You change a ton of the suspension components, and then whine that the truck doesn’t tow things correctly. Ever think maybe you’re the cause of that problem? I do. I have a 2021 Ram 1500 and it tows my 6000lb camper no problem. My truck is stock. I have the 5.7 without the hybrid system, and the 392 gears. I get 20 miles per gallon on the highway at 70mph (not towing of course). Great truck.
Lol I sense some fanboy syndrome here. People can't hear you dare say anything negative about their choice of truck. Defend the brand at all costs. It's always YOUR fault. 😂
I lifted my truck 3 inches +33 inch tires and lost 1 mpg on average. Him leveling the truck didn't effect his mileage. The fuel mileage is just that bad.
I have no skin in the game and thank you for your review. I did want to let you know that leveling does affect the wind resistance and can increase the air turbulence in the bed, thus lowering your fuel economy. Good luck with your next chooce.
I don't know what you're talking about with "white-knuckling" when towing 5,500 lbs. I towed a 70 Charger on a U-Haul trailer (roughly 6,000 lbs) all the way from Idaho to Pennsylvania and back and I certainly wasn't white-knuckling or felt like I was being pushed all over the road. 2020 Ram 1500 Limited, 5.7 non-eTorque, 4x4, 3.21 gears, factory air ride.
I have a similar Lonestar bighorn, 3.21 gearing. I bought an off market trailerbrake controller, rough country leveling shocks in front and rc struts in rear. I don't have the downhill desent control or the axel lock. Heck, I don't tow heavier than 7,000 lbs and that's a long trailer full of fire wood. Also, you need a tonneau cover. It will allow for a more efficient stream to pass over the truck. It will add 2 to 3 mpg to trips. Without it, the air hitting the tailgate acts like an air sail brake, thus, decreasing gas mileage. Finally, you needed the 2500. You should have had the 3.92 ratio on your 1500, with the 26 or 33 gallon tank.
I had a 2017 Ram Big Horn that would get 21 to 22 mpg on the two lane at 68 mph. On the Interstate at 80 to 83 mph, it would drop down to around 18. Of course wind here in the Dakotas is a big issue and makes or breaks your mileage. My 2022 Ram 1500 doesn’t get as good of mileage as the Big Horn did, but I don’t have the same tires on it. The big lug tires are a mileage killer, I run either the Toyo Open Country H/T III’s or the Yokohama Geolander HT G056 tires. Both were better than the factory tires for mpg.
I have a 2014 RAM Sport 4x4 Hemi. Drive back and forth from AZ to WI every year. Currently has 82k miles on it. Mileage is always 21.4. Only issue I have is I wish the speed limit on US 54 was 100mph or better.
I was driving from East TN to Tucson AZ for a couple years with my 2019 Ram 1500 crewcab 5.7 Etorg 4 X 4 with 2.31 positrack. It averaged 22.00 mpg westbound door to door 1950 miles and 21.20 mpg eastbound 1950 miles. The truck always had two adults a 100. pd dog and a fully loaded bed both ways. My average speed was 77 mph. I did a lot of 80 to 90 mph driving. As far as mileage, this truck out the dozens I have owned over the last 60 years of truck ownership is the best hands down. The only truck close to it was a 1995 Nissan, V-6 3.0 ltr, extended cab, 2 wheel drive automatic. It got 22 mpg no matter how you drove it, but it was about half the truck of the 2019 Ram.
I'd take this review with a grain of salt. My dad had put 150k on 15' (my brother has it now) and now has a 21 without e torque. He got great mileage with both and routinely gets over 20 highway average on road trips in Montana at higher elevation going the 80 mph speed limit. No issues with towing his boat and he's towing now a cargo trailer across country comfortably. Even my 08 Ram 1500 with 3.92 towed that amount comfortably in the mountains in Montana with air bags. The rear differential didn't' hold up... but it was comfortable. As far as the mileage go you'd be amazed at how much those wheels, tires & level will affect your mpg. You kind of sacrifice your critique if you've made these modifications. To be clear I'm not a huge Ram fan coming to defend this truck but this was someone who didn't option their truck correctly. You needed 3.92 gear ratios for that level/tires/towing, you could have easily put air bags on, got a better hitch, got a trailer with brakes or bought a lighter aluminum car trailer. All of these things would have been cheaper than daily driving a 3/4. It wasn't that you "needed" a 3/4 ton to tow 5 times a year.
The “modifications” to this truck were mainly factory options (ram rebel) with a very similar MPG rating. Yes, this truck has 3.21 gears. I didn’t get to pick every option as this is what the dealership had. This was my review of the 1500 coming from a previous 2500 owner. You can obviously disagree but, don’t try to discredit my review based on your own opinion. “Comfort” is completely relative. For the money these new trucks cost, I wasn’t worth it in my opinion. I’m more than happy going back to an older 2500.
You bought the wrong truck for your needs and as stated could have optioned it better. 3.21 vs 3.92 gears make a world of difference towing. Ram currently makes the best all around truck in the half ton segment.
My Ram Limited 5.7 Etorque 4x4 with the 392 gear pulls like a champ. I pull my Rockwook 2506 all the time. Never pushes the truck around. IDK what you are doing wrong. I also pull the camper with my 2022 Grand Cherokee L 5.7L 4x4......no sway with the Hensley hitch. You might want to get the correct hitch for your truck
I would imagine a great improvement with a Hensley anti-sway hitch. My experience towing with the ‘21 Ram 1500 was with the factory package and a U-haul car trailer. Similar to what many others might encounter.
Good review. I think the tires and raised shocks are impacting your mileage. My 3.92 E-Torque will go 650 miles on the highway all day. While I've never pulled anything, the torque is also amazing and stronger than my 2014 5.7 Hemi which pulled 5k easily.
He doesnt have a damn tow package. I have a 2014 Ram 1500 5.7l Crewcab and pull a 26ft travel trailer that is over 6,000lbs with the smaller back end and I forget its back there sometimes with a "TOW PACKAGE"!
Wow, I have had the complete opposite results regarding fuel mileage with my 2019 Ram / 392 gear and my 2022 Ram / 321 gear? Must depend on how you drive it, I do a lot of highway miles with the cruise control on and typically beat the epa estimated mpg. Best I have gotten with the 2022 is 24.5 and usually does 23 on a ling trip, the 392 gear would get 1-2 less.
I just bought a 2024 1500 last week. Got the V6 because I really don’t need to tow anything and didn’t want the gas drinking V8. I thought I researched it well but it seems like since I bought it all I have read are horror stories of things breaking and leaking. Now I’m starting to worry that I bought a money pit. I know several people who own them and have had 0 problems though. I’m glad to see you’ve had no problems for 4 years as well. I guess people who post online mostly post complaints, and you never hear from the ones who have no issues. That’s what I’m going with at least.
@@yankee4424 if you treat it like a lady it will last forever. I am convinced that people that have problems with any vehicle do so because they drive themselves t like they stole it.
@@Notguilty1 I agree. I also saw an interesting analogy today too. You only find horror stories on forums for the same reason you only see sick people at the hospital. The ones that are fine aren’t there. So I’d say for every two or three trucks that have a problem there’s 100 more out there that are absolutely fine.
We’ve talked about it. My 2019 get about 12 mpg completely stock. I’ve fell the same way about towing, the ability to push in body parts with little effort, and the gas guzzling. It is a great around the tow truck, rides so nice, huge cab area to fit 4-6 people, and tech is decent. I personally use the 4 wheel auto. I have the towing gears so that with 4 wheel auto make the truck have some tack off torque.
Definitely a great family truck. It also handled the trails with ease. The wife and I decided she would have the family car and I would just get a work horse instead. Hard to beat a 5.9 Cummins in my opinion. Especially if I luck out and find an 06 or 07 mega cab.
I have a 2020 classic 5.7 crew cab 4x4 no etorq. Consistency get over 20 mpg on the highway. It does drop considerably in town due to the amount of energy it take to get that weight rolling. I tow a Massey Ferguson 2605 with a 84” finish mower that together with the trailer is about 7500 pounds. No uneasy feeling he described but my truck is 100% as delivered from the factory. No mods just straight as delivered. 60k miles no problems yet. Pretty happy so far.
The difference in towing is rear coil spring suspension set up..I've had 2500 cummis same way..just hard to describe. Power is not a problem. Had to put air bags and bar to help stabilize rear. Still love my 1500 etorque... I've had 4 cummins trucks..stock. EPA ruined diesels! Not worth it anymore..maint costs along with fuel...money ahead maintaining and feeding a gas one. Wish I kept my 06 5.9😂
I’ve got the 2019 Limited 5.7 with eTorque and the 3.92 rear and I get 22 on the road and 18 in town. Pulling our 5800# camper is great but we do have the tow package with trailer brakes. Towing we get about 9.5mpg
Your gauge screen has nothing to do with being a "Bighorn", just check the right boxes when ordering. My Bighorn is about as loaded as you can get and it has the large programable screen in the dash. Also, did the trailer you towed have any kind of load hitch, I run mine with an Andersen hitch towing my toy hauler, truck is a beast and super smooth. I also have the trailer brake controller and the trailer steering knob...both work excellent
Did you adjust the Speedo when you added the oversized tires? If not that’ll hurt the mpg calculation. You’re getting better than it states. Also the level kills the aerodynamics. My 2020 bighorn hemi 4x4 no etorque has a 2” lift front and back so I retained the factory rake and running 295/70/18s - 34.5s Falkens. Mostly city driven and avg 15.5 mpg but 21 highway with a calibrated speedometer.
Wow you have a different experience then me. I get 11 mpg with my 4000lbs pontoon. I average 17 mpg at 75% city driving. I tow a 7500lbs travel trailer 3 hours every couple months and have never had an issue towing, trailer set up very important. I do hate the knob for trans, the headers rarely Crack the bolts break, have fix x2 on other hemi trucks...not fun but doable in drive way in 2 hours with for $75. He didn't even bring up oil changes...they out the filter above the steering rack and with the new electric rack it's close to impossible to not make a huge mess, but I guess he doesnt do his own maintenance.
With this truck, the dealership gave me free oil changes throughout the time I owned it. I knew of the drain location issue and didn’t want to deal with it. Plus, can’t beat free when the warranty is still intact. It was a nice truck but, I’m much happier with the performance of my ‘07 Mega Cab 1500 at 1/5 the cost.
I get average 19mpg in my 2020 v6 ram. Ppl need to just understand the reality of the world if your towing once in a while a pop up, a trailer of toys, lawnmower or a boat. Most things are under 4000lbs a v6 will do it. Ppl get these v8s like they are pulling a bulldozer everyday, 85% of ppl don't need a v8 unless you use it for work. If your pulling 5000+ and you need a v8 you need a 2500 or bigger and lets face it if your camping twice a year you dont need a huge camper or truck that big. You see all these v8s on the road and 95% of these ppl have never pulled anything that they need a v8 for they just like burning money driving it everyday.
Exactly. If you go on any online group, youtube comment, etc. it's full of ego boys acting like a truck needs a v8 for validation 😂. Besides ego, what are you buying a v8 for? So you can cut off your muffler and make it loud? Cause we know you ain't towing shit, and you only hook something up so you can take a picture for ya fb group lol. I've had 3 Silverados, and I live in Chicago doing contract work for multiple properties. I tell my boys I was getting 8mpg with the 08 5.3 in the city, but getting 15.8 with my 4.3 now. Have only towed once with any of my trucks. In 10 years, why the f do I need a v8
actually a v6 is better for contractors if you don't tow because the lighter the engine means the more weight you can put in the bed of your truck. That's why work trucks have a v6 in them standard and the v8 is optional.
Wrong..... I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crewcab and it pulls a 26ft travel trailer that weighs around 6,000lbs everywhere including up pretty steep grades. Its because I have the tow package and know how to use it with gear up and gear down. Sometimes I forget the trailer is back there. So you cant tell everyone they need a 3/4 ton truck that rides rough just to to over 5,000lbs. Thats just horse shit. Plenty of power and smooth with the 5.7l Hemi. I beg to differ.
5:08 it actually most likely the cab “exhausters.” Cheap little plastic parts between cab and bed that let air out of the cab. They are the biggest offender for leaks, and people often mistake the leak to be coming from the center tail light or window
Absolutely My 2019 Ram Truck w a Hemi around town all day gets 11MPG , If I pull am pulling a 8k trailer and I have the tow package plus trailer brakes I get abput 9mpg. Its Amazing that Car companies get to just OUTRIGHT LIE about real world MPG.. But Ram really takes the cake and is the biggest offender . And I do not have a heavy foot I just drive it. My cars I drive all get near the MPG,albeit of course 3 or 4 mpg less
I have a 2022 warlock 5.7 hemi no e-torque. I'm getting 17-18 around town and over 20 on the hiway. Problem with e-torque, that nobody's talking about is how much horse power it takes to run the e-torque. It takes about 12 horse power to run the old type fans so I can imagine it takes quite a bit to run e-torque. They also don't tell you about how much it costs to replace the 48v battery. ($8,000). It's the same as the start-stop feature, it's a joke. I've two vehicles with start-stop and I've tested it several time with it on and off and I always get better MPG with it off. Just another sales pitch .
i have an 2021 etorque now but before a had regular hemi 2013 and 2018 same mpg for all of them in my case around 12 in town, still love the truck so im good
Interesting, seem like lots of people complain about real VS advertised mileage. I am looking at a 2023 Classic 4WD crew cab with the Pentastar, it had the chrome package, limited slip, rugs and towing though it will NEVER see any towing from me. I have a 2023 Tuscon SEL AWD but i have a house in WV that having a pick-up will be beneficial for, i think they are rated about 16 city and 21 hwy. You know i had a 96 Grand Cherokee with the 5.2 for 12 years as a winter vehicle and it got 12 mph city and the 5.2 was about 210-220 hp not 400 like the HEMI. The truck i am looking at lists for 48 grand and i can buy for 40, if i buy i am getting the BED RUG and a nice tonneau
Maybe. I know of a few others with similar disappointing results. It appeared as though this ram would only enter “eco” mode under 60mph. The brake light is a widespread issue.
The instantly leaking third brake light and the manifoild bolts breaking off around 40,000 miles are the two most common failures on the entire platform.
I’m driving a rental (2023 ram 1500 big horn). Very comfortable ride but the etorque makes the acceleration/deceleration feel jerky. Like a dead spot in the brake and gas pedal. I don’t like it
You should get a Tow Package if you want to "tow". I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew Cab 5.7l short bed that tows a travel trailer that is 29ft tongue to back. 5400lbs empty. Add full water,clothes and storage across the whole front of the trailer and you are looking at over 6,000lbs. I sometimes forget its back there...... WITH A FREAKING "TOW PACKAGE"!!! Come on man. Know how to use your truck. You need a .... "Tow Package". Wow!!!!
Tell me you don’t know what comes in the “tow package” without telling me lol. Gotta look at the actual specs. Utilizing a Uhaul trailer negates the biggest addition to the truck via a “tow package” option - the brake controller. The mirrors are the only other addition via that package. All lvl 2 equipped ram 1500s come with class 4 receivers, HD oil coolers, big alt., etc. Do some research before commenting dude.
Before I leveled the truck I was averaging around 16/17 driving 70-75. Any slower and I’d have to park it at 55 in the slow lane. California’s don’t tolerate campers in the fast lane.
Rebel rims & tires are 1/2 again as heavy as the stock rims and tires (I did the same change). Increasing the height at the front of the truck changes your aerodynamics. And you're towing, which skews your mileage from EPA ratings a LOT. You can't compare a diesel vs gasser for towing. And all trucks these days will have bedsides that bow like that... They're making them lighter for better EPA ratings. Your complaints about the manifold is valid. But is covered under warranty.
The mileage shown was without towing. Ram rebels have the same MPG ratings so, the wheels and tires should have no impact. Leveling the truck most certainly impacted my economy. That was probably the only mod that truly did. Losing 33% efficiency by simply leveling the truck is pathetic. My old ‘99 Dodge Ram 1500 felt more stable towing on the road (although severely underpowered). While this truck was decent for what it was, I don’t see how they command such an astonishing price tag.
@@sorta_stock Well, I can't fault you on the price tag... But like everything else, prices have gone up way more than they should have. As for the difference between Rebel and big horn, I do not believe they tested both a Rebel and a "stock" truck. They're both 1500s therefore they both got the same numbers. When I went to the larger, heavier rims and tires, I lost about 1.5mpg of city driving. Which is what's expected according to the reading I did online before doing the swap. It's quite obvious that if you change the weight of the tires, it's going to cost you in mileage - all the starting from a stop is a lot of interia to get moving. As for towing, I'm not sure what the problem you experienced was, but I towed an enclosed trailer over 6000km across Canada packed with all my belonging that was well over 5000lbs. Through mountains in Winter. I averaged 13.8mpg for the trip. And I had no issues towing it, without any load balance help. Is it possible your trailer is not properly balanced? Is the replacement suspension you put in causing problems? Etc etc. In any case, I'm assuming it's long gone from your possession now, so it's a moot point - but I just think your experience is not the norm with these trucks. I'm on my 3rd and I stil like mine.
3.21 that's where you messed up. I tow all the time, travel trailer all loaded up. No problem at all even in Vale Colorado. 9 mpg towing in that environment but 18-22 any other time on the highway and 17 mixed.
The 3.21s weren’t really that noticeable when towing to be honest. The truck has more than enough power for the job. I figured the gears would improve mpg unloaded but, I just didn’t see it.
You should choose the classic if you don’t like the auto start/stop and save some money. I feel the most thing that e-torque help is for start the engine.
i have a 21 night edition and bro its the best truck ever. its my 4th ram and ive loved them all. one thing i learned since day 1 is that you shouldnt buy a ram with a hemi if money is a concern in your life. they require alot of maintenance, repairs are expensive, mods are a must, and they always have electrical issues. point of my post is. rams are the best, just not for broke people. you need a 4cyl if you want good mpg. this is just my personal opinion. i dont buy them for work or because i tow. they make beautiful dailys.
Got no problem with 10mpg (I build and own classics mainly). I just don’t think the new rams are worth the bank note with what’s offered. The 10mpg combined with a 21 gal tank is ridiculous. Needs a tank range of at least 400 miles. Not 270 like this truck was. I switched back to a gen 3 Ram and couldn’t be happier. Currently building a ‘77 Ramcharger to eventually daily.
I just bought a brand new 24 Big Horn. I opted for the V6 because I don’t need it for towing or hauling. Did get the 4X4 because we tend to have some snowy winters. It seems like I’ve read about more problems coming from the V8 than the V6.
MPG’s has a lot to do with the person driving. You may put your foot into a little bit more from stop to go. You may drive a little faster on the highway. It just depends. I get almost 25 mpg in mine. But like I said, it depends on the driver. I never go over 65 on the highway and I don’t take off very fast.
Interesting review on your truck. It sounds like you prefer a Cummins over a gas, so why did you opt for a half ton when you had a 1 ton? You can't compare the two. Of course a 1 ton is going to tow better and handle better towing than a half ton. A 1500 can tow, but it's not made to tow consistently or with heavy loads. I've towed with my half ton 1500, but does it tow like my 2500 or 350 did, most certainly not. I also don't tow as much as I used to which is why I opted to go with a half ton. Plus now I spend a lot more time driving for my job. I also think driving style has a lot to do with your mpg. If you live in the city and you deal with stop and go traffic all the time your mpg is going to be garbage. If you have a heavy foot and like to hear your Hemi come to life your mpg is going to suck. Now, if I drove how I like to drive, which is with a heavy foot and like to pass everything but the fuel station, then my mpg would be about 10 mpg. However, I've learned to tone it back and set my cruise control and do the speed limit on the highway, and I'm averaging 20mpg with the 26 gal tank. I wish I had the larger tank, but I bought it used. The problem with all new trucks is they all have issues, they are not made well, components are cheaply made but expensive to replace, and they don't last. Nothing is made like it used to. The manufactures don't care about this, because they know consumers will buy their products anyway. This is my first Ram, and only time will tell if I decide to keep it. The days of having a vehicle for 20 years are over. Appreciate your review and honesty. Have fun with the Cummins.
I do love the gen 3 Cummins trucks but, was wanting something a little newer with more space for the little ones. I was expecting a downgrade in towing capability but, didn’t realize it would be so drastic. Especially since the tow “ratings” were similar. I went back with an older Dodge and let the wife get something newer for the road trips.
Honestly, I think what affected you was the lift. Even a 2in can have a big effect on naturally aspirated cars. You CAN get away with it in a turbo’d vehicle.
The tow wasn’t that heavy. That’s the thing. It was a lightweight race car. About 5k lbs for the car and trailer combined. I liked the truck. It just wasn’t worth the money given it’s performance.
I have same year same engine, 4x4 off road and tow package groups. No mods yet. As for 1/2 tons go I have never been impressed with any manufacturers tow #'s because in my experience it was always a "white knuckle" experience with any decent weight behind me. Acceleration, STOPPING, and as you said "getting pushed around". Now I'm talking hd trailers, loaded grain wagons, anhydrous nitrogen tanks. Absolutely go with a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel for those/your common applications. But also, even though it shouldn't, IMO, Anytime you level a 1/2 ton and then you put that tongue weight on it completely disrupts the handling of the 1/2 ton alot more than the larger trucks unless you compensate for it with rear airbags or such. My truck doesn't come close to Rams stated MPG either but in fairness i don't go on long drives as of yet either to get data. I am gonna put in a S&B CAI along with a tuner very soon in order to turn off the MDS, hopefully get better performance and mpg, or at least stay about the same mpg, out of her. I think that even if you did these mods your not gonna get what you hope for out of a 1/2 ton. Now for you guys with the 5th wheel or gooseneck trailers don't even bash this post because that is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT handling experience (fo the better) with ANY truck, i am talking added tongue/hitch weight. I wish level kits didn't affect pulling (heavy) hitch trailers with 4x4 1/2 ton trucks but in my experience they do and ALOT more than a 3/4 or 1 ton. All manufacturers lie on their #'s but i think Ram really streches theirs at least on mpg. Get your 3/4 or 1 ton, sacrifice the ride quality but have what you need
Thats why I am keeping my 2016 4x4 4thgen, why to pay for a dif costume for extra 20 to 30 k, if I can add them to my truck and make it a monster, and still pay gas money hehe
the trailer breaks was your problem i tow a 18foot travel trailer with my 2020 and have no problem with the trailer breaks and using tow mode. 1 would have never bought the etourque
Definitely wouldn’t advise someone to get the e-torque. I went back to a 07 Dodge 1500 mega cab hemi and couldn’t be happier. I forget the uhaul is even attached.
Haha I get that on a good, flat highway, my man! Really getting on the pedal in one of these trucks will get you about 9 mpg. Same with towing. Still the best half-ton money can buy. The Hemi V8 and ZF-8 speed are an absolute rear-wheel-drive-dream together.
@@sorta_stock Thanks, i might check it out, truck will be paid for in a few months. You should be able to get a good price for your truck as i was looking at used 1st and when i considered the cost of used with high mileage and unknown maintenance records which i am fussy about i just bought a new one. I got mine for $42,800 with plenty of useful options like tow pack which includes 355 gears [for the V-6], power and heated rear window, power driver's seat and full-length console, fog lights, tow hooks, full sized spare and other things, list was $52,000. It just hit 500 miles and on the 2nd fill up i got 16.8 MPG mixed so not complaining though the HEMI is supposed to get the same mileage or close but it was on the lot and buyers take whats available. My truck will have an easy life without towing, yes i like power from time to time so maybe in the future i will get a Big Horn HEMI and the 392 gears? Higher tier trucks now are far from cheap, easy to spend 65-70 grand on a loaded RAM, a Tacoma costs as much as i paid for mine and it has the 6 ft 4 bed because mine is the quad cab so i am more than happy with mine.
You can’t say the “hybrid” if you literally say you turn it off. You’re burning so much gas sitting at lights. I turned mine off to until I realized its benefits. It also adds over 100lbs of torque
I didn’t do a lot of city driving when I had it so, the start/stop feature wasn’t a factor in the poor fuel economy. Plus, the system would never truly be off. It still applies torque during transmission shifts and acceleration from a stop. I’ll take a standard “non-hybrid” version any day of the week.
The forums are riddled with unhappy folks. If you’ve got a pickup that hasn’t had these problems then hold onto it and enjoy. They really are great pickups. Just not worth their asking price imo. Maybe after 3-4 years of use
I have a 2021 Etorque Limited(5.7 V8) I average about 21 mpg and driven 510 miles to a full tank. I have a 27 gallons tank..If you changing a lot of components then you may have cause the issue yourself.
Have you ever had any issues out of the transfer case? Seen alot of bad things about the clutch driven transfer case on forums but your truck seem to perform flawless.
I actually really liked the clutch driven TC. I uploaded an off-road review on the truck last July where I pushed it pretty hard. The pickup handled it beautifully.
I didn’t have any nor hear of others experiencing hvac failure. With that said, my wife’s 2020 RT Durango did have the AC unit fail after 2 years. Not sure if they share parts.
@@sorta_stock OK that’s good news, there appear to be a lot of blend door issues 2019 and 2020. Where it just didn’t get cold enough. Might be resolved by 2021. Thank you.
I don’t follow. You tow? But purchase something with no trailer brake controller? No brakes on trailer. Plus change suspension? So I am not quite sure what you’re reviewing.
Really? Hard to understand that many people opt for a level truck while still expecting it to complete basic functions? My gen 3 is lifted 6”… tows like a dream. Even with a simple uhaul trailer
A 5000 lb trailer with no brakes ! no wonder it pushed the truck , how else was it supposed to stop ? Here in Europe any trailer over 1650 lbs must be fitted with brakes !
Those rental trailers have a braking system but, it’s an automatic system that requires the towing vehicle to brake first. Means you can’t set a drag to straighten it out while coasting down hill.
Uhaul trailers are not "unbraked." They just dont have electronic controls to help set drag when going downhill. They require the tow vehicle to brake first to initiate their onboard braking system. Honestly, my wife's 2020 RT Durango felt better towing than this 2021 Ram 1500.
Should never even come close to towing max on 1500....especially a Ram....had 21 Laramie and wasnt that impressed, dumped it after 6 months thank god market was bananas so didnt lose a dime....got a 2500 and never going back to 1500....just on bed space alone.....5ft box is a joke My 5.7 got 12mpg avg, beautiful motor but not for MPG.....they are notrious for sucking gas
Two things you didn't mention - the gear ratio (you did say it was like Rebel, so I am assuming you have 3.92) and Fuel tank size. I am in process of buying one with 3.21 and I am going to go for 33 Gallons tank. 26 gallon is also an option, but what is surprising is that most 2023 Ram with 5.7 were ordered with 23 gallon tanks by dealer, at least in my area.
I mentioned that it has the 3.21s early on in the video. I didn’t mind the ratio from a drivability standpoint. Did good offroad as well. I’d be afraid to see what my mpgs would’ve been with 3.92s. This Ram had the 23 gal fuel tank. I’m not sure why such a small tank is even offered tbh.
@@sorta_stock Thanks and sorry I missed that detail. Wow, that is disappointing MPG with 3.21. Agree 23 gallon on V8 should not even be offered as an option.
Be careful with the Diesel rams. They are no longer like the pre 2007 diesels. All kinds of emission controls on them and they do not get the same fuel milage and are very unreliable because if any of the emission control equipment fails that causes issues with engine. Very expensive to fix and the dealerships are full of them being repaired so it takes forever.
You turn of the start and stop feature then bitch about MPG. 😂 I have had a 2012, 2017, 2018 and 2022 and never had any window leaks, tow problems. In the 17, 18 & 22 I averaged 19-22 MPG.
Start and stop feature does nothing for highway mpg. The forums are filled with folks discussing these issues. The massive MPG hit with something as basic as a leveling kit is disappointing. 6” lift would be understandable.
@@sorta_stock The auto stop start affects your mpg calculations. If your highway mpg are that low you need to learn how to drive more efficiently and not lead foot the pedal all of the time.
You lost me. Rebels are cool pickups. Not a lot different than this particular Bighorn. The wheel & tire combo they have were good enough for me to seek them out.
It was essentially just a leveling kit. Wheels and tires are OEM Rebel (same mpg rating). I don't know a single person who likes the stock stance. Regarding bed liner... this truck didn't have it. I doubt bedliner plays a roll at all, honestly.
The EPA rating is kinda full of shit still. They don't factor in tires. Those tires hurt you more than you think. Not only is the tread more drag, but there is more mass as well. Is your speedo still accurate after that? Most trip computers MPG are not that accurate. Then the suspension stuff you did, doesn't help either. Those 5.9 cummins only get 15mpg empty. Step dad's '22 Silverado 1500 5.3 2wd crew short got 15mpg going 80mph on a road trip. Gas tank was 24-26gallons. As someone who tows with a car (Coil suspension) I got a lot less shudder from the trailer when I added airbags. I think all rams and the Raptor have coils in the rear and it makes them horrible for towing. Around '18 my bosses got the new ram 1500. 4x4, 5.7. One was complaining how it didn't tow good compared to his old f150. ('13?)
Have swapped between the same tires with my gmc with 3.0 duramax. Went from 22mpg to 19-20, pretty significant impact, I think 10-15% is pretty normal going to an aggressive tread
I get 20 mpg in my 2023 model with the 3.23 gears. Also people towing cracks me up. Mines tows my 4800 pound camper like a dream
You change a ton of the suspension components, and then whine that the truck doesn’t tow things correctly. Ever think maybe you’re the cause of that problem? I do. I have a 2021 Ram 1500 and it tows my 6000lb camper no problem. My truck is stock. I have the 5.7 without the hybrid system, and the 392 gears. I get 20 miles per gallon on the highway at 70mph (not towing of course). Great truck.
Shocks and struts are not a ton of suspension components. Plus, I’ve towed before and after the level kit and it still sucked.
Lol I sense some fanboy syndrome here. People can't hear you dare say anything negative about their choice of truck. Defend the brand at all costs. It's always YOUR fault. 😂
I lifted my truck 3 inches +33 inch tires and lost 1 mpg on average. Him leveling the truck didn't effect his mileage. The fuel mileage is just that bad.
Leveling does affect mpg and the gas mileage will improve over time as the engine breaks in.
I have no skin in the game and thank you for your review. I did want to let you know that leveling does affect the wind resistance and can increase the air turbulence in the bed, thus lowering your fuel economy. Good luck with your next chooce.
I don't know what you're talking about with "white-knuckling" when towing 5,500 lbs. I towed a 70 Charger on a U-Haul trailer (roughly 6,000 lbs) all the way from Idaho to Pennsylvania and back and I certainly wasn't white-knuckling or felt like I was being pushed all over the road. 2020 Ram 1500 Limited, 5.7 non-eTorque, 4x4, 3.21 gears, factory air ride.
Maybe your air ride helped. It wasn’t bad on the straightaways but, the twisties were terrible. Went back to a gen 3 2500 and I couldn’t be happier
@@sorta_stock Pre-emissions Cummins. Smart man.
I have a similar Lonestar bighorn, 3.21 gearing. I bought an off market trailerbrake controller, rough country leveling shocks in front and rc struts in rear. I don't have the downhill desent control or the axel lock. Heck, I don't tow heavier than 7,000 lbs and that's a long trailer full of fire wood. Also, you need a tonneau cover. It will allow for a more efficient stream to pass over the truck. It will add 2 to 3 mpg to trips. Without it, the air hitting the tailgate acts like an air sail brake, thus, decreasing gas mileage.
Finally, you needed the 2500. You should have had the 3.92 ratio on your 1500, with the 26 or 33 gallon tank.
Good point on the leaky rear window, cargo light and radio fin, notorious in the 2019 models!
I had a 2017 Ram Big Horn that would get 21 to 22 mpg on the two lane at 68 mph. On the Interstate at 80 to 83 mph, it would drop down to around 18. Of course wind here in the Dakotas is a big issue and makes or breaks your mileage.
My 2022 Ram 1500 doesn’t get as good of mileage as the Big Horn did, but I don’t have the same tires on it. The big lug tires are a mileage killer, I run either the Toyo Open Country H/T III’s or the Yokohama Geolander HT G056 tires. Both were better than the factory tires for mpg.
I have a '22 1500 5.7 Hemi eTorque 4x4 with 21k miles. I have pulled a dump trail loaded over 3500 lbs of concrete. No problems.
Thank you for your real experiences with the fuel economy and towing
No problem. It’s a big purchase and I figured people could really benefit from my experience.
I have a 2014 RAM Sport 4x4 Hemi. Drive back and forth from AZ to WI every year. Currently has 82k miles on it. Mileage is always 21.4. Only issue I have is I wish the speed limit on US 54 was 100mph or better.
I was driving from East TN to Tucson AZ for a couple years with my 2019 Ram 1500 crewcab 5.7 Etorg 4 X 4 with 2.31 positrack. It averaged 22.00 mpg westbound door to door 1950 miles and 21.20 mpg eastbound 1950 miles.
The truck always had two adults a 100. pd dog and a fully loaded bed both ways.
My average speed was 77 mph. I did a lot of 80 to 90 mph driving. As far as mileage, this truck out the dozens I have owned over the last 60 years of truck ownership is the best hands down. The only truck close to it was a 1995 Nissan, V-6 3.0 ltr, extended cab, 2 wheel drive automatic. It got 22 mpg no matter how you drove it, but it was about half the truck of the 2019 Ram.
I'd take this review with a grain of salt. My dad had put 150k on 15' (my brother has it now) and now has a 21 without e torque. He got great mileage with both and routinely gets over 20 highway average on road trips in Montana at higher elevation going the 80 mph speed limit. No issues with towing his boat and he's towing now a cargo trailer across country comfortably. Even my 08 Ram 1500 with 3.92 towed that amount comfortably in the mountains in Montana with air bags. The rear differential didn't' hold up... but it was comfortable. As far as the mileage go you'd be amazed at how much those wheels, tires & level will affect your mpg. You kind of sacrifice your critique if you've made these modifications.
To be clear I'm not a huge Ram fan coming to defend this truck but this was someone who didn't option their truck correctly. You needed 3.92 gear ratios for that level/tires/towing, you could have easily put air bags on, got a better hitch, got a trailer with brakes or bought a lighter aluminum car trailer. All of these things would have been cheaper than daily driving a 3/4. It wasn't that you "needed" a 3/4 ton to tow 5 times a year.
The “modifications” to this truck were mainly factory options (ram rebel) with a very similar MPG rating. Yes, this truck has 3.21 gears. I didn’t get to pick every option as this is what the dealership had. This was my review of the 1500 coming from a previous 2500 owner. You can obviously disagree but, don’t try to discredit my review based on your own opinion. “Comfort” is completely relative. For the money these new trucks cost, I wasn’t worth it in my opinion. I’m more than happy going back to an older 2500.
He actually has the worse config for towing which is low gear ratio + crew cab + 4x4
You bought the wrong truck for your needs and as stated could have optioned it better. 3.21 vs 3.92 gears make a world of difference towing.
Ram currently makes the best all around truck in the half ton segment.
My Ram Limited 5.7 Etorque 4x4 with the 392 gear pulls like a champ. I pull my Rockwook 2506 all the time. Never pushes the truck around. IDK what you are doing wrong. I also pull the camper with my 2022 Grand Cherokee L 5.7L 4x4......no sway with the Hensley hitch. You might want to get the correct hitch for your truck
I would imagine a great improvement with a Hensley anti-sway hitch. My experience towing with the ‘21 Ram 1500 was with the factory package and a U-haul car trailer. Similar to what many others might encounter.
Good review. I think the tires and raised shocks are impacting your mileage. My 3.92 E-Torque will go 650 miles on the highway all day. While I've never pulled anything, the torque is also amazing and stronger than my 2014 5.7 Hemi which pulled 5k easily.
He doesnt have a damn tow package.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 5.7l Crewcab and pull a 26ft travel trailer that is over 6,000lbs with the smaller back end and I forget its back there sometimes with a "TOW PACKAGE"!
Wow, I have had the complete opposite results regarding fuel mileage with my 2019 Ram / 392 gear and my 2022 Ram / 321 gear? Must depend on how you drive it, I do a lot of highway miles with the cruise control on and typically beat the epa estimated mpg. Best I have gotten with the 2022 is 24.5 and usually does 23 on a ling trip, the 392 gear would get 1-2 less.
I’m drive 70-75 with 60% freeway, 40% city. On long freeway trips through the flat Central Valley of CA, I can squeeze out 15/16mpgs.
Yea me too same my 392 gear in my truck and I can drive all the way to Ohio 8 Hour Dr. on one tank of gas
Are average about 23 miles per gallon
Yea, at 50 mph maybe
You'll notice in the video he says 'Here's the start/stop feature that I always turn off' that makes a huge difference
I haven't towed anything with mine yet, but I am averaging significantly over 20 mpg.
2014 ram 5.7, 3:92 rear. Not towing, hand calculated, 17-18 hwy. 390-400 miles to tank
The hemi has a recall for the engine shutting off while driving. I have the v6 e torque 2021 54k miles no issues.
2020 4x4 5.7 with 104k mi. Not one issue. Love this truck as a daily.
I just bought a 2024 1500 last week. Got the V6 because I really don’t need to tow anything and didn’t want the gas drinking V8. I thought I researched it well but it seems like since I bought it all I have read are horror stories of things breaking and leaking. Now I’m starting to worry that I bought a money pit. I know several people who own them and have had 0 problems though. I’m glad to see you’ve had no problems for 4 years as well. I guess people who post online mostly post complaints, and you never hear from the ones who have no issues. That’s what I’m going with at least.
@@yankee4424 if you treat it like a lady it will last forever. I am convinced that people that have problems with any vehicle do so because they drive themselves t like they stole it.
@@Notguilty1 I agree. I also saw an interesting analogy today too. You only find horror stories on forums for the same reason you only see sick people at the hospital. The ones that are fine aren’t there. So I’d say for every two or three trucks that have a problem there’s 100 more out there that are absolutely fine.
We’ve talked about it. My 2019 get about 12 mpg completely stock. I’ve fell the same way about towing, the ability to push in body parts with little effort, and the gas guzzling. It is a great around the tow truck, rides so nice, huge cab area to fit 4-6 people, and tech is decent. I personally use the 4 wheel auto. I have the towing gears so that with 4 wheel auto make the truck have some tack off torque.
Definitely a great family truck. It also handled the trails with ease. The wife and I decided she would have the family car and I would just get a work horse instead. Hard to beat a 5.9 Cummins in my opinion. Especially if I luck out and find an 06 or 07 mega cab.
I have a 2020 classic 5.7 crew cab 4x4 no etorq. Consistency get over 20 mpg on the highway. It does drop considerably in town due to the amount of energy it take to get that weight rolling. I tow a Massey Ferguson 2605 with a 84” finish mower that together with the trailer is about 7500 pounds. No uneasy feeling he described but my truck is 100% as delivered from the factory. No mods just straight as delivered. 60k miles no problems yet. Pretty happy so far.
I get 21 on the highway Love my ram.
The difference in towing is rear coil spring suspension set up..I've had 2500 cummis same way..just hard to describe. Power is not a problem. Had to put air bags and bar to help stabilize rear. Still love my 1500 etorque... I've had 4 cummins trucks..stock. EPA ruined diesels! Not worth it anymore..maint costs along with fuel...money ahead maintaining and feeding a gas one. Wish I kept my 06 5.9😂
I’ve got the 2019 Limited 5.7 with eTorque and the 3.92 rear and I get 22 on the road and 18 in town. Pulling our 5800# camper is great but we do have the tow package with trailer brakes. Towing we get about 9.5mpg
local dealer has a 2020 ram bighorn/ lonestar with the normal hemi has 90k miles but they have it at 23k and its a 1 owner im about to jump on it
Your gauge screen has nothing to do with being a "Bighorn", just check the right boxes when ordering. My Bighorn is about as loaded as you can get and it has the large programable screen in the dash. Also, did the trailer you towed have any kind of load hitch, I run mine with an Andersen hitch towing my toy hauler, truck is a beast and super smooth. I also have the trailer brake controller and the trailer steering knob...both work excellent
I get 17-21 on mine. I have mods, but I didn't lift the front end. I put all terrain tires on mine and lost one mile per gallon. Towing I only get 13.
Leveling the front was definitely the main cause for the drop in mpg. Prior to leveling the truck, I was averaging high teens.
Did you adjust the Speedo when you added the oversized tires? If not that’ll hurt the mpg calculation. You’re getting better than it states. Also the level kills the aerodynamics. My 2020 bighorn hemi 4x4 no etorque has a 2” lift front and back so I retained the factory rake and running 295/70/18s - 34.5s Falkens. Mostly city driven and avg 15.5 mpg but 21
highway with a calibrated speedometer.
How to do you calibrate a speedometer??
@@garcial30tuner
Wow you have a different experience then me. I get 11 mpg with my 4000lbs pontoon. I average 17 mpg at 75% city driving. I tow a 7500lbs travel trailer 3 hours every couple months and have never had an issue towing, trailer set up very important. I do hate the knob for trans, the headers rarely Crack the bolts break, have fix x2 on other hemi trucks...not fun but doable in drive way in 2 hours with for $75. He didn't even bring up oil changes...they out the filter above the steering rack and with the new electric rack it's close to impossible to not make a huge mess, but I guess he doesnt do his own maintenance.
With this truck, the dealership gave me free oil changes throughout the time I owned it. I knew of the drain location issue and didn’t want to deal with it. Plus, can’t beat free when the warranty is still intact. It was a nice truck but, I’m much happier with the performance of my ‘07 Mega Cab 1500 at 1/5 the cost.
I get average 19mpg in my 2020 v6 ram. Ppl need to just understand the reality of the world if your towing once in a while a pop up, a trailer of toys, lawnmower or a boat. Most things are under 4000lbs a v6 will do it. Ppl get these v8s like they are pulling a bulldozer everyday, 85% of ppl don't need a v8 unless you use it for work. If your pulling 5000+ and you need a v8 you need a 2500 or bigger and lets face it if your camping twice a year you dont need a huge camper or truck that big. You see all these v8s on the road and 95% of these ppl have never pulled anything that they need a v8 for they just like burning money driving it everyday.
Exactly. If you go on any online group, youtube comment, etc. it's full of ego boys acting like a truck needs a v8 for validation 😂. Besides ego, what are you buying a v8 for? So you can cut off your muffler and make it loud? Cause we know you ain't towing shit, and you only hook something up so you can take a picture for ya fb group lol.
I've had 3 Silverados, and I live in Chicago doing contract work for multiple properties. I tell my boys I was getting 8mpg with the 08 5.3 in the city, but getting 15.8 with my 4.3 now. Have only towed once with any of my trucks. In 10 years, why the f do I need a v8
actually a v6 is better for contractors if you don't tow because the lighter the engine means the more weight you can put in the bed of your truck. That's why work trucks have a v6 in them standard and the v8 is optional.
Wrong.....
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crewcab and it pulls a 26ft travel trailer that weighs around 6,000lbs everywhere including up pretty steep grades. Its because I have the tow package and know how to use it with gear up and gear down.
Sometimes I forget the trailer is back there. So you cant tell everyone they need a 3/4 ton truck that rides rough just to to over 5,000lbs. Thats just horse shit. Plenty of power and smooth with the 5.7l Hemi.
I beg to differ.
My dad has a Ranger and we hauled trailer all the way across country from New England up to Alaska and back without any issues.
@@tylervance0146❤ u r spot on
I thought the only 1500 with the 11k Towing was the 4x2 with the long bed? Good information! 👍👍👍
5:08 it actually most likely the cab “exhausters.” Cheap little plastic parts between cab and bed that let air out of the cab. They are the biggest offender for leaks, and people often mistake the leak to be coming from the center tail light or window
Thanks for sharing. I was looking at these for my next truck, but now I don’t think so.
Absolutely My 2019 Ram Truck w a Hemi around town all day gets 11MPG , If I pull am pulling a 8k trailer and I have the tow package plus trailer brakes I get abput 9mpg. Its Amazing that Car companies get to just OUTRIGHT LIE about real world MPG.. But Ram really takes the cake and is the biggest offender . And I do not have a heavy foot I just drive it. My cars I drive all get near the MPG,albeit of course 3 or 4 mpg less
2021 big Horne and not issues and it been subjected to heavy work and towing heavy a lot and zero problem 118k miles 🤷🏻♂️
I have a 2022 warlock 5.7 hemi no e-torque. I'm getting 17-18 around town and over 20 on the hiway. Problem with e-torque, that nobody's talking about is how much horse power it takes to run the e-torque. It takes about 12 horse power to run the old type fans so I can imagine it takes quite a bit to run e-torque. They also don't tell you about how much it costs to replace the 48v battery. ($8,000). It's the same as the start-stop feature, it's a joke. I've two vehicles with start-stop and I've tested it several time with it on and off and I always get better MPG with it off. Just another sales pitch .
i have an 2021 etorque now but before a had regular hemi 2013 and 2018 same mpg for all of them in my case around 12 in town, still love the truck so im good
Interesting, seem like lots of people complain about real VS advertised mileage. I am looking at a 2023 Classic 4WD crew cab with the Pentastar, it had the chrome package, limited slip, rugs and towing though it will NEVER see any towing from me. I have a 2023 Tuscon SEL AWD but i have a house in WV that having a pick-up will be beneficial for, i think they are rated about 16 city and 21 hwy. You know i had a 96 Grand Cherokee with the 5.2 for 12 years as a winter vehicle and it got 12 mph city and the 5.2 was about 210-220 hp not 400 like the HEMI. The truck i am looking at lists for 48 grand and i can buy for 40, if i buy i am getting the BED RUG and a nice tonneau
Every driver will get different mpg, raising the front 2” is really upsetting the aerodynamics
Lol I think you got a lemon, I’ve never had leaking in any of my rams from the tail lights. Still get 18-20mpg, get about 500 miles to a tank
Maybe. I know of a few others with similar disappointing results. It appeared as though this ram would only enter “eco” mode under 60mph. The brake light is a widespread issue.
The instantly leaking third brake light and the manifoild bolts breaking off around 40,000 miles are the two most common failures on the entire platform.
@@robertannable9584 I have never had one leak from the third brake light and I’ve been driving Ram trucks for a long time.
I’m driving a rental (2023 ram 1500 big horn). Very comfortable ride but the etorque makes the acceleration/deceleration feel jerky. Like a dead spot in the brake and gas pedal. I don’t like it
Thanks for the Candid info...fuel economy is definitely a big consideration when purchasing a ETorque engine. Not a good look on Fiat/Chrysler.
You should get a Tow Package if you want to "tow".
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew Cab 5.7l short bed that tows a travel trailer that is 29ft tongue to back. 5400lbs empty.
Add full water,clothes and storage across the whole front of the trailer and you are looking at over 6,000lbs. I sometimes forget its back there......
WITH A FREAKING "TOW PACKAGE"!!!
Come on man. Know how to use your truck.
You need a .... "Tow Package".
Wow!!!!
Tell me you don’t know what comes in the “tow package” without telling me lol. Gotta look at the actual specs. Utilizing a Uhaul trailer negates the biggest addition to the truck via a “tow package” option - the brake controller. The mirrors are the only other addition via that package. All lvl 2 equipped ram 1500s come with class 4 receivers, HD oil coolers, big alt., etc. Do some research before commenting dude.
I’ve got a 2021 Ram 1500 Bighorn with 5.7 321 gear also I’ve got tow package I get 20.2 mpg hwy at 65 mph. I’ve towed 7000 to 7500 with no issues.
Before I leveled the truck I was averaging around 16/17 driving 70-75. Any slower and I’d have to park it at 55 in the slow lane. California’s don’t tolerate campers in the fast lane.
Rebel rims & tires are 1/2 again as heavy as the stock rims and tires (I did the same change). Increasing the height at the front of the truck changes your aerodynamics. And you're towing, which skews your mileage from EPA ratings a LOT. You can't compare a diesel vs gasser for towing. And all trucks these days will have bedsides that bow like that... They're making them lighter for better EPA ratings. Your complaints about the manifold is valid. But is covered under warranty.
The mileage shown was without towing. Ram rebels have the same MPG ratings so, the wheels and tires should have no impact. Leveling the truck most certainly impacted my economy. That was probably the only mod that truly did. Losing 33% efficiency by simply leveling the truck is pathetic. My old ‘99 Dodge Ram 1500 felt more stable towing on the road (although severely underpowered). While this truck was decent for what it was, I don’t see how they command such an astonishing price tag.
@@sorta_stock Well, I can't fault you on the price tag... But like everything else, prices have gone up way more than they should have.
As for the difference between Rebel and big horn, I do not believe they tested both a Rebel and a "stock" truck. They're both 1500s therefore they both got the same numbers.
When I went to the larger, heavier rims and tires, I lost about 1.5mpg of city driving. Which is what's expected according to the reading I did online before doing the swap. It's quite obvious that if you change the weight of the tires, it's going to cost you in mileage - all the starting from a stop is a lot of interia to get moving.
As for towing, I'm not sure what the problem you experienced was, but I towed an enclosed trailer over 6000km across Canada packed with all my belonging that was well over 5000lbs. Through mountains in Winter. I averaged 13.8mpg for the trip. And I had no issues towing it, without any load balance help.
Is it possible your trailer is not properly balanced? Is the replacement suspension you put in causing problems? Etc etc.
In any case, I'm assuming it's long gone from your possession now, so it's a moot point - but I just think your experience is not the norm with these trucks. I'm on my 3rd and I stil like mine.
3.21 that's where you messed up. I tow all the time, travel trailer all loaded up. No problem at all even in Vale Colorado. 9 mpg towing in that environment but 18-22 any other time on the highway and 17 mixed.
The 3.21s weren’t really that noticeable when towing to be honest. The truck has more than enough power for the job. I figured the gears would improve mpg unloaded but, I just didn’t see it.
You should choose the classic if you don’t like the auto start/stop and save some money. I feel the most thing that e-torque help is for start the engine.
Unnoticeable shifting also
i have a 21 night edition and bro its the best truck ever. its my 4th ram and ive loved them all. one thing i learned since day 1 is that you shouldnt buy a ram with a hemi if money is a concern in your life. they require alot of maintenance, repairs are expensive, mods are a must, and they always have electrical issues. point of my post is. rams are the best, just not for broke people. you need a 4cyl if you want good mpg. this is just my personal opinion. i dont buy them for work or because i tow. they make beautiful dailys.
Got no problem with 10mpg (I build and own classics mainly). I just don’t think the new rams are worth the bank note with what’s offered. The 10mpg combined with a 21 gal tank is ridiculous. Needs a tank range of at least 400 miles. Not 270 like this truck was. I switched back to a gen 3 Ram and couldn’t be happier. Currently building a ‘77 Ramcharger to eventually daily.
I just bought a brand new 24 Big Horn. I opted for the V6 because I don’t need it for towing or hauling. Did get the 4X4 because we tend to have some snowy winters. It seems like I’ve read about more problems coming from the V8 than the V6.
MPG’s has a lot to do with the person driving. You may put your foot into a little bit more from stop to go. You may drive a little faster on the highway. It just depends. I get almost 25 mpg in mine. But like I said, it depends on the driver. I never go over 65 on the highway and I don’t take off very fast.
And I forgot I pull a 6200 pound RV about 15 times a year. No issues. Love the video thanks.
Interesting review on your truck. It sounds like you prefer a Cummins over a gas, so why did you opt for a half ton when you had a 1 ton? You can't compare the two. Of course a 1 ton is going to tow better and handle better towing than a half ton. A 1500 can tow, but it's not made to tow consistently or with heavy loads. I've towed with my half ton 1500, but does it tow like my 2500 or 350 did, most certainly not. I also don't tow as much as I used to which is why I opted to go with a half ton. Plus now I spend a lot more time driving for my job. I also think driving style has a lot to do with your mpg. If you live in the city and you deal with stop and go traffic all the time your mpg is going to be garbage. If you have a heavy foot and like to hear your Hemi come to life your mpg is going to suck. Now, if I drove how I like to drive, which is with a heavy foot and like to pass everything but the fuel station, then my mpg would be about 10 mpg. However, I've learned to tone it back and set my cruise control and do the speed limit on the highway, and I'm averaging 20mpg with the 26 gal tank. I wish I had the larger tank, but I bought it used. The problem with all new trucks is they all have issues, they are not made well, components are cheaply made but expensive to replace, and they don't last. Nothing is made like it used to. The manufactures don't care about this, because they know consumers will buy their products anyway. This is my first Ram, and only time will tell if I decide to keep it. The days of having a vehicle for 20 years are over. Appreciate your review and honesty. Have fun with the Cummins.
I do love the gen 3 Cummins trucks but, was wanting something a little newer with more space for the little ones. I was expecting a downgrade in towing capability but, didn’t realize it would be so drastic. Especially since the tow “ratings” were similar. I went back with an older Dodge and let the wife get something newer for the road trips.
Honestly, I think what affected you was the lift. Even a 2in can have a big effect on naturally aspirated cars. You CAN get away with it in a turbo’d vehicle.
Not being fair to the truck. You have to have trailer brakes when towing heavier trailers.
The tow wasn’t that heavy. That’s the thing. It was a lightweight race car. About 5k lbs for the car and trailer combined. I liked the truck. It just wasn’t worth the money given it’s performance.
Wait. So you’re saying a 35OO tows better than a 15OO???? Shock&horror
I have same year same engine, 4x4 off road and tow package groups. No mods yet. As for 1/2 tons go I have never been impressed with any manufacturers tow #'s because in my experience it was always a "white knuckle" experience with any decent weight behind me. Acceleration, STOPPING, and as you said "getting pushed around". Now I'm talking hd trailers, loaded grain wagons, anhydrous nitrogen tanks. Absolutely go with a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel for those/your common applications. But also, even though it shouldn't, IMO, Anytime you level a 1/2 ton and then you put that tongue weight on it completely disrupts the handling of the 1/2 ton alot more than the larger trucks unless you compensate for it with rear airbags or such. My truck doesn't come close to Rams stated MPG either but in fairness i don't go on long drives as of yet either to get data. I am gonna put in a S&B CAI along with a tuner very soon in order to turn off the MDS, hopefully get better performance and mpg, or at least stay about the same mpg, out of her. I think that even if you did these mods your not gonna get what you hope for out of a 1/2 ton. Now for you guys with the 5th wheel or gooseneck trailers don't even bash this post because that is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT handling experience (fo the better) with ANY truck, i am talking added tongue/hitch weight. I wish level kits didn't affect pulling (heavy) hitch trailers with 4x4 1/2 ton trucks but in my experience they do and ALOT more than a 3/4 or 1 ton. All manufacturers lie on their #'s but i think Ram really streches theirs at least on mpg. Get your 3/4 or 1 ton, sacrifice the ride quality but have what you need
My 21 5.7 torque gets 21.2 without towing. Just got it and this is after a 1000 mile average
Crazy. My 20 5.7 etorque gets 18.5 average . 23highway 15. City
Thats why I am keeping my 2016 4x4 4thgen, why to pay for a dif costume for extra 20 to 30 k, if I can add them to my truck and make it a monster, and still pay gas money hehe
the trailer breaks was your problem i tow a 18foot travel trailer with my 2020 and have no problem with the trailer breaks and using tow mode. 1 would have never bought the etourque
Definitely wouldn’t advise someone to get the e-torque. I went back to a 07 Dodge 1500 mega cab hemi and couldn’t be happier. I forget the uhaul is even attached.
Great Vid... Thanks!
When you drive with your right foot planted to the firewall you are going to get 12mpg.
Drove my 99 Ram 1500 the exact same way. It too got around 12mpg. Go look at the 5th gen Ram forums and see how common 12mpg is with these trucks.
Haha I get that on a good, flat highway, my man! Really getting on the pedal in one of these trucks will get you about 9 mpg. Same with towing. Still the best half-ton money can buy. The Hemi V8 and ZF-8 speed are an absolute rear-wheel-drive-dream together.
I get consistent 18mpg with mine and I tend to have a heavy foot
Is the $1600.00 for front and rear seats? Just wondering as i just bought a 2023 Warlock
Yes, that was front and rear seats with installation
@@sorta_stock Thanks, i might check it out, truck will be paid for in a few months. You should be able to get a good price for your truck as i was looking at used 1st and when i considered the cost of used with high mileage and unknown maintenance records which i am fussy about i just bought a new one. I got mine for
$42,800 with plenty of useful options like tow pack which includes 355 gears
[for the V-6], power and heated rear window, power driver's seat and full-length console, fog lights, tow hooks, full sized spare and other things, list was $52,000. It just hit 500 miles and on the 2nd fill up i got 16.8 MPG mixed so not complaining though the HEMI is supposed to get the same mileage or close but it was on the lot and buyers take whats available. My truck will have an easy life without towing, yes i like power from time to time so maybe in the future i will get a Big Horn HEMI and the 392 gears? Higher tier trucks now are far from cheap, easy to spend 65-70 grand on a loaded RAM, a Tacoma costs as much as i paid for mine and it has the 6 ft 4 bed because mine is the quad cab so i am more than happy with mine.
i have a 2021 laramie 4x4 etorque also 2 inch level kit and best i can do in town is 11
You can’t say the “hybrid” if you literally say you turn it off. You’re burning so much gas sitting at lights. I turned mine off to until I realized its benefits. It also adds over 100lbs of torque
I didn’t do a lot of city driving when I had it so, the start/stop feature wasn’t a factor in the poor fuel economy. Plus, the system would never truly be off. It still applies torque during transmission shifts and acceleration from a stop. I’ll take a standard “non-hybrid” version any day of the week.
Man, I dont have hardly any of these issues, hmm
The forums are riddled with unhappy folks. If you’ve got a pickup that hasn’t had these problems then hold onto it and enjoy. They really are great pickups. Just not worth their asking price imo. Maybe after 3-4 years of use
I have a 2021 Etorque Limited(5.7 V8) I average about 21 mpg and driven 510 miles to a full tank. I have a 27 gallons tank..If you changing a lot of components then you may have cause the issue yourself.
Only the 2” level was added. Before the level, I was averaging about 16mpg. Are you in a very flat area?
Have you ever had any issues out of the transfer case? Seen alot of bad things about the clutch driven transfer case on forums but your truck seem to perform flawless.
I actually really liked the clutch driven TC. I uploaded an off-road review on the truck last July where I pushed it pretty hard. The pickup handled it beautifully.
Where did you get those blue knobs ?
Picked them up from Amazon for around $15 bucks
Still getting broken exhaust manifold bolts
These etorque systems are back by 80k mile warrenty I believe
They’ve got decent coverage but, the dealership won’t give you a lender vehicle and they’ll usually hold your truck for a few weeks through completion
Cars and trucks are now very heavy now!!! Trx weighs 5900lbs!!
Any hvac issues?
I didn’t have any nor hear of others experiencing hvac failure. With that said, my wife’s 2020 RT Durango did have the AC unit fail after 2 years. Not sure if they share parts.
@@sorta_stock OK that’s good news, there appear to be a lot of blend door issues 2019 and 2020. Where it just didn’t get cold enough. Might be resolved by 2021. Thank you.
I don’t follow. You tow? But purchase something with no trailer brake controller? No brakes on trailer. Plus change suspension? So I am not quite sure what you’re reviewing.
Really? Hard to understand that many people opt for a level truck while still expecting it to complete basic functions? My gen 3 is lifted 6”… tows like a dream. Even with a simple uhaul trailer
There must be something wrong with your RAM I travel a lot and I averaged 22
Maybe. I do know of many other 5th gens that get horrible mileage but, maybe it’s a freeway speed thing. Here in CA we average 75mph on the freeway
I have a 2021 3.6 big horn bro with 35 lol with 2 in leveling kit I get 13.1 Nile per gallon lol
Did you level yours?
Yup. Used Fox coilovers to level it
@@sorta_stock Okay are you happy with the 33" tires after leveling? Trying to decide what I'm going to do!
So what’s next?
Nvm
A 5000 lb trailer with no brakes ! no wonder it pushed the truck , how else was it supposed to stop ? Here in Europe any trailer over 1650 lbs must be fitted with brakes !
Those rental trailers have a braking system but, it’s an automatic system that requires the towing vehicle to brake first. Means you can’t set a drag to straighten it out while coasting down hill.
@@sorta_stock Ahh , over run brakes . we have the same system here in Europe
Thank you
5 bucks a gallon!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Man, that California sunshine sure is expensive.
I don’t know why you would EVER tow an unbreaked load. That’s a death wish. The bighorns are a great truck.
Uhaul trailers are not "unbraked." They just dont have electronic controls to help set drag when going downhill. They require the tow vehicle to brake first to initiate their onboard braking system. Honestly, my wife's 2020 RT Durango felt better towing than this 2021 Ram 1500.
Should never even come close to towing max on 1500....especially a Ram....had 21 Laramie and wasnt that impressed, dumped it after 6 months thank god market was bananas so didnt lose a dime....got a 2500 and never going back to 1500....just on bed space alone.....5ft box is a joke
My 5.7 got 12mpg avg, beautiful motor but not for MPG.....they are notrious for sucking gas
Two things you didn't mention - the gear ratio (you did say it was like Rebel, so I am assuming you have 3.92) and Fuel tank size. I am in process of buying one with 3.21 and I am going to go for 33 Gallons tank. 26 gallon is also an option, but what is surprising is that most 2023 Ram with 5.7 were ordered with 23 gallon tanks by dealer, at least in my area.
I mentioned that it has the 3.21s early on in the video. I didn’t mind the ratio from a drivability standpoint. Did good offroad as well. I’d be afraid to see what my mpgs would’ve been with 3.92s. This Ram had the 23 gal fuel tank. I’m not sure why such a small tank is even offered tbh.
@@sorta_stock Thanks and sorry I missed that detail. Wow, that is disappointing MPG with 3.21. Agree 23 gallon on V8 should not even be offered as an option.
If you can drive the truck with 33 gallons without stopping you are a champ. That's about 9 hours without a stop.
Be careful with the Diesel rams.
They are no longer like the pre 2007 diesels. All kinds of emission controls on them and they do not get the same fuel milage and are very unreliable because if any of the emission control equipment fails that causes issues with engine. Very expensive to fix and the dealerships are full of them being repaired so it takes forever.
2019 ram limited POS!!! never again. Worst mistake of my life! Currently waiting on my court date as I am suing the manufacturer. 😢
I’m definitely not a fan of the heavy technology integration. I went back to a gen 3 mega cab and couldn’t be happier.
$1600 for seats, please don’t when complaining about $5 a gallon
Do you understand that $5-6/gal equates to an extra $3,000 in fuel within a single year? (calculating a 12k mile average)
You turn of the start and stop feature then bitch about MPG. 😂
I have had a 2012, 2017, 2018 and 2022 and never had any window leaks, tow problems.
In the 17, 18 & 22 I averaged 19-22 MPG.
Start and stop feature does nothing for highway mpg. The forums are filled with folks discussing these issues. The massive MPG hit with something as basic as a leveling kit is disappointing. 6” lift would be understandable.
@@sorta_stock The auto stop start affects your mpg calculations. If your highway mpg are that low you need to learn how to drive more efficiently and not lead foot the pedal all of the time.
@@MRKNIGHT cruise control @ 5-10mph over is the standard out here in CA. No interest in being parked in the slow lane as many others would agree
22 mpg @ 60mph
Bro, what the are you doing with those blue dials, and aftermarket leather seats. Lmao, no bedliner either you never needed a truck.
that mpg is sus
bench seat is better.
No need to talk down on rebel, rebel wheels 🤣
Really, you’re not cool, officer 🤣
You lost me. Rebels are cool pickups. Not a lot different than this particular Bighorn. The wheel & tire combo they have were good enough for me to seek them out.
Once you change things from stock, lift, reducing aerodynamics, and no bed liner - these are going to affect mileage. Period.
It was essentially just a leveling kit. Wheels and tires are OEM Rebel (same mpg rating). I don't know a single person who likes the stock stance. Regarding bed liner... this truck didn't have it. I doubt bedliner plays a roll at all, honestly.
Don’t agree
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Gas mileage is bad
It’s just an overpriced FIAT 😂😂😂
The EPA rating is kinda full of shit still. They don't factor in tires. Those tires hurt you more than you think. Not only is the tread more drag, but there is more mass as well. Is your speedo still accurate after that? Most trip computers MPG are not that accurate. Then the suspension stuff you did, doesn't help either. Those 5.9 cummins only get 15mpg empty.
Step dad's '22 Silverado 1500 5.3 2wd crew short got 15mpg going 80mph on a road trip. Gas tank was 24-26gallons.
As someone who tows with a car (Coil suspension) I got a lot less shudder from the trailer when I added airbags. I think all rams and the Raptor have coils in the rear and it makes them horrible for towing. Around '18 my bosses got the new ram 1500. 4x4, 5.7. One was complaining how it didn't tow good compared to his old f150. ('13?)
Have swapped between the same tires with my gmc with 3.0 duramax. Went from 22mpg to 19-20, pretty significant impact, I think 10-15% is pretty normal going to an aggressive tread
Raising the truck increases wind drag and reduces MPG you should know that.