LIVE! Real Lawyer Reacts: Judge Explains Charges in Apple River Case + Closing Arguments
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I am an older man (in my 50s). I was once attacked by a 19 year old. I live in a non-stand your ground state. Retreating sounds great on paper, but is dangerous if you are older and slower than the attacker. You have your back to the person or you are walking backwards. I just know it is not that easy.
Exactly, and this guy was in the water with loose river rock underneath him. He can’t get away like people are claiming.
And you are also military trained as Mr. Miu?
@@i.sodeikat8397where’s the evidence of that and why does it even matter?
all they wanted was for him to go away. They told him. So. Many. Times. The guy just felt really good getting in their face with a knife in his pocket.
Exactly. People saying he should just retreat, I wonder if they saw the video. They had him surrounded and he was in the water, unable to run. If he tried to turn and leave they would have jumped on him and this may have ended with him dying instead.
One thing I have learned about watching these cases is that the jury instructions are so much more important than I ever realized
Yeah, a bunch of bologna.
This case taught me that the legal drinking age and mj laws don't add up to a hill of beans in Wisconsin. I also learned that 13 drunk teenagers and 20- somethings against 1 older man in poor health shouldn't make the older man fear for his life.
@@juniuskristiansen873comment section isn’t a great representation of society.
@@Bardmusic66why not? Its citizens commenting on a case. You are basically saying that everyone who comments has no right to their opinion.
@@BostonRoadGlide research selection bias.
Defense closing was excellent, he had my full attention. "Clean", clear & concise.
He had no charisma and couldn't catch his breath. Both these prosecutors are slobs.
Agreed, Are they the Rittenhouse Team?
@@jerischopp9167 Corey Chirafisi was on Rittenhouse team. Guy is a great trial lawyer, very charismatic.
@@jerischopp9167Yes, they were the Rittenhouse team also so called self defense 🤢🤮
@@christiandupont950Charismatic like 🗑️🗑️
No matter what the cops say your lines are always this. I want to speak to my lawyer. It doesn’t matter if you’re innocent or not.
Absolutely, I watched a great UA-cam video that showed how wrong things have gone for innocent people when trying to help the police
Well not talking to the cops is a far cry different from lying to them. Because everything he said could and would be used against him in a court of law. Lying to the cops will do you in. Pretty stupid. 🙄
To add, you must affirmatively say you do not want to talk to them. If you merely say you want to speak to your lawyer they can still weasel their way into continuing to question you because you didn't unequivocally invoke right to silence. Miranda has been slowly whittled over the years.
@@atticusmatlock4305 good to know! Hopefully I will never need to utilize this advice 😅😅
I think Muis brother should bring a civil suit against the big fat guy ring leader of those kids ! I’m not saying Muis innocent . I am saying those kids were clearly drinking and the father knew how out of control they’re capable of getting based on said celebration the prior year. He stated he had a smaller crowd on a different river to “control” better. What he didn’t do the one thing that would have controlled the group was not allow drinking ! Were they even of legal age?
No marks on her face, no broken sun glasses, no black eye, did not drop her drink or her vape, cell still on her person.
The young adults incited a mob with their false accusation of the defendant being a paedophile. The second group that arrived having heard the accusation of paedophile did not arrive to make peace but instead, they joined the mob. The defendant was the target of the mob, a mob that showed no fear and no self-control. The water even though not deep makes it a deadly situation, when the defendant ends ou on his back in the water, he is one punch from being KO'ed and drowning. Tragic someone lost their life, but if you corner someone and make them fear for their life they will fight with everything they have.
Wrong, the bystanders were all there to break up the fight and split up the group from the defendant. They told him to leave the kids alone and go away- he decided to react with violence against people who were there to make sure nobody got hurt.
The water was ankle deep he was in zero danger of drowning
@@Princelover-ip4gn The water was knee high deep; I would say about 2 feet, maybe 18 inches. If he were to be knocked out and became unconscious, he would be absolutely in danger of drowning (unless you're an alien or one of those African tribal women with long necks and dozen of rings around them). You need to go watch the actual raw video (cell phone video from the kid that incited a riot/mob) before making stupid guesses/assumptions with your limited brain capacity! If I was a juror, I would acquit him on all charges except for perjury and/or obstruction.
@Princelover-ip4gn but did Miu know they were there to break up the fight?
@@Princelover-ip4gnyou can drown in any amount of water if they held him under. Plus he has a weak heart.
This poor man was swarmed. He may have been drowned. The young people should be charged with attacking him etc. They should be charged with manslaughter.
That’s an interesting take. I would not have even thought about that being an option. But I suppose if parents can be charged for son’s actions and their non-actions (not properly securing gun), then this would not be too far of a stretch
I can't see a "poor man" anywhere
@@benfrese3573 And what about before he stabbedanyone? Would you have even considered feeling bad for him? If not, shame on you.
I totally empathize. But I haven’t watched all the video. But why are they drinking in public? That’s why alcohol is banned in our parks 🇨🇦
@@donnahall3902 don’t you go shaming me. I have lived and continue to live a life of service for all my fellow beings on this planet. Show respect please
Btw, i have a teen and I'm now explaining to her that this is what can happen in a mob mentality and videoing instead of calling 911 is super wrong.
and proper water safety
Facts
This is a great example to show teens.sadly they live in the minute and don't think this stuff can happen to them. The boys show it can.
And inebriation
Even just leaving people alone goes a long way. If you see someone in public that you think is “weird” why antagonize them? Just ignore them and go about your business.
Nic's lying durin interrogation does not negate what happebed on the river.
Correct. But it does give no reason to accept his claim that he was afraid.
Of course not, he stabbed people for no reason even if he wasn't lying.
He could have shown the knife, warned, backed and left or worst case, cut towards arms hands not trunk abdominal deep cuts.
I agree
@@BeegirlsHoneyHouse I don't think even showing the knife would be necessary. Just walk away. No one was stopping him leaving.
This defense attorney is sharp
he had a really good team, one of the guys from Rittenhouse case. Didn't help him in the end tho.
@@martincerny3294 I think it kinda did. Lesser included offense. But it's not a win for sure.
@@johnnynobuddy1 The lesser offense is reckless 1st degree homicide and some assault charges. That will be 20+ years (up to 97 according to the CBS article lol), he'll most likely die in prison.
@@martincerny3294 ok thanks for the clarity.
People act like he knew for a fact that his stabbing would 100% kill people yet at the same time they act like there's a 0% chance that Miu could have died from getting even punched or pushed into the river once, like what if his head hit a rock?
One of the grubs had his hands around his throat strangling him , so he was stabbed .
@@BlackStump172so why wasn’t that said in court😂? I mean the defense would talk about that 1k times if that actually happened.
@@BlackStump172 Two of the people stabbed had their hands at his throat. This was a violent assault by a crazed drunken drugged mob.
@@BlackStump172he stabbed the guy right before he made contact to his neck but nice made up story about being strangled kinda like the suspects false story he made during his interrogation
@dwizzle2132 axtualllly.... while attempting to push mr M into the water he slipped and hands do 100% make a choking motion for a sec as Mr M falls into water... Mr Ms perspective he is being actively attacked and felt hand..
Did kid strangle him? No..did Mr m perceive it as such? Apparently so...end of day his perception of immediate danger to life or injury is all that matters
I live in Minnesota. Appears to me the added charges would indicate even the state is confused
Gives the jury the option to "settle" for lesser charges. Even if that happens, Miu (given his age) is most likely in jail for the rest of his life.
Now that trial has ended, I remain at Not Guilty. What has bothered me the most throughout this trial is the constant mischaracterization of key elements by the prosecution. This prosecutor has spent so much time trying to frame the minutiae a certain way and pushing this narrative that being middle aged in a river reasonably indicates you're a pedophile. If your facts are good and accurate, why even do that? There have been so many times I have felt like the prosecutor was literally more concerned with the jury not seeing the teens as arseholes than he was about proving his case for murder/maybe-not-murder.
I also have huge problems with prosecutors being able to charge every level crime between indifference or recklessness to murder one for a single offense. Either it's murder or it isn't. Charge the crime. When you argue to a jury in your closing that it's definitely murder but it might be something else, you've given them reasonable doubt. Charge the crime you have and advocate hard to prove it.
The video is the best evidence for the defense. They were also organized and focused on their case. If you feel you are in imminent danger and you are being closed in on by a dozen or more people, some of whom have already assaulted you, you swing like your life depends on it. Because it might.
Agreed!
I really appreciate, and agree with your well thought out comment. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts, and for doing so in a clear and understandable way, with explanations for why you feel the way you do.
@@amandarhoads4640 Thank you for this.
Beautifully said 👏👏🇬🇧
Each time I see the videos of that punk mob it reminds me of "Lord of the Flies". Ageists and xenophobes.
I believe the defendant acted in self-defense.
This trail was so interesting, thanks for covering it. I don't no how anyone can watch that video and not see self defence.
Prosecutor seems relatively young and inexperience because his argument sounds like a middle school project
Right? He sounds like he is trying to convince himself but isn’t buying his own garbage
I didnt find him credible or effective most of the trial, but his closing was atrocious!
If the deceased hadn't advanced forward into Mui, he would not have gotten stabbed. He aggressed into Mui's knife Mui never stepped forward or reached out towards anyone who got sliced. Why weren't the "kids" charged with crimes? In exchange for their poorly crafted group story & testimony
lol seriously? The kid charged into the knife? He stabbed himself? 😂
He tried to stab Tony twice because Tony blocked the first stab.
That's why it's so important for them to lie. They would all rather this 1 person go down than any of them. And talk about needing to have remorse, All those people are glad that he's been in prison for the last 21 months and will probably spend the rest of his life there, All the knowing what they did. And how do you feel about the attitude jawahn And dante had on the stand. They really acted like jerks, Knowing this is all cause of them.
There is nothing worse than the prosecution stretching the truth in order to gain a conviction. The state should never editorialize. This should not be allowed in our justice system.
Yes, seeing the prosecution trying to twist the truth and minimize the severity of the attack on Miu was really disturbing. Miu should never have been charged. He has spent the last 2 years in jail while the ones who violently attacked him have been walking free. Disturbing beyond belief.
You 2 are absolutely delusional 😂
@@mathewoutram441Was glad to finally hear the judge instructing the jury about the actual statutes in WI re: self-defense. I live in WI, and I did read them. Thought that might have an effect those saying that all they need is the video to know it was self-defense, but I guess not!
@@goofygirl1311 in closing both sides are allowed to do this. And both side DID do this.
@@joshuamendez9959 There are things that you just do not do and twisting facts in the hopes of locking a man up is one of them. Shame on that prosecutor!
Initially, when I heard the lies from Miu, my inclination was Guilty. But, then ALL of those involved also lied.
The State, in adding the lesser charges, gave me reasonable doubt on ALL the charges.
If they have doubt about his perceptions and intentions, why wouldn't "A reasonable Person."(The Jurors)?
It is said that you can't ride two bikes at the same time - The State are trying to ride four bikes, at the same time.
Aside from that:
Did he push Cohen? - Probably - but , only AFTER Cohen grabbed his arm.
Did he punch Cohen? - I don't know
Did a number of "The Kids push, slap and punch Miu? - Yes. all of the above.
All create REASONABLE DOUBT
You sound like you have some common sense so ask yourself this? Mius friend Eric knew he was going over by the teens - does that mean Miu told him he was headed to them? Because Miu said he just happened to be in that area. Also regarding the push to Maddie - with all of those people do you think Miu knew the reaction that would evoke? Would a reasonable person think it would cause an escalated reaction? And if so, is that why he got his knife out? Because he knew that push wouldn’t go unanswered? To me, and I consider myself a reasonable person, I believe Miu knew this before he decided to push Maddie. That’s why I think he did it. I also think he tried to do the same thing with the teens when he grabbed the tubes. But it didn’t elicit the response he hoped for by them - none of them attempted to come at him/push him away or strike him. But I do think that was his desire.
Also, the state adding the lessors is to try and avoid a hung jury. These lawyers have people monitoring the polls - they know the percentages. Without the lessors it would 100% be a hung jury and they don’t want to put the witnesses through another trial and the state doesn’t want the expense of another trial. It’s all about the money.
@@2TurntKaren Thank you for your reasoned response. Given your view, on which charge would you, if you were a juror find Miu guilty?
but mui lied so bad after it happened! why? he lied bc he knew he overreacted
@@deejrm4148 I understand that. That was my first thought. As I said on my 1st post, it was The State's inclusion of the lesser charges which made me doubt the murder/attempted murder charges.
If they aren't sure, how can 'A Reasonable Person's be sure?
"Normal is a setting on a hair dryer" - what a gem, THANK YOU GRANDMA LYK!
yasss!
I have never seen a setting on a hair dryer called normal. Strange!!! Lol
I think maybe grandma said “normal is a setting on a CLOTHES dryer” 🤣 but cute still 😊
How is that a gem?
Pedos are a Man living next door.
Blue is a car in the driveway.
Like wtf
@@rawbathandbeautyBut you get the point. My grandmother always had great sayings.
Just keep in mind if these teenagers acted like this in school they would be expelled for bullying. So sad it ended the way it did.
I think the way the defense broke down the jury instructions gives the defense an edge. The instructions are so complex and it helps if you know what is to be broken down.
I think the defense are a stronger team than the prosecution.
The defense is on the side of right in this case. Shame on that prosecution!
@@goofygirl1311dude, it's their job. It's so weird when people attach morals to attorneys just doing their job. Same with defense attorneys who represent obviously guilty icky people. Just doing their job.
Attorneys on both sides represent our constitution by making sure our justice system works as designed and no rights are violated. No need to run around screaming "Shame!" It's a ridiculous thing to say.
@@annafrancisdimka9403 No. The prosecution's job is to represent the state (the people) in a trial based on real evidence and the truth. It is not the will of the people to have innocent people rail roaded in a court of law.
I don’t think he lied because of shock. I think he lied because either way he was ending up here. He was wanting to avoid it all together.
It’s really irrelevant what he said. He could be in shock or wasn’t. The jury isn’t going to to say guilty and send this man to jail based on lying to a cop.
I don't think that's true at all. I actually think that if he would have said self-defense from the very start, met the police at whatever the getting off point of the river was, kept the knife, handed it over to police and then allowed the police time to view the video, I don't think there would have been one charge.
@@jeffreyhogeboomOdd. I can't trust anything he uses as an excuse.
He knew they would all gain up 13-1 and lie about what actually happened. Weird
@@jeffreyhogeboomexactly. Lying is not murder. It’s at best obstruction.
Also,to prove he was in shock didn't he say he pooped his pants (words yo that affect) he tried to disassociate himself from the horrible events
Yeah he shit himself, but I don’t see how that proves being in shock lmao
I showed my 63 year old mother the full vid and she sh!t her pants just from watching that pack of hyenas.
@@aClownBaby-it shows extreme fear though.
@@rockstarofredondo does it? :D
@@martincerny3294 imo yes
All sides have been demonstarbly less than truthful, but ultimately from everything I have seen the "kids" were going way out of their way and doing basically everything in their power to harass, heckle, threaten and intimidate Mr. Miu, and then escalated the situation to physical violence at the very first opportunity. I knew at the age of 8 that this type of behavior (especially aimed at a random stranger you know absolutely nothing about) is a recipe for getting oneself hurt or killed. I'm not sure what the "kids" expected, but this outcome seems like it was exactly what they wanted based on their behavior... they just never imagined that a "weird" older gentleman alone and vastly outnumbered could possibly defend himself so effectly. Obviously another mistake on their part...
You could clearly see the distress on Miu's face. This is such a shitty thing to have happened. I bet none of those kids mess with strangers in this manner ever again.
It's just sad all around
😢
Then he should’ve WALKED AWAY
@@waymarie8254they should have left him alone or imagine that they could have asked him what he was looking for and actually helped him.
@@waymarie8254he tried. You’re not seeing what you don’t want to see.
I've been fascinated by this trial, however, with all due respect, when the judge read the jury instructions, *I* wanted to take a nap, and I'm not on the jury!
No idea how judge expected anyone to remember anything he said. Jury instructions are understandable, that was just rambling after the first two minutes.
I am for Nic Mui. I see, hear and understand, why this happened. Very sad. I myself, have been a victim of bullying, harassing and threatened. I understand his confusion and being in a tunnel. I know what it is like being surrounded. I have seen this mob. I know this culture.
There is also, confusion of language barrier. During cross by prosecutor, Nic tried on several occasions to clarify questions. The prosecutor told him, "You don't get to ask these questions".
All these people, except Nic, should be charged. Their actions caused this. If, Nic Mui, had died, they would have been charged. And, all as adults.
Sad I missed this live. I thought the defense closing argument was one of the best I’ve ever heard.
Mr Mui wasn't just being annoyed. He was beat, slapped, made to fall, heckled, and made to fear for his life. Period! Drinking on all parts is what caused this to happen with no respect.
He never touched anyone that did not touch him.
Did you see the grainy video where he casually walked over to Dante after stabbing all the others and he stabbed him? Dante wasn't near him, he sought him out to do damage.
@@ksjmward1998 Dante punched him three times
Yes he did he started it .he should have stayed away but he left snd went back
@@slimshadetree9468 Dante was the first one to punch him. At the time he was stabbed, no one was going for him, Dante wasn't even near him. He sought him out to stab him in retaliation. That does not meet self defense criteria.
@@ksjmward1998you're on a first name basis with river thugs? Give us a time stamp. Danke
Im so.confused with these instructions because:
I 100% believe he was defending himself even if his actions AFTER the events did show disregard for human life.
So how are you not allowed to use excessive force to defend yourself regard for your attackers safety at the same time? That is absurd. If you fear for you life and happen to have a bazooka in your hand you will use it! You won't think, "oh this might be excessive"
I don't get how your actions after a self defense act have anything to do with the fact you did what you could to save yourself. All he had was a knife.
Anyone who says they would not go down swinging if a drunk mob of 13 swarmed you, is lying.
Mr I don’t care (Dante) should be charge as well
If he’s found not guilty, will they charge the “victims” with assault?
@@dilafng Except that a mob of 13 didn't attack him, that's completely made up fantasy. They repeatedly told him to go away, didn't attack him until he hit one of the girls. When you have a knife in your pocket and you're actively aggroing group of people, refusing to leave and keep escalating, you want a fight. And when you're doing your best to escalate while knowing very well that you have a lethal weapon on you, is that self defense?
It shows the reason the young men got cut so bad is because he was pushing him down which caused his arm to go up. Its reflex while falling back.
you're crazier than he is
He had the knife pointing up and smiling before anyone ever touched him. He went around stabbing people afterwards that were not even near him. I cannot stand bullying, but this guy went too far. Glad I’m not on the jury, but if I was he definitely would not be going home directly after this. And if he did, you better not look at them the wrong way! I’m actually shocked that anyone can say that he used appropriate force. He said himself, in the back of the cruiser, while lying about everything that they were just kids being kids. 🤔
How much did Mui pay you to blame the victim for the extent of his injuries.
One can't even cut through wet cardboard by falling backwards. Gutting a kid like a fish requires force, almost the same as much as stabbing another so violently to the heart that you cut through two of the ribs.
You're clearly not paying attention, or you're detached from reality.
@@3goats1coatlol a sharp knife on soft wet naked human skin goes in like butter. Cardboard has a different texture and is a poor comparison.
He was imn the military. Could he have acted out of P TSD?
Was he in the Romanian military? If yes, he most likely never saw serious combat. Might have been horribly bullied by his superiors, like it was common in those post Soviet states
@@tyr5119no he started to live here when he was 15 so served in the USA.
In fact this man on trial is actually using personal space in a correct description
Playing Devils Advocate…Is it completely unheard of for someone to not have remorse for inadvertently killing someone you believed tried to kill you?
Personally, I’d feel bad, but I could see how someone might not be remorseful.
He honestly reacted like someone who has been in stressful situations many times before in the past.
I don't think he knew until after he was at the jail being questioned.
@@rattlesnake3113the police told him he was being arrested for homicide and attempted homicide at the river.
@@JasonAnderson-vk8hd He acted like a crazy guy on a power trip.
I would want that Defense lawyer--he is thorough and on such a difficult case.
He's excellent on self-defense cases. He was co-counsel for Rittenhouse.
Oh dear, well then I guess he was too good! 😜 I was going for guilty for Riddenhouse!
17-20 year olds aren’t kids!!!
17yo are literally kids 🙄
But not fully developed in any way either.
They were a bunch of bullies.
Old enough to join the military and go to war.
@@trentgay3437if they would’ve killed miu they would’ve been tried as adults
She was screaming in his face. Pushing her out of the way was ok. This poor guy was accosted, humiliated, belittled, attacked…if this was a woman, she would not have even been charged
That equals a death sentence?
@@i.sodeikat8397since they were putting his life in danger by beating him down into water, it equals whatever it takes to get them to stop. Notice how they all stopped once some of the attackers got stuck? Did you see that part? It worked didn’t it?
He could have taken a step back from her if she was too close. Nobody was near him at that time except 2 women so he wasn’t surrounded and had no right slap or strike her in any way. She was saying to go away but he didn’t- he pulled out a knife and tried to kill people.
A woman would have walked away!
You're even crazier than him. Imahine a woman screaming in your face, and telling you to leave. You have a knife in your pocket all this time and instead of leaving, you punch her, with a group of her friends around. What do you expect to happen?
I respect that you have a great knowledge of the facts of this case. Nothing disturbs me more than commentators that are uninformed. Viewers/subs, like jurors, are not stupid. Your viewers a intelligent and informed and the respect that you show us by knowing the facts are greatly appreciated. I hope I’m not alone in feeling that whether we agree with you or not, you are well informed with the case and the law. Great job!
I cannot stand uninformed/poorly researched commentary!!
The comments are atrocious. They paint the teens as the perpetrators ! That’s so wrong and it’s officially first degree reckless homicide
@@81suze it's baffling how out of touch most of the comments are. Disgusting. Especially now when we have the verdict.
We continue to see young people gather around and taunt, hit, push people who are not like them.
Mr Miu seems different.
People don’t understand his body language or even the way he talks.
He doesn’t relate to the crowd well.
He’s not socially comfortable, he seems pretty stiff.
Those people were horrible to him and they were escalating the violence and who knows how it would have ended.
The lies are weird to most people but he knew that anything could happen and he could be in trouble with the authorities - AND he knew he defended himself righteously and legally - but it’s so hard to prove.
Our society has become more and more violent.
It like it’s regressing back to the 1800’s when women could not (for fear of safety) travel alone on a train, and men needed an introduction to go to another village.
I had a judge fall asleep during a bench trial during the defendant’s case. I knew my case was won.
😂😂😂
3 things that stands out to me which I hate, 1st they challenged him on cross and I think mentioned in closing is the disembowelment. They said he pulled the knife up, he said he did not, he was falling back, I had decided before he testified that his arm lifted because he was falling back, I really hate that the defence didn't replay the video slowed down, or the frames to show he did not lift his arm, that would lessen his 'intent' to disembowel, 2nd I wish the defence had said, even if he had said he was looking for little girls, they had no reason to be in fear, 3rd I wish defence had picked out that they kept saying he wasn't saying anything, you can clearly hear the video-ing guy say what are you saying? so he was saying things!, they didn't say he was saying things but we were screeching so loud we couldn't understand his words and didn't want to quieten to listen properly
The young men also had a route to retreat.
He pulled that knife out when girls were just standing in front of him, yelling for him to leave - so that made him fear for his life … WTF. His ego was hurt! He knew damn well what he was going to do, did it and smiled through it all, never speaking a word (like HELP! Or GET BACK!) Nothing.
He is pure evil.
is that the most likely scenario? He's relaxing tubing down the river and his ego gets hurt and even though he's never broken a law He tries to kill 5 people all the sudden?
@@mikezaloudek4893 He said he had been drinking all day.
@@mikezaloudek4893 maybe he hates being pushed that far? Maybe it brought back previous “trauma”? How do we know? Maybe he snapped? It happened!
He doesn't have to leave because some overweight blonde is screaming at him. He doesn't have to take a beating either.They should have just left him alone.
I listened to this at work peter, the lawyer for the state was terrible.
it is harder to be great when you don't have that strong of a case
He didn’t have much of a case for murder one. An uphill battle all the way, really.
So bad! So sad!
It looks like the worst crime. Not only did Muir kill and wound people, but he also killed a nice and friendly unarmed kid.
So why such a mess? Why such a debate?
Maybe it's not that simple...
The state took a scattershot approach that didn’t work while the defense had a well developed and easily understood defense.
People lie when afraid. Hard to know Nic's experiences with police in Romania. He would be concerned about being believed as an immigrant.
I see many people saying he should have done something different. I think what many of these people are not considering, is the way teens these days mob fight. Every day there is a new incident at my daughter’s school. They mob attack amd the victims are almost always critically injured. Or worse. Last year, a 17 year old boy was killed and left on my lawn for me to find at 3 am. We live in a different world these days. No, this may not be the way many would respond, but I think that is because they may be pleasantly ignorant to what’s happening everywhere. It’s a different world. These kids teamed up and mob attacked. That’s what I see on that video. If he didn’t defend himself, that certainly would have escalated on him. I do not think Miu caused death. I think the teens who attacked him should be held responsible for the death of their friend.
What disturbed me abt the Teens' behavior was that they were emboldened to bully a grown adult, and their maniacal laughter the entire time, especially when he was being physically attacked. They were so entertained by the suffering of another human. There's no defense for that. They clearly needed to learn that, in the real world, if you attack someone, they may attack back. Obviously I wish Issac had not been killed.
I agree! Every day is another one! Today, a girl at a mall called her boyfriend because 2 people were following her. He went to the mall and he was killed! He was only 14 years old! This world is a scary place.. those teens were doing this for a Tic Toc video. Jocks who had an attitude problem with an older man they chose to pick on. Plus the 2 Karen’s. Ive known lots of women like this, they’re annoying and always escalate situations.
I'm curious as to why they didn't touch him when he creepily ran up and grabbed their legs and tubes then? Not sure how someone telling you to just go and get the F out of here to de escalate the entire situation warranted Mr. Mui pushing or hitting her to where her glasses came off and she stumbled. Further more many others also yelling get away...go go go. It wasn't until he made the first violent move as well as already having the knife at his side that 2 or possibly 3 at most laid a hand on him by 1 punch, 1 slap and a couple pushes. I can't understand how so many don't see this for what it is. Yes the boys mouths are terrible and now the world has seen that but it still doesn't justify the bloodbath they had to experience and it blows my mind seeing folks like you with these excuses for Mui. He approached them and once the laughter and name calling started he had multiple opportunities to walk off. Anyone that doesn't agree has me blown away. These people didn't seek him out. It's the very opposite.
@@courtneyjohnson8407defense atty said glasses were never knocked off
They bullied him but that's words. This is about actions and he made physical contact first both times.
He ran after the young men and touched their legs (I would be creeped out too if a stranger was hovering and then charged me and touched me) and then he hits the woman telling him to leave. Actions have consequences and when you lay hands on someone you may get hit back. He was angry and frustrated and lashed out.
MO Miu was scared and without intention reacted to what he recognized as imminent harm. I think we all know mob-mindsets. These young people provoked and initiated a response from Miu. Mob mentality is frightening and he was stuck. Everyone at any time had the option to walk away so that argument holds no merit.
I feel awful about the outcome and the families must be devastated and angry. However Miu does not deserve jail time he needs treatment for PTSD instead, along with everyone involved.
Defense is grasping at straws giving Miu all the blame. These kids aren't 10 years old.
Everyone acted juvenile and drunked juveniles are ridiculous, and it cost a young life that everyone have to live with.
MHO Miu should get at worst house arrest and probation. The youth should be on probation for alcohol and drug use until 21 years of age.
Due to magnitude of this case, everyone physically involved need to suffer consequences of sorts.
I agree 💯
Adult Miu premeditated his attack
imagine walking towards, inciting and attacking a group you recognize as an iminent harm, with a lethal weapon in your pocket :D
House arrest would not begin to be the penalty he deserves. He needs prison time. He did not have sufficient reason to be where he was, he put himself in this situation. If nobody had any duty to retreat and Miu was the one who struck first and a woman no less, he was the instigator. At that point he should have let people know he was armed or he should have backed off.
Not letting people know that he was armed but sneakily pulling out his knife is a murderous very intentional act. I believe he's guilty of second-degree intentional homicide. He can get some help for PTSD in prison. I did not hear a blood alcohol level for Miu and it would be apparent to me from the footage that he had more to drink than the two beers that his then-wife suggested he'd had.
A young man died and four other people were gravely injured. The fact that he stabbed the girl and she was bleeding so hard is absolutely crazy. And when he was disemboweling a young man as if that was his only choice to do that at that moment that is just not true, which makes it clear intentional homicide. He knew that his actions were over and above those needed to defend his own life. He's a murderer. He should have a minimum of 20 years.
@martincerny3294 Mui didn't incite anything though. He was looking for something, the group (specifically Jawahn Cockfield) incited the whole ordeal. His yelling awful lies caused more drunks to show up and swarm and physically attack him.
If you watch the video, they didn't start yelling "he hit a woman" until after Mui had been pushed down into the water, slapped while down, then pushed back down into the water.
For me, it’s a fact that he lied about everything. I can’t stand bullying and I don’t love what those young men or teenagers did but he went way too far.! I would not feel safe having him walk around in the world. Someone says one wrong thing to him, and he’s going and stabbing everyone around! He did not have to go and stab anyone, never mind all of those people… that he seeked out, that he felt disrespected him. Too much. Too far.
More than one against one individual, I would grab anything with me or by me to defend myself
Boundaries, they put their hands on him! The worst thing ANY man ever wants to be called, especially in front of any crowd is a Pedophile! We all know what happens to them in a men’s prison, etc. It may be worse than the C word to a woman…
@xvang9767 Or you could have assessed the situation, checked your anger, and left
@@xvang9767 But you wouldn't approach a group of young, drunk adults on a river alone. And he didn't only do that but also brought a knife with him that he very well knew how to use. His military training shows.
He created the situation that made it necessary to defend himself. Not to mention that he went there to look for a phone no one asked him to look for.
Weird how it wasn't the words that brought out his knife, but the encircling by 13 rabid hyenas and physical assault of his person that brought out the knife. Convenient that you left that part out....
Even if Madison was pushed, if she put her hands on him first then he’s still not the initial aggressor.
Using your same logic of the first person to put hands on is the initial agressor, wouldn't that make NM the initial aggressor when he rushed downstream to grab the teens tube and made contact with two boy's legs? He then walked around their tubes downstream from them. He only moved off to the side out of their path when the second group arrived and he walked over to Madison.
@@ksjmward1998Many people in these comments seem to magically forget Miu made first contact with the boys charging at them pushing them out their tubes and touching their legs like you said. I don’t know why people think the teens touched him first it’s crazy
@@AHamp123 a lot of people go by their emotion so only look for facts that support what they already feel. Imo there were bad decisions and dishonesty on both sides, sad situation all round that could've easily been avoided. If he literally ignored their foul mouths and stayed where he was nothing would have happened, they had already passed him.
@AHamp123 yes. To me this is the number one key point. This is why I find nic guilty
@@ksjmward1998 Finally a reasonable comment here. The comment section on these videos of the trial are genuinely scary some of the takes these people have
Not guilty.anybody can see that
Anybody can't see this because there are many people that don't agree with you.
@@lilpinksliplee7310are you one of them?
Well, would you allow to have a different opinion than yours?
Any time with your analysis is good time spent! Thank you for all you do!!
Not guilty. The poor guy was being surrounded by a group of bullies, and it was being recorded by them to humiliate him
Oh poor guy was called names, he didn’t have to gut kids and stab one through the heart then cover it up or attempt to because he KNEW he was wrong
@@HockeyandHeels well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Yes!
Humiliation is not a defense for pulling a weapon and hitting a woman.
@@jimhull3103 I’m not saying it is, and there is zero proof that he hit a woman. I mentioned recording it because it shows the character of those fools
If I was a juror I would be so turned off by the state’s characterization of the situation. Two against 1 at most? When you have people screaming at you l, laughing at you, slapping you or knocking you down, you don’t know if there are 2 or 3 people provoking you 3:15 or 1 people Surrounding you.
Well maybe he should not of pushed(as he said) Madison. Several others stated he punched her and they were not involved. No on slapped, pushed or knocked down Mui till he assaulted Madison. Immediately after said assault the dude recording can even be heard saying you can't hit a women. It really doesn't matter that they were laughing at him
i was in a jury a few years ago and rhe defendant and his lawyer were the only likeable people in the room.
@@brinkee7674and maybe he should have left. 🤷♀️ watch the video- there’s like a whole 15 - 20 seconds before the stabbing where Miu is walking away, no one surrounding or touching him
@@brinkee7674when a drunk and belligerent woman you've never met gets in your face, yelling at you, grabbing at you, pushing and pulling you (all on video) you have every right to push that person away from you. If a man did that to another man and got punched out nobody would bat an eye. Women do not get special privileges under the law to confront and assault strangers without consequences.
@jackdonkey22 Well certainly not in this case.
Prosecuting attorney was an absolute boob… Disorganized, contradicting, and very blasé. The attorney who did the brief rebuttal was much more compelling.
The second guy was barely better, but otherwise, agreed.
Right at @29.29 I thought the same thing, it was the prosecutor that was mischaracterizing the situation. I’m so glad you said that LYK, Nic testified he had tunnel vision, he was being surrounded. He wouldn’t know how many people were a potential threat. They all were.
My guy was a King Co bailiff in WA. He said sleeping jurors happen
Listening to the Judge reading the Jury Instructions made me feel sleepy. After a while it starts sounding like "Wah, wah wah. Wah wah, wah..."
@@sanfranciscobay😂
@@sanfranciscobayYes!!! Same! 🥱 (And I really do say that with all due respect for the judge. I understand that it's important for the judge to do his best to appear impartial at this point, but yes, for me, and apparently others in the comments here, the reading of the jury instructions were too monotone and started to feel like, "Bueller... Bueller...Bueller...." and I had a hard time making myself stay focused).
@@sanfranciscobayLOL the Charlie Brown teacher voice played in my head when I read that. Def agree, totally sounded like that 😂
I was on a jury once and watched the plaintiff's attorney sleep through quite a bit of the trial.
Why have none of these young adults been charged with anything at all? I think that is a major political play on the part of the justice department here - and what is actually 'just' would be to charge them accordingly based on their actions as well.
Can’t tell u how many times I’ve heard numerous Cops on the show ‘Body Cam’ explain about time slowing down and getting tunnel vision, even though the traumatic event lasted only seconds! And how their memories of the event are cloudy, and fragmented. And the only reason they can now recall it rather matter of fact like, is from Watching the video over and over and by and being briefed by the other Officers involved… verbatim
Seriously shows why NEVER to speak to the police without a lawyer and to use the exact words to ask for a lawyer and say nothing else
Well the fact that time slows does not mean that brain goes faster. In contrary it freezes.
Sure bro. The guy's like wow kids were fighting with knives huh? Ditches the knife, takes sunglasses and acts like nothing happened, trying to escape the scene :D And when caught, lies about everything.
@@martincerny3294 No they just decidet to beat unknow up old guy for no reason to have a cool tic-toc video.
@@JosefKopal Since he attacked first, he probably wanted to spice up the tiktok video :)
Peter I could have listened to you for hours on this…watched the closings live and was so looking forward to your analysis this morning (replay crew😊). I would have voted not guilty in the poll. I had already felt like this before closings and the defence closing consolidated that for me. Thank you so much for your time on this😊🙏
Hope you are having a wonderful birthday evening dear Azam!🎉🌸🎉
If he pushed her and that started things, didn't she push him first?
Yes. Both of the drunk females assaulted him first.
no
Yes, she both girls put hands on him first. It’s very clear when the video is slowed down.
Yes they were pushing on his arms n chest
And there’s a whole 20 seconds before that where he could have walked away….
I said,not guilty
Could "kle goggles" (snorkel goggles) sound like "little girls" when asked what he was looking for? With his accent? The timing kinda fits.
Great point.
. Very good
Wow that is a brilliant thought
I thought the same thing
Good point!
No they were calling him a predator before he lost his goggles. He said he was looking for his phone
I do not think he should be found guilty… when talking to police about the knife I belief he was in shock.
I agree with you. None of us know what we would do in his situation. Also, I don’t believe he was charged with anything that had to do with the knife afterwards. His charges are about what he did with the knife during the attack. I believe it was self defense.
Lmao, "Oopsies, I lied about everything to the police, sowwy. Please ignore that!!!"
Shock and I don’t think he realized he actually had a defense without needing to lie. He did nothing wrong. But everything was probably a blur for him at the time and he was likely questioning his own decision
Or scared it is his word against 13 (unknown video at that time)
Really? He had enough wits about him to make up a whole story, including details. That's not shock.
Lawyer You Know, Subscribed because your videos are so much fun!
Does anyone think that Maddy caused a lot of this to happen??
Love listening to you! Happy I found you & your podcast♥️
And btw, not first degree. Interested and anxious to hear the decision the jury decides…
This is one of those "rare" trials where I really feel like it could just as easily go either way. A hung jury wouldn't suprise me with this one, either. I'm personally torn between guilty and not guilty... I can't even imagine the pressure a jury feels in cases like this. I think most times, a jury's verdict is easy to predict, but this one's not so easy. I feel like if it's a guilty verdict, it won't be first degree.
I think the point of the procesutions argument in the beginning was to say afraid people dont turn their back on a threat, but angry people might which turns him checking for his weapon to an offensive act to attack someone that pissed him off.
Thanks!- missed live but watched this entirely, your additional analysis/education is great enhancement!
If he was defending himself, why lie?
Even if he lied during the interrogation about how it happened, the video does NOT lie.
He said himself on the stand that the boys yelling "annoyed him" He wasn't in fear for his life at any stage, he had a knife ready to use at the first chance he got
You’re trying to apply his state of mind that existed initially to the actual moment where force was used. He wasn’t stabbing anyone when he was “frustrated”.
A threat to a life can happen in seconds. He couldn't have predicted that the tr@shy Cohen group was going to come over and present a dangerous threat. What you're feeling to acknowledge is it was THAT group who was more of a threat to his person.
Yeah, Dummy!
@@J-Burgerzhe sure didn’t act scared. He wasn’t yelling, he wasn’t running, he was just sticking anyone close to him.
That's why he used the knife AFTER getting the first round of ass kicking.
In terms of truthfulness I believe his statement that he was annoyed. Unlike the other witnesses who cant seem to accept they were taunting/touching Miu.
The self defense used, deep stabs and slicing, was not reasonable, in my opinion. 4:17
I swear some people just don’t think knives should be used for self defense, and I kind of feel it too. I’ve always thought I’d rather be shot than stabbed. There’s something odd or off about stabbing someone in my mind.
@@Bardmusic66 it's not self defense if you're aggrevating and escalating. With a consealed lethal weapon.
Thank you LYK absolutely love your channel and the discussions we have, I always learn something ❤
They were trying to strike a female juror
Verdict Watch! My mind changed over the course of the trial.
Me too
Not Guilty…one hundred present not guilty. This poor man was taunted by a lot of drunken teenagers…disgusting….they had no respect for an older guy with health problems. I had two knee replacements and I am so protective over my knees, if I was in this situation, I would have been completely upset.
Also, I call Bs on Nic attempting to sell the idea that he was in fear for his life. That is actually laughable. Explain to me how he can say that his level of fear was always a 1 or 2 but then try to oversell this idea that he was so afraid and in fear of his life. Give me and the rest of the planet a break because, you can’t have it both ways Nico!!
I think this is the first case that I disagree with Peter on and I've been a member since memberships began. But I still love how he gives examples of how he would've done things on either side and really does his best to point out good and bad points of each side in every single case he breaks down.
Edit: Happy Birthday Azam!! My membership is at 1 year, 11 months exactly and I truly love my OG LYK tribe!!!!
Same here. I disagree with him i had to stop watching
Same I disagree with Peter also, that's why I could not give him a this time.
What do you guys disagree about?
This swine is taking the psychopath's side because as he stated his viewers and subs have exploded for him over this case, and they're mostly insecure old farts so he doesn't show many pertinent parts of the trial and acts like he's the defence lawyer. Siding with a psychopath for clicks and money, that is the man you give money to.
I don’t recall hearing his thoughts about what the verdict should be in this case.
I think the case starts and ends at the very beginning of the video. He feels for his knife, he then rushes the boys tubes. It doesn’t matter if he thought they had the phone he was looking for or not, his actions show that’s now what his intentions were when approaching. If he thought it was the phone he would have verbally communicated that prior to rushing them. That’s where the altercation starts and where first physical contact is made NOT when Madison approaches…and who makes first contact between Nic and the boys???Nicolae Miu. Guilty.
I came back to say, I fully believe I was 110% right on this. Nicolae Miu will now rot. Thank god, may Isaac rest in peace. #isaacstrong
If Nick is arguing that he was afraid for his life then why wouldn’t he leave when the kids and others told him to leave. If he really feared for his life then why make the Argument that you stood your ground. Standing your ground doesn’t show you were afraid, it’s not like he was backed into a corner of an alley or something. He had a way to get out of the situation but chose to stay.
Also, in the interview with police the defense kept saying Nick feared for his life while so many of the other things he said in the same interviews were all made up lies. Why believe him when he said he was afraid when so much of what he said around those comments were lies.
If you have a river that’s 150 feet wide, why was Nick near the kids to begin with, especially when Nick’s group said they weren’t even on that part of the river? So how could the phone be over there near the kids.
If you’re looking for something that fell into the water, why not just wait for the kids to pass and then look in the water.
To me, I got the impression that Nick couldn’t stand being called the names he was called and wanted to show those people that he wouldn’t tolerate it.
In the end, I didn’t believe anything Nick said simply because of the fact that he lied so much right after it happened. If he lied about what happened in the interview why couldn’t his claim of such intense fear also be a lie? In the police car, Nick didn’t seem to be afraid. He casually asked what happened, like he didn’t have a clue.
If I had been in that kind of situation I would have put up my hands up for everyone to see and said “hey, I’m not looking for any trouble. I didn’t mean any harm to you guys. Sorry if I spooked you, I just wanted to find my friends phone.” And then walked away or backed away if I didn’t want to turn my back on them.
Better yet, walk up to them; “ he guys, my friend dropped his phone in the water, have you seen one around?”
Kids say and do dumb things, even when not drunk, but that possibly inappropriate behavior doesn’t make it ok to attack them with deadly force when you could have simply removed yourself from the equation. I would never have tried to stand my ground in a situation like that if I feared for my life. I would have backed out and gone back to my own group.
If you watched his testimony -and it makes sense that’s why it is believable and truthful -is because he thought the menchildren have the phone he is looking for. He saw one of them holding the phone -which now we know they are holding because they were filming. That’s why he rushed towards them. Owen, the last of the menchildren to testify, told the cops that Miu told them he is looking for a phone when they asked him what he was doing. Of course, that was not captured in the video and he changed this story when he testified under oath.
You sound SANE! Obviously he’s NOT!!!
Makes me wonder if this was fulfilling a childhood fantasy.
He didn’t fear for his life at that point. Your entire premise is based on a false hood. Mr mui didn’t fear for his life UNTIL he was attacked.. he was hit 4 times by 3 people before from ALL angles before he stabbed anyone. It’s all on video..
Because he was “standing his ground” like he said multiple times on the stand. He didn’t want to leave, even though he was sooooo afraid..
It doesn't seem just that they can include lesser charges to the case.
I think its just, I don't think 1st degree murder applies in this case, instead the 2nd degree reckless homicide is more applicable.....and the jury has that flexibility to apply it if they find him guilty.
Something Mr Miu said about stabbing the guy who tried to break it up is that he didn’t know his intentions. That would indicate to me that Mr Miu overreacted to the amount of force he received.
I don't understand that conclusion. Mui was being hit and pushed from every angle, and this was all happening so fast. How was Mui supposed to know the person was trying to break up anything, when he had more than a dozen people putting hands on him? Is he supposed to be a mind-reader? If dude was trying to break up the altercation, why was he pushing Mui and not the people who were hitting and pushing him? Remember, the only people who got stabbed were people who were physically attacking him.
The juror in question for dozing off was a 90 year old woman.
I heard the 90 yr old ia man?
Poor thing!
90!!!!!😳 She shouldn't have been on the jury in the fist place! 🙄
@@mandyreardon2177so age discrimination? Classy!
@@rockstarofredondo😂You really need to educate yourself on the aging process. A 90 year old generally won’t hold the same mental faculties as say someone in their 30’s. It’s science! lol!
Lawyer You Know, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
The reason that Miu's behavior After the incident is so important is because it shows his attitude towards what happened/his state of mind. The video only shows his Action.
I'm 40 yrs old and grew up in a Louisiana town with nice rivers. When I was 18 we had 12-20 man groups all over South Louisiana that fistfought each other in every parish. We could really do damage to an outnumbered opponent.
Finally someone who understands how small towns are especially where they drink a lot lol
@@minilea25 Out of all the different vices a person can get Intoxicated on. Alcohol is by far the worst for mankind. They had 2 different highschool teams and the town would literally shutdown for the game. We would meet up at Party's and have fistfights between the football teams. Those fights would happen for the most Petty reasons.
@@brandonphillips9813 I so very much agree. It's because I've seen what that poison can do to people I love that I don't drink alcohol. I live here in WI and so many people have drinking problems it's hard to go to public events in the summer. Summerfest is more like drunkfest.
Can anyone suggest why the teens were not later charged with underage drinking/smoking, and other charges? I understand there was a bigger fish to fry, but being a teenager does not give you an excuse to provoke others. As a 19 year old, I’ve known better than to call people I don’t know names since I was taught manners before I could walk.
They might have been. We likely would not have heard those charges in the trial due to relevance. The jury can understand by witness testimony and evidence that there was underage drinking. They don’t need evidence of charges to prove it, no one is contesting it. I bet if you looked it up online you’d find those underage drinking charges for those that were 18-20 years of age at the time.
charged with underage drinking? :D It's a misdemeanor, you get a small fine at maximum, what a moronic take. But it's quite telling that you would like to charge kids with a misdemeanor when a crazy guy literally killed one of them and stabbed multiple others.
@@martincerny3294 moronic, lol! I’m a goody two shoes 🤦🏼♀️ I had no idea (I think I’m also more than 20 years older that the original commenter). Wouldn’t it still be public record though? Maybe not, otherwise content creators would have been all over it. And for the record, I believe Miu is guilty.
@@lifeonmakeup6458 I wasn't replying to you, it was a reply to the OP. My point is that one kid died, multuple got stabbed and the OP starts about how crazy it is that they weren't charged for underage drinking.
Might be a misdemeanor, but it contributed hugely to this case. Or do you say they are normally that confrontational in everyday life?
In France, legally speaking, no one would be shocked by Nick lying about the knife and so on.
There is nothing wrong with lying to save his life. If he had had an attorney right away, he would have been advised to tell the truth. But alone against so many hostile witnesses, his lies would have been understood as a way to save his case.
There is a huge difference between lying saying the knife is not yours and putting your knife in the hand of the person you stabbed, effectively blaming the kid for what the killer did. It is despicable.
@D-Trez that's why he should have had an attorney right away. He thought that if he had told the police it was his own knife, he would had no chance against so many hostile witnesses.
The fact is that he was bullied then attacked by so many kids and adults with no reason , that he did not bring his knive to kill someone that could lead to premeditated his crime.
Everything is shown in the video, that s the only thing that matters. to the beginning of the case to the end,
try to figure out why nick or the kids lied is not so important. We know that he own the knive and that he killed a kid, we know that he was not a sick man looking for little girl, we know thanks to the video that the kids weren't scared as they didn't stop laughing and taunting Miur.
They all said, in different way, that he punched madison, but not only you can t see that in the video, but nobody look surprise or shock by the "punch" on the contrary they didn't stop laughing and filming .
The jury will make their decision from this video.
@@D-TrezEven if he lied about HOW it happened, one thing he never wavered from was he was defending himself. He never knew he was being filmed by the menchildren in the river until the interrogator told him in the middle of or towards the end of the interrogation. Think about it: he did not know he was being filmed, so he could have denied the stabbings or he could have invented a different story aside from the self-defense. For example, he could have lied and said he was under the influence or possessed, and did not know what he was doing. One thing that does not lie, though, is the video of the attacks on Miu.
People get too hung up on lying. There are other details…
Hey, @didier75012 great point... They were real life trolling Nick... This generation really will do Anything for a good laugh..
Thank you for great coverage and insight again. Take care Peter, and your family.
Madison having a phone in her swimsuit, both a drink and her vape in her hand and wearing sunglasses having none of those items disturbed are saying something about the alleged punch. I would expect if I were struck in the face I would drop everything and grab my face out of reflex and surprise. I absolutely love the defense attorney in this case, his closing was especially great. I hope Nick gets to go home a free man today!
Everyone says mui should have walked away, why didnt the 2 groups walk away??
he approached them for no good reason
@@benfrese3573 he did?
@@leggy846 are you slow? yes
@@benfrese3573 absolutely not, my nickname is actually flash!!!!
He's totally guilty.
He lied and obfuscated at every turn., right up through his testimony yesterday.
And he smiled while he was supposedly fearing for his life.
Unless you buy the total liars explanation that he had "lock jaw"!
If you do, I have an awesome bridge to sell you in Ukraine...
In Romania…❤
@@terriescheel3093😅😅😅
Shoving an older man into water, hitting him, holding him under-- Utter disregard for human life
Nobody pushed him under in ankle deep water!😂😂😂
but gutting a person from toe to tip isn't "utter disregard for human life"?
That's not something that happens from falling backwards into the water, he wasn't hit by a train but shoved by some 150 lbs teen
He testified that he was not in fear during the incident and that he could have gotten away from the teenagers at any time. Nobody held him under water. Please watch him on cross examination.
Almost anyone who has ever taught in a classroom has experienced situations where 13 or more teens and young people are around them with several of them heckling. Without any physical contact or direct verbal threat, it does not create a fear for ones own safety. If you were feared to the point of drawing a knife in those situations , you could not even walk through a shopping mall.
Facts
exactly! Finally someone with common sense. Teens act exactly like this in a classroom, but you don't see teachers regularly stabbing kids in sheer fear for their lives do you :D
An old jury lady might be terrified at idea of teens jumping around shouting, but their imagined fear wasn't Miu's, he was comfortable. Miu chose an outing where he knew he'd be surrounded by raucous drinking young people. He even left his group, went off on his own despite his friend telling him not to because people might think he was a predator.
The idea that Miu could not just push Maddie or Riley to the side and walk back to his own group or walk a few feet away then search for his mask after the young groups drift on, is ridiculous. some loud girl tells you to go away, you can either go, or ignore them. No reasonable person decides to hit them in front of all their male adult friends.
but there was physical contact, and the false accusations of pedophilia were threatening.
I hear people suggesting Miu’s upbringing in Romania may have affected his responses. How could that be an excuse at his age and given the amount of time he has lived in the US?
It may be, but he is an experienced adult, military trained. Using a deadly weapon with force in fisticuffs with, in this case a bunch of unarmed, uncoordinated drunk teens, is a decision. He should face his decision, his responsibility and the consequences.
They say there was no duty to retreat, and Miu had a right to stand his ground. Sometimes that could be true if you are protecting your home, family, even personal property. But in this case what was Miu standing his ground to protect? Nothing? His dignity? Pride? What was so important to him that he had to draw a line in the sand and dare them to make him leave? The lives of the human beings he stabbed, indeed teens and in one case a female are not a fair trade for him protecting what he perceives as his turf.
it was not his turf, it was his life he was protecting.
Yes, and asserting a right to stand your ground, for nothing other than to exercise that right out of principle, contradicts fearing your life. Imagine being in some life threatening situation and then wanting to stand your ground too, makes no sense. Its one or the other, not both.
@@MG-ot2yr no he was not able to retreat at times, and if the smaller older heart attack victim cant perceive who else will attack him and is afraid to turn his back on others he is infear of his life.
@@BondJames-vz5wk Yes he was, there was no moment in that video that he was unable to leave, he had a clear exit at all times.
@@MG-ot2yrthe one time he tried to leave (at the beginning when it was just the group of boys), they got off their tubes and went towards him.
The altercation happened so fast, when could he possibly try to run away when he was being attacked from every angle? Not to mention, they're in water so it's not that easy to "run" or even walk, away.
I think you're getting caught up in the frame by frame, which is 24 frames per second. The situation was dynamic, people moving around him the entire time. Just because it looked like he had an escape route during 1/24 of a second, doesn't mean that escape route actually existed.
Dude that was like going through 1L Crim la all over again listening to the jury instructions .
He started it, he continued it, he ripped their bodies with his own hand, he’s an angry middle aged man who thought he was in charge and could delve out his punishment and tried to cover it up tossing away the weapon and with all of his lies and he’s totally guilty!
Terrible situation and I feel for the decedent’s family. However if I was a juror, I’d find him not guilty. People don’t deserve to die because they bully, but those “kids” were bullies. Although I don’t like AJ, I’m glad he survived (along with the others). Regardless of what happens to the defendant, I hope those “kids” grow up to be better people, perhaps even become anti-bullying advocates (although that’s probably wishful thinking).