Best Archers in Tamriel, the Wood Elves of Valenwood | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #35

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 371

  • @BaalFridge
    @BaalFridge 3 роки тому +394

    I love the Bosmer twist on the nature-loving wood elf trope, but instead of being peace and love hippie vegetarians they're flat out cannibalistic carnivores cuz that's what nature does.
    ''dont touch my forest or I'll eat you''

    • @jackl45
      @jackl45 3 роки тому +26

      It makes sense and is more logical than elves that love the forest but eat vegetables. Especially when they have massive cities, the farms required to feed strictly vegetarians on that scale would kill the forest. TES's take is far more interesting and logical in my opinion

    • @varisugocsay1152
      @varisugocsay1152 3 роки тому +20

      @@jackl45 + The cannibalistic rituals explaning why they are more pacifist than other racise, who can even eat an entire army?

    • @jackl45
      @jackl45 3 роки тому +12

      @@varisugocsay1152 And it shows that any killing would need to be necessary, and they respect what they kill by not wasting it

    • @varisugocsay1152
      @varisugocsay1152 3 роки тому +9

      @@jackl45 Yes, this part of why they eat and use everything they killed is quet compelling.

    • @Dougy359
      @Dougy359 3 роки тому +1

      @@jackl45 that’s why you see stuff like lotr like Lembas bread where a tiny bit can keep you fed for a long time

  • @PenumbraLP
    @PenumbraLP 3 роки тому +159

    As weird as it may sound, the mourning wars are actually based on a real thing. The Iroquois used to do exactly that, it was even named the same.

    • @balmoreblue7550
      @balmoreblue7550 3 роки тому +15

      Cool as fuck. Never thought about the fact that most TES lore is inspired by real world practices, religions, cultures, etc. Just couldn't have guessed something strange as that would be. Makes sense though, you want your tribe to be as strong as possible and losing one single member I can imagine is always a detriment when you only have so many to go around.

    • @rafaelbalsan4512
      @rafaelbalsan4512 3 роки тому +10

      It's a fascinating subject. Mourning Wars show that war can serve different purposes for different societies, for the Iroquois in time of crisis they waged war with the intent of filling up their population, not further thinning it.

    • @UnswimmingFishYT
      @UnswimmingFishYT 3 роки тому +4

      That would be hard to believe if I hadn't seen evidence of stranger practices being common in the medieval to renaissance time range.

    • @JaelaOrdo
      @JaelaOrdo 3 роки тому +2

      Was thinking then when watching this, I learned about it from my grandparents

    • @thaneexplains9728
      @thaneexplains9728 3 роки тому

      That’s what I was gonna say!

  • @bijou3000
    @bijou3000 3 роки тому +184

    I'm playing a female Wood Elf in Skyrim. It's cool when I meet other friendly Bosmer NPCs, because their dialogue is coded to occasionally call me "Sister."

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 3 роки тому +43

      They do, but I also get male Bosmer (Faendal, Gwilin) call my male Dunmer "brother elf", and say "nice to see a familiar face so far from home."
      And they just get the crimson stare.

    • @vivecthepoet36
      @vivecthepoet36 2 роки тому +24

      @@Aethuviel tfw the walking cannibal ooze says "how do you do fellow elf"

    • @ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски
      @ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски 2 роки тому +4

      @@Aethuviel I think Faendal called my female Altmer once a "sister elf". Yeah....

    • @kolardgreene3096
      @kolardgreene3096 Рік тому +3

      What I like is people calling my Bosmer male a "little elf"

    • @bijou3000
      @bijou3000 Рік тому +1

      @@kolardgreene3096 LOL every time, I'm like, "Why you gotta be all racist?"

  • @privateplaylistyoutubeacco6190
    @privateplaylistyoutubeacco6190 3 роки тому +71

    10:00
    Bird bones are hollow in real life, so that’s probably why they are said to be better for arrows.

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 3 роки тому +9

      bird bones also tend to form sharp edges when they break.

    • @aggressivenipples8391
      @aggressivenipples8391 3 роки тому +5

      Although if you watch Todd's Workshop, a more massive arrow is usually better cuz the speed drop isn't very significant but the extra mass adds a lot more momentum and energy. Although I'm guessing Bethesda didn't have access to Todd when they wrote that book lol.
      But a sharp, shattering bird bone arrow is a neat concept

    • @dr.calibrations7984
      @dr.calibrations7984 3 роки тому

      @@aggressivenipples8391 kinda like a hollow point bullet...

  • @HareDeLune
    @HareDeLune 3 роки тому +87

    Scott, silk comes from a worm. Specifically, a certain type of larva that makes a silk cocoon.
    That's why silk has traditionally been rare and expensive, because you have to create silk farms of hundreds of these larvae to produce any amount of it.
    Obsidian is a form of volcanic glass that can produce an edge sharper than a scalpel, and has been used as a surgical tool in the past. However, as you have stated, being a crystalline material it is fairly brittle.

    • @dr.calibrations7984
      @dr.calibrations7984 3 роки тому +6

      Obsidian shards produce edges that fit between cells CELLS! Doesnt get much sharper than that homie.

    • @jass9571
      @jass9571 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah silk worms are moth larvae ..like caterpillars are butterfly larvae...the silk is the structure they make their cocoon out of..

    • @projectfantasy1385
      @projectfantasy1385 3 роки тому

      That is an interesting topic. Is it plausible to have a spider that produces silk webbings? I mean, like in WoW there are shadow slik from giant monster spiders if I remember correctly.
      Can this be a plausible fantasy thing, or is this just a worm-manufactured thingy? 😄

    • @jass9571
      @jass9571 3 роки тому +7

      @@projectfantasy1385 spider silk is literally what real spiders make their webs out of? Not sure what your question is? Do you mean isit possible to make fabric out of spider web silk? I would imagine so I think its the harvesting of the amount you would need in real life spiders would be hard...but im a fantasy setting with giant spiders it would be easy

    • @projectfantasy1385
      @projectfantasy1385 3 роки тому +1

      @@jass9571 yes, that's exactly what my question was about, aand thanks a lot 😄 so we can assume it is plausable to have these kind of fantasy spiders with silk webbing that can be use for fabric 😊 great, thx again

  • @cloudmane4159
    @cloudmane4159 3 роки тому +184

    I would have loved a valenwood es game with the migrating city that changes position on the map in real time 😍

    • @hircineshunter5896
      @hircineshunter5896 3 роки тому +3

      One day is one day 😌

    • @chisasa9509
      @chisasa9509 3 роки тому +6

      But the Green Tower Stopped Moving. So we need to fix that!

    • @cloudmane4159
      @cloudmane4159 3 роки тому +1

      Chi Sasa falinesti?!! When?

    • @gregjones4705
      @gregjones4705 3 роки тому +8

      Valenwood is the province I would be most into for a game.

    • @gaspers2986
      @gaspers2986 3 роки тому +11

      @@cloudmane4159 I believe the 3rd edition of the pocket guide to the empire, Valenwood, mentions this:
      "The Wildhunt has been spotted for the first time in over 500 years, although to what purpose is not yet clear. Falenesti, the "walking city" of trees has rooted itself for the first time in recorded history. A new Bosmer prophet has arisen, known only as the precursor, who preaches the old forest god Y'ffre is returning with new gifts for his favorite people. Whether these are isolated events, or signs that some great change is coming to Valenwood, remains to be seen."
      Ill have my Telvanni magister check the Arcanium later to confirm, but I do remember something like that being written in book somewhere.
      Edit: It wasn't in game apparently, it was a book that came with TESIV: Oblivion.

  • @atil-o4q
    @atil-o4q 3 роки тому +117

    "I have a feeling you and I are about to become very close " -fargoth

  • @envoy2500
    @envoy2500 3 роки тому +23

    They should also be allowed to eat fruits and nuts since those are parts that plants grow specifically to be eaten as a way of spreading seeds.

  • @theace8502
    @theace8502 3 роки тому +149

    Valenwood would actually be a pretty good setting for an elder scrolls game. It sounds about as alien as Morrowind

    • @tarnyowl6068
      @tarnyowl6068 3 роки тому +29

      And with enough work on the forests it could fuck your graphics card

    • @Laticia1990
      @Laticia1990 3 роки тому +9

      After playing through it in ESO I'd love to see it fleshed out more in the 4th era.

    • @IveGotToast
      @IveGotToast 3 роки тому +20

      Too bad Bethesda hates the weird provinces now for some reason. Hammerfell will probably be fun, but I'm tired of the human provinces. Give me Valenwood or Black Marsh

    • @naterod
      @naterod 3 роки тому +1

      Yessssss! This new about hammerfell es6 really sucks es6 Valenwood would've been fucking amazing

    • @timecoldslow2950
      @timecoldslow2950 3 роки тому +5

      summerset would be alien too

  • @cryonix226
    @cryonix226 3 роки тому +96

    "Rock is not a plant" -Michael "Fudgemuppet" fromfudgemuppet

  • @cuerbear
    @cuerbear 3 роки тому +7

    Wood elves are my favorite race because they’re these super quick cannibalistic shapeshifter lil gremlin ppl but they’re just super chill. Like they have the potential to be these crazy overlords but they just wanna chill in the forest and sing

  • @Dan-B
    @Dan-B 3 роки тому +56

    “They’ll kill you if you mess with their vegetation”
    Is Valenwood the Australia of Tamriel?

    • @Walsinats4
      @Walsinats4 3 роки тому +10

      That title is reserved for black marsh

  • @haydenbsiegel
    @haydenbsiegel 3 роки тому +73

    The Bosmer are my favorite, but they get so little love. Thanks for this podcast! My ESO toon, Andriel Forestwind, is an art historian. I've been taking screenshots of various pieces of art around the game and writing up art history articles on each piece!

    • @redeemedcoops
      @redeemedcoops 3 роки тому +8

      That's freaking cool

    • @mysteryman4013
      @mysteryman4013 3 роки тому +1

      What system do you
      Play on?

    • @haydenbsiegel
      @haydenbsiegel 3 роки тому

      @@mysteryman4013 PC

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 3 роки тому

      I think they might be so unpopular because of Fargoth (and Morrowind Bosmer voices overall) and the Adoring Fan. But as I played Skyrim first, learned lore later and about these two particular characters later, I never got that Bosmer were supposed to be hated or disliked by the fanbase.

    • @haydenbsiegel
      @haydenbsiegel 3 роки тому

      @@Aethuviel Fargoth was my boi

  • @Flonzo
    @Flonzo 3 роки тому +12

    It idea of mourning wars was a tradition from the various tribes of the Iroquois League. For them it was a way to keep the peace between tribes since it meant there was a merging of cultures that would occur. When someone for one tribe killed someone from another tribe, they would have to replace that person as punishment

  • @Fourtytwo4242
    @Fourtytwo4242 3 роки тому +13

    It sounds like Valenwood has this short of jungle fighter Rambo thing going on right now, Thalmor coming in, start purging and forcing beliefs down their throats. The old fashion Bosmer are going around doing raids and trying to kick them out while you have new fashion who follow the Thalmor to the core. Sounds like a interesting game being a Thalmor hunter looking for these old fashion elves and killing them, Or become Elf Rambo and slowly wipe out the thalmor with raids and using gorilla tactics.

  • @eyeofgnosis558
    @eyeofgnosis558 3 роки тому +17

    The Ooze could be the Bosmer interpretation of the time when all mer were in the formless state of the Old Ehlnofey? This could mean Bosmer, Khajiit, Dwemer and Aldmer were the first mer and the sundering of Aldmeris was a later division of the Aldmer into Chimer, Ayleids and Maormer (I suppose Falmer could fit into either category given how little lore we have on their origins)

    • @chisasa9509
      @chisasa9509 3 роки тому +5

      The Ooze are elnahfey that couldn't figure out how to be water. Lol

    • @EJDubbz
      @EJDubbz 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah, I'd think that the Bosmer would be the closest to the ancestral mer. It makes more sense than the Altmer. That's probably just propaganda.

    • @eyeofgnosis558
      @eyeofgnosis558 3 роки тому +3

      @@EJDubbz I suppose that would make Khajiit the ultimate embodiment of Mer evolution - changing to be a part of and enjoy Nirn rather than feeling trapped by it or a slave to it :)

  • @jariheimoluoto4959
    @jariheimoluoto4959 2 роки тому +1

    Bosmer have always been my favourite. There just is something special about the bosmer.

  • @sit-insforsithis1568
    @sit-insforsithis1568 3 роки тому +20

    Bosmer are my pick because it’s cool they have the word bos in them which is Dutch

    • @cnut7383
      @cnut7383 3 роки тому

      What does bos mean?

    • @sit-insforsithis1568
      @sit-insforsithis1568 3 роки тому +6

      @@cnut7383 it means “wood” so literally “woodelves”

    • @Aethuviel
      @Aethuviel 3 роки тому +4

      @@cnut7383 And alt in Altmer means tall/high (Latin-based), dun in Dunmer means dark (dunkel, Germanic-based).

    • @cnut7383
      @cnut7383 3 роки тому

      @@Aethuviel damn it all makes sense now. the boreal elves the altitude elves and dun( i think its a dark colour) elves

    • @cnut7383
      @cnut7383 Рік тому

      @MomPickMeUpImScared-st4wi dun means dark in English. Probably derived from dunkel

  • @teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373
    @teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373 3 роки тому +35

    “They’re gonna LARP for the rest of their lives”
    🤣 Welcome to the family!

  • @whispro4646
    @whispro4646 3 роки тому +12

    elder scrolls pickup line: damn girl do you know about trinimac? Cause i’m just trynna mac u mine. (this works 100% of the time and whoever you tell it to will instantly fall in love with you so be very careful who you say it to)

  • @mygetawayart
    @mygetawayart 3 роки тому +6

    I love the Bosmer, they're my favourite race, i wish one day we could get a game set in the Aldmeri Dominion from the mainline saga. I imagine it giving you the choice to either side with the Empire, the Khajit or with Bosmeri dissidents to take down the Dominion, they would all have different approaches and different end results. The bosmer have been my favourite race since i started playing Elder Scrolls because of LOTR. I got into archery because of them and i love the style, looks and lore of the wood elves.

  • @morrigankasa570
    @morrigankasa570 3 роки тому +5

    Bosmer are one of my favorite races. Also I have always felt that they are allowed to use fallen/dead plants and that Hircine would be accepted easily cause of the Huntsman stuff and he has his own wild hunt that may be considered compatible with their beliefs.

  • @HovektheArtist
    @HovektheArtist 3 роки тому +6

    Nothing stirs the undergrowth like a bosmer

  • @EyeOfMagnus4E201
    @EyeOfMagnus4E201 2 роки тому +6

    I wonder if part of the reason that the Wood Elves are more fertile than other elves is because they interbred with the Nedic slaves who fled the Ayleids, making them sort of the opposite of Bretons, that being elves with a bit of human blood, and the main thing the Bosmer get from the bit of human blood they have is fertility closer to humans than other elves.

  • @theangelperiel
    @theangelperiel 3 роки тому +9

    "Jif.. jeff... juff..." Jauffre would be the one to know. He lives quietly as a monk at Weynon Priory

  • @CthulhuianBunny
    @CthulhuianBunny 3 роки тому +4

    Macuahuitl (mah-kwa-witl) is the Aztec weapon you're talking about, with the obsidian blades embedded into the edge of a club.

  • @drifindoril1818
    @drifindoril1818 3 роки тому +2

    Bosmer are my favourite and have been forever, I find their lore so interesting! Kinda underrated imo, overshadowed (understandably though) by the Dunmer I think - so really great to have such a long look at them 😊

  • @octavianpopescu4776
    @octavianpopescu4776 3 роки тому +6

    The raids to replace tribe members is inspired by real life, as weird as it may sound. Some native tribes in today's US would do that. There is the case of Mary Campbell in the 18th century, who became a member of the Delaware after being taken during one raid. They didn't take on the full identity of the people they were supposed to replace, as much as they were adopted into the families whose members they replaced. But yes, this is inspired by real life.

  • @alexanderstilianov
    @alexanderstilianov 2 роки тому

    Listened to this while hiking in the woods for that authentic 💚Bosmer experience. Love the autumn scenery. Walked along some dead tree trunks felled over ravines. A sharp branch tore up my shirt but I'm good. Descended down a dried up river bed only to be assaulted by mosquitoes spawned from what few puddles were left. My phone battery died just right before I got out and right after I finished the video. Fun times.💚

  • @mythicmars4848
    @mythicmars4848 3 роки тому +4

    Bosmer are my favorite race mostly due to the green pact, bone weapons, and the abilities they have from jephre that are like completely unique to their race

    • @chisasa9509
      @chisasa9509 3 роки тому +2

      Yes. It's Yffree tho. Our most important God.

    • @mythicmars4848
      @mythicmars4848 3 роки тому

      @@chisasa9509 different ways to spell it, I just go with whatever one I remember at the time

  • @SphynxsShadow
    @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому +5

    I like Drews face. He has a kind face. And kind eyes.

    • @SphynxsShadow
      @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому

      @Faceless Ai so to say someone looks kind makes you inclined to being gay? Wtf kind of logic is that?

    • @SphynxsShadow
      @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому

      @Faceless Ai and why would it matter if I repaired tech or not? Specifically why would it matter to you to warrant asking?

    • @SphynxsShadow
      @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому

      @Faceless Ai I don't simp. If you recognized me from somewhere, you'd also know I'm not a fan of people. But then again, you just assumed I wasn't calm instead of speaking as I normally do. Guess that just means you only recognize me without actually knowing and that makes anything you say completely worthless to me. Bye now

    • @SphynxsShadow
      @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому

      @Faceless Ai Good, didn't ask you to like me, don't need you to like me, your stupid comments are not required. Don't waste my time with your false pretenses of "niceness"

    • @SphynxsShadow
      @SphynxsShadow 3 роки тому

      @Faceless Ai Oh so now you have a sad life too as well as calling others incels while acting like a shit person. How... expected for people.

  • @deathlymelody5932
    @deathlymelody5932 3 роки тому +1

    Resin is actually excreted from trees. Therefore it would not be against the green pact, because you aren’t hurting the trees for the resin.

  • @Awoken0
    @Awoken0 3 роки тому +25

    Best part of every Sunday.

    • @kohuta4242
      @kohuta4242 3 роки тому +1

      Straight up, best way to wake up and drink coffee and relax/nirn out

  • @wastelandwanderer9491
    @wastelandwanderer9491 3 роки тому +7

    Will enjoy this, but will try and resist from doing yet another stealth archer playthrough.

    • @electricc437
      @electricc437 3 роки тому +5

      Tis impossible. Thou can't resist the temptation.
      But seriously, why is it so goddamn fun?

  • @cris75664
    @cris75664 Рік тому

    Gods, I love being a bosmer. I've always loved the forest and archery, so being a beautiful male wood elf is awesome and makes me wish I could be in the game and live in valanwood.

  • @leangoldfish
    @leangoldfish 3 роки тому +5

    Would have loved to hear you talk about the Vinedusk Rangers. One girl imparticular at their headquarters in Reapers March talked about the Green Pact when they had to burn down trees to save the village. Glooredel said the rangers don't worry much about the pact around there. She said she's even had a salad and she liked it. Thought that was pretty interesting and stood out.

    • @Laticia1990
      @Laticia1990 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I played through that quest! Reaper's March is like a mix of bosmer and khajit culture. I see why it's more likely that bosmer there would bend the rules, as opposed to the ones in Grahtwood and Greenshade.

  • @UnswimmingFishYT
    @UnswimmingFishYT 3 роки тому +1

    There's been genetic work done to mix spider and goat DNA in order to produce spider silk from goats. The silk comes out in the milk, which is rather strange, but since goats are easy to control and manage, that's apparently an effective way to get the stuff.

  • @Seifiros
    @Seifiros 3 роки тому +3

    Those little rural Bosmers, dissapearing into the bushes each time Pelinal walks by

  • @missmischief9732
    @missmischief9732 3 роки тому +2

    They do write and have special Ink they made that can be used
    Commonly used Ink wouldn't have dried do to the humidity.

  • @Sam-ot8lm
    @Sam-ot8lm 3 роки тому +12

    Wood orc build please! No pressure but it just sounds awesome!

    • @chisasa9509
      @chisasa9509 3 роки тому

      Wood orcs are not Bosmer and they are feral Orcs with Rabies.

    • @Sam-ot8lm
      @Sam-ot8lm 3 роки тому

      @@chisasa9509 I am aware that they aren't Bosmer. But I don't think they have rabies..

  • @Nixicated
    @Nixicated 3 роки тому +36

    No pressure, but some of us are still waiting for the Wood Orc build 😉

    • @Sam-ot8lm
      @Sam-ot8lm 3 роки тому +3

      Yes!

    • @JoeBlow95818
      @JoeBlow95818 3 роки тому

      sounds a lot like pressure ^^

    • @Nixicated
      @Nixicated 3 роки тому

      @@JoeBlow95818 🤫😜

    • @Nixicated
      @Nixicated 3 роки тому +1

      @You_guy Have you not heard our lord Drew speak of the mysterious wood orcs? oh! the audacity! 😲

    • @Brenticus12
      @Brenticus12 3 роки тому +1

      @You_guy for 7 years now, yeah

  • @MrAFREEGAMER
    @MrAFREEGAMER 3 роки тому +1

    What a treat to come home to after a hard day's work, thank you fudgemuppet for this podcast, really helps ease the mind

  • @SirAshford
    @SirAshford 3 роки тому +1

    Recently got Skyrim again on pc and was scouring the land for elven blood for good old Septimus Signus; Bosmer are few and far between.

  • @vallgron
    @vallgron 3 роки тому +1

    Speaking of running through forests without harming anything there's a thing in Irish history called The Seven Trials of the Fianna and one of them was to tie your hair back in a braid and race through the forest with three of the Fianna (warriors basically) chasing you if you broke a twig in your flight, your garments were torn by a single bramble, or if your pursuers laid claim to a single hair on your head, you would fail.

  • @bigdrippa6945
    @bigdrippa6945 3 роки тому +2

    the kidnapping sort of reminds me of a really warped version of changelings

  • @danielaponte3069
    @danielaponte3069 3 роки тому +2

    Interesting fact about revenge assimilating others into a clan role, some Native American tribes used to assimilate captives after a hazing process, perhaps this was the inspiration.

  • @adamthompson6669
    @adamthompson6669 3 роки тому +1

    My first character in special edition was a wood elf. Also Faendal has got to be the most popular wood elf I’ve ever known or met virtually 😉. Great port cast again team 🙏

  • @MorriganQueenGaming
    @MorriganQueenGaming 3 роки тому +1

    43:00 The best way in current industry to farm spider silk is by genetically modifying goats actually. Its a very interesting process. you modify the goats genome to allow it to express silk through its milk. The milk is then processes to harvest the silk. its called bio steel because as you guys were saying silk is actually quite strong. Love the show guys, you bring up very interesting lore.

  • @KommanderHooyah
    @KommanderHooyah 3 роки тому +6

    Going along with the theory that Tamriel was Aldmeris, I have a theory that perhaps the Bosmer were the original form of Aldmer. Perhaps Y’ffre gave the mer their form, then there was a migration to Summerset, followed by a a migration back to mainland Tamriel.

    • @EyeOfMagnus4E201
      @EyeOfMagnus4E201 2 роки тому

      I was thinking the same thing. That would explain much. 👍👍

  • @Ryhindor
    @Ryhindor 3 роки тому +1

    I've been using the green pact as an argument against vegans more and more! Their reaction never disappoints.

  • @Aethuviel
    @Aethuviel 3 роки тому +3

    People can be really creative on how to find loopholes in their religious or cultural rules. Like in India, hindus don't eat cows, but you know, water buffalo aren't TECHNICALLY cows, so they eat them instead.

  • @AhhWerdd
    @AhhWerdd 3 роки тому +4

    My favorite playable race 🥰 I wish they had the little antler options in Skyrim. Cute little fairy elf cuties.

    • @malachi8151
      @malachi8151 3 роки тому +1

      There's a mod for the antlers, you can select them in race menu. Using it myself :)

  • @thalmoragent9344
    @thalmoragent9344 3 роки тому +4

    28:45 Well, Y'ffre is in line with Auriel and the other Aldmeri. True Auriel isn't their top dawg, but not all Mer are descendant of just Auriel, it's the other Aldmeri gods as well.
    Y'ffre may have been betrayed by Lorkhan as well as the other Elven gods, but he as an Et'Ada had decided to just finish the job anyways, so some Bosmer won't like Lorkhan since he's the Anti-Elven God, but it's not as much of a battle against Man because, well... Y'ffre sacrificed his power to make up the Earthbones, and so the forest is the one part of Mundus they'd actually like.
    Overall, they won't like Lorkhan, but it makes sense they'd worship other Aldmeri gods because, well, Y'ffre is an Elven God. The Bosmer also have inherent Mer blood, as we know of the quest "Trancerning the Transmundane" or something like that.

  • @RevengeoftheEnts
    @RevengeoftheEnts 3 роки тому +1

    You'd think that adherents to the green pact would up and move to the desert where they can't accidentally snap branches or step on grass... But no. They live in a giant old growth forest xD

    • @brianroberts783
      @brianroberts783 3 роки тому +2

      The forest is the realm of the god they made the Pact with, so if they leave it they no longer have to abide by the Pact. Which results in some very confusing circular logic.

  • @azreon25
    @azreon25 3 роки тому

    Yo what Michael said about belief weakening the power of the green pact makes so much sense 😲

  • @mogulboi1152
    @mogulboi1152 3 роки тому +2

    Hey guys I just bought your merch on teespring and I just realized it is the first official youtuber merchandise I have ever bought. I have loved your content for so long! Keep it up!!!

    • @FudgeMuppet
      @FudgeMuppet  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks man! We appreciate the support :D

    • @mogulboi1152
      @mogulboi1152 3 роки тому

      @@FudgeMuppet Totally! Can't wait for you guys to hit a million subs. You totally deserve it!

  • @deadseven3474
    @deadseven3474 3 роки тому +2

    Would be cool if Bosmer had sharp teeth. I feel like their carnivorous nature would lean to them being like, needle-teethed or something.

  • @chloukscolor7905
    @chloukscolor7905 2 роки тому

    On the bones and arrows thing,
    Bird bones are actually pretty damn hollow compared to mammals’, which makes them very light and thus advantageous for flight. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the inspiration.

  • @michaeltelson9798
    @michaeltelson9798 3 роки тому

    In another book series, Recluse by L. E. Modesitt Jr. The druids of the Great Forest area produce great products without harming the forest. They don’t follow a Green Pact, but the forest seems to be sentient.

  • @ffa2dramachick
    @ffa2dramachick 3 роки тому +25

    Issued Challenge to Scott: one whole podcast without saying "Romantic".

    • @pinkithink3757
      @pinkithink3757 3 роки тому

      That’s like asking him not to gush over the dunmer whenever they’re brought up

    • @kyleshurmur-dg3kq
      @kyleshurmur-dg3kq 4 місяці тому

      Im surprised u can even hear him over michael the guy does nothing but interrupt scott when he goes to talk

  • @derstoffausdemderjoghurtis
    @derstoffausdemderjoghurtis 3 роки тому +4

    One of the biggest misconceptions is that medieval europe was forested. They chopped and burned everything down.

  • @eye12dye
    @eye12dye 3 роки тому +95

    Tallest women, shortest men, most fertility. There is hope.

    • @lliamlee5702
      @lliamlee5702 3 роки тому +6

      Death by snu snu

    • @symbiotesoda1148
      @symbiotesoda1148 3 роки тому +7

      *laughs in gay*

    • @oppionatedindividual8256
      @oppionatedindividual8256 2 роки тому

      @@symbiotesoda1148 ditto

    • @Saber23
      @Saber23 Рік тому

      What do you mean?

    • @dillongage
      @dillongage Рік тому

      ​@@symbiotesoda1148 pfft. That just means more for straight guys. You're basically a hero, wingmanning for the entire male gender at the same time 😂

  • @EpicPrawn
    @EpicPrawn 3 роки тому +4

    I never understood the need for Bosmer booze to be fermented milk and rancid meat juice, when they can eat honey and just have mead.

    • @zachheafner197
      @zachheafner197 2 роки тому

      It mead requires yeast if I recall correctly

  • @DrawnByDandy
    @DrawnByDandy 3 роки тому +2

    I think the forest being the Bosmer's best defense is far from coincidental. They respect the forest, and as a direct consequence and benefit of that, the forest protects them. By keeping the Green Pact, the Bosmer may never become an empire, but looking at the real world, empires hunger endlessly for more war and more expansion, until they eventually get too big to be logistically viable and collapse under their own weight. However, small communities living sustainably with their environments can and have maintained their way of life for far longer. A straight line that advances from, "tribal hunter gatherers" to, "industrialized empire" is perhaps a flawed way to look at civilizations.

  • @electricc437
    @electricc437 3 роки тому +6

    Where are the "arrow in the knee" jokes? I haven't been able to find them ever since i took an arrow in the knee a few years back.

  • @mitomen2000
    @mitomen2000 3 роки тому +1

    "They're a bunch of hippies in the bush."
    -Scott from FudgeMuppet, Elder Scrolls Expert

  • @chuckchuckerson5364
    @chuckchuckerson5364 3 роки тому

    Bone resin is made from bone. Also, the spinners are based of the Scandinavian mythologies "three spinners". The concept is that every person is a thread on a banner (which is all things), and they weave your fate together.

  • @sheogoraththedaedricprince9675
    @sheogoraththedaedricprince9675 3 роки тому +1

    In reality you can make a bow from the horns of rams or sheep. They can be backed with sinew and the string can be made from the same sinew. As for arrows yep they can be made from bone. As far as the shaft I have not found any evidence of arrow shaft being made from bone. Fetching is easy but, in bushcraft we used pine pitch a sort of tar. Not sure what they would have done to replace that.

  • @shawnberry760
    @shawnberry760 3 роки тому +1

    Was just thinking about bosmer! Thanks so much! Now I’m thinking about Bretons!!! Lol

  • @teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373
    @teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373 3 роки тому +1

    Sweeet!
    Happy to see another video by you fine folks.
    Bosmer are my go-to Mer, 2nd only to Dunmer!

  • @OrbitalDeathRay
    @OrbitalDeathRay 3 роки тому +1

    Bosmer sexual dimorphism reminds me of birds of prey. Males are smaller as the main hunters, allowing them to fly faster and maneuver better, and the females are larger to protect the nest and her offspring.

  • @smokingunstudios6474
    @smokingunstudios6474 3 роки тому

    It’s worth noting that even in the very early stages of human history if we lived around Forrest’s we would cut down smaller trees and rummage through the underbrush and create paths. So the huge enormous Lee thick Woodlands weren’t always necessarily A thing.

  • @willygoat4113
    @willygoat4113 3 роки тому +1

    Scott’s intros always get me so hyped.

    • @chisasa9509
      @chisasa9509 3 роки тому +1

      Scott's widows peak can be seen from High Rock.

  • @drewkennedy2480
    @drewkennedy2480 3 роки тому +3

    If the Green Pact prevents the Bosmer from killing vegetation, why can't they just wait until a tree naturally dies and then use the timber for crafting? I'm genuinely curious because that seems like it would fit into the other part of the Green Pact of not letting things go to waste.

    • @bijou3000
      @bijou3000 3 роки тому

      Because the other trees are watching, maybe? :)

    • @drewkennedy2480
      @drewkennedy2480 3 роки тому +1

      @@bijou3000 lol

  • @Vahmung
    @Vahmung 3 роки тому

    Valenwood would be an interesting place as there is clearly a big divide of life between the Bosmer that live in the cities and the Bosmer that live in the wild. Very Dunmer and Chimer sort of division. Would be interesting to see a full game take place here, only they don't have the sort of world ending-elder scroll needing-event that would be the focus here. Maybe an expansion should take place here. One thing I would like to know more about is the relationship to the Thalmor and how that dynamic is working. Are the Thalmor occupying cities? Acting as some sort of dynamic like Italy and Germany like during WW2?

  • @tsian7328
    @tsian7328 3 роки тому +12

    I was literally just watching your Archery starter guide when I noticed this was posted, what a strange coincidence haha

  • @Immortal_Fish
    @Immortal_Fish 3 роки тому +2

    when it comes to fantasy armor I don't want them to be the same as historical armor unless the culture in that fantasy world is inspired by real world, I want them to look out of our world while still looking practical
    I mean even real medieval armor was decorated and had fashion in them. say the brigandine didn't need to look like how it does to work as intended, but they made it look like that cause it was the fashion back in the day
    [Edit] also as a side note, the leathery armor you see when you search up brigandine are not what I would call brigandine, that's coat of plates. the more cloth like armor that forms around the waist is brigandine and has sheets of metal stacked on each other underneath

  • @sinninginshadows
    @sinninginshadows 3 роки тому

    I would say any lore reference between the dunmer and spider-silk is a Easter egg/nod to the drow and Lloth the spider queen from D&D forgotten realms, they make cloaks from magical spider silk and rely heavily on spider style motifs

  • @walpurgisnight7
    @walpurgisnight7 Рік тому

    I think the Bosmer and Dunmer have the most nuanced and detailed cultures in any game I've played. The writers really went all-in on the idea of alien cultures being completely contrary to popular beliefs and it makes for such interesting perspectives. Ritualistic, druidic cannibalism for the sake of protecting their environment before all else is so fucking weird but it just works for such a strange world.

  • @Im-Not-a-Dog
    @Im-Not-a-Dog 3 роки тому +2

    28:20 Best line in any of the podcasts.

  • @neotheresa
    @neotheresa 3 роки тому +7

    My friends wait a week for the new rwby episode every saturday. I wait for a new fudgemuppet podcast every sunday

    • @Ryhindor
      @Ryhindor 3 роки тому

      Rooster Teeth is dead since they gone woke! Same...

  • @FaolanHart
    @FaolanHart 3 роки тому +9

    Eeeeey finally. The only elf race I actually like in TES.
    Shall save this for later when I have more time.

    • @ltloxa1159
      @ltloxa1159 3 роки тому +1

      [FBI meme with tempel ordinators]
      You NEVER don't like Dunmer!

    • @FaolanHart
      @FaolanHart 3 роки тому +1

      @@ltloxa1159 lol, I mostly play Khajiit & Argonians. Followed by Bosmer & Orcs.
      Slavers, smug by nature, insanely xenophobic, dull homeland, extremely annoying "gods".
      Its all taste at the end of the day. But they're pretty much the only race I can't find anything to like about.

    • @ltloxa1159
      @ltloxa1159 3 роки тому +3

      Slavers and xenophobic goes for pretty much every race and smug by nature goes for half. Dull homeland I categorise as: No thats ridiculous, how could anyone even get that idea.
      As for the annoying gods, (I assume you mean the Almsivi and not the deadra) well from person to person you may find them annoying if you choose to see them as enemies, but they are easily the most interesting thing in the entire franchise.
      If they never made the content linked to the tribunal I personally think that would be worse than if they never made any of the content that isn't.

  • @chisasa9509
    @chisasa9509 3 роки тому +1

    Ooze is code for Blood. Hircine made the Wood Elves. Same way Azura made Dark Elves and the Kahjiit. Same way Boethia made Orcs.

  • @margesymph8906
    @margesymph8906 3 роки тому +1

    My favourite race since Morrowind

  • @threesofthree6100
    @threesofthree6100 3 роки тому +1

    Yeah I like my fantasy armors and weapons to be like one or two steps removed from reality, not way out the window.

  • @dancinggoat22
    @dancinggoat22 3 роки тому

    It would be so cool if when we get to the deepest part of Valenwood, Y'ffry is just a huge Hist tree and the ooze that the wood elves came from was actually their solid form came from eating Hist sap much like the Argonian race... 🤔

  • @BunnyOfThunder
    @BunnyOfThunder 3 роки тому

    I feel like certain uses of fruit and berries should be okay, as this can be done in a way that benefits-or at least doesn't harm-the plants.

  • @johntaylor9776
    @johntaylor9776 3 роки тому

    Im okay to die.
    Ive been waiting for this one for 34 episodes. Lol thank you! A tasteful discussion on (imo) an interesting and complex group in TES. I love em'!

  • @bacd-nn2lg
    @bacd-nn2lg 3 роки тому +1

    Angi is best archer, because she gives you super hard challenges.

  • @MrEXTREMETORTOISE
    @MrEXTREMETORTOISE 3 роки тому +16

    bosmer: kills burglar
    Also bosmer: its free real estate

    • @BaalFridge
      @BaalFridge 3 роки тому +2

      looks like dinner just got delivered

    • @redaethel4619
      @redaethel4619 3 роки тому +3

      Burglar, burger, same thing really.

  • @socuciusergalla3241
    @socuciusergalla3241 3 роки тому +5

    yea baby

  • @glprime2814
    @glprime2814 3 роки тому +2

    Smokin’ psychedelic beetles 😂🤣 -Scott

  • @mysteryman78
    @mysteryman78 2 роки тому

    I'm glad the wood elf race is evolving from the tribal way of life just hope they don't loose there culture in future games

  • @ErnestoCifer
    @ErnestoCifer 3 роки тому +4

    Regarding the kidnapping of a family member of a murderer's to intergate on their own:
    There are 2 real world traditions this may derive from
    In native american society conflict and war were the absolute last resort since most if not all of the tribes considered each other kin of some sorts, if there was a conflict between members of 2 tribes that resulted in a death, the victim's tribe would first demand compensation of some kind on the form of food or supplies.
    If push came to shove and 2 or more tribes had to fight only the warriors of those tribes would fight on a designated battlefield and the winning side would adopt all members of the losing side as family, they never enslaved one another because they believed every capable member has to do his part in growing crops or hunting
    Regarding pre-modern societies native americans were the most progressive and civilised

    • @ErnestoCifer
      @ErnestoCifer 3 роки тому +1

      @Faceless Ai No, they weren't.
      The opposite actually. Portayed as savage ruthless people. Lewis Henry Morgan had lived among the last traditionalist tribes and had researched their history and traditions extensively. Before the colonization of America they lived in simple agricoltural societies, with no need for conflict since there were vast lands seperating tribes therefore they had plenty of fields to grow crops and eoods to hunt in
      These are historical facts, not some romantisization thet they never faught because of noble reasons or such

  • @slurmsmckenzie1390
    @slurmsmckenzie1390 3 роки тому

    It makes sense that the arrows made of bird bones travel faster than ones made of bones made from a mammoth or other creature, cause bird bones are hollow iirc

  • @readytogame83
    @readytogame83 3 роки тому +2

    You guys are the best x

  • @Vernon013
    @Vernon013 3 роки тому +1

    Do y'all think that TES6 will build on Bosmer lore and maybe include the Wild Hunt ability or do you think they will retconn their lore. I would love it if you did episodes/videos on what you hope they build on lore wise per race. Keep up the great work!

  • @LostGenes
    @LostGenes 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @MrValentineful
    @MrValentineful 3 роки тому

    Obsidian is rapidly cooled lava. You can find giant fields of obsidian in areas that have known volcanic activity in the last few hundred years. I live near Mt. Hood in Oregon and I'm no more than two hours drive from being able to go and harvest hundreds of pounds of obsidian without ever digging or mining at all. Then you can process it using an antler in a process called knapping(pronounced napping) via both direct and indirect percussion to make blades with a sharper edge than any metallic blade that can be forged or cast. Knapping can be done with any silicate rich stone and is still practiced in 2021 by many thousands of people if not a couple million world wide.
    In short; making obsidian weapons is done without harming any plants and traditionally uses antler to process. Boot breaking the Green Pact in any way.

  • @Er1c661
    @Er1c661 3 роки тому

    Another banger video! I have a suggestion for the next podcast, u should do the Nordic empire as it’s unknown and really cool.