Should Minors Transition?
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0:00 intro
0:31 Transitioning has become a social media trend
10:08 Gender dysphoria is a mental illness
23:05 The medical community is pushing gender transitions for financial gain
32:09 Schools should include trans conversation in sex ed
41:30 Minors are capable of making life-altering decisions
50:22 Minors should be allowed to medically transition
54:15 Final decision - Розваги
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Thanks for watching ya’ll it was a pleasure hosting the UNDECIDED series. How I like to think of the UNDECIDED group is potentially many of you watching and in the comment section. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Absolutely glad to see you as the host/moderator! Well-deserved Gen 👏
Undecided people are just allowing evil to happen
BRO CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! Debate are always better with a moderator in the middle!
I did not expect this collaboration, but I think it worked out well!
Was a pleasure to meet you!
I used to like when Jubilee would provide a 'fact check' when people throw out random statistics/facts. If you could bring that back in the future, it would help your content a lot!
Yess they need to do this! It’d get rid of any “facts” that were thrown out during the debate that us, the viewers, could believe as true and lead to even more misinformation.
To be honest, I'm disappointed that they didn't point out the following two things:
1. That the American Psychiatric Association (which publishes the now-aging DSM-5) no longer considers being transgender to be a mental disorder. They just list 'gender dysphoria' which they define as "clinically significant distress or impairment *related to* gender incongruence" (i.e. not the gender incongruence itself, since they recognize that not all trans people live with dysphoria). Similarly, the World Health Organization (which published the 11th edition of the International Classification of Diseases in 2022) no longer considers 'gender incongruence' to be a mental disorder, point blank.
2. That post-mortem and in-vivo studies have consistently found (and are still finding) that the brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with than the brains of the gender they were assigned at birth. This is true even in trans people who have *yet* to undergo any pharmaceuticals or other medical procedures. The understanding here is that one's prenatally-established "brain sex" (which can be different from one's "corporeal sex", since they are hit by sëx hormones at different times during a pregnancy) is what is also also informing one's gender identity.
@@marmar90000 1. The APA stated plainly that they reclassified in order to reduce stigma. It's still treated like any other mental disorder with clinical intervention. This was a political act by the APA and I've researched this thoroughly.
2. Give me the DOI of one study that claims this. I've reviewed hundreds of studies and none of them have stated "brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with".
In fact the most recent study I reviewed on this concluded a "unique brain phenotype". i.e. specific parts of brain anatomy, some yes, some no. And it's all a nothingburger anyway as that's not a diagnostic criteria, and "trans" is an umbrella term and not the same as suffering from GD.
Nah, I’d rather fact check it myself and not depend on this channel.
Yet the middle liberal doesn't car about facts just feelings 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sorry but Kiara was definitely not “undecided” she had a huge liberal bias coming into this 😂
Agree 100%. She should be wearing blue and sitting with the other liberals lol.
Ikr. "I can't agree because someone close to me is trans" is not an argument
@@patricialin9045 Deep down, "I cannot hurt the feelings of my trans friend, so I will remain liberal on this"...
Yeah that was some bull
Exactly
I love how they bipped Dylan Mulvaney's name, until they suddenly didn't 🤣
Omfg I thought they were speaking on Jazz Jennings. The child that started their medical transition at 7
@@emg.9246 that’s absolutely not true, no one starts medically transitioning at 7, there’s no reason to intervene medically at that age. It’s only when puberty begins that medical intervention becomes necessary.
@@zoeybarter3246 perhaps they meant pubity blockers? This is a form of intervention that is intended at the age of pubity starting or before it. Girls can easily begin menstruations at 8/9
Who is that why would they beep that
Dylan won woman of the year and I don’t know why they would bleep Dylan’s name out. I’m avoiding pronouns because to me it seems like this is Dylan’s latest desperate ploy to get clout. He has a history of humiliating and degrading himself for attention.
That girl with glasses is NOT undecided😭😭😭
Literally
When she said "he" instead of "she" I was dyingggg 😭😭
She is correct not undecided
@@user-tp4bo8iu7p pre: argument
Completely agree, it was and unfair study.
Shout out to the FIRST Jubilee moderator that truly did an amazing job moderating and defending all people answering. Bring this guy on a lot more please
He has his own UA-cam channel and he is always very unbiased. I love his videos for that!
He was excellent and he kept the conversation on track. 👍
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
@@alrightari8401fr!! I was so surprised this episode I hope they keep doing this
Yes he was the best I’ve seen so far!
They should call doctors, surgeons, psychatrist for this. We wanna hear their views!
That might affect their jobs tho
Majority of the medical community and the top of the top in their fields tend to not be conservative side, considering the conservatives only have misinformation as their information. Conservative side shouldn't have much of a say due to their lack of knowledge
@@lilducko freedom of speech really doesn’t exist
They cant because the conservative oens if they were honest theyd lose thier jobs ....
Jubilee asking experts? Hahahaa😂😂😂😂!
If there’s going to be an “undecided” group, there shouldn’t be any personal biases; the girl whose cousin is trans and is very important to her, I wouldn’t consider her undecided.
Exactly
My thought exactly, she was never undecided and she was trying to correct the conservative is evidence that she was not there to form an opinion. Don't forget she self identified as Queer in the video, sorry but thats a bias...
She’s been groomed
It’s impossible to have a group without personal biases unless you wanna have ai be the undecided group lil bro
Sara is trans herself yet still conservative. Trans people (and anyone related to a trans person) can still be liberal or conservative.
I don’t think it should automatically be separated into liberal vs conservative, it’s an unnecessary divide when there are people all over the political spectrum who agree or disagree on this topic.
ikr. I don't even know what exactly the undecided people are choosing sides on in the end
I was thinking the same thing! They need to stop doing the liberals vs conservative in these debates because it takes away from the topic of discussion. It should be separated between agree vs disagree
Agreed! This just adds more fuel to the “political inaccuracy” fire we’ve been seeing lately.
Yes! I’m a liberal who doesn’t believe that minors should transition medically! I think if a minor thinks they’re trans they should try to dress up as the other gender, change their pronouns, and see how they feel about changing their gender and then decide as adults if that works out
@@smileyface8057 that is literally what transitioning is for kids though. They are not eligible for a sex change surgeries until they are 16/18. Everyone agrees that kids shouldn't get bottom surgery, and no one is advocating to change that
wait props for them actually being told to wear colors for once, this makes it so much easier LOL
Yes, except I would prefer if they did not choose blue / red (liberal / conservative), even if it's much more likely to have their politics align with the side on the topic, we may have some for whom it does not apply : )
This kind of concept can only work with few things as liberals and conservatives already have a well known and picked color but there’s not colors for things like flat earthers vs scientists etc
They can define what the colors indicate at the start of the video@@beyondthisnormalrealm
@@antonyshadowbanned agreed, maybe to fit the format have it be like black on one side then white on the other side then it be gray in the middle.
@@antonyshadowbannedI agree
BRO WHAT? Kiara seriously did not come on here undecided. She literally just states that she couldn’t go to the conservative side in order to not offend her trans cousin. Do not bring her back.
Evelyn wasn't undecided either. She went to conservative on all but one occasions.
Her point for the final decision didn't make sense at all, like where are your points? Lol
@@Random-sk6hmI agree
That’s Al I kept hearing… She annoyed the fck outa me.
@@Random-sk6hmYou’re incorrect. She remained undecided and also chose liberal in two separate instances.
"you can talk about statistics and facts all day but i dont care" ......and there we have it folks...feelings over facts
The bio-Anthropology is what really hit me when she says "assumed gender" smh... At this point the whole trans movement isn't going to stop by any means necessary to facts and concrete evidence at all, which makes a big huge difference at actual evidential proof to biology and any scientific evidential physical proof that can prove them wrong. They just want to try their best to manipulate anything to prove a mental crisis of dysphoria which has nothing to do with reality whatsoever
conservatives never listen to stats and facts
the girl with the glasses was never undecided she knew which side she was gonna go on each time 😭 next time make sure everyone is open minded and doesn’t just agree with one side
exactly
Typical conservative comment.
"OMG 1 person choose liberal over conservative, even though she went undecided once and conservative once, and 2 went conservative!!!11!!! How in the world can't everyone be conservative1!!!11"
@@GohanSSJZ I am not conservative, I use to be 100% liberal now I’m moderate. Please stop speaking when u don’t even know me ✋😂
to be fair, she was just following logic, basic facts, and reality
@@sknight8621well it’s kind of fallacious of you to assume u know what she based her decisions on when u aren’t inside her mind. whether u agree or not, she admit she has someone close to her who is trans and that is definitely going to sway her opinions.
As a detrans teen I honestly don't even know how this is a question anymore at this point. Children cannot consent.
im trans and children should not have medical transitions. only social.
@@inspiwo I agree with you fully. Present how you want, express yourself in whatever way makes you happy, go by a different name, fine. That's all healthy experimentation. But medically transitioning crosses the line big time.
Children cannot consent, but they can still get the medication that they need. Transition is the medication that some children need.
@@justsomerandomname2067 As someone who has lived with clinical, diagnosed gender dysphoria for the past 4 years, it is not the medication that CHILDREN need. Absolutely not. DBT, CBT, and many other psychotherapies have been proven to significantly improve and treat GD. It is actually the recommended treatment for juvenile GD, not medicalization.
@@karen5916 i think that we should advocate for a system that will try therapy and antidepressants first. And if that doesnt help, and the childs symptoms fit the GD diagnostic criteria better than any other mental illness, then the child should be given the option of HRT and/or blockers if they have reached puberty (with the advice and supervision of doctors ofc)
Sara and Arthur are both conservatives, but are still clearly different on exactly what their opinions of trans people are. A debate between the two would be killer
I would agree to that.
nah. there is nothing positive to gain from listening to dirt like Arthur. the only thing that leads to is brain rott.
Arthur does not represent true conservatives like me and Sara
@@alyssamckenzie7714 how do you define a true conservative?
@@jurgnobs1308pee pee caca
How TF is this even a question to be asked?! People have lost their minds.
thanks!
chill lmao. wait till you find out minors have been having non gender related plastic surgery for YEARS now 🤯🤯🤯
@@juju-kn6rx so that means that its okay? what kind of logic is this
@@juju-kn6rx wtf? Plastic surgery for minors, what is that South Korea or US?
Yes, they have. The world is facing a mental health crisis
Antidepressants will never work unless you do. I was on them for years. Nothing changed. Ever. Until I changed what I was doing in my life and finding what made me happy outside of abusing drugs. Getting my ADHD/OCD addressed. Going to therapy, work, and doing the things that made me happy. Is how I got happy.
But what workes for you doesn't work for everyone. Some people do experience benefits from anti-depressants
@@artandme_ Research doesn't lie, especially the antidepresant research. Many showing less than 50% efficasy. Which in the pharma industry is considered to be a failure. Yet they cost fractions of pennies to manufacture and when people try to quit they have horrible side effects. Not trying to snare anyone off of them, but I was on them and it helped nothing. Im happier then ever off of them. I had to make real life changes. Hoping some clinically ineffective pill to change my socioeconomic circumstances is absolutely ridiculous.
the point of antidepressants is by defintion to reduce depression on their own. if they aren't doing that then you should stop taking them
They work for some people but not for others
@@sd7785 They didnt work for me... you have to work for yourself. They didn't do anything for me. But I wasn't waiting around doing nothing but hoping these placebos will change your life. Only you can.
This is probably the BEST jubilee moderator I’ve ever seen! He needs to do them all
This format is cool
That’s because he’s not from Jubilee. He has a yt channel called GEN
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
Agreed, I wish they didn't chop it up SO heavily though, and that both sides were more educated on the opposing side's opinions.
@@GENyou a G
@@kindauncool it's only 50 minutes and so many questions to go through tho
I wish we knew more about how the undecided group was chosen
same
same
Same here. I am not really sure how Kiara is undecided and was selected as part of the undecided group. Throughout watching I felt like she already had her view formed and wanted to argue with the Conservative side rather than take in new arguments. Personally, the undecided group should be individuals who are politically neutral or central. It makes more sense that way.
Exactly! I was going to say! After the embarrassing mess that was Blossom/NB chaos where the trans conservatives wiped the floor with the liberals by using logic, seems like an interesting time to insert a new formula that can soften the logic.
@@ysq724yalmost as if... they had... an agenda. *gasp*
the problem with this whole discussion is that there is no certainty that they arent just lying or basing their opinion on false information they just accepted because of their bias.
I’m someone who socially transitioned at 15, medically at 18. The issue is so complex, and unfortunately we don’t have the data to fully support either side. That being said, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a social transition. But ultimately, this should be looked at on a case by case basis. Every individual is different and varies in the severity of their dysphoria and how they cope with it.
If one side believes in difference between sex and gender and the other side doesn't, I feel like there's hardly a possibility for middle ground
There isn't. It's one of the either
That's the biggest problem with the trans issue. One side of the issue believes that gender is separate from biological sex, and the other believes that they both coexist.
You can't really come to a middleground when the two sides are operating on a completely different foundation.
It's not really talking about sex vs. Gender, most of this is about minors transitioning. Most people agree that adults have free reign to do what they want with their body as long as they aren't hurting someone else
It's not the subject of the discussion, but it's an unavoidable part of the conversation @@bn09185
Ya… we need to clearly define terminology before we can even have this discussion
Dang, Evelyne is so intelligent and well-spoken! Smarter than most adults I’ve met.
Yeah way more informed and collected regarding her thoughts
Yes but not on every topic
@@Lauwit no one on the planet is on every topic
Although I think the undecided group wasn’t 100% undecided, putting this group and a moderator in the vids made these a lot better to watch
Please bring out more fact-checking Moderators to the mix. You can't just have people spout out complete lies in a debate like this, and not have it adressed...
One person was claiming trans people get worse health and mental issues after transitioning, and cited a study made in denmark of the same year. However, that's not what the study was about at all. It simply compared mental health between any transitioning trans person to CIS people. All the study is about and found out, is that trans people still overall face discrimination and higher rates of depression than the average population, but not at all transitioning making your mental health worse...
Yeah it’s disgusting how he uses these studies in bad faith.
"CIS people" you mean normal people?
@@bananaleaf5899Trans people are not necessarily abnormal, and being cis and being normal are not mutually exclusive.
The moderator did wonderful in this video. Not interrupting and forcing the members to stop the topic due to not reaching a middle ground. Please keep this guy around, his channel just received a new subscriber!
Thank you so much! Apppreciate you watching
@@GEN you the goat 🐐 I pray for your further success and blessings. You work hard at what you do and it can't be easy processing both sides as well as you do. I hope one day I see you doing journalism in my later years telling my kids that you've been legit since day one.
Yes best thus far, I like the format too
@@GEN Incredible job at judicious and well-researched moderation :)
It was funny when it started to get heated and everyone was raising their voice then the host said “okay, let’s go to the panel.” Lol well done host
Bringing Sara for this Middle Ground is such a smart decision. She was the most grounded in the previous Trans Conservative vs Trans Liberals discussion.
Nobody is questioning the huge wave of dudes like "Sara" who are ex military who have decided to suddenly transition.
What are you questioning?
I agree. She came with facts. Not feelings.
Sara is awesome.
I liked her too
9:59 why was bro most embarrassed that he deadnamed X as Twitter
lmaoo literally
Why is no one talking about Christian?! He was so bright and intelligent and genuinely open to the truth on both sides
Kiara clearly wasn't undecided. She had a side and came on the show to support it till the end. That being said, I don't think because one changed sides midway meant their entire view had changed midway, but rather that on that particular issue they leaned more towards one to the other
fr
I think Kiara was fine
@@cinder7258They were supposed to be undecided on the topic and asked who they agreed with after the conversation. She clearly had a liberal bias. She even mentioned that she agreed with the liberal side because she has a trans friend.
that was my worry going in for this concept ... that most people would already come in with their own biases from experiences and whatever media they consume. it'll be very difficult to find someone who is truly unbiased and undecided...
No sh1t. You're dealing with real people, not mindless drones. You're upset because you haven't found someone who will magically fall for the debate bullsh1t. Go cry
In what world is Kiara "Undecided"? She has strong personal opinions about the subject as she says her friend is Trans. Quit trolling
Damn lmao
I agree, the only undecided one in my mind is the guy in the white
Well I’m assuming she was undecided on whether minors should transition rather than trans existence/treatment
Probably just undecided on whether minors should medically transition. But who knows if they came up with the title after it was filmed?
Yes however they did say that there something like part of the comments section sure they can have their own bias but they're not decided in one side entirely also they are technically undecided cause the decided team influences their opinion
Tammys kids need to be saved
Arthur looks like eustace from courage the cowardly dog
shoutout to Sara for sitting on the conservative side and speaking to the reality of the situation at hand while still remaining kind, empathetic, and compassionate.
Agreed
fr at least she wasnt BLATANTLY BEING RUDE like arthur
yeah but how are you transgender and standing with people who are downplaying and talking crap about your whole identity lmao weird.@@inspiwo
i think she detransitioned@@MsRuntz
@@MsRuntz nobody does that get out of your echo chamber
Saying gender dysphoria is a mental disorder should not be considered bad, as it is not a judgment, it is merely stating a fact. It's the same as saying people with OCD or depression or anxiety have a mental disorder, there's nothing wrong with having these illnesses. Anyone who suffer from these mental illnesses deserve treatment and care and understanding.
i agree with u but like the 2 conservative guys just kept trying to act like trans people don’t exist in front of all these trans people and kept acting like as if they went through gender dysphoria and knew exactly what can cure it. their idea of a “mental disorder” is just them saying that a couple therapy sessions can heal it and all of trans ppl transitioned as a “trend” . i think that’s why the other side disagreed. but i mean sara was the only respectful one from the conservatives and idk why would they bring those totally transphobic guys into a discussion like that.
@@ali_1307he’s is not transphobic - he knows transpeople physically exist. He doesn’t agree with your new definitions of things. Transpeople are humans, they exist. They believe to be in the wrong body. they exist. He disagrees with the treatment and the assumptions made based on those facts.
He is not afraid ( phobic ) of transpeople. He doesn’t hate them, he thinks they are mistaken about the treatment options and their beliefs.
The sentence “ he doesn’t believe they exist” is so weird
@@janakugel3456 idk if u exactly know what transphobia means , it’s not ‘afraid’ , it’s the hate and the unacceptance of transgenderism. and by the sentence “he thinks trans ppl don’t exist” i mean that he thinks that gender dysphoria and trans ppls’ journey is a delusion and that nothing like that rlly exists naturally, it’s just a trend. that’s what i mean.
@@ali_1307eh you can heavily depate what "transphobic" is. Does only hating on trans people mean you're transphobic? Or is having a different opinion about the gender social concept as a whole, while leaving trans people alone transphobic as well?
I personally find it problematic if people consider the second option transphobic as well, as it hinders any development in those specific fields. Remember only because people criticized the idea of the existence of 2 genders did we get to today. That's why I think constructive criticism to anything is not wrong.
If people can’t differentiate between sex and gender, it’s not worth debating.
It’s hard to debate someone who doesn’t understand what a disorder or mental illness is
@@ryanthomas9306 exactly like you.
It's because there is a fundamental disagreement on it. It's not a consensus that they are separate. One side fundamentally disagrees with that.
Since when did sex and gender mean something different? That's absolutely hilarious that we make these things up then live by them like gospel.
It's because that's also opinion based
Evelyne is absolutely amazing. I hope she goes far in life.
Arthurs pretty cool too. I love how he just states it how it is, and seems very passionate about what he talks about
@@zeldeure1765 Snowflakes get hurt by him lmao
Unfortunately the problem with this is that the undecided group wasn't really undecided. It's not your fault though. Finding people that haven't thought at all about these widespread societal battleground issues would be really difficult.
Yeah I feel like they chose very passionate individuals for the undecided group, which is fine considering it's probably hard to get applicants or volunteers that aren't already well versed, but I feel like I expected them to just be average Joes, and I feel like that would make for a better environment. If we got average people to decide, they wouldn't have as many biases like the girl that had a trans friend.
i think they were undecided about whether minors can transition or no.
@@itsLantikthey could do a social media check on future undecided participants, if they look truly unrelated to the topic and has no takes they would be better.
Agreed. I really liked the discussion this episode but the undecided group wasn't needed nor added much in my opinion. They just need to do middle ground with ACTUAL moderation like Gen did here.
It's not very difficult to use a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel in a debate about trans/gender politics. It's really not.
I like this format with the undecided group. It really helped to have a logical third party who was able to poke holes in the other groups arguments.
And it was great to have an actual moderator that didn't favor a certain bias
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
It would've been better to have three undecided though. They only had two, because one of them was very much decided.
@@lilmissmonsterrryup it’s clear the liberal girl already had her mind set
@@lilmissmonsterrrI agree with you there, we truly needed an actual 3 person group that is undecided. Hopefully next time, there will really be a full unbiased side.
Kiara is not undecided she is pretty liberal
Arthur is so disrespectful, showing your annoyance is so immature. However the most annoying thing is that he treats any opinion as false
thing is that he is passionate and does care about others as far as I can see in the video
Ita annoying asf when ppl try to pass off feelings as facts. Yes an opinion can be false. Facts are never false. And it’s a biological fact that even with medical transition it doesn’t change the s3x you were born as at birth🤷🏼♀️
@@emg.9246 yes, thank you for pointing that out. now that we've covered something that everyone knows.... how do we ACTUALLY deal with the issue of gender dysphoria in an effective way? maybe with a method that has been shown to work through statistics and fact, such as letting people transition, since i have a feeling that just yelling "you can never change your biological sex at birth!" into their ears won't help all too much
@@emg.9246no trans person is denying their sex at birth. if anything theyre hyper aware of it. but with years of transition it'd be ridiculous to call them by their birth sex
@@mirmir0003agreed. Conservatives talk as if they decide which pronounce to use based on individuals’ bone structure and chromosomes. Let’s show them pics of trans people (especially those who “pass” as cis.)
find me a trans person with XY chromosomes then male pronouns might fit@@TK-pv4lh
Gen was an excellent choice as moderator. So nice to have the conversation remain on topic and in control. A lot more information was shared in this format.
Thank you appreciate you watching!!
That one "undecided" lady definitely came in decided. She knew people, had personal stories, etc
Typical of leftists. Deception and dishonesty.
💯
As always.
That is facts, I was like "shes not undecided lol"
The fact that we are even having these conversations on a serious level is extremely disturbing .
its obvious what the end goal is this... if a kid can consent to a "sex change" then they would be able to consent to just sex... thats the end goal of these lunatics
I really enjoy having the undecided individuals and a moderator! I think it adds a lot to the discussion
I agree
Evelyne is wise beyond her years. I'm genuinely impressed by her.
👏🏿👏🏿😎
The moderator did a much better job at this then they did at the Trans Liberal Vs Trans Conservatives Debate despite both debates being filmed on the same day.
True but that’s because it’s not the same one and GEN doesn’t work for Jubilee
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
@@tomatotoes6436Should do this more often, have, more people like Gen as moderators.
because that moderator had an obvious anti-conservative bias and it showed even though the conservatives slayed the debate regardless of their attempts at being silenced.
@@barbrothers2 Yeah, that Indian woman is hella racist against whites and conservatives. It is kinda wild to see how racist many western born people of Asian heritage are towards white while ironically exclusively dating them. It really shows how being trans and racist are social contagions and trends of the times.
That bald guy looks angry at all times
He's sitting next to a pervert I would be too
Yeah absolutely, he is overly emotional
This is a great new way of having these kinds of discussions. I love the new format, but I do think the producer should not be onset, but may say comments, like, could you guys discuss this or could you explain this but behind the set I think that gives more of a section off field that they’re allowed to discuss And not get influenced if that makes sense
Kiara was not undecided. She clearly had a bias and was annoying to have on the panel. She was going off pure emotion.
she literally went to the conservative once and decided as well...did you watch the video or just the first 5 minutes? you wont talk about the other girl who went to the conservative side all but once...don't be a hypocrite
@@snailcheeseyoutube Yeah, I just watched five minutes (insert eye roll) . The other girl had logic and reasoning behind her decisions while Kiara used primarily emotions. Kiara even said she knows someone who is trans, which clearly demonstrated her bias. She couldn’t even repeat talking points correctly. Stop being ignorant.
Why is it wrong to go off emotion though? It's a fact that human emotions influence decisions. Also you're never gonna get a purely neutral person on one of these panels no matter what.
@@Cutie..Patootie If all decision went based off emotion* the world would have ended, logic is needed. This is why you can request the court to change your judge if they are just being emotional or impartial towards you.
Edit put logic instead of emotion.
It's funny how you call out other people's bias then clearly expose yours, again I looked at this video and analyzed both sides. The liberal side definitely could've cited accurate facts and it costed them the argument not to do so, as much as it may suck to realize this transitioning does work (minors can't physically transition in the U.S) look up facts..they just postpone puberty they can choose to transition once they're 18
Kiara is literally the liberal stereotype how is that undecided?
Yeah her mind was already made up. She did switch to the middle on sex ed, but I think that was more performative
I’m pretty liberal but I was undecided. Being liberal doesn’t mean you automatically believe minors should be allowed to transition?
@@lanam6459^
@@lanam6459 where did you land on the topics then? because if you play the pronoun game then we can likely predict where you stand with a high probability of success.
@@ryanrogers8631 99.9% probability
I really like how you had each side wear a certain color. This made it so much essier to keeo track of who is who... which is soetimes difficult on other episodes. Please do this more!
And it doesnt need to red vs blue. Make it any color.
Gen is the perefct moderator! truly unopinionated.
Sara was definitely the best debater. She didn't get emotional or judgmental, she didn't bring religion into it, and even though she had plenty of personal experience, she relied on studies and data to support her points. She also didn't make any snide remarks or roll her eyes or make faces, which are annoying and distracting. And from what I've seen of her in previous debates, she seems to be extremely knowledgable and would be the person I trust the most. THANK YOU SARA (and thank you for your service)
Sara rocks, always a class act.
LOSER! tomato tomato tomato !
I think you should bring religion to this
Why do you think religion shouldn’t be brought up in this? I’m geniunely curious as I can’t see that standpoint
yea idk, religion as a big take on this@@Zuruckmann
you can be conservative or liberal, disagree or agree, but nothing absolves you from being respectful.
So true
Conservatives and liberals would physically attack eachother without a moderator.
They simply cannot be in the same room together.
@@_CetarialIt depends on the person tbh, there are extremes on both sides and even then there are people cable of not getting too emotional about the issues.
Arthur apparently doesn’t know that
Yes but liberals think respect = compelled speech and conservatives think respect = free speech.
PLEASE do more of these. I love them.
The fact this is even a debate tells you where we are as humans in this country
exactly
I feel like both sides can say this
You guys should add a fact checker to each episode that red, green or yellow flags any statements that are claimed to be 'citations'
If I remember correctly the swedish studies the guy in glasses cited are the ones usually used by conservatives in a disingenuous manner. The studies did research on trans kids who experienced bullying due to transitioning. The study AIMED to show that social acceptance is a strong variable in the mental health of trans individuals. Though sadly, I don't imagine Jubilee could cover all this in a tiny box on the corner of the screen
No, it works better without editorialiizing, and the idea that a fact checker is actually neutral is just hilariously wrong.
@@dagnurd and yet there are whole organizations that fact check quite well - no one is completely neutral but people can get pretty damn close.
@@eluna34 These whole "organizations" are partisan hacks. Their modus operandus is: presidential candidate Xclaims, "I walk my dog most days"; "fact-checking" organization F, that is hostile to X, responds, "X has never walked their dog on a Sunday. Verdict: mostly false".
That would raise the question, who would be the arbiter of truth. Who would fact check the fact checker?
Socially yes, medically no
Simple to the point and accurate
Exactly what I think
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No for both
I really love how they added a few undecided people & let them make their final decision after the debate!
Yaaaas Sara! Preach!
Jubilee should permanently hire Gen for hosting, he did an awesome job.
Liberal, conservative, center, none- we can all agree the last Jubilee was an embarrassment and an example to how NOT to host a debate.
THIS however, excellently done. GEN did a great job as a mediator and both sides had their time, excellent points and above all maturity
What was the last one about?
@@cinnamondan4984 I think it was the one with Blair White and the other transgender people. Trans conservatives vs Trans liberals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
@@snakesghost7817yep the trans liberals were literally the worst
@@snakesghost7817 I saw clips. That was crazy. I see you like MGS from you name. Snatcher and Policenaughts are worth a look.
@@cinnamondan4984 Thanks, will check it out
States with no sex ed in school statistically have the highest rates of teen pregnancy
I love Jubilee for topics like this and I believe that a teenager should go through a thoroughly process before they transition but to each his own.
Jubilee, at least, opens the door to conversation vs. just arguing or demonizing the other side.
A few questions for you. If you had a teenage friend who wanted to transition, you supported them, and they came to regret it, terribly, many years later, what would you say to them? Should they have waited until adulthood when their brain was more fully developed and the stresses of adolescence were reduced? Do you really support someone into believing they can change into something that they will never truly be? Put another way, what if your friend wanted to transition into an animal? Or a male and female with both genitalia? Where do you draw the line and finally say that you are simply your biological sex and you can be as feminine or masculine as you want to be? Why can’t support be in NOT changing into something you are not? The regret of those who transitioned is a huge crash back to reality because these tormented souls realize that transitioning will never alter their DNA. Yet, we keep propagating the lie like these people can truly be changed. We seem to care way more about being viewed as empathetic than doing what is actually best for the patient long term….years down the road.
I like the concept of undecided, but the process of choosing who is undecided needs improvement. Kiara seemed to have a bias.
Yep
We all have biases even if we don’t have a set opinion on certain things, it’s impossible to find a completely unbiased individual.
Yeah. We might need lighter or less talked about topics for it to truly set itself apart from middle ground
@@nevadag606 it's posible to find someone without a trans relative....
Kiara definitely was undecided on the trans issue 😂
There is a difference between socially and medically transitioning, just clearing some things up ☺
But both of them are a form of child abuse.
Both of them are wrong
@@ArthurCSchaperso kids who social transition on their own are abusing themselves? give me a break
@@bluemist3115 Yes, they are, and you are celebrating it, which is disgusting.
@@ArthurCSchaper exploring clothes and your identity is normal at high-school also people who social transition can still be in the closet with their parents. you're disgusting for thinking wearing a piece of clothes and changing a few words is shattering your world.they can decide if it's nor for them it isn't permanent.
Evelyne is well spoken , she is outstanding.
Minors should be supervised. They're still quite young to be making such big decisions without being first consulted. They can't be rushing into things knowing that they will potentially regret it later.
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PREACH (im trans)
Yes exactly.
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Oh hi barbie
I’m so glad they had Gen as the host, he deserves it so much!
He did amazing. He remained unbias
He was amazing
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
@@GEN big fan bro
yes it was such a great surprise
The bald guy was pissing me off so much bc he brought up every point with anger like bro pipe down
Thank you!😂
@@ArthurCSchaper why u stalkin comments 7 months later u irrelevant bum
I have some really taboo beliefs about the world. I also have a child. I've never considered forcing my opinion/beliefs onto my kid. I've talked about my views, but it's always been for the purpose of creating dialog and breeding question-asking. so, I don't know if the idea a child would be swayed by a parent's views is something that requires heavy consideration.
The last trans discussion was a hot mess. Jubilee did not fail to disappoint with this new format of middle ground. The moderator was amazing, unbiased, and I like how he challenged both sides to expand on their points and fill the holes in their reasoning.
“did not fail to disappoint” doesn’t make sense with the rest of your comment. Think about it
@@0v3rgr0wn I think they meant to say ''did not disappoint'' lol
Lol "did not fail to disappoint"
erm ackshually@@0v3rgr0wn
Jubilee never fails to disappoint! :D
I think every normal person should understand that kids can't make such drastic choices at a young age.
Sich? Wtf is sich? You are sich a clown. There is no sich thing as sich. It's such. Guys we got clown over here.
Does that include being too young to know that they're Heterosexual or Christian?
They can know it but the shouldn't be able to sign for example a contract that they will be and live that way for the rest of their lifes
@@amischneider6395 If y'all actually cared about it that much than you would be out there trying to get ALL surgeries banned for minors.
@@ethandollarhide7943 The difference is that you can one day decide that you no longer want to be Christian. You can do it instantly actually. You can also decide your sexuality whenever you want. But you cannot change your hormones and build back years of physical development whenever you want, that takes a very long time to change if it is even possible. Not mad at you btw, but your argument does not hold up.
Awesome video, best moderation I've seen come from Jubilee, and, despite a few hiccups, the video was fair to display everyone's belief and views. I think there could've been someone better to have then Kiara just because I see a lot of biases coming from her that made it seem like she knew what side she'll go to before the video started
Bro these liberals irk me. Listening to them talk is literal insanity. The conservatives are at least bringing up studies and surveys done from all over and these libbies are just talking about “I feel this, I feel that.” Bro wtf
I'd rather have trans people talking about their own experiences than bigots citing pseudo scientific studies
Hats off to Evelyne who was actually there to learn and be objective, while asking real questions not based on feelings.
Feelings are also important to make important decisions. It's what makes us human. And rationality is not the only path for truth. Stop demonizing emotions because they are a fundamental part of who we are and the human experience, and they guide us in important instances of our lives.
@@ROEnotEORNo one demonized feelings?? Lmao calm down keyboard warrior
@@gobsmr the moment you state that "learning and being objective" implicates not considering or basing your arguments on feelings, yes, you're demonizing them.
You can't understand the trans issue without taking into account feelings. It's a fundamental aspect to experience and consider in order to be "objetive" and actually learn.
@@ROEnotEOR Nah dude. That’s not objectivism then.
@@gobsmr i will never understand this arguement. feelings matter. if feelings didnt matter, then a lot of terrible, horrible things would be ok bc feelings dont matter. (like bullying or catcalling)
Although the "undecided group" was interesting to have, they were not "undecided", but rather already had a certain opinion on the topics. I think it would be better to have people within the "undecided group" that only evaluate what they've heard without regarding their own arguments and opinions.
That's very difficult to not consider your current views in this kind of discussion
They just needed to do a better job at vetting for people who are actually pretty close to neutral in their opinions on the subject.
Yes, if would've been much better if the undecided folks were actually undecided 🤪
The only one who felt truly undecided and neutral was the guy. He seemed like he was in a position of taking in both sides fairly and analyzing them with somewhat unbiased logic.
@@stinky9067it's not very difficult to choose a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel on trans/gender politics.
@@lilmissmonsterrr yes but that's not what they are saying, everyone has a bias to one side or the other.
That undecided girl that immediately when to the liberal side was absolutely never undecided. She knew exactly where she stood before hand.
How is homosexuality an unhealthy behavior? 17:00
It’s gay
Evelyn’s so mature and eloquent for her age! I was shocked was 17!
She is like above and beyond smart.
Like most 17 year olds
Wouldn't go there
She seems autistic to me, I’m wondering if anyone else was picking up on that?
She just speaks well, she clearly doesn’t actually understand the issue & this “debate” certainly did her no favours in that regard.
Kiara was never undecided
Evelyne was truly undecided
Christian was truly undecided
Edit: Everyone trying to assume my bias/opinion from just this comment shows that discourse in this country is fu**ed. I made a comment and it was mostly accurate, it was so Jubilee maybe becomes aware to pick truly nuanced people.
Kind of funny that the only people you thought were unbiased were the exact two people who had picked the conservative side in the end. Sounds like you were never undecided yourself.
@@RS-xb9loExcept that they were only conservative on the whole basis of transitioning minors. They never discussed other views which they can identity more liberal with. Also, Kiara was clearly heavily staying on the liberal spectrum of each questions while the other two switched sides every question. I don’t see how you can’t perceive that. Way to show your bias, congratulations.
@@JesusisKing77_7 There's a difference between completely undecided and already having a bit of an idea on their thoughts on the matter. If you're looking for a show which throws in people who don't even understand the situation, then this is not it, and you won't find it, either. I already knew who out of the undecided would be on which side in the end based on the very first discussion, it wasn't that hard to see that they already had an ounce of a viewpoint on this matter.
This original comment just shows their own bias, because Kiara did in fact move to the conservative side for one of the discussions, maybe if you paid attention you would've realized that she moved around across the spectrum just like the other two. Every single undecided already had biases, you can't get rid of that when going into any discussion on anything.
@@RS-xb9lo key word: “heavily.” Please be better at making distinctions instead of stating that I didn’t pay attention.
@@JesusisKing77_7exactly. And it wasn’t only evident in the switching of sides but their actual positions/points. They provided balanced viewpoints that neither the conservatives nor the liberals had mentioned. That shows they were true free thinkers.
One thing people need to bring up in these conversations more. Whenever someone mentions their own transition and that it was very long with lots of hurdles... ASK THEM what year they started their transition. The affirmation model only started in 2012 and only started becoming streamlined as it is now across the US back around 2018-2019
why is that one girl on undecided when she so clearly has a bias
Kiara being undecided is hilarious 😂
Just like that other girl pretending she's undecided when she's clearly a conservative
@@Random-sk6hmthe girl-guy?
She’s undecided, but midway through is playing advocate for someone she knows? Like come on, stand for your values.
@@chillwill12 ???
Evelyn is so bright & outstanding. Very impressed by her especially with the fact that she’s only 17.
She so pretty
I hope collage doesn’t brainwash her
@@BobRoss-vz4it Maybe you need to attend college if you can't even spell it correctly
@@Random-sk6hm we got a grammar national socialist here 😂
@@leanzagilbert6933 I'm not American but I appreciate you trying 😂
Certain individuals aside I think I agree that these people had more in common than they realised. I am all for gender affirmation but also it's important to consider the age range. Children below 16 should not be allowed to have physical procedures done to them but at the same time their identity should be respected by by other types of affirmations like using proper pronouns and letting them dress and present themselves the way they want.
There’s no reason not to put a trans kid on puberty blockers. They’re entirely reversible, trans kids are not given cross sex hormones until they are at least 16.
that's the standard transition process
Best Jubilee host BY FAR!!! Amazing job!
i wish you guys would do a "fact check" with each statement
Yea
It can get a little iffy doing that. Probably best to allow the speakers to provide them with sources which then they list or edit into the video.
Facts can still be interpreted in different ways. Jubilee doesn't want to take one side and say one side is factual and one isn't. Theres often nuance in the middle.For example, if black men are arrested at a higher rate than white men that could be 100% fact, but does that mean it is 100% fact the reason is racism, no. If that were true then you could relate the fact that men are arrested at a higher rate than women, but that would mean the only reason could be that police are also sexist.
the lefts entire argument would be destroyed if that was the case.
It wouldn’t matter who are the fact checkers?
As a queer person, this topic getting real tiring ... minors should only consent when THEY ARE OF AGE. They need to make an informed choice. They can always medically transition after 18.
They don't want to go thru puberty of their born gender is what it is but they should because alot of them will grow out of it and accept themselves
Yes!
Yes!
I agree
Nah dog if a medical and psychiatric doctor says it’s okay then it’s okay they’re professionals 👍
A little ironic how they claim they "recognize the humanity behind the pronoun" even though they disregard basic human anatomy.
How do they disregard basic human anatomy? No one denies that trans people are born a certain way. We just don't think they should be forced to live in a body they don't feel like themselves in
@@denzellmovieslook up “kindergarden coo boys have penises girls have vaginas”
The moderator did an amazing job at keeping control.
Minors are still growing and developing every day. Im pretty independent about my beliefs and ideologies, but i think its dangerous to let children to transition at such a young age because that could mess with their anatomy in their early adult life. If a minor feels more like this or that, then they can feel that way, but i dont think they should get any procedures or surgeries done until they become more mature or an adequate adult age (18+)
Agreed!
They don’t though, minors transitioning is limited to name, pronouns and dress, and well as possibly puberty blockers with the supervision of a doctor. On rare occasions you might get a breast reduction but cisgender girls may also do that if advised by a doctor.
Puberty messes with their early adult life more, you should know that. You don't really care about the children at all.
@@uslph. their body was designed for puberty.
@nualawillman8735 nope. Surgeries in minors are happening more often nowadays. Look up Jazz Jennings' whose MtF genital transition at age 17 is posted here on YT. Anyway, even in the general population, we are becoming more superficial than ever before. For example, all the young people getting BBL (Brazilian butt lift) even though it has led to complications for many, and even death for some.
The moderator helped reduce the heated arguments and let each side express their views. Great format.
Jubilee probably needs to start using name badges, all the "this woman said" or "he said" is pretty strange for a show that big :)
I'm fine with teaching it in middle and high school probably but I don't want a society that teaches our children to put themselves in Little Boxes and label themselves
If depression is a mental illness and includes self destructive behaviour, how is gender dysphoria not classified as one?
It is a disorder. They just put it in a category of its own and treating it with an 'affirmative' approach, which is not therapy at all.
If gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness, why do they need surgery and medication to treat it?
even body dysmorphia is considered one
being a kpop stan is a mental illness
because it makes more money to let people transition then help them mentally
Kiara was very much not "undecided." Her opinions were solidified long before coming to set. Let's work on our casting questions, Jubilee.
Jubilee doesn’t care. They want the world to think being liberal is the norm
Everyone has opinions Steven. If you were paying attention, you'd notice there was a title to the video, that's what the undecided group is undecided about. The undecided group is not people with 0 opinions at all that are here to just absorb all information at face value.
You’re just mad that she’s liberal leaning. Big cope or stay mad no one cares
She formulated her opinion based on feelings and family member’s experience.
I thought the other two were so well cast. They were very thoughtful and genuinely on the fence. I'm not a fan of the emotional argument given that she has to always agree with everything her trans family member says. Think for yourself. Would you say that if you were debating religion and one of your family members was a christian or an atheist and you just used that as your reasoning for everything? It's ridiculous and a waste of a potentially interesting perspective, even if they would have chosen someone more liberal leaning.
It's so ironic that the guy who said kids believe in Santa is highly religious.