WILL THE AELDARI FREE JAGHATAI KHAN? THE WAR WITHIN THE WEBWAY!

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  • Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the primarch of the White Scars Jaghatai Khan! As we ask if Eldrad Ulthran will free the Khagan from his Webway prison? Could he become involved with the war against Chaos?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 228

  • @AsiniusNaso
    @AsiniusNaso 4 місяці тому +247

    •The Lion’s back
    •Russ pops up, needs help looking for the tree of life
    •Lion’s cool with it, needs a knightly quest
    •Khan and Eldrad fly in on the galaxy’s fastest ride, a whole-ass craftworld: “need a lift?”
    •Road trip with the boys

    • @lazylazymule
      @lazylazymule 4 місяці тому +25

      I love how geeky goodboy Guilliman stays at home doing paperwork and bearing the weight of the entire Imperium on his shoulder while his bros are out zipping around on Scars jetbikes lol.

    • @nicholasshofner887
      @nicholasshofner887 4 місяці тому +42

      "Get in loser, we're killing daemons," - Jaghatai Khan, probably

    • @huntergallatin6758
      @huntergallatin6758 4 місяці тому +6

      The nice thing about Jaghatai is if GW makes special primaris White Scars range like the blood angels, and Space wolves had, they would sell so fast and long term keep selling. Especially since I'm pretty sure I remember reading in path of heaven Jaghatai has a dragon helm. Like Quin Xa had. Now that would make for SUCH a cool model!

    • @vlaandhael
      @vlaandhael 4 місяці тому +7

      *pass by Corvus Corax without noticing him

    • @huntergallatin6758
      @huntergallatin6758 4 місяці тому

      @@vlaandhael met them there

  • @minhducnguyen9276
    @minhducnguyen9276 4 місяці тому +24

    "Gulliman, you got an eldari wife?"
    "Well, this is awkward"
    "Yeah, for you, because I got ten."

  • @weatherreport9227
    @weatherreport9227 4 місяці тому +162

    I dont care if it will ruin me financially, GW give me my White Scars refresh with the Khan!!

    • @garysuarez9614
      @garysuarez9614 4 місяці тому +14

      *_happy the Hu noises_*

    • @jkgf4671
      @jkgf4671 4 місяці тому +13

      All the GW can give you is female Custodes.

    • @robertemerson1087
      @robertemerson1087 4 місяці тому

      @@jkgf4671I hate that I can’t go anywhere without you guys mentioning that.

    • @peace_.was_never_an_option
      @peace_.was_never_an_option 4 місяці тому

      i will go bankrupt for this

    • @TheDeathMetalFan666
      @TheDeathMetalFan666 4 місяці тому +1

      @@peace_.was_never_an_option ah thats a shame. seeing as everyone else is done with DEI/wokeness

  • @UncleMikeDrop
    @UncleMikeDrop 4 місяці тому +84

    JUST IMAGINE a Jaghatai storyline involving the Gladiatorial pits followed by an escape, though.

    • @lysandergorisch1969
      @lysandergorisch1969 4 місяці тому +9

      honestly i think he might, dude got one of the cleanest trackrecord fighting other primarchs and not in the bullshit Leman Russ way were Magnus whooped his pityful ass even when sorounded by sisters of silence and space marines and thunderwolves had to throw themselfs at magnus so daddy dearest could keep his remaining heart and find a opening. Nah none of that shit. He beat demom moration in a contest of endurance .

    • @SirKanti1
      @SirKanti1 4 місяці тому +12

      Inquisitor: My lord Jaghatai! Quickly, there is little time, we have come to free you!.
      Khan: Free me? I could leave any time I wanted too, this is just more fun *Kills another elf

    • @vlaandhael
      @vlaandhael 4 місяці тому +1

      just like Uftak Blackhawk :D

    • @FYAjibber000
      @FYAjibber000 4 місяці тому

      ​@@SirKanti1that would have to be the cannon...can't see anyone being able to capture the Khan unless he wanted to be

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@SirKanti1
      "Are you not entertained!?"

  • @cj4857
    @cj4857 4 місяці тому +51

    The Khan was the unknown element to the other primarchs. Maybe he'd be the same with Eldrad. The Aeldari would look upon him as a Monkeigh, but maybe the Warhawk is just playing the Aeldari instead. Who knows with Jagatai? Not even his brothers.

    • @ashtonshephard3852
      @ashtonshephard3852 4 місяці тому +4

      Maybe he's maybelline

    • @taylorking7467
      @taylorking7467 4 місяці тому

      That had no right to be that funny​@@ashtonshephard3852

    • @ahn0x
      @ahn0x 4 місяці тому +6

      Jaghatai is a cool Primarch BC he admits to himself that he doesn't know either. That's why he didn't help Russ w/ the Alpha Legion until he went to Prospero to confirm everything himself. Self-awareness is a rarity in the 40k universe. He also laughed it off when Malcador revealed Vulcan was alive, or that they didn't need to know the Emperor's plan.
      As Primarch egos go, pretty positive examples. (admittedly he's not perfect, kicking out Saul Niborran for voicing dissent, but again, this is 40k)

    • @wewuzkangz2505
      @wewuzkangz2505 4 місяці тому +2

      Not really, Aeldari respect the primarchs, you don't have to like them but respect is given, even non-humans feel what they're conversing with, a warp deity stuffed into a meat suit.

    • @saltking2133
      @saltking2133 День тому

      ​@@wewuzkangz2505it would be in a xenos best interest to respect a Primarch, they are demigods made flesh. Not PERFECT, but potent to a degree that our regular human minds can only grasp at

  • @vontheunknown7982
    @vontheunknown7982 4 місяці тому +64

    Honestly, I'm all for it. Now we finally get the warhawk vs Fulgrim fight.
    With the Warhawk proven his words, what he said to Fulgrim in the great crusade.

    • @Mortarion-xt9wp
      @Mortarion-xt9wp 4 місяці тому

      "I heard you do strange things to your men"

    • @peace_.was_never_an_option
      @peace_.was_never_an_option 4 місяці тому +6

      not only would he prove he's the better fighter, he'd also be proven right about Fulgrim doing strange thing s to his sons

    • @ashtonshephard3852
      @ashtonshephard3852 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@peace_.was_never_an_optionwhat book is this in?

    • @samhobbs9116
      @samhobbs9116 4 місяці тому +1

      @@ashtonshephard3852 False Gods or Fulgrim I think.

    • @jw7500
      @jw7500 4 місяці тому +1

      Depends on if you meant the argument or the actual things. If the argument, then Scars.

  • @feris2137
    @feris2137 4 місяці тому +27

    Aeldari and bringing back Primarchs, name more iconic duo

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 4 місяці тому +5

      "Gulliman, you got an eldari wife?"
      "Well, this is awkward"
      "Yeah, for you, because I got ten."

    • @ashtonshephard3852
      @ashtonshephard3852 4 місяці тому

      ​@@minhducnguyen9276this would work because astartes don't bang. So no xenohuman hybrids and they get to avoid the sensual slanny things and be homoerotic battle brothers

    • @mid-westmusic3472
      @mid-westmusic3472 4 місяці тому +1

      I am thinking buddy cops in space.

    • @WShoup9818
      @WShoup9818 4 місяці тому

      The lion and the watchers in the dark.

    • @agentc7020
      @agentc7020 3 місяці тому

      ​@@ashtonshephard3852 Primarchs are NOT astartes, they could bang if they found someone that could actually, you know, handle them, if there is a race that could, it'd be the eldar, they aren't as tall as the primarchs but closer than any other humanoid females out there, so you know, eldari wifes for the win.

  • @chucklytell
    @chucklytell 4 місяці тому +16

    I think only Cegorach truly knows whats going on with the Khan and that his fate is def tied with the aeldari from the time the laughing god switched Jaghatai's pod with Fulgrim's. I cant wait for his return (or his joytoy figure lol)

  • @commandernevar8555
    @commandernevar8555 4 місяці тому +35

    I vaguely remember reading something in the old law got to be going back some 20+ years that the Black Library in the Webway was guarded by a mysterious non eldar figure in power armour

    • @commandernevar8555
      @commandernevar8555 4 місяці тому +6

      @noneofbusiness9764 Sorry I don't, it's so long ago. I couldn't even say if it was the first edition codex Eldar or just an article in one of the early white dwarf magazine

    • @stone7281
      @stone7281 4 місяці тому +2

      could that be an early reference to ephrael stern?

    • @olibirkett331
      @olibirkett331 4 місяці тому

      Was it the inquisition series? That's about 40 years old, but there was some strange goings on at the black library. Maybe lexandro of the fists is still there. Very old book series.

    • @24dasr
      @24dasr 4 місяці тому

      @@stone7281 Probably is.
      There's also Ephrael being shown at the black library in the TTS series, which draws a lot from the old lore.

    • @thetravellerx5676
      @thetravellerx5676 3 місяці тому

      It's not the Khan.
      The Eldar and the Harlequins maybe allies, but they're also not on the most amicable terms.

  • @allenjackson8632
    @allenjackson8632 4 місяці тому +19

    I reckon the Khan is in the Black Library itself. Perfect place that's hard to find.

    • @horuslupercal2385
      @horuslupercal2385 4 місяці тому +3

      If this is the case (and the Khan returns), I hope he brings some new Harlequins units with him 🤞

    • @cj4857
      @cj4857 4 місяці тому +5

      Didn't the inquisitor in the Atlas infernal novel, Bronislaw Czevak go to the Black library, map it and return, fully healed. He's now an inquisitor lord and 433 yrs old according to Lexicanum

  • @hueman8955
    @hueman8955 4 місяці тому +12

    I think it would be hilarious if Abaddon accidentally brings *another* primarch back

  • @Elthenar
    @Elthenar 4 місяці тому +31

    Plot twist. Trazyn shows up to a big fight and throws a single pokeball. Out pops thr Khan and a 1000 Heresy era Scars!

    • @bobloerakker9031
      @bobloerakker9031 4 місяці тому +3

      I choose you !

    • @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it
      @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it 4 місяці тому +4

      Well, he does, or at least did have the clone of Fulgrim so maybe he does have Jaghatai...or maybe Dorn?
      Though I personally think Dorn is in the City of Dust, aiding in it's construction and I can't help but think of it after his time in the desert, especially the ruins in the End and the Death.

    • @ashtonshephard3852
      @ashtonshephard3852 4 місяці тому

      ​@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2itif dorn is alive, I believe he is there. I also think Alpharius/Omegon is there too

    • @yojon4905
      @yojon4905 4 місяці тому

      Lmao

  • @justinanderson2460
    @justinanderson2460 4 місяці тому +8

    I have had a hunch for years that Ceograch himself was involved in the Khan's disappearance - especially considering it's implied that Ceograch was the one who swapped the Khan's and Fulgrim's place in their scattering.
    Just a hunch.

    • @normtrooper4392
      @normtrooper4392 4 місяці тому

      What is the source for the claim he switched the pods?

    • @dakotawharton
      @dakotawharton 4 місяці тому +3

      Magnus told Khan in the scars book that he and Fulgrim where switched by an outside force from the warp. It could have been the Cabal but was most likely Ceograch considering fulgrim went to slaanesh and there aren't any other gods running around screwing with chaos.

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus 3 місяці тому +1

      @@dakotawharton thats why Emperor thought that Khan would betray him and not fulgrim xD

  • @Kristian.B.Kristiansen
    @Kristian.B.Kristiansen 4 місяці тому +15

    We know from the 10th Edition Chaosmarine codex, that The Eldar are hunting Vashtor in the Webway, but that he is slippery and hard to pin down in a battle.

    • @elitetrooper119
      @elitetrooper119 4 місяці тому

      Who is Vashtor?

    • @elysia3294
      @elysia3294 4 місяці тому

      @@elitetrooper119 wannabe 5th chaos god, demon engine and science stuff

    • @elitetrooper119
      @elitetrooper119 4 місяці тому

      @@elysia3294 what? How can he be a 5th chaos god? Is he that powerful?

    • @elysia3294
      @elysia3294 4 місяці тому +2

      @@elitetrooper119 hes trying to become one. He is in charge of the demon forge worlds. He is a central figure in the arks of omen books

    • @fuchsmichael93
      @fuchsmichael93 4 місяці тому

      The biggest Contender since Belakor. Chances are high that he is allied with Perturabo as well. It would fit really well.

  • @spiceguy95
    @spiceguy95 4 місяці тому +12

    I would give anything to see Khan vs Fulgrim after seeing how the Khan handled the Keeper of Secrets

  • @SirKanti1
    @SirKanti1 4 місяці тому +5

    I want the Khan to come back, Meet up with the White Scars and his brothers, goes to see the Golden Throne, checks in on Chogoris. Before lapping his knee and saying "Well this has been a nice break, but better get back to work" then grabbing every White scar, guardsman, custodes, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of silence, Ad Mech and Primaris he can before going back into the webway for a crusade down the tunnels.

  • @codycurtin2295
    @codycurtin2295 4 місяці тому +17

    WE WANT THE KARGHAN WE WANT THE KARGHAN!

  • @kapitankapital6580
    @kapitankapital6580 4 місяці тому +2

    I think it's really important that the primarchs we see in 40k are fundamentally different from those in 30k. Not just because it helps to restore a bit of that veil of unreliability in the narrative but also because should change over 10,000 years, ESPECIALLY if they've been involved with Warp shenanigans.
    With that in mind, I think it would be pretty cool if Jaghatai Khan has been "corrupted" by the Eldar in some way. Maybe it's just that he uses Eldar kit or maybe he's begun to change physically, but I think that poses a really interesting dynamic to the Imperium. Like, this is a loyalist primarch with chapters of space marines ready to follow him, but he's also "gone native" and fights for those who are ostensibly the Imperium's enemies. But on the other hand the Eldar are a Xenos race that the Imperium works with (unofficially of course) when they need to. It also acts as an interesting foil to Guilliman's own relationship with the Eldar, with it still very much being Imperium First, having a different primarch with the relationship flipped could lead to interesting conflict within the otherwise overly perfect Guilliman. And just from a gameplay perspective it could be interesting to have a primarch who can be taken both by the Imperium and by a Xenos faction.

  • @RatchildUK
    @RatchildUK 4 місяці тому +7

    He's in the Black Library with Cegorach.

    • @zeehero7280
      @zeehero7280 3 місяці тому +2

      they are just chilling and reading the forbidden comic books.

  • @nomad2864
    @nomad2864 4 місяці тому +9

    Vashdor v khan in webway as gateway to 11th ed

  • @ashtonshephard3852
    @ashtonshephard3852 4 місяці тому +1

    Considering that we have a primarch for both major fronts in the Imperium, guilliman in sanctus and the lion in nihilism, having a primarch working in the web way isn't a bad idea. I mean technically corax is still loyally hunting down traitors in the warp, focusing on lorgar quite heavily. I mean corax isnt "returned" but we at least we know where he is and what hes doing

  • @joelestadella1983
    @joelestadella1983 4 місяці тому +2

    If Jaghatai is in the webway the Harlequins would know where, but they could simply not tell Eldrad. They are loyal Cegorach and their own system, not any craftworld, and it would be very typical of them to wait until the best moment to reveal what they know

  • @Clasteau
    @Clasteau 4 місяці тому +4

    I don't see him the type to WAIT.
    He's hunting something in there.

  • @GiRR007
    @GiRR007 4 місяці тому +2

    Something I think would be cool is if jahgatai mastered the webway after spending so much time there, no bale able to just enter it and leave it anytime and anywhere he wants like its the speed force or something. 😄

  • @jkgf4671
    @jkgf4671 4 місяці тому +3

    Eldrad could know where Khan is, but he didn't want to give Imperium another primarch that will easily turn on him later. He might know where he is, but did not want to pay the price to aiding him. Either the sacrificing lives of the Eldars or giving Imperium the access to the webway.

  • @davidmiddleton7958
    @davidmiddleton7958 4 місяці тому +4

    Hmmmmm, freeing Jagahtai Khan? It is an intriguing possibility, and Jagahtai does bring some unique talents. With the threats facing the 41st Millenium, lightening warfare would be helpful. Don't know how it would affect the current narrative, but would shake it up. Whether Eldrad would even consider such a risk is a matter of some debate. Stirring up the Dark Eldar would be a minus on that front.

  • @gawkthimm6030
    @gawkthimm6030 3 місяці тому +1

    @wolflordrho I know its speculation, but I would love to know your sources when you do these lore deep dives, which books to read more about; War Within the webway, the Khans disappearance etc..
    I really appreciate these videos but sometimes its hard to know from where these theories spawn and which primary sources to read more about them ourselves.

  • @AndyAshworth-h6w
    @AndyAshworth-h6w 4 місяці тому +2

    Father Matheu while possesed by the emperor to Guilliman, "its been a long plan to bring you back", who knows could the emperor have been in contact with eldrad and the eldar?

  • @dalaminaubis7822
    @dalaminaubis7822 3 місяці тому

    They open some bent around Webway tunnel and on the other side is a Primarch scaled cottage with an orchard and a chicken farm, Jaghatai trimming rose bushes around the porch.

  • @MrTmullen
    @MrTmullen 3 місяці тому

    Don’t forget that Captain Alessio Cortez of the Crimson Fists is in the webway as well. I am really hoping that when the Khan comes back the Crimson Fist’s Master of the Charge is by his side.

  • @7r3x1992
    @7r3x1992 2 місяці тому

    I can see Fabius Bile helping unintentionally by activating ancient webway portals.

  • @GaryPipe-go6uh
    @GaryPipe-go6uh 4 місяці тому

    I like your idea for this. It makes sense from Eldrad's perspective. I would like Cegorach to somehow have some sort of part in this like it was the laughing god who trapped Jaghati but the manipulation would make sense

  • @LM-xw7ii
    @LM-xw7ii 2 місяці тому

    I would argue that this day and age is the only one in which it is safe for the Khan to come back. It is strongly implied that the Khan quietly resented the emperor for essentially upstaging his own conquests, and even that the Khan briefly tried to gather evidence before deciding whether to support the imperium or Horus. He’s a man who loves war, and who wants to establish an empire for himself, but he could never do so in the emperor’s galaxy.
    But now, that galaxy has been split in half.
    The Khan can have his opportunity to lead his men to war and build an empire out of the ruins of the imperium nihilis. And the best part is that the self-sufficiency that his white scars learned in the early days of the crusade, make his legion the perfect one to do it.
    At the same time, he wouldn’t actively be going against imperial interests. The imperial doesn’t have the resources to protect the nihilis anyway, and they are far better served by having him in charge of a region of it then by having anybody else.
    I guess I’m saying that in a galaxy with a weakened imperium and a lot of dangerously unstable territory, there is finally room in the galaxy for the Khan’s ambitions without clashing with the imperium’s own stability.

  • @horuslupercal2385
    @horuslupercal2385 4 місяці тому +2

    Very unlikely..... But I hope we see Jaghatai and Konrad Curze return to the 40k setting 🤞

  • @darkhighwayman1757
    @darkhighwayman1757 4 місяці тому +4

    An Eldar is gonna do what an Eldar's gonna do...

    • @maxmagnus377
      @maxmagnus377 4 місяці тому

      Which is playing second fiddle to the Imperium, it seems... for some reason xD

    • @jameskirkland3187
      @jameskirkland3187 4 місяці тому

      They don't have the manpower to fight chaos. (Pun intended)

    • @Samuraiedge2
      @Samuraiedge2 4 місяці тому

      Become fodder so humanity can look good?

    • @wewuzkangz2505
      @wewuzkangz2505 4 місяці тому

      @@Samuraiedge2 Yes

  • @kinki_koala2426
    @kinki_koala2426 4 місяці тому +1

    Aun’shi is also in web way (commorragh) I know this will never happen but imagine if they made a book where aun’shi and the khan meet and become bros and together escaped commorragh

  • @rick_bassman
    @rick_bassman 4 місяці тому +1

    Vecht knows where the Khan is. Ultran knows Vecht knows. With how things are in the web way and Kammorach, Vecht would be eager to make a deal with the farseer, but as no fool, would not at all be inclined to bargain lightly, and very likely will not follow the letter of the deal and instead scheming to undo Ulthran's scheme in the end. All the while the aeldari are locked in mortal combat with the great enemy.
    That's my head cannon anyway.

  • @mechanicobra
    @mechanicobra 4 місяці тому +1

    While I’m totally expecting Russ back next I honestly think that the Khan makes way more sense. I know it’s unlikely but I want that Khan v Fulgrim battle dang it!

  • @tylernelson2218
    @tylernelson2218 3 місяці тому +1

    How to get me to buy an army , bring me the Khan!!

  • @EngineerOfVaul
    @EngineerOfVaul 4 дні тому

    I've been talking about this for ages, but yes I think Eldrad and the Harlequins (and maybe Cegorach himself) will be involved in the return of Jaghatai. There's too many plots and hints pointing to such a thing.
    First of all, Cegorach flipped the destination of Jaghatai and Fulgrim when they were flung across the galaxy. Jaghatai was supposed to land on Chemos and Fulgrim on Chogoris, but it was the other way around. Its probably easy to presume that changed which one of the two was going to turn traitor, and a traitor Khan was a much worse result than a traitor fulgrim, who as we see pretty much contributed nothing to the siege of terra and went about doing whatever he wanted. Lets not forget Fulgrim is the demon primarch of Slaanesh, and having a more proactive primarch like the khan fall to slaanesh may have been much worse for the aeldari too.
    And I don't think Cegorach is done with the Khan yet. For all we know, the Drukhari who drew the Khan into the webway were part of his plan. Once inside, he probably got to have an audience with the Khan, before returning him back to realspace at the time the laughing god thinks is appropriate. Which could be whenever, since time fluctuates so much in the webway. What was 10000 years in the materium could be much, much shorter in the webway.
    The Khan also speaking to Eldrad, possibly while he's still in the webway, would be poetic, as it could be a mirror of the time he spoke to fulgrim, but this time the negotiations actually go well. Eldrad is also currently much more involved with the Harlequins since being exiled from Ulthwe after the summoning of Ynnead, and works alongside them constantly. (Something of note is that Eldrad for all his haughtiness, does understand the power and importance of the primarchs. He's even commented on how the some primarchs are, in some ways, superior to the aeldari as a species. But that's a different point entirely.)
    All of this could lead to a couple of different plot points. The final cronesword of morai-heg, for example, that is needed to fully summon ynnead, could be in Fulgrim's possession. And the aeldari might get the Khan to fight him and finally take the sword. That way both the ynnari storyline gets resolved, and the Khan and Fulgrim finally have that fight they always hinted at. And now that at the end of arks of omenm Abbadon and Jaghatai are going through the webway, it sets up the perfect opportunity for the Khan, alongside the harlequins and perhaps other aeldari, to show up and fight them off. It all leads in that direction and I am excited.

  • @saltking2133
    @saltking2133 День тому

    I feel like Jaghatai is so guarded but the Primarchs who are truly self contained and secretive has to be Lion El. The Khan has balls though. He told Fulgrim to his face he doesn't want smoke, AND went to Russ's ship with NO WEAPONS hoping not to get in a brawl but was ready for it 😂 we'll never know the true depths of his badassery but GW is shining a light on his story as of late

  • @poodlescone9700
    @poodlescone9700 4 місяці тому

    Cegorah would know where the Khan is in the Webway. I bet he is keeping him as a surprise against Slaneesh.

  • @Milk192
    @Milk192 4 місяці тому +1

    *Wolf Totem blasting in the distance*

  • @benjaminstorace6699
    @benjaminstorace6699 4 місяці тому +1

    Honestly, I feel Russ would be more likely to listen to a knife-ear than Jaghatai, considering his history with the Eldar.

  • @zoniccrony933
    @zoniccrony933 4 місяці тому

    Commaragh is said com-a-ra by the way. Huge fan of your content

  • @56aralon
    @56aralon 4 місяці тому

    I would love the return of Khan. He would take the fight straight to the enemy and take names.

  • @generaljimmies3429
    @generaljimmies3429 4 місяці тому +1

    I want to see the orks challenge the khan to a race

  • @bloodyshark2126
    @bloodyshark2126 3 місяці тому

    He’s probably just trying to find his way into black library to restore magnus

  • @Christopher-ip2mp
    @Christopher-ip2mp 4 місяці тому

    I love the White Scars as they are just pure badass !

  • @boerhcauldur1873
    @boerhcauldur1873 17 днів тому

    With eldar getting a codex soon I would love this!!

  • @RuerlKhan
    @RuerlKhan 4 місяці тому +1

    Well... Another option is that Jaghatai is dead. That being said, let's assume for a moment that he is alive - why would Eldrad actually help? He's taking the very long view, he might see that the future with Jaghatai might be a boost on the short term - it may be actually a detriment long term.

  • @draganjovanov4933
    @draganjovanov4933 3 місяці тому

    The kahn is the bigest unknown, so i think it would be something totaly different then what we could think how he would return.

  • @sebastianzmijewski1282
    @sebastianzmijewski1282 4 місяці тому

    I think jhagatai makes a lot of sense. I don’t remember the book but him and the lion were name dropped in one of the dawn of fire series before the lion was actually back. Something about a rumor of him riding above cadia.

  • @jacobevans4086
    @jacobevans4086 4 місяці тому +4

    Damn 1 minute. I’ve never been this early. Let’s go!

  • @ryanhernandez3946
    @ryanhernandez3946 4 місяці тому

    i think it would be amazing if he returned and spoke about running into ra indimeon in the webway and jaghatai has the demon sword ra was trying to get as far from the imperium as possible, like he is able to be uncorrupted by its influence

  • @Troupe_Master
    @Troupe_Master 3 місяці тому

    That would be absolutely amazing

  • @CEN19
    @CEN19 4 місяці тому

    White Scars are my personal favorite Space Marines. Would love to see The Khan, Lion, and Guilliman start to restore the imperium to greatness!!!
    I would assume The Khan is hunting something dangerous in the Webway.
    Kor'sarro needs some backup!!!

  • @ddooodddoo
    @ddooodddoo 4 місяці тому +1

    Could the return of the loyalist primarchs be the doing of the emperor himself. As the emperor grows in power in the warp he will need his greatest generals to lead and maintain the imperium as he takes out the choas gods

  • @coltonstergue7079
    @coltonstergue7079 4 місяці тому +1

    My idea is that the Khan has become an avatar/champion of the laughing god in the webway (I know his name idk how to spell it). I think it would fit his character, him being know for laughing into battle and I think the khan would work with him because the laughing god is working to destroy chaos and I think the khan would agree.

    • @Clasteau
      @Clasteau 4 місяці тому +1

      Think it's spelled Cegorach.

    • @cj4857
      @cj4857 4 місяці тому +1

      Cegorach the laughing god, and Jagatai, the laughing killer! A good match

    • @jaqssmith1666
      @jaqssmith1666 4 місяці тому

      GW Brings Khan back, but he's a harlequin model in the Aeldari Codex XD

    • @jameson1239
      @jameson1239 4 місяці тому

      @@jaqssmith1666imperium fans would have a stroke

  • @Scythe592
    @Scythe592 4 місяці тому

    If the Khan was in the dark city he would for sure be in the "care" of the haemonculi.

  • @Ollaniusperrson
    @Ollaniusperrson 4 місяці тому

    What I would like to see is Clonegrim somehow be involved in JKs escape. I think it would be cool if at first JK and Clonegrim have to duel the fight sparks Demon Fylgrim to return to real space l. Clonegrim and JK team up to fight the demon primarch and clonegrim sacrifices himself to push JK into real space as the webway closes and he escapes DP Fulgrim and the Drukhari as a whole

  • @kailuun
    @kailuun 4 місяці тому +1

    I think that Jhagatai is within the Black Library itself. If anything I think that it was Cegorach that found him and brought him there. If he does, then Mortarion will be wanting another rematch. Admittedly, if any Primarch would be good for the cause of the Imperium's war against Chaos, then Jhagatai Khan would be the best choice, since he is literally meant to be a weapon against Chaos.

    • @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it
      @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it 4 місяці тому +1

      I thought the Lion was the weapon against Chaos, with his innate ability to sense corruption and his knowledge of Chaos in an instinctual level and what he read after defeating the Order on Caliban that was who protecting the Great Beasts, taking their library and spending over a month solidly reading every page.

    • @WShoup9818
      @WShoup9818 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2ityou are correct the lion is the ultimate chaos counter but he sadly has aged which has definitely handicapped him.

  • @beardedsquire
    @beardedsquire 4 місяці тому

    I feel the view of "escape the webway" is incorrect.
    I don't think the Khan is trapped, I think the Eldari have explained to him the value of the black library, and if he works with them they will grant him access.
    Khan has often shown a need to know the truth, and BL gives him access to knowledge BigE wouldn't tell him or may not have known.
    So I think he works with them, in exchange for more access, maybe even he has the knowledge he needs, and sees that, that is the most strategically important place for him to be.
    I think there is a good chance Vashtorr will attack the BL, because it contains, or the location of, the Key.
    The story of Vashtorr's attack will bring the Khan into the current setting.
    The key will give him a way to break Terra's webway gate, which he will access via his tunneller.
    On Terra is the weapon, the Golden Throne, which when fully functional ascends you to godhood.

  • @davidmathieson8661
    @davidmathieson8661 4 місяці тому

    I get an image (no matter how unlikely) of The Khan on the front lines withing the Webway, in an uneasy allience with the Aeldari, wearing Primarch scale wraithbone armour and weapons...to me the Aeldari armour and sword styling kinda fit The Khan's own aesthetic

  • @MagosCavantis
    @MagosCavantis 4 місяці тому

    Forget it, the mon-keig stays in the arena.

  • @jamesejudy3
    @jamesejudy3 2 місяці тому

    They'll give the Khan knowledge of the Web way to give him a route to reinforce Dante.

  • @jouniosmala9921
    @jouniosmala9921 4 місяці тому

    It would impact the war against chaos more than sacrificing Khan as distraction, if Aeldari could actually get to use White Scars+other imperial forces lead by Khan in a specific battle in exchange for guiding every survivor back to home after the battle. It doesn't take a farseer to see that Guilliman would be willing to commit decent forces for helping his brother to return. Or just tell Guilliman who's leading large amount of troops that they have seen Khan fighting forces of Chaos in a webway. (That they manipulated.) And if he would come with troops he had with him they would still have time to save him.

  • @allenbroussard1451
    @allenbroussard1451 3 місяці тому

    Imagine Khan found the Black Library and just began reading. During the thousands of years of just chilling in the the library he changes and just chills tf out and enters Bhuddist state, becoming a Ghandi-type.

  • @HenchmenNo616
    @HenchmenNo616 3 місяці тому

    Imagine the Eldar giving the Khan a custom eldar speede4 bike

  • @GabaWocky
    @GabaWocky 3 місяці тому

    The Eldar don’t know where Jaghatai is. In the book “The Last Hunt” the 4th company do some time travelling and end up being able to go looking for Jaghatai in the webway. When the khan asks the Eldar if she can sense Jaghatai in the webway she says she doesn’t know but to find out they have to go in.

  • @bobloerakker9031
    @bobloerakker9031 4 місяці тому +1

    Aeldari are really helping us out. They must finally realize humanity is the only hope for some kind of victory over the eternal enemy. I want a damn alliance with the aeldari, there i said it. Is that a knock on my door?

    • @elitetrooper119
      @elitetrooper119 4 місяці тому +1

      I agree. I view the binds between Guilliman and Evraine or whatever her name is could be the beginning. As well as the Primarch in the warp on a quest to find the “ Tree of Life ( Aisha ) in the warp ( Nurgle’s Garden ) the Eldari are actually there fighting to free Aisha if they can what if they ran into him and his boys? Imagine that. They save Aisha together, in return Aisha agrees to revive the Emperor of Mankind as that is what he sought her ought for, Imagine how strong Humanity’s forces would be with the Emperor returned to us?! Many would feel endeared to Aisha and it’s not like we or the Emperor can kill her cause she’s a literal goddess of life and would just heal.
      I see many ways for peace. I actually see from how the Tyranids threat is rising, that all factions will soon need to unite as one to fight them from lore I heard in videos on UA-cam. Apparently Hive Fleet Leviathan has been discovered to be a mere scout fleet and larger hive fleets have begun appearing all a crossed the galaxy and even the warp. The warp fleet is scariest because they are immune to psychic and demonic powers making them perfect demon hunters. I dunno about chaos, but Eldar, Necrons, Tau, Orks, and Imperium may need to form a temporary alliance in order to stop them. Sounds as if the Necrons already recognized the threat of the Tyranids as they are frantically reviving tomb worlds to bolster the chances of the survival of the galaxy as they need life to sustain themselves and it the tyranids kill them all they die too.
      Orks are already fighting them too. There were these two a human commissar and thus Ork that fought each other for fun and sport cause they respect each other as “ Good enemies “ and the human was decimated by the Tyranids invading a planet they were fighting on and the Ork swore vengeance on the Tyranids for robbing him of his ideal enemy and began a large war against them himself.
      Tau always want to ally with everyone so you know they need no convincing.
      Eldari are divided, but given they have allied with us before they most certainly will again.
      There’s even a super sister blessed by the Emporer himself as “ His chosen Sword in the Darkness “ she contains the souls of her entire chapter within her bolstering her own powers and abilities as well. That happened because slanesh tried to devour them all at once and in a final act of defiance they somehow willed it and it was so. She beat slanesh back and the Imperium believed her to be a “ Corrupted “ sister and chased her out. The inquisition actually hunts for her. But she still endeavors to fight for humanity regardless and the will of Emperor. To which she heard his voice once while she prayed to him for strength and guidance his booming voice that felt like sandpaper blaring all their souls said “ Do you truly wish to serve me? And she answered back yes! I live to serve you and humanity to which it said “ Then you shall be my blade in the darkness. “ and from that day her sword burns bright with holy fires of the emporer’s blessing and her armor glows with holy light of his protection. She also entered the warp to escape the inquisition and attempt to form alliances with the Eldari for mankind. She has been away from the imperium for so long she didn’t know Guilliman or Lion both returned. She got an audience with Evraine whom told her she herself revived Guilliman to which she was glad and grateful. She told her of her task from the Emporer himself “ to prepare the imperium for a coming darkness and asked her if she would ally herself with humanity again when we need them to which she said “ I will be there when the time comes “
      Those all tell me they’re setting up a final stand of an alliance of multiple factions against the Tyranids

  • @celsetialarchives5909
    @celsetialarchives5909 4 місяці тому

    That would be something
    The khan and some of his sons charging out a webway pirtal into a battlefield
    Imagine if guiliman and lion was there and eldrad was jus like
    "Hey bobby G watch this *opens portal*"

  • @DarkApostleNoek
    @DarkApostleNoek 4 місяці тому

    It's as you put if it help the Aeldari they will help. They may try to trick/test Jaghatai to see if he will not turn against them just because they are Xenos, as he is quite wild.

  • @TheSickjits
    @TheSickjits 4 місяці тому +3

    The Khan returning would be sick AFFFFFFFF
    He's one of the most underrated primarchs, especially regarding combat ability.
    Only 3 primarch's have defeated a demon primarch.. Sanguinius, Lion, and Khan. The Khan coming back would be a huge shift in the war. I would love to see him body big snake Fairygrim.

    • @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it
      @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it 4 місяці тому +1

      It is said somewhere in the lore that the Lion and Jaghatai had a friendship, or at least a cordial brotherly relationship and mutual respect. I would love to see an actual scene with them.
      They would probably go for a hunt.

  • @octavius32a64
    @octavius32a64 4 місяці тому

    I could see it as part of an agreement with vect to get the khan out of Com. Because he has been causing them issues

  • @j.k.prufrock5605
    @j.k.prufrock5605 Місяць тому

    I think the khan’s a guest of the laughing god. Cegorach has had an interest in the khan since birth that’s why he switched his pod with fulgrim’s. My head canon is he’s trying to get the khan to get the last cronesword from slaanesh’s lair in return for allowing the khan to leave the webway. No one knows the webway like the laughing god and he isn’t getting out without the laughing god’s say so. The khan is one of few who pull off a stunt like stealing from slaanesh. Besides whoever steals that sword is going to need to be able to run very very fast. Plus with slaanesh involved we could also get that fulgrim v khan duel we’ve been owed since Scars.

  • @Semperiratus
    @Semperiratus 13 днів тому

    y'all keep assuming jaghatai is still within the webway. he is not. he went INTO it, yes. but he was just nipping over to hang out with the Kult ov Speed. he's currently on the planet mannin, trying to teach the orks how to run the TT.

  • @nathanstruble2177
    @nathanstruble2177 4 місяці тому

    Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if Vect already knew and has been doing much the same for all this time. It could be revealed that the Webway has been popping leaks everywhere and Vect has just been funnelling them towards the Khan for thousands of years, making him stronger and angrier.

  • @tumbahantoine2517
    @tumbahantoine2517 4 місяці тому

    I just imagine the khan, obese chilling with eldrad gave up on speed for the ultra slow life.

  • @mykelengieza7057
    @mykelengieza7057 4 місяці тому

    Hopes so..Jag is the best Primarch...he needs to start teaching non-believers a thing or tree...

  • @tontrocque
    @tontrocque 4 місяці тому

    What about Vect? He would have a say on anything that big happening in the web way.

  • @Serbinderbintine
    @Serbinderbintine 4 місяці тому

    All sounds too cool for GW to do

  • @bobbypaul8293
    @bobbypaul8293 4 місяці тому

    I think he's gonna show up at the web way portal on Terra with the whole of the Drukhari armies snapping at his butt.

  • @helio1055
    @helio1055 4 місяці тому +1

    god I love Warhammer, this lore is so fucking good!!!!

  • @thijshagenbeek6554
    @thijshagenbeek6554 3 місяці тому

    Jaghathai will come back to his Ordu as he allways has been. On his own accord and on his own time.
    For the Khagan! And the Emperor!

  • @bk9699
    @bk9699 4 місяці тому

    perhaps a certain webway-hopping inquisitor will stumble upon the khan and brought him back

  • @dennisbendixen7138
    @dennisbendixen7138 4 місяці тому

    I would think it would be hillarius thats its actually Abbadon that by mistake frees him. Like WTF another one. I still want s video how Abbadon would react when there are 4-5 Loyal Returned and who would give him nightmares or be of least concern and when will he have to confront one.

  • @89334726
    @89334726 4 місяці тому

    Well Khan doesn't really shake the cage that much so why not?
    The only issue is to make bikes great again on the tabletop.

    • @jameson1239
      @jameson1239 4 місяці тому

      Khan is one of 3 primarchs to beat a demon primarch 1-1

  • @marn06
    @marn06 3 місяці тому

    Trade 1 primarch for assistance ?
    The khan would need forces, on his own he's of relatively minor impact

  • @Scythwolf
    @Scythwolf 3 місяці тому

    But sending him back would aid the Aeldari, right? I mean... 2 out of 3 retunred primarchs then have a good connection to the Aeldari. Out there he is way more useful.

  • @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it
    @WhiteIkiryo-yt2it 4 місяці тому

    Wait, if Jaghatai has been in the Dark City in the arenas...does this mean he might end up with some sympathy for Angron?
    I doubt Angron will ever get redemption but he might get the true death he longed for.

  • @bugleboop
    @bugleboop 4 місяці тому

    Wonder if slanesh wanted jaghatai as he is bound to kill him and nothing would bring slanesh more pleasure than corrupting the one destined to kill him. It was only during the scouring that fulgrim got switched wonder if slanesh knows about the swapping or still assumes that fulgrim is the one he believes was the one to kill slanesh?

  • @jonathanluusuaniemi6322
    @jonathanluusuaniemi6322 4 місяці тому

    How many years are we talking? For more release

  • @yesman866
    @yesman866 3 місяці тому

    He’s not stuck in there with them. They’re stuck in there with him.

  • @nathanpatrick7878
    @nathanpatrick7878 4 місяці тому

    Don't know how many people have said this BUT...Xenos Primarch. Drucharii captured Jagatai and Homonculus Covens tortured him until they broke him and turned into a superslave/thrall. Make the other primarchs want to save/end him from his suffering!!!

  • @trajanfidelis1532
    @trajanfidelis1532 4 місяці тому +2

    I'd like it even more if the Khan received a vision or word of Bobby G's return and the Khan deciding it's getting boring in the Webway is trying to find a way out. (preferably close to Chogoris)

  • @ArmsandArmor
    @ArmsandArmor 2 місяці тому

    he probably killed the eldar he was chasing, and wasnt captured at least right away. if anyone could quickly find him it would be magnus. this could even be a path to redemption for magnus.

  • @NDGRT-hv6yp
    @NDGRT-hv6yp 4 місяці тому

    Ah Just what we Need
    Another big Eldar event being obscured by an MCU Hero coming back in the universe

  • @Lowlyking2001
    @Lowlyking2001 4 місяці тому

    I'm not sure that the Gladiatoral pits could hold the Great Khan. Not exactly an easy primarch to reason with, one of the best (or worst, depending on which end of the sharp side you're on) Combatants on the galaxy.

  • @bloodtyrantkorr4076
    @bloodtyrantkorr4076 4 місяці тому

    I wonder if he will gain any new abilities from being in there so long