3 CAPOS MURDERS - 4th MOBSTER SHOT? - Who was the forgotten 4th victim in HIT - BONANNO FAMILY

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  • American Mafia History - As seen in Donnie Brasco - The Bonanno Crime Family were approaching Civil War. Three rebel Capos, Sonny Red, Philip Giaccone and Dominick Trinchera were murdered in a gangland hit. But there was a forgotten fourth mobster also shot that night in the basement. Watch the story involving Joe Massino, Sonny Black, Paul Castellano and Vincent Chin Gigante.

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  • @charlesbarboza8591
    @charlesbarboza8591 2 роки тому +44

    “Don’t ever do that again, if you gotta Die, Die”!!! Well, that was some solid advice from a dear friend. 😂🤣😂🤣

  • @MrOtis07
    @MrOtis07 3 роки тому +28

    I honestly believe you have the best channel on the internet for organized crime. It’s amazing how on point you are with the info. Great job mate...

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +6

      That is very kind of you to say. I don't profess to be an expert I just enjoy the research and sharing interesting information. Thanks for your support.

    • @antoinesilva1527
      @antoinesilva1527 2 роки тому +3

      @@OCSHORTZ Why did it seem like “Rusty” Rastelli was not that respected?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +4

      @@antoinesilva1527 I can't speak to him being disrespected. But I get your point. Galante was more feared and even Massino even made a disparaging remark about Rusty. I think the fact that Rastelli spent all but 3 years of his reign locked up probably didn't help.

    • @mrno_name9518
      @mrno_name9518 Рік тому

      He Is it ain’t even close, when it comes to facts

  • @forcemajeur.5138
    @forcemajeur.5138 3 роки тому +20

    Do the Rizzuto story you said was "for another day" lol I think that 'day' has come. haha

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +6

      hahaha I promise I will get to them! I think they will need at least a three video series though! haha

    • @forcemajeur.5138
      @forcemajeur.5138 3 роки тому +2

      @@OCSHORTZ Yeh Canada is a heavy subject and its not exactly calm there now lol. There are prolly some good Carlos Marcello stories too.

    • @hanschouwman4536
      @hanschouwman4536 3 роки тому

      0

  • @quaysteffan9648
    @quaysteffan9648 6 місяців тому +2

    Holy Mafioso that was a great clip. So much information I had to back it up 3 times!!
    Good stuff as always.

  • @ChattinWithStaxxShow
    @ChattinWithStaxxShow 3 роки тому +9

    great post man 💯 pt 2 of my interview with Anthony (Hootie) Russo will be out today

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Nice, if you don't mind I might give your youtube channel a shout out on my Instagram at some point.

  • @sallobo777
    @sallobo777 2 роки тому +10

    Philip Giaccone nephew said in a interview that he was at his uncle's house the day of the meeting a few hours before.
    There was a phone call and he picked the phone; on the other line there was a voice that did not identify themselves but said 'tell your uncle not to go to the meeting; it's a set up' and they hung up.
    The nephew said he told Philip Giaccone the message, but was not sure if his uncle was concerned about it.

    • @natemyers4946
      @natemyers4946 Рік тому +2

      Some people said it was Donnie Brasco but Joe Pistone never acknowledged that he did so who knows

  • @Josh_you_uh
    @Josh_you_uh 3 роки тому +11

    Wow great video, I never knew who was in on the galante hit and didn’t realize that many people were at the 3 capo murder

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks pal. Yeah, a surprising amount in that basement, no wonder Santo Giordano got accidently hit. A couple of the attendees I believe weren't in on the hit - I think it was Joe Zicarelli and Nick the Battler, but were invited to make the Rebel faction feel safe. Completely different from what we see in Donnie Brasco right?! Thanks for your support.

  • @scottsteel4230
    @scottsteel4230 3 роки тому +7

    These shortz are SO much more than just snapshots. These are amazing mini documentaries. Excellent work once again. Bravo from Scott & Bull.🐱✌🇮🇹

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Scott and Bull - In this particular video, please forgive my pronunciations of Lino and Sciascia.

    • @scottsteel4230
      @scottsteel4230 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Don't apologize. We ALL have mispronounced names. Anyone that says that they haven't is lying. 🐱

  • @lavanella208
    @lavanella208 3 роки тому +16

    Always wondered how that hit really went down. Keep up the good work! Love these videos! Maybe some stuff on Nicky Scarfo/Crazy Phil, Tony Accardo, Sammy the Bull...great book in the background by the way...Greg Scarpa

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +6

      Thanks pal. I've got a few videos planned out. Scarfo is amongst them. I'll def do Accardo, but I think Sammy the Bull probably has his own monopoly on his stories at present! 😂😂😂 Thanks for the support mate.

    • @lavanella208
      @lavanella208 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Amen lol follow his channel too. Thanks for the reply back!

  • @big_time9484
    @big_time9484 2 роки тому +5

    You tell the story of the killings of the 3 capo's with Great Detail, Passion and Understanding...Thank you "Friend Of Ours"😌😊🎇

  • @brett1050
    @brett1050 2 роки тому +6

    I paused at 3:18 just to thumbs up as always 👍 and I just love the inside deep digging you guys do for these incredible storys. From Pensacola, FL. USA. Keep this good stuff coming please 🙏 🙂

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +2

      Glad you are enjoying the videos Brett. What's the weather like in Pensacola like at the moment?

  • @laylamoneroe1553
    @laylamoneroe1553 3 роки тому +15

    😂 I’m crying lol “ don’t ever do that again if you’re gonna die DIE”

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Haha I know right?!

    • @lukapopovic6668
      @lukapopovic6668 3 роки тому +3

      That's how Sony Black chose to die

    • @laylamoneroe1553
      @laylamoneroe1553 3 роки тому +3

      @@lukapopovic6668 yes real stand up guy who owned up to his mistake!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +5

      @@lukapopovic6668 that's right pal. You have to say he Sonny took it like a real man.

    • @380fade
      @380fade 3 роки тому +7

      Sheeesh! "if you gotta die, DIE??" That would've been my last day with those idiots!!! Smh They were extremely stupid!!!!

  • @MrOtis07
    @MrOtis07 3 роки тому +3

    I gotta say you really do your homework. This is a great channel . Hands down.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks pal. I really appreciate that.

  • @roncur
    @roncur 3 роки тому +13

    Another amazing video. It’s beyond me where you research this information. Lol. Much respect

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      I can recommend a few sources including the testimonies of Vitale and Massino. For this subject and the Rizzutos start with "The Sixth Family" by Adrien Humphries and Lee Lamothe.

    • @roncur
      @roncur 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ u da man. Thanks

  • @waltersobchak7275
    @waltersobchak7275 3 роки тому +12

    The reason I like this channel so much is because of the way you dig up obscure little known facts. It challenges the viewer to think. Safe to say I really dig what you are doing.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      Your continued support is always appreciated. Thanks again.

  • @ozmunky
    @ozmunky 3 роки тому +10

    Fantastic stuff -- there is some really great content on this subject out there now. This is right up there with the best.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Many thanks pal. Very kind of you to say

  • @donnellvickers6314
    @donnellvickers6314 3 роки тому +3

    Wow such DETAILS, what a Channel.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you again Donnell. Please forgive any mispronounced names that you may hear, but I am glad you are enjoying the content.

  • @meztizo_americano86
    @meztizo_americano86 2 роки тому +6

    Tommy Pitera was on the red team and survived

  • @PabloM-ny1vd
    @PabloM-ny1vd 3 роки тому +4

    So much detail in a short video , and and again , well told

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      I'm really glad you said that, because that's essentially my aim. Thanks pal.

  • @Nicholas___....
    @Nicholas___.... 3 роки тому +9

    Lino family besides Frank was Eddie, Robert, little Robert, Frank jr. Skutch, Joey Cigars, Fat Sally.
    Frank only cooperated after Vitale and Massimo.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      That's right Nicholas - good knowledge. It's crazy how many of that family were involved in "the life"

  • @schoolgangsta1358
    @schoolgangsta1358 3 роки тому +5

    Love the hat ahaha! Congratulations for the video and the subscribers🔥😎🇮🇹

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal. Hahah didn’t get time to shave the head so had to cover the fuzziness! Closing in on 1000. I genuinely can’t believe it, and 99% of people have been very supportive on here.

    • @schoolgangsta1358
      @schoolgangsta1358 3 роки тому +2

      @@OCSHORTZ I think you deserve this friend!

  • @riley6312
    @riley6312 3 роки тому +6

    exellent told and explained, always wondered what Sal Vitale told about this hit,on his cross examination, have been trying for years to get the cross examination, i know some people has it

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Have you read the Massino testimony mate?

  • @spiroscicluna
    @spiroscicluna 3 роки тому +4

    Amazing man! Hope this channel takes off for you bud

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Matthew! I really appreciate that! I don't profess to be an expert on the subject, I just enjoy sharing interesting information that I have researched. Thank you so much for your support.

    • @spiroscicluna
      @spiroscicluna 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Of course mate, once of all the Die Hard Sopranos fans find out about this channel it'll explode! Awesome work

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@spiroscicluna ha well fingers crossed

  • @tommyphil4713
    @tommyphil4713 3 роки тому +2

    Great breakdown! Love this channel

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks pal. Appreciate the support!

  • @michaelpost4457
    @michaelpost4457 Рік тому +3

    It's so crazy that I was 5 weeks old when this was happening. I asked my parents if they ever heard about stuff like this happening and they said no. It's crazy because of something like this were to happen today everyone would know about.

  • @MrCraigDNelson
    @MrCraigDNelson 3 роки тому +2

    I like how you present, right to the point, great info

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thank you Craig. Very kind of you to say.

  • @j.w.gutierrez7824
    @j.w.gutierrez7824 3 роки тому +4

    Good job man, really enjoying your videos. Really enjoying all the information that is uncommonly heard, if at all. Keep it up brotha. Love from CR 🇨🇷

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal. Just trying to offer something a bit different. Many thanks for the support. Will have a new video uploaded at the weekend.

    • @j.w.gutierrez7824
      @j.w.gutierrez7824 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ hell ya man, I will be looking forward to all your work my friend!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@j.w.gutierrez7824 appreciate that pal. 👍

  • @brett1050
    @brett1050 2 роки тому +3

    Finally another person just like me just as intrigued.. love this channel

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Thank you Brett. Have a great weekend.

  • @clfn85
    @clfn85 3 роки тому +7

    The best part is when the called in frank lino, and told him he wouldn’t be killed if he came in. He was told by George from Canada and another bonano solider “ don’t ever do something like that agai , I’d you gotta die, die” that’s some real mafia shit right there .

  • @ryancwatson5349
    @ryancwatson5349 3 роки тому +3

    Best Mob content out. You're on point bro 👌 💯

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Very kind of you to say pal. Thank you.

  • @frankjones8604
    @frankjones8604 3 роки тому +7

    Love your channel. Keep em coming. Just an FYI Frank’s last name pronounced Lee-no. He was the cousin of Gambino memeber Eddie Lino who was murdered by the mafia cops.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha - sadly I am fully aware, I had been calling him and all his relatives Lee-no for years but then before I did the video I ran the name through the an Italian pronunciation app and it said LY-no - so I changed it - argghhhhh very frustrating! Should have stick with what I originally thought.

    • @frankjones8604
      @frankjones8604 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ to funny- Go figure. Hope the channel explodes. Great channel for organized crime junkies like me. I’ve read a ton of books and the insight you provide in some of these stories is remarkable. Watching from Boston

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@frankjones8604 thank you frank, I really appreciate that.

  • @futureobituary9661
    @futureobituary9661 3 роки тому +2

    Great idea for a channel and presentation - that’s a clean hat too - subbed 👌👊

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Many thanks pal. Appreciate the kind words. Glad you are enjoying the videos mate.

  • @alexanderdoorknocker
    @alexanderdoorknocker 3 роки тому +5

    0:02 Phil was warned to not go to that meeting.. He didn't listen and he ran out of luck.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      Interesting, thanks pal. People often assume that it was Sonny Red who wanted the top spot, but allegedly the plan was to install Philly Lucky as the boss.

  • @davidross1641
    @davidross1641 3 роки тому +3

    Loving the videos mate. Nice to here a fellow Brits talking about the mob.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      ha thanks pal. Trust is, I cringe every time I hear my own voice on the videos! haha

  • @timsmith1323
    @timsmith1323 3 роки тому +2

    Loving the channel bro keep up the great work

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Really kind of you to say mate. Glad your enjoying it!

    • @timsmith1323
      @timsmith1323 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ definitely a subscriber here notifications on as well 👍looking forward to hearing more stories

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@timsmith1323 nice one. Thanks for your support, it's really appreciated.

  • @geronimodeloscielos4997
    @geronimodeloscielos4997 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent Commentary!!!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Many thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @tommybhoy8461
    @tommybhoy8461 3 роки тому +2

    Great video well done and congratulations.....great to listen to these stories

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks again pal. Just trying to share some information that is always seen in some of the documentaries.

    • @tommybhoy8461
      @tommybhoy8461 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ your videos are class....am learning a lot cheers....making lockdown easier 😃

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@tommybhoy8461 haha its due to lockdown that I have the time to do them!

  • @alejandroesquivel4127
    @alejandroesquivel4127 3 роки тому +3

    This channel is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks mate. Glad you are enjoying it!

  • @carmendiaz4455
    @carmendiaz4455 3 роки тому +1

    Once again great work

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks again mate.

  • @dklegend3910
    @dklegend3910 3 роки тому +5

    Great vid. Seemed like a sloppy hit. Never heard of a guy getting accidentally shot on a hit 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +4

      It was supposed to be neater, but I suppose in a basement, with a lot of guys around, in the carnage these things can happen.

    • @budgibson185
      @budgibson185 3 роки тому +2

      Sal Vitale let off machine gun fire before they showed up like a moron ... lol

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      @@budgibson185 yeah that's right he nearly hit Giovanni Ligammari.

    • @pasofino2199
      @pasofino2199 3 роки тому +2

      David Barron Corona Tijuana hit, picture is iconic

    • @stayhungry1503
      @stayhungry1503 2 роки тому +1

      a lot of hits seem to be sloppy af, but yeah friendly fire is unusual. more common is that they somehow fail to kill someone even after shooting them at point blank range in the head. surprisingly they often use garbage hardware as well, like greg scarpa using a tec 9(yes ofc it misfired) and .25 calibre rifle like wtf? no wonder those hits failed.

  • @Jammo1978
    @Jammo1978 2 роки тому +3

    Hahaha "don't ever do that again, if you gotta die, die" brutal 🤣

  • @MIKEOXLONG-dm6jm
    @MIKEOXLONG-dm6jm 3 роки тому +2

    Very good video, interesting & informative. 👍

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @pauldenny1533
    @pauldenny1533 3 роки тому +1

    Great work,keep em coming

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Mate, thank you for the support! If there is anything you'd like to see or learn about, then please always feel free to ask me.

  • @gurpreetsahota1678
    @gurpreetsahota1678 3 роки тому +2

    This channel is great I will recommend to my people's 💯

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Many thanks Gurpreet! I appreciate the support! Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

  • @YouTubeIsTheGestapo
    @YouTubeIsTheGestapo 3 роки тому +5

    Good video, just so you know for future episodes Frank Lino is pronounced Frank lee-no

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha I know pal. All my life I read it as Lee-no but before I did the video I thought I'd check it in an online italian pronunciation app and it said Ly-no!!! 😂 😂 So annoying! You live and learn right?! 😂 😂

    • @YouTubeIsTheGestapo
      @YouTubeIsTheGestapo 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ it’s all good, just watched 2 of your other videos about Harry & Scarfo and as someone who grew up here, actually one of my earliest memories were the windows in the house rattling when the blew Phil tests up, you’re on point bro, keep it up

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@UA-camIsTheGestapo many thanks for the kind words pal. Wow, I had read that the blast could be felt a few blocks away. How far were you from his house mate?

    • @YouTubeIsTheGestapo
      @YouTubeIsTheGestapo 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ his house was on 21st & shunk by the park & I was on 16th & shunk, there’s a refinery in south Philly maybe a half mile from Phil’s house & when the explosion happened people thought it was from the refinery. Then when I was in my teens the war with stanfa kicked off & as early teens we were so used to the bloodshed that a guy was killed outside the Melrose diner & the news was trying film the body & do like a live report from the scene & me & my friends were jumping around behind the reporter & talking shit to them, they were getting so mad which just encouraged us to continue & this poor guy is laying dead 50 feet away in his caddy, crazy

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@UA-camIsTheGestapo ha love the reporter story, but must have been quite surreal to a certain extent looking back. Did you used to see the likes of the Ciancaglini boys around? What happened to that family is truly mind blowing.

  • @mula2626
    @mula2626 3 роки тому +3

    I really like your channel. Very well researched. Consider me subscribed.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks pal. Appreciate the support. Hopefully will have another video uploaded today.

  • @balancedactguy
    @balancedactguy 2 роки тому +1

    Great Little Story OC!!

  • @MarkH10
    @MarkH10 2 роки тому +2

    Is there some OC rule? If you are being hit and you run away and survive, you may be punished by being killed? Am I missing something?
    How about the balls on that guy. 3 guys with him killed, he BARELY gets away, and 15 hours later meets alone with the guys who just shot his friends?

  • @MustangMike012
    @MustangMike012 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome! Just catching up with your videos. Keep em coming 👍🏼

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      This one is a good story but I apologise about my pronunciation of Lino and also Sciascia!

    • @MustangMike012
      @MustangMike012 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ Don't worry about that. I knew who u meant. Have you ever done anything on Nicky Scarfo or Phil leonetti?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@MustangMike012 I did a couple on the scarfa/riccobene conflict a few months ago. Interestingly Mafia Prince about Leonetti is one of my favourite books.

    • @MustangMike012
      @MustangMike012 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Philadelphia mob in the 80's and early 90's was nuts. Stanfa/Merloni war was insane. Brother on brother. Sad.

  • @joseyeastwood
    @joseyeastwood 2 роки тому +2

    They didn't even explain actually the reason for the hits in Donnie Brasco great info as always.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Glad you found it interesting pal.

  • @RatelLaw
    @RatelLaw 2 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing your research..

  • @JM-lu9no
    @JM-lu9no 3 роки тому +2

    Great story keep them coming

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      thanks pal. Will definitely keep going. Thank you for the support

  • @clfn85
    @clfn85 3 роки тому +5

    Love this stories on the 3 captins slaying . This story is explained well in the sixth family book, where a lot of the info for this story comes straight
    From sal vitale and frank lino. Great info

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thanks pal. Sixth Family is a superb book I agree mate.

  • @paulgalligan1916
    @paulgalligan1916 2 роки тому +1

    I'm absolutely flying through all your videos
    Cause I like that kinda thing 😆

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      Ha - thanks Paulie. I must apologise about the production quality, especially of the earlier ones. I'm still learning, even ten months on!

    • @paulgalligan1916
      @paulgalligan1916 2 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ nah your doing a great job bro keep up coming 👍
      My only issue is I wish they were longer 🤌👍✌

  • @keithbarbaro7590
    @keithbarbaro7590 2 роки тому +7

    Another great video.
    Dr. Salerno's home/office was on Suydam St between Knickerbocker and Irving across from the park. It's a 6 or 8 family brick. He used one unit for his practice. Ironically Dr. Salerno lived just blocks from the Galante hit.
    He was a well-liked doctor especially by neighborhood Italians who trusted him.
    Wyckoff Heights Hospital(where I was born) is the nearest hospital. But for some reason I think they took him elsewhere.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you Keith, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the local knowledge of the Dr.

  • @jesusmendez7825
    @jesusmendez7825 2 роки тому +1

    Great job I have problem understanding you sometimes. But havé no doubt you know what you're talking about

  • @jamesindelicato5003
    @jamesindelicato5003 5 місяців тому +1

    Good clip.. we never knew the whole story back then.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  5 місяців тому

      Thank you James. Glad you enjoyed it.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  4 місяці тому

      Sorry for the delayed response. Are you related?

  • @giovannimarino7449
    @giovannimarino7449 Рік тому +1

    Thanks mate greac channel

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому

      Glad you are enjoying the videos

  • @anthonypucci2982
    @anthonypucci2982 3 роки тому +3

    HARD TO BELIEVE ALL THSES OLD GUY ARE SO VIOLENT AT THERE AGE THEY DONT RELAX GETTING OLDER

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      You are spot on there pal

  • @raytiger3707
    @raytiger3707 2 роки тому +1

    i lover your videos. What country are you from?? thanks.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому

      Thank you, glad you are enjoying the channel. I’m from England.

  • @gmont5082
    @gmont5082 3 роки тому +5

    Its kinda crazy that the 3 captains actually went to the sit down like that... They were buying weapons and planning a takeover but they went to a sitdown with their enemies unarmed...🤔

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      Mate I think the same thing. Sonny Red was nervous and suspicious before the 2nd meeting, so by the the third he was really nervous. I know the rules are no guns at sit-downs... But look where that got them!

    • @jackiebonds4359
      @jackiebonds4359 3 роки тому +1

      I heard from a tweety bird that Sonny Reds body was placed so he could be found so his wife could have a proper wake and burial. After this Bruno went after John Gotti and Angelo Ruggiero and almost killed them he was trying to ambush them. You can probably find this story online.

    • @craigm3777
      @craigm3777 2 роки тому

      Incorrect..they didn't want them found..Informant told them where he was,,good ole Willy Boy Johnson..The "kids finding him" was a cover story to keep Willy Boy cover..Hannibal did disposal..

  • @jeremybaker4721
    @jeremybaker4721 3 роки тому +3

    Just been reading about the Cypres Gardens Tripple murders in 1967 which was a kind of forerunner to the 3 Capos hit. It was as spectacular a hit as there has been but almost lost to history.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Great minds think alike. I put it down on my list to make a video about it the other day. It gets a brief mention in the Joe Dogs book because Mike "Midge" Belvedere was invited to join Frankie "Five Hundred" for dinner at the Cypress Gardens that night but had to give Joe Dogs a lift to work that night - a massive stroke of luck for Belvedere!

    • @jeremybaker4721
      @jeremybaker4721 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ I just read a brilliant article on The Man in Black: Gaspare Magaddino . Dont know if you've

    • @jeremybaker4721
      @jeremybaker4721 3 роки тому +1

      Smg went wrong only post half the post. Dont know if you've read it. Apparently, Gaspare was at the Palermo summit which I didn't know (lots of Gaspare Magaddinos in this era) He was also the alleged boss of Castellammare in the late 50's also new to me. A Sicilian boss & a Magaddino to boot carrying out hits for Joe Bonanno. talk about wheels within wheels. Congrats on your latest vid 10000 views in under 24 hours !!!!
      you deserve it.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@jeremybaker4721 interesting stuff pal. I'll search for the article. Maggadino is definitely another of those interesting characters who is hardly spoken about. Thanks for the support pal. It is always a pleasure speaking with like minded individuals, such as yourself, on this subject.

  • @mikeggg1979
    @mikeggg1979 3 роки тому +1

    I like your videos before I even watch them brother 👊🏻

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Ha thanks pal. Appreciate that.

  • @colonelreb1014
    @colonelreb1014 3 роки тому +4

    Poor guy was paralyzed for the rest of his life.

  • @shawnmoney8055
    @shawnmoney8055 3 роки тому +3

    Was this the basement scene they did in Donnie Brasco?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      That's right pal! Although the film changed up who was involved in the actual shooting, it was based on this event.

    • @shawnmoney8055
      @shawnmoney8055 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ o ok thanks man

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@shawnmoney8055 no problem mate

    • @jackiebonds4359
      @jackiebonds4359 3 роки тому

      Yes it is fun fact they also really wanted to Hit Bruno because they knew he was a loose cannon and would not hesitate to kill anyone and he actually took a shot at John G and Angelo R.

  • @Jacobsherman341
    @Jacobsherman341 Рік тому +1

    I’ve been looking for the real story after watching Donnie brasco thanks for the well informed vid brother.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  Рік тому +1

      Glad you found it interesting Jacob.

  • @sonnyvictor3584
    @sonnyvictor3584 3 роки тому +2

    Cesare Bonventre's biggest mistake was joining with Rastelli faction instead of the 3 capos, he would eventually get killed

    • @deebonanno3165
      @deebonanno3165 3 роки тому

      I hear the only reason he was killed was because he rudely walked out on a meeting.

    • @sonnyvictor3584
      @sonnyvictor3584 3 роки тому +1

      @@deebonanno3165 thats literally one of the most stupid reason to kill someone, not to mention he switched sides.
      Like Scarfo killed salvie just over pure jealousy

  • @jesseraina1614
    @jesseraina1614 Рік тому +1

    If sonny black hadnt become close to joe pistone and proposed him and introduced him to frank balistreri and trafficante hed still be alive and definitely would of went from acting boss to official boss after the current boss died.

  • @TheSaxon.
    @TheSaxon. 2 роки тому +1

    Big mistake attending that meeting.
    If it's a 50/50 live or die meeting, you need to meet publicly in daylight and in plain sight, where everyone else is oblivious but are essentially guarding you too.

  • @malparillo5617
    @malparillo5617 3 роки тому +2

    Its a first time i hear a mobster die in a crash plan 🤔

  • @sinnerssaint4712
    @sinnerssaint4712 2 роки тому +2

    Bruno Indelicato was supposed to be there

  • @tracytobin931
    @tracytobin931 3 роки тому +1

    Bravo!!! And Grazzi!!! On another Gem of a video Mate. This Triple Hit took place in a joint owned by Sammy the Bull that was used for card games and other games of chance. It was 3 blocks from my house. 13th ave btwn 66th n 67th st's Bensonhurst Brooklyn.T.T👍☘🙂☮❤🌎

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Wow, did you regularly see many people from "the life" in the neighbourhood then?

    • @tracytobin931
      @tracytobin931 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ you Probably wouldn't believe me Pal !!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@tracytobin931 hahha I bet it would blow my mind!!!

    • @tracytobin931
      @tracytobin931 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Mate I'm German/Irish and I didn't have an army of Brothers, so I always knew my place, drove Tow Trucks for a livin wit a bit of finagling and wheelin n dealin on the side you know....turn a 500 dent into a $5.000 claim a little of thifs n that but I always stayed in my lane so to speak its Impossible to grow up there and not know n see Wiseguys everywhere. The alleged current Boss of The Colombo's is a childhood Friend. I will talk to more about it in the future. This aint the best format !!!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@tracytobin931 completely understand pal.

  • @acropolisnow9466
    @acropolisnow9466 3 роки тому +2

    The Bonannos were absolutely brutal.

  • @SuperKoreanzombie
    @SuperKoreanzombie 3 роки тому +4

    Great content although you left out few vital pieces of info- Frank Curly Lino did not just voluntarily come in- he is a cousin of feared Gotti henchman Eddie Lino who was a Gambino family capo. Eddie Lino spoke up for his cousin and Fat Joey Massino (because of his relationship with Gotti) ensured Frank Lino wasn’t in any trouble.
    Also please stop pronouncing it as Lino as LINE- O, if you’ve watched John Alite’s videos or Sammy the Bull’s they all pronounce it as Lea-no. Thanks

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words. I mentioned to someone earlier, I always read it as Lee -no for years and years, but just before I recorded the video I double checked it with an Italian pronunciation app and it said LY-no. Well hey, you live and learn. I know full well of the Lino lineage and relatives throughout the mob, I’m not sure I said he voluntarily came in though mate... initially he was ordered in by Dellacroce as they wanted to know where Bruno was. My point was more about getting to the final quote by Nick the Battler. As you probably are aware, you can’t include every single detail into the videos, despite the fact that I try and cram in as much info as possible without the video dragging on too much.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Eddie Lino wasn’t promoted to Capo until 1986, at the time of the 3 Capos hit he was still a soldier.

    • @SuperKoreanzombie
      @SuperKoreanzombie 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ
      Oh sorry for the misunderstanding, I never meant that you said he voluntarily came in. What I mean is he just didn’t turn himself in out of the blue. His cousin helped set it up and ensured he wasn’t in any trouble

    • @SuperKoreanzombie
      @SuperKoreanzombie 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ
      That’s right, I never implied he was a capo at the time rather he was known as a Gotti loyalist and was a captain.
      For those that don’t know, Eddie Lino was also later on murdered by the Mafia cops on behalf of Gas Pipe Casso (that’ll be a great story for you to tell if you haven’t) the mafia cops actually said ‘hey Frank’ and Eddie laughs and says,’ no that’s my cousin’ before he was shot through his car window

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@SuperKoreanzombie that's cool pal.

  • @davidprice6027
    @davidprice6027 Рік тому

    An absolute gem of an episode mate! The "old timer" may have been Nicola Rizzuto (Vito's father was 57 at the time and had just whacked 3 Violi brothers in 2 years to take over Montreal in 1980). Nick married Agrigento cosa nostra Boss Antonio Manno's daughter in Sicily before immigrating in the 1950's with his Agrigento pals in the Caruana-Cuntrera clan in Siculiana. So many tossers on YT with bogus content cribbed from Wakipedia - I would gladly watch your kick ass stories many times over than 99% of the poor drivel online. You should do a story on the Caruana-Cuntrera Family - they were the Pizza Connection suppliers and also main pipeline to Sal Ruggerio and after his plane crashed, Angelo Ruggerio and Gene Gotti. In fact, Gerlando Sciascia (aka "George from Canada" and pronounced "sha-sha") was the Rizzuto's and the Caruana-Contreras clans 'relationship manager' in NYC regarding wholesale heroin sales and George and another Montreal Sicilian (Guiseppe Lopresti) were both charged in 1983 with Angelo Ruggerio + Gene Gotti in the famous junk case that got Paul Castellano killed (both were acquitted) and were captured on numerous recordings discussing Cosa Nostra and heroin business on the infamous "Quack-quack" FBI tapes that Neil Dellacroce was beefing with Paul about.

  • @nagone11
    @nagone11 3 роки тому +3

    Wow..I don't know how I missed this one...I read where Don Vito Rizzuto from Canada was there as well as one of the hitters that came out of the back to ambush the three capos. There was so much shooting, later to hear Big Trin's belly got blown up and 50 lbs of it was blown all over the place. That's where the other mobster got shot, in the cross fire and was partially paralyzed...that scene must have been horrifying...Trin's belly all over the joint...damn...never saw that in the movie...

  • @Silo-Ren
    @Silo-Ren 3 роки тому +4

    I have never heard of the three capo's hit as detailed as this...Amazing job, now if you could only do that for the Tony Bananas Caponigro hit. There's a couple of different versions especially with Mad Dog Sullivans version which dosen't match the autopsy report. It's all about the details.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal - excuse my pronunciation of Lino in that video! There's a story behind why I messed up and said it like LY-No instead of correctly LEE-No, but it's not worth boring you with. I hadn't planned on doing the Tony Bananas hit because I figured it had been covered by Philip Leonetti quite well - however you are correct that there is some more detail that could be discussed. I'll add it to the list, but it might be a while pal.

    • @Silo-Ren
      @Silo-Ren 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ yes in Phil's version they have a sit down and Funzi Tieri denies the whole thing that he gave the ok to kill Bruno and supposedly the Chin and fat Tony gets mad then they pounce on him. I've read it but it dosen't match Mad dogs version so yes I can wait and yes I know you'er gonna do a great job. Thnx mate, I'll be watching.

    • @jonnytlong
      @jonnytlong 2 роки тому +1

      @@Silo-Ren I know this is a year old but I don’t really believe everything leonetti says. I’d say that since Sullivan admits to killing him he would know more about it since he was there and leonetti definitely wasn’t. Then again, that nutjob the iceman admitted to killing a lot of people he didn’t kill and lied about details of people he really did kill so who really knows if Sullivan isn’t doing something like that? Despite everything though, my belief is mad dog is telling the truth

    • @Silo-Ren
      @Silo-Ren 2 роки тому

      @@jonnytlong
      Well you know what's funny about that Jonny, I'd asked a lot of supposed mob experts and most times I get Bob that Mad dog wasn't envoled but I gotta say, in his interview he didn't come across as a b.s. artist lier. He was very believable. You can just tell when people are pulling your leg and plus his whole story has never changed and and theirs certain attributes when people disgrib things that just don't change. This is highly used by detectives today to find out if some is bs them. Their is one way we could truly tell who's telling the truth but I don't have the time or recourses to do that now, and that would be to go to the local PCNT where his body was found and ask for his public records. If you can get a copy of his autopsy report plus the crime scene pictures which I know are out there since I seen a few of them, this can be put to rest and we can finally find out for sure what happened. If Tony was strangled, stabbed, and shot 14 times with five guns all over his arms and legs then Mad dog is lying. If he is only shot twice then Mad dog is telling the truth

    • @Silo-Ren
      @Silo-Ren 2 роки тому

      P.S. in sorry it's late and I can't keep my eyes open so if I misspelled forgive me, using a small screen.

  • @patrickturner6878
    @patrickturner6878 2 роки тому +2

    "Don't ever do that again. If you gotta die, die." LMAO I wonder what his response was. Like his Cosa Nostra duty was to stand and make it easy for the hit squad. BS.

  • @travisdrury5556
    @travisdrury5556 2 роки тому +1

    Never knew all of that about the other man shot, excellent story but make em longer lol

  • @thebizznizzle5747
    @thebizznizzle5747 3 роки тому +2

    Good vids!!
    One tiny thing: Sciascia is pronounced "Shasha"

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks pal, I found out after. You will see a few instances of me butchering some names. But I am getting better 😂 glad you enjoyed the video pal. I tend to upload Wednesday and Saturday.

    • @thebizznizzle5747
      @thebizznizzle5747 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ really good vids, a great resource for us online mafia obsessives!
      I only know about the pronunciation of Sciascia from the Joe Massino book "The Last Godfather"
      You should do a vid about the revenge hits ordered by Tony Accardo after his house was burgled in 1978!!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@thebizznizzle5747 stop reading my mind! I planned out a video on the Accardo revenge the other day. Will film it in the next few weeks!

    • @thebizznizzle5747
      @thebizznizzle5747 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Nice - if you havent read William F. Roemer's "The Genuine Godfather" i would highly recommend it, great story well written by a guy who was there first hand

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@thebizznizzle5747 indeed I have. Its on the shelf behind me somewhere. Have you read Roemer's book on Spilotro?

  • @jesseraina1614
    @jesseraina1614 Рік тому

    Hey id like to see some videos on the size/power/ territories of the past/some current smaller mafia families and there comparison to other families. Like detriot new Orleans buffalo rhode island boston Massachusetts texas kansas Cleveland families during the 1950s 60s 70s 80s etc.

  • @prophetsbourne1136
    @prophetsbourne1136 3 роки тому +1

    This is the ONLY time I’ve ever heard ANYone reprimanded for running from bullets!!!
    Tough job to have.

  • @Rockoca1
    @Rockoca1 3 роки тому +4

    Can't wait to hear about the Rizutto's , maybe touch on their relationship with the now dead Musitano clan from Hamilton . Good stories there .

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      It's fascinating what has happened in Canada over the years and still to this day!

    • @tinospaper2822
      @tinospaper2822 3 роки тому

      The rizzutos are all wiped out.

    • @tinospaper2822
      @tinospaper2822 3 роки тому

      Sicilian mob is nothing what it use to be in the 60, 70 and 80s. Calabrese mob runs things now. Especially in Canada. Toronto to be exact.

    • @tinospaper2822
      @tinospaper2822 3 роки тому

      Also, musitano are nothing anymore either. After he got hit down the street from my house that was it. He was a rat and he hit someone back in the 80s that he shouldn't of. Ppl have been trying to kill pat for year and years. It was only a matter of time.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@tinospaper2822 exactly mate, the 'Ndrangheta is a real power these days. Huge in European Narcotics.

  • @johnengland8619
    @johnengland8619 2 роки тому

    Cheers my good man

  • @tinospaper2822
    @tinospaper2822 3 роки тому +1

    Joe gave the hit to Rizzuto in 81. 2004 he was indicted. 2006 they extradited him to the u.s, plead guilty to a conspiracy in 2007 and got 10 years but only served 5. While he was locked up, his dad and son were both killed and he died in 2013 from pneumonia.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Thats right pal. There are some excellent books on the subject. I will cover them in a video in the future.

  • @dezlotto8692
    @dezlotto8692 3 роки тому +2

    Can you explain who were the shooters in the paul castellano hit. I mean sammy gravano flipped but im sure only a few know who the guys on the street that were.. i can only guess one of the carneglia brothers were in it

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +3

      I plan to do a video on these guys in the near future. My understanding is that the four primary shooters were Eddie Lino, John Carneglia, Salvatore Scala and Vinny Artuso. Artuso's gun jammed, and a rumour went round that he bottled it, however this wasn't the case, but it was still a source of embarrassment for him. There were also 5 back up shooters but I will cover these in the video.

  • @budgibson185
    @budgibson185 3 роки тому +1

    Vito cemented his international name and reputation but sadly he had to live with knowing several people had him to turn in as a get outta jail free card!! Love Vito

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      Both him and his father Nick are fascinating characters.

  • @meztizo_americano86
    @meztizo_americano86 2 роки тому +1

    The Black Team was Backed by the Gambinos and Colombos
    The Red team was Backed by The Genovese's
    I wonder why The Genovese favored the red team

  • @louiscsanko3673
    @louiscsanko3673 2 роки тому +1

    Is there any truth in John " Sonny " Franzese ( Not) being Michael's Biological Father? I noticed that Michael's brother looks much more like " Sonny" and Michael Has no resemblance to Sonny. I only asked because I heard this somewhere, and Michael was very Shifty on the topic, Thanks Mate.

  • @sherrymia4719
    @sherrymia4719 Рік тому +1

    They were nothing more then a bunch of serial killers who got together

  • @matthewdegraide2875
    @matthewdegraide2875 3 роки тому +1

    I believe in the mid 2010s through Massino's testimony they uncovered some of the capos bodies in a vacant NYC lot.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +4

      Sonny Ted's body was discovered first not long after the killings but you are right the bodies of Trinchera and Giaccone were discovered around 2004 I think.

    • @jackiebonds4359
      @jackiebonds4359 3 роки тому +2

      Matthew Sonny Reds body was found first, placed to be intentionally found out of respect for his wife so she could have a proper wake and funeral. Sick stuff. Kill them but then do a kind gesture.

  • @russell22222
    @russell22222 2 роки тому +1

    I've never heard about Frank Lino's escape from this massacre.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  2 роки тому +1

      Hope you enjoyed it... apart from my pronunciation of his name. I know it's "Lee-no", i'm not sure what came over me! ha

    • @russell22222
      @russell22222 2 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ Your channel is the best,please get some scoop on the Zips.Their current state and stuff.

  • @budgibson185
    @budgibson185 3 роки тому +3

    One thing buddy is Frank Lino is pronounced “Lee-no”

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Haha you won’t believe it but I have always read it as Lee-no, but thought I would double check with an Italian pronunciation app, and it said LYno. You live and learn!

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @Jj 😂😂😂😂

    • @Gestapo93
      @Gestapo93 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ Gee, who cares how ya freaking pronounce it. A lot of Italians in America do not pronounce their own names correctly. You make great content and it's free. I have only praise for these videos you make.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому

      @@Gestapo93 thanks pal... But I will admit that is one pronunciation I am kicking myself over as I always used to say it correctly until I checked with some dodgy Italian language app! 😂 😂 😂

  • @paulmckenna6120
    @paulmckenna6120 2 роки тому +1

    This happened 3 days before I was born

  • @jesseraina1614
    @jesseraina1614 Рік тому

    Im surprised sammy never talked about this at least from what i heard

  • @jesseraina1614
    @jesseraina1614 Рік тому

    There isnt much information about the smaller cosa nostra families should make videos on comparison of each mafia family in the national crime syndicate like dallas new Orleans Tampa new England clevand Detroit buffalo Toronto montreal hamilton los Angeles southern California and all mid west and eastern seaboard families outside of NYC

  • @gerardhines5884
    @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +2

    Bruno was with tommy .and the club waa on 13th ave and 67 st .i was a kid and use to break in and hang out and drink all the beers .

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      Great bit of local information. Thank you for sharing that. What were they like, if you don’t mind me asking?

    • @gerardhines5884
      @gerardhines5884 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ bruno and tommy were in an apartment. Hold up .i was a kid like 14 .and was more around the 13th ave area that was greg scarpas turf

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@gerardhines5884 cool, thanks for the local info mate

    • @jackiebonds4359
      @jackiebonds4359 3 роки тому

      @@OCSHORTZ Well Bruno mentored Tommy Karate so that should let you know how they were. Bruno is a good guy and will be home soon and in his 70'''s. He is on the backend of another long bid.

  • @dc7370
    @dc7370 2 роки тому

    That's one of the best lines

  • @RAGNAR7722
    @RAGNAR7722 3 роки тому +2

    I always thought this happened in Sammy's club...but on a recent podcast the bull did he talks about this hit and doesn't mention any personal involvement in it. What you think?

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +2

      The testimony of Vitale and Frank Lino both said it was Gravano's I believe. I saw the podcast too and it was unusual that he didn't mention he owned the place. Perhaps just an oversight. Maybe he owned loads of places and didn't recollect. I'm just speculating.

    • @RAGNAR7722
      @RAGNAR7722 3 роки тому +1

      @@OCSHORTZ yeah big oversight though! As I'd imagine they'd need permission to pull a stunt like that.

    • @OCSHORTZ
      @OCSHORTZ  3 роки тому +1

      @@RAGNAR7722 I'm sure they did. Gravano has great recall but does make mistakes. Who knows. Either way it was a crazy story.