I don't know why people argue over which car is better this which car is better that stfu they are ALL good cars. Subaru's have that signature sound and feel, I like that. Evos have incredible straight line speed and mod potential, some like that. Mazdaspeed, focus st, golf r, they ALL have pros and cons, it's about what YOU wanna spend your money on. I'd take the subaru, and that's my prerogative. if you don't like it don't get a subaru but stfu It's MY money.
Ian Caple Hah I'm glad some people still have sense. Nowadays it seems like people are so preoccupied with "one-upping" each other they forget to appreciate their shared love of cars. People should just stick to what they like. Nobody has the right to put someone down for his $30k investment in his dream car just because it isn't the same dream car as them. It's pathetic is what it is.
well said .. A true car enthusiast likes most cars and doesn't go around bashing on other cars.. unfortunately there are all too many people who go around watch videos of cars then bash on them.. why watch the videos if your just gunna talk crap? Not too many sensible people out there I guess
I have a Speed3 with a mild tune and basic suspension upgrades that I use for Autocross and the occasional track days. I have no problem running with Subarus and Evos in either situation. The right setup and a good driver can make the Speed3 surprisingly quick even around the bends. FWD isnt ideal but I have a had lots of guys in all kinds of cars come up to me and ask about the Speed 3 cause they didnt expect to see it on their tail or pass by them.
Thats pretty close race I love Ms3! I drive a honda and fabricated the same mazdaspeed turbo and now it's a beast!! I think I have a video of it in my channel but it's pretty cool too
I agree. I have a MS3 and I have ran stock/lightly modded STIs and beat them with bolt ons but with the big turbo( not huge GT3076) You will see races like this go both ways. Usually whoever gets out first is gonna stay out
Yeah, I know he'd get you off the line. Just curious if the MS3 could recover quick enough to be a threat. Looks like you're putting down some devent power.
I am a gen 1 owner 09' - The rods are identical between the Gen 1, Gen 2 and MS6 cars. - The wrist pins have thicker walls on the Gen 1 and MS6 cars. I doubt this affects much as I don't see too many people breaking the very stout wrist pins. Other things will go first. - As it has already been mentioned on the mazda forums, the pistons are different for the Gen 2 cars. The Gen 2 piston has been designed to improve combustion and direct the fuel spray upwards and AWAY from the cylinder wall.
Haha! I'm one of them..I bought a 2011 WRX last year. When I first had mine, I saw maybe 1 other in the Burlington area..now I see them everywhere. I'm upgrading next year to a RS4. Better comfort and more power but still has AWD for our shitty weather.
Awesome clip I'm thinking of getting my first turbo 4 cylinder soon but am stuck deciding between the stir, evo, focus st and mps 3, they are all pretty awesome but I'm loving the mps style and interior, seems pretty quick and fun to cruise in too
Just get what suits your style best. Like Dan Chang said, they are all the best in their own categories... " ALL have pros and cons, it's about what YOU wanna spend your money on" :)
I personally prefer Subaru. Best sounding, 50/50 AWD, and the lowest center of gravity or all of them because of the flat 4. But not everyone likes the boxer rumble. The first step is to decide whether you want FWD or AWD. Next decide what type of mods you want and how far you want to take its performance. There are more aftermarket options for Subaru and Mitsu than there are for Ford and Mazda.
I ended up buying an 04 STI im blown away by the storming power delivery and how goes like a scalded cat on carpet around corners, couldn't be any more pleased
tillsy23 Congrats!! Welcome to the Subie club! Make sure you join NASIOC and IWSTI and Scoobymods. I myself have an STi swapped 2004 Forester XT which I got 3 months ago. The first thing I did was get an exhaust for it to hear that awesome rumble. Couldn't be more pleased with it.
Man I'd have to get it from him. Fairly long. He tunes on one of the Mazdaspeed forums. I need to try and get him out again and I could get some. Probably faster now.
I don't know what part of VT you're from, but I've seen far more than 5 just in Burlington. I used to be a fan of EVO's, but after modding my rex, I like it more. It's definitely time to get something else though.
It has a fmic, that's why there's no hood scoop.. guess they didn't want/need it. However, during the in car portion while in the subaru i noticed there aren't any sti door panels (the light blue ones that come standard) furthermore, the gear ratio of the subaru doesn't match that of a 6spd. Clearly a wrx with mods and an sti wing. Very good runs though.
Haha I'm confused, a stock mazdaspeed 3 will do 13s all day. If this is actually tuned up to ~380HP it will be a good deal faster. In any case the first gen of ms3's definitely had a subdued and non-flashy look, I still have trouble telling them apart from a distance.
To be more specific ( #'s from dragtimes ), they seem to run mid to low 14's and some can crack 13's stock ( looks to be dependent upon their 60' ). Either way, that's just not my opinion of pretty quick. Now if it could break 12's stock on stock streets, yea, i'd consider that pretty quick. Not putting this car down in the least though. Anywho, I know nothing of any gen of ms3's. This was honestly my first time seeing one race anything lol. I thought they were slow as hell, hence " sleeper ".
When you are racing from a roll... You use your left foot and gently hold the brake pedal, with the right foot you give the car a little bit of gas. If you do it right you will build boost in your turbo, without going faster. When the race starts, you let off the brakes, floor the gas and it goes. This prevents turbo lag and can be great for getting a jump on people.. If you go to my page and watch my race with the 2002 FireHawk you can see an example...
Holy shit who taught the STI driver how to shift. It's as if he was letting him win, you can hear the turbo barely spooling before he shifts, and shifting too early at that. Smh
mazdaspeed 3 is amazing in a straight like from a rolling start... low drive train loss in fwd and lighter drive train. technically fwd should be the king of rolls or rwd/rear engine
He's probably starting in 3rd instead of 2nd. Since in this car you shift to 3rd at 50-55MPH, he probably figures it just better to start in 3rd. One could start in 2nd, but you'd get wheel spin and have to shift/respool. Unless you flatfoot shift. But anyways, he's probably starting at 3000RPM or so.
I am a ms3 owner but my bro is an sti owner.. Yes he smokes me on drags but when it comes to tracks it's a different story that's why ms3 owners love roll races it's called exit speed and passing power. I've seen Porsches have a hard to keepin up with my tuned ms3
Do you mean Ms3's are better than Porsches and STis on road tracks ? ...Lol I guess you've just gotten lucky against some unskilled drivers. Rolling races and corner exit speed...huh? How do those relate? Please explain...
That Subaru is an 04/05 model. So if was a WRX it would not have been close. Cause the Mazda would have left it in the dust. I love Subarus but I test drove an 05 before I bought my speed3 and the difference in power from a roll is dramatic.
Idk my 2012 msp 3 has 370whp and is not so calm like this one. It's e30 tuned and haven't raced any Subaru but a 425whp auto Camaro couldn't beat me from a roll.
depends which country in australia the sti is a lot faster than the evolution for the same year... though both have got soft... Id rather get the fastest the 99/00 gc8 wrx sti :) :) rally sprints, tarmac rallying, short/med tracks, dirt drags should be fun
that speed is around 400hp should be now, I believe that is dano from MSF. If that is not an STI then its fast. I know of the red speed from the forum it doesn't have a stock turbo.
Mod list for both cars, please? I run 3800/380 whp/wtq on my 2010 Speed 3. Fully bolted, BNR S3, E30 Freektuned. VERY fun car! Nice vid... but put up those mod lists to shut the trolls up.
Ian Caple It,s just like that time i caught 30lb smallmouth bass... lol jk. just seems a bit passive for fwd and 380hp at the wheels... lemme guess, it has a stock turbo too..
Not tryin to start a fight. It may be an STI? But I side with Ben. Sumthin' dudn't add up? For that Mazda to keep up with a a tuned STI, it would need a huge turbo. And you can't see blue suede on the inside of the Sti? My '05 Sti had modest bolt ons with factory turbo.... 22 lbs boost, intake, full greddy exhaust and downpipe, BOV, boost control, wrapped pipes with a remap, tire pressure at 28psi. It made 392hp and crushed C5 Vettes all day long. Tuned STI's are really hard to beat.
Mid 14's isn't exactly " pretty quick " imo for this day and age but, surely suprising. I wouldn't have pegged this car to touch 14's by looking at it. I know nothing of this car so, it's surely a sleeper to me.
I'm Kinda lost with some of these comments . 4WD .. in my opinion is the best.. In my country people only drive AWD or RWD .. its really rare to find somebody driving around with a fwd.. the best thing is we don't have speed limit.. haha.. so u wanna drift , u wanna race .. or u stock in the mud or snow.. haha good luck with yoh fwd..
that ms3 is pretty sexy. Not biased against sti's but that hawkeye is kind of ugly, and its not pulling nearly as hard as it should pushing 400whp for awd.
Jonathan Rivas 380fwhp is a heck of a lot of power through the front wheels. I'm having a hard time finding videos of similar HP'd fwd cars that seem as lackluster as the one in this video...
daniel oehlke makes about 440HP lol no way the speed3 was that powerful without the wheel spin... i have a speed3 2007 stock and it looks like the video when i race lol..
from the video the subie has a better engine but so it seemed slower gear changes and thats when the mazda caught up a little so probably a more bad driver in it
MAN ! That speed3 is a SLEEPER ! Great runs !
I don't know why people argue over which car is better this which car is better that stfu they are ALL good cars. Subaru's have that signature sound and feel, I like that. Evos have incredible straight line speed and mod potential, some like that. Mazdaspeed, focus st, golf r, they ALL have pros and cons, it's about what YOU wanna spend your money on. I'd take the subaru, and that's my prerogative. if you don't like it don't get a subaru but stfu It's MY money.
Imagine that...a comment that makes sense. Thank you.
Ian Caple Hah I'm glad some people still have sense. Nowadays it seems like people are so preoccupied with "one-upping" each other they forget to appreciate their shared love of cars. People should just stick to what they like. Nobody has the right to put someone down for his $30k investment in his dream car just because it isn't the same dream car as them. It's pathetic is what it is.
Ian Caple Kinda, there's a little twist at the end if you ask me...
well fucking said bro!!
well said .. A true car enthusiast likes most cars and doesn't go around bashing on other cars.. unfortunately there are all too many people who go around watch videos of cars then bash on them.. why watch the videos if your just gunna talk crap? Not too many sensible people out there I guess
wow the gear ratios between the two cars are so different
AWD on one, FWD on the other
great race guys.
I have a Speed3 with a mild tune and basic suspension upgrades that I use for Autocross and the occasional track days. I have no problem running with Subarus and Evos in either situation. The right setup and a good driver can make the Speed3 surprisingly quick even around the bends. FWD isnt ideal but I have a had lots of guys in all kinds of cars come up to me and ask about the Speed 3 cause they didnt expect to see it on their tail or pass by them.
Good races!
Nice Speed3, just sold mine T_T alrealy miss it, now sporting an old skool Sti in Japan. Both are great cars.
nice runs!!
Nice cars, both of em. And hatchbacks too, love that (got 2 kids n was looking into either car) so practicality lol
good vid man. Good vid.
nice ms3! i believe you on the HP number, that STi was pulling hard, and especially because it was a roll.
nice shifting for the mazda!!
Thats pretty close race I love Ms3! I drive a honda and fabricated the same mazdaspeed turbo and now it's a beast!! I think I have a video of it in my channel but it's pretty cool too
I agree. I have a MS3 and I have ran stock/lightly modded STIs and beat them with bolt ons but with the big turbo( not huge GT3076) You will see races like this go both ways. Usually whoever gets out first is gonna stay out
Yeah, I know he'd get you off the line. Just curious if the MS3 could recover quick enough to be a threat. Looks like you're putting down some devent power.
The Special Olynpics are on!
I am a gen 1 owner 09'
- The rods are identical between the Gen 1, Gen 2 and MS6 cars.
- The wrist pins have thicker walls on the Gen 1 and MS6 cars. I doubt this affects much as I don't see too many people breaking the very stout wrist pins. Other things will go first.
- As it has already been mentioned on the mazda forums, the pistons are different for the Gen 2 cars.
The Gen 2 piston has been designed to improve combustion and direct the fuel spray upwards and AWAY from the cylinder wall.
Haha! I'm one of them..I bought a 2011 WRX last year. When I first had mine, I saw maybe 1 other in the Burlington area..now I see them everywhere. I'm upgrading next year to a RS4. Better comfort and more power but still has AWD for our shitty weather.
look at it, no scoop, and FMIC. i totally believe the numbers.
Awesome clip I'm thinking of getting my first turbo 4 cylinder soon but am stuck deciding between the stir, evo, focus st and mps 3, they are all pretty awesome but I'm loving the mps style and interior, seems pretty quick and fun to cruise in too
Just get what suits your style best. Like Dan Chang said, they are all the best in their own categories... " ALL have pros and cons, it's about what YOU wanna spend your money on" :)
I personally prefer Subaru. Best sounding, 50/50 AWD, and the lowest center of gravity or all of them because of the flat 4.
But not everyone likes the boxer rumble. The first step is to decide whether you want FWD or AWD. Next decide what type of mods you want and how far you want to take its performance. There are more aftermarket options for Subaru and Mitsu than there are for Ford and Mazda.
evo x
I ended up buying an 04 STI im blown away by the storming power delivery and how goes like a scalded cat on carpet around corners, couldn't be any more pleased
tillsy23 Congrats!! Welcome to the Subie club! Make sure you join NASIOC and IWSTI and Scoobymods. I myself have an STi swapped 2004 Forester XT which I got 3 months ago. The first thing I did was get an exhaust for it to hear that awesome rumble. Couldn't be more pleased with it.
DG wing extension? CF or fiberglass. Did you drill to put it on?
nice. good ol fun
They're so close that it really seems like the camera man being in one car would make the difference lol
There is a hood scoop stock because they have a top mount intercooler. He has a front mount intercooler, so no need for the scoop.
It's when you barely apply the brakes and accelerator, building boost so that you can get a more effective launch.
Man I'd have to get it from him. Fairly long. He tunes on one of the Mazdaspeed forums. I need to try and get him out again and I could get some. Probably faster now.
Tell 'em!
Do you know what wheels are on the MS3?
Don't all STIs have a hood scoop on them? why would they remove it? unless that was an N/A
I'm not a Sti guy, i'm more towards Evo's. But how can you compare the entire STI line to the one generation Evo?
I personally don't like the way the Speed3s look (especially the newer ones), but damn are they quick. Really fun to drive too.
i feel the older ones look way better
he probably had a front mount intercooler installed, which means no need for the hood scoop, I would still keep it but to each his own
Thats a sweet lookin ms3! The subarus pretty sexy too
what kind of mags on the ms3??
I don't know what part of VT you're from, but I've seen far more than 5 just in Burlington. I used to be a fan of EVO's, but after modding my rex, I like it more. It's definitely time to get something else though.
No hood scoop on the sti? R you sure it's not an rs?
It has a fmic, that's why there's no hood scoop.. guess they didn't want/need it. However, during the in car portion while in the subaru i noticed there aren't any sti door panels (the light blue ones that come standard) furthermore, the gear ratio of the subaru doesn't match that of a 6spd. Clearly a wrx with mods and an sti wing. Very good runs though.
Haha I'm confused, a stock mazdaspeed 3 will do 13s all day. If this is actually tuned up to ~380HP it will be a good deal faster.
In any case the first gen of ms3's definitely had a subdued and non-flashy look, I still have trouble telling them apart from a distance.
Did the STI owner change the bonnet to a scoopless bonnet? I understand the idea of sleepers but even with a FMIC why would you??
Yes he did. Because he's 40+ years old and didn't want the scoop. Still serves a purpose because open hole in the hood with mesh.
Well the Mazda...hatch
@MrStlover99 what's your point? We were talking about the ms3/6 platform vs the Sti and how you said the Sti smokes the "fuck" out of it.
To be more specific ( #'s from dragtimes ), they seem to run mid to low 14's and some can crack 13's stock ( looks to be dependent upon their 60' ). Either way, that's just not my opinion of pretty quick. Now if it could break 12's stock on stock streets, yea, i'd consider that pretty quick. Not putting this car down in the least though.
Anywho, I know nothing of any gen of ms3's. This was honestly my first time seeing one race anything lol. I thought they were slow as hell, hence " sleeper ".
How the heck you get 380whp out of a gt2871r. I'm only making 330whp (dynopack). What are your mods?
what was mods on ms3? no way stock turbo puts out passed 350
When you are racing from a roll... You use your left foot and gently hold the brake pedal, with the right foot you give the car a little bit of gas. If you do it right you will build boost in your turbo, without going faster. When the race starts, you let off the brakes, floor the gas and it goes. This prevents turbo lag and can be great for getting a jump on people.. If you go to my page and watch my race with the 2002 FireHawk you can see an example...
What rims are on the ms3?
that STi did pretty good considering AWD is crap on rolls..
Holy shit who taught the STI driver how to shift. It's as if he was letting him win, you can hear the turbo barely spooling before he shifts, and shifting too early at that. Smh
hey may i ask what brake boosting is
mazdaspeed 3 is amazing in a straight like from a rolling start... low drive train loss in fwd and lighter drive train.
technically fwd should be the king of rolls or rwd/rear engine
I like my functional scoop :)
What turbo's are these cars running?
Wannabe Tuners ...same size turbos
where are your vids?
Subaru FTW, but I love me some MazdaSpeed!
keep in mind that 380whp is going to the front wheels of the speed, that 400 is going through all 4 of the subbies. Now, try it from a dig. lol
lol at the drivers serious race face.
Is it me or there starting from like 2,000 rpm's lol
He's probably starting in 3rd instead of 2nd. Since in this car you shift to 3rd at 50-55MPH, he probably figures it just better to start in 3rd. One could start in 2nd, but you'd get wheel spin and have to shift/respool. Unless you flatfoot shift. But anyways, he's probably starting at 3000RPM or so.
what turbo on the ms3?
my speed has the same turbo, i think he is using a little e85 now too. mod list is long but not super long
What is it then?
Does Dan want to get a short shifter ? His changes seem as though hes driving a bus!
I am a ms3 owner but my bro is an sti owner.. Yes he smokes me on drags but when it comes to tracks it's a different story that's why ms3 owners love roll races it's called exit speed and passing power. I've seen Porsches have a hard to keepin up with my tuned ms3
i own a gen 2 speed 3 and roll races is where its at
Do you mean Ms3's are better than Porsches and STis on road tracks ? ...Lol I guess you've just gotten lucky against some unskilled drivers. Rolling races and corner exit speed...huh? How do those relate? Please explain...
Mods to both cars ?
someone please tell me what rims are on the speed
OZ Superleggeras
thanks !
Yep that's dano and yep it's an '04 STI.
He did the hoodscoop delete.
if your on MSF you would know thatGen1 and Gen2 has basically same internals only minor difference with internals
That Subaru is an 04/05 model.
So if was a WRX it would not have been close. Cause the Mazda would have left it in the dust.
I love Subarus but I test drove an 05 before I bought my speed3 and the difference in power from a roll is dramatic.
@wrxsti
Good call...
yes you can. i do it every day.
Idk my 2012 msp 3 has 370whp and is not so calm like this one. It's e30 tuned and haven't raced any Subaru but a 425whp auto Camaro couldn't beat me from a roll.
ms3 sleeper, they're all pretty quick
depends which country in australia the sti is a lot faster than the evolution for the same year...
though both have got soft...
Id rather get the fastest the 99/00 gc8 wrx sti :) :)
rally sprints, tarmac rallying, short/med tracks, dirt drags should be fun
I love subies but in this case needs more top end
that speed is around 400hp should be now, I believe that is dano from MSF. If that is not an STI then its fast. I know of the red speed from the forum it doesn't have a stock turbo.
Mod list for both cars, please?
I run 3800/380 whp/wtq on my 2010 Speed 3. Fully bolted, BNR S3, E30 Freektuned. VERY fun car!
Nice vid... but put up those mod lists to shut the trolls up.
neither of these cars are "near 400whp"
Okay then. Fuck outta here with that shit.
Ian Caple huh?
grizzanator Why would I lie about the horsepower numbers?
Ian Caple It,s just like that time i caught 30lb smallmouth bass... lol jk. just seems a bit passive for fwd and 380hp at the wheels... lemme guess, it has a stock turbo too..
grizzanator Neither have stock turbos here. Brian Sugg clear this shit up, please.
mod list coming soon lol
Not tryin to start a fight. It may be an STI? But I side with Ben. Sumthin' dudn't add up? For that Mazda to keep up with a a tuned STI, it would need a huge turbo. And you can't see blue suede on the inside of the Sti? My '05 Sti had modest bolt ons with factory turbo.... 22 lbs boost, intake, full greddy exhaust and downpipe, BOV, boost control, wrapped pipes with a remap, tire pressure at 28psi. It made 392hp and crushed C5 Vettes all day long. Tuned STI's are really hard to beat.
And to correct you again, i didn't see brembo brakes. Not an sti.
Mid 14's isn't exactly " pretty quick " imo for this day and age but, surely suprising. I wouldn't have pegged this car to touch 14's by looking at it. I know nothing of this car so, it's surely a sleeper to me.
he knows that... thats why he said if im going that route im going mitsu... dude
I'm Kinda lost with some of these comments . 4WD .. in my opinion is the best.. In my country people only drive AWD or RWD .. its really rare to find somebody driving around with a fwd.. the best thing is we don't have speed limit.. haha.. so u wanna drift , u wanna race .. or u stock in the mud or snow.. haha good luck with yoh fwd..
that ms3 is pretty sexy. Not biased against sti's but that hawkeye is kind of ugly, and its not pulling nearly as hard as it should pushing 400whp for awd.
True but at least an sti won't grenade a transfer case at stock power levels
Andrew McLaughlin speeds have pretty decent tranny’s
stock should go to 155mph and best beak boost is at 5-750rpm
mitsu is 4 cyl awd too dude
The STI looks actually quite a bit quicker, them short gears are slowing him down, 07 gears and this race would have been ugly
The only reason thats a close race is cause that subaru is just a WRX not a WRX STI.
Im gonna win im gonna im gonna FUCKING WIN ohhhh shit
that sti is toying with u
380whp speed3? That was a very un-dramatic third gear. Even my stage 2 speed3(270whp?) will spin the tires a bit at 3k rpms in third..
Tires make a difference.
Jonathan Rivas 380fwhp is a heck of a lot of power through the front wheels. I'm having a hard time finding videos of similar HP'd fwd cars that seem as lackluster as the one in this video...
daniel oehlke makes about 440HP lol no way the speed3 was that powerful without the wheel spin... i have a speed3 2007 stock and it looks like the video when i race lol..
OZ Ultraleggera's.
you can see where it was
Most likely.
Now tell me how exactly you would know that.
credits to the mazdaspeed 3.... didn't know they can go that fast lol
looks like someone was lied to about their HP #'s
from the video the subie has a better engine but so it seemed slower gear changes and thats when the mazda caught up a little so probably a more bad driver in it
shouldve started one gear lower. sounds like its out of the powerband