Real Lawyer Reacts: Apple River Trial Recap - How Interpreters Affect A Trial
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As a Spanish speaker- I was going nuts hearing the court interpreter NOT saying exactly what the witness said. ITS CRUUUUUUCIAL 😤😩🫠☠️
Seriously like WTF was the prosecutors thinking?!?! Do they want to lose their case?!?!?
Now I want to know details, lol. I was losing my mind listening to the questions and responses, thinking how in the world is this so difficult and confusing.
Me too 😡
@@Gracebk4tqthe case is weak, it’s not easy to convict when the case is this weak
Absolutely! The interpreter missed crucial details on the witness emotional and mental state as well as details about opposing parties. Also, having a Spanish speaking police officer conducting the interview is not sufficient nor does it allow the witness to have an objective person there to be neutral. Why on cross for the defendant did they not throw out that evidence about the interview conducted by the Spanish speaking police officer.
One thing this case showed me is that people who question weather the Idaho 4 could have been killed by knife in the 12 minute window, the answer is yes. In this case this guy stabbed 5 people right in front of others, and they didn’t even realize it until after they were all stabbed. Took only 10-20 seconds.
Good point.
i thought of that too! i would have never thought a little pocket knife would do all that damage.
I still believe that Miu is guilty. The force he used was not appropriate. His behavior aroused suspicion in the teens. Why does a 50's individual act like that? I am 69 and would never have acted like that. Very immature of Miu. I am sure the State will make mince meat of Miu when he takes the stand next week. Miu never stayed behind to tell police he acted in self defense. He lied and said the teens had a knife. The way he acted while in police car. He knew to put on his shirt hat and sunglasses but in the police car he acts clueless. Unbelievable.
He didn't bug out in a car without a drop of blood in it or on him in that time though. Duh. If he did do that he probably did not take a car.
@@LTPottenger I’m not trying to argue that case here, but he would have had plenty of time to do the crime then strip off whatever coveralls and bag up before he got into the car.
I don't believe for a minute that they didn't talk about it with each other.
The only one not lying is the video.
It doesn't matter. He had no right to kill anyone. Period.
@@trucuriousityhe certainly had the right to defend himself.
@trucuriousityi I would have in those circumstances. A pack of animals surrounding me and me the weak one? Yep, you bet, if it's them or me it's gonna be them!
@@trucuriousityI’m with you on this one. He could have walked away, not engaged. As an adult, when I’ve been around obnoxious children I just leave.
However, I still think the jury will find him no guilty. That’s my guess
2- my dads first language is Spanish, and even though he speaks broken English- he still asks me to go to appointments with him (Dr, bank, selling his house). Because I always catch things he doesn’t, or there’s something he doesn’t understand or he may not know the right words to explain himself.
I worked at h&r block years ago and if we had a Spanish speaking preparer I would book their appointment with a Spanish speaking preparer or loan out another receptionist because taxes can be very intimidating and I want them to go home confident they were done right .
Totally agree with you!
I recommend watching all the body cam footage in this case; it's equally as important as the primary video in this case.
I’m Spanish and my parents who have thick accents can understand most English but not formal English so my mom can hold a convo in English but if you’re using big words… she needs to hear it in Spanish to fully understand.
I find it interesting that he didn’t say anything the entire time the video is recording. He could have walked away. He wasn’t in a contained room. When I look at the taunting and bullying compared to one killed and at least 3/4 seriously injured, it just doesn’t seem justified. I wonder what the jury will think of him not saying a word during the altercation. His behavior after the fact is insane. Ditching the knife. Not telling his friend group what happened, and then straight up telling the police he heard someone got stabbed and he matches the description?! How much man power was used looking for him that could have been used in aiding the victims? Interesting SD case and extremely heart breaking.
Don’t forget that he told police that he had no weapon and they were brandishing at least two knives at him.
@@salinaraey5165yeah that was a big mistake on his part and that could put him behind bars for a long time. The whole incident was a big mistake. Walking away is always the best opinion.
Well said. Finally a person who sees Miu for what he really is.
If you watch the video again, he is speaking to the females until the boys come up from behind him. He was 62 ft down river from initial contact with raft group to stabbing area so that show he did walk away. He took a couple steps back from the females and they continued advancing on him. 0.25 speed video is amazing and i hope jury gets that as well
@@salinaraey5165 I didn’t actually see that. I haven’t watched opening statements or seen any police interrogation videos besides what was said at the river. I wonder if the defense will say that he was afraid to speak because of his accent. That it may have made things worse. Not justified-just curious. They keep saying he wasn’t drinking but that would mean he had his wits about him compared to the other kids/adults. He seemed like he was on something though. He was off and not in shock in my opinion.
LISTEN TO THE AUDIO in the beginning of the video! Jawahn is so loud being next to the phone that it's difficult to hear, but when he yells "what are you doing?", one of the teens says "HE LOST HIS CELL PHONE!" Jawahn then taunts him with his new iphone and makes it appear that he has his phone, which then he heads back to the tubes to get it. Drops his snorkel and tried to retrieve it. Then Jawahn LIES and says he's looking for little girls. All Hell breaks loose and they all think this is funny....until it's not. The entire attack lasted less than 20 seconds.
You can hear them say he is looking for a lost phone! LISTEN. Pay attention. Listen to them without watching. I'm wondering if that missing part of the video was intentional. There were also other phones video taping. We have not seen the other videos.
@michelemccowan5924 perfectly stated & also Jawahn keeps shouting “do it for the culture “ do it for the culture” in the video
@@stephaniesmart Jawahn was the instigator. He also lied under oathe.
Regardless, he attacked twice before others responded and he could have left countless times. Being jerks is no excuse to stab people. And to punch or slap a women?
@@sandisaad3562 go back and watch the actual video or try harder to spread misinformation.
@@michelemccowan5924 that’s the thing I don’t get, they can’t stop lying even after seeing the truth in “their” own video. I may understand if it was the defense video (then they could claim tampering or some AI editing) but it’s the prosecutions own video from the states witness !!!
He was SMILING. He casually strolled away with his friends, who clearly were lying on the stand.
That smirk is haunting & won’t go unnoticed by the jury. He’s a sicko. GUILTY
The drunk “children” were smiling and laughing when they attacked him
He looked uncomfortable. He was not smiling. That is your perspective, which is not a fact.
I also felt he was smiling, seemingly enjoyed the confrontation. The intoxicated teenagers were laughing but they didn’t have weapons. They weren’t exercising wisdom or good judgment, but the middle-aged sober man could have used MUCH better judgment in how he responded to the teenagers from the beginning. And he knew the whole time that he had a weapon, which they didn’t know, and he used it discreetly and did as much damage as possible to as many kids as possible.
Absolutely that guy was standing right there the whole time and why lie, he saw it he saw him stabbing those people
So as an interpreter that is taking my court certification test on Tuesday…. This is an interpreter, NOT a translator. Translators are for written language. Interpreters are for spoken language. Just FYI.
Thank you for this info. Good luck with your certification exam!
Thank you!! As an ASL Interpreter - love that you clarified the difference! Good luck with your testing!
Where have you been all my life? Been searching for a recap on this. Thanks for being YOU
1. He ran up on them and grabbed their tubes, and stopped their progress.
2. He could of walked off at any time.
3. When the other group came over he never attempted to call for help or leave
4. He struck a women in to start the physical altercation
5. He could of raised his knife and told them to back off
6. Look at his face that is not the face of fear, he is smirking and he is pissed
And all the things you've listed have been disproven by the video. He was the only victim. They got owned.
1, 2, 3 - irrelevant to the self defense charge. 4. Maybe, or she was shoving a phone in his face and he was just clearing his personal space. 5. Might have worked, but when he came up swinging, he might have been really fearing for his life, and not in a position to make a reasoned assessment of the situation. 6. Irrelevant to whether subsequently when he was in the water being whacked and pushed he felt he was in danger. My assessment is that he is guilty - of manslaughter and intentional endangerment etc - but I suspect that the state will lose because of overcharging - but it won't matter for re-election or political advancement - so winning!
Absolutely
*could have, never could of
They held up a phone. I think he thought it was his friends
SOOOO glad you're covering this! I just heard about this case a week ago. And yes, the interpreters were a bit frustrating to listen to. 😬
i don’t think i’ve ever heard of someone in their 90s being on a jury! it’s pretty impressive that everyone agreed that the juror could handle the long days in court and keeping all the facts straight at that age.
I watched some of the trial on a certain channel where they gave commentary, replayed bits etc in the courts breaks, is that where you got this from? Cos I don't recall them saying there is a 90 yr old, they regularly put a list up and I saw the oldest saying 80's
@@sherihartley794 i thought Peter said it in this video!
@emmy2417 he did sorry I typed that before he said it, then I couldn't find my comment again to delete or edit it sorry
I have just found out I was wrong, there is none in the 80's and one in the 90's
Love how they violated the sequestration order, Ariel watching Ernesto testify in the hallway. That's a tell.
Thank you for covering this topic!
It absolutely impacts the flow of an attorney! There are no gotcha moments with interpreters, they just ask to repeat the question until thy think of an acceptable answer...
Most polarizing case I’ve watched in ages! Gonna be a long deliberation IMO. Also - just seeing how one slice disemboweled AJ it’s unimaginable what the “Idaho 4” endured.
Exactly. How sharp did that knife have to be to slice someone open like that?
@@salinaraey5165 People are soft. I cut veggies with very dull knives. Not hard to imagine.
@salinaraey5165
The knife was just 2 inches long.
Had to have force to plunge and use upward motion to inflict maximum damage. That is intent to kill. Several of those kids almost died.
It wasn't just slicing through skin or superficial wounds, it was deadly wounds to vital organs (intestines, diaphragm, heart).
How can anyone not see the difference between drunk kids being foolish
(yet not violent since they didn't attack him even when he charged them and pushed on the tubes they were sitting on, and they called for help instead of attacking him when he wouldn't leave.)
Versus him,
he claims self defense when he never called for help,
refused to leave,
and was the 1st to use violence by striking the female. He's old enough, any sane person, to know that would set off a reaction in her male friends standing nearby.
@@sA-ny2jlwe don’t know for sure that he struck the female!
IMO. So far from what I’ve seen and heard, This would probably not have happened, if the guy filming literally insinuated a riot/hate crimes from yelling out his horrible accusations 🤷♀️
Nicolae approached the kids who were already in their tubes, and they were totally unarmed. He persisted coming around them, and they told him to leave. Then he struck the blond for being too loud. That's what instigated the boys' reactions. They did not know he was armed with a knife and his vicious attacks were not warranted.
We see and hear what we want …they said the blonde fell into the water after getting “punched” that was a lie, proven in court., she believed he was a peado because of the mob .
He was stood down river so their raft obviously moved to him ( witness statement)
He ran at them ? Try running in water .
100% agree
That is not how normal, civil teenagers should react, let alone men in their early twenties. Wannabe gangsters just f’ed around and found out they messed with the wrong person, nothing more nothing less.
@aznpersuazn how were they wannabe gangsters exactly. They weren't attacking him with knives, they had no weapons on them. He is the 1 who clearly lunges at them when they're on their tubes and physically attacks them, at no point in time before that do they even try to engage physically with him., only after he does that do they even stand up. You can clearly see the Asian boy jump up and run away. Hardly the actions of a wannabee ganster unlike that murderer who snuffed out the life of a young boy because kids were drunk and calling him names and he seriously wounded others. If it was your child you'd be demanding the death penalty. That guy is a special kind of evil.
I feel that Mr. Mui had plenty of chances to leave the teens alone. He also started it by going in front of their tubes so they could not continue down the river. There is no excuse to stab so many people because your feelings are hurt because of the words they are saying or calling you. Where was his group, why did they not go over to get him out of the situation. I feel that he is guilty, he killed a teenage boy and injured several others. That one young man that he stabbed him so hard his intestines came out, and spent 27 days and numerous surgeries including feeding tubes. Mr. Mui did not have a scratch on him, I do not believe this was self-defense, it was anger!
💯💯💯💯💯💯
The AJ guy whose bowel was cut through - that was more than a self-defense stab.
I agree. I’d find him guilty if I were a juror.
10 in a 10+ v 1, you expect the 10+ to have a good enough conscious to collectively come up with the right decision, and they didn't. you can’t rely on one person to make the right decision. He was ridiculed, harassed and assaulted beyond what most people can tolerate. He also had a heart attack with a triple bypass before this, so I don’t doubt he feared his life. They had no regard for his mental capacity, and that’s how it got to this level of extremity. The outcome is very unfortunate especially over something so irrelevant, but I guarantee you Miu would not have gone on a random stabbing spree had they not triggered him to do so. I wasn’t understanding of his side at first, but I simply cannot stand behind individuals who said while assaulting him that this was “for the culture,” which they claimed meant “greater good,” when the greatest good would’ve been to call the professionals trained to handle “rapers” if they had felt any sort of unsettling feeling of him “looking for little girls” (in which they also failed to mention what i assume would’ve been an important piece of context to police or in the report). One persons guilt doesn’t define the rest of their innocence. All, including Miu, should be charged.
I agree people were hurt so bad that intestines and bowel damage. Fatal wound to the heart there was not reason for such force just because he was called names. Miu held the knife so close to his side that no one saw it until it as too late. Then Miu went back to hisgroup and discarded the knife. Consuchnes of guilt.
I can't say which way I'm leaning on guilt or not. We haven't heard/seen all of the testimony and evidence to come. Thank you for covering this!
Several items that stand out as not self defense, but 3 main items.
Self defense has to be that you fear for your life being in immediate danger, and have no choice left but to use deadly force.
If he feared for his life, then why did HE refuse to leave when everyone else was asking him to leave, walk away from the situation. That was his obvious no violence choice, just walk away.
2nd, using a 2 inch knife, yet he gutted one kid with his intestines spilling out, the girl he plunged into her diaphragm, etc and killed the last kid. That takes a lot of force, and deliberate upward motion to inflict as much damage as possible. He wasn't wildly swinging or slicing, he was plunging the knife deep and upward. That is intent to kill. Which makes it seem like rage, not fear.
3rd, He lied to police and claimed the boys had assaulted him trying to pull down his pants, and they had knifes and we're threatening him; that he had no knife, and had no choice but to defend himself.
@sA-ny2jl Those are very good points. I would have been scared and would have bolted from there as fast as I could to get back to the safety of my friends. #2 is hard for me to get past. Is it self defense to stab multiple people?? Having a hard time wrapping my head around how that is self defense. I do think that the young guys started it by taunting him and then surrounding him. That in itself would be terrifying, but he did have a chance to walk away...
I believe the defendant is guilty. He murdered Isaac
I only have to say in regards to what you said, He had ample opportunity to leave. Everyone standing there said over and over Leave! Were they yelling at him, yes. Did it get way out of hand on both sides, yes! However, under no circumstances, was it lawful to stab some and end the life of one! Throw a punch, talk it out, even yell! What happen was wrong! Many of these kids will never be the same because of this event. I am in my sixties, this is how I feel about this case!
I’m in my 50s and I disagree with your perception of this. They were all yelling and screaming and telling him to go the opposite way of where his people were. He tried to signal that his people were the other way, but the blonde escalated the situation to a point where it got violent and only individuals who put their hands
on him were stabbed. I am sorry that that boy died, but that boy had his hands on the defendants throat. The video doesn’t lie.
Didn't the defendant initially walk over and stop the boys' tubes as they were floating bye. Im going to have to go back and watch that young mans testimony and watch the beginning of the video. If he did, Initiated contact, he's guilty. He had time to ignore the chattering and head back to his group. I also believe the states attorney isn't very good. Very choppy questioning and seems not very confident. I get the self-defense senerio, but i feel the defendant had multiple opportunities to get away.
Bingo. It amazes me on how many people have a problem grasping that. All I can guess is they were or are being picked on. He actually after stopping the boys walked away then went to the 2 girls/women. That dude is missing something. I get getting pissed off but you also cant claim the women were in his space when it was him that approached them. He even admitted pushing Madison(2nd initiation) but I really think he did punch her. Either or, that set off the events. Several people not even involved in the altercation also said they saw him punch her
Thank you Peter. I’m glad to hear how you came to your legal point. I have been struggling until recently. 😊
I agree with you Peter. I am leaning towards not guilty
Why???
Several items stand out as not self defense, esp 3.
Self defense has to be that you fear for your life being in immediate danger, and have no choice left but to use deadly force.
If he feared for his life, then why did HE refuse to leave when everyone else was asking him to leave, walk away, from the situation. That was his obvious and easy no violence choice, just walk away.
2nd, though using 2 inch knife, yet he gutted one kid with his intestines spilling out, the girl he plunged into her diaphragm, and killed last kid. That takes a lot of force, and deliberate upward motion to inflict as much damage as possible. He wasn't wildly swinging or slicing, he was plunging the knife deep and upward. That is intent to kill. Which makes it seem like rage, not fear. And no need since after initial reaction to his striking a female and coming to her defense they were already backing off and yet the guy that was telling them to stay back even got stabbed.
3rd, He lied to police and claimed the boys had assaulted him trying to pull down his pants, and they had knifes and we're threatening him; that he had no knife, and had no choice but take away a knife from one of them and defend himself.
If not for the video, his story could have ended up being believed, him the sober adult vs drunk teenagers.
@@sA-ny2jl Because that's not when he feared for his life. He only feared for his life at the point they were punching him and throwing him in the water.
Me too!! Young people these days are bullying others like it is normal.
@@AleVale007 senile old bit ch I'm sure your generation is perfect
I agree with you. They called him a child molester. They went towards him, they were making fun of him. He felt threatened.
Lying is an acknowledgement of guilt, but it doesn’t mean he was guilty of first degree murder. They were kids in a gang, acting with a herd mentality.
It is sad the kid that died was 17 yo, but it doesn’t mater to the case. Except that as an adolescent boy he was making poor decision. It is what happens.
Peter is so right ! My son in law can speak English kinda good but a lot of times he looks at me like he doesn’t comprehend. His first language is Spanish and his friends are all Spanish speaking. These witnesses should have been interviewed with an interpreter initially.
This was a super informative video and I'm glad you talked about the interpreters. Thanks & I'm really glad you're covering this trial!
The testimonies have been wild and many don’t give the same account.
True which is why the only real reliable account is what is shown on the video.
Most only remembered the things that made them look good.
I felt like you were reading my mind today! Super glad you are covering this topic. This was the first time I felt that language was used as a defense strategy...I didn't like it but I felt the witnesses and the lawyers selectively used language as a memory manipulation....
I speak Spanish and I can tell you that every time Ariel kept saying he didn’t understand the question, he was BSing.
Hoping LYK also gets into the witness watching the trial before being called. 🤦🏻♀️
Yeah, I hope so too.
Literally what this video covered! Lol
@@soleillebolduc2448 Yes, thank you.
This comment was before the premiere started. 😊
So glad you are talking about this! Defense counsel was permitted to lead all of his witnesses and take out of order by blaming translators. Also they just happened to permit them to stream the entire trial by ‘forgetting’ to provide the translation saying not to do that and not to align their testimony. The prosecution is so mellow, let it all happen.
The Defense has nothing to work so they have to use every dirty trick in the book. Its just a game to them. Egos and all that. Once its a televised trial they CANT lose. Because winning will triple the value of their practice over night.
Agree with Peter 100 percent!
I think that a older jury also can work the other way around though. The same way woman can judge other woman more harshly.
I'm leaning more to guilty from 2/3 days back. I can see self-defence in the first stab. But 5? And lying? Not calling 911?
But I also don't think this was his plan for that day... Need to see more. :)
They have all been caught in lies, including the thugs. My mind sways when another person testifies, but that tape does not lie. No jury will look at that and see it for anything less than what it was....self-defense.
Each person stabbed was in his personal space- he only had the length of his arm to harm them- if they had backed up 12 inches they could not have been within strike range. ( iMO)
@Sam4got True, standing in someone's personal space is antisocial and plain rude. But is that enough to stab somebody?... Where is his responsibility in all of this? He was the adult. (I'm genuinely curious in how you see this....)
They were not just in his personal space they were advancing towards him yelling and pointing after he had been punched down backwards into the water 3 times and had somebody holding him down in the water from behind.
@mflannery4450 Okay, but by stab 2 mabye okay. But after he did standup again and everybody just screamed go.... That isn't self-defence anymore to me? 🤐
Very interesting to hear how interpreters can impact trials. Thanks for covering this aspect.
I've watch all of this trial. I would vote so far as not guilty, this before the defense has their full turn. It was the video and the battle cries of those kids/young adults, that sold me on my views.
If he was in such fear for his life, Why did he not walk away? There were several times he could have retreated, walked away.
he did walk away... and they surrounded him on all sides
@@darthelmo1 one of the assaulters even said they went to form a wall around him. Lots of evidence showing he was surrounded
@@darthelmo1 are you a bot?
@@darthelmo1 Have you ever been tubing on a river or rafting? His group was upstream. They formed a U shape mob around him upstream, where his group was. He could have gone back downstream away from them, but he was signaling for help from his group which was hundreds of feet upstream. They assumed he was alone, which he was not. A dozen highly intoxicated "young" people were harassing him and would not let him pass. FACTS.
Because they would not LET him just walk away. Watch the damn video.
Interesting Jury ages. I agree with what you are saying. Loved how in day 4 the defense team reminded the prosecution that it's their job to prove burden of proof. It's an interesting trial. Sad that people have died and been hurt. I'd be leaning to self defence.
The teens didn’t go his group. He came to their group, twice.
And? Can you cite the statute or case law where that would deprive him of the right to self defense?
@@electricpaper269 you are joking, right.....he inturded on the teens, he was looking to start a fight, hitting a girl, are you serious?
Guy is free to go wherever he wants, the video shows him being attacked by multiple young strong men, he had a right to defend himself
He came back the second time cuz the young adults were taunting him when he was leaving. They could have just let him go on his way but getting his reaction on video was way too important. Those young adults F**k'd around and found out. 🤣🤣🤣
this for me as well.
I’ve been watching the Trial on this case. Thanks a bunch For the video!!
Interesting, thanks for covering this
Though I resonate with Miu's fear once the yelling began, I am still conflicted that he rushed at the tubes and grabbed a boy's legs. That to me is the first true escalation because it was physical, not verbal. Until then, the kids were all still in their tubes and would have just floated on by. Instead of arguing with them, he should have walked away. Only he knows why he didn't do that. So sad.
Check sec 0.4-0.8 they are clearly taunting him with something, swishing water with their legs probably that’s the reason of him actually touching tubes/legs
Miu seems mentally ill. He did not behave like a normal, well-functioning adults. He is responsible for initiating everything and escalating
@@CarrieV9 he is not normal functioning he has quadruple bypass…I agree he looks weird and the end is tragic
You can't be the aggressor and then claim self defence. Don't poke a bear and then when it attacks you, claim self defence.
@@desirenicola6231I’ve had heart surgery, and haven’t stabbed and killed anyone.
Please keep covering this!❤
words of wisdom... thank you 💜
I was wondering why they kept calling a 50 year old man "elderly" and making him seem so frail and weak. Makes sense that they're trying to appeal to the genuinely elderly members of the jury.
That man is no invalid
My dad is 55 he is not the man he used to be he had two back injuries and I'f 3 or 4 of my buddies who are in our 20s where to push him around we could hurt them
he's not elderly, but he had a quadruple bypass 2 years ago.
He’s not elderly. He is a middle aged ex-Millitary tough guy. Did you see his social media? Telling.
@@CarrieV9 what's his FB name from the URL? I don't see it
Also me, a nobody swinging a knife would not know the major points where to stab and slice it seems Nic knew where to slice.
I thought he looked pretty professional at what he was doing and it makes me wonder if he's done it before
@@user-hv1yt9bc6b CLEARLY. Plus he jammed into that outfit going to slither off the scene no prob!!!!
Yes!
He was skilled with that knife, and that is something they completely overlooked. They felt tough and emboldened that day, and they learned why that is a very very bad idea. Leave others alone, as we never know what another person will do.
@Annie497
Everyone told him to go, leave, walk away.
He is the one who didn't leave them alone.
Thanks for covering this trial!
I've just caught up on the trial, a potential issue must have been raised at some point but yesterday after the jury were dismissed for the day they discussed it and Anderson said he speaks Spanish and he was happy with the translations
Peter, thank you for keeping us updated on these cases and discussing everything from a legal perspective. 💞 I always value your insight and expertise.
I looked up self defense, came across good explanation.
Four elements are required for self-defense:
(1) an unprovoked attack
(2) which threatens imminent, immediate injury or death
(3) objectively reasonable degree of force, used in response
(4) an objectively reasonable fear of injury or death.
Using the above,
He hit 1st, and those present reacted in defense of the female he hit. He provoked the actual physical reaction.
And 3, they hit and slapped him, while he used deadly force and was the only one with a weapon. He went for vital organs (intestines, diaphragm, heart). With a 2 inch knife that took force to deliberately cause as much harm as possible (including upward thrust which causes maximum damage)
💯 Not Guilty! #FreeMui
Totally agree with you, Peter!
Knew nothing about this one . Thanks @Peter!
Im 49 and If i were a juror I would be leaning towards gulty
They have to consider the evidence, and the tape spells it out quite clearly. This isn't about leaning one way or another.....it is about following the evidence to determine what actually happened, as they all have a different story, it seems. Not guilty. They asked for trouble and found it.
Ty Peter for covering this. So appreciate it.
Great commentary. I agree with you at this point. Thank you.
As soon as Peter described the make-up of the jury, more and more I think ng
Thanks for your coverage, Peter.
I’m glad you brought this up. The male interpreter is pretty lousy. I think the translations caused a great deal of confusion
Thank you Peter
One of the witnesses for Miu said there was a Spanish speaking Police Officer... for Spanish and other languages, the sentence structure is very different than English.
As for watching the trial, one of the women victims actually said while on the witness stand that she had watch the previous days trial while sitting in the courtroom... before her testimony...
She was a victim and was allowed to be present in the court room and watch the trial in person or online. The judge addressed that clearly on day one and has addressed it others times since then. The victims who are testifying and different than witnesses who are just witnesses and not victims as far as sequestration goes.
His friend said he was the one that started the fighting and that he slapped Maddison. And when you watch the video you can see he had started to leave and then turned around and charged at the boys in the tubes it was then when they jumped out and yelled for help.
He could have stopped all this by saying “hey we dropped a phone around here and I’m trying to find it”. But no, no words, no announcements that he has a knife, stabs 5 people 1 to death, runs and then acts like he doesn’t know anything about it. That’s not a definition of self defense.
It’s none of anyone’s business what he is doing they should of never said a word to him and nothing would of happened period
@@user-ut3ft4qn5f seriously… if it’s getting as heated as this and you don’t say anything, leave or say something. Stabbing people, one to death is not a proper response to any name calling or pushing.
@@user-ut3ft4qn5fur an idiot he literally approached them
No one was listening to him, and who tf answers punks calling you a pedo/raper?!? Ffs people like Mr Miu have RIGHTS😢
@@dawnhayes1231did you even watch the video?
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I Love that you are going over this case!!!!!
Ego is at play here. He is Guilty!
Innocent
You like to see old men beat up. You have no understanding of self defense laws.
Lesser charges
Self defense
THEY are guilty of inciting the attack. Oh, yeah.....a. guy with a big ego, walking around with a snorkel mask! They viewed him as an easy target for taunting, but he wasn't amused. Neither am I. They asked for trouble and they found it! Self defense, 100%.
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Mr Mui’s friends show me that they were intimidated by the actions of the gang- otherwise they heard the commotion and did not get out there to pull their friend out . Fear was thick ( iMO) I wish this had never happened as well however the fight or flight instinct is real strong. I’m leaning not guilty because even the friend who’s cousin brought him was hésitant.
Thé aggressors were within 2 feet in front of the defendant -If they hadn’t touched him pushed him and been in his personal space they would not have been within each of te pocket knife.
I wonder if those bullies would have encircled an alligator and pushed its buttons because it had a strange stare or looked different… the whole thing should not have happened. I wish there was an alligator instead of Mui. The bullies thought they found a ‘loser and easy prey’ iMO .
Agree
I binged watch all night. I am 68 y.o. Female. My thoughts: Mr. M. Ran towards the teens, held their tubes. A by standing group stops and two petite women stop to try to help the situation. He then proceeds to strike the woman in the face and stabbed another. What ever the teens were saying or yelling or laughing NEVER gives the right to hit and stab. WALK away or ignore. Hard to say he was in distress facing these two women. I believe he is the aggressor, lied to police, hid the knife.
You clearly didn't binge watch all night because the video is out and available to watch and you would completely change your tune. In the video he does not hit the woman - they repeatedly punched him, choked him, held him in a headlock, and pushed him underwater before he begins stabbing himself in self defense. This isn't even up for debate - it's all on video. Your timeline is completely wrong here and they did not just taunt him. You can watch the video for yourself, don't take my word for it.
You might need the change your prescription on your glasses sllyjac1787.
@@defaultname7685 The camera cuts away during the time he hit the girl and stabbed the other.
@@sllyjac1787 No, it doesn't cut away. It doesn't record it because it didn't happen and the only evidence is the testimony of the dumb black kid that literally got caught lying on the stand yesterday.
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Thank you Peter, I was alarmed when I read in the chat whilst watching the live trial that some of the interpretation was not good
I agree, the situation was scary, he reacted in self defense
Ariel, the cousin of the friend. His answer to the question "did someone tell you to say this" was so good. I cannot believe he was asked that. He was the only one to go towards Nick and was observant. He is a true one.
Observant? He was standing 10 feet away and he didn’t see Nic eviscerate AJ right in front of him? And he was asked that because as the prosecutor pointed out, he had never previously used the words “defend(ed) himself” in any previous interviews.
Ariel appeared motivated to lie.
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One thing I truly appreciated was how they handled the interpreters - meaning there’s was one translating for the atty & one for the witness. 99% of the other trials I’ve seen, they had 1 doing both "jobs" with another interpreter on stand-by… if it’s a long witness, they may switch to give the other a break but I like how this court handled it.
Just imagine if the teens stopped to help him look for the phone rather than mobbing him. It really is that simple, isn't it?
Teach your children respect and don't allow drinking or drugs before they are ready. We don't allow it in my house. Not ever.
Not everyone lives reckless lives. We respect our lives and the lives of others. No excuses. 100% accountability.
Lesson learned. Do better.
They started the whole thing, and other drunk tubers joining in the taunting pushed him into self preservation mode. As a mother who raised two kids that I adore, they would NEVER treat another person like this. They have such good, kind hearts and I taught them to have consideration for others and to have respect for how they conduct themselves in life, as well. Both are successful and thriving adults and I could not be more proud. I would be horrified to claim any of the thugs in this mob as one that I raised.
Yeah world needs hall monitors as well. Glad you’re raising some
I agree. If they knew he was looking for a phone they could have helped and the whole incident avoided. He never said anything about a phone before running up to them or when he got up close. He also never told them about the phone when they repeatedly asked him what he was doing. Imagine how nice of a day everyone could have continued to have if Miu asked "hey have you guys seen a phone in the water" before running up them and reaching into their personal space.
This starts in h.s the star athletes bully the other kids and the staff allow it to happen cause they want that championship trophy .
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Very interesting session! Years ago all courts did not have certified interpreters and translators. Some courts, especially those located in smaller communities or rural areas did not have many available for legal cases. Thus, the only available native speaker(s) would be hired, For example, a local foreign language teacher may be hired. Total accuracy was not always achieved.
Thankfully, there are now certification standards, training etc. to ensure correct translations in the foreign language.in the courts. Plus, we have a
large number of people who are fluent in a wide variety of languages in the US.
There is definitely a growing need for a wide variety of competent court interpreters and translators.
It's a fascinating subject; despite the skills of interpreters there are frequent subtleties that get "lost in translation". In the interests of justice the use of a skilled interpreter is vitally important.
On with the show 😊
I'm a disabled veteran in my 50s with decades of martial arts and hand to hand training, including a good amount of full contact experience. I can tell you that if I have any chance of winning a fight, I have to do it fast because I will not be able to get my strength back during a fight.
I can also say, and I've trained and proved this a hundred times, that any two people with fighting skills working together, can defeat almost anyone. Simply kicking feet toward each other and stomping ankles can make a superior grappler lose.
Fighting two people in shallow water is suicidal. As an older man, you can't get back to your feet repeatedly, and laying in the muddy water it's impossible to defend yourself. Once he got back up, it was life and death for him to stay up.
Instinctually we know you can't run from a group of predators, it will encourage the chase and you will be taken down and overwhelmed by the more confident predators. If you have them afraid of you, running is going to quickly end thier fear and resume the attack.
I haven't seen the whole video, but I saw just the part with multiple big fit men pushing him down into the water, and I saw the man charge him when he got up and was backing up. The first stabbing was the only reason the old man wasn't back in the water being pushed under.
EXCELLENT POINT!!!!
If you or anyone could shed some clarity for me? Why did he hit/slap/punch the one woman and stab that other girl in the first place? I keep seeing him not being pushed into the water until after those events, unless I'm missing something?
And he was not alone, if he was afraid he could have actually screamed for help to his group of friends. He never called out for help. He was never “alone”. He chose to be alone
@@sofiatzahariadis5754Why would he call out to his friends, knowing that they’re also no match for these young adults? Pretty selfless decision by Miu in my opinion, why involve your friends when they could be hurt as well?
This is a really interesting point. I keep trying to imagine what it would be like for me to be surrounded by 13 people less than half my age. In murky water up to my ankles/calves. If I’m in my 50s, not in superior shape and with a serious heart condition, I’m probably terrified beyond belief. Once I go down one time, then get put back down again, my fear is through the roof. I’m really disturbed that this happened but some people seem to be ignoring the reality that being surrounded by 13 people all ridiculing and taunting you would put anyone on the defensive.
The defense has a really effective exhibit which provides a birds eye view of where everyone was standing at the height of the altercation. Once you see that exhibit it becomes hard to maintain that he could have just walked away.
To the person asking about the girl he allegedly hit, I have not heard any clear evidence that she was ever hit. And unfortunately, the teens recollection of this is not consistent and is getting more and more confusing. The defense is doing a pretty good job of creating doubt that she was “punched” at all.
I’m going to respectfully disagree after seeing several pieces of evidence and testimony. Why that particular area to search for the phone and stay there? Initially he is seen forcefully pushing the kids tubes which could be seen as a threat to the kids. He didn’t say anything of why he was there. Another threat to the kids. The kids yelling posed a threat to Mui. Their fear response to his actions. He did initially have the opportunity to leave and forget about looking there for the phone initially. The kids who were seen just trying to tell him to leave with no force were stabbed , which looked to me like an irrational impulsive response. In the moment, he was in fight flight response , specifically fight. With the knife. On the video there was no threat for the subsequent stabs, which were more like gutting. Excessive response IMO. As a reasonable potential juror I would say guilty . At this point. He also lied twice. Telling his friends the kids took his knife, and telling police he heard someone got stabbed. That says he is hiding something. Looks like he froze and went straight to fight mode. Not rational mind. Let’s see what the defense has … my opinion may change.
Either he has a right to defend himself or not, how he reacted to the tragedy or if his looks were creepy to people shouldn’t make a difference
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Great comment. Im so perplexed why they went with 1st degree
@@REPR100you have the right to defend yourself if you can’t get out of the situation…everyone was unarmed and he could retreat. Not defense but no 1st degree murder
@@REPR100 you cant approach a situation, start an altercation.. and then when you're losing .. pull a weapon. thats not self defense in the slightest. now if the kids approached him, wouldnt leave his area.. then started pushing him, sure. but thats not what happened.
I do think that you are right about juror’s ages coming into play
People in the chat were saying that the interpreters were not translating everything correctly.
Peter really appreciate your perspective and actually agree with you completely at this point. Watching the video it seems to me the young people were the aggressors and started and escalated the situation. However, it is so tragic how it ended. It really seems like self defense to me, however, I look forward to the time we all understand violence of any kind is NEVER THE LOVING CHOICE TO MAKE ON BOTH SIDES.
Self defence still requires proportionality
Who knows how it started?
@@Paullyb79 Does it, legally?
He could have said, I have a knife, let me leave. Or even held the knife up where everyone could see it. He kept it low and discreetly stabbed as many people as he could. Self-defense would have been just enough to be able to get away.
@dawnwhite68 great point but still, I would need more to find this man guilty. Not every one reacts the same when in fear. There’s a good chance this will be hung. However, if the jury is older, better chance it’s not guilty.
Oh and a juror in their 90’s…..wow!
I think the prosecutors questions lost something in the interpretation in some cases today.
Hospitals also utilize translators to make sure people are fully aware of whatever procedure they are scheduled for in order to cover their behinds. I used to schedule translators for a large hospital and boy do some languages make more money than others. It's just so there's no misunderstandings for future litigation.
Right now I agree with you. I could not say beyond reasonable doubt that this was more than self defense… but I have missed some of the testimony too.
In the end, he was attacked by 13 healthy 17-18 year olds and he was losing the fight. The 13 could have refused to fight too, but they were drunk. He had reasonable fear.
This case is like a Shakespearean tragedy. It is punishing for everyone.
Imagine if Miu had had a gun instead of a knife. It’s such a common theme. Someone feels bullied/marginalized, they snap and start killing people.
I think youre understating the mobs behaviour.
Yeah... that's not how it happened tho. He didn't feel marginalized and just started to kill people.
I agree with you so far
Been watching interested in it ,
His friends were standing right there and didn't feel he was in fear enough to help him out. 🤔
Whose friends? Miu’s friends were way down the river and didn’t arrive til after most of the incident was done.
I've been wondering about the testimony about the defendant returning to the group of kids a second time. I don't remember who gave it, but apparently he left and went back to them. This doesn't make sense if he was afraid of them. I'm wondering did he go get the knife and go back?
He took a few steps away and turned back towards them for whatever reason. 😕
Peter,
In Wisconsin, legal/ court interpreters must meet certain qualifications.
Good assessment. Not guilty all the way. The drunk and high aggressors should be charged with the aggrivated assult
Let's remember that taunting words yelled at someone from a large group could be considered an act of aggression.
Let’s remember stabbing someone because they called you a pedophile is not proportionate . You punch someone you get punched and your response is to kill and stab 4 people, yeah, that seems totally fair. Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people. He belongs in jail for the rest of his life.
@@karenkollects9277Seriously, is it that hard to have two thoughts in yr head at the same time? Yes, he took a persons life and stabbing someone because of bullied, is not a normal reaction. But I also feel those teens show zero remorse for starting that bullying, if they wouldn't have done so, their friend would be alive...They act as if nothing lays on them, and that isn't right either. Especially the one filming it all, he was the loudest and most proactive, he wanted the fight.He initiated it.
@@karenkollects9277what hand he punched with ??? Knife was on right hand and by raising it to their eye level some would of noticed it
He can’t do much with left as part of a vein was extracted for the quadruple bypass surgery
Should he have waited to be knocked out in knee deep water? All while being surrounded by 10 or so people yelling causing more confusion. Tell me you never been in a violent confrontation with out telling me you never been in a violent confrontation. Mob mentality is real. People feed off each others energy and it escalates quickly. Actions have consequences right or wrong unfortunately. A sad sad situation none the less. The injurys and death of the young man are tragic .
@@mattmorrison9379you can't stab people because of what you "think" might happen.
Strongly feel he was in danger. While these young people were laughing and joking around it was clearly escalating. They were all drunk and out of control. When he was down, in the water, they encircled him all wanting a piece of the action. Disgusting, now they want to play victim. Don’t understand what the DA was thinking.
All were yelling go, leave, get the f out, let go of the raft. Why was he away from his group and downstream in theirs? Why did he not just go?
@@tedandersen2074 So if you go somewhere in public and some random person screams at you to leave, you're going to just leave and let them bully you like that?
@@darkwingduck3477 well today I probly would but 40 yrs ago I would have engaged for sure. Theres a unique thing with vik that doesn't add up. He's wa 58? I think, I think he made a joke about little.girls, maybe even inferring the boys were acting lame little girls. Something triggered the guy that set him into rage and he pursued the group and held their tube lines but he doesn't speak and he looks like he zoned out. The Karen treatment was all he could take it seems. Hey maybe he was having a heart attack. The whole thing is so sad. Folks out enjoying life. Man.
Thank you Peter for this! I am leaning towards not guilty at the moment…agree with you…I can also imagine his state of shock after the fact which led to his very strange behaviours with the police. As you said there is more to come and I’ll be watching!🙏😊
I remember a coworker that didn't know how to say angel in English, they can understand it but are not comfortable answering in broken english especially when your on 5he witness etand .
Sorry - I don’t care how over weight and out of shape someone is when they murder and gravely injure multiple people. Snorkel guy was responsible for his own actions and his actions created the disturbance. He absolutely should have retreated and he was the aggressor and proved he can dish it out but can’t take it.