THE INQUISITION GOES TOO FAR! WHY GUILLIMAN WILL ACT!
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2022
- Hi all Rho here! Today we discuss the Imperial Inquisition and how they have finally gone too far! Why Lord Commander Roboute Guilliman may take decisive action...
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The Emperor praise you Wolf.
Hey I appreciate you putting out this morning about it. Shows you care you don't have to do it but you do it so thank you.
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The prospect of seeing the Space Wolves and thr Black Templars teaming up in putting the Inquisition to the sword would be glorious
Add in some Flesh Tearers for seasoning!
weaponized autism optimized!
@@OljeiKhan Doubtful as it would be hypocritical of a chapter that regularly kills allies and bathes in the blood of their homeworlds civilians to call the Inquisition heretical..
@@Alastair_ what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. "Heresy" means abandoning the Emperor in 40k terms. Not your kill record of unaugmenteds.
@@Alastair_ you talking about wolves, templars or tearers here. There all known for this sort of thing
I would highly recommend you examine the Eisenhorn, Ravenor and Bequin novels.
I do think that most authors that write about the inquisition are just incapable of writing a morally grey character.
Dan Abnet however is a master of this.
Ya this was evil stupid.
Agree, even when Eisenhorn and Ravenor become enemies it isn't a "good vs evil" fight, it is a "goodish vs okish" fight...lol
The bequin books Make beta a Mary Sue and Eishenhorn and Ravenor into idiots. I liked the books but I feel Dan or GW made it into a female empower warhammer 4 everyone book. It’s odd it took 10 years to get the sequel and at this time in media entertainment.
@@docvaliant721 naw, you're wrong.
@@docvaliant721 starting them soon had to wait to get magos in before continueing.
I like the idea of G-man pulling a role reversal of sorts, and putting the Chamber Militants in charge. The Deathwatch, and especially the Grey Knights have more experience than dealing with xenos and chaos than a great many of the inquisitors, who seem to me like they are egotistical and thus easily corrupted
To be Arrogant you need to know alot and be good at what you do... but when your Foe greatest weapon is knowing them... Aint looking so hot
Yes! Space Marines are not necessarily meant to be purely soldiers, at least not at first they weren't, but anyway there should be astartes naturally gifted with the political skills needed to run these kinds of organizations.
@@totalnerd5674 Space marines lifespan alone would already put them in a better spot as leader. They don't get old and senile like human that means their experience can be passed down further the line without being distorted like human who have to rely on archives.
@@minhducnguyen9276 They shouldn't be leaders, HUMANITY FIRST. I understand the benefit BUT it must never be understated that chapters turned traitor, that entire legions turned traitor that 9 PRIMARCHS turned on the IMPERIUM OF MAN. The inquisition I would argue is the only thing stopping that and even with all it's flaws I still feel they should have the power to kill primarchs.
@@tarektechmarine8209 The inquisistion should have the power to kill primarchs indeed. But that's enough for the check and balance. Primarchs and their space marines are stronger than human but they are always less numerous than human and they can't exist without humans as they are literally made from humans. Which makes them incapable of living without a human population. The emperor was wrong to think the primarchs and their space marines are just tool where they should be an extension of humanity itself and thus should be integrated into the politics of the Imperium just like what Gulliman had done with the realm Ultramar. If the Mechanicus with their own religion and Agenda are allowed to have a seat on the highlords council then at least the space marines collectively should have their own representative there too.
I think the real question is how the hell was that Ork so smart. Usually their concept of counting goes 1, 2, 3, many, lots. Knowing up to 10 is beyond genius level for them.
pretty simple actually: bigger the waaagh, the smarter the orks get. It's why during the war with the beast there were well spoken ork diplomats. Then there's also the fact that blood axe orks are just smarter, which is why other orks hate them.
Maybe they were writing in Red cause red makes them go faster.
Ok just imagine. Lion returns and the Inquisition rushes towards him hoping to create opposition to Guilliman playing on the fact that he has too much power and so on. Like IIRC it was the Inquisition call to make more Dark Angels to balance the Ultramarines. And Lion goes like "lol. lmao." and purges the hell out of them...
...I can dream ok ;_;
It's a marvelous dream. One I would love for games workshop to do something along the lines of.
The Lion will probably play with it and use the opportunity to gather all the troublemakers in one place. Then lock the doors while playing The Rains of Castamere.
Lmao I can imagine big G looking at that whole shite show while laughing his ass of XD
Finally, change I can believe in!
I feel like the Lion would be more likely to purge the state church and leave the Inquisition to the Wolf. either way, I am down
I can't help but remember Guilliman's absolute rage at Matthieu's Religious zeal during the Plague Wars novels.
I can only imagine the absolute planet cracking anger at hearing the Inquisition overstepping bounds time over time for little to no gain.
due watch him let loose the templars on the inquisiton
I'd argue the assassination for pure spite is the worst of it. At least the one bartering with Orks does so with the intention of learning about the warboss. At least the one aligning with the Tau running genestealer experiments on humans does so hoping to find a way to control and/or destroy all the cults sprouting across the galaxy.
But to kill an Astarted because he hurt your fee fees is just unforgivable.
That warboss if alive will eventually show up.
You dont need to seek him since he isnt a human eldar or tau - he is a freakin orc so he`ll make his pressense known if he could be considered a treath.
Trading 10 worlds and arming a waagh for a possible fake info is just plain stupid but we know them crazy inquisitors dont give a fuck about humans.
Pure chaos agents in secret imo.
yes, but also I don't think that's all that's going on. it's really weird the more you look into it. To get so many officio assassinorum agents on it, he would need some serious pull. It's not common for an inquisitor to have even a single assassin regularly in the retinue, yet alone the authority to call in several agents (as there is a seperate ordos specifically in charge of sifting through the requests for assassins).
But, if he had this kind of pull why would he be so worried about the lions going to file a complaint? Ultimately that's all they were doing. They were going to go to the high lords and complain that this inquisitor was a shitter, something that probably wouldn't have gone anywhere anyway. If this really was just and ego trip, why does the assassinorum and other inquisitors keep backing them to the point of having a hit carried out on another chapter's ship in front of a bunch of chapter masters? I think the lions unknowingly stumbled onto something bigger the an inquisitor with an ego. My personal theory, is that this complaint threatened to draw attention to a member of a not-so sanctioned inquisitorial cabal.
They also wiped oit the "Somethin" Lions chapter (Cant remember the name) for the crime of reporting an inquisitor
They killed hundred of the Astartes, out of spite
@@adrienwatson2179 I believe it’s the Celestial lions, but I could be wrong on that.
Also the months of shame were absolutely ridiculous, and were one of the few times I was on the wolves side of any internal conflict.
Imagine having the SPACE WOLVES, the loyalist leeory Jenkins, be the reasonable ones. That’s just ridiculous
Guiliman talk with Cato Sicarious
Guiliman: Sicarious, I have mission for you of the utter importance.
Sicarious: I, Cato Sicarious am truly honored fot your trust my Lord, and I, Cato Sicarious will do anything you command.
Guiliman: Right, tell me, Sicarious, you heard about recent mischieves of the Inqusition?
Sicarious: Indeed my lord, and even I, Cato Sicarious find such actions both disgracefull and distastefull.
Guiliman nod his head and point on something in the corner.
Sicarious: Is that a box my lord?
Guiliman: You will take this box, go to a Prospero with your company, and then capture my Brother Magnus The Red ans put him there and bring him to me.
Sicarious: I, Cato Sicarious beg you pardon my lord, but what have it to do with Inqusition?
Guiliman: You will see about that.
Like father like son.
@@blademaker9843 hehehehehehehehehehe take that inquisitor karamazoff
WEEEEEE^^
The inquisition has never actually had to deal with a primarch, they are about the learn first hand why they weren’t to be fucked with. Only thing they are lucky about is it is G man and not the Lion or Russ.
Russ would be beyond furious when he learns of the Months of Shame.
The Lion would take one look, cull them down so hard Perty would be proud and then keep a leash on them tight enough to make their neck bleed
They have once, when Vulkan resurfaced during the War of the Beast, they REALLY lucked out that he was more concerned with stopping the orks and vanished at Ullinor. But then, if HE found out what the Inquisition did, his fury would make even Russ be like "bro, chill"
@@OmniGSage your right I totally forgot about that
@@OmniGSage wait weren't they forcing him to seize control of the imperium.
Lion would just annihilate them, Russ would make them suffer.
I don't even wanna think about what Dorn would do to them...
My wife was born and brought up in Bermondsey, South London, hence she has a very strong accent. It's immensely amusing imagining her as a rampaging Ork when she's angry 😅
War zone Octarius should have been brought to Guilliman's attention by now as well. Considering that Primaris chapters have been deployed to that zero sum campaign, the Lord Commander must be formulating some response soon.
I'm quite sure, not even Vulkan will forgive inquisitors after learning what kinda horrific stuffs they did. I wonder what Sanguinius would've done if he was alive and had the role of the emperor until emperor heals up?! 🤨
I don't have a source, but I've heard that when Sanguinius gets angry, he's on a whole other level. I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered his entire gene progeny to go to war with the inquisition
@@HenchmenNo616 i second that.
In the words of Chaplain Baldemort of the Blood Angels:
"If Sanguinius were alive, he'd be FU*KING FUMING!"
Well there is TTS
@@HenchmenNo616 In lore, Sanguinius is indeed the most forgiving Primarch - but to whatever he cannot forgive, his wrath and fury is the worst force in the universe. Were he to return to life and learn of these events he would make a deep and effective speech on how the Inquisition has broken thje most sacred duties and oaths, and how they would be no better than Horus. That coming from the very one who marched onto his own horrendous death as a sacrifice to give his father adn the Imperium a chance.... half the Inquisition would literally have to fight the rest of all humanity after that, knowing full well there is nothing to gain except delaying their own death. You anger the Angel to a point even he won't forgive you (remember: he was willing to forgive *Konrad Curze at his worst* ) your days are numbered.
Something people forget, is that the Inquisition isn't a faction - It's an occupation, akin to a Rogue Trader. This means that, whilst yes, Inquisitors have done shameful, petty, murderous things, Inquisitors have also saved entire systems and put out the countless fires constantly sprouting up within civilian sectors.
Inquisitors don't just answer to the Emperor, they also answer to other Inquisitors - The more outlandish and brazen an Inquisitor, the more likely they'll get a bolt round to the skull for heresy by another Inquisitor. It's not a perfect system by any means, but their flexibility and unquestionable dictates means that they can do what Space Marines, Guardsmen, and PDF forces can't - They can route out the enemy within. If Guilliman were to disband the Inquisition, and were it to actually happen (Much easier said than done) the Imperium would go full Age Of Strife in about fifty years as Chaos Cults, Genestealers and Rogue Psykers are left free to do whatever they please, safe in the knowledge that there's nothing watching them from the shadows.
Personally, I think the derpy Inquisition is more down to authors just kinda being a bit sloppy, using them as plot devices, forgetting that Inquisitors only become Inquisitors by first being selected as acolytes, surviving a LOT of missions as expendable agents, ranking up slowly and then achieving their ultimate rank after some thorough peer-reviewing.
Exactly, on all points, some inquisitors might be made examples of though.
I was thinking the same thing, despite everything they have done, they're also still the main reason why the imperium hasn't died. Without them, everything is out of control and supplies and demands will be chaotic. If Guilliman thinks he can manage the whole Imperium without having to prepare for the worst and can't take extreme actions, then he'll make the Imperium decay by then.
@@vothbetilia4862 Guilliman would do a far better job than the inquisition are you lot forgetting he is the best administrator in the galaxy 🤣
@James ... you're right. Get Guilliman to throw 87,000 more IRS-agents at the problem.
I think I'd prefer the chapter librarians replacing Inquisitors, or at least doing their own intel
I wished the loyalist chapters secretly band together to make a counter-Deathwatch to take down the Inquisition piece by piece. The Chapter Master could be someone named Napoleonius...
That would be awesome. Also a great plot for a fanfic story.
So does that mean the Deathwatch will disband completely or the Deathwatch stays but the Chamber Militant/Watch Masters are in charge of the DW now?
Something for the lion to do when he comes back
1 tiny problem, first the inquisition was made to stop 'heretics' this would include 9 primarchs OR MORE including the ones alive as well as astartes. It is only a fanfic and if people can't see that then, yeah I can only say 40k fans are idiots.
@@tarektechmarine8209 it's a setting with guns and massive manufacturing and transport on a scale never realized and people still use swords. Speaking a s a40k fan, yes were were already a bit slow to begin with.
Just wait until Gilman hears about the war of the Bedard and the Inquisition turning one of the most loyalist of chapters the astral claws into chaos Marines
I watched Arch's series of war of baddab and i was on team Luft Huron all the way until he went full chaos i am still mad abaut it i am 100% sure that Giliman would make Huron a gevernor of sector thats how much he was loyal and capable leader....
By Bedard you mean Badab?
@@FaeridaeCrawford yes I just forgot how to spell the word
The astral claws got a bad deal in that war.
@@Silver_Crow2295 no, no he wouldn't.
A sequel to this episode would be: What would Guilleman’s loyalist brothers do about the Inquisition if they are in his place?
ork: "10 unsuspecting worlds of the imperium ta loot"
Inquisitor: "Sure, here's 10 worlds owned by the imperium that are barren due to exterminatus being executed upon them in the past 500 years."
ork: "..."
Inquisitor: "What? you didnt specify how many people had to be on these planets, let alone the loot there would be. They're all imperial worlds, just empty ones."
Dreams , you know the inquisitor will give away even agri worlds cuz thats how little they care for humanity.
All they care is their current personal agenda and nothing else.
That... would be an epic blueball moment for all the grimderpness xD
I'm thinking what Guiliman should do is start talking with some inquisitors himself, specifically the legendary ones to get a sense of the type of people they are, and then get in touch with some of the more rationing inquisitors, before he moves against the inquisition, he would have a lot more credit to his actions if he had inquisitors himself backing him.
This is why I think the next found son has to be Alpharius, we know now he was raised primarily by Malcador instead of the Emperor and that same Malcador who created the Inquisition. It would make perfect sense that after the Great Crusade, one of Alpharius's principle duties would have been to act as a watch dog for this new organization; and now he seems like the perfect canidate to clean up this decrepit inquisition. On top of that the Inquisition's is Guilliamm's biggest minor problem that he has to figure out between tyranid hive fleets, sorting Imperium Nihilus, and what ever silliness the galaxy throws at him on daily basis. Having one of his other brothers deal with this issue would let him refocus on more important matters.
Finally I would love to see an in-depth scene of Gulliman coming face to face with the brother he supposedly killed....
Yes, Alpharius/Omegon for supreme grand inquisitor.
Wait , didnt Dorn kill one of them?
@@cncmne7404 Yes he killed Alpharius but he forgot about Alpharius.
Alpharius is dead, long live Omegon
“The inquisition has finally gone too far”
Me, remembering all the shit they’ve done before, “wow, they must be about to really fuck up then…”
I love the idea of a inquisition vs inquisition civil war
"Inquisitor Greyfax, execute order 66"
Would love for the Alpha Legion to finally reveal that they are loyal with Omegon/Alpharius revealing himself with the approval of Big E and taking the inquisition place instead
I want that to happen because I still believe Omegon is loyal with a portion of his former legion and have been in hiding. I still don't think Omegon was actually killed by Guilliman and that a few chapters in the imperium have been loyalist members of the old Alpha Legion. Now I don't think there are many loyalist chapters of them anyways, maybe 7 at most. The thing is 7 full chapters of loyalist Alpha Legionaries would be more than enough to take the place of the Inquisition.
It's more likely that they are the Inquisition.
I think it would be a cool plot reveal but I doubt he would reveal himself to others in power in cannon.
The Lion will likely be far less tolerant of the Inquisitions games. I'd love to see the full might of the First bring the proverbial hammer down upon their scheming heads.
The lion is perfect for punishment
As a black Templar fan the inquisition must be purged.
Ultramarines 🤝 Black Templars
Inquisition is the big cringe
@@GrumbleGrimbus once those worlds are known expect the Salamanders, Space Wolves, Black Templars and various other chapters go to their defense.
@@fediken83 and then when they found out who was responsible expect civil war between space marines and the inquisition
Black Templars love the smurfs....in your dreams :D
Not justifying them, but Inquisitor Falks was a rouge inquisitor, which there are a lot of, properly at least half of them. Her mentor was also none other than Kryptman, the man who inflected the greatest self-genocide since the Horus Heresy.
I think Guilliman would put the Inquisitor under trial, in a tribunal formed mainly by chapter masters and maybe custodes, plus representatives from the Council of the High Lords of Terra.
- spoilers below -
In the Prophet of the Waaagh, imo the real revelation is that Gork and Mork are actively grooming a warboss and a grot to get the orks to evolve back into Krorks. At least that's my takeaway in a nutshell.
With that perspective and the ending of the book in mind, the Inquisitor could argue that even twenty planets are nothing compared to the damage that Orks could do to the Imperium if they were more intelligent and organized.
Then again, I also think that the Imperium should stand for humanity.
Better idea: Feign negotiations to gain as much information as possible, and stab them in the back before they stab you in the back. Because there is no way in the warp that they are just going to hand over their Uber-Powerful Grot for just 10 worlds.
(A NIght Lords ship captain sees this Wolf Lord Rho episode, raises eyes, makes heading for an Imperial agricultural world)
"Cough - (picks up vox and growls evilly to planetary defense vox operators). WE HAVE COME FOR YOUR POPCORN. (To crew) Believe me boys, y'all gonna enjoy it when I show you this video. And Girlie Robotman called US barbaric back when we brought the Emperor's law."
Sounds- lovely devilish.
Guilliman just needs the Custodes to be aligned with his orders. Good luck if the Inquisition wants to go against the voice of the Emperor.
I honestly don't think they will, they've seen what primarchs had become....
@@tarektechmarine8209 They are already aligned to him now? He kicked the custodes in the butt and got them to actually leave terra and do something productive.
I love the idea that the inquisitor says theyll arm the orks, so they just give them a shit tonne of boxes, claim theyre guns and because orks they work
I'm more curious about the Ork that apparently didn't want a fight as he cited unprepared planets. But, yea, the Inquisition has been long against those they claim to defend. They bomb places out of convenience or because someone looked at them weird.
Yeah kinda seems like weird writing honestly. If you swapped the Orks for let’s say Drukari that would make a lot more sense.
Could be a freeboota or a deathskull, both of them prefer lootin to a good scrap.
Sidenote: That Ghaz'kul book is one of the best I've read in the last year. DEFINITELY worth if you want greater insight into the 40k universe. I'm a space marine fan but damn I wanted an Ork army after that.
I think it'd be great to have an entire book about this, with Guilliman gathering together key parts of the Inquisition, maybe even the entire Inquisition, or at least, all the highest ranking Inquisitors, like all the Lord Inquisitors and maybe every inquisitor at the head of an Ordo, at Terra, with various Chapter representatives Present, going over the evidence, going over political intrigue involved, see the reactions of various inquisitors, those that stand by Guilliman, those that oppose and those that potentially try to resist.
It would be great to see Inquisitors make the "rogue inquisitor" argument time and time again only for Guilliman to point out that the tendancy for inquisitors to seemingly go rogue is itself proof of a need for re-organisation.
It could easily make an excellent book with so many potentially big players, Space Marines, High Lords, potentially even Custodies, and the Inquisition.
Hell, the Custodes could potentially be used as the secutity for the whole thing, making sure no assasination attempts disrupt the proceedings, so that no witnesses are assasinated by the order of a particularly reckless inquisitor.
Then again, Black Library is very good at letting amazingly interesting ideas go to waste.
Effectively making him emperor? Purging any opposition but when done by anyone else would be seen as a power grab, as if horus the most beloved son had not turned on his own father but the entirety of humanity ALSO Believing he was right to do so.
@@tarektechmarine8209 I'm. It saying Guilliman should try to organise assassinations, I was saying it'd be interesting to see the various things that could happen and maybe even see a reckless Inquisitor try to have a witness assassinated and end up giving Guilliman even more proof against the inquisition, naturally I think the Inquisitor would fail to arrange it as the assassination would either refuse or the Custodes would make sure.
So I'm not saying Guilliman should do any purging, I'm just saying it'd be cool to basically see a book putting the inquisition on some kind of trial with Guilliman moving to make reformations for the Inquisition.
@@LCliffhanger they have more than one way to kill a primarch, but in any case the custodes would probably let it happen, just not on terra or in public. The golden boys saw the primarchs fall, the primarchs even living are no gods and should never be treated as better than human, the inquisition having to deal with the aftermath of the heresy and then take responsibility that it can never happen again. That even under Papa smurfs power grab the imperium will eventually fail harder than it was previously. A primarch is no god.
@@tarektechmarine8209 Guilliman is essentially emperor at this point. Especially (SPOILER) him practically becoming a god after god blight.
WLR, funny you should mention about how far the Inquisition has gone too far? But remember, the reason for the Inquisition and the Grey Knights? Was to keep those tainted by the ruinous powers of Chaos in check. Plus the Inquisition was originally founded by none other that the Sigillite himself, Malcador.
Remember Horus whom was assigned as Warmaster by the Emperor himself, later turned against the Imperium with almost half of the Space Marine legions by Chaos during the Horus Heresy. Thus this is why the Inquisition had greater authority after the Heresy. Now yes they might have gone too far, and yes it is the Ecclesiarchy that holds authority over the Inquisition. But it was Malcador that originally created them.
The best course of action? Bring back Malcador to whoop the Inquisition back into shape, and purge the Ecclesiarchy to hell. In fire and brimstone. Then the Inquisition will be the agency it should be.
Well considering that when Guilliman awoke, literally the first thing the Inquisition did was start planning to assassinate him because he might take them to task, I have no doubt they'd be happy to start a civil war against him if he tried to leash them. While there are examples of Inquisitors that are just doing their jobs to protect the Imperium, the end of the Emporer's Gift novel shows what the majority of them are like. There's a huge crowd of Inquisitors in a room and when they're told about the truce their immediate thoughts are "hah truce, yeah right. We're just gonna wait till we're out of axe range to retaliate."
Kyril Sinderman used Exterminatus on several worlds just because the Grey Knights got deployed. That was too extreme and around the 32nd Millenium. Especially when you think "Why didn't they just Exterminatus first w/o using Grey Knights?"
Because why have derp when you can have grimdark derp?!
Guilliman just needs to subtly 'remind' them of the Hexarchy situation and the resultant internal power struggles will make sure the problem sorts itself out.
Memelord Fadix xD
I think everyone forgets that 9 primarchs turned traitor, and that the inquisition was made to protect the imperium even if they are half mental.
Could it lead to a civil war in the Inquisition? Depending on your point of view the Inquisition has been in a constant state of civil war since near its very inception. Moriana, lady seer of Abaddon was one of the founding members after all...
The problem being that the inquisition I would argue is still far superior to a primarch, 9 of which turned traitor at one point...
@@tarektechmarine8209 yeah because no Inquisitors have ever turned Traitor or anything...like one of the Inquisitions founding members....who now serves Abaddon....
Gulliman is a son of the Emperor.
He has spoken to the Emperor.
The inquisition only pretend to talk to the Emperor.
Gulliman is the Emperor's son.
Gulliman created this whole mess by breaking the Legions apart.
He created the status quo.
The only reason he prevails is plot amour
@@ravanpee1325 you cant really be that delusional
@@genadity He started this whole mess by creating the Codex Astartes and bring the High Lords into power. So of course he is responsible for this shit
@@ravanpee1325 no he didnt lol. Malcador formed and appointed the first high lords. Ofc Guilliman is gonna break the legions after the herecy that almost kill everyone. My man what are you smoking
@@ravanpee1325 the reason he broke the legions apart was because he saw how destructive, they were in the thousands as per the Horus heresy and he wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen again, but he got put into statis for 10,000 years (give or take) and woke up to find out that his codex in long run has not only weakened the imperium but cause more problems than he could have predicted and he even wondered if what he did was right at all with the codex, but he's back now and sees whats going on and is trying to fix it one step at a time even.
I could picture many high lords, officials, officers, and anyone else who’s chain got yanked by the inquisition. Getting a big grin on their faces the day the news comes down, that the inquisition is getting their comeuppance
Cheers Wolf Lord. Look forward to your posts everyday. Thanks for all the sweet lore
The most simple thing might be for guilliman to reform the structure, ie make the case that the Lords Inquisitors actually need to act as that, with each taking responsibility for a branch the inquisition or area of the empire, and a high lord acting as head & sitting on the council of the high lords... ie instead of deleting or destroying the inquisition, bringing them in in order to better enable them to manage the rogue elements which seem to pop up sometimes... all very proper you know, even allow the inquisition to pick those who shall serve in those roles... the inquisition at current time has pretty much a pancake structure, add some formal layers - it will restrict it's flexibility to an extent, but it would also make it far more difficult for "wars with chapters" or "sacrifice of planets" to take place as they'd need to justify it up the chain of command...
No. Total and complete annihilation. No remorse. No mercy. No reform. Just destruction and dissolution. Only that.
They're going to need more than Ork snipers to take down Guilliman.
Inquisition: Hold my [REDACTED]
Guilliman: Sicarius, Agemann, Calgar. Get this bastards.
Day by day, we’re getting closer to something akin to the TTS timeline where the inquisition goes fuckin rogue and gets fucked up by the big E. Or well…in this case it’ll be Gulliman and The Lion.
"The inquisition goes too far"
AKA Tuesday
The Inquisition could have listed 10 Imperial Worlds that had been tainted by chaos or something else or rebelled or something. Making the crime bit less severe.
Two questions, the Celestial Lion's are a chapter of Dorn.
If Dorn returns can you imagine what he will do to the inquisition??
Secondly, who will the Sisters of Battle side with?
Gulliman, the son of the Emperor or the inquisition? who have equipped the Sisters and who the Sisters support through their service to the Ordo Hereticus
Depends who the Custodes side with. If They side with Guilliman then I doubt the Sisters will stand in his way.
@@BM-wf9uf I think for the most part the Custodes would stay out of the fight and that the sister's of battle will follow what ever way the ecclesiarchy goes. That being said I think that it would end up with something like a 90/10 split (at the absolute best) throughout the entire Imperium in favor of Guilliman.
The one thing you have to remember is that while the Grey Knights are affiliated with the Inquisition they really are not loyal to it as their loyalty lies directly to the Emperor. The same goes with the Deathwatch since they would end up having to fight their own brothers if they sided with the Inquisition which I highly doubt would happen. The Mechanicus would 100% nope out of any conflict with stragglers finding ways on both sides. The guard would follow Guilliman for the vast majority as he is the Lord Commander. Lastly would be the Inquisition itself since there are probably many members who would follow Guilliman because he is the son of the Emperor and would end up following his command.
Now if any other loyalist primarchs were to return you know there would be many that would try to use this to overthrow Guilliman. The problem is I don't think a single one would even think about it. Russ would just kill them and then slaughter the Inquisition as it is. Dorn would hear them out, look at them, and then finally just kill the leaders. Vulkan would have none of it and route out these people and hug them to death. Jagatai would probably just kill them and say nothing more of it. Ferrus has no head and will not come back. Sanguinius is dead nothing more to be said. Corvis won't give two shits and continue to hund down Lorgar like he has been doing for the past 10,000 years. The Lion would play the long game and make the conspirator think he was on their side all the while letting g Guilliman know of his plans (this time around). Finally when the leaders, their supporters, and those who were secretly aligned to them were all gathered in places ready to strike the Lion would strike first killing all of them while making their plans known to everyone else who would try to turn the Brothers against eachother.
Would love for the space marine to make an example of the inquisition culling them to the point of critical numbers showing the true ladder of the imperium.
Edit: I don't want to hear anything from inquisition lap dogs
Except that the imperium functions as a feudal system. The space marines don't have the right to hunt down all inquisition members, nor would that be a good idea. Culling a branch is one thing but the tree is off limits. The high lords of Terra + Roboute could try to disband the inquisition but it would take hundreds of years to be completely dissolved without huge problems.
Heresy.
You are clearly an agent of chaos and will be visited by an inquisitor soon. Very soon. May HE have mercy upon your soul.
What makes you think the Astartes are above the Inquisition? It seems to me the Space Wolves lost more than the Inquisition last time they had a scrap, and most chapters do much much worse than the wolves when they displease the Inquisition.
@@wanderhillen2435 Not only that, but the Astartes themselves, are no longer human. They were never meant to be representatives of societies or among the humans; nor were they ever meant to govern anything other than military actions.
ADB really hates the inqusition and has a hard-on for the Space Wolves. Some writers simply cannot write decent inquisitors.
Lord, I'm sure Guilliman acting out against His holy inquisition won't make suspicions of his loyalty any worse 🤔
Gee whiz that sure would suck
Actually, that can unite him many allies, that despises Inqusition
I'm also sure that him being able to use the Emperor's powers will leave no doubts on who would be in the right here.
Age of Apostasy 2: Imperial Boogaloo
@@macshadow1150 sure, but Horus had allies too. it's the custodes and Inquisition at large that would cast suspicion.
I’m more impressed an Ork knows what barter means or ally or deal
Do it gulliman do the funny kill the inqusition
Time for the Allfathers executioners, Wolf Lord Rho. Vanguard Strike Cruiser allready left the Fang...
Roboute:..Okay, I’ve read enough. Malcador’s pet project has gone way off the rails.
Roboute is one of the pet projects aka the primarch projekt himself
@@ravanpee1325 yup and again, people who think he's god...
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Can't wait for the " he knew he fuck up" moment for the inquisition
"It was at this moment that he knew.. he fucked up"
Guilliman: Custodian, I wish for you to contact the heads of the Adepta Sororitas. All of them.
Custodian: Yes, My Lord. What is it you wish to relate?
Guilliman: I havea list of Inquisitors and Inquisitor Lords brought before me.
Custodian: And the orders to the Sororitas if the Inquisitors do not obey?
Guilluman: Bloody Constraint, Custodian.
Custodian: Yes, My Lord.
The Adeptus Custodes are serving the emperor alone.
I was hoping when the Lion returns, that his great bargaining chip for joining Robute was to be made head of the Inquisition. The Inquisition would be perfect for the Lion. His reputation for secrecy is legendary and he would be able to move in the shadows without having Robute aware of his actions. Seems to me to be a perfect fit.
At the end of the day i believe the inquisition would sacrifice even terra if they believed it was even slightly compromised
As they should.
The problem with the inquisition is that they hold too much autonomous power. Having ions of unchecked authority can absolutely corrupt. If there is any power within the setting that needs purging, the inquisition is indeed top of that list.
Hence why they were made, SO THAT THE OTHER 9 PRIMARCHS THAT TURNED TRAITOR AND THE CURRENT ONE ALIVE ISN'T GOING TO, WHETHER BY WAR OR ASSASSINATION.
Thought: it looks like the Lion is coming back with 10th. Wouldn’t he be a great new leader of the inquisition? Zealous but judicious - just like the measures he took at Macragge.
He has his legion, i think he'll stay with them.
one note on that inquisitor that sold 10 worlds for makari... she was the apprentice of Kryptmann soooo. probably not doesn't have strongest concern for human life. she was taught by example.
I just finished Blood and Fire so this was a great connection to that story!
Given that he already plainly stated to Nurgle himself that he speaks for the Emperor, I don't think he would be in any doubt that he has the right to do this. As for the reaction from the Inquisitors, they should give thorough consideration to the footage (that I'm sure they have) of the exploding heads of the last "untouchable" officials who tried to pull something against Guilliman.
Guilliman aside, imagine the anger of Sanguinius, Vulkan or Dorn? Of Malcador or the Emperor himself?
I know Malcador would furious because this is NOT what he formed the Inquisition for.
I think this Inquisitor should count herself lucky that Guilliman and the Emperor are busy elsewhere, the other Primarchs have not returned yet and Malcador is dead.
I think even Magnus and Perturabo would kill this Inquisitor where she stood.
Sounds like a Tuesday to Radical Inquisitor.
As opposed to open purging or direct reformation, I would see Robute using the Raven Guard to begin a systematic, but quiet, purge of the Inquisition. They would start with the most radical/fanatical inquisitors and work their way back until they find those who are simply doing a hard job, but are loyal and diligent as opposed to insane. After this, reformation could occur.
Eh why Raven Guard? Using Loyalist Alpha Legionaries will be more effective.
How do we know the Inquisitor didn't double cross the Ork? I know that's what I'd do. Either booby trap the weapons or lay an ambush at the first "unprepared" world. Or both.
What you call petty they call necessary. A agent of chaos would twist words such as you have.
When one where to see "the inquisition", and "to far" you know you're in for a ride.
Imo they would all shrug and go “surely 10 worlds unprepared or not would be able to hold off orks, if not, it’s probably just a sign of their own heresy and lack of the emperor’s grace.”
An inquisitor roots out heresy. A good inquisitor finds heresy in everything ;)
The inquisition itself is not the issue. the issue is them operating in that space and with that power to much times unsupervised. It has to much individually operating individuals.
But such is the fate of all those organisations at some point.
The Legions, the old Officio Assassinorum ... the Inquisition? The Adeptus Ministorum?
As long as they keep a balance even by sometimes destroying themselfes, the imperium stays save from itself.
Exactly, The inquisition is self-destructive to a point were they check themselves, primarchs aren't as I think 9 primarchs are evidence enough....
Guilliman is not only the regent of the Imperium he is chapter master of the largest space marine chapter being able to call upon many other chapters of space marines who are direct decendants of the Ultra marines not to mention he can call for aid from practically every first founding space marine chapter and their succesors, he also has access to the militarum and the mechanicus, lets also not forget if the people of the Imperium catch wind of them being sacrificed by the inquisition the inquisitors themselves who land on worlds with legitimate concerns could find themselves being attacked by the Imperial planteray commanders and thier militaries who may suspect they are being scouted out for possible sacrifice.
literally putting a group of custodes to over see the inquisition would solve many problems or even more practical give the over seeing of the inquisition to the grandmaster of the grey knights. Eyes of the Emperor may be the perfect custodes to keep tabs on the inquisition though overall.
I have a feeling Guilleman is gonna snap the Inquisition like a goddamn KitKat, or he's gonna put them on a strict leash. He has the most power in the imperium, being the son of the emperor, and the person that everyone is loyal to, even the custodes as far as I'm aware. I think if he really wanted to he could easily overwhelm the Inquisition. But I think he doesn't exactly have the time to do it. The imperium is spread too thin for that.
Guilliman: This... This isn't mere Heresy. Back in Macragge, we have a word for these actions. We refer to it as ULTRA-HERESY.
Rynns world a fantastic book I couldn’t put it down loved it
Imagine what he would think going over the history of the war of Baddab.
I do think there might be one particularindividual who could bring these matters to Guilliman, or outright act on them in his name - Dante. Remember: Guilliman appointed Dante to de facto lead the Imperium on the other side of the rift. If Dante, who no doubt knows of the Celestial Lions' deeds on Armageddon and the Ork threat, were to learn of the Inquisition's actions, he would not just idly sit back. At the very least he would either via envoy or by personal audience bring the matter to Guilliman. And even Inquisitor Lords would know that Dante is the one Chapter Master whom they cannot just declare a heretic etc and get rid off. Like guilliman, Dante can get vast amounts of forces behind him - forge wqorlds, Astartes chapters, IG regiments, the lot.
My personal bet is specifically the reformation of the Inquisition, where it gets throroughly scrutinized. Those genuinely uncorrupted and striving for the Imperium's benefit would be allowed to remain, and the guilty be trialed and punished accordingly. It would be a long process, but ultimately the one it would all have to lead to. Just as Guilliman has seen he cannot just yeet the Ecclesiarchy, he must know that the Inquisistion as originally formed by malcador himself has a very good reason to exist and in fact must exist. yet the damage has to be mitigated, the self-sabotage stopped.
If Guilliman is smart, he’ll hint to Grimnar on what happened to those ten worlds. And then every single Son of Russ will be unleashed on the inquisition.
I would love for Dan Abnett make a book precisely about this
I’m a horrible person, if only because 10 out of the million worlds of the Imperium is nothing. Yeah, we can’t do it all the time; but light work to get info on someone who can take 100.
People who live today can't even put themselves in their own parents shoes, we're assuming too much when we think they can or even try to bother to do it with 40k.
Malcedor needs to return and have some words with the Lord Inquisitiors.
Malcador is dead. Hes shortsightedness bring disaster.
Yup totally agree wolflord! 100% if nothing else they need reined in. Specifically administrative oversight and approval of inquisitor actions and deployments
Really? The bargain in Ghazghkul is pretty trifling compared to the bargain in The Dark City...
Which one .
Both 🤣
Oy wolf Lord Git. When weez meetin? I got sum words fer ya!! SO LETZ DO DA MEET!
have to keep in mind, the inquisition was founded by Malcaldor and for its members to be "inquisitive" in nature.
It would be amazing if Guilliman tries to rein the Inquisition in and the news about Imperium Secundus is leaked to the wider Imperium by chaos, then at the cusp of full blown civil war Rogal Dorn returns and utters his first ever lie to save the Imperium.
His first lie was at Saturnian
Even more so now that we know the Lion has returned, I can see the Inquisition being taken apart once and for all
Malchador created the Inquisition for a reason and for some of us the Inquisition is the only force that has kept the Imperium together.
Which is a fookin lie. Inquisition didn't do shit to make Imperium together. Some times attacking Loyalist space marines. Is that how inquisition saving the joke of an Empire?. The real saviour of Imperium is Guilliman de-facto Emperor , Lion and commander Dante. These 3 saving the Imperium much more that Inquisition WISH they could be like them.
The central problem with the inquisition: how do you actually reform them? The best way is by minting new inquisitors to hold the old ones accountable. I think we'll see a modest solution: something like an "Ordo Justicarum" - whose role is to ensure that the emperor's law is being applied justly by the inquisitors, and to hold them accountable if it isn't.
There is one for exterminatus call ins. You’d be surprise how decent they are at their jobs, most people who call in exterminatus with no good reason got their status revoked sooner or later by those guys.
@@HaloFTW55 this is what happens when people learn by memes, at least watch a couple vids before acting as if something is cool. It's as if no one actually understands 40k and it's HUMAN faction.
Ultimate power corrupts ultimately...
Or rather, power draws those who are corruptible to it, like moths to a flame, they both get burned.
Maybe the inquisition as a whole or a collection of them try gave have papa smurf illuminated with an assassin.
It'd fail either from plot armour or the temples refusing or go running to papa smurf to dob in, those same said members of the inquisition.
Maybe they try to have some black templars who think papa smurf is up to no good, try to end papa smurfs life.
Id like to see the inquisition use the grey knights again only this time the custodies step in.
I mean yeah that would not happen but that would be an amazing battle.
Most likely a small group of inquisitors not liking how papa smurf is trying toird it over them, try to have xenos or try manipulating chaos into doing their job for them.
They fail and papa smurf knowing they have a purpose despite how messed up they can be, decideds to reorganise the inquisition as a whole.
Though these are just what's running through my head, heh!
Selling out ten imperial worlds is not out of keeping with typical imperial policy. However, the inquisition interfering with astartes chapters is not inherently objectionable in fact it's partially what the inquisition was founded for. The space marines are far too unaccountable as it is.
Honestly, I wish there was more stuff out there shitting on the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy. Would love a book where the Inquisition just absolutely gets their teeth kicked in by loyalist forces both politically and on the battlefield.
This inquisitors is probably compensating for something it must be envy for inquisitors keepman.
I think if the big G were to call for the reneging of the inquisition it would certainly cues the group to fracture inquistors picking weather to fight against G’s new verdict or help him enforce it.
Big power level gap though. The Inquisition going up against a Primarch and leader of a chapter of Primaris Astartes doesn't hold a lot of water. Unless the civil war is limited in scope to only other Inquisitors or they flip the Grey Knights to their cause.
@@mrrodriguezHLP 9 primarchs turned traitor....... If he's trying to get rid of the inquisition EVERY HUMAN SHOULD BE WORRIED.
I don't think the Inquisition would regret their actions so much as they would regret getting caught overstepping the line by a great margin. With great power comes great responsibility and it would seem that with no oversight, a degree of hubris emerges as their hidden corruption. The inquisitor would be eliminated as an offering of restitution but no words of "guarantee" would suffice for the regent. I just don't think he would believe anything the Inquisition gave him as explanation or reasons for justification of those actions. Especially since it isn't the first instance, not to mention a very troubling escalation sacrificing 10 whole unsuspecting worlds. An internal civil war may be brewing and necessary factions of the Inquisition may get caught in the middle like the Deathwatch. An interesting story arc for the lore to be sure
Frater Matthew was right, Guilliman was wrong, the Avenging son will figure it out soon, when he finishes reading the Lectitio Divinitatus.
The very book written by fookin Lorgar who doesn't understand that worshipping the Emperor will cause Mankind's doom. He will turn into Dark King and exterminate everyone in the Galaxy his kind included.
@@Warmaster2001, that's pretty funny.
You are confusing time frames.
Frater Matthew corrected Guilliman's myopia by bailing him out of a lethal beat-down at the hands of a Nurgle-boosted Mortarion.
The "Dark King" bridge was already crossed. The Emperor was convinced to NOT TAKE THAT PATH during the Siege of Terra.
As a result, he adopted the contrary position so much that he has been suffering on the Golden Throne for 10k years to keep it going.
The Emperor could have accepted the mantle, he passed it up.
The crowd funding support of human faith is why the Imperium of Man hasn't fallen yet.
Lorgar had NO IDEA about the Dark King situation. Nobody did. Erebus didn't, Ahriman didn't, Magnus didn't, Lorgar didn't, Horus didn't, nobody did.
Claiming that somehow the Dark King prophesy brought about by the Warp will auto-magically come about by faith ignores all of the lore of the Emperor employing the faith power for the benefit of Mankind.
Is your name really Guilliman?
You don't seem to understand this "faith" thing.