2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 | Edmunds.com
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Sport compacts have it hard. Cars like the 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX and the 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 - along with competitors like the Honda Civic Si, Mini Cooper S and Volkswagen GTI - are expected to do mutually contradictory things with something approaching perfection. They're supposed to be quick but economical; athletic but comfortable; sporty but practical. Oh yeah, and they can't cost a lot.
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gotta love mazdas 3 series ! i have an old mazda 323 and it still shocks the hell out of people when they ride in it . they been doing it rite !
That's a real objective analysis you have there.
Haha So much Suburu butt hurt. Sorry Lesbians, Mazdaspeed 3 was waaaay better.
everytime i see a video like this one I'm glad once again the i bought my Speed
I have had mine for about 3 weeks and absolutely love it. It is on the way to being one of the best cars I have ever owned. I already put the 3 inch TBE and CAI and wow, this thing is fast.
15 лет
Picking up my new true red MazdaSpeed3 tomorrow.....Can hardly wait!!! My Mazda 3 ('08, also) was destroyed in a powerline fire last Sunday...I was broken hearted. Have a feeling this Speed 3 will help it mend!!!
Always love the comparison tests and video which brings out tons of debates. But one I see lacking is any in the last 3 years. Mainly since subaru went to a stiffer suspension, better tires, and currently with the 2011's where I believe they are the best all around performers out of stock wrx's.
subie went with the hatch for RALLY racing. it keeps the same weight distribution but has a smaller rear overhang. which comes in handy flying around tight roads at 80+mph!
For 2008 they're bringing the Cobalt SS back. It's going to have the Solstice 2.0L Turbo, 260hp, 260ft-lbs. It's already set a Nurburgring track time of 8:22.85. You can find the article on Motor Trends website.
@RayDanger2020 So how are you liking the car so far? and how's the mileage treating you? I wanted one really badly, but it's just not very practical for me right now(and they're not available in my area). I settled for a 3i Touring which I've been having a lot of fun with.
Oh yah, thats right! I remeber hearing the WRX was at 265 now. Sweet, thanks for the details.
Still ripping my speed 3 today 😇
I love all the cars like these.. Gives us all options to choose from and means there's plenty of races out there..... What these cars do for the money just kicks ass.. V8's are gonna have to watch out!!
never had a problem with any of mine so ill continue to buy them and next up is the MPS! what do you drive out of interest?
@iamhelix Hi, to answer all of the confusion I created, The scoop was "trying" to force air into the engine bay, but was actually failing at it. The car was already sucking massive amounts of air in through the front.
The hood scoop is pointless, if not hurting the performance. They shouldn't be TMIC at all. If so, they need to block off air passage through the front of the engine.
Wind tunnel was free. My friend goes to some airplane engineer school. Tunnel is used for creating lift.
nice! I'll have to get that when mine comes in (just ordered a new '09) does it hurt the lower part of the power band at all?
how many days do you drive in snow per year?
and ms3 handled well in snowstorm.
the subie awd system defaults to 50/50 unless traction is lost, when it will move around power. most awd cars on the market default to mostly fwd anyways, until a wheel slips. it really depends on which one you buy. remember, though, that awd only makes you go- doesn't do a thing for braking, or turning if you're not accelerating as well.
What music is that in the beginning? It's cool!
alright for sure that will be tight let me know how it goes.
honeslty i had this problem deciding to root for the wrx or the ms3. At first I was going for the ms3, but on the track and in terms of taking a beating, I assume it wouldnt hold up as good as the wrx. Im just assuming based on looks and specs, but any insight on this?
@TheS13freak how many miles does your mazda have ? is it any good just asking because i been trying to decide between these two car but when im about to go for the speed3 people say it not that good so its really hard for me and since i owned a civic ex they say stick with the honda which means the SI so just wnat to know if there are anything i should concern about the mazda
thanks
I never liked these kind of comparisons, For me, timing and handling are only as good as the driver and the wheels under it,
Were the comparisons done by the same driver, going the same speed, with the same tires. If not, you can't really compare them equally. Even the same driver may find himself slower or faster with reflexes at different intervals,
So, to me, it's all about which vehicle you find comfortable, fun to drive, and reliable.
Need a follow up video with the 09 WRX
Never had the priviledge of rdiing in one, although I certainlly have wanted to. WHat kind of improvements has the 09 WRX seen? Thanks.
I have noticed very little torque steer while driving it. the only time i notice it is if I really stomp on the gas, but even then, it's very manageable.
There was three diff. trims in 07. One was 173 bhp, one with 224 bhp and one with 293 bhp
@cardude1992 nice. nvr mind didnt kno that whats the diff between the sti and the reg wrx?
subaru interior in so ugly.
if mazda have awd than will be best choice
I guess your wish came true. We got awd now but no mazdaspeed trim.
Have to agree with you there. MS3's DST won't let you get full power until 3rd gear. My MS3 is modded to 298 hp, but i won't see any of it unless i turn it off and fly off the road, plus i need snow tires... and extra $800. It's still and amazing car though.
Is the 08 wrx that bad?? I found a good deal on one and I was really thinking about getting it.
All the information I have gathered is that the new skyline will be the same skyline offered around the world. 500± hp Twin Turbo 3.7 liter AWD. Looks pretty sick too. I'm pretty sure it will be a 7 speed padle shifter too.
i test drove the GTI before I settled with a Mazda3. GTI comes in @ 200hp that costs ~27k, Mazdaspeed @ 260+ hp that costs ~25k. GTI is hot for its new transmission though. Mazdaspeed3 is so hard to come by, there's a waiting list to get one.
@nas315 Is there that much of a difference between a wrx and sti?
I may be wrong, but with a Cobb Access Port ($695) you can time the electric wastegate and set the BOV on your WRX and get it pretty damn close to the 265 HP, and the Acees Port also gets you more HP out of other upgrades. I added a Cusco front strut bar which takes out most of the body roll, well worth the $160. The '09 is going to cost about $3,500 more on the base price and for $3,500, there's a lot I can do with an '08.
according to consumer reports, the ms3 averaged 24, with 18 city(their city test is rough), and 32 hw. the wrx, when i looked at previous models (they havn't tested the current model wrx yet), it got 22 combined. as a side note, they also rated the ms3 highest in it's class.
sounds like they did a pretty good job on that vehicle. I think the STi needs to be beefed up, which I hear is planned for future models... odd how the MS3 gets so much more attention than the speed6..which is now discontinued I think. I had an 05 STi...I wonder how the new 08 would stack up to the MS3.
i like both cars but id go with the wrx since i ive in NY and get lots of snow ... i also like the mazda Rx8 any thought about this car i heard it not too reliable
@BCCHSMD thanks a lot for the info... one of the reason i d go with honda or mazda was the price but im going to wait a little longer and might go for the subaru if can get a good deal
@andrewjpx
Are you buying the car for track or real life?
how is it in snow?
The suberu tested here was not the sti. The Impreza wrx only has 224 bhp, here as the sti has around 315 bhp. Mazdaspeed 3 is at around 263 bhp
what's the name of the song on the beginning ?
Both are good cars, I'm sure the Suby will have TONS of aftermarket parts available. Some even from the factory.
what should i get speed 3 or 6 fwd vs awd 3 as a better look but yea fwd ...
hey theres a difference between the wrx and the sti hey? cause the sti has like close to 300bph, not 217 or whatever this said.
I drove a Subie WRX the other day, what a screamer !
What song is that in the beginning?
@darthcarloos ok, what do you know about the Subaru Impreza vs. the Mazda 3 besides the owners manual... nothing.
I hired a 5.0 mustang a few years ago and could not believe how slow and boaty it was not sure about the new 1 but the 2006 model was weak. my old version 4 sti was a space ship in comparison. anyway MPS is a animal looking to get one soon
yeah, but it's now AWD all the time, I'm not 100% sure about the fraction but I think it's 20/80 AWD around the track and can even throw all the power to the rear wheels, but it also can go up to 50/50 AWD like it does on launches.
yeah i actually bought an 09... it is exactly the same as the 08.5.. the only difference i think is that the control remote has a button to open the boot
I know this might not be the right place to ask this but... A friend of mine has Mazdaspeed3 MPS not Mazda3 MPS. He has one of the unique MS3 here in Hawaii I guess. I don't know how the heck he got it cuz he wont tell me. Normal MS3 I see on the road just says Mazdaspeed3 in the back while my friend say Mazdaspeed3 and it says MPS on the right. I'm just trying to find out if it's a Special vers. of any MS3 out there.
Why didn't they put the wrx sti vs the speed3?
@Trucoco
Not me.. No rage here.. Just facts and opinions. And we all know about opinions. I just think its cool that there are so many awesome cars to choose from. I like them all for different reasons.
@iamhelix I wasn't there for this part, but he said they sealed off the hood scoop, and did the mist test again and evidently air pushed in ONLY from the front bumper pushed more air over the engine and around the intercooler.
He's now actually built some sort of tube that grabs air at the bumper and pushes it over the TMIC... And he's ditched his hood scoop for more than just obvious reasons.
Maybe they perfected it in the newer WRXs... I dono.
your right but what i want to know is how much the 2007 has ?
Yes the GT-R will be sold in the US. The manufacturers had to tune down hp to 485 to meet gas emission standards in the states
@430nate is urs stock?
I really hope that I can get my Mazdaspeed 3~
what does sti stand for?
where is this section that is dedicated to engine blowing? There was a thread that some guy just started about how he over boosted without a tune and blew his engine, is that what you are talking about?
@Fratty124 And your point is they also do a lot for the environment as well plus they make some of the best rally cars to ever be created. On top of that they are the sponsor of the American Kayaking Team and everyone of them drive a Subaru.
Now try testing the sti vs the speed3 and tell me the out come of that one
whats better a vw gti or a mazda speed3
Compare the 2009-up WRX next
Man whats the song???? The sound is so addicting!
Because you rarely see old Mazdas around, there are a lot of high mileage Subarus still running around. Not to mention the MS3's turbo runs on high boost than the WRX. Most MS3 owners know they are generally reliable but not problem free.
@Pre00
I just ordered a 2011 wrx premium 3 weeks ago, I cant wait to get it. I currently have a 2000 subaru outback with 230,000 miles on it. im the orginal owner and it still runs as good as the day it was driven off the lot. I couldnt agree more about mustangs and the so called muscle cars, not only are wrx's and sti's beating these cars in a straight lines, they are blowing them away when it comes to handling and reliability.
@66StodaC66 then why does it beat the wrx in every aspect?
@davenow The problem with the RX-8s and all rotarys really is that all their power is at the top end of the revs...its not hard to boost power...just hard to get any low end grunt out of them
Correct. But the point Im making to a previous comment is MS3 and STI are not in the same price bracket. There fore the two cars are typically not compared. I owned a WRX 2 years and test drove the $36,000+ 08 STI and $26,000 WRX. The MS3 can pull hard w/ 263HP & 280 Lbs/Torque. I bought my MS3 GT for $23,500. Stock 4 stock i'll smoke WRX's- STI will prob spank me. But I would like run an STI after my mech. drops in my GT3071R Turbo kit.
So because the speed3 is a great car, its now a beefed up focus? The chassis is great, only thing I feel it needs is some suspension work. Power is fine where its at, but for autox work the stock suspension will not do. For all those bashing the speed 3 saying the wrx is better, well how many more tests do you want?
Yeah, I know... :( I wish it wasn't that way, but oh well. Do you know of anything along the line of these types of cars that would be easy and cheap to find? What about Evos? When did they finally start coming out with Evos in America? I know a lot about the evo itself, but not it's past.
what does ftw mean?
i have a gti but i mildly regret not getting the ms3
The new CP-E reflash for the Mazda gives me full throttle to redline now ;)No more peak horsepower cutting off at 5500 RPMS.
@andrewjpx Not sure about that too... They forgot a lot of factors in this test that imo would put the WRX in first place.
and is it me, or do I see an FMIC on the speed3 in the actual driving footage???
why did they use the music from tux racer....
@kylesti13 totally different class - sti is about USD$12k pricier than the speed3, plus it's also all wheel drive. There's not exactly a fair comparison.
@430nate oh what was i thinking when i wrote that? i shoulda put the wrx had 224hp while the s3 had 263hp. but yes i know its not all about the hp but i guess in this case it is. but the new wrx have 265 so it should be an interesting match.
Yeah, forgive my vauge use of the work track, i meant track as in like just an oval nascar track, which fwd with a front or mid engine placement would be ideal with balance of the car, ect...im sure fwd on a rally track would be fun as hell...never seen it though, only heard of it, probably a bit more interesting than awd. I gotta take my taurus on a firt road one day and see how I do :-) lol...NOT
most people don't drive any car hard in the rain snow mud whatever, I usually don't drive my ms3 hard unless it is nice weather outside :) and I would have a friendly arguement as to why you think the impreza platform is a much better base to start modding? The chasis test show that the ms3 can handle alot more horsepower than the wrx can and the MZR engine in the MS3 is very mod friendly.
if you were looking for speed on a track or circuit, i guess you would be right, but im talking about everyday driving. since he cant afford a wrx, a base impreza definately trumps the mazda in terms of drivability. if you want the small creature comforts, the mazda may be better equipped. either way the price range is still about the same.
what about sti?
@markholbr NP..thats what I thought you meant. Same goes with DOHC V6's..technically they are quad cammed as well.
oh yea i bet lol. put some vids up of it i wanna see this beast.
I agree, definitely AWD or RWD for the speed3. And a sedan version too, not just the hatchback.
i like how they say "the only advantage of the WRX is the AWD" obviously. which is also well worth the $2500 extra for the WRX. living in a city that sees snow all winter long, i bought an STI. AWD makes a world of difference.
that's because a rally track typically has low traction conditions. generally a rwd car has higher cornering limits, but is less manageable when traction is lost.
has any one heard how the 09 wrx sedans do in inclimate weather like snow and rain all ive seen is track testing no real world driving examples i was thinking about trading my g35 in this summer for 4wd or awd but dont know if i can get use to a suv i think it would bore me
were is a hyundai in this video?
actually, with the 2008 both the STI and the standard WRX come with the 2.5
@Molinkintov if its better, why does it lose in every aspect
@knduong probably because the newer sti's are quite sad compared to their older verisons...
awd makes a biggg difference in winters where i live.. i am a subie fan but i have a lot of respect for the mazda too.. subie for me please... infact i already have one..
LOL, I just drove a regular WRX the other day. They uped the horsepower to 265, and the ride and handling is just perfect. Not only that, but the seating is the best I have seen. I fit right in. I drove it, and it pulls like a freight train. It's also fairly quiet, something I like. I may get one later in September or so. It's out of reach for me now :( I know some people hot-rod them up to 500 hp, but 265 is good enough for me. The STI version may ride too hard for my taste.
Not going to argue with that, but I think they were looking at a balance of all the features they named at the beginning of the video (Specifically, the price... STIs run 10k more than the Speed3).
Personally, I'd go for the Speed3 and spend the extra 10K on bolt-ons and gas.
that what tuning is for fudge stock.