I’ve been a Dirty /06 my entire life and love it. Recently bought a 270 Husqvarna . Been reloading for it and it is absolutely amazing. Light recoil super fast flat shooting and accurate. One doesn’t need much more . Does everything
Husqvarnas are great old guns!! They made a sweet 16ga sxs to but still their mauser actions are some of the best! cool stocks to! Older Husqvarnas and older Tikkas are where its at!
I'm an old man now, and remember well the role of the 270 in the Midwest "back in the day" When I started hunting in the 70's "Deer Camp" was still the way most people hunted. You built a stand or blind, and that was your spot. It did not take long for the guys who sat on field edges to gravitate to the 270win. My bet is if you thought 300 yards was possible from your stand a 270 or 30-06 was what you packed. There were no rangefinders and you shot from unsupported positions from a few 2x4's nailed to a tree. or from a lawn chair behind a log pile. I saw 7mm mags, and a few 264win mags, but the field or pasture edge was owned by the 270win. Guys that hunted groundhogs liked the 243win and 257Roberts. The 30-30 was still the king, and guys that had stands set up in thickets and young timber loved the 94's and 336, those two also dominated the deer drive camps. WWII vets were the wise old sages of camp, and lots of them would never give up the 30-06 and I don't blame them. The transition from small tractor and combine farming had started and was in full swing in the 80's. And I'm not talking 16 row this transition was from 2 row to 4, 6 or 8 row farming. That and the death of the small family farm changed the landscape. I mention this because a lot of small fields or back corners of fields were going fallow, causing a lot of hunters to focus on some Brushie Fields and thick edges of hardwoods regeneration. And that kept the 30-30 on top for another decade or two. Now you see the same thing in Deer Management recreating what we had, due to the change in ag practices back then. Back in the timber the 270win held its own quite well, as the affordability of good scopes was rising, and my bet is the average deer rifle switched to a scoped gun in the 70's in the Midwest. And if you came from a lever gun, a scoped rifle made you feel like you could kill anything you saw, if you had a "Flat Cartridge". The 270 was the most common round that fit that description at least if you read the hunting magazines. Core lock and Silvertips were what you found in every hardware store. (that's where we bought guns, Or from guys with FFL's who mostly worked from home in a garage or basement. There were not that many gun shops. So even if you wanted a 7mm Express/280rem, 300savage, or Weatherby mag you had to get ammo in the summer to make sure you had enough for the fall. That kept a lot of guys buying "standard" ammo. The 308 was making big gains, as new guns in camp seemed to be 308's or 270's or 243's the same way as the 6.5 CM is dominating now. Deer were a new thing in many parts of the country. Family's in my area did not have traditions of deer camp, as the return of deer was something witnessed by the WWII generation in my area. The Quail and Rabbits and Clouds of Ducks were gone, were giving way to the Deer, as the game animal that dominated the fall. It's weird to think that things have changed that much in the last 50 years. All the wives tails about deer behavior, and the new tech applied to the hunt. It's better now but I really wish I could go back to one of those camps one last time. If there is a heaven waiting for me I bet it smells like wood smoke and Cigars. Full of tails of 10 pointers slipping through the morning fog, ribbing about missed shots. Vets telling tales of the war in Europe, and lots of laughter, friendly arguments about card games and calibers, drooping skinning poles and my old Winchester 70 in 270 leaning up in the corner.
What an awesome piece of history! The .270 Winchester is such a piece of American history and I’m glad you were able to enjoy it. The Model 70 is THE perfect gun for a .270 Winchester as well.
Well written, you take be back through time as I also loved in that era. It is sad that the hunting traditions, camps, fun, passing of knowledge and generational history from elders down through to the youngsters and everyone in between has all but disappeared these days. 😢
Thank you Mr O’Connor! Oh, my mistake, you had me right with you as you relived the whole experience I thought you were the master himself! Cannot thank you enough for than fantastic excerpt. You are a fine writer, thank you for taking me on that trip!!!!
Shot 270 for the last 35 years, it's never let me down. I hunt in North FL and South Ga, taken, bucks and hogs, never failed me. You guys are right on the money with your instructions. I have never taken a shot further than 185 yards. Keep up the great work! GOD Bless HM🙏
Yup lol. Hornady does NOT want the .270 (6.8 Western as well) to succeed because they are not investing in the caliber. The .270 Win is better than both the 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5 PRC if loaded properly. This scares them.
@@hunterjohnson5635270 win, 130 accubond with RL26 at 3250 FPS from a 22 inch barrel. It’s over 1800 fps at 800 yards. It may be easier and faster to find a load to shoot in the modern offerings but if you can get a 270 to shoot well, there’s no need to buy a new 6.5 if you already have a 270 in the safe.
My first deer rifle as a kid was a Ruger M77 Ultralight in 270 Win. That rifle has taken many deer for me over the years and even a couple elk. I have always really loved the 270. Fairly light recoiling, capable of taking all American hoofed game, fast, flat and just does what it is supposed to do. I still hunt with a 270 more than any other caliber.
M77 ultralight walnut is my favorite, factory Ruger 77 stocks fit me better than any other factory stock. I need to get an old m77. I prefer the smoother action on m700 or m70 but I don’t have issue with that more “wiggley” mauser bolt motion, the Ruger 77 is awsome
Hey Captain....that is my exact deer rifle...mine was born in '84. I have several deer rifles to pick from, but every year, I continue to take it to the woods. Whitetail and bear both. .270 is king
@@dchaney40 Mine is an '84 vintage as well, and like you I still use that same rifle regularly even though I too have a lot more rifles to choose from nowadays. As you say, out to ~400yds the .270 really can't be beat.
Love these podcast. Ask my old man any rifle he could have and he will always swear by the 270. With some of these new bullets and a faster twist it's pretty hard to beat honestly.
The .270 Winchester won't ever die. It is a very special round that does what it was designed to do perfectly. Most bolt people are not distance or paper motivated. They are hunters who want game in the freezer without having to walk a half-mile to retrieve it. If they have a .270 in North America, they need nothing else. If they don't, many will get one.
Interestingly enough, when you pit the 270 against 6.5 Creedmoor with current Hornady ELDX bullets, the 270 Winchester out shines the 6.5 Creedmoor. As people, we enjoy new and neglect old often. I favor the 270. Isn't it great that there are so many choices.
As a teen in the early 1970s I poured over the cartridge table in the Winchester catalog. Still remember the 270 130 grain trajectory numbers zero +1.5" at 100 yards and -6.6" at 300 yards. Have three 270s in my safe. All moa and better with handloads. Not to mention the hammer of Thor on whitetails.
Legendary cartridge indeed . Great history lesson once again thank you Hornady podcast. As I was listening I kept telling myself. Jack O'Connor has to be mentioned. Can't talk 270 without him. Looking forward to uo coming podcast.
BC boy here, born and raised. Grew up hunting big mulies, moose and black bears. My first rifle was a Enfield of course but my next rifle when I was 20 was a M700 mountain rifle in .270. Many a mulie, black bear and moose fell to the crack of that that rifle touching off. It still in the family. Taking the same game just with the next generation 😎
i'm glad you guy's got around to talking about the 270 Winchester. I've been Load developing, Handloading and Long Range shooting for over 50+ years. I have developed loads for dozens of cartridges over the years and by far the two greatest were the 30-06 and the 270 Winchester. Just recently I loaded some of your 145 grain ELDX Hornady bullets with Reloader 22 to 3207 feet per second out of my 24 inch barrel Weatherby Vanguard Rifle. That load is 1.7 grains under Max. It shot a .315 sub MOA group. Witnessed by several people. I'm currently building a 270 with a 28 inch barrel and faster twist rate. If there is one thing the 270 needs is a longer barrel. You cannot beat the old War Horses.
Anything from an 06 case is pretty capable for the majority or what most people need. 25/06, 270, 30/06, 35 whelen. Those 4 alone are a very versatile caliber selection
Great podcast guys. Should say living in British Columbia many moose a year are successfully taken with the 270. Usually shooting over the counter ammo American Whitetail Interlocks, Power Points and Federal Power Shok ect
My personal All-Purpose Hunting Rifle is: Browning X-Bolt Pro Bronze in .270 Win chambering using the Muzzle Brake, Burris 3-12x42mm (Illuminated Reticle) with a Hand-Loaded Hornady 145 Grain ELD-X & MagPro powder going 3020 fps and a 1/4 inch group @ 100 yards. The set-up is lightweight overall at under 7 pounds (Gun, Mounts, Scope, Sling, Loaded Magazine). Yet it kicks less than my .243 Winchester. I have a choice of rifles from the ones that I own, but I take this one nearly Everytime. 😊
🕵️♂️ Did You Know That a 1 in 10 twist 270 Will Stabilize Bullets Heavier Than 150 grains? Using a 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet with a Muzzle Velocity of 2,800 ft/s (I Hunt Elk at Between 9,000 ft and 12,000 ft Elevations), the 270 bullet Will Maintain a Velocity of Over 2,000 ft/s and 1,500 ft lbs of energy (Deemed The Minimal Amount Needed to Kill an Elk) Out To Over 1/2 Mile (800+ yards)! I Don't Advocate Shooting Game Animals That Far, But The 270 Has The Ability to Do It and With Minimal Recoil In Comparison to ANY Other Cartridges That Can Do So As Well! 😱
I’m not an elk hunter but just for fun I got some Speer Grand Slams in 160 and 175 grain weights to load in 7x57 Mauser. For even more eye opening surprise look at the data for the ABLR and Partion 175 grain bullets in the 7x57 in the latest Nosler manual at close to around 2600 fps out of a 24” barrel. Run the numbers through any good ballistic calculator. BC for the Partition not as high for the ABLR but on the average when sighted just a little over 3.5” high at 100 yards or dead on at 250 they are just 4” high at the trajectory apex at 150 yards before falling to about 4.6” low at 300 while still clocking around 2150 fps with about 1750 ft lbs remaining kinetic energy. Still running about 2075 fps with around 1650 ft lbs or so at 350 yards and down around 11 inches. Even at 400 yards still clocking about 2000 fps with 1500 ft pounds and down about 19”. I’m quoting these numbers from memory but I think I’m pretty close on these averages for the two different bullets. With the ‘06 sized 270 case I think you may get some even better averages but it shows what can be done with modern powders and bullets. My 270 is an early 70’s Ruger 77 and my 7x57 is a custom job built on an early (1914) Kar 98 small ring 98 Mauser action. That’s plenty strong enough for any load from any modern loading manual. These loads should be good for maximum effective point blank range out to 300 yards or maybe a little farther on elk sized game. With the right sized and quality constructed bullets you really don’t need a magnum anything for most anything on the North American continent as long as you put it in the right spot.
😃 Yes, Advancements in Modern Bullets and Powders Certainly Have Changed Things For the Classic Cartridges and Made Them Even Better! Mild Recoiling Rifles Help You to Put the Bullet Where It Needs to Go Too! 🎯
I shoot a 270w tikka in match competition production class. Sierra make a match bullet in 135gn . I compete against all calibers and on most club days I win and this out to ranges to 1000yds. I am the only shooter that uses a 270 and everyone is surprised how good it shoots
I was a sceptic until recently, I now own a .270 and I shot a samba doe at 80 yards with 130gr. Stopped her in her tracks. Appreciate your opinion’s keep up the great work🇦🇺
My dad bought a 270 Winchester in in 1961. It was his only centerfire cartridge for many years. He killed many deer, coyotes, and a few varmints. After moving to Alaska, it worked perfectly for caribou and even a couple of moose. I proudly used it this past Fall to take a whitetail. A handload with a plain 130 grain Hornady Interlock did the job.
I love the 270. Especially in a wood stock. Second favorite is 7mm 08. With the difference in thousandths of a inch it now makes sense why i like the 7 08 too.
I have a Tikka t3 270. Very accurate. New copper bullets change things. Take a 270 over 6.5 creed or 6.5 prc. But the 7 prc might be closest 1 gun option out there
270 my favorite round. grew up with 3006 with 185 grain or larger as a kid. My dad in military. Got tired of recoil of 3006 , 270 just works always drops deer, Antelope, in their tracks .
I will say that if manufacturers supported the .277 class with higher BC bullets and the firearms manufacturers pumped out fast twist 270 factory options, I’d own a library of them.
I could listen to these videos all day long. I killed my first muley and pronghorn with a 280 Remington while using my uncle's 1983 CJ7 to get round his ranch. But, as y'all said, a 270 shooting a 130 grainer is certainly a classic and highly effective muley and pronghorn cartridge that I love to use. And yes, the CJ7 is still in the family. Great job boys!
I've hunted with the grand ole 270 for over fifty years and it has never let me down,my freezer proves that point, I purchased a xbolt stainless stalker ten years ago in that caliber and am amazed at the golf ball sized grouping at two hundred yards, shot placement to me is the game changer , and the extra bonus is the availability of that ammo pretty well anywhere you go.
I have been using the 270WIN 140 SST Superformance ammo for going on a decade now. I have that ammo running at about 3190 fps MV out of my REM 700 custom with a Lilja barrel. That seemed fast to me but the drops were proved out to 500 meters. The SST bullets are deadly on whitetails.
🤷♂️ How About Making the 160 grain Interbond for the 270 Caliber/270 Winchester? The 160 grain Nosler Partition Has Been Around Forever and Could Use A Horneday "Upgrade"/"Replacement"! 😎
🤑 Since the 270 Winchester is One of the Top 5 Selling Calibers of All Times, Can't You Find a Way to Give It "A Little More Love" For It's 100th Anniversary? 😪
I spoke with Seth a few months ago about bringing the Interbond back. He said basically the bonding process is a pain more or less and difficult to maintain accuracy because of it. So they more than likely won’t make them anymore.
☹ Sad! However, the 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet Doesn't Have Accuracy Problems (Nor does the 150 grain Nosler ABLR Bullets Out of My 270 Winchester - It Shoot Great), So I Think That They Are Making a Big Mistake! But, Someone Else Will Fill That Void! I Know That Hammer Bullets Has a 162 grain 0.277 Bullet Out Now! Not My First Choice, But Someone Will Make it Happen, Because the 277 Has Alot of New Cartridges Clamoring For It, Let Alone Alot of 270 Winchester Lovers...Like You and I! 🤗
🤑 Horneday Has Went "All In" on Copper Bullets and I Get It! They Are Much Cheaper and Easier to Make and You Can Shape That Monolithic Bullet However You Want Too! But, To Me, Lead Core Bullets Still Have a Place and I Prefer Their Performance At Distance! Also, That Swift A-Frame Bullet at Closer Ranges Performs as Well as Any Bullet Out Their on Tough Critters! 🥊😵
Great podcast. You said it well when you said browning really improved the 270 with a faster twist and a short action. Being able to shoot longer ranger with the heavier bullets is an awesome design. I hope you guys will start making the 6.8 western ammo. It is a great design. Thanks for sharing.
I purchased a 270 win. as my first hunting rifle. I use copper bullets depending on the bullet and powder load I've ranged from 3050 to 3200 fps. I've shot 5 animals with it, including elk out to 465 yards, and it has performed wonderfully. Currently shooting 124 gr hammer bullets going 3150fps with about .6 moa groups at 100. I'll just say I know it will kill. I've only had to track one animal, and that was a scope issue in the field that caused a shot placement issue. Everything else has dropped very quickly. I got the rifle because at the time it was at a price I could afford. the bullets available have lower bc than the 6.5 offerings and better bcs than some of the 7mm options and for the person who wants to do a lot with one rifle the 270 fits that niche very well.
This is off topic, but I wanted to praise Hornady 308 ELD-M ammo. My son and I entered a 600 yard F-Class match last weekend. My son with an off the shelf Daniel Defense Delta 3 in 6 Creedmoor shot a 599 aggregate with 28 x's and I shot a 598 with 40 x's. I shot an off the shelf savage Ft/r model 12. We got first and second place for the club match and both of us are positive we can shoot a 600 score with this ammo. I used 168g. Thank you for producing amazing match grade ammo.
As far as recoil is concerned, a lot of youth hunt mentors/guides put a muzzle brake on a .270win and let the kids have at it. I put a brake on mine when I bought it due to a shoulder injury and haven’t regretted having it on there yet. Tames any recoil there may have been down to almost nothing.
Great comment. Brakes are often overlooked. I'm looking at building a rifle for my 13 year old niece who's small framed but wants to start deer hunting with her Dad and brother. I want to build her a 7mm-08 due to the lighter recoil with the caveat that if even that is still too much for her, I can always install a brake on it and really tame it down.
Stop comparing the 270 to the 6.5cm. The 270 is far more comparable to the 6.5prc. Powder capacity, bullet weight, velocity. One has a more frontal diameter the other is better out past 500yds
8:50-ish - "I'm not taking my .270 coyote hunting..." There are certainly "better" choices if looking for pelts, but if dealing with coyotes taking calves, sheep, chickens or threatening the family hund, then whatever is readily available is the "right" cartridge... .270 Win is def a reliable tool for that problem.
I Have owned and shot Winchester Model 70 since I were a yonker (many years ago). I currently own a Jack O'Connor tribute model 70, A beautiful rifle that has to be seen and fired to be appreciated.
As a previous owner of a 270 I will tell you it is the one rifle ( and I have done this twice) the I regret selling. I have hunted for 40 Years now and I have yet to find a rife combination I like more then the Rem7600 and tje 270 win . I still have the 30-06 in the same rifle but the 270 was my favorite. From coyote to moose just havnt found anything I like more .
It’s unfortunate that the 270 WSM doesn’t get more love hard to find ammo or just brass for it, right now it’s hard to find plain bullets for 270 over all. I do enjoy the podcasts keep up the good work great information and very informative.
.270 with 150 grain round nose for a woods load. Down in the sticks you don't need much for speed and can do without the excess carcass damage that often comes with faster loads.
Had a friend around 1998 that wanted rid of her Rem 700 .270 BDL because she said it kicked too hard. I had never even shot one before, but it was at a price that if I passed it up, I'd have been an idiot. I usually shot .30-06, so how bad could it be, right? To this day, I still love that rifle.
🕵️♂️ Having Went to the "Bigger 30 Calibers" and Then Come Back to the 270 Winchester and 30-06, I Don't Feel "Lacking" in Anything! 1/2 Century of Hunting Has Taught Me It Is More About Shot Placement and Good Bullet Selection, Than It is About Raw Horsepower! 🎯
I own a Winchester model 70 in .270 that was my Dads rifle and i still use that rifle today. I still handload the same ole 130 grain interlocks at 3100 fps that he did. Is there better bullets...sure. However they worked in the 60s and 70s and they work just fine today. Its a 1930 era rifle that has taken game all over North America.....and yes 6.5 CM bullets do bounce off deer😂😂😂
When the 270 came out it was no big deal! It’s not until the scope came on the scene and Jack O’Conner started using both and seeing what the 2 could do together that it started really gaining in popularity! The scope and the 270 was a match made in heaven and the rest is history! My father hunted with the 270 in the 40’s but he really didn’t think that much of it until the pre64 featherweight came with it and he was using the 308 at the time in the pre64 and saw the advantage of the 270 with the scope and also using John Nosler Partitions in the early 50’s from a friend John! Jack O’Conner was such a great promoter that he brought the 270 and it’s great ballistics to the public’s attention and the rest is history!
Great discussion! The 270 was also my first rifle in a Rem 721 bolt action. Thats been over 55 years ago. The best bullet i found for reloading was the 130grn Bronze Point. I believe it was a Remington or Winchester bullet. Put that over a moderate load og imr4831, CCI 200 primer and i was good to go. Wish i still had that rifle.
When I bought my first 270 it was one rifle to do it all in the early '70s. 90 grain bullet for varmint and coyotes 140 grand bullet Sierra boat tail hollow point for deer spitzer 150 grain bullets for heavier game elk round nose nausea partition 160 grain would do anything I needed it to do
Outdoor Life Magazine and Jack O'Connor is the reason I bought an M77 in 270 40 years ago. Wow I've taken so much game with this thing . Elk mule deer , whitetail, pronghorn, and of course a few coyote!
I get how you have to pump your new cartridges. They just don’t do anything new and they make all ammo more scarce. Last I checked, gravity is still constant.
I have major concerns with the 6.5 CM after personally watching folks shoot deer then help them track them. I have seen very poor results no matter shot placement with 3 different varieties of ammo. Shoulder shots through lung & heart, high shoulder lung only, neck... Winchester & S&B both in Soft point and Barnes TTSX. I have seen better performance with 243 / 24cal which is a smaller & shorter projectile over the 6.5 / 26cal. I have have a theory that the 6.5's longer projectile that is moving faster has proven to not expand as much as other rounds in the real world. I think the longer projectile is having a harder time to expand than that of a shorter projectile like the smaller Caliber in 243 resulting in smaller entrance & exit holes in 6.5CM than that of the 243. Entrance & exit holes on deer are barely visible with 6.5CM after combing hair back resulting in lack of blood from several SP loads as well as Barnes TTSX. Last year my buddy's son shot a buck through both shoulders, ran for over 200yds & didn't leave a blood trail with Winchester SP. This year shot another buck that ran over 200yds marginal blood lost the deer after loosing blood trail. Shot a doe at 60yds, deer was found 75yds from where it was shot. Back tracked blood trail for only 20yds so deer failed to bleed for first 55yds with Barnes TTSX & projectile did not pass through or exit deer. Another friend shot 2 deer with Browning Hells Canyon & lost both & knows he had good shots no blood. Another hunter at our club shot a buck in the neck with Winchester SP and he said the buck took a few steps before it fell. After inspection the projectile entered neck obviously hit bone & ricochet down deers body to hind quarter. Never have I ever shot or heard of a deer being shot in the neck that it didn't drop immediately. It would be interesting for someone with a greater knowledge like yourself to take a deeper dive into this. I was a fan not a hater but I have major concerns after seeing so many deer shot that didn't bleed even if it was successful harvest. You may not always be able to track a deer 200 plus yards without any blood through pine thickets, clear cuts & briar thickets. I think the popularity of all the Hornaday PRC & Creedmoor cartridges are due to their marketing campaigns more than the true overall performance over other 100 year old or even newer cartridges in things such as 30.06, 270, 308, 243, all the Winchester WSM & WSSM as well as the new 6.8 Western so I feel like if Winchester had invested as much in their marketing campaigns as Hornaday then the WSM & new 6.8 Western would be more popular. Hornaday marketing campaigns have a cult like following that think anything with PRC or Creedmoor behind it is the most wonderful thing in the world. I am a fan of new technology if the performance is there but I have seen entirely too many deer shot with 6.5cm that had no blood trail entrance & exit hole was not visible unless you combed hair back so along with the other concerns mentioned above thats why I say poor performance out of the 6.5 Creedmoor with a variety of ammo out of several guns. 7mm PRC sounds good but time will tell if the bullet performance is truly there for both thin skinned & heavy skinned game. I would like to see these new innovations and advancements in PRC, CM, & ARC be successful in the real world field performance for every cartridge but I personally know 8 people that tried the 6.5 CM and have lost confidence in the bullet performance and sold their guns and after seeing the results myself I don't blame them as I have no confidence in it anymore as a hunting round. Probably one of the best target rounds ever made though.
Another Great PodCast!!! Do you still load and sell your factory loaded 140 gr. Soft tip Boat tail in 270 Win?? For years I used this cartridge for Hunting and it did GREAT. It had Good weight retention, had the interlock ring, a Boat tail and was a tack driver in my Browning Bar! It was offered in your Custom lineup for years and then was offered in the Silver Box. Did you replace the soft spitzer style tip design with a polymer tip and now offer it in another product line? In the past few years I don't see it on the shelves?? Is it still available?? Thanks and Straight Shootin!!
I was gifted my 270 from a metallurgist in our deer camp that did some testing for some of the very first savage 110’s in 1997 ish. i put a recoil pad on it a few years back but i still use it with a 130 gr cx and filled my freezer with a nice buck. But as a young high schooler that thing with a plastic butt pad would bite you hard in the shoulder.
Jack O'Connor took grizzley with his .270 Win. I'm not recommending it, but I'm just noting that O'Connor did it. His museum in Lewiston, ID is worth a visit.
Starting with the 270 I always found the available bullets did way too much physical damage to the animal. Loss of meat was a problem until the new variety of bullets revived my enthusiasm for the 270.
😜 Did You Notice That The 270 Winchester Podcast Received More Viewers Than The 30-06 Podcast, Despite Being Made Later? 😯 Yes, the 270 Winchester is "More Popular"! 😎
Thanks for the feedback. I want to try that exact combo for big game as well. Already found it to be supremely accurate in my 270. Better than any other factory ammo.
What is comical is that .270 Winchester outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by nearly every metric, except for recoil and requiring a “long” action. And note that the 6.5 Creedmoor requires a magnum bolt diameter and magnum primers. Your 6.5 Creedmoor only starts to pull ahead at 600 yards or more. 99% of hunters a) never have a potential shot that long, and b) shouldn’t try it even if they do. The “lipstick on a pig” comment shows your bias. Hornady wants to sell ammo, bullets, and cases. I get that. However, would you actually reduce profits by advertising your 145 grain ELD-X bullet in .277 caliber and the Precision Hunter ammunition you make? I don’t think so.
I want to build a. 277 fury on Remington model 700 with a 16" barrel. I live on Prince of Wales island and I rarely shoot beyond 100yds. How is the availability of the cartridge?
I'd say it depends on which version of the ammo you want to use. The "real deal" 3 piece case cartridge is virtually non-existent commercially, but the lower pressure brass cased "practice" ammo is readily available on sites like Ammoseek.
The 270 shows the differences found between the older copper crusher pressure testing system and the more modern presssure-transducer method. The SAAMI max average pressure for the 270 is 52,000 psi with the crusher method and 50,000 psi for the 30-06. The max pressure spread using the modern transducer method is greater: 65,000psi for the 270 and 60,000 for the 30-06.
🥳 My Favorite Cartridge! Before I Challenge Your Knowledge Regarding The 270 Winchester and "Create Some Controversy", I Want To Point Out Some of It's Capabilities! Since You are Talking Coyotes and Deer/Antelope - Did You Know That Using Norma 204 Powder and a 110 grain Bullet (Like a TTSX or Accubond), You can push that weight bullet out at 3,500 ft/s! So, Zeroing the Rifle at 350 yards - you can have only +/- 4.5" of drop variation out to 400 yards and only 15" of drop out to 500 yards! That doesn't take alot of "Guesswork" to make that shot! 🎯
Love it when people in outdoors shows/videos use the word “run” instead of the correct word - “today for lunch I’m runnin’ a double cheeseburger and fries.”
With a safe full of rifles, the 270 Winchester and 140 Interlock BTSP has been my go-to hunting rig for a quarter of a century. Chucks, yotes, deer, elk. If I ever draw a goat or moose tag, it'll be the rifle I take.
The writers had to write. There was no controversy about the .270 Win. here in ranch country. The 6.5 Man Bun, on the other hand? Lets talk in 96 years.
🕵️♂️ Go To Vortex Nations Podcast and Watch the 270 Winchester "Outperform" the 300 WM, 7mm RM, 7mm prc, 30-06 Springfield, 6.5 Creedmore, etc...in the Copper Bullet Penetration Test (40+" and 36 1/2") and Do It With Far Less Recoil Than Most of the Competitors! 😎
🤠 Regarding the Faster Twist Barrels for the 270 Winchester in other Factory Rifles, You do have other rifle options Now! Howa makes it in a 1 in 9 twist barrel, Savage in 1 in 8 1/2 barrel, and I believe both Winchester and the "New" Remington Arms Company (Among "Others") is putting on a 1 in 8 twist barrel now! Lots more options are on the way (comming)! 🤗 It is My "Understanding", Regarding Twist Rate, That You Only Want Just Enough Twist to Stabilize the Bullet? Going "To Fast" on Twist Rate Will Effect Accuracy Negatively, I've Been Told By a Gunsmith! 😯
seems strange that they even bother going to 1:8 when the 1:10 people have shown all the 165 ABLR and 170 rounds still stablize in it, 1:9 should be more than enough with less stress on the barrel itself.
Who else thinks that was another marketing for the 6.5 creedmor I’m little disappointed in Hornady anymore and I live close to Hornady and I’m going with different ammo manufacturers should tell you something
I’ve been shooting the 270 for over 15 years now plus I’ve also been reloading it. That’s the one way to get the best performance out of it that you’re not gonna get out of the factory offerings. I’ve even gone a step and bought your guises factory precision Hunter bullet with 145 grain ELDX bullet Velocity was actually lower with the barrel length that I had they have a 22 inch barrel and I know that’s that’s that now. I have recently reloaded some of those 145 green EDX bullets to get the best performance I know unfortunately my rifle has always like to be a hot rod and like some hot Boy shot deer both within 5 to 10 minutes of each other using the 145 grain ELDX and I tell you what it hit like a hammer and it put them down on the ground after seeing that I will be getting more of those bullets and continuing to shoot and develop thatI have no doubt that bullet would do an elk at modest distances
My dad shot a Rem 721 270...when I got mine...Rem 700 270 LH.......love both. Shot deer, elk, pronghorn, prarrie dogs,and coyotes with both growing up. Hand load 110grn up to 160 Partitions(when I can find them). Have had good luck with all.
I am new to hunting but not new to shooting. Have BAR 30-06 that is sentimental so I was looking for a different rifle. I got a great deal on a Benelli . 270 so I'm looking forward to next deer season and getting out in the field with it.
Ran my old ruger m77 .270 win all weather past a mile with 90 grain sierras. 20 years ago, i dont remember the handload recipe. Have it in my old notebook. My pops still uses it and those 90s. We had a pile of the old blue 130gr x bullets loaded up. Saw a few of those still rolling around the ranch last year, they were mean rounds
Loved my .270win. Rifle barrel gave in a couple of years ago, and now I have a .308win. I should have gotten another .270win, it's sooooooo nice to shoot 350meters and closer. I took Kudu, Gemsbuck, blackwildebeest, blesbuck and loads of springbuck with bonded 130gr bullets.
The only reason I would ever take a 6.5 cm over a 270 is to shoot paper at 1000yds....the exact reason the 6.5 cm was manufactured...by Hornady. The 270 is tried and true, and the 6.5 is a target cartridge that doesn't stand up to the 270 until you're out at 500yds, and nobody needs to shoot 500yds at medium sized game.
For some reason I had a choice between a 270 and a 30-06. Toyed with the purchase between the two for several days and bought the 30-06. I have loaded lots of 270 and still have alot of brass and bullets for them. A pair of 7400 autoloaders were great in 270. I like a 150gr 30cal bullet in my 308. The 06 adds just a tad more performance.. Probably acquire a 270 though down the road. 200 yards is about max in distance available to hunt in the woods around here so the added distance on the 270 is not needed. If I do need distance, my 7mm Mag fills that very well. Super long ways out, 300 Wby... Great video. Every cartridge has its niche in nastolgia and its purpose. The difference in tge new cartridges like the Creedmoor, PRCs and that 6.8 Western eat more copper and lead in the heavy for cal bullets. I like my 220 Swift too as a traditionalist.
Been shooting a 270 with a variety of handloaded bullets since 1980. Owned a few other rifles and used them all but when you go to the field you need to pick one you are going to carry. I leave the ‘06, the 9.3, the 260 and take the 270 if I am serious about bringing home something. Mine is loaded with 140 Hornady interlocks, but tried others like Noslers and ELD X, Sst’s. Pretty well do in everything I am after. The ‘06 is a 270 on a protein diet, not needed, the 260 is incredibly accurate but doesn’t kill as hard. The p9.3 is carried in Grizzly country only. Don’t think I can outgrow my 270.
The old adage if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, proof’s in the pudding. 100 yr old calibre still relevant today, been shooting it near on 50yrs, kicks like a mule sometimes but not like a magnum.
I had a 270 win in a BAR. But I just wanted to say that I had read that they backed the 270 back down because hunters were complaining that it was blowing the deer up. Mainly because of the meat damage. I believe that was in an outdoor life article.
100 year old round that is still to this day WAY better than most other rounds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 years, and will be popular for 100 more.
I wouldn't say "way" better. But still holding its own, and still a solid pick for an all around capable performer.
My God.... we're so blessed to have y'all and the Vortex crew to ramble on about various cartridges.
I just got back into rifle shooting from being obsessed with waterfowl hunting for years, and it's great to hear these talks from them, and Hornady.
I’ve been a Dirty /06 my entire life and love it. Recently bought a 270 Husqvarna . Been reloading for it and it is absolutely amazing. Light recoil super fast flat shooting and accurate. One doesn’t need much more . Does everything
Husqvarnas are great old guns!! They made a sweet 16ga sxs to but still their mauser actions are some of the best! cool stocks to! Older Husqvarnas and older Tikkas are where its at!
^True that, my dad just picked up an old Husqvarna chambered in 270 and I couldn’t believe how smooth the action is
Try the Barnes 85gr TSX. My 23" barrell clocks at 3812fps. Beats a 22-250 with 40gr at 3850fps. Win 760 and Big Game powders.
I'm an old man now, and remember well the role of the 270 in the Midwest "back in the day" When I started hunting in the 70's "Deer Camp" was still the way most people hunted. You built a stand or blind, and that was your spot. It did not take long for the guys who sat on field edges to gravitate to the 270win. My bet is if you thought 300 yards was possible from your stand a 270 or 30-06 was what you packed. There were no rangefinders and you shot from unsupported positions from a few 2x4's nailed to a tree. or from a lawn chair behind a log pile. I saw 7mm mags, and a few 264win mags, but the field or pasture edge was owned by the 270win. Guys that hunted groundhogs liked the 243win and 257Roberts. The 30-30 was still the king, and guys that had stands set up in thickets and young timber loved the 94's and 336, those two also dominated the deer drive camps. WWII vets were the wise old sages of camp, and lots of them would never give up the 30-06 and I don't blame them. The transition from small tractor and combine farming had started and was in full swing in the 80's. And I'm not talking 16 row this transition was from 2 row to 4, 6 or 8 row farming. That and the death of the small family farm changed the landscape. I mention this because a lot of small fields or back corners of fields were going fallow, causing a lot of hunters to focus on some Brushie Fields and thick edges of hardwoods regeneration. And that kept the 30-30 on top for another decade or two. Now you see the same thing in Deer Management recreating what we had, due to the change in ag practices back then.
Back in the timber the 270win held its own quite well, as the affordability of good scopes was rising, and my bet is the average deer rifle switched to a scoped gun in the 70's in the Midwest. And if you came from a lever gun, a scoped rifle made you feel like you could kill anything you saw, if you had a "Flat Cartridge". The 270 was the most common round that fit that description at least if you read the hunting magazines. Core lock and Silvertips were what you found in every hardware store. (that's where we bought guns, Or from guys with FFL's who mostly worked from home in a garage or basement. There were not that many gun shops. So even if you wanted a 7mm Express/280rem, 300savage, or Weatherby mag you had to get ammo in the summer to make sure you had enough for the fall. That kept a lot of guys buying "standard" ammo. The 308 was making big gains, as new guns in camp seemed to be 308's or 270's or 243's the same way as the 6.5 CM is dominating now. Deer were a new thing in many parts of the country. Family's in my area did not have traditions of deer camp, as the return of deer was something witnessed by the WWII generation in my area. The Quail and Rabbits and Clouds of Ducks were gone, were giving way to the Deer, as the game animal that dominated the fall. It's weird to think that things have changed that much in the last 50 years. All the wives tails about deer behavior, and the new tech applied to the hunt. It's better now but I really wish I could go back to one of those camps one last time. If there is a heaven waiting for me I bet it smells like wood smoke and Cigars. Full of tails of 10 pointers slipping through the morning fog, ribbing about missed shots. Vets telling tales of the war in Europe, and lots of laughter, friendly arguments about card games and calibers, drooping skinning poles and my old Winchester 70 in 270 leaning up in the corner.
What an awesome piece of history! The .270 Winchester is such a piece of American history and I’m glad you were able to enjoy it.
The Model 70 is THE perfect gun for a .270 Winchester as well.
Well written, you take be back through time as I also loved in that era. It is sad that the hunting traditions, camps, fun, passing of knowledge and generational history from elders down through to the youngsters and everyone in between has all but disappeared these days. 😢
Thank you Mr O’Connor! Oh, my mistake, you had me right with you as you relived the whole experience I thought you were the master himself! Cannot thank you enough for than fantastic excerpt. You are a fine writer, thank you for taking me on that trip!!!!
Thanks for sharing 🇺🇸
Shot 270 for the last 35 years, it's never let me down. I hunt in North FL and South Ga, taken, bucks and hogs, never failed me. You guys are right on the money with your instructions. I have never taken a shot further than 185 yards. Keep up the great work! GOD Bless HM🙏
I am enjoying these cartridge history casts about as much as I have the external/internal ballistics casts. Outstanding job, guys!
Second that
You're damn right you'll get hate in the comments. The real reason you dont like fast twist 270s is because it put a serious shiner on the 6.5 prc
Yup lol. Hornady does NOT want the .270 (6.8 Western as well) to succeed because they are not investing in the caliber.
The .270 Win is better than both the 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5 PRC if loaded properly. This scares them.
@@hunterjohnson5635270 win, 130 accubond with RL26 at 3250 FPS from a 22 inch barrel. It’s over 1800 fps at 800 yards. It may be easier and faster to find a load to shoot in the modern offerings but if you can get a 270 to shoot well, there’s no need to buy a new 6.5 if you already have a 270 in the safe.
Apples to oranges
@colefahey9032 yea you are right the 6.5 prc underperforms compared to the slow twist 270. That makes it to trash to even compare to a real cartridge
Trurh
My first deer rifle as a kid was a Ruger M77 Ultralight in 270 Win. That rifle has taken many deer for me over the years and even a couple elk. I have always really loved the 270. Fairly light recoiling, capable of taking all American hoofed game, fast, flat and just does what it is supposed to do. I still hunt with a 270 more than any other caliber.
M77 ultralight walnut is my favorite, factory Ruger 77 stocks fit me better than any other factory stock. I need to get an old m77. I prefer the smoother action on m700 or m70 but I don’t have issue with that more “wiggley” mauser bolt motion, the Ruger 77 is awsome
Hey Captain....that is my exact deer rifle...mine was born in '84. I have several deer rifles to pick from, but every year, I continue to take it to the woods. Whitetail and bear both. .270 is king
@@dchaney40 Mine is an '84 vintage as well, and like you I still use that same rifle regularly even though I too have a lot more rifles to choose from nowadays. As you say, out to ~400yds the .270 really can't be beat.
Me too, mark 2 m77 paddle stock man I miss that rifle.
Love these podcast. Ask my old man any rifle he could have and he will always swear by the 270. With some of these new bullets and a faster twist it's pretty hard to beat honestly.
The .270 Winchester won't ever die.
It is a very special round that does what it was designed to do perfectly.
Most bolt people are not distance or paper motivated.
They are hunters who want game in the freezer without having to walk a half-mile to retrieve it.
If they have a .270 in North America, they need nothing else.
If they don't, many will get one.
Got my first buck ever this season with my .270 using a Hornady CX. I am grinning ear to ear listening to this podcast.
Congratulations! I just switched to the CX this year for my 270 and it worked perfectly on a large doe.
Interestingly enough, when you pit the 270 against 6.5 Creedmoor with current Hornady ELDX bullets, the 270 Winchester out shines the 6.5 Creedmoor. As people, we enjoy new and neglect old often. I favor the 270.
Isn't it great that there are so many choices.
Ya but the 6.5 Creed fits in the AR-10 platform. I do love the 270win.
The 145 ELDX and modern powders breathe new life into the .270WCF. I can get the 145 hitting 2950 at the muzzle- it's a killing machine near or far!
Yes, I always enjoy these cartridge talks!
Good to hear!
As a teen in the early 1970s I poured over the cartridge table in the Winchester catalog. Still remember the 270 130 grain trajectory numbers zero +1.5" at 100 yards and -6.6" at 300 yards. Have three 270s in my safe. All moa and better with handloads. Not to mention the hammer of Thor on whitetails.
270 and 30 out 6 is by far my favorite round thanks for sharing and giving it some love
Right on
I love my .270s. They have never disappointed me.
What models do you recommend?
Bullets or guns?
Legendary cartridge indeed . Great history lesson once again thank you Hornady podcast. As I was listening I kept telling myself. Jack O'Connor has to be mentioned. Can't talk 270 without him.
Looking forward to uo coming podcast.
Jack O’Connor was a donkey.
BC boy here, born and raised. Grew up hunting big mulies, moose and black bears. My first rifle was a Enfield of course but my next rifle when I was 20 was a M700 mountain rifle in .270. Many a mulie, black bear and moose fell to the crack of that that rifle touching off. It still in the family. Taking the same game just with the next generation 😎
i'm glad you guy's got around to talking about the 270 Winchester. I've been Load developing, Handloading and Long Range shooting for over 50+ years. I have developed loads for dozens of cartridges over the years and by far the two greatest were the 30-06 and the 270 Winchester. Just recently I loaded some of your 145 grain ELDX Hornady bullets with Reloader 22 to 3207 feet per second out of my 24 inch barrel Weatherby Vanguard Rifle. That load is 1.7 grains under Max. It shot a .315 sub MOA group. Witnessed by several people. I'm currently building a 270 with a 28 inch barrel and faster twist rate. If there is one thing the 270 needs is a longer barrel. You cannot beat the old War Horses.
Anything from an 06 case is pretty capable for the majority or what most people need. 25/06, 270, 30/06, 35 whelen. Those 4 alone are a very versatile caliber selection
Great podcast guys. Should say living in British Columbia many moose a year are successfully taken with the 270. Usually shooting over the counter ammo American Whitetail Interlocks, Power Points and Federal Power Shok ect
My personal All-Purpose Hunting Rifle is: Browning X-Bolt Pro Bronze in .270 Win chambering using the Muzzle Brake, Burris 3-12x42mm (Illuminated Reticle) with a Hand-Loaded Hornady 145 Grain ELD-X & MagPro powder going 3020 fps and a 1/4 inch group @ 100 yards. The set-up is lightweight overall at under 7 pounds (Gun, Mounts, Scope, Sling, Loaded Magazine). Yet it kicks less than my .243 Winchester. I have a choice of rifles from the ones that I own, but I take this one nearly Everytime. 😊
25-06 was more comparable for flat shooting compared to 270 Win than 22-250 that was mentioned here.
🕵️♂️ Did You Know That a 1 in 10 twist 270 Will Stabilize Bullets Heavier Than 150 grains? Using a 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet with a Muzzle Velocity of 2,800 ft/s (I Hunt Elk at Between 9,000 ft and 12,000 ft Elevations), the 270 bullet Will Maintain a Velocity of Over 2,000 ft/s and 1,500 ft lbs of energy (Deemed The Minimal Amount Needed to Kill an Elk) Out To Over 1/2 Mile (800+ yards)! I Don't Advocate Shooting Game Animals That Far, But The 270 Has The Ability to Do It and With Minimal Recoil In Comparison to ANY Other Cartridges That Can Do So As Well! 😱
I’m not an elk hunter but just for fun I got some Speer Grand Slams in 160 and 175 grain weights to load in 7x57 Mauser. For even more eye opening surprise look at the data for the ABLR and Partion 175 grain bullets in the 7x57 in the latest Nosler manual at close to around 2600 fps out of a 24” barrel. Run the numbers through any good ballistic calculator. BC for the Partition not as high for the ABLR but on the average when sighted just a little over 3.5” high at 100 yards or dead on at 250 they are just 4” high at the trajectory apex at 150 yards before falling to about 4.6” low at 300 while still clocking around 2150 fps with about 1750 ft lbs remaining kinetic energy. Still running about 2075 fps with around 1650 ft lbs or so at 350 yards and down around 11 inches. Even at 400 yards still clocking about 2000 fps with 1500 ft pounds and down about 19”. I’m quoting these numbers from memory but I think I’m pretty close on these averages for the two different bullets. With the ‘06 sized 270 case I think you may get some even better averages but it shows what can be done with modern powders and bullets. My 270 is an early 70’s Ruger 77 and my 7x57 is a custom job built on an early (1914) Kar 98 small ring 98 Mauser action. That’s plenty strong enough for any load from any modern loading manual. These loads should be good for maximum effective point blank range out to 300 yards or maybe a little farther on elk sized game. With the right sized and quality constructed bullets you really don’t need a magnum anything for most anything on the North American continent as long as you put it in the right spot.
😃 Yes, Advancements in Modern Bullets and Powders Certainly Have Changed Things For the Classic Cartridges and Made Them Even Better! Mild Recoiling Rifles Help You to Put the Bullet Where It Needs to Go Too! 🎯
I shoot a 270w tikka in match competition production class. Sierra make a match bullet in 135gn . I compete against all calibers and on most club days I win and this out to ranges to 1000yds. I am the only shooter that uses a 270 and everyone is surprised how good it shoots
I was a sceptic until recently, I now own a .270 and I shot a samba doe at 80 yards with 130gr. Stopped her in her tracks. Appreciate your opinion’s keep up the great work🇦🇺
My dad bought a 270 Winchester in in 1961. It was his only centerfire cartridge for many years. He killed many deer, coyotes, and a few varmints. After moving to Alaska, it worked perfectly for caribou and even a couple of moose. I proudly used it this past Fall to take a whitetail. A handload with a plain 130 grain Hornady Interlock did the job.
Picked up a Sako Finnbear in 270 Win at auction 15 years ago. Got it for a song. It's a tack-driver. sub moa at 200 yrds with handloads.
I love the 270. Especially in a wood stock. Second favorite is 7mm 08. With the difference in thousandths of a inch it now makes sense why i like the 7 08 too.
Two Great Choices! 🤑
7mm-08 is one those cartridges that does not get the respect it deserves.
Both Are Amazing Cartridges, Especially For Deer! 🦌
I have a Tikka t3 270. Very accurate. New copper bullets change things. Take a 270 over 6.5 creed or 6.5 prc. But the 7 prc might be closest 1 gun option out there
270 my favorite round. grew up with 3006 with 185 grain or larger as a kid. My dad in military. Got tired of recoil of 3006 , 270 just works always drops deer, Antelope, in their tracks .
.270 Corelokt - the deadliest mushroom in the woods
Heresy to post that here! I like your style! Haha
Excellent wrap up Seth. Well said and actually very thoughtful.
I will say that if manufacturers supported the .277 class with higher BC bullets and the firearms manufacturers pumped out fast twist 270 factory options, I’d own a library of them.
I could listen to these videos all day long. I killed my first muley and pronghorn with a 280 Remington while using my uncle's 1983 CJ7 to get round his ranch. But, as y'all said, a 270 shooting a 130 grainer is certainly a classic and highly effective muley and pronghorn cartridge that I love to use. And yes, the CJ7 is still in the family. Great job boys!
I've hunted with the grand ole 270 for over fifty years and it has never let me down,my freezer proves that point, I purchased a xbolt stainless stalker ten years ago in that caliber and am amazed at the golf ball sized grouping at two hundred yards, shot placement to me is the game changer , and the extra bonus is the availability of that ammo pretty well anywhere you go.
I have been using the 270WIN 140 SST Superformance ammo for going on a decade now. I have that ammo running at about 3190 fps MV out of my REM 700 custom with a Lilja barrel. That seemed fast to me but the drops were proved out to 500 meters. The SST bullets are deadly on whitetails.
That's a slick setup. How long is the barrel?
24"
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@@shitsngiggles8371 24"
🤷♂️ How About Making the 160 grain Interbond for the 270 Caliber/270 Winchester? The 160 grain Nosler Partition Has Been Around Forever and Could Use A Horneday "Upgrade"/"Replacement"! 😎
🤑 Since the 270 Winchester is One of the Top 5 Selling Calibers of All Times, Can't You Find a Way to Give It "A Little More Love" For It's 100th Anniversary? 😪
I spoke with Seth a few months ago about bringing the Interbond back. He said basically the bonding process is a pain more or less and difficult to maintain accuracy because of it. So they more than likely won’t make them anymore.
☹ Sad! However, the 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet Doesn't Have Accuracy Problems (Nor does the 150 grain Nosler ABLR Bullets Out of My 270 Winchester - It Shoot Great), So I Think That They Are Making a Big Mistake! But, Someone Else Will Fill That Void! I Know That Hammer Bullets Has a 162 grain 0.277 Bullet Out Now! Not My First Choice, But Someone Will Make it Happen, Because the 277 Has Alot of New Cartridges Clamoring For It, Let Alone Alot of 270 Winchester Lovers...Like You and I! 🤗
🤑 Horneday Has Went "All In" on Copper Bullets and I Get It! They Are Much Cheaper and Easier to Make and You Can Shape That Monolithic Bullet However You Want Too! But, To Me, Lead Core Bullets Still Have a Place and I Prefer Their Performance At Distance! Also, That Swift A-Frame Bullet at Closer Ranges Performs as Well as Any Bullet Out Their on Tough Critters! 🥊😵
Great podcast. You said it well when you said browning really improved the 270 with a faster twist and a short action. Being able to shoot longer ranger with the heavier bullets is an awesome design. I hope you guys will start making the 6.8 western ammo. It is a great design.
Thanks for sharing.
Which cartridges did you have the most calls on and why? That might make a good podcast topic.
I purchased a 270 win. as my first hunting rifle. I use copper bullets depending on the bullet and powder load I've ranged from 3050 to 3200 fps. I've shot 5 animals with it, including elk out to 465 yards, and it has performed wonderfully. Currently shooting 124 gr hammer bullets going 3150fps with about .6 moa groups at 100. I'll just say I know it will kill. I've only had to track one animal, and that was a scope issue in the field that caused a shot placement issue. Everything else has dropped very quickly. I got the rifle because at the time it was at a price I could afford. the bullets available have lower bc than the 6.5 offerings and better bcs than some of the 7mm options and for the person who wants to do a lot with one rifle the 270 fits that niche very well.
Oh yeah baby!!! Another great cartridge!!!
This is off topic, but I wanted to praise Hornady 308 ELD-M ammo. My son and I entered a 600 yard F-Class match last weekend. My son with an off the shelf Daniel Defense Delta 3 in 6 Creedmoor shot a 599 aggregate with 28 x's and I shot a 598 with 40 x's. I shot an off the shelf savage Ft/r model 12. We got first and second place for the club match and both of us are positive we can shoot a 600 score with this ammo. I used 168g. Thank you for producing amazing match grade ammo.
As far as recoil is concerned, a lot of youth hunt mentors/guides put a muzzle brake on a .270win and let the kids have at it. I put a brake on mine when I bought it due to a shoulder injury and haven’t regretted having it on there yet. Tames any recoil there may have been down to almost nothing.
Great comment. Brakes are often overlooked. I'm looking at building a rifle for my 13 year old niece who's small framed but wants to start deer hunting with her Dad and brother. I want to build her a 7mm-08 due to the lighter recoil with the caveat that if even that is still too much for her, I can always install a brake on it and really tame it down.
Stop comparing the 270 to the 6.5cm. The 270 is far more comparable to the 6.5prc. Powder capacity, bullet weight, velocity. One has a more frontal diameter the other is better out past 500yds
🕵️♂️ Go to Reloading Weatherby's Podcast and Watch the 270 Winchester "Outperform" the 6.5 prc at 1/2 Mile! 😜
Now with 165 gr and 170 gr watch it be comparable to the 6.5s beyond 500 yards to 700, 800 yards and maybe more.
I still run 270 but it does kick my butt, only because I am a 75 year old 11 Bravo Viet Nam Veteran that hated the 5.56.
8:50-ish - "I'm not taking my .270 coyote hunting..."
There are certainly "better" choices if looking for pelts, but if dealing with coyotes taking calves, sheep, chickens or threatening the family hund, then whatever is readily available is the "right" cartridge... .270 Win is def a reliable tool for that problem.
A friend’s dad leased land to cow farmers. Coyote problem. I took one with my .270 and still have the fur hanging on my wall.
I Have owned and shot Winchester Model 70 since I were a yonker (many years ago). I currently own a Jack O'Connor tribute model 70, A beautiful rifle that has to be seen and fired to be appreciated.
As a previous owner of a 270 I will tell you it is the one rifle ( and I have done this twice) the I regret selling. I have hunted for 40 Years now and I have yet to find a rife combination I like more then the Rem7600 and tje 270 win . I still have the 30-06 in the same rifle but the 270 was my favorite. From coyote to moose just havnt found anything I like more .
It’s unfortunate that the 270 WSM doesn’t get more love hard to find ammo or just brass for it, right now it’s hard to find plain bullets for 270 over all. I do enjoy the podcasts keep up the good work great information and very informative.
.270 with 150 grain round nose for a woods load. Down in the sticks you don't need much for speed and can do without the excess carcass damage that often comes with faster loads.
Had a friend around 1998 that wanted rid of her Rem 700 .270 BDL because she said it kicked too hard. I had never even shot one before, but it was at a price that if I passed it up, I'd have been an idiot. I usually shot .30-06, so how bad could it be, right? To this day, I still love that rifle.
🕵️♂️ Having Went to the "Bigger 30 Calibers" and Then Come Back to the 270 Winchester and 30-06, I Don't Feel "Lacking" in Anything! 1/2 Century of Hunting Has Taught Me It Is More About Shot Placement and Good Bullet Selection, Than It is About Raw Horsepower! 🎯
I own a Winchester model 70 in .270 that was my Dads rifle and i still use that rifle today. I still handload the same ole 130 grain interlocks at 3100 fps that he did. Is there better bullets...sure. However they worked in the 60s and 70s and they work just fine today. Its a 1930 era rifle that has taken game all over North America.....and yes 6.5 CM bullets do bounce off deer😂😂😂
When the 270 came out it was no big deal! It’s not until the scope came on the scene and Jack O’Conner started using both and seeing what the 2 could do together that it started really gaining in popularity! The scope and the 270 was a match made in heaven and the rest is history! My father hunted with the 270 in the 40’s but he really didn’t think that much of it until the pre64 featherweight came with it and he was using the 308 at the time in the pre64 and saw the advantage of the 270 with the scope and also using John Nosler Partitions in the early 50’s from a friend John! Jack O’Conner was such a great promoter that he brought the 270 and it’s great ballistics to the public’s attention and the rest is history!
Great discussion! The 270 was also my first rifle in a Rem 721 bolt action. Thats been over 55 years ago.
The best bullet i found for reloading was the 130grn Bronze Point. I believe it was a Remington or Winchester bullet. Put that over a moderate load og imr4831, CCI 200 primer and i was good to go.
Wish i still had that rifle.
I remember it well. Bronze point was Remington. My 270 go to powder for 130s is IMR 4350. H4831 for the 135 Matchking.
When I bought my first 270 it was one rifle to do it all in the early '70s. 90 grain bullet for varmint and coyotes 140 grand bullet Sierra boat tail hollow point for deer spitzer 150 grain bullets for heavier game elk round nose nausea partition 160 grain would do anything I needed it to do
Outdoor Life Magazine and Jack O'Connor is the reason I bought an M77 in 270 40 years ago. Wow I've taken so much game with this thing . Elk mule deer , whitetail, pronghorn, and of course a few coyote!
Will a 270 win with a standard twist rate stabilize the 145 grain ELD-x?
Yep, 1 in 10" will be just fine
JUST IF - they would make match grade competition rifles in 270 like they do w the 6.5cm
I get how you have to pump your new cartridges. They just don’t do anything new and they make all ammo more scarce. Last I checked, gravity is still constant.
Thank you for this great podcast
Our pleasure!
I have major concerns with the 6.5 CM after personally watching folks shoot deer then help them track them.
I have seen very poor results no matter shot placement with 3 different varieties of ammo. Shoulder shots through lung & heart, high shoulder lung only, neck...
Winchester & S&B both in Soft point and Barnes TTSX.
I have seen better performance with 243 / 24cal which is a smaller & shorter projectile over the 6.5 / 26cal.
I have have a theory that the 6.5's longer projectile that is moving faster has proven to not expand as much as other rounds in the real world. I think the longer projectile is having a harder time to expand than that of a shorter projectile like the smaller Caliber in 243 resulting in smaller entrance & exit holes in 6.5CM than that of the 243.
Entrance & exit holes on deer are barely visible with 6.5CM after combing hair back resulting in lack of blood from several SP loads as well as Barnes TTSX.
Last year my buddy's son shot a buck through both shoulders, ran for over 200yds & didn't leave a blood trail with Winchester SP.
This year shot another buck that ran over 200yds marginal blood lost the deer after loosing blood trail.
Shot a doe at 60yds, deer was found 75yds from where it was shot. Back tracked blood trail for only 20yds so deer failed to bleed for first 55yds with Barnes TTSX & projectile did not pass through or exit deer.
Another friend shot 2 deer with Browning Hells Canyon & lost both & knows he had good shots no blood.
Another hunter at our club shot a buck in the neck with Winchester SP and he said the buck took a few steps before it fell. After inspection the projectile entered neck obviously hit bone & ricochet down deers body to hind quarter. Never have I ever shot or heard of a deer being shot in the neck that it didn't drop immediately.
It would be interesting for someone with a greater knowledge like yourself to take a deeper dive into this.
I was a fan not a hater but I have major concerns after seeing so many deer shot that didn't bleed even if it was successful harvest. You may not always be able to track a deer 200 plus yards without any blood through pine thickets, clear cuts & briar thickets.
I think the popularity of all the Hornaday PRC & Creedmoor cartridges are due to their marketing campaigns more than the true overall performance over other 100 year old or even newer cartridges in things such as 30.06, 270, 308, 243, all the Winchester WSM & WSSM as well as the new 6.8 Western so I feel like if Winchester had invested as much in their marketing campaigns as Hornaday then the WSM & new 6.8 Western would be more popular.
Hornaday marketing campaigns have a cult like following that think anything with PRC or Creedmoor behind it is the most wonderful thing in the world.
I am a fan of new technology if the performance is there but I have seen entirely too many deer shot with 6.5cm that had no blood trail entrance & exit hole was not visible unless you combed hair back so along with the other concerns mentioned above thats why I say poor performance out of the 6.5 Creedmoor with a variety of ammo out of several guns. 7mm PRC sounds good but time will tell if the bullet performance is truly there for both thin skinned & heavy skinned game. I would like to see these new innovations and advancements in PRC, CM, & ARC be successful in the real world field performance for every cartridge but I personally know 8 people that tried the 6.5 CM and have lost confidence in the bullet performance and sold their guns and after seeing the results myself I don't blame them as I have no confidence in it anymore as a hunting round. Probably one of the best target rounds ever made though.
Another Great PodCast!!! Do you still load and sell your factory loaded 140 gr. Soft tip Boat tail in 270 Win?? For years I used this cartridge for Hunting and it did GREAT. It had Good weight retention, had the interlock ring, a Boat tail and was a tack driver in my Browning Bar! It was offered in your Custom lineup for years and then was offered in the Silver Box. Did you replace the soft spitzer style tip design with a polymer tip and now offer it in another product line? In the past few years I don't see it on the shelves?? Is it still available?? Thanks and Straight Shootin!!
Thanks for the comment! We still load it but it is now in the American Whitetail line
When I lived in Alaska I knew a lot of guys that used the 270 for moose, caribou and sheep.
I have a Bergara b14 hunter in 270 win love that combo.
I was gifted my 270 from a metallurgist in our deer camp that did some testing for some of the very first savage 110’s in 1997 ish. i put a recoil pad on it a few years back but i still use it with a 130 gr cx and filled my freezer with a nice buck. But as a young high schooler that thing with a plastic butt pad would bite you hard in the shoulder.
Jack O'Connor took grizzley with his .270 Win. I'm not recommending it, but I'm just noting that O'Connor did it. His museum in Lewiston, ID is worth a visit.
Starting with the 270 I always found the available bullets did way too much physical damage to the animal. Loss of meat was a problem until the new variety of bullets revived my enthusiasm for the 270.
😜 Did You Notice That The 270 Winchester Podcast Received More Viewers Than The 30-06 Podcast, Despite Being Made Later? 😯 Yes, the 270 Winchester is "More Popular"! 😎
I’m found the .270 Superformance CX ammunition to be outstanding. Match-grade consistency and great performance on a cow elk this year.
Thanks for the feedback. I want to try that exact combo for big game as well. Already found it to be supremely accurate in my 270. Better than any other factory ammo.
My dad shot a 7mm rem my grandad shot a 308. My dad bought me a 270. I traded it off on a 7mm. Only gun i would want back. Great caliber
What is comical is that .270 Winchester outperforms 6.5 Creedmoor by nearly every metric, except for recoil and requiring a “long” action. And note that the 6.5 Creedmoor requires a magnum bolt diameter and magnum primers.
Your 6.5 Creedmoor only starts to pull ahead at 600 yards or more. 99% of hunters a) never have a potential shot that long, and b) shouldn’t try it even if they do.
The “lipstick on a pig” comment shows your bias. Hornady wants to sell ammo, bullets, and cases. I get that. However, would you actually reduce profits by advertising your 145 grain ELD-X bullet in .277 caliber and the Precision Hunter ammunition you make? I don’t think so.
I want to build a. 277 fury on Remington model 700 with a 16" barrel. I live on Prince of Wales island and I rarely shoot beyond 100yds. How is the availability of the cartridge?
I'd say it depends on which version of the ammo you want to use. The "real deal" 3 piece case cartridge is virtually non-existent commercially, but the lower pressure brass cased "practice" ammo is readily available on sites like Ammoseek.
The 270 shows the differences found between the older copper crusher pressure testing system and the more modern presssure-transducer method. The SAAMI max average pressure for the 270 is 52,000 psi with the crusher method and 50,000 psi for the 30-06. The max pressure spread using the modern transducer method is greater: 65,000psi for the 270 and 60,000 for the 30-06.
Also piezo transducer can detect transient pressure spikes that the copper crusher can not.
Not so much as a passing mention of the 6.8W is pretty crazy, that cartridge really got the guys in the suits spooked.
Hornady is scared to death of the 6.8 Western. All their Prc rounds suck
🥳 My Favorite Cartridge! Before I Challenge Your Knowledge Regarding The 270 Winchester and "Create Some Controversy", I Want To Point Out Some of It's Capabilities! Since You are Talking Coyotes and Deer/Antelope - Did You Know That Using Norma 204 Powder and a 110 grain Bullet (Like a TTSX or Accubond), You can push that weight bullet out at 3,500 ft/s! So, Zeroing the Rifle at 350 yards - you can have only +/- 4.5" of drop variation out to 400 yards and only 15" of drop out to 500 yards! That doesn't take alot of "Guesswork" to make that shot! 🎯
Love it when people in outdoors shows/videos use the word “run” instead of the correct word - “today for lunch I’m runnin’ a double cheeseburger and fries.”
With a safe full of rifles, the 270 Winchester and 140 Interlock BTSP has been my go-to hunting rig for a quarter of a century. Chucks, yotes, deer, elk. If I ever draw a goat or moose tag, it'll be the rifle I take.
The writers had to write. There was no controversy about the .270 Win. here in ranch country. The 6.5 Man Bun, on the other hand? Lets talk in 96 years.
I’ll keep my .270 Win with my 1:8 twist in a 26” barrel. Good to go at a grand. Boo Hoo to all three of you.
.277 projectiles are actually when loaded are 7.03 mm, the original 7mm, 150 gr Accubond turns the 270 loose.
🕵️♂️ Go To Vortex Nations Podcast and Watch the 270 Winchester "Outperform" the 300 WM, 7mm RM, 7mm prc, 30-06 Springfield, 6.5 Creedmore, etc...in the Copper Bullet Penetration Test (40+" and 36 1/2") and Do It With Far Less Recoil Than Most of the Competitors! 😎
🤠 Regarding the Faster Twist Barrels for the 270 Winchester in other Factory Rifles, You do have other rifle options Now! Howa makes it in a 1 in 9 twist barrel, Savage in 1 in 8 1/2 barrel, and I believe both Winchester and the "New" Remington Arms Company (Among "Others") is putting on a 1 in 8 twist barrel now! Lots more options are on the way (comming)! 🤗 It is My "Understanding", Regarding Twist Rate, That You Only Want Just Enough Twist to Stabilize the Bullet? Going "To Fast" on Twist Rate Will Effect Accuracy Negatively, I've Been Told By a Gunsmith! 😯
Will the Model 70s get updated twist rates??
I Think So! Probably For It's 100th Anniversary? 🥳
We Are Almost to Shot Show 2024! So If It Doesn't Appear Next Month, We Will Have to Wait a Whole Year More! 😪
seems strange that they even bother going to 1:8 when the 1:10 people have shown all the 165 ABLR and 170 rounds still stablize in it, 1:9 should be more than enough with less stress on the barrel itself.
🕵️♂️ Since Copper Seems To Be "The Wave of the Future", Especially For Horneday, I Think That You Are Right! 🤑
Who else thinks that was another marketing for the 6.5 creedmor I’m little disappointed in Hornady anymore and I live close to Hornady and I’m going with different ammo manufacturers should tell you something
I have a new x-bolt in 270win with the faster twist shooting 155lrx barnes bullets at 3100fps
Holy beans
Barrel length?
26inches and i used grand and mag power from ramshot to get this
I’ve been shooting the 270 for over 15 years now plus I’ve also been reloading it. That’s the one way to get the best performance out of it that you’re not gonna get out of the factory offerings. I’ve even gone a step and bought your guises factory precision Hunter bullet with 145 grain ELDX bullet Velocity was actually lower with the barrel length that I had they have a 22 inch barrel and I know that’s that’s that now. I have recently reloaded some of those 145 green EDX bullets to get the best performance I know unfortunately my rifle has always like to be a hot rod and like some hot Boy shot deer both within 5 to 10 minutes of each other using the 145 grain ELDX and I tell you what it hit like a hammer and it put them down on the ground after seeing that I will be getting more of those bullets and continuing to shoot and develop thatI have no doubt that bullet would do an elk at modest distances
My dad shot a Rem 721 270...when I got mine...Rem 700 270 LH.......love both. Shot deer, elk, pronghorn, prarrie dogs,and coyotes with both growing up. Hand load 110grn up to 160 Partitions(when I can find them). Have had good luck with all.
I am new to hunting but not new to shooting. Have BAR 30-06 that is sentimental so I was looking for a different rifle. I got a great deal on a Benelli . 270 so I'm looking forward to next deer season and getting out in the field with it.
Ran my old ruger m77 .270 win all weather past a mile with 90 grain sierras. 20 years ago, i dont remember the handload recipe. Have it in my old notebook. My pops still uses it and those 90s. We had a pile of the old blue 130gr x bullets loaded up. Saw a few of those still rolling around the ranch last year, they were mean rounds
Another great video! Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Loved my .270win. Rifle barrel gave in a couple of years ago, and now I have a .308win. I should have gotten another .270win, it's sooooooo nice to shoot 350meters and closer.
I took Kudu, Gemsbuck, blackwildebeest, blesbuck and loads of springbuck with bonded 130gr bullets.
The .270 is a great round, as a reloader I wish I could still get the Hornady Interbond in 150s.
🕵️♂️ You can, but you have to be a Reloader! 🤷♂️
I'm disappointed the 140gr SST has been discontinued. The 140 always shot better than the 130 out of my 700. might have to try the 145 ELDX
Hornaday made a 140 light magnum that was amazing. Only bought 1 box and then they discontinued it. Just about every bullet got a buck
Will you guys ever make 6.8 western ammo? I know your competitors designed it but you guys make better ammo then they do.....
The only reason I would ever take a 6.5 cm over a 270 is to shoot paper at 1000yds....the exact reason the 6.5 cm was manufactured...by Hornady. The 270 is tried and true, and the 6.5 is a target cartridge that doesn't stand up to the 270 until you're out at 500yds, and nobody needs to shoot 500yds at medium sized game.
For some reason I had a choice between a 270 and a 30-06. Toyed with the purchase between the two for several days and bought the 30-06. I have loaded lots of 270 and still have alot of brass and bullets for them. A pair of 7400 autoloaders were great in 270.
I like a 150gr 30cal bullet in my 308. The 06 adds just a tad more performance.. Probably acquire a 270 though down the road. 200 yards is about max in distance available to hunt in the woods around here so the added distance on the 270 is not needed. If I do need distance, my 7mm Mag fills that very well. Super long ways out, 300 Wby...
Great video. Every cartridge has its niche in nastolgia and its purpose. The difference in tge new cartridges like the Creedmoor, PRCs and that 6.8 Western eat more copper and lead in the heavy for cal bullets. I like my 220 Swift too as a traditionalist.
Been shooting a 270 with a variety of handloaded bullets since 1980. Owned a few other rifles and used them all but when you go to the field you need to pick one you are going to carry. I leave the ‘06, the 9.3, the 260 and take the 270 if I am serious about bringing home something. Mine is loaded with 140 Hornady interlocks, but tried others like Noslers and ELD X, Sst’s. Pretty well do in everything I am after. The ‘06 is a 270 on a protein diet, not needed, the 260 is incredibly accurate but doesn’t kill as hard. The p9.3 is carried in Grizzly country only. Don’t think I can outgrow my 270.
The old adage if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, proof’s in the pudding. 100 yr old calibre still relevant today, been shooting it near on 50yrs, kicks like a mule sometimes but not like a magnum.
I had a 270 win in a BAR. But I just wanted to say that I had read that they backed the 270 back down because hunters were complaining that it was blowing the deer up. Mainly because of the meat damage. I believe that was in an outdoor life article.