CARMINE PERSICO ORDERS GREG SCARPA'S NEMESIS TO MURDER A PROSECUTOR! - THE "JOE WAVERLY" STORY!

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  • Опубліковано 11 тра 2021
  • Colombo Family Boss, Carmine Persico, wanted a Federal Prosecutor dead. He entrusted this task to the fearsome Joel "Joe Waverly" Cacace. A man who had traded shots with Greg Scarpa, survived several assassination attempts and been involved in the death of 2 NYPD Officers.
    This American Mafia Documentary tells of Joe Waverly's involvement in the plot to assassinate William Aronwald, a Federal Prosecutor.
    This Cosa Nostra Story features mobsters from Mafia history including Anthony Casso, Larry Mazza, Greg Scarpa, Fat Tony Salerno, Tony Corallo, Vic Amuso, Vic Orena, Allie Boy Persico and more characters from across New York's Five Families.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 322

  • @bio-plasmictoad5311
    @bio-plasmictoad5311 3 роки тому +54

    Making a man eat his own testicle before killing him, that's nuts.

    • @greyjedi6430
      @greyjedi6430 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah I thought that was a bit much 🤣🤣🤣

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +12

      Larry Mazza told me that everyone was scared of Charles Panarella! It's not hard to see why!

    • @hannabarberry
      @hannabarberry 3 роки тому +7

      Literally nuts 😂

    • @sallobo777
      @sallobo777 3 роки тому +8

      Pretty common, to stuff that in the victim's mouth; it's a Sicilian message.
      Joe Colombo father had that done to him after he was caught fooling around with a made guy's wife (this was years before his son became Boss).

    • @lateron5253
      @lateron5253 3 роки тому +4

      @@sallobo777 It maybe some what common to stuff money into someones mouth, fire crackers, cutt the tongue out.. but i never heard of a guy making another guy eat...EAT his own pelota bro.. Thats not very "common" the question is was it common for Panarella too do?! lol I bet wise guys thought twice about crossing that guy... especially if that was "his thing"..

  • @jameskarins1717
    @jameskarins1717 3 роки тому +44

    Finally a guy who put in violent work, survived multiple assination attempts, didnt snitch, got a 20 year sentence in his 60s which should have been the end of him but now he is out and if he wanted to be boss of what is left of the Colombos the job would be is.

    • @larrysunde8878
      @larrysunde8878 3 роки тому +10

      Not a life that I would want to live

    • @jorikajorika
      @jorikajorika 3 роки тому +3

      Nahh maan, cacace is a solid guy, a real gangster... one of few, but Teddy and the guys are still in power and I don’t agree with the boss stuff

    • @paulmckenna9945
      @paulmckenna9945 2 роки тому

      @@jorikajorika yeah hes 2 old if he tried 2 take over he would be whacked

    • @sonnyvictor3584
      @sonnyvictor3584 2 роки тому +1

      Its either joe waverly or Teddy persico jr to run the game

    • @showmevids1984
      @showmevids1984 Рік тому

      Finally!

  • @mrmeerkat1096
    @mrmeerkat1096 3 роки тому +27

    Joe waverly is very cool under pressure. How he survives those attempts against his life are like something from a Hollywood movie, especially the one in the car. Another really good video.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +5

      Thanks again pal. Glad you enjoyed it.

    • @sonnyvictor3584
      @sonnyvictor3584 2 роки тому +4

      He literally lived the Hollywood movie life

    • @nickthompson2376
      @nickthompson2376 2 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ I love how in gaspipes ridiculous biography he goes on and on about how he hates rapists and than his own mentor was a convicted gang rapist. What an asshole

    • @teddykgb2450
      @teddykgb2450 Рік тому +1

      Now hes out of jail.

    • @christineindovino1044
      @christineindovino1044 10 місяців тому +1

      Yes, my father in law is a cool dude!

  • @haydndavies2248
    @haydndavies2248 3 роки тому +31

    Only 3 podcasts I watch on the mafia. Sammy the bulls podcast. The darkness underneath podcast and oc Shortz. This is up there with the first two. Always brilliantly done. 👍👍👍👍👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +8

      Many thanks Haydn - that is very kind of you to say. They both do excellent work.

    • @paulsmith708
      @paulsmith708 3 роки тому +3

      I definitely agree. Been waiting for a UA-cam channel like this to come around for years. The duration of them is always spot on.

    • @paulfleury1884
      @paulfleury1884 3 роки тому +3

      This is my favourite but Mobfax is a cool channel

    • @willmosse3684
      @willmosse3684 2 роки тому +2

      I don’t know The Darkness Underneath - will have to check that one out. And yeah, MobFax has some awesome footage

    • @darrenforest1492
      @darrenforest1492 2 роки тому +1

      @@paulfleury1884 I'm a mobfax fan too. Love the actual footage

  • @lavanella208
    @lavanella208 3 роки тому +6

    If you’re watching these videos you already know the players. These stories make it so damn good. Awesome channel.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks mate. Comments like yours make doing this worthwhile. Thank you.

  • @nagone11
    @nagone11 3 роки тому +11

    As super-deadly as Waverly was, and boy this guy was deadly, and capable of killing anyone, but taking out a Federal prosecutor was in fact insane. Great info in this video and one of the best channels on this subject of the mob!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Many thanks for this comment. Hearing things like this make doing worthwhile, thank you.

  • @freddybaez2472
    @freddybaez2472 3 роки тому +1

    Great video OG SHORTZ😎, plz keep them coming brother🖤!!!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Will do Freddy. Thank you.

  • @chadjones6313
    @chadjones6313 3 роки тому +8

    Another awesome video!! Joe Waverly was a vicious vicious man

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Chad. A great character to discuss that's for sure.

  • @jonasmercredi6170
    @jonasmercredi6170 3 роки тому +2

    Right on another great video keep them coming 👍

  • @jedgarren2901
    @jedgarren2901 3 роки тому +3

    I'm Rocking with ya,That was a great story,About hoods,I've never heard of,till tonight. Thanks for dropping off that knowledge with us,OC!
    We ALL appreciate TF outta you,Roadie! **SALUTE**

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Jed, I appreciate yours and everyone else's support with the channel.

  • @billsmith7145
    @billsmith7145 3 роки тому +1

    Another great video. Keep em coming. 👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you again Bill! Your support is really appreciated.

  • @scottsteel4230
    @scottsteel4230 3 роки тому +5

    👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍...These shortz never disappoint. Another fascinating story.🐱✌

  • @waltwilliams7063
    @waltwilliams7063 3 роки тому +1

    yours is the only channel i've ever subscribed to. if it's possible, your reporting has only gotten more concise.

  • @budgibson185
    @budgibson185 3 роки тому +2

    Great coverage of an amazing story

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Bud. Hope you are well pal.

  • @petermiller1565
    @petermiller1565 3 роки тому +4

    Excellent video, with some really good content. Also, reaching out to Larry for the proper pronunciation of Cacace was a good choice as it was spot on. Besides being a great guy, Larry is a good source. Your channel just keeps getting better.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Peter. Handy to have Larry to help out on these things!

    • @petermiller1565
      @petermiller1565 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Yes he is, especially when you have pain in the ass viewers like myself who bust balls over proper pronunciation. Lol.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@petermiller1565 😂 😂 😂 I encourage the ball breaking! I need to learn to get the names right so I welcome it! 😂 😂

    • @Owyourhurtingme
      @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому

      It’s Kuh kah che

    • @petermiller1565
      @petermiller1565 3 роки тому

      @@Owyourhurtingme Uhhh, actually that’s not how Joe Cacace pronounced it, he pronounced it Kuh-case. In the United States, Italian surnames ending in “ace” are almost always pronounce ace (like the ace of spades), not ochi. That being said I always defer to how the particular person in question pronounces it, and Joe Waverly Cacace pronounced it “ace”.

  • @Rockesb888
    @Rockesb888 3 роки тому +14

    Always thought his name was pronounced Kuh-Kah-Chee but I’ll definitely take Larry’s word for it. Great vid as usual.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      It was one of the options that I thought as well to be honest pal. I believe that the traditional European Italian pronunciation is similar to the one you have outlined. There is an Italian footballer with the same name and that is how his is pronounced.

    • @willmosse3684
      @willmosse3684 2 роки тому

      Yeah, I think standard Italian would be ka-KA-che or something similar. Southern Italian dialect might be something like ka-kach? I believe in Naples they tend to drop the last vowel sound, and in Sicily to some extent, though not as much as Naples. If you watch Joe Valachi’s extended testimony footage on MobFax’s channel, he drops the vowel on the end of every single Italian word. Masseria becomes Masseri, Maranzano becomes Maranzan. You can hear it completely throwing the congressmen who are questioning him, because they want to say the names with the vowel, but they also want to say it “correctly” like him, so they stumble and sound confused 😂. But any way, let’s go with Mazza’s “suitcase” pronunciation on this one as he knew the guy

    • @clintonfussell7385
      @clintonfussell7385 2 роки тому +1

      Your pronunciation is actually correct

    • @tomasmccarthy3060
      @tomasmccarthy3060 2 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ you have it right . It’s Ka - Case . I know .

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      @@tomasmccarthy3060 thank you.

  • @jessekauffman3336
    @jessekauffman3336 3 роки тому +1

    Love these videos

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Jesse. Enjoy your weekend.

  • @bagheera8980
    @bagheera8980 3 роки тому +1

    gold as always bud keep it up

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks again pal. Your support is appreciated mate.

  • @philipblair476
    @philipblair476 2 роки тому +2

    I was in FCI-Tucson w/ Joel “Joe”…they pronounced his name Cah-Kay-See. We never asked and he never mentioned…I guess we assumed it was correct. He’s a good dude… he never gave me anything extra but I can tell you I wasn’t ever without…not with him around. Not to say we were best friends but I spent many hours at his table, in his cell, not knowing who he really was…just chatting. He never came out of his cell, really….for chow, if it was something good…or, visitation. Every once in awhile for a little sun on the rec yard. I’m only saying this to say you would’ve never known he was a badass unless you KNEW he was a badass. Maybe that’s why he liked me, I didn’t know who he was and frankly didn’t care. We were all in there for a reason, didn’t really matter what for as long as it wasn’t a sex crime or ratting…TBH, not sure that really matters anymore, times have changed in there. Anyway, something happened to me in there that shouldn’t of happened. I almost died. It was fucked up but I spent my 35 days in the hole, never snitched, and I came out with my head held high. I guess that’s when I earned a little trust from Joe….. I’m not certain but it only makes sense. Joe never discussed anything about anything with me, why would he? But, he started to tell me a few stories. Before all this it was just advice…the way only old Italian’s can give. If you have a sound of what an old Italian mobster would sound like….that was Joe! He started to tell me about the war he had with Scarpa. Now, if you know anything about Scarpa… they didn’t call him the grim reaper for nothing. If he wanted you dead, you were dead! That is, unless your name was Joe Waverly. I’m on the edge of my seat and Joe’s talking like we’re playing a game of chess in the park. Maybe that’s how he did it…he’s calm, doesn’t get worked up, he even had a slight smile on his face.…I mean, like I said, I never even knew who Joe was until way later on. BUT, LET ME TELL YOU none of these stories portrayed are like anything it actually was! Oh, they’re true….but, compared to hearing it first hand from Joe…there’s no comparison. I really felt like typing this for a few reasons…one, the last name. It seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of how it’s pronounced. Not to say mine is correct but I never heard it said any other way and he never bothered to correct anyone, and two…I never once saw him carrying around a bag to piss in. Maybe he had one in there but I never once saw it and I spent many hours sitting in his cell not including how many dozens and dozens of times I took him back and forth to chow. When you’re in the feds you never know who you’re gonna run into. It’s not about the crimes it’s about the way you carry yourself. We were in with a welterweight boxing champion, guys that were the front runners to the movie “Blow” (btw, the hairdresser wasn’t really gay) … you just never knew who some of these old timers were til you got to know them. Joe, wherever you’re at, I hope you’re doing well. Even in dark places we always make good memories. You are one of mine…shared a lot of laughs, good stories, and much advice. You wouldn’t remember me from this excerpt but if we ever talked, you’d remember. It was a pleasure, my friend.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Philip, thank you so much for sharing your memories of your time with Joe Waverly. This was a really interesting to read and I appreciate you taking the time to write this comment. Many thanks .

    • @philipblair476
      @philipblair476 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I really debated whether or not to comment. I must’ve typed and erased it 3 times before I just said F-it. It really trippped me out when it all came out of who he was. Others knew, but I didn’t. Guess it didn’t matter to me either way, I just liked talking to the guy. Here I am, many months at his table in the cell and I’ve been talking to one of the biggest gangsters…maybe that’s why he liked me. I didn’t know…which probably made our conversations more genuine, more authentic. His stories, man…I couldn’t even imagine! Thanks for all you do, got a great channel! Keep it up!

    • @christineindovino1044
      @christineindovino1044 10 місяців тому

      He is doing great. Just enjoying time with his family.
      And yes, he is totally a cool dude, and a great grandfather.
      I also enjoy his stories, but live his advice even more!
      I will show him this.

  • @orlandomorales8177
    @orlandomorales8177 3 роки тому +16

    Only the Hitman sent to kill him knows how to pronounce his name now that's professional! Dedication.

  • @nickhealey3388
    @nickhealey3388 3 роки тому +5

    Another brilliant informative and researched video mate, definitely my fav mafia channel

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Nick. Appreciate the support pal

  • @williamcassone9290
    @williamcassone9290 3 роки тому +13

    WELCOME HOME JOE WAVERLY

  • @gavinbrando8255
    @gavinbrando8255 3 роки тому +5

    When I first read about Joe Waverley on ganglandnews back in the day I honestly couldn't believe what I was reading and the guy is out!!! He survived everything from shootings to Florence admax and trials that could of put him away forever for killing more than one cop. Amazing life.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      A fascinating character that’s for sure!

  • @RabbiaRabbia-ul7yi
    @RabbiaRabbia-ul7yi 3 роки тому +1

    Love them Columbos.
    Oc shortz you're working hard mate.
    Thanks

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha I enjoy it mate. The Colombos always provide a good story!

  • @darthcheney7447
    @darthcheney7447 3 роки тому +3

    Good shit man

  • @carmendiaz4455
    @carmendiaz4455 3 роки тому +1

    Great contact as usual. O.C. you never let me down

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks again Carmen

  • @danieldimino4622
    @danieldimino4622 2 роки тому +2

    Waverly is the kind of fella you always want on your side....a real deal tough S.O.B.

  • @rollotomassi8251
    @rollotomassi8251 2 роки тому +1

    Fear an old man
    in a young mans profession.
    Great upload you never let us Down!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks again mate

  • @paulmckenna9945
    @paulmckenna9945 2 роки тому +4

    Carmine was a Badass he was almost constantly at war, he survived several assassination attempts including being actull blown up + been shot several times he almost murderd Crazy Joe Gallos brother his supposed friend earning him his nickname The Snake

  • @paulsmith708
    @paulsmith708 3 роки тому +5

    Joe Waverley is like The Terminator.

  • @robertfalcone3025
    @robertfalcone3025 3 роки тому +6

    Yo I told you it was Ca- Case!.lol!....Its funny that you tasked Mazza..i had a couple issues with him too..
    Anyways another great video brother
    Talk to ya soon

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +5

      Ha I know pal. I'd messaged you both at the same time, you came back quicker, and then he reaffirmed what you told me. Thanks again mate!

    • @robertfalcone3025
      @robertfalcone3025 3 роки тому +2

      @@OCSHORTZ Your welcome brother Hit me up anytime

    • @Owyourhurtingme
      @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому +1

      @@Jason.cbr1000rr thank you! That’s correct. Kuh-Ka-che.

  • @evanb1470
    @evanb1470 3 роки тому +20

    No one could pronounce his surname so they called him Joe Waverly!

    • @colonelreb1014
      @colonelreb1014 3 роки тому +1

      Kuh-Kahse-ee

    • @Owyourhurtingme
      @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому +1

      It’s actually Kuh-Ka-Chee.

    • @colonelreb1014
      @colonelreb1014 3 роки тому +1

      @@Owyourhurtingme how about we go with a guy named Joe Cacace. See what he says.
      ua-cam.com/video/knKDyxbVkKY/v-deo.html

    • @burnleytilidie1882
      @burnleytilidie1882 3 роки тому

      @@colonelreb1014 🤣🤣

  • @markvegas7152
    @markvegas7152 3 роки тому +2

    Great story consistently excellent material you have here my friend presented in a friendly tolerable Style

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Mark, I appreciate the kind words pal.

    • @markvegas7152
      @markvegas7152 3 роки тому +2

      @@OCSHORTZ kind words based in reality are merely an observation about what is true now kind words based on fallacies are sneaky attempts to flatter for ulterior reasons you've got a great show here buddy the best wishes for you from here in the heart of the Bronx New York City

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@markvegas7152 in my five trips to NYC I yet to visit the Bronx. I'll have to pick your brains on good places to go next time I am over.

  • @shaundavenport621
    @shaundavenport621 3 роки тому +2

    THE best channel for true mob aficionado,s! So,does reaching out to your mob "friends " for info now make you an associate???lol.🙂👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +4

      haha far from it. I've liaised with Larry Mazza before regarding a few questions, and he has always been kind enough to respond. I'm still just a history nerd from England. ha

    • @shaundavenport621
      @shaundavenport621 3 роки тому +3

      @@OCSHORTZ Same here!😁👍

  • @WigSplitter655
    @WigSplitter655 3 роки тому

    Bro a wish you could do longer videos content top notch bro!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Maybe one day! I think around 10 mins of my British accent is enough for most people! haha

  • @petethegreek1736
    @petethegreek1736 3 роки тому +1

    Great video OC 🔥 The Colombos have got to be the most violent crime family in New York. They’ve survived three civil wars inside their borgota. I’ve also read that Charle Moose was not well liked within his crew. And that he was a greedy Captain taxing his men weekly whether they’d make a score or not.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      That is correct about Charlie Moose, good knowledge pal. Perisco apparently used this an excuse to ship him off to Vegas - allegedly Persico felt threatened by Panarella's closeness to Sonny Franzese, and worried they may plan to take over the family. I asked Larry Mazza about Charlie Moose, and he said that he was hated and greatly feared by everyone.

    • @petethegreek1736
      @petethegreek1736 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ thanks OC for the reply and additional information. You are a wealth of knowledge!
      Wishing you continued success 👍

  • @joseyeastwood
    @joseyeastwood 10 місяців тому +1

    Joe Waverley was not to be messed with deadly as they come great vlog as always.

  • @solhamer3502
    @solhamer3502 3 роки тому

    I'm now subbed, obviously 👌🏻

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you Sol. And many thanks for the positive feedback. I tend to upload on a Wednesday and Saturday.

  • @stevennunez2961
    @stevennunez2961 3 роки тому +2

    Hey buddy great video like always by the way how is that murder Inc book on the shelf does it say anything about Mr grey Frankie carbo thanks

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Been a while since I've read it. It's heavy going. Let me check if there is anything on Carbo.

    • @stevennunez2961
      @stevennunez2961 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ
      Thanks brother 👊👍

  • @jameskarins1717
    @jameskarins1717 3 роки тому +5

    Please do a video on barney bellomo supposed boss of the genovese family. There's not much info out on him and it seems like he is the most powerful mobster LCN

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Stop reading my mind! I have actually been planning one on him recently! Will probably have it done in a couple of weeks.

    • @jameskarins1717
      @jameskarins1717 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ looking forward to it bro. Keep the fire content coming.

    • @dutchybag
      @dutchybag 3 роки тому +1

      There is more than one bellomo in the mix, an uncle with the same name I believe.

  • @southie3177
    @southie3177 2 роки тому +1

    Great video 👍☘️👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal. Cacace is the real deal for sure.

  • @halfdayofthejackal9372
    @halfdayofthejackal9372 2 роки тому +1

    I've wondered about that pronunciation for YEARS! Cheers. I've deduced that the formal Italian, and dialect name pronunciations, are often bastardised by the seppos :)

  • @danieldimino4622
    @danieldimino4622 3 роки тому +1

    He's an old new York tough guy ...I love it

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Big time - Tough as a coffin nail!

  • @georgefromjungle5211
    @georgefromjungle5211 3 роки тому +2

    Probably more I know this person Persico, more I become sure that he was the most vicious mobster ever !

  • @VAcreeper
    @VAcreeper 2 роки тому +1

    Persico was a nut to even think about killing a prosecutor

  • @AY-qy4jn
    @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому +4

    Hey man can you talk about Jimmy Emma? He was the toughest guy Sammy the Bull ever met. Also can you talk about Sally Dambrosio, Charlie Moose, and Joe Jelly? Those guys were the most feared soldiers ever apparently.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Some great suggestions. I will add them to the list mate.

    • @cristianmihailovici906
      @cristianmihailovici906 3 роки тому

      I read somewhere about Joe Jelly amd D ambrosio.Just search in on youtube.should be there

  • @goolag6536
    @goolag6536 2 роки тому +1

    I was good friends with Carmine and Eddie Carinis younger Cousins. Their father did 25 years for a hit that Carmine and Eddie did. Someone told that he did not do it and he was eventually let out of Jail.. His name was also Carmine Carini. He got out than went back in for doing home invasions in Staten Island...This guy kept his mouth shut and did 25 years for a murder that his cousins did. Vinny Carmines son passed away at around 5 years ago. He was like 27. Than his brother Carmine was murdered last year by two of his friends.. It was on the news. They found carmine rolled up in a tarp and had cyder blocks tied to his feet and was dumped in the ocean in Broolyn..His body floated to the surface.
    Crazy. Back to Vinny and Eddie they were hitmen and were ordered to kill a judge by Carmine Persico who Persico felt had disrespected Cosa Nostra.. They wound up killing the Judges father who had the same name.
    Due to their mistake they were killed..The killers who killed Carmine and Eddie went to their funeral and Joel Waverly pointed the guys who they had kill Carmine and Eddie out at the funeral and than had them killed..That's a movie and book right there..And it's a true story.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      And don’t forget that Waverly married Enrico “Eddie” Carini’s widow! Crazy stuff.

  • @brandongardner7398
    @brandongardner7398 3 роки тому +2

    I had a white 86' Fleetwood Cadillac just like that. It was my first car. Wow, that car brings back memories...lol

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Did it come in a convertible at all? The one Frank Smith had that the Carini brother was killed in was a convertible. The picture quality was poor so I didn't use it in the video.

    • @brandongardner7398
      @brandongardner7398 3 роки тому +1

      Nah brother, it was just a plain ole white rag top. The one in the video looked just like it though. I think that one in the video was probably an 84', but mine was an 86'. Those old Cadillacs were tanks dude...lol

  • @mikehinkley3468
    @mikehinkley3468 3 роки тому +2

    How about some content on the most successful LCN family in America?
    The Detroit combination.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      I will definitely cover them but there are some guys out there like Scott Burnstein and Gunner Lindbloom who are far more qualified than me to talk about that subject. Saying that I may well get them on for an interview.

  • @pattskatoey3139
    @pattskatoey3139 3 роки тому +5

    You are a great dot connector just like David Icke.

  • @ryansnr
    @ryansnr 3 роки тому +1

    Could listen to these mob stories all day 👌

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you pal. Some fascinating stories out there that's for sure.

    • @ryansnr
      @ryansnr 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Keep it up m8, your videos are very insightful 👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@ryansnr thank you. I don't profess to be an expert or anything, I just enjoy sharing interesting information that I have researched. Glad you like them.

  • @leebowens2631
    @leebowens2631 3 роки тому +5

    That darn Snake !!! Larry Gallo made you shed your skin he just didn't take your head off !

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Nicely put Lee.

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому

      Larry gallo disrespected himself and also other people. He thought he was a alot tougher than what he really is. He foolishly released all of the hostage capos and then trusted the snake

    • @leebowens2631
      @leebowens2631 3 роки тому

      @@AY-qy4jn So I'm assuming you think Larry Gallo had a crystal ball and would know that Persico had switched side huh? Is that your thought? If so it's makes no sense what so ever, I agree releasing the hostages and trusting old man Profaci was a very bad Idea ,Larry was a well respected guy not only by members of the Profaci- Colombo family but from high ranking and soldiers from other Borgata's some other wise guy may have been clipped for kidnapping his families administration but he became a aid to Joe Colombo and he died from cancer not a bullet or a garrote and it's possible if he had lived beyond 1968 he'd eventually be the father of that family.

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому

      @@leebowens2631 crazy joe also didnt have a crystal ball but he knew they had to kill the hostages. Do you think Carmine had the crystal ball when he knew he had to kill Mimi Scialo to become the boss of the family? Nobody has crystal ball but they are tough or cunning enough to do whats necessary to do. So i think joey had to be the boss of the gallo gang.

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому

      @@leebowens2631 but other than that no disrespect to Larry Gallo. He had the balls to go against a boss and that makes him more daring than almost all of the mobsters

  • @rjjaxx9135
    @rjjaxx9135 Рік тому +1

    That kidnapping story in the beginning was crazy waverly was a beast a monster took on 3 armed kidnappers unarmed managed to take a gun from one a do his thang wat a gangsta gotta give it up to him and give him his props for that he made them niggas run away a buried another he was a real G wow that was some gangster shit!!!!!!!

  • @bigquaalude.9057
    @bigquaalude.9057 2 роки тому

    Never knew of joe waverly but I’m gonna be doing some deep diving ritenow

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      You won't be disappointed.

  • @solhamer3502
    @solhamer3502 3 роки тому

    Reckon you'll do more videos on Greg Scarpa?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Definitely. There are many Scarpa stories out there to dissect and discuss.

  • @stanleymalcolm9799
    @stanleymalcolm9799 2 роки тому +1

    OC please please if possible do longer videos l enjoy all your work l do find the MOB interesting l can say you are about the best in the Uk with your research is always on point thanks oc genius 👍👍🙃

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Very kind of you to say Stanley. Maybe one day I will do a few longer ones. Unfortunately at present "real life" gets in the way so I can only spare by the time for these shorts. Glad you are enjoying the channel.

  • @MrStrongbox
    @MrStrongbox 11 місяців тому +1

    The only reason its pronounced "Kah-Case" is because he was born in America. Many Italian families anglicized family names. I can give many examples of this. His name is authentically pronounced, "Kah-Kah-Chay". This is accurate and in accordance with the Italian language. I find it interesting that so many American mob guys are so oblivious to their true roots.

  • @AnnQlder
    @AnnQlder Рік тому +1

    I appreciate your work enormously. One favour though, can you please put the names of people under their photo?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому +1

      Thank you Zane. I tend to label a large proportion of the photos in most videos. It really depends on the time I have to edit them.

    • @AnnQlder
      @AnnQlder Рік тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ I think your channel will be really big soon, I appreciate how time consuming it must be and I thank you for getting back to me 😊

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому

      @@AnnQlder any time Zane. Thank you for your support.

  • @nelstar4676
    @nelstar4676 3 роки тому +8

    maybe Allie Boy was innocent of that specific crime, it's one of the only reasons I can think of as to why he targeted that specific prosecutor.

  • @eldragon4076
    @eldragon4076 3 роки тому +3

    I see Bill O'Reilly just published "Killing the Mob" book. I am curious if you are interested in reviewing it?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      I will check it out for sure, and could well do a review.

  • @bobbydrake07017
    @bobbydrake07017 3 роки тому +1

    Tough As Nails 😎😎😎

  • @just_golds
    @just_golds 3 роки тому +2

    Woooaaaahhh you dropped something......its alright....its only the name of Larry Mazza lol

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      haha It was more so that people didn't give me grief on the pronunciation of Cacace.

    • @just_golds
      @just_golds 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ only fucking about,great channel bro

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@just_golds ha I could tell pal. 😂

  • @seankeikbusch9404
    @seankeikbusch9404 3 роки тому +2

    I gotta like any vid that even mentions the idea of a persecuter getting whacked.

    • @j2times2006
      @j2times2006 3 роки тому +3

      They should have wacked your English teacher

    • @mrmeerkat1096
      @mrmeerkat1096 3 роки тому +1

      @@j2times2006 😂😂😂

  • @leebowens2631
    @leebowens2631 3 роки тому +3

    That darn Charlie Moose put two in the back of the ear of his so called amico Mimi Scialo, one guy that Moose wouldn't screw around with was Salvatore ( Sally D) D' Ambrosio.

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому

      Can you please tell everything you know about charlie moose and also about sally? Who was the tougher of the two of em? Those two guys were the toughest of the colombo family yet so little is known about them? I wanna know why Sonny Franzese claimed that Sally was the toughest guy in new york. Thanks in advance

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому

      I heard it was Greg Scarpa who put two behind Coney Island Mimi, under orders from Charlie Moose and the Snake

    • @blackwolverine1
      @blackwolverine1 3 роки тому

      Mimi fucked with the right one when according to sources disrespected Carlo Gambino. Word has it Gambino took it all in stride quietly. Next thing you know Scialo was found dead deep under the floor at Otto's Social Club in Brooklyn encased in CONCRETE.

    • @AY-qy4jn
      @AY-qy4jn 3 роки тому +1

      @@blackwolverine1 nah that has nothing to do with his demise. He was getting more and more powerful and had his own personal killers and he didnt let the family know about their names. Carmine had him killed before he killed Carmine. Don Carlo didnt do shit when Mimi talked shit that night.

    • @blackwolverine1
      @blackwolverine1 3 роки тому

      @@AY-qy4jn Because thats not The Don's style partner. Maybe what you have stated maybe true, or just one of the reasons for his demise. But i can bet you Gambino secretly had a hand in his demise.

  • @mitchwills6319
    @mitchwills6319 3 роки тому +4

    The columbos are wild

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      They had some serious guys that's for sure.

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +3

      @@OCSHORTZ there all violent.

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому

      Franky notch lived with me .he was like my brother .his father was joe Colombo bodyguard .great man .helped me

  • @pauliedibbs9028
    @pauliedibbs9028 Рік тому +2

    I am fluent in Italian and can tell you that his name is actually pronounced "Caca-Che" ... yes, that is how it would be pronounced in Italian...

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому +1

      Yes I totally agree. However the name has been Americanized, and even a relative of his confirmed that they all say Ca-Case.

    • @pauliedibbs9028
      @pauliedibbs9028 Рік тому

      @@OCSHORTZ Something tells me Joe didn't like the sound of "Caca" growing up lol

  • @ozmunky
    @ozmunky 3 роки тому +2

    Must be time for a few jars in London when you're in town.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha we will sort this soon

  • @kelliebaliyah3632
    @kelliebaliyah3632 3 роки тому +2

    I wonder if they took the cigar from fat Tony salerno when he went to prison?😂 I wonder if he had withdrawal...And how horrible was the one made guy eat his testicle before killing him.ewwwwww.😯.
    Anyway LOVE the stories and the channel. Stay safe everyone.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      He still had his cigars in prison. There are a few photos showing him with them right up until his final days. Glad you are enjoying the videos!

    • @colinjames3080
      @colinjames3080 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ do you have the photos

  • @1cugine359
    @1cugine359 10 місяців тому

    Scarpa messed up by using a .22 Rifle. A .22 is good for walking up behind someone or at a distance with a scope but not for a gun fight.

  • @FranciscoGarcia-yj1tv
    @FranciscoGarcia-yj1tv 2 роки тому +2

    We need more Charlie Moose stories.

    • @dsd7004
      @dsd7004 2 роки тому

      Yes, more info on the capos of the 60s/70s

    • @AndyB718
      @AndyB718 Рік тому

      He did one,check out his collection.

  • @taxfree4
    @taxfree4 2 роки тому +3

    Waverly got his name from Waverly Florist, the business he took over from the Horowitz Family. They lived on the next block, East 14th between Aves. T & U , which is the block I grew up on. I knew both Alan and Gary Horowitz, they had a sister too. Anyway in the back of the florist Joel had the "Blue Door" after hours club, very popular with the locals.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Thanks for the additional knowledge on the Horowitz family. I knew about his florist but didn't know who previously owned it. Many thanks mate.

  • @drilladelphia7560
    @drilladelphia7560 2 роки тому +1

    All of Charlie mooses crew ended up being heavyweights , he sure knew how to pick n groom em 💯

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Yes mate, some serious individuals in his crew

  • @RbBski
    @RbBski 2 роки тому

    Another gooder

  • @cageragemalia
    @cageragemalia 2 роки тому

    Help me out here - You refer to Larry Mazza as Colombo associate , yet Mazza claims to have been made - What’s your opinion OC ?

  • @waltersobchak7275
    @waltersobchak7275 3 роки тому +1

    Intratec-9 alway jams. He is right.

  • @klackon1
    @klackon1 2 роки тому

    What amuses me, is that these criminals end up dead at the hands of other crims, serving long prison sentences and/or turn informant. What a bunch.

  • @tracyshoemake9686
    @tracyshoemake9686 3 роки тому +2

    Joe is in the half way house now

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      That what i heard, apparently in the same one as Teddy Persico.

    • @christineindovino1044
      @christineindovino1044 10 місяців тому +1

      He is now living with family.

  • @9doe212
    @9doe212 2 роки тому +1

    5:15 Scarpa Was a old Wild crazy mother Dude.🤔...

  • @gerardhines5884
    @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +2

    Greg shot him out of spite . He also shot joe flowers for no reason except because he didnt like him

    • @007tobler
      @007tobler 3 роки тому +2

      and for being right

  • @TheSaxon.
    @TheSaxon. 2 роки тому

    To be fair, the reason for the hit was probably clear and obvious to Persico, we just don't know what those reasons were.
    There are so many conversations, accusations, deals, actions and personal/family slights that take place and we will never hear about them and they can lead to anything.

  • @aron7439
    @aron7439 3 роки тому +2

    👍🏻😎🍸

  • @AndyB718
    @AndyB718 Рік тому +1

    Charlie The Moose was my Foreman and was very cool to all of us.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому

      Thank you for sharing your first hand knowledge Andrew. It is certainly appreciated

  • @jessekauffman3336
    @jessekauffman3336 3 роки тому +1

    I live in jersey

  • @MrBrianJoseph
    @MrBrianJoseph 2 роки тому

    Oc who do you think was the most ruthless mobster ever ? Scarpa ?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Ooooh BIG QUESTION... I'm going to have to have a think on that one and get back to you. ha

  • @ddilink
    @ddilink 3 роки тому +1

    It would be helpful if you put the name of the person on the photo.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your feedback Vincent. I will endeavour to do this where possible in future. Good idea.

  • @jorikajorika
    @jorikajorika 3 роки тому

    Hey shortz you are clearly mistaken if u think that in 97 Casso who at this time was shelved and turned informer, would have some connection to these guys

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Pretty sure I said 1987.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Just rewatched - definitely said 1987 - you had me worried then ha

  • @domb5513
    @domb5513 2 роки тому +1

    Badass? The guy's a cold-blooded psychopath. These stories are interesting, but reading through the comments and listening to some of the words used, you do wonder if people have some kind of weird respect for mafia murderers

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      The dictionary definition of "badass" is "a tough, uncompromising or intimidating person." It can't be argued that Joe Waverly doesn't fit these characteristics. This does not glorify him, and by no means do I have that intention. You may be interrepting "badass" in another way, perhaps in the way some people refer to it in a good way.

  • @solhamer3502
    @solhamer3502 3 роки тому

    Most LCN Italian-Americans anglicise/mispronounce each other's names. I'm never sure whether to say them the Italian way or the Italian-American way.
    Anyway, enjoying your vids bro, glad I found your channel. Hope your sub count goes to the moon!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      That is indeed the dilemma I have had.Sol I have looked at the traditional Italian pronunciations, and then been told that in the states it has been anglicised! There is an Italian Footballer with the surname Cacace and it is pronounced Cah-Cah-Chee.

  • @dxtxzbunchanumbers
    @dxtxzbunchanumbers 3 роки тому +1

    Santora was a low level guy. Might have been associated with the Colombos, but his family were mostly Gambino guys.

  • @farrockawayboyz6881
    @farrockawayboyz6881 Рік тому

    I wonder when Mr Waverly is alone with only his thoughts was it all worth it

  • @leemontoya8028
    @leemontoya8028 2 місяці тому

    What a bowl of Spaghetti! ;👍🏽

  • @martingrey2231
    @martingrey2231 2 роки тому

    If you are in the Mafia set aside some of your ill gotten gains to have someone else handle your laundry.

  • @gerardhines5884
    @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +3

    Arnwold .sentenced lil ali boy .and theres way more .to the story

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks Gerard - would you care to elaborate pal. I'm always keen to fill in the gaps to the stories.

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ the prosecutor was on lil ali boys case .also joey testa and anthony senter were back up shooters .he sent carmines son away .and the got the father by mistake .

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +1

      If your ever in newyork we will meet up .ill fill you in on good stories .but like i said i wont jam anyone up .i grew up with all these guys .i could write a book trust me.

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому

      Ooo

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@gerardhines5884 ill definitely take you up on that offer pal.

  • @richardsmith7322
    @richardsmith7322 2 роки тому +1

    Charlie the moose makes the guy eat his ball then Waverly gets a ball shot off what is it with this guy in laundry Mats and nut Sachs

  • @jamesmacdonald9120
    @jamesmacdonald9120 2 роки тому

    Santaro brung mafia cops in to picture casso never knew this

  • @TupDigital
    @TupDigital 3 роки тому

    *Charlie Moose: "Heah, why don't ya eat ya testa-cull before we kill you, eh?"

  • @Owyourhurtingme
    @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому +1

    Proper pronunciation, in Italian, is Kuh-kah-che. Americanized versions vary. I would know because it’s my family name.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      That's correct Stan. There is an Italian Soccer player where the pronunciation is Kuh-Kah-che, but you are right it has been Americanized. I have been advised, not just by Larry Mazza, but now by a relative of Joe Waverly that in this instance it is pronounced Ca-Case as in suitcase. How does your family say it? The traditional Italian way or in another variant?

    • @Owyourhurtingme
      @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ Well, all my Italian immigrant family members pronounce it proper as Kuh--Ka-Che. But growing up, all my friends and teachers in school would say Kuh-Case or Kuh-Kay-Zee, hence my nick name “Crazy Cacace”, lol. My own children go by Kuh-Kay-zee and my brothers children go by Kuh-kah-che and the vast majority of my Brooklyn cousins go by Kuh-Case. Sometimes I wish I was called Smith.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@Owyourhurtingme 😂😂😂 i bet. Someone told me that when Joel Cacace was all over the news, each reporter on every channel had different way of saying the name. Most of them are the ones you've just listed!

    • @Owyourhurtingme
      @Owyourhurtingme 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ ua-cam.com/video/hRa7hroDess/v-deo.html - then there’s the famous British dancer Flavia Cacace. Note the way it’s pronounced here.

  • @jamestakacs
    @jamestakacs 3 роки тому

    I wouldn't have started a fight with Gregory Scarpa. When you make a date with The Grim Reaper, you don't come home.

    • @blackwolverine1
      @blackwolverine1 3 роки тому +1

      There where other Mobsters just as, and even more vicious then him.

  • @just_golds
    @just_golds 3 роки тому

    And if anyone's wondering what joe he's talking about its joe Waverly ok 👌, you got it, it's joe waverly,joe with Waverly on the end,so we'll call him on here (so your not confused)as joe Waverly,because I could mention another joe not joe Waverly but a different joe without Waverly on the end but I'm not so we'll keep it joe Waverly,you got it now Waverly.....a Mr j.Waverly 🤌capiche 🤌

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha okay maybe I overkilled it on the use of his name.

  • @MrDannyNoTranny
    @MrDannyNoTranny 3 роки тому

    8 ads on a 11min video???? UA-cam is making me hating more and more products, i make sure not to buy anything they show when they go to the extremes. I understand 1 or 2 ads, but 8?????

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      I genuinely had no idea it was that many!