THE EMPEROR AND RUSS! HIS MOST TRUSTED SON?
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I believe his faith in Russ at first may have been due to his canine like traits, by the time of the heresy I believe his faith in him was entirely emotional in nature, a bond of love. The most trusted is the lion, it is not in his nature to betray and his aloofness limits how much his brothers can manipulate him. Russ couldn’t kill Horus because he loved him. You can trust that the lion would not have hesitated.
I agree all but the lion being more loyal although I don’t question the lions loyalty I just question ur opinion that Russ’s love for his brother calls into question his loyalty. There’s evidence the emporer would want redemption for the traitors if he could so Russ wanting the same just means he’s more like his father than the lion not less loyal.
@@faultydiscord8832 I didn't say he was less loyal. I said he couldn't be trusted to go all out against Horus. That's not disloyalty, it's human sentimentality. Both men were unshakably loyal to the emperor. But you can trust the lion to get the job done.
I would tend to agree, I've been Wolves guy since the first time I saw the models in a shop 20 years ago, and as much as I hate to admit it, I do agree that the Lion probably would have been able to deal the killing blow Russ hesitated in making, whether or not the Lion would have been able to make it to having the chance is another conversation >:)
I also agree with FD on that Russ hesitated because he saw a small part of his brother still and like the Emperor didn't want to outright kill someone who could be brought back.
@@Liethen yeah but you see both the emporer and malcador did trust Russ to do this also the spear wasn’t given to kill Horus it was to open his eyes so if Horus could be saved he could be reached russ was the only one who could do this for all horus’s mocking he respected Russ. The emporer didn’t want Horus dead even after angel boy was felled it was only seeing Horus kill some one so mercilessly that stood no chance against him that the emperor finally decided to destroy him.
You make a good point about the Lion. You could make similar comparisons to other Primarchs on having absolute loyalty. Ferris and Dorn come to mind. The reason I think the Emperor choose Russ was that he imparted some genetic traits in him that specifically cultivated traits of loyalty. In other words.. dog genes! lol
The whole time Alpharius sits in a back room asking uncle Malcador if he can go out to play!
LoL Malky really made a protegee out of him or Omegnon...
Little did we know, he was there the whole time in secret, watching, waiting.
the lack of vitamin D made him turn!
I see Rus as the primal, human heart of the emperor. In him is the emperor at his beginning as a warlord and conqueror, watching over a handful of humans and acting as guardian over the rest. And just like Rus he enjoyed it.
We could also gather that the emperor is over 30,000 years old and already has the measure of the type of man Russ is. He’s known men like him and knows they would die before dishonoring themselves by turning traitor.
Another possible reason why they bonded so well. Could be that Russ reminds him of his youth. How the people were back when the Emperor was a child. A reminder of friends and family long since gone.
I'd say it's either The Lion or Corax. They've had quite powerful interactions with Big E. Also I vauhgly remember Big E and Malcador discussing a Primarch who has already been tested and won't fall, I interpreted it as the Lion as he grew up around Chaos and it had no effect on him.
Yeah in that conversation Malcador is wondering if the Lion will turn due to his secretive nature.
But Big E immediately goes “No way, he is loyal and we don’t have to worry about him”.
Honestly, I think this lends credibility to the theory that the Primarch’s all have “god souls” in them which were put into bodies. The way the Emperor is behaving, he’s not acting as if he found his “executioner”. He’s acting like someone who found a long-lost friend, someone he knew from the distant past. Maybe the god soul of Leman Russ is a being the Emperor had encountered before and gotten along well with, so when he meets Russ the Emperor is delighted not just because he recognizes which soul is in the body, but because, despite the fact that he took this beings soul and put it into a new body, this being changed very little from what they were like in their previous existence. It’s kind of how you act when you run into old war buddies you haven’t seen in 20 years, and suddenly you’re 19 all over again in Fort Bragg.
There is something to that.
In one of the Heresy stories it describes the area the Emps and Malcs planned the Primarchs. An archway with 20 ancient sigils.
A wolfs head, an angel, a snake and other more esoteric symbols.
These, and the other character design choices for the Primarchs are deeply rooted in myth and theology, like magnus and his Egyptian theme of Ra/Horus and his symbolic eye.
We know how the warp works, with it giving power to echoes of belief and emotion and some concepts are eternally present in human (and some alien) belief and folklore.
It's like the Emperor pulled some of the focus points for those out of the warp and bound them in flesh, not exactly a full god concept like life and death, but minor aspects like the savagery power of the wolf, the insidious nature of the serpent, the power of the eye and knowledge, etc.
If the chaos gods are built around major concepts like change, life, desire etc, then the primarchs are build around minor concepts, but concepts with enough universal symbolism and belief behind them to give them a deep well of warp power to pull from.
Avatars of minor gods or concepts, if you will.
@@rankcolour8780 That sounds plausible. Also why there clones don't seem to carry the same power they do as they didn't have the emperor binding it to them. I imagine if Horus' clone had survived the more people realised he was back the more power he may have gained over time but could never achieve what the original Horus had innately even if they became more powerful.
This is something I can get behind
Correct, Fenrir was the best doggo I've ever had, so I gave him a human'ish body to have some fun in.
When he finally finishes fetching the piece of the tree of life, I threw into The Eye, I'll give his snoot a good boop
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I think that's pretty much it.
Speaking of power, be interesting to see if the rift empowers untainted Primarchs like the Emperor.
Gman (The power of the herd) or (all in together) is a bad case study for this as his powers are less visible although it might account for him being able to deal with the current Imperium.
Others like Russ (savagery of the beast), Khan (speed & aggression) and Vulcan ( iron strength of the forge) whose aspects are more combat based may become more visibly charges...like Corax (bird of prey) did after spending all that time in the warp, closer to his "source".
If GW wanted to they can return loyalist Primarchs with more access to the power of their warp aspect, evening the odds vs their corrupted brothers who are basically at max aspect power but ruined due to how they got there.
"Only one of you had the mettle to resist the whispers of the gods at the start. He was told." -Malcador
"Who the Emperor told is not important. Even now it is better that you do not know." -also Malcador
If I had to wager I'd say the Lion was told.
I'd say sanguinius
I’d +1 the Lion being the one who was told. The way he reacted (or didn’t) to encountering Samus, the Tuchulcha Engine and the 0 tolerance he had for Nemiel contradicting him WRT breaking the edict of Nikea once demons showed up to the party made it feel like he knew exactly what was going on and what these things were. I never felt that was the case for any of the other primarchs when reading their encounters with warp born stuff.
Where are these from?
@@stevepickford3004 The book "The Lost and the Damned"
@@mpoll1016 thanks. I've somehow managed to miss that one
Honestly, like many things between them, both the Lion and Wolf are both implacable against chaos. Frankly, while it may not look it at every point, the Noble Savage and Savage Noble in the Wolf and the Lion have a kinship that cannot really be doubted. The Executioner and Exterminator are both equally trusted, and it is equally absolute.
And i want a team up of both Lion & wolfking against Angron and his 12 greater daemon retinue.
The eating contest must have genuinely amused the Emperor and the Emperor has little enough amusement in his long and busy life.
just the way the Emperor says "He will Not" makes me think the Emperor knew that eventually some of his sons would.
The 6th legion was almost purpose built to the role of personifying the Emperor’s Sanction. The Emperor would know on sight if Russ had been tainted. Once that concern was dismissed it’d be easy to understand that Russ would be loyal to the end. The canis helix pretty much guarantees proof against corruption.
Also, the elation at the eating contest probably reminded the Emperor of ancient human myth cycles.
I'm curious about how the canis helix prevents corruption, can you elaborate please?
The Emperor is single most powerful psyker in the galaxy. As the foremost expert on all things chaos, it should be eminently obvious to him - of all people - if _any_ of the Primarchs were corrupted.
the Wolf may have been the Executioner but the Lion was the Exterminator
the one thing that i cant stop hearing in my head now is "in Russ, we trust"
It has been said that the Lion was the most trusted. The fact that the Lion and Russ are in competition for the title is more than a little ironic.
Finally it’s Russ week!!! Bout Allfathers time!!! 100% Russ is the most trusted son! Malcador never even brings up Russ maybe going Rogue like he does the Lion! The emperor not only respects Russ but truly cares for him. He gave Russ, not any other primarch the emperors spear, the twin to Valdors own weapon. This shows No one else is trusted more than RUSS with the exception of Valdor because he knows Russ will always be loyal to him even above the imperium and always do what he believes is the best course of action, which we see in the emperor allowing Russ to go after Horus and not stopping him. Russ is always trusted to have the emperors back no matter what!!
Russ is not allfather emperor is the allfather.
Also he trusts the lion more . The emperor would let lion do his thing most of the time , the lion had the best gear of all the legions and emperor even let the lion have a collection of men of iron. The lion even knew of chaos before russ and his father explained most of it to the lion.
and malcador got a tongue lashing for that by emps too... Lion is the most trusted even over russ
For the list of the most trusted? Ferrus Manus. The Emperor took him along when spending time with Vulkan. Ferrus probably helped with the golden throne, and Vulkan was used for that too.
I don't think it was a coincidence that Corax, Vulkan, and Ferrus campaigned together. I also think the Emperor favored all 3 if we knew he trusted 2 of them
I’m pretty sure the Lion is the Emperor’s most trusted son. I can’t remember the source but there was a conversation with Malcador and the Emperor at the beginning of the heresy and they were discussing who was loyal and who wasn’t and when Malcador questioned the Lion the Emperor said flat out he would be loyal. Given how the Lion is especially resistant and had a early hatred of demons since his time on Caliban, I would think that as well.
Honestly, like many things between them, both the Lion and Wolf are both implacable against chaos. Frankly, while it may not look it at every point, the Noble Savage and Savage Noble in the Wolf and the Lion have a kinship that cannot really be doubted. The Executioner and Exterminator are both equally trusted, and it is equally absolute.
Guilliman, vulkan, dorn ,lion and russ were incorruptible in my opinion.
@@licensed_beheader Vulcan gave into his rage when he immolated that Eldar child. Guilliman is under constant manipulation by chaos by trying to slip him up. In Gathering Storm 3 when he’s fighting Skarbrand he was pushed further and further into letting his growing anger take control of him, but managed to keep it together. The Lion lied to Guilliman and bombed cities on Maccrage to hunt down Konrad. They can be resistant to temptation and have immense mental fortitude, but nothing short of a blank, Custodian, and arguably a Grey Knight are incorruptible.
@@goliath1179 lol the lion’s actions weren’t corrupt they were pragmatic. A cold pragmatism that the Emperor displayed on many an occasion.
@@goliath1179 Everyone and everything is mutable by chaos but corruption in context to what I said is willingly submitting to chaos . All primarchs had their flaws but some of them were outright incorruptible. A good baseline is the emperor, he was arguably the most flawed in his family and yet in no way is he corruptible by chaos . Having flaws is in no way a guarantee of corruption. Chaos obviously preys on this flaws and only the weak willed, the foolish or the unloyal fall. One could easily know which primarchs were gonna fall because they let their flaws define them eg angron was always gonna become a bitch of khorne fulgrim and his obsession with perfection put him in slaaneshes radar but in the end he still had a choice and he despaired and gave in to slaanesh. Even without chaos guys like angron , Perty, Morty and curze were always gonna become a problem with how they let their flaws fester and define them.
I think that Emps trusted his sons to be "themselves". Each was designed to achieve certain functions. All were supposed to be generals, but all were supposed to be different types of general.
Alpharius was supposed to be a spy master. Guilliman was supposed to be a logistical & legal specialist (an empire builder). Sanguinius was supposed to be a figure of inspiration. The Nighthaunter was supposed to be a figure of terror. Russ was supposed to be a champion and executioner.
These specialisms and functions were not equally complex. Alpharius, Horus & Guilliman's specialisms made them more risky prospects as generals.
For example, if only one son turned traitor, it might have taken Emps a year to defeat Russ, a decade to defeat Gulliman and a century to defeat Alpharius.
The nature of each son's loyalty was also different. For Russ, it was primarily a personal loyalty. He swore to Emps and he would keep that oath. For Guilliman, it was also loyalty to the imperium project. Yes, he had a personal loyalty, but it was also an ideological loyalty (the Imperial truth). For Alpharius/Omegon, there was (probably) a small element of personal loyalty, but the imperium was a tool rather than an end. He was willing to sacrifice the Imperium and mankind, to defeat the Warp gods.
The point is that it was easy to trust Russ because (as magnificent as he was), his motivation, his worldview and his functions were all simple and straightforward - relative to some of his brothers.
Most trusted son.
Was the one he brought back to Terra when he knew the heresy was close at hand.
They have some of the most experience in space marine vs space marine combat.
*YEEES*
I mean didnt the Big E know there was 0 chance of Dorn turning as well? And in truth, there was a 0 chance Ferris would turn as well. We know this, he was tested.
i would not say zero, dorn himself said that he is afraid to know why horrus turned traitor beceaus the reason could be good enough for dorn to turn to
0 chances to turn traitor,were only with the Lion from what i remember,Big E trusts the Lion like nobody else
@@theDuke0001 But chaos doesnt even like dorn. Hes painful to be around, they wouldnt want him.
I think the Warmaster would always be doomed to be the traitor, even if Dorn were appointed
@@patleaf2432 Dorn might have been afraid that there was a small chance Horus had turned traitor for genuinely good reasons that had nothing to do with chaos.
Whoever is the most trusted, guilliman is the last loyal son. Emps said so himself
That the emp knows of. Even some things he probably can't see e.g lion on the rock valdor in the webway corax in the warp hunting lorgar
@@richamaru5217 the thing is the 'missing in action' loyal primarchs really dont have a good excuse for going missing for ~10k years when the imperium at large needed them more than ever. a few hundred years id understand in the aftermath fighting in some little known about crusade miles from nowhere, but ten thousand years? while the imperium regresses like it has? thats some sick leave!
@@allways28 lol yeah I do agree with you there. But the warp and webway can change time as you know. Plus the lion is in a coma. Gw could make a good way of them all returning if they wanted to lol I am worried if the lion does return that they will mess the story up with him and gulliman though. So I think sometimes its best they are left. But I would LOVE clone fulgrim to come back and kick ass with Bobby g lol
@@richamaru5217 The Lion got "The Emperor Treatment". Fought the person dearest to him ( who was empowered by chaos) and was incapacitated. Like father like son.
Last loyal not most loyal and last loyal still active.
When one of the Wolves turns to a Wolfen, they still some how obey a Wolf Lord. I think it's built into their DNA and Helix that they will follow their alpha. Perhaps when the Emperor meets Leman he saw within him and perhaps even sensed his pheromones that there was already those bonds of the pack with the Emperor being the Alpha and Leman would follow him. I a new Vampire or werewolf being loyal to their maker. I think Leman sensed it when he challenged the Emperor.
Leman also said that they were each created for a specific purpose and he seemed to have accepted his happily. He understood the Primarchs purposes better than most.
I think I have either missed some books or need to re-read some but I see a lot of flaws in the Lion and would not place him amongst the most loyal.
Wolves were the first animals to befriend humanity. They've bonded themselves so completely to us they've allowed us to shape them into Chihuahuas. So I think a fragment of that loyalty is built into his very dna. Always a friend to mankind. A protector. A guard/attack woof.
Honestly, id say flip a coin over whether The Lion or Russ is the most trusted and the most loyal.
Russ has probably killed two primarchs for the Emperor, virtually killed Magnus, and took on chaos amped Horus.
The Lion was willing to take on and kill Guilliman and maybe even Sanguinius if he suspected that they had turned from the Emperor when they created the Imperium Secundus.
I dont get it at all. If Russ took out 2 primarchs and whipped up on Mags, why did he hesitate on Horus? Horus truly deserved dying, and Russ hesitated? This is something that has always bothered me.
@@kccustodes2618 I don’t know, perhaps Russ saw that Horus had a tiny chance of salvation, of rejecting chaos, which he did, just far too late.
The Lion was only after Guilliman. Guilliman busting out Sanguinius and saying that Hawk-Boy would be sitting on the throne and not him is how he won the Lion over to his plan. Even the Lion's grumpy ass loved Sanguinius.
@@seandlax9 maybe, but if he thought they had both turned heretic, do you really think that he wouldn’t have taken them on, don’t forget he had a huge part of his legion in dropods waiting for the command to launch and it was only the Night Stalker appearing that ironically both calmed things down and made them far worse.
Russ was always intended to be Emp's fursona
Great video! Please make them longer!
All his favoured sons never tried to prove anything. They simply existed as themselves. Not to say they didn't want to make him proud but they never needed his constant praise. All the ones that seemed to need his approval or in Angrons case help ended up falling to chaos because they thought they could get what they couldn't from him. More to that point, all of the loyalist primarchs were more human. Russ laughed and joked in mundane human manners as opposed to in competition with a brother. Did he have grudges yes but he was wholly himself already. Guileman found love with an Eldar but never wavered so he was supervised. But he too was always true to himself and not assumed to have failed. The lion again was completely himself. Same with the Khan. So I guess my long drawn out point is that he trusted all of his sons that were their own people that didn't need him to be complete but still followed him because they believed in him and his goal.
After reading the Horus Heresy books you realize the REAL antagonist in the books is Erebus. He was the leading orchestrator for the chaos powers imo.
Just finished watching a video of yours then this appeared, nice 1.
Great stuff
I'd say Russ and the emperor's relationship is a kin to a father and son. But hear me out... A son that as now a man. Close and almost like bros.
Plus I think Russ was a favorite because he has some of the most human of traits compared to most of not all of the others
Russ is that friend that you meet in college. In a frat. You count on, no matter how many years ago by, has your back in a bar fight.
I'm not going to lie about; I'm looking forward to the Guiliman story of meeting The Emperor. I've always been an RG fan. And just as equally I want to see the Constantin Valdor episode. Just what made him so dang important?!
Russ is a good pupper. The goodest of good bois. Thats why big E loves him so much.
Russ probably reminded the Emperor of the ancient humans, when times are simpler.
If Russ was his executioner than Lion was his exterminator. If Russ had stayed on Terra the Emperor would still be alive. And. If. He was going to go after Horus. He should have killed him when he had the chance. He hesitated. He hesitated because he loved his brother and thought he could be redeemed, but he hesitated. He couldn't do it. And now the Emperor is on life support and the Imperium is in the state it is
I'd agree that it would be better for the Lion to have gone after Horus. Russ is the executioner, and he would have killed Horus. But he was still loyal to his brothers, and that caused the slight moment of hesitation. The Lion is lotal to Emps and the Imperium. If that means killing his brothers, then so be it.
Russ wounding Horus caused Horus to slip into a coma and was only saved by his head psyker sacrificing himself. They also caused a massive delay in Horus hitting terra giving dorn much needed time to organise defences.
@@faultydiscord8832 at the cost of an entire other legion and primarch . That is atleast a forth of his resources.
Yep lion would have drove that spear all in. Not becoz he hated horus , but to put an end to this madness before it reaches terra.
The Emperor had the gift of foresight. It wasn't perfect, but he had it. And while a number of other variables might change from potential future to potential future, Russ apparently does not betray the Emperor in any of them.
All of the Primarchs were programmed to be loyal, but in some that loyalty clearly conflicts with their other imperatives. Three Primarchs were simply incapable of turning: Dorn, Vulkan, and Russ. The wall-builder, the engine builder, and the executioner.
And Lion. Kyros Fateweaver tries to convert him, and he finds that there is literally nothing he can use it to temp him.
@@TheLostPrimarch2nd Lion is meant to hunt and kill Chaos, that would involve Psykers as well. Too bad Lion got dished in by his father figure.
I see a lot of people citing things about The Lion, I just don't know. He is one of the few Primarchs I haven't read much about.
@@Perserra then read what people say, lion is incorruptible, he spent he entire life on a chaos infested planet and ddint turn, he is the only one the emperor trusted enough to give weaposn from the dark age and actually rebuked malcador for even considering the lion traitor
@@zackaryluquette8378 People were also rebuked for even suggesting Horus had gone rogue, that's not unique. And what I have read of The Lion, when he interacts with other Primarchs, he's an insufferable dick to his own loyal brothers. Maybe he is incorruptible, I admit I don't know enough, but he makes a poor impression from the outside.
Off topic and probably very late to the party but I just realized that the contest between Russ and the Emperor is based on Norse mythology (surprise!) with Utgarda-Loki challenging Thor and Loki in a very unfair contest.
The Emperor both cares about his mission and what future he doomed his sons to. He's not heartless seeing as how he CARES about the salvation of humanity. He loved his sons but knew from the start and came to terms with what would happen to his sons. Plus he knows that they will all return after he finally opens up about his grand plan I'm guessing. It's probably a reason they would all agree and understand why he did what he did. I think the Emperor plans to destroy himself after humanity's salvation as well.
I always enjoy your telling all about the lore in the pages of the black library bringing to light the legions then chapters !
Thank you for helping me as I'm bed bound body damaged by a driver late for work so please do more to get us all through our own problem of nurgle rot and angrons crazed brain and poison words and war (covid and Ukraine Putins war) escape in the place where theres only war might seem crazed but fiction really helps .
Tbf, Russ is in fact the 3rd found primarch.
I’d even say Alpharius is a wild card for the most trusted son, given his…special orders and relationship with the emperor that even Constantin didn’t even know existed.
It could be that loyalty was part of the reason for canine DNA admixture but I think it is more likely that the aspect of the emperor's own DNA gifted to Rus is related to honor, fidelity, and unbreakable loyalty or another aspect that made their bonding closely more successful than some of the more aloof and diplomatic minded primachs for whom being duplicitous isn't a bug but a feature.
The Emperor trusts Russ indeed because he KNOWS that he is absolutely trustworthy. Russ is a good guy...in the best possible sense of the word. That cannot be said for all Primarchs and I think that the Emperor knows that too. Because he made them that way.
That would be a scene, Rus running through the halls of the palace. Definitely an emotional moment
Trust is hard to quantity, but let's try.
Russ was the Emperors deterrence, a scary loyal monster, that the Emperor could use as a very public thread. Stay in line or I unleash this attack dog!
Russ was trusted to kill utterly whoever he was ordered to, and to stop when the job was done.
But is that a unique level of trust?
Dorn was trusted with being the master of the Emperors defence, the defender of the Palace and commander of all loyal armies after Horus fell.
Horus was trusted to lead and win the Crusade. Given command over all other Primarchs. Trusted with more power than any other person in the Galaxy.
The Lion was trusted with the weapons of the Dark Age of Technology, trusted to be the silent cold butcher of any enemy. Russ was a public deterrence, the Lion an unspoken, uncompromising eliminator.
Guilleman was trusted to keep and build a massive interstellar powerbase and semi-empire.
These 5 primarchs have each been given special roles and powers beyond the others, and we must as such think them the Emperors most trusted military vassals alongside Valdor.
The Emperor trusted Corax with the Raptor project which I believe will be revealed to be the Primaris project in its first itteration.
@@TheTrueMalice Damm, yes I forget that one. I was focused on his "distribution of trust" before the Heresy, but you are absolutely right!
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen another sad one was Fulgrim. He trusted Fulgrim and his sons so much he let them bear his name. Honestly the Emperor had one major flaw in that he trusted his sons with drops in the ocean he held.
Loyalty.... My little pup is the embodiment of loyalty.
Here is my theory on why he is called the emperors executioner.
Now hear me out. So Russ was found on an ice world. They don’t have lots of fruit so Russ always wanted to try a banana. So they come across a tropical world with huge fruit. Russ starts going to town. Even getting everyone on the bridge of the emperor’s ship to eating some fruit. Well dropped a banana peal on the stairs leading up to the command pulpit of the ship. One of the unnamed primarchs come running to show his father a new bolter he made. As everyone turns to see why he is running, he slips on the peal and shoots himself. In the silence after that the emperor calmly walks out of the room. Not looking at anyone. Also as he walks out everyone is hiding the fruit that Russ has been handing out like candy. Even Russ himself had a banana half eaten hanging from his mouth when the accident happened. Since that day food has not been allowed onto the bridge of any imperial ship.
Russ is called the executioner not as a badge of honor but mockingly.
It is becoming more and more apparent to me that perhaps the perception of "Executioner" has been misunderstood. Here me out for a moment. Most if not all have (for a long time if not from the very introduction to we consumers) people have taken the term in the context of the "grimdark". The one who lowers the proverbial axe upon the enemies of mankind. For a moment, alter your definition to a different kind of "Executioner", One who carries out the the wishes/orders of the Emperor. In this context, and bolstered by the Emperor's words of reaction to Horus' inference that Russ may turn, I believe this is a more fitting definition of the title. With the veil of the double entendre masking both definitions, it is my contention that this moniker was intentional and deliberate. Justifying the Emperors faith and resolve in Leman's unwavering fealty to do his fathers bidding to carry out whatever he was tasked to do. Yes, Russ and his sons are all too eager to lower the axe upon those who oppose them...however, Leman Russ with stalwart resolve passed the same on to his sons. This should have been evident to the Eclesiarchy when they questioned it in a moment of paranoid delusion an untrusting passions overflowing. It should never be questioned again by anyone within the Imperium that the Space Wolves will always be loyal...until the Wolftime and into oblivion
Man's best friend.
Russ and Lion are two sides of the same coin, so many, many similarities except a few obvious differences, I feel they're the most trusted to the emp after Horus, pre-heresy.
One of my favorite part of the HH is when a couple of RGs execute SWs that are watching Corax on behalf of Malcador
I think russ was one of the most favoured sons . However most trusted is more questionable , my personal opinion is the lion as his legion was entrusted with weapons and tech noone else was , including banned items.
The lion being given the wepons is not about trust it’s about personality. Russ is a scapula the lion is napalm.
Asking Russ to kill million billions on a planet that could be reasoned if there were ways to save the innocent wouldn’t sit right with Russ. Where as the lion wouldn’t give a shit 😂
Honestly, like many things between them, both the Lion and Wolf are both implacable against chaos. Frankly, while it may not look it at every point, the Noble Savage and Savage Noble in the Wolf and the Lion have a kinship that cannot really be doubted.
The Executioner and Exterminator are both equally trusted, and it is equally absolute even if their roles may differ. Russ is the force used to make examples and terminate the rot within the Imperium, the Lion was used to wipe out all traces of enemy, to make it no trace can be left to bring doubt. It's actually for this reason that I personally believed the two missing primarchs were taken out by these two. The purged by Leman, and the forgotten by the Lion.
@@faultydiscord8832 Lion would give a shit , you are confusing the lion with angron and konrad they were the psychos . Also I wouldn't call russ a scalpel,the razing of prospero and that time his sons killed 100 dark angels showed they were impetuos even jaghatai who was arguably the most observant primarch said so , alpharius and corax were the scalpel. Leman was more of a hammer. When malcador asked emperor if lion may submit to chaos emperor just said no with trusting casualness.
@@faultydiscord8832 It's absolutely about trust. Some of the shit in the DAs vault is fuckin' bonkers. In Lion's primarch book the DAs are busting out bolter rounds that literally delete your soul and chained Men of Iron. I'll repeat that. The Lion casually whipped out a Man of Iron, those little things that almost ended humanity at their peak, to kill something. It's also implied that this is the tamer shit that they have locked up in there. These technologies being given to them by Big E himself. You don't be giving stuff like that to anybody you don't implicitly and unconditionally trust.
@@seandlax9 100% agree. So the lion is only trust worthy when he wants to be. The Big E knowing the lion will not turn and giving the DA powerful shit doesn't mean the lion is the most honest man in the imperiun, no it just means he is one that wont be turned.
Russ and constantine share similar bonds of trust with the emperor
Join me, Leman, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son!
I could never ever see Vulkan switch sides
I would say dorn or the lion honestly
the emperor told russ once that he was a good boy and that did the trick.
I think only the core ones russ, gulliman, sanginus and dorn were always fated to be loyal
Russ, Guilliman, Vulkan, Corax, Dorn, Ferrus and Sanguinius. The most loyal of the Primarchs. Especially Guilliman and Russ.
Russ,more than any,was the most human in every aspect
Canis Helix breeds loyalty...
2:57, correction, Russ is the 2nd publicly found son, being the third to be found. Alpharius was found first on Terra before Russ and Horus.
Citation: Alpharius: Head of the Hydra by Mike Brookes
The emperor knows Russ is a goodboy.
The dog was one step up from a traitor.
My Birthday on the 27th July and my wife has got my Leman Russ model from Forge World(not supposed to know about that😉) so I will be wearing my Leman Russ shirt all day. Fenrys Hjolda!
Emps knew about the Canis helix. This dog aill be loyal until the end time.
The emperor and Russ were so close because let's just say a Dog is man's best friend lol
Hey Rho, any possibility of a Belisarius Cawl week?
Lion El'Johnson is the most trusted as they have access to Dark Age of Technology weaponry that no other Legion has access to
I'd say Russ is close behind, and Robute Gulliman not far behind them too
Angron without the Nails, would have been high up as that was what the Warhounds were meant to be. Loyal. The Nails changed that
Russ is also closley linked to vulkan and the lion. They were all heart of humanity vulkan was the defensive protector and shelter and russ was the courage of facing the monster face to face to protect the loved ones behind him. The lion was the cool calulating killer he would make the decision to kill a bunch of innocents to save the greater ammount.. so actually russ, vulkan and the lion are all diffrent sides of the same thing. vulkan the protector, Russ the courage, Lion the pragmatist. So it depended on what face the of the imperium the emperor needed to be shown or use would determine which son he used.
I remember reading a fan theory a while back that suggested that the Primarchs were all created as, or gifted, an aspect of the Emperor's personality. I can't recall where I read this. But the more I learn about the proclivities and traits of the Primarchs, the more this particular theory rings true. Russ may well have been the aspect of big E's loyalty. Likewise, Vulkan; the aspect of his compassion, Horus; his charisma...and so on.
"Son, I need you to kill your brother and his legion."
"No worries, Dad. Be home for dinner."
Russ and his sons were ordered to destroy Mangus, and Russ followed this order, but he could not see that maybe Mangus was loyal and trying to save the Emperor. I love Russ and the relationship he had with the Big E but most trusted son maybe not as Russ did not question this order.
If you have a quote on quote savage who is honor bound with their entire essence and being of their taken persona to be what their word is and Russ give his word to emperor it would be basic human psychology I would think but I know 40k anything I love the book club I love the trap boy I love the big b and all the rest as long as I can stand the voice it's okay but that's my two cents
Might sound like a bit of "Oh it's just semantics!", but to me the question of "Did the emperor trust Russ, or dir he make him in a way, that he would never fall." is the real key here.
If he did (not only would I want to know, why only him and a few others, but), he did not trust him at all, because if someone has the baseline capability to betray me, and he or she does not use any chance, I can trust that person, because it chose the way. If that person does not have the capability at all, it is just performing, as intended. Like, no one would be surprised, that the toy-train did not hit the toy-horse next to the rails, because everyone knew, it can not change its path.
Damn dude, that's pretty deep stuff there.
Best primarch ever!
This video should be called The Emperor and his Teamkiller. His most ignorant son?
*Hydra Dominatus*
Dont forget the emperor gave Corax the secret to make marines. Russ, Corax, Dorn top trusted me thinks.
The Lion also counts here. Big E trusted the 1st Legion with Dark Age tech (no other legion was trusted that much).
@@alexyoblick nah, he hated the Lion, that's why he gave his legion all the 'gets hot' weapons, hoping they'll melt themselves..... Lol. Just kidding. Good point.
I think Russ was the most trusted to do what he was made to. Enforce the Emperor's Will. When the Emperor needed his orders followed and will enforced, he sends Russ.
Overall though, I don't think there is any argument of the Lion and the First being most trusted overall. The amount of Dark Age of Technology arms the Lion and the First were entrusted with is staggering. Not to mention the Lion was trusted with the Rangdan conflict.
Hawk boy is still his favorite though
Tolerated annoyance?!
The Emperor LITERALLY gave Vulkan the button to blow up Earth.
And the secret to producing weapons that can true kill eternals and demons.
@@CloningIsTooGoodForSheep maybe he has been all this time forging something awesome.
Likely a wolf pack thing too
Perturabo was the most trusted, followed by either the lion or russ, then dorn, then probably Alpharius Omegon because of the knowledge he was entrusted with. Idk about the others.
lion is absolutly number 1
Wolves are the only Legion in the Horus Heresy Black Books with the rank of 'Fidelitas Sine Recursu' which is some pseudo-Latin for "Faithful Without Retreat".
Tbf, could just be a dog joke the BL writers slipped in there. Loyal to the Emperor, his dogs etc.,
Do we just ignore the fact Alpharius was found first?
We know that The Lion is his most trusted son....thats why Russ was the poster boy and The Lion was his final sanction....no threat....no warning.....just destruction from the first,
is there a book where the emperor meet guilliman for the first time
lion , russ, dorn, vulkan
Russ!
I would say Russ wasn't created as an executioner. I think his greatest attribute was to be loyalty and the fact that he became executioner was in response to the fact that the Emperor knew his loyalty would be unquestionable.
I always thought that russ was the greatest of the primarch, because he was the most human (yes even over hug man). Whereas other more human primarchs like vulkan are shown to be kind and seemingly perfect. Russ gets angry, makes mistakes, and the like. Yeah
Genetics made him the executioner.
Im really curious as to why you bring up Vulkan as one of the most trusted
I said it earlier, Russ has canine DNA because dogs are loyal.
Alpharius is the emperor's most trusted son. (According to Alpharius that is)
Ahem.
_Third_ found son....
😉
Clearly the Emp trusts Corvus, Lion , and Vulcan the most, trusts them to be who they are. However, he believes in Sanguinius, Dorn and Russ to DO what they are made to do without fail.
Guilliman?
I really like that line of thought
@@onepunchdoggo He had at least some faith in Guilliman because he never thought he went traitor and it’s revealed he essentially knew he was making secondus beyond the ruin storm in a conversation with Malcador. Guilliman was doing what he was made to do build empires.
@@mcnuggets2825 Some faith? Without Gman the Imperium and maybe ever humanity would be done for, I think he had the most faith in him.
@@onepunchdoggo Big E. was absolutely sure that nothing could invade Guilliman´s character...because he already had that massive pole up his arse.
I think he was most trusted because he was who he was - simply Russ. He had no aspirations beyond that, unlike Horus.
Or the lion.
Well horus was greed and ambition personified
...vulkan lives?...
What it is, is he made russ with dog DNA and dog is man's best friend. He knows no matter what Russ will be loyal to a fault.
The only other primarch as loyal as russ is the lion and rogal .
His "most trusted", or simply *"the easiest for him to control"?* 🤔