DEMISE OF THE INQUISITION? IS CONFLICT AGAINST THE ASTARTES COMING?
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2022
- Hi all Rho here! Today we discuss the actions of the Inquisition! Will it all lead to a war against the chapters?
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This would be entertaining. Justice for the Celestial Lions!
Justice for Ekene!!!
* Celestial.
@@cristhianmlr thanks... 😅
Vengeance for Simba!
Justice!!!
The pettiness of the inquisition resembles that of the WH40k aristocracy in my eyes. How could the inquisition remain not corrupted for 10,000 years, while the aristocracy can use either assassins or beyond huge bribes to get their way? Realistically some of the Exterminatus would be the result of internal power struggles and had little to do with combating xenos or chaos. Not all inquisitors might be that bad, but by their own standards, they should all be purged? Just to be sure?
Never thought about Exterminatus from that angle. Reminds me of how Christian Missionaries and the Catholic Inquisition would falsely accuse or help spiteful people falsely accuse innocent people for crimes they did not commit. This was done to basically steal and strip properties and other assets.
This point was what I was looking to make. Like the Nobility, the Inquisition is convinced that even disagreeing with it or not bowing and scraping enough is cause for death. Like the Nobility, not all Inquisitors are like this but their monolithic reputation is often maintained by agreeing in public and killing each other in private. This very attitude they are convinced is necessary so they will be obeyed when it is necessary is what allows the rot inside to grow. Like the Nobility, they need the fire to burn the rot away from time to time. What happens when a Primarch and Lord Commander of the Imperium tells an Inquisitor off...of executes them?
The lions and the wolf's hate each other too much too actually unite themselves against the inquisition
@@bobydigital2450 i dunno, if the wolves were being attacked by an inqiisitor the da's thought had Fallen intel, they'd ditch their honour in a heartbeat and fight pauldron to pauldron.
Main problem with Inquistion is, than no one have any control over them, and only fellow Inquisitor can stay in way of another. Malkador has good intensions while he was creating organization, but he simply couldn't forseen rise of Ecclisiarchy. Beside humans are still humans, we don't need demons to turn into monsters.
Honestly I'd love to see the inquisition put to the sword for what they have done and I think it is long overdue that the inquisitions numbers were culled
They definitely need more oversight. Answering directly to the emperor is all well and good... except when he can't really rule directly to watch them. Placing them under the watch of the custodes would go a long way while ensuring the watchers are absolutely loyal.
They are to powerful to destroy now
@@konigstiger3252 Time erodes all things. What is powerful today crumbles tomorrow. The Inquisition will fall.
@@konigstiger3252 I'm not sure 'too powerful' is the right term so much as 'too useful'. Make no mistake, while there are inquisitors that abuse or overuse their power the threats the inquisition itself is set up to fight are very real for the imperium and very dangerous. The problem I see is a lack of oversight, standards or failsafes. Sure they have whole inquisitorial orders set up to try and fight this issue, but then comes the arguments of "on who's authority?" And "by what laws or regulations?".
@@00yiggdrasill00 we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing kind of deal A what they need is leadership purged and new recruits don't burn the bank down but fire the bankers
Imagine if, after an outcry from
Marneus Calgar, Roboute Guilliman reinstates the Legions, and calls for an outright crusade against the Chaos tainted Inquisition, and any counted as their minions.
The 13th Legion would smack the Inquisiton very handily, but not without taking some in return. If you think about it to the Primaris marines fought with Guilliman and probably think of him positively. Additionally being a 1st founding chapter/Legion with It's Primarch (who is regent) alot of organizations are going to be on the fence. The Ultrasmurfs would definitely put the hurt down worse than the Wolves.
@@Scythe592 if the Ultramarines declared war on the Inquisition for not only crimes against them, but for crimes against Humanity, the Salamanders and the Space Wolves are jumping in, and the Imperial Fists just might. If the Inquisition is operating in Imperium Nihilus, they're facing off against the full force of the Blood Angels. Another unfortunate possibility, if not probability, is that Cult Imperialis, including the Sisters of Battle getting their noses in it, on the wrong side, which will trigger the involvement of the Astra Militarum and the Navis Imperialis. In other words, another possible Horus Heresy level civil war.
I'd love to see the return of the First Founding Chapters to Full Legions without a cap on Legion size. It'd be one of the few ways to deal with Chaos and the Tyranids.
>legions are reinstated
>witness as imperial fists and all successors have 6-7 thousand space marines spontaneously appear in the list
>refuses to elaborate
>burns more codexes.
@Captain Cardigan 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remembering when a squad of Death Company Terminators were dumped onto an Inquisitors ship right as it made a Warp translation.
Good times.
"Our father taught us to be noble, but that does not mean we have fully forgotten the way of the Revenant"
*sneaks Death Company on Inquisition ship*
Where can I read about that story ?
Wait, so they teleported a group of terminators into a ship that was itself teleporting? Man, whoever pulled that must have crunched some serious numbers.
@@sousa9682 I believe it was 'Blood in the Machine'
Oh yeah, I remember that.
Good laughs, that. One of the reasons I adore the Ninth so much.
I would be happy if Guilliman will take like 90% of Inquistors and put them on single Crusade, that coitindently go straight on some Hive-fleet
Then most return as chaos spawns.
No. Exterminate the Inqusition. Full on 100%. No mercy for them.
Whoops😆
Don't feed the poor Tyranids junk food...
@@stationary_bandit6607I don't mind if Tyranids die due to food poisoning. I see there only positives.
Convenient for the Inquisition; answerable only to the Emperor who never speaks to anyone save his son. No record of Him ever speaking to anyone in the Inquisition. That organization just assumes all is well since they are never told any different. Not a fan of the Inquisition as a whole, myself.
If a voice told them to gun everyone down, they wouls be able to do it and not most would stop them.
++ Heretic Identified ++ ++Dispatching Officio Assassinorum. Temple: Callidus ++
The Inquisition didn't even exist, when he was something other than a rotting pile of garbage, on a golden toilet. This is the fault of Malcador, and his love for secret police forces and Human Rights deprivation through intimidation and murder. If the Corpse Emperor could regenerate, the Inquisition certainly would feel the brunt of his murderous rage, along with the Cult Imperialis, and chapters like the Black Templars.
jaq draco was talked to by the emperor
@@matthewgibbs6886 Can he prove it?
How it start the inquisition gets a hail from the black Templars fleet “Justice for the Celestial Lions” and every member of the Templars descends upon them
And everymember of a gathering of múltiple chapters making a coordinated strike on all inquisition outposts
@@Dreadbringer nice touch
I'd like to think the celestial lions are at the vanguard in this with the chapters giving them the honor
Grimaldus is enough.
Have you seen that man's righteous fury?
Celestial Lions have one of the best designs out there
I could see this easily happening for a lot of chapters as the requirements of the situation requires them to grow in size. Imagine if the iron hands, pressed by the eye of terror as they are, suddenly saw a rouge inquisitor nuking planets they had safe guarded for resources? I image that would not end well.
Yup, the issue with the inquisition is just how much freedom they have.
Each individual inquisitor essentially gets to decide what is heresy and what isn't, and each can call the full brunt of the inquisitions forces to fight this "heresy" they saw.
You literally have inquisitors using demons weapons, as those inquisitors believe that it's ok to use chaos against chaos.
@@Nyghtking kind of impressive actually there all like mini empowers that everyone has to listen to or your world gets blown up how has man kind not ended already
let the wolves be the herald of the demise of Malcador's failure.
Isn't the wolf the embodiment of malcador failures?
I mean scary in theory lame and blumbering in practice
@@bobydigital2450 Just how GW writes them in recent years, it used to be the other way around.
There was a time when Russ was described as a brilliant general even among the Primarchs, second only to the lion and Horus in his count of victories even though they were a very small legion and that Russ was kept from the siege of terra by chaos nonsense rather than choosing to run off to do his own thing.
Recent writers though decided that had to go and instead write them as a shambles, notably since the advent of Primaris.
They will become cool again by the end of the next edition now they have Primaris, because that's how GW roll and post Heresy the stories will paint Russ as being cool, smart and a great General again, pivotal in holding the Imperium together and pushing chaos back to the Eye in the scouring now they have Space marines 2.0.
Lore changes.
To be fair, the inquisition as it stands wasn’t really Malcador’s intent: malcadors main intent revolves around the grey knights, and a properly organised institution capable of moving in secret, and acting where others couldn’t; free of the inevitable red tape nonsense of any political system - the inquisition as it stands now is too factionalised, internally competing and tangled for malcador, who seemed to be incredibly meticulous and precise in his actions, to have intended or designed this outcome.
@@Daewolf to be fair, the grey knights are failures as well, lapddogs of the inquisition, and just blanket cleansers of innocent populations.
@@Daewolf Malcador plan was okay, but that plan, just like his every other plans, assumed that he or Big E would be around to run things.
I could imagine the Wolves and the DA and the other first founding chapters would have a freaking field day taking the Inquisition to task for all the shit they’ve pulled in the last 10,000 years. Grimnar would have be set loose.
hehe, when the Lord of Winter and War returns from his quest in the warp, I reckon he might have a few words with the Inquisition... words which sound an awful lot like the howling motor of a Frost Sword ;)
@@AnikaJarlsdottr I think Frostfang is kind of special in that regard these days.
Most Frost Weapons in 9th are upgraded Power Weapons rather than Chain Weapons and Russ' blade never looked like a Chain Weapon so something makes me doubt that it would howl.
@@psychedashell frost weapons in general are gnarly as heck and I love them xD I get what you mean though, I made an error in generalising
@@AnikaJarlsdottr what better inquisitor to oversee the inquisition than the emperors personal executioner?
Id love to see some action against them. spears lions wolves just teach them a lesson.
Having extensively overplayed the Inquisition-revolved RPG Dark Heresy, I'd just like to state that the Inquisition isn't your standard Imperium mini-faction, so even declaring a war against them wouldn't be that straightforward.
The Inquisition isn't an organised force like the Ministorum or Astartes, they're an occupation - Essentially freelance agents given the ultimate authority, more akin to Rogue Traders. The people keeping them in line are, in fact, other Inquisitors, who are constantly searching for signs of heresy within their rivals. The Inquisition are essentially the white blood cells of the Imperium's body - They're the ones that thwart genestealer/chaos/heretek cults before they become big enough to warrant a full-blown war, and more importantly, before they can spread corruption into the rest of the populace, an Exterminatus being a relatively rare event that only the most extremist Inquisitors will initiate.
Disbanding the Inquisition would result in the Imperium unraveling entirely as a thousand uprisings pop up on every previously-secure planet, because without the Inquisition, this sort of thing could only be managed by each planet's assigned PDF or Arbites, which obviously wouldn't go great - And that was before the Great Rift happened. Like it or loathe it, the Horus Heresy probably wouldn't have happened at all if the Inquisition had been there to confiscate Fulgrim's sword or keep an eye on Lorgar.
Given context, the Celestial Lions are, at best, dealing with a very small group of Inquisitors - Capable Inquisitors, perhaps, but the tiniest minority regardless. Ironically, if the Celestial Lions had sought the aid of other Inquisitorial branches, they might've spared themselves all these problems by counter-investigating to find their nemesis and lay judgement on them.
As for the results of a hypothetical war, obviously if it was just the Inquisition's forces of Inquisitors & acolyte retinues versus even a few chapters of Adeptus Astartes, the Astartes have it. However, the Inquisition can requisition anyone - Including the Imperial Navy, the Imperial Guard, the Adepta Sororitas, and indeed, the Adeptus Astartes, if they're inclined to listen. A lot of chapters owe debts of loyalty to Inquisitors through acts in the past, so it's not really a 'space marine vs. them' argument, and inevitably it'd turn into another civil war with astartes killing astartes and guardsmen getting caught in the crossfire.
Agreed that the Inquisition is vital to the continued existence of the Imperium, but like with the Officio Assassinorum, there should be limits on their power.
Those limits should be set by the High Lords/Senatorum Imperialis, not by other Inquisitors.
@@bigz4339 Ironically, the original Inquisitors were intended to be the Word Bearers - they were originally the Imperial Heralds and were going to be responsible for enforcing the Imperial Truth before Chaos corrupted Lorgar and made him view the Emperor as a God.
Gulliman declares the lnquision part of Chaos and orders all inquisitors to surrender to judgement or be exterminated. Those who refuse will face the Emperor's executioners.
Don't tempt me.
Guliman can't do something as radical as that
I'm very surprised that the inquisition haven't come to blows with the Salamanders yet
I suspect the new codex imperium will have the founding legions allowed to regrow, 1st founding succesors allowed to rejoin or start building up to legion size, and other chapters allowed larger sizes or full legion size based on their history, or the task they're doing.
Space Wolves and Black Templars instantly respond they're at full strength or higher.
The inquisitions overreach, the fact that they think they are the imperium, when in reality they were made to be the thing to protects the imperium, astounds me.
This is one of the reasons I wish there were the Loyalists alpha legion chapters out there.
Then again for all I know there are.
They probably claim to be Raven Guard.
Would love a space marine vs inquisition civil war....leading to guilliman enforcing stricter rules on inquisitors. its a step in the right direction
I was actually working on a story of my own, I guess you could call it a fan fiction, about a Salamander space marine who would question his faith after being told certain things about the Imperium by an Alpha Legion sorcerer. At the end of the book he would end up killing an Inquisitor after they inadvertently caused a chaos outbreak on an Imperial world, and the book would end with him choosing to remain loyal to his brothers, but setting him up for a civil war between the Astartes and Inquisition which would happen in one of the sequels to this book.
This is obviously just a short explanation and may sound contrived but there’s a lot more going into it. This topic is a very interesting one to me and I’m hopefully going to have my own trilogy/series about it written in the next couple years. Still have to finish this Salamanders story though!
Ive just started a small force of Black Dragons, I need to hear that story!
Guilleman nearly attacked Lion El Johnson during the heresy for ordering an orbital Maccrage because Curze was on the planet, he would probably fight the inquisition
Guilliman (or any other loyalist primarch) versus the Inquisition would be a treat to witness
Inquisition has had some massive failures leading to huge conflict with founding chapters. Blood Angels(read their omnibus), Wolves, Dark Angels...
Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels
the 3 chapters that will tell the inquisition to "fuck around and find out"
@@thecommentguy9380 cant wait for Russ to get back from his warp quest. the inquisition is just begging to taste the sharp end of a frost sword.
Astral claws
I've never liked the Inquisition but I've always thought they were needed since the Heresy. Still can't say I won't raise a beer if someone goes on a crusade against them. Justice for the Celestial Lions!!
The Inquisition is too powerful of an organization that was entrusted by individuals who have too many ideals and opinions that conflict was going to be inevitable.
I wouldnt put it past someone in the Inquisition to try to outlaw air cuz it spreads Chaotic Taint.
This reminds me of a quote from one of the older edition rule books: “Innocence proves nothing”
Both the Machanicus, and Astartes chapters have told the Inquisition/Inquisitors to shove it. I think my favorite was a captain of the Howling Griffons telling the inquisitor, his seal only has power because of them.
As much as I love the chapter the Dark Angels are the one chapter who I fear would not put up with an Inquisition looking into their past or rendering judgement on them.
Wouldn't it be grand to see the dark angels and space wolves go to war against the Inquisition
I would be the first on the vanguard!
Dark Angels probably keep a list of where they axed off the Inquistors following them.
"You know how dangerous it is using the Warp Drivers, i saw one suffer a Drive Failure and went B o o m."
Every chapter has darkness in their past, but man it would be great to pit those rivals against a common foe. Spicy.
When the Wolf King returns, the inquisition is getting launched into the sun xD
Would not be the first Inquisitor to have gone missing while poking thier noses where it was not wanted.
I would love to see all the chapters from all the legions against the inquisition
I actually found one of your videos at below 500 views! I've never been this early before. I love your content
Someone, PLEASE tell me that the Inquisitors who killed Ekene Dubaku, Chapter Master of the Celestial Lions, were held accountable for their heretical atrocities.
Problem is celestial lions didn't approach other inquisiters for help
if they did we would never know
Justice for the Celestial Lions!
Celestial Lions Matter!!!!
I always figured the Space Wolves were going to clash with the Inquisition because of the Wulfen. Seeing as the Inquisition tripped out over the Fire Hawks ability.
The Imperial Inquisition: "None oppose the Inquisition."
Literally every Astartes: >Legion Noises<
The Imperial Inquisition: _"Uh wait can we still take that back?"_
The Legion: >Curbstomping Noises
The way the Inquisition all too often acted and acts towards Space Marine chapters that just rendered the Imperium and humankind a great service, quite often under at great costs for themselfes, reminds me a lot of Andrei A. Schdanow, RCP party secretary of Leningrad, who achieved what was deemed impossible by many and successfully defended Leningrad against the german siege for more than two years and who even kept at least a modicum of arms industries working during all of the siege.
After that, he was deemed too popular amongst the people by Stalin, denounced, overthrown, pulled in front of a kangaroo court and then at least indirectly killed. (He died as a result of a misdiagnosis which is deemed to be influenced by the party by historians.)
So you either die as a hero or you live long enough to understand, being a hero is more a sign of severe idiocy and brain damage than of anything else that people love to read into this word, because you _will_ be punished for it. To me, this sounds a lot like a certain Inquisition is actually working for certain ruinous powers and _very_ busy herding people into their arms. I understand why there is a need for an organisation like the Inquisition, but as things are, burning it all to the ground and start completely new sounds like a good idea.
In a dictatorship, or even a monarchy, competent and popular underlings are a direct danger to the autocrat/monarch. Incompetent generals lining their own pockets are no threat, as they are too busy being corrupt and tend to be of little value to other ambitious people. But a popular general who won a war or battle, they might get ideas as to who should rule instead, or be courted by other ambitious people. Saddam's generals who were successful had a bad habit of getting into helicopter 'crashes'. And I know the Syrian commander of the Tiger Forces, the ones that were actually winning battles in the Syrian civil war, he had Russian body guards, as he was too useful to the Russians to suffer from an unfortunate 'accident' at the hands of Assad.
I'm surprised that no inquisitor was involved in the High Lord Rebellion against Guilliaman.
Not every inquisitor are bad people dude.
That we know of.
@@vothbetilia4862 spoken like an inquisitior.
@@MrHellsing76 No that's coming from a logical stand point. Not every single inquisitor comes around and starts pulling the middle finger at people. There are cases where they have to keep the Imperium floating, sometimes even having to do risks. For example having to destroy a planet rather then having Tyranids consume it for biomass later on. Their job isn't easy and they know that. And without the Inquisition the Imperium would be far more divided then it originally was.
@@vothbetilia4862 it's easy to spill other people's blood than your own.
It's always struck me as funny that Roboute split the legions so that no one man may have such great power, but now we have Inquisitors having leagues more power and none of the leash. Funny how that works.
Love to see a Rho review of the inquisition vs the wolves
please continue telling us where from you are teking the lore, so we can read the novel and enjoy even more your amazing channel.
This would be a great new plot point. The astartes and certain guard regiments fed up with the inquisition. But the truly loyal inquisitors forced to either fight for a cause that may not be what it once was and die letting in even more chaos taint into the imperium because let's be honest here boys. The inquisition as cruel and petulant as it is does stem the tide of chaos internally
Total Fan here. I hate that I have to stop some videos because I haven't read certain books yet. I'm working on it.
I'm just relieved that your pup is doing well.
I want to see Guilliman’s reaction to all the inquisition did
The Lion &/or the Wolf would most def declare totalwar against the inquisition, though after crushing the remnants of the 13 black crusade & the daemon primarchs still in the materium plane.
I feel like the Wolf would be the one to fall on the Inquisition. the Lion, imho, would be more likely to take down the High Lords of Terra.
@@AnikaJarlsdottr The Lion would go after the Ecclesiarchy. He'd take one look at the Imperial Cult and be like "Oh HELL no!"
Imagine the angel randomly appearing and murdering the inquisition in golden armor and long hair just for it to become the vessel for one of the emperor’s fragments sent out to find his sons.
And I just started to paint my Celestial Lions, this is Brilliant!!! XD
I would absolutely love a group of people that have been wronged by Inquisitors to rise up and fight the Inqusition. Like whole planets and army's that's would be great, I doubt Guilliman or the Custodes would help them with the problems they caused lol.
effectively an inquisitor would say " We only answer to the emperor " and a VERY golden banana is going to say "How dare you you Miniscule Arrogant Man he is not for you to question he's the emperor's word, and when you went and rejected are emperors truth a hertic became you" a few seconds later the lockwarden had to clean his armor
Celestial Lions are my main army love seeing them talked about!
Yeah reading the emporers spears book and what happens in it with the inquisition I was totally caught off guard and pissed off. But this could be there undoing now I think
*_Ekene Dubaku, Hero of the Mannheim Gap_*
The Inquisition has no jurisdiction over the Adeptus Mechanicus, unless that's been changed? An excellent video. I'm firmly on the side of the Wolves for that one.
Mechanicum works kinda like the Astartes in that regard. The Inquisition CAN command them..... it's just a question of rather or not the Mechanicum forces in question care enough to listen. Usually, they probably will go along with it, just to avoid trouble if nothing else, but its no guarantee.
Worth noting they also ticked off the Dark Angels by stopping them redeeming a traitor.
I know the inquisition isn't always the most sensible of organisations. But a suicidal war? Before the primaris maybe, but now that they are present it would just not work out I don't think. Not that it would stop them....
How about with the backing of a Legión.
@@Dreadbringer did someone just say "Vylka Fenryka curb stomping the secret police"?
Well inquisitor orderd his storm troopers to attack squad of custodes. You can guess what was the result. But yeah they can be rly cooky with that inquisitorial seal they wave around.
@@orekutlesic4831 Custodes? oh my, that's a special case of silly.
I'm quite impressed with the troopers actually carrying out the order. The results not whistanding haha.
@@Wimpiethe3 imagine being a soldier in that scenario get your head blown off by your commisar something you've seen happen probably hundreds of times or shoot the 9 foot tall man covered in gold body armor
I read both those books [emporers gift, spear of the emporer] and as Rho says; would recommend :)
One day, they are going to bite off more than they are going to be able to chew (probably piss off Guilliman and/or Dante (who are supposed to be in charge of the government if I understand the situation correctly)). Said people would be able to be petty back to them.
I love the Celestial Lions, balling into the right in polished gold and blue!
How would one go about readin the siege of terra? I'm most interested in that specific event. Especially in the battle between Emperor and Horus.
Why do I see tzeench in the background like yes everything is going according to plan
A fun way to rescue the legacy of Lorgar from being a pathetic drip would be if he founded a Chaos Inquisition who went around brutally stamping out what they perceive as heresy against Chaos with the same fanaticism and efficacy as the Imperial Inquisition.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up Grimaldus. As his star rises within the Black Templars, surely grievances will begin to be aired.
I will add you have conflicts within the twin empires. The machine cult of Mars has had many wars with the inquisition.
I can imagine all of the historical Loyal Space Marine Legions will start figuring out new eye opening ways of blasting a bolt cap in an Inquisitors unruly ass. I can imagine them picking fights with the Black Legion possibly the Dark Angels who themselves have worked to protect Chapters black listed by the Inquisition. However, I believe the biggest attempt they will probably make is flirting with the idea of assassinating Gulliman knowing full damn well that will trigger the warmth of probably even the Custodes themselves.
It would be funny to see the Inquisition try to feud with the Space Wolves again after Russ' return.
I love the Black Dragons with all of their pointy bits..lol. And What the Inquisition DID to the Celestial Lions was nothing short of Appalling. And Now they're looking at My Celtic Crazy Spears? The Inquisition needs a TIME OUT....In the form of a BOLTER ROUND.
Gulliman calls the 13th together and marches on the Inquisition. Before they get there the Black Templars and Space Wolves join them for sure
Didn't the business against the celestial lions also earn the inquisition the ire of the Black Templars as well? I swear I heard that somewhere
The Inquisition is fucked when Leman Russ comes back. Can you imagine Bjorn and Grimnar telling Russ about what happened during the months or shame?
Gabriel Seth loading death company onto drop pods for just such an event
Remember Grimaldus went to Hellbrict about fighting the Inquisition over the stuff they did the Celestial Lions and Hellbrict was down for it but had to kill Orks lol
Roboute will not outright disband the inquisiton.
But I am sure he can write a codex on how they should operate ...
If the Inquisition managed to bring Guliman to his knees or worse. I’m tipping that theyd be soon speaking directly to the Emperor himself in much the same way he possessed Robute to address Mortarion and Nurgle.
All Guilliman would need to do is publish a list of the inquisitions actions and their more radical elements such as the Oblationists, Phaenonites, and so on ordering all loyal worlds, chapters and soldiers to purge the inquisition and that would fix that.
REMEMBER THE MONTHS OF SHAME!!
FOR RUSS, FOR THE ALL FATHER
Plot Twist: the new codex Gullimen is writing takes the grey knights out of the inquesition, and has Astartes not beholden to the inquesition at all.
That suddenly takes a lot of power from the inquesition, Gullimen then only has to wait for the Inquisition to have to learn to behave, or for them to fuck up and suddenly a primarch has a public reason to move against them.
I wonder if something like a civil war with the Inquisition would be enough to bring Leman Russ back and also see the Lion come back at the same time (or a Primarch at all). Or, perhaps, one of the warp-bound Primarchs comes back and is deemed heretical by the Inquisition and the Lion or somebody in realspace is summoned by the Emperor to assist in beating the Inquisition into order, kinda similar to the treatment Lorgar got from the Emperor.
I would die to see Russ return and curbstomp the inquisition but if the Lion or the Raven returns first I wouldn't be too sad.
_Wait the Lion..._
Inquisition looks into Dark Angels, finds fuckery, Dark Angels proceed to curb stomp the Inquisition and lead the first wave alongside the Space Wolves which brings back both Leman Russ and the Lion.
As far as the return of Primarchs go, that one is actually feasible and _epic as shit._
@@Volvith indeed xD
@@Volvith I really feel like the whole "Lorgar shame version 2.0" thing really has legs that can have a lot of ways it can go down and bring back Primarchs. There might even be a way to dig Lorgar out of the hole of being a little bitch running from Corax the entire time and making him more complex and perhaps he'll more directly challenge the faith of the Imperium. It'd be interesting (to me) to see his views on the Emperor's godhood more explicitly at this point.
I'll bet the lion will return and start the cvil war and when the wolf returns the war will end and that will start a new area with 3 primaries im sure there's some religious imagery with 3 God like beings in a church
Questions :
1. What If the Inquisition go's after Gulliman?
2. What Space marines Chapters would join Gulliman in the fight against the Inquisition?
3. Which space marines would join the Inquisition?
The lion ain’t going to be down with the inquisition when he gets up from his nap there going to be a reckoning
I think the Inquisition is going to get a swift kick in the ass like Goge Vandire during the Age of Apostasy. As for Guilliman, well do know he spoke with the Emperor, and continues to serve the Emperor's will. If they were to go after Guilliman, they would be technically also be going against the Emperor's will. To be honest, I'd love to see Greyfax as the new leader of the Inquisition.
Like the inquistion itself this would be both Great and Terrible. The fence is rotten but punching holes into it is going to cause disasters too.
The Inquisition creates two enemies for every one they destroy and a host of problems for every one they "solve".
The Inquisition is maybe the most interesting organization in the Imperium. So many different factions and belief systems (Lutein vid on it was amazing) and despite the horror of their actions, Chaos is actually so awful that the Inquisition is the lesser of two evils. However, it goes without saying that the Inquisition needs a TTS style cleanup, and the Big Blue Bureaucrat may be just the man to tackle it (I love Guilliman but the alliteration was just too tempting). I would LOVE for Guilliman to find out about what happened to the Celestial Lions, and Dubaku's murder in particular.
Probably not the END but definitely a reformation
War against the inquisition?
*Logan starts stretching in his terminator armor*
Its only a matter of time before the inquisition will try to mess with Guilliman. I'm sure the Primarch is already aware they are a problem and has most likely already set plans in motion to deal with them. I think we will see a scenario like with the highlords of terra, it will just be more involved with more moving parts and planning. The problem is the non corrupt parts of the Inquisition are very useful and can do things and go places a chapter never could.
well the interesting thing about the celestial lions thing is that their now dead chapter master became good friends with Grimaldus on Armageddon, and after that war Grimaldus ordered a load of black templars to assist the lions with recruitment and training, and The Black Templars are also known for their hatred of the inquisition so they're gonna want some blood for his death aswell
I feel like the Celestial Lions will get their vengeance when/if Dorn returns. Having Guilliman intercede on their behalf seems like a bit of a let down.
Could be funny to see some inquisitor to try to overrule the Guilliman... :)
Grey Knights, Minotaurs, Exorcists, Black Templars, wider Inquisition vs very pissed off good bois. More interesting than imperium vs chaos to me
1:15 very interesting way to say that? Never heard anyone else ever pronounce it like that...
Inquisitors make good target practice. for vindicaire assassins.
has there been anything written of the imperium's capability to terraform worlds? could they repopulate exterminatus'ed worlds?
Lil late commenting here but I wanna see what happens when(hopefully) Corax returns from the Eye of Terror all warpy. Don't think that will sit well with the inquisition. Lol. Could really shake things up. Be interesting to see how The Lion reacts to the way things are in the 41rst too
I think custodes would take the head inquistor to see the emperor get him straightened out...
This is the struggle that imperial institutions bring on themselves by letting cabals and cults run rampant within the structures they purport to endorse; the wrath of many Guilliman-line astartes could be brought upon the entire inquisition due to the actions of one or two inquisitor lords and their followers; without the awareness or the understanding of the rest of the inquisition or indeed the astartes in general. However, if some level of support or conspiracy were to be found among the administratum or it’s appendants…. Perhaps even the officials at the beck and call of the high lords…. It would be very difficult to disagree with the Astartes, no matter how extreme their counter-actions were. The inquisition would start to look a lot like the thing they are supposed to be preventing. Yet another Van Dyre and the schism.
What do you mean an inquisitor went missing again and our ships were seen in the area? It must've been orks. (Laughs in Dark Angel)
It was an Ork “sniper” who killed the Inquisitor. Honestly.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 was this ork sniper dressed in purple?
@@AnikaJarlsdottr And had red shoes on.
Guilliman decreed no more EXTERMINATUS to anyone of the 500 planets of ULTRAMAR; in the Dark Imperium series.
The Inqusition is slowly being replaced by the Historitors bearing the seal of the Lord Regent, according to Sulimani many died trying to deliver the original copy of the Book of Logar to Guilliman
The inquisition is corrupt if not more or the same as the ruinous powers. Malcador had his reasons, and the assassinorum has its place in the wider imperium, but the different factions within the inquisition just fuels the fires
It is an easy battle. Space marine captains/chapter masters whatever who have relationships with inquisitors call them and tell them they need their help and meet me on planet 'x', don't bring too much stuff we need to be stealthy. When the inquisitor arrives, they say that they are acting on behalf of The Captain General or Guilliman and he is the one who actually needs to see them. Inquisition can't be trusted but That one single inquisitor can be. Put him and his retinue on their battle barge as some combination of guest/prisoner and take him to Guilliman. If he is a sketchy inquisitor they put a bolt through his head mid flight but if he is a good guy Guilliman can use him to start a new Inquisition