Witness Testifies To Video Of Crime - Was Fatal Altercation on Apple River Self-Defense? WI v. Miu
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They were so afraid of the older man that they kept laughing the whole time 😂
Yeah, they were clearly not afraid of him. Still manslaughter I think.
I mean we first have to see all evidence, but so far I think he didn't do what he could to avoid the conflict, he wasn't under the influence and he was the adult *and* approached *them*. All witnesses that don't belong to the defense claim he hit a woman first comes on top. Then he didn't talk to the police but instead tried to hide evidence. Also seems like he stabbed that one girl while she wasn't even facing him.
I have no horse in this race, all I'm saying is it doesn't look good for him.
@@benfrese3573you, an impartial observer, are a rare soul in this age😂 i too have no dog in the race but I feel like a hung jury is more likely.
@user-vy5fx4hk6h Why did the older man rub up to the group and grabbed on one of the guys legs? Also, if he was afraid for his own life. Why not leave when the 1st girl who approached him told him to leave. Seems to me he had plenty of opportunity to leave, but stayed for some reason. To fuel the intense moment and confrontation because that's the smartest thing to do?
@@robertomurri1278 if that’s what you got from watching the full video from me Cockfield then there’s no amount of explanation that will help you understand.
@RyanNicholas33 Alright. That's fine. Btw, what do you mean by "me cockfield". Lol
This guy sees his friend, under water, dying & his first reaction is to turn his phone around, in SELFIE mode, so he captures his facial expression, instead of helping him....... selfish friend should be ashamed of himself!!
He didn't know it was him at that moment but I do believe he instigated the whole thing and caused the death
@@gingerelle101 it lead to it com on
Grown man walk away. Something was wrong with this man.
@@AllBECKnoBITE victim blaming at its best
I heard apparently the mom of Issac (the lad that died) gave this ‘witness’ a scholarship. As a mother, I’m pretty sure I’d be holding him at least partly responsible for the whole thing.
Dude, they were screaming pedophile, rapist, saying he's looking for little girls, over and over and over.
They were taunting him. They surrounded him. They pushed him. They hit him, knocking him down into the water. They shoved him down into the water from behind while someone else hit him from the front. When he got back to his feet, they went after him some more - but, he had pulled out a lil buck knife and he used it to defend himself.
You need to watch the original videos (the one's that weren't conveniently deleted) as well as the court testimony.
This guy's video and testimony is incredulous - he exacerbated the whole altercation.
BTW - The suspect was looking for a cell phone that had fallen in the water; he thought this guy was holding up the phone that he was looking for... so he waded through the water to these tubers. This guy suggests that he didn't hear the suspect explaining why he had come over to their tubes - but, he didn't care, as he was already screaming at the suspect, inciting the mob.
This guy started it by lying. He’s playing CYA, because he knows why his friend got k1lled.
Are you forgetting that Miu ran up to them and grabbed their tibes and legs? He created the weird situation. The immature teens reacted to that, immaturely.
Have to watch the entire video to get a sense of what happened here. The video does not show Nicoli punching the woman, however it is clear that they are invading his personal space and yelling at him. The women put their hands on him and he attempted to push their hands off. It is as if when he attempts to put space between himself and the yelling women, that is all the justification the crowd needs to attack him. Also in listening to the audio it is clear the mob is completely confident in their superiority of numbers and their ability to dominate Nicoli with impunity. It is also important to note that once the second group gets there, the only escape route Nicoli has is towards deeper water. Wisconsin does not have a duty to retreat and even if it did, Nicoli could not have done that safely when they continued to follow him.. After he was punched and slapped twice in the water, he attempts to get up and a man in yellow trunks pushes behind his shoulders as if to push him back down in the water. He does get back up and yellow shorts attempts to attack again putting his hands around the mans neck and that is when he stabbed him in the midsection. Seems clear self defense to me..
Apple River- I’ve floated down it many times. Im actually not surprised this happened. There’s a sense of danger of drunk people constantly
I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more. Everyone knows the goal of river tubing in Wisconsin is to get trashed.
I have as well . Many times , a drunk older man once was bothering us..we ignored him and thankfully he just left and went to.bug other people on the river . It's sad this happened ..this place use to be really fun there long time ago .. 😢
Same
I’ve been going down that river for many years. We never had a problem. Yes there were drunk people but the never bothered the other groups.
My thoughts exactly! Or even some of the other Wisconsin tubing hot spots- wolf, wisconsin, etc
Imagine instigating a situation, and your best friend loses their life over it. smh
Imagine being the only one of that group dead because he decided to attack the old guy as well. The group that was getting stabbed was not part of the group the kid belonged to. All his buddies got out of the way
@@dereckrivera5912I see so many different opinions it’s great to see. I personally think the verdict can go either way. It’s a sad situation. I wouldn’t have handled it like Miu did but, is he guilty in the eyes or the law? That’s to be seen. Would an appeal work out? This is going to be an interesting outcome for sure.
“For the culture”
He's to dumb to even understand he got a person killed.
It is so sad! 😢
I am close to 60 years old and have been bullied and attacked by intoxicated people. I was horribly afraid FOR Mr. Miu. I probably would have reacted the exact same way if they harassed me and then assaulted me. He was smart enough to not touch them first.
Yup, I've been jumped before and woke up in the hospital with a brain bleed, 6 broken ribs, tooth through my lip and they curb stomped my fucking arm. My hand was hanging there by skin and tendons. Took me 3 years to have 80% use of my left hand again. All because I was wearing a suit(cousins wedding) walking from the venue to the car and looked like I had money. I wish I had a knife or my pistol on me but alas I was in that shitehole state of NY so I wasn't sure what I was able to bring with.
He walked away & then came charging back and then had multiple times to just leave.
@@drewbienewbie03xx81glad you recovered
@@tomsanger5548 No he did not.
So you'd go back to people you had a conflict with before but this time you bring a knife?
Cause that's at least one reasonable scenario here.
I'm not saying one is guilty/not guilty, but i find it irritating how many people seem to be so sure.
Why were these kids not charged with assault?
DAMN GOOD QUESTION ACTUALLY !
Because they're just kids🙄🤮
That's probably gonna happen
@@rubyslippers9348 They're not though. They're all over 18.
@@Constitutionalist76at the time of the incident and assaults some of the dummies were 17
I hope Nick gets off Scott free. This was clearly a self-defense reaction. These kids were acting like disrespectful, out of control animals. Being in the water, made it all that more dangerous for him. These kids swarmed him, harassed him, got in his face, touched him, pushed him. I don’t know what People expect somebody’s going to do and how they’re supposed to react in a situation like that. Laughing and taunting him does not equal being creeped out and afraid of him. The video doesn’t match their words. If they were so creeped out by him like they claimed, why didn’t they continue to float on down the river and get away from him. I’m so sick of entitled and bully type kids today. Everybody wants a video to put on social media and that’s what they were looking for.I have two boys, 22 years old and one 25, both military. They would’ve offered to help him find the phone. They would never act like this! They were raised right!
I hope this POS gets life in prison like he deserves!
Well, Miu was found guilty, but Isaac lost his life and a few other have permanent scars so maybe they'll all learn something from this.
Before cross examination- my opinion :
Group of men fighting a man alone , in the water, definitely presents fear for life. Such a shame for the loss of that young man’s life. Should never have happened. There is provocation to and fro- but I would have feared for my life.
he wasn't alone on the river he also was with a group of people, one which came up to the group but didn't get involved you know, like a real adult. Also the group of adults that came over to help the old guy but when they reached the group they heard what was going on and started defending the group of teenagers. That says something to me.
He wasn't alone first of all and second of all those teams didn't even put hands on him until after he punched the female in the face and pulled her hair from behind and even after that all they did was kind of push him in the water to push him up off of her and I think one guy might have slapped him but they didn't all just start beating him down like everyone's claiming. These are 17 year old football players if they were really punching him and trying to beat him up that dude would have been out cold laying in that water floating. They weren't trying to hurt the guy in the video proves that because like I said if they are really trying to hurt him he would have never got up and prior to that the dude had so many chances to leave and they weren't stopping him from leaving they weren't blocking his path or impeding his movements he had every chance to leave but he chose to stay and fight
Same here.
He was very afraid charging over to them and grabbing there floats. Then defiantly standing there instead of walking away. Secretly holding a knife in case drunk kids push him. What a poor afraid, victim.
@@LL-wc4wnRight! He had the knife out and then escalated the situation by provoking a physical altercation. The self defense argument doesn't hold up.
The defense attorney is excellent. He goes frame by frame
The reason these kids are so emboldened is because at school the jocks bully other kids and staff turns a blind eye they want to win the championship and that would likely not happen if they held them accountable for their actions , we all know it but nobody talks about they should be held accountable ! So they wouldn't think theyre invincible .
This
Not defending the actions of the “kids” (most of whom were adults), as two wrongs don’t make a right, but I assume the suspect could have gone back to shore and called the police instead of staying near the group and later engaging in a mass stabbing.
Both sides escalated this unnecessarily, but only one side killed and injured people.
⭐️ The guy who videoed is also culpable. He instigated the whole incident, then kept escalating and inciting violence.
Agree 💯
Agree.
Indeed, he is! He hyped everyone up and then laid back and watched. His friend’s death is his fault!
Yes he is
Just look at him
Do you think those young men lied under oath about the "looking for little girls" comment? And only mention it after the fact, none mentioned it in their police statements?
100% they lied under oath. None of them told that STORY to the cops.
Yea exactly
And he was looking around the water searching something. How is he looking for little girls in the water? Which pedo walks around announcing they're looking for little girls? Makes no sense
I think the def might have called the boys little girls.
I think it was like the game telephone. He said. " Looking for snorkel" .
They hear 'girls '.
It sounds like these kids were the instigators of the argument and the assault on Miu…it sounds more and more like self defense.
I've had 2 fights break out at my workplace where surveillance footage captured a group of teen bullies acting just like these kids, antagonizing and bullying a person who was clearly not seeking out a conflict. In each case, the person who was taunted threw the first punch. In each case, the police watched the footage and refused to press charges against the person who threw the first punch. They asked the teens what they expected to happen. Granted, if there'd been serious injury or loss of life, arrests would have been made. However, the police were crystal clear that the logical outcome of intense bullying was going to be a punch to the face, and they told both sides to knock it off and leave each other alone.
Among other very good reasons to not be a bully, one very good reason is that you never know if the person you're frightening & humiliating has a knife in their pocket.
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All sounds reasonable, but does that mean you think the defendant did the right thing?
I mean depending on the circumstances it could be just what he did, but when I watch that video and hear the witnesses and take his his overall behavior into account I have a hard time to consider him innocent.
I ultimately do not know if he is guilty or not, but currently I'd be surprised if he walks.
So it make perfect sense to you 4 kids getting stabbed for words ?
He didn’t have to confront these kids, just walk away
@@elpapito7809 you are wrong and probably work for satan or blm or maybe grand theft auto lol
I’m SOOOO stoked you are covering this!!!
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100%
It is not a television show filmed for entertainment."stoked"🥺?
It is very common to have a utility knife while tubing. It is used to cut the rope to tie the tubes together.
Really?? Have you ever done a float in that area? NOBODY BRINGS KNIVES!
@@lorithompson9042 the defendant's friend specifically told him to bring a knife because the last time they went tubing, they needed a knife to cut the rope at the end of the float.
That wasn’t a utility knife! That blade looked at least 3 in long!!!
@@lorithompson9042 I have floated on the apple. you have no idea if people have knives or not. or do you interrogate everyone?
But he had no tube or tubes
Those kids taunted that man beyond measure and the girl was no help either! They're all guilty and I hope the jury sees right through those guys and that girl. I'm sorry a life was taken and that man should be held accountable for what he did, but those kids were drinking and smoking pot beforehand, and they thought they were cool and slick! The tears they are shedding are for themselves! I have no sympathy for them or that girl.
Yup. Nobody taught these youngins about what's prosecutable or what respect your elderr smeans
I wish I could give you 100 thumbs up!!!
Just a bunch of bullies. I’m a 62 yr old woman and this scares me - I would never dream it would be wrong to defend myself against something like this.
Do you think you would have walked away, or not have approached them, leave?
And then go back to them?
@@SC-ls3ivExactly! He agreesively ran up on them, walked away, came back....while armed. Smh...
What about a creepy old man lurking around young women with a knife? He could have just ignored the rude comments and walked away. Instead he punches a girl in the face and stabs 4 people from 3 different groups of people. he obviously has a violent temper.
He punched a girl in the face. That was the start of physical confrontation. Old drunk out of control people are scary.
Well I would hope you would be mature enough to not get aggressive with a bunch of teens over some words.
They should show that video to high school boys to show them that you never know who you are dealing with. Things can go south very quickly. Just walk away!
This was my thoughts as well…..very important for them to see and how fast things happen
No high school boys are invincible. Especially jocks and football players while underage drinking
Yet all of them on the stand didn't seem to have that coming to Jesus moment even though one of their friends lost their life
He approached them.
@@maree81 they went to him. They said he was being “weird “ and asked what he was doing and couldn’t hear his response bc they were too far away. When they got closer the asked again and then started calling him Pedo and Raper. Mui did try to leave but they followed then the chicks came with their friends coming over
Definitely can see how it gets to self defense. The guy filming was the instigator. I think he has a lot of blame here for creating this situation.
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9:35 What kids? Is he referring to himself and his friends? The victims are the kids? Who/where are the kids?
@@concernedfriend.9329She was not an innocent teenage girl 😂 this is a blatant lie and the reason our entire country is a laughing stock.
WORLD STAR
there’s a reason people have to watch out for creepy old guys. He antagonized them by running up to them and touching them, then to punch a girl! These kids were clearly alarmed at first. Asking him what he’s doing and telling him to leave, then the women had to step in, not only did he refuse to leave when they tried to get him to leave, but he hurts one of them. The old guy was bad news from the get go.
After reading some of the comments it’s no wonder why kids act the way they do these days. They’re out of control in schools and basically everywhere believing nothing will happen to them, and sadly they FAFO that some people don’t take kindly to disrespect and/or bad behavior even if they’re just “joking”. People saying the man should’ve just walked away should also be saying the “kid” should’ve just kept his mouth shut and this wouldn’t have happened. Had this kid not instigated drama trying to be “cool” this would have never happened in the first place so why couldn’t he have kept his mouth shut if he was so scared. Why do we not call out the bad behavior and bad choices made by all involved?
100% self defense and the person on stand in this video is the cause of it, he instigated it he pushed it he lied about the person accused, he at any point could have deescalated it and yet was having too much fun pushing it until it became bloody, the drinking and drugs did not help at all, going to need more supervision on the rivers it seems, got to babysit bullies that attack a gentleman looking for a phone and minding his own business, just imagine how this could have turned out for him as well if he did not defend himself, they would have beaten him and likely drowned him for absolutely nothing! Sad that someone lost his life in this but when you play with fire you can get burned!!!
All these kids have .20 levels when they got to the hospital God knows what they had before that and they're all lying about how much they drank
Still they didn't stab someone to death
@@benfrese3573 they received a hard lesson in consequences.
I do think the group antagonized him and I would have been pretty scared myself if I was surrounded like that.
Then you would have just walked away and not crept up on a group of teens constantly.
who had the knife...that old man should have never bothered them to begin with, he had intentions to do what he did
leave then dummy.
Does that then justify them punching him and kicking him in the head? They were circling him, looked like they were stopping him from leaving at some point (maybe not at the start).
He brought the knife to them... he could've walked away as welll
Thank you for covering this! This one has me torn. I think it’s self defense, but so sad
I’m with you & after watching the full testimony of this witness before coming here to see his reaction, it’s a shame Fox9 coverage wasn’t used. I believe this kid was the instigator & his friend lost his life by his stupid mouth & what came out of it exactly as the defense showed! I don’t see how the girl could have been punched & not filmed when he’s filming them & there’s no punch of this girl. It’s a very sad case since someone lost their life over something so stupid & could have all been prevented by people minding their own business! You can tell all the young people all got there story’s straight by communicating. Now a man could spend the rest of his life in prison over this kids stupid big mouth & bully after getting his friend killed! Where does it end?
He approached them 😂 nothing self defense about that. He should have MOVED ON, coming back to knife a bunch of kids is a complete felony. All those kids did was call him names. I just walk away and go home to whine about it and forget about it by the morning. No court cases and life stays normal. His reaction got him trouble no offense, most cell phones have insurance in case of lost/thief.
@@gunnybunny4081he’s smart - he saw the camera guy turn away and struck her in anger knowing all hell would break loose. He wanted payback for their bullying so he escalated it by grabbing the tube first. Then hitting Madison. Even a guy in his own group said he slapped her. He wanted it to escalate so he could use that knife - he was very angry.
@@cindylouwho9060 He didn't pull the knife out till they threatened and accosted him. He was looking for his friends phone and they pulled out a phone to record him while they were taunting him. He thought it was the phone he as looking for which is why he approached them. He gave up on that immediately after dropping his snorkel. They then incited a mob against him by lying. They should have moved on instead of escalating the situation. They weren't scared at all, they were laughing like excited chimps. He only attacked people who attacked him first. He didn't touch the people who were insulting him. He didn't even look back at the cameraman after going to look for his snorkel. This is self-defense.
I'm torn as well. Nearly all comments are so sappy stupid "be a victim and turn the other cheek." He was literally cornered by a rabid gang of prissy drunk idiots. He had no obligation to back down as he has no obligation to prove what he did, felt or said. That is the lawyers job.
When this kid really thinks about it later.in life . He got his friend killed. That's the truth. He instigated the entire situation too get where it ended.
"for the culture"
He literally will never care.
Peter, hope you continue to cover highlights. Always helpful to have your calm and neutral commentary on the strength of the case
I've watched this whole trial so far. This young man was the instigator of this whole tragedy. He kept his inebriated friends hopped up. They could of easily gone on. This was too much of an opportunity for Him to film some culture. This young man was a bully and an opportunist. You need to watch the whole video to understand why this defendant felt out numbered, surrounded, and struck back in defense. Both defense attorneys are excellent in defending their client. The individuals that came over to "help" were blitzed, too. How would you feel surrounded by 11 drunks, taunting, screaming, and calling you ugly names? Have you ever floated a river? I have many times. It's fun, refreshing, and something a family can do. The only thing that ruins it is the drunks along the way. Law and Crime Channel had clear audio and didn't leap stuff out.
He was also blitzed.
@@penelopejones2254 bull shit
I don’t know what he did for the culture. We don’t want any part of what he did. He is just as guilty and should be charged.
He also, probably thought they were going to drown him. Hold him under the water. The defendant may have feared for his life. Something to be considered in this case.
The man was a mature adult & should have realized these were nerdy hyenas who he should just walk away from. He chose to come charging back & acting defiantly.
I have never heard of this case and I am very interested. These gangs of young people abusing the weaker, mainly elderly, is shocking and of great concern to me as I age. I look forward to hearing the evidence. Thanks Peter.
Pro tip- learn when it’s time to walk away. Don’t punch a young woman in the face while surrounded by her friends.
As an adult you should know by now how to deescalate situations, especially when dealing with stupid drunk teenagers. There was about 20 different ways he could’ve handled that Situation without killing and hurting people.
@@Analaya749 You are right there were other options, but we shall see what the evidence shows. If I was surrounded by a group of drunk/high abusive young adults, not sure how I would react. Hopefully not violently, but if I thought it was the only option? Unless you/I were personally in the exact same situation, I don’t think I could judge another’s actions without hearing all the evidence. Have a nice day.
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This was great! Definitely keep covering this one. Very interesting.
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I watched this video and it’s so sad. But as an older person and seeing them taunt, disregard him and order him around I can see why Mr Mui would be afraid. Mob mentality is scary.
Old people should mind their own business
They called him a pedo
@@lllmillll young people should. The scary snorkeling 😱
@@lllmilllland children/teens should respect their elders and not continue to instigate a fight.
@@melstar83 respect ..? Lol respect is earned .. the old dude walked up on to them .. touched them .
And than processed to walk away , yet goes straight back towards them ...
Dudes insane , hope he rots in prison for hurting kids and killing one .
Convenient that there is no camera evidence of him ‘punching ‘ the woman when it’s been filmed, the defence are just asking them questions and little by little they are gonna trip themselves up….
Exactly... The defense attorney (Cory Chirafisi) was on Rittenhouses defense team and he handled cross examination the same way in that trial as he is in this... Using common sense and the evidence presented to turn the words of the witness into nothing but word salad. Aquit .
what do you think police did before phones had cameras?
There's no video of the punch, but there's video that it occurred. You can see the boys reacting. They literally all swarmed him as soon as it happened. Oh you think they all planned that reaction? Lmao
Notice how everything was no more than a childish name calling match until Mr self defense pulls out his knife? Then he initiates the skirmish which the boys react to?
@@TJ-so9xo but in this instance they had a camera didn’t they? And it appears there is no footage of him actually punching the female. So…you think they may have agreed to say he punched her? 13 people saying he punched doesn’t mean it happened does it…or are you that naive ?
@@richardrawden8894 Yes, they had a camera but it did not capture everyone in the groups 100% of the time. What did the police do before cell phone cameras....let all the criminals go free cuz it was video taped? There is more evidence than just the cell phone. Yes, all the witnesses say Mr Mui hit the girl first.
Thank you Peter for covering this. I would love more updates on this case.
Who or what raised these American kids to laugh at a potentially dangerous situation? If there are any doubts regarding the degredation of society, this video, the depraved laughing should remove all doubts.
Oh my gosh, I am so glad you are giving input on this! I watched day 1 and 2, and all I kept asking myself is what would Peter think about all this.
I find it hard to have sympathy for these kids
I agree. This being Peter’s channel, I also try to look at it from a legal standpoint…. And this doesn’t strike me as self-defense.
I also think losing your life, or seeing your friend losing their life… is horrible.
So I guess all at once I find these teens behavior gross, the defendants reaction horrible, and him not acting in self defense.
THEY ARE NOT KIDS!!! These are adults!!! I dont mean to yell, but a lot of people keep calling them kids. I just want to passionately point out that they are, in fact, not "kids."
@@terrystorey They are not adults either IMO. There is a vast difference in maturity for people aged 18/19 versus 35, yet both are classed as adults. It's nonsense, you know it and I know it. 18 year olds are dumb as shit.
He should have MOVED ON, coming back to knife a bunch of kids is a complete felony. All those kids did was call him names. I just walk away and go home to whine about it and forget about it by the morning. No court cases and life stays normal. His reaction got him trouble no offense, most cell phones have insurance in case of lost/thief.
@@cindylouwho9060he didn’t come back lol. He was walking away and was intercepted by the group of 20-24 year olds who escalated this to violence and then the teen group got their licks in.
I am so damn glad that you are covering this!! No one else is, that I can find!!
It's because it involves an African American instigated the event which would go against the MSM narrative of them being oppressed. We lived in a censored, pampered, time where your thoughts and what you think is happening in this world is being manufactured for you by the 1% in order for them to perceive they are in control of everyone. It's all propaganda. This is not news. This is a man who found himself in a self defense situation and did what he needed to do to stay alive.
This poor man was surrounded and attacked by a pack of teenagers! He was clearly afraid and defending himself
They didn't attack until he punched the girl in the face. He had multiple times to walk away as a mature adult but decided to escalate it. So many people in comments have a weepy victim complex its actually frightening.
"for the culture"
Fox 9 Minneapolis - St Paul UA-cam channel is covering this case and the sound is excellent, far better than court tv
That's where I was watching, too. Audio is way better
They were afraid, yet he kept 5:57 recording instead of helping his friends 🙄 The ones that came off the beach made the situation way worse. They should have stayed on the beach. He probably would have walked away. Drugs and alcohol are never a good combination in underage juveniles.
They were literally laughing from the time they started filming till way after the Asian guy got stabbed
Yep - as he was walking away they came toward him - then the group made it worse. The "witnesses" seemed to come up with a story to make them look better, but it is just worse. Horrible situation, but no prison time.
@@rachelk4703
People with legitimate self defense claims don’t throw the weapon away, put on a disguise, slip past the cops, ask the cops if someone was stabbed, lie about having a knife, lie about being attacked, lie about using their knife to stab the victims - all before he knew he was on video.
@@darwinawardcommitteeoh stfu. In that panic they do. How about ppl don't hit and attack another in a gang. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
right, and seeing how they all surrounded him and kept yelling and calling him a raperr...like who the fck raised you?!!
Keep going, we need you to review all today's testimonies! Wow. Not sure what to make of all this.
I have heard of groups of teens attacking and stalking older people, WITH AND WITHOUT Children while walking and minding their own business.
Yes. Many of these teen groups FILM it too. They say they are "pranking" people. Then they post their pranks on social media. Call it what it is: HARASSMENT! In this case the harassment of the teens led to 1 of their deaths because the grown man defended himself after being attacked by an drunken group of underage drinkers who were ADULTS! The saying: F'k Around and Find Out fits this situation 100%
The knockout games comes to mind.
@@rockstarofredondo These are nerdy teens not posing a physical threat but acting like hyenas. The black inner city knock out game is a whole different thing since that is not only serious physical assault but could end up as a homicide.
IMO these teens are text book description of self entitled bullies! Shame on them!
I totally agree
Yep! they caused on this - the girls, the brothers and the adult made it worse. It is a public place - nobody should tell him to leave. We do not know what happened before the guy started video taping too.
What about when they were floating and he came at them and grabbed their floats?? That's who started it.
He was walking towards him them with his very dangerous snorkel in his hands. What a waste.
@@neroliW
… then he grabbed them. Don’t forget that. Then he punched a woman.
Totally interested in this case. Watched a lot of it today. I hope you continue to cover.
Imagine dropping your phone in water… how frustrating and mad we all get when we lose our phones. Then you desperately search the river trying to find it, only to have a group of teens screaming “PED0! R@PIST!”
I didn’t hear 1 word the older man said because all the teens are screaming “PED0!”
How humiliating, how enraging!
Imagine someone doing this to your dad… he was just minding his business looking for his phone. When he got harassed and attacked by 10+ people calling him the worst name you can be called in public.
He is innocent. These kids asked for a fight and they got one.
Agreed, not guilty. People like to act like older teens are little babies. They aren't. They are adults. And this is the USA. Self-defense, up to lethal force, is a thing here. Fuck around and find out.
It wasn't his phone it was a froends and there is no proof
@@cade4245 Proof of what?
Agree
@@cade4245 there’s proof he never said “I’m looking for little girls.” Actually the guy recording said that and made up that he said it.
So regardless is snorkeling illegal? Why would you scream “ped0 and r@pist,” for a guy snorkeling? These kids were bullies looking to pick on someone. They got more than they bargained for.
Yes keep us updated please
Those "Wonderfully Raised" Teenagers surrounded him like a Pack of Hyenas and Swarm of Vultures
"for the culture"
Definitely cover this. This was self defense and provocation!!
You can't control any one else's behavior except for your own. He murdered a CHILD. In what world can someone exact a death sentence on a teen for being a shithead, and be seen as not guilty?
Calling someone names justifies murder?
@laurens1002 expect on video that child clearly ran into him. He didnt go chasing him. Issac ran straight to him and his heart punctured because of it
The first lesson we learn as a "child" keep your hands to your self. Sad situation
I think everyone in that group will think twice before running at someone when they think they have a numerical advantage over them and want to see someone beat up "for the culture"
@@momoneymoproblemz then why did Mr Mui run up to them first and grab their innertubes and why did he punch the girl in the face? Seems they had a right to kill him right then and there according to you.
@TJ-so9xo yeah he grabbed it and then backed off and looked for his snorkel he then turns his back to the group and is confronted by the 2nd group. The teens followed him up that point and hurled false accusations to get the 2nd group involved
Second the slap/punch is the only thing the victims have and none of them can get their story straight about it.
If I had to make an assumption based on the vid. He's not even making eye contact with the girls he's looking past them and waves to his group. They got in personal space and started touching him right? That's on video cant deny that
So I'm guessing he tried to brute force his way past them and got touched more and probably shoved the girl. That was all the group needed to attack, a reason.
I would say shoving someone and slapping someone when they're down and outnumbered is trying to kill someone.
Also based on the video he doesn't go after anyone. Everyone that gets stabbed lounged at him or gets in his space after the attack.
I'd argue against self defense if he chased after one of them to finished the job.
Issac has his hands around mius throat when he's stabbed. Is choking someone not lethal?
Thank you Peter for doing this. This is very interesting
I have watched everything I could find on this in the last few days. I started watching with an open mind. These “kids” assaulted and provoked this man. We have a right to defend ourselves. The older man was being beaten by two groups of men and women and he was in the water. Hopefully this is a wake up call for everyone, especially young adults. Every action has a reaction. If that was my dad it would’ve ended a lot worse for those young adults.
Would have ended worse than murder and multiple attempted murders? Your dad sounds unhinged
The fact that the defendant originally walks away but then turns back and walks back towards the group with a prolonged big smile on his face and a knife at the ready to me reduces the argument that he was afraid. He looks more like a guy who plans to teach these kids a lesson the hard way and he’s looking forward to it. Additionally he immediately lied rather extensively to the police which makes me feel he knows he did something he shouldn’t have.
When he walks from the front of the raft pack to the middle of river as he is stopped by the one lady you see him wave to a group of people up stream. He was returning to where he came from and was disengaged from either group when they reengaged with him in a threatening manner. Watch the video in .25 speed that is on their local fox channel and you see that happen. You also see him checking for his knife in pocket at that time and as he gets half circled by the mob he grabs the knife and has it at his side when the two girls go hands on him first.
The other group were not teens! They were adults telling him to go away. He was not feared and is seen smiling in the videos. He hit a woman! That is uncalled for and will ALWAYS have horrible repercussions! Yes, and then he threw his knife in the bushes and lied to police. If he was that scared he could have TALKED! But he didn’t and never really left the area.
@@markhumphries5191I’m curious if all 5 victims he stabbed had died would you still feel the same?
@@DaVinciSketch Whether people died or not is irrelevant to the law of self defence. If you want to bring emotions into this I suggest you stop watching a channel which is talking about the law. Lethal force is allowed for self defence in America. At what point a defendant should feel 'safe', ie has reasonably removed the threat, is another question for the jury to decide. To answer your question, if 5 people were stabbed at different times, he chased after them to stab them, no I would not consider THAT self defence. If he stabbed and killed 5 people all around him at that time, yes, still self defence.
Even if this really was first-degree murder, the victims are punks who had it coming, so jury nullification is virtually guaranteed here.
The teens were taunting him and being obnoxious 'I would be scared if a group of smart ass teens were harassing me too
If you're scared do you go towards the thing your scared of to start a fight?
And you would probably get the heck away from them like any other normal person. This guy was so scared of these foolish teens he punched a female not involved first?
@@v.housejohnson the ‘punch ‘ is heresay, there is no evidence that he punched her. Convenient that the cameraman didn’t film her being punched. As the defence lawyer stated how do you describe a punch? Don’t you think the witnesses could have colluded and said they saw him ‘punch’ her. Slowly but slowly all these witnesses will possibly trip themselves up….let’s wait for the outcome….
@@v.housejohnson He never punched anyone.
Will the girl who was supposedly punched testify?
With was absolutely insane. Thanks for covering it
Self Defense , when you surround someone or corner them in a hostile way , expect them to defend themselves
When the dad that was there was on the stand, he said they went to a different river to celebrate his birthday because they were out of control on another river the year before. Sounds to me like they are continuously making bad decisions while drinking and tubing. I can’t imagine this will look good for their case.
Right!! And that he sent "his boys" to help the old man because he thought the teens would "Gang up on him". Excellent witness for the defense!!!
@@candaceismyname5131the Carlsen group are the ones that escalated this to violence.
@@candaceismyname5131and his boys also start HARRASING the guy!
@@rockstarofredondo Yes I totally agree with you.
@@keli449 Exactly Yet the testimony given by the dad,his two sons, and even parts from A.J completely contradict one another.
It’s the Apple River. So gross! Dangerous place. frequented a lot in my teens in 20s definitely never bring a child there
What’s gross about it? The people or the water?
@@taviaturner3070both. It’s honestly not worth the five hour plus float ride.
@@taviaturner3070 both! It’s filthy
Hope in God the cammera man hold accountable too cuz we heard in video instigated and offended the old man with fact or find out what was looking in the water also now created stories and u can see they are fabricat we d story about he told him look for girls that is insane he would not said stuff like that to a irresponsible teens and his wife there
Kids ,, 4 beers in an hour ( throwing beer cans in the creek). Interacting with the people,, calling an old man a pedifile. The old man should not of approached them . Blonde Karen in his face . I Hope these kids ( Punks ) parents are Proud of them !!!
Very very very interested in this trial! Please continue coverage!
Before he even smacked Madison, the two women were shoving him and yelling at him. They really provoked him.
But before that he was over there. He left then he came back. So he didn’t have to return to fight.
They provoked him in to gutting 3 people like fish because someone was mean to him? You sound ridiculous. He tried to kill 5 people murdered 1 and you think that’s a reasonable response to folks yelling at you? Get mental help please
@@minagreen6051 Just say you didn't read up on this case.
@minagreen6051 I never said it was a reasonable response. I stated facts, that is all.
If they had left him alone, it wouldn't have happened.
@@minagreen6051 go watch the video, they surrounded and attacked him. the idiot in the yellow shorts got gutted AS he was assaulting Miu.
Everyones saying the defendant could have left. The witnesses group could have left at anytime aswell. And they antagonis he more and more. That really doesnt look good
That’s true. They were very wrong to do that. But a sensible person would just leave it. He knew he was outnumbered. He didn’t want to leave, he had chances. He knew he had a knife. It just got out of hand for him.
@@DebG2001Out of hand? Guilty.
The defendant stabbed multiple people ditched the knife and lied to police officers
They were kids, under 18. He was the adult!
@@ClearwaterKB And so that makes it ok for them to act like assholes. they knew what they were doing and were trying to get a rise out of him and well they did just didnt go the way they expected.
Sounds like a bunch of drunk, high kids who think they’re being funny called an older guy a peodophile and raper. I’m sure when the ppl on the bank heard them calling Mr. Mui this and they started encircling Mr. Mui, he probably thought he would be found floating downstream without a tube. I’d be afraid too if I were outnumbered and they started calling me horrible names. That whole mob mentality doesn’t end well, as we’ve seen. From the little I’ve seen this videographer instigated the whole sad mess.
Yes! This ^^ Why do people take out their phones to record? Answer: They WANT to see a fight & hope they get it on video!
Exactly my thoughts
@@kattykakes8135
Agreed. This witness started the whole thing and then filmed it - presumably hoping to have a “funny” video of them insulting and demeaning the man. Well that all went terribly wrong didn’t it? And I hope he feels some responsibility for the ultimate outcome.
The one who was videoing, he even posted it on social media somewhere to get likes and all that BS. So disgusting.
"he probably thought he would be found floating downstream without a tube" 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your coverage, would like to continue to follow along with you. Ive been watching pieces on fox 9 , but having a lawyer commentate along the way has proven effective in educating me
Thanks to this video and the wife testimony video - I am definitely interested in this case! I formerly had no idea what it was at all, but now I'm intrigued!
Please cover this trial! My unfortunate natural bias always leans towards prosecution. After watching the video I was shocked how staunchly I side with defense!
Please try to overcome that particular bias. You have acknowledged it, which is great. The defendant should be presumed innocent, the state's burden should be recognized, then go ahead and start to make impressions as evidence is received.
There is no rational basis to the self defense claim.
@@kevinhornbuckle Sure there is - you just don't understand what the word "rational" means.
@@JH-pt6ih In this context, rational means the defendant acted with violence to prevent imminent harm. Because there is no evidence of that, his claim of self defense is not supported (therefore irrational).
@@kevinhornbuckle I'll repeat: You don't understand what the word rational means.
This is the only record he has on file. He was trying to find his phone, and he thought the guy was waving his phone and making fun of him. They were all underage drinking and drugging and bulling a old man, I would have to say self-defense that's my opinion
Being called names by a group of teens does not warrant fucking murder. People like you are legitimately scary.
If he thought they’d stolen his friend’s phone and were waving it around taunting him with it…. While falsely shouting the little girl stuff - you can see why he didn’t want to be bullied into backing off initially, maybe wanting the parents to come and help sort it out and get the phone back.
Then when ‘the adults’ do arrive and seem just as drunk and abusive as the kids, and they start surrounding him - you can see why he might start to feel unsafe.
Now if he didn’t punch the woman first (which seems far from proven) and gets jumped like he did, it seems reasonable he would fear for his life (and dodgy heart)
The fact he’s ended up stabbing five people does sound (and I think is) totally disproportionate, but I can see him getting off…
… also I don’t believe for a second even the dumbest of predators would go up to a group of drunk rowdy young men and say ‘I’m looking for little girls’, and not expect to get a serious beating - it makes zero sense other than as a fabricated justification to attack him
Being bullied or called names doesn't give you the right to physically assault someone. He could've walked away. Instead he got angry and confronted them. And at least according to this witness, threw the first punch. Plus he clearly took out the knife before it got physical.
Given the wife said he brought the snorkel to look for lost jewelry I wonder if he actually said he was looking for little pearls and they misheard him?
@@matthewday7783 or they just flat out made it up to justify abusing and bullying him.
I watched it again and notice when he turns to approach them at the start of the video - he’s not trying to attack them- it’s like he’s looking for something in and around them - almost like just before they started filming they shouted they had his phone, and then started filming him turn and come towards them.
Looks like one of them kicks his goggles away as soon as he drops them as well and they all start laughing, and seconds after one of them is laughing at him and ‘his new iPhone in a bag’ or similar - couldn’t quite make it out but definitely ‘new iPhone’ is mentioned while mocking the guy.
If they had baited him into thinking they had his phone i think it’s understandable he comes back to (non-violently) try to get it back, signals his friends when he realises he’s about to get jumped, and then fears for his life when the punches start coming.
If the phone theory is not correct, or it’s proven he did actually hit the woman first before they jumped him, I reserve the right to delete this post and pretend I agreed it was murder all along.
Hi and thank you Mr. Tragos, I enjoyed this stream and the way you covered the situation. I avoid just sitting down every day to watch the news. The reason for that is, every day it is filled with how many people died and how they died = crime & drama. I like seeing the court cases, learning both sides unfold and hopefully the truth comes out. Well as sure of the truth as can be.
No way he should be charged with 1st degree murder . This is what happens when bullying a stranger turns on u and ur friends. Be nicer to people and u prlly wont see this .
"for the culture"
I’ve been to the Apple River many times back in the day-always a party spot with lots of underage drinking. I thought the defense did a good job with the witnesses. Wasn’t real impressed with prosecution opening
ALL floating trips in Wisconsin are party spots, your point?
No not all floating trips, but Apple River is known for that unfortunately. Drinking and tubing and it just doesn’t mix especially when most of those people are highly intoxicated
I have yet to see a family go down this river I used to go there when I was in high school and there’s no way I would take kids there, so yes I agree it is a party place and most people are drinking. there is another river not far from there that most people take families with that’s not so rowdy
Same
@@AngieLynn-en5jzi went with a family a few years ago. Just cause you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen lol
Dependent is being over charged. Alcohol played a big part in this incident with everyone involved. Not a defense but I’m having a hard time believing that drunk minors can remember everything clearly. Sad tragic incident, but not murder. Fortunately he has a good attorney
Yeah, I agree. The most they should've charged was manslaughter. Judging by the vastly different views of the chat, unless things change as trial advances, it looks quite possible there could be a hung jury.
@@CMpuffin In WI 1st degree murder is what most states called 2nd degree murder. No premeditation is required, merely the intent to kill. Given that he stabbed one man in the chest and eviscerated another I see clear intent to kill. So the charges are correct in this case. It's self-defense though and the jury will find him not guilty. Even his lies after the fact aren't enough to overcome the video and the testimony of the victims. He might have thought he was guilty but he isn't.
@abebuckingham8198 Thank you, Abe. The more trials I see in various states, the more I learn there are many differences. I appreciate you explaining WI law to me. I, too, see self-defense. I am not as sure as you that he will be acquitted, but, as tragic as the entire incident was, I think they messed with him relentlessly, and he was afraid. Thank you, again. I'm grateful.
those kids were provoking him, disgusting behaviour!
Sure, but it seems he had a part in that and gutting people is not a proper reaction when you're being "provoked"
@benfrese3573 that's true, he went alittle extreme, wasn't that the kids knife? did he take it out threatening the man with it? maybe I misheard
"for the culture"
There were 18 people screaming and threatening him, he was looking for a cell phone. They keep saying he punched the woman with his right hand. Not possible he had the knife in his right hand, she would have been cut. She didn’t go down either. 18 to 1 like it or not, self defense
Thank you for covering this Peter! Your insight always makes the trials better.
Not one of the teenager told the police about the little girl comment. This is added just prior to trial. Definitely sus. They were all wasted, not even a designated driver smdh
If it was added right before trial why can you hear one of the teens telling the others that he said he’s looking for little girls.
You can hear them in the video talking about him wanting a little girl!
That's because they all made it up after the fact.
He punched a woman duh!!!° bad tempered man. She was sticking up for the these young men.
Why did he have a knife in the first place???? He is a control freak. He punches a woman
Thank you so much for going step by step. So,soo 😊 important for everyone to understand how Court system work. 😊
I watch different court cases, ( Rittenhouse & Baldwin cases) ect. Listen carefully to what be being asked by Lawyers. 😊 I learn so much that can help me personally in being out in the public. The service you do by sharing these step by step court case I want your viewers to learn by it. No one ever wants to be in the box next to a Judge.
I wouldn't have felt safe, I would have been afraid for my life if I had been him. Thanks for covering this, Peter! This is the first I've seen of this, so my opinion is just what we saw here today.
Thank you for covering this one Peter! Hope you continue to follow it.
Well imo the guy that recorded just blew his own case ! He said he wasn’t afraid once the others joined in …. So how did the one person - one older person - feel with all of these people shouting and threatening him - pushing him down - following him while he walked away ?
I agree! If I had been in the same situation, I would have been terrified.
Who cares when he RAN AT THEM, assaulted one of them, and then as he's WALKING AWAY WITH NO ONE IN HIS PATH, he TURNS BACK and pulls out his knife and SMIRKS.... BEFORE EVER BEING TOUCHED and THEN he punches the woman in the face.....
What did he think the guys/men would do in reaction to him punching a woman?
Run? LOL
He escalated MULTIPLE TIMES, had an opportunity to walk away MULTIPLE TIMES but instead pulls a blade and starts LITERALLY gutting people...
Why does it matter at ALL when he put himself in that position and then escalated....
I didnt see him punch a woman. I did see her face afterwards and i didnt see a mark on her
@@lbar2458there's actually another girl in front of her but it looks like another guy is holding her back as the older guy is falling into the water. They all seem drunk and obnoxious and he kept his cool for longer than I would have. Ya don't see or hear him punch her or any commotion about it. Just taunting from dude and his friends . Was it wrong someone died yes however the fault lies on big mouth and his buddies looking for clout trying to dictate their narrative. He knew calling those other ppl over shit was gonna explode. Where was the old man gonna go before those young kids didn't catch up to him anyways if he kept going. You ever run in 2f deep water?
@@chuck7879
Thank you Chuck.
I can't understand all these victim blamers.
Granted the kids were obnoxious & yelling.
Acting EXACTLY like kids.
None of them hit him.
None of those (original) kids advanced until he hit the other woman. He also sliced the other woman simultaneously. She just didn't know she was stabbed, she thought she was hit too.
100% Self Defense. Looking forward to hearing from the Defendant and his attorneys.
The teens say mr miu could have just walked away, but they should remember, they could have just stopped harassing him but they didn't.
YES!!! They could have just walked away too!!! He was there first!!! Looking for something. They could have just kept going.
You don't get to stab or punch people based on your feelings being hurt. They're all floating in a river, the waters going to the same place along with all the people in it. Whether or not they could have left him alone, he can leave, or he can talk shit back. In the end, he punched a woman who was trying to de-escalate the situation, and then stabbed multiple people, resulting in one homicide. This guy is not the one to defend lol.
@@serpenteye12 There is no proof, evidence, or video of anyone being punched. Although there is video of everything else. One witness said she was punched, then changed to slapped then… or pushed… and she fell in the river. There is a video of the woman still holding her drink and her cell phone with not a mark on her and dry as a bone. When he was shown that footage, he said maybe she slightly stumbled. Then another of the group said it was the other woman.
I strongly suspect it was a very quick whispered story they concocted on the spot after the incident, to justify why they all attacked him like rabid dogs.
The we felt safe when the grown ups showed up give me a break. The 6 of us were afraid of the 1 fat middle aged guy
@@serpenteye12 It wasn't based on his feelings of being hurt. He was in fear for his life. He's an older guy who already had quadruple bypass heart surgery who was surrounded by aggressive young people who were screaming stuff, including a racial slur, in his face without any let up in sight.
Live 5 miles from The Apple River. Drive by on bridge as the sheriff was pulling in. Such a sad day for Somerset Wisc😢
yeah when you realize all your teens are out of control, entitled, petulant, spoiled brats
I’m in NR, the river had been dangerous since I was a kid.
I grew up in NR and saw the title and ran to the comments to see if this was that Apple River. I remember the joke being that you would get pregnant just swimming in it when I was growing up 🤢
@@meganmeister2530Yeah I grew up in New Richmond as well. Small world considering how small that town is, or at least was when I lived there! Pretty sure I saw my first pair of boobs as a teen floating down the Apple River, so that joke about getting pregnant just swimming in it definitely holds weight 😂
lol this is the NR section of the comments. Cool to see you all listen to him as well
I would have feared for my life as well. This Coldfield guy started this whole thing and got all the others involved. This Coldfield guy is not a good witness and changed his story like alot of them did after the fact. Why in the world would the older man say he was looking for little girls . This guy just flat out lied about that and got the others to taunt him.
Agree 100%
IMO Miu was calling the teens "little girls" and his dark humor was not understood but was instead twisted back against him. Doing so provoked his anger to the point that he charged at them, and things escalated from there.
Stupid, stupid man.
He should have MOVED ON, coming back to knife a bunch of kids is a complete felony. All those kids did was call him names. I just walk away and go home to whine about it and forget about it by the morning. No court cases and life stays normal. His reaction got him trouble no offense, most cell phones have insurance in case of lost/thief.
He had multiple chances to just walk away. He showed only defiance when facing the 2 girls yet had no one behind him & could have walked which they were yelling at him to do.
@@tomsanger5548 When he tried, he was approached an attacked.
Self defense 100%! The cops arrested the wrong man. Attorney prosecuting the wrong man! That whole group should be on trial!
The mob accused him of the thing that would make everyone attack him!
This is frightening. Mob mentality
Snorkeling doesn’t give someone a right to call you a pedo rapist in video. Then get others involved , for the culture✊🏿.
What is scary.. is a drunk asshole thinks he can harass, stab , punch and Murder people . Over chaos he created. Dudes a nut job
I totally agree but what did he expect? I've seen the mob mentality a lot with teenage boys. Not to mention they were drinking. He was the adult in the situation. He made the decisions that he that led him to that sure the kids are being stupid and yelling inappropriate things but they did not deserve to get stabbed or killed
@Schnauzerpatrol. I agree.
Lets defend a guy that brings a knife to go tubing…Hmmm I wonder what his untentions were that day. Ghow many ppl do you know that carries a knife in their swimming trunks as they swim?
The way the defendant acts after he stabs these kids tells a lot as well, he ditched the knife & when the police detained him he acted like he has NO idea what happened!
that's fine, then they can charge him with obstruction. but the video clearly shows it was SD. He's very, very lucky there is video.
@@IzzyMarielno it wasn't. This psycho lunged toward at least two of the kids first while they were on their tubes. It's bizarre. He doesn't say anything, has a snorkel in barely knee deep water, and grabs at two boys confused as hell what he's doing. Doesn't look like this man is looking for some phone. In fact, no one knows WTF he was doing there. When asked what he's doing, he gives everyone blank stares. When he starts stabbing the kids, he literally has a crazed smile on his face. Doesn't look "scared" AT ALL. Looks like he couldn't wait to use his knife. Sick.
@@IzzyMarielI absolutely disagree. This isn't self defense at all. The kids yelled at him, he approached them, he threw the first punch, he could've walked away but chose to escalate it. Yelling isn't a reason to escalate into a physical attack. This grown ass man should've ignored the drunk kids and walked away.
@@Jordan-nw4sj he had that republican rage in him
@@Jordan-nw4sj the woman he supposedly punched in the eye/cheekbone area and knocked down has no mark on her face after they say it happened. Additionally, her sunglasses were not damaged and she is not wet.
This is absolutely self defense. Imagine you were in his shoes. One older guy with a large group of younger, fitter guys surrounding you, taunting you, screaming at you, and then pushing you down into the water, hitting you, not one but multiple times? And you wouldn't be in fear for your life? You've got to be kidding me! They didn't know he had a knife, that's the issue. Who knows what they would have done if he didn't get his knife out and fight back. He was looking for his snorkel. They called him a pedo and rapist, jeered at him, taunting him, and they were drunk and high and I cannot imagine a better self defense case than this.
no, you inserted yourself in the situation, you could go away 1000 times, you are no police no nothing...if something is wrong, call the police...whats with the redheaded girl he stabbed...also self defense, because she was a unimaginable threat he couldnt handle? you are crazy guys...
He was being asked to leave by two females when he punched one of them and stabbed the other. This took place before anyone threatened or touched him
No he had already pulled knife on video before ever got punched and he had left and came back to group more than once why did he come back? Yes kids were drunk being idiots but he is an adult and should’ve just stayed away from them why approach them once hollering?
Im just hearing about this case as well and VERY HAPPY you are covering this ! Although very early in this trial , I am ABSOLUTELY thinking SELF DEFENSE right now ... Seeing that video clip , i wanted to CRY for the defendent seeing A MOB of drunk and stoned young people gathering around that man the way they were ,,, ABSOLUTELY SELF DEFENSE IMO
This was great, Peter. Thank you for covering this - it doesn't seem to be getting good legal coverage by any of the other LawTubers yet. It's a fascinating case, and your insight is appreciated. Thank you!
Yes continue with this story. This story needs to be taught to all kids of, "Mind your own business"
They were minding their business and he walked up on them- he could have walked away.
They were minding their business in a suspicious person went under their rafts and then came back and knocked them off of their rafts by attacking them
@@NoFear69262that’s not what happened lol. Old man was minding his own business, got bumped into when he was looking for a phone under the water and was asked by the teens what he was doing. He said something?? I don’t know exactly. and kids began yelling “he’s a pedo” “rap3r” “looking for little girls”, then that provoked the man to come over. It is said in an opening statement that Niko approached the kids, thinking that the phone that was being held up was the phone he was looking for due to it being in a water case and was being teased, hence him trying to reach for it of some sort¿ Im not sure how much i believe of that but, they swore an oath lol gotta have to believe it whether you like it or not i guess pfft
@@ravenjo7 thank you! What you said is exactly what I witnessed via the evidence provided ❤️
Excellent coverage once again LYK. I am new to this case. I am already getting a sense of young males drinking and smoking some weed thinking they can "down" an older guy with taunts. I can see the dawning realisation on this witness's face of what horror they were conjuring up. A horror born from a terrible mixture of innocence, immaturity and cruelty.
Now their friend is dead.
United Kingdom listener with gratitude.
And this kid keeps filming doesn't even stop and call 911 like, immediately 🙄
I like when you cover cases of “regular” people like this in between the high profile/celebrity cases. It gives a nice variety and expands on different jurisdictions and how it varies from state to state
I like cases that can go either way instead of joke cases that people are just here to troll
These teens were drunk and high and feeling invincible. They were also looking for trouble. This guy wasn't bothering them at all, and they decided it would be fun to pick on him. It escalated and they began to get aggressive in their actions and their words. They were saying disgusting things to him that were absolutely untrue. He tries walking away more than once. The other group decides to wade over and butt in on something they had no clue about. The videos had ME upset, the way they were all screaming at him, surrounding and taunting him, acting like a mad mob. 13 against one, they shove him and hit him and he falls down. Then they are surprised when he decides to fight back? This was absolutely self defense and this group of "boys" started the entire thing. Any person surrounded by this mob would have been fearful because they were all behaving like mad dogs. It's sad that someone got hurt, but what did they expect would happen, taunting a guy like this?!! I would find him not guilty because they instigated the trouble and escalated it until he felt like he was in trouble. And for what? Because he was snorkeling, looking for a lost phone. I feel bad for this man.
If that's what you gathered from this video then please do NOT ever use your brain again. 🤦🏻♂️😂
@@fatee5069 Have you ever been attacked by a group of people? I feel like no.
Use your brain...they assaulted him first (when they pushed him down into the water). As awful as this situation turned out for them, he was outnumbered and they are at fault.@@fatee5069
@@fatee5069 I can see their point of view and I agree with much of it.
@@iamastrangeloop9204 glad you're not on the jury. 😂🤦🏻♂️
I have so many cases I am following at the moment that when this video popped up I didn't watch it but I accidentally came across the video. Now I am invested in catching up, I believe based on the video alone that it was self defense, gonna watch the trial now to see if my opinion changes upon hearing the evidence.
Also, if he was looking for little girls and u don't have little girls in your group he's no threat to u therefore no need to engage, call the police if u feel the need to prevent a future CA incident
A lesson to be kind to others. There was no reason to antagonize that man.
Agree. A couple of the kids were being fools. The two who came to help the kids were not doing any naw calling. They were being really good citizens. I’d love to have neighbors like them all around me.
Absolutely Horrific
Im so excited you’re covering. I’ve been following and I keep me going back and forth between self defense and guilty. So I can only imagine how the jury feels 😅
I’m glad I’m not the only one 😅 this would be the worst jury to be on, it’s really difficult!
excited for a stabbing trial is kinda scary ngl
It only takes 1 juror to think it’s self defense to have a not guilty verdict
I don’t know if this is your first video on this case I’m immediately just came here after watching the opening to see what you had to say but. I wish you would cover this daily and go back to the beginning.
#rewatch crew…I don’t know much about this trial or case. Thank you for covering this trial. It all seems very sad and definitely avoidable.