@@stevokyI'll stick with the 7mm-08 vs the prc because tbh the eddlx isn't a great bullet. The 708 beats it out on selection. Yes the prc is a flat shooter but really needs more options. Factory anyways
6.8 western with 150 grain nosler acubbond longe range with .591 BC, MV of 3100ft/s can take all big game, 2900ft/s to medium game and 2600ft/s form small/medium game
So much comes down to personality and preference within each person's skill level or financial ability. The 30-06 continues to just stand there as the quiet many that everyone listens to when he speaks. American classic that isn't in 1st place for almost anything, but is on the award stand in every single competition.
I have been running the 7mm08 for nearly 20years I neck down 308 cases and run projectiles from 100grains for plinking and vermin control up to 175grain for sambar deer. All with ADI powders here in Australia. Great combination of stuff.
As a Texan and a deer hunter, I would have to choose the 270 winchester. From 4 to 400 yards and a 150 grain partition, it will never get any better for hunting in Texas.
Very surprised not one person mentioned defensive applications, the 308 in an AR10 would have added a whole other factor to that as a choice. Loved the convo and different choices!
I'll stick with .30-06. I learned it in the Army with the M1Garand. One bullet? One thing about the cartridge is its flexibility with different bullet weights. 220 grain softs can work with Alaska's big 3 (moose, buffalo, Kodiak bear). For all around, perhaps a 180 grain boattail softs.
7mm-08 Remington with hand loaded ammunition: For Hunting Deer, Moose, Elk: 145gr LRX or 150gr CX For target shooting, training,competition, and deer hunting: 150gr ELDX
My first scoped rifle was 30.06 , 180 g. Nosler Partition. Nato round. Ammo availability. Knock down power. Classic for a one gun man. I have never shot factory ammo because premiun projectiles were not available. 94% dropped in trackes. Blacktail to moose. The greatest variaety of bullets and styles. Things have changed. Shot my .06 for 30 years hunting and competition. My passion will not waver. Built a 7mm rem mag to over a mile. Luv it. Knock down does not equal my .06. Now working on 6.5 Creed. BOOM 30.06/180 partition .
30-06 and the 168 ttsx here (not a match shooter). My buddies and I started deer hunting with 30-30/32sp/303 british some 30 years ago, then started moose hunting and we all chose the 30-06. For a number of years, we have been using either the Barnes 150 ttsx or 168 ttsx and the performance has been outstanding (we tried GMX ammo and didn't shoot well in any of our guns however the Barnes stuff we can get 0.5/0.75 in all our guns and we get full pass through in moose at any angle).
30-06 180 gr Nosler partition . . . yes, I'm an old guy. Favorite though is 270 Weatherby 150 gr Nosler partition. . . you'd think I was related to the Nosler family. Meat hunter.
7mm-08 is a happy medium between the 6.5 cm and .308. It's comfortably capable from coyote to elk. Works well in shorter rifles and AR10 platform. It's not the best in any single category, but handles long range, hunting and freedom just fine. LRX or CX bullet would be good medicine for a huge range of critters.
7mm-08 is a good one - IMO better today with today's bullets than it was at introduction. It doesn't -quite- have enough velocity for my liking. You can make it go fast at the expense of going to some really light payloads for caliber.
6.5 PRC w/ 156gr Berger EOL. Recoil is manageable enough to shoot in matches (about same as 308), enough power to hunt anything in America, great performance for target shooting out past 1k yards, short action. Not great barrel life, but that is like complaining high performance cars wear tires out too fast. I have a hunting rig in 6GT, and I'm not going to lie, it kills everything but the biggest of animals, and I love it.
@@RemedyTalon effecient? Hmm. Not sure what that could mean. We may have different metrics. 6.5 Creed is pretty sweet, but I'm afraid the PRC line put the cream on top of all three size 264 284 an 308.
40 years ago I was trained on the 7.62x51in the CDN infantry. Since then my personal rifle is a 308Win. I reload for it and it has never let me down, never wounded and lost an animal.
30-06 is definitely the answer ESPECIALLY for we experienced handloaders with the components available to us these days. A big ELD over N555 is a thing of beauty ... but so is a 110 grain in.30 over ... well, the possibilities are endless for plinking. 30-06 is the answer. Then 45-70 with a BFR sidearm to match.
@@LRRPFco52 that's not what WWII troops said postwar about clearing Nazi controlled houses, MOUT Environment, house by house. A Garand in 30-06 got the job done.
@@GalloPazzesco It actually is. They preferred the M1 Carbine in tight, confined spaces if possible. Garand was great for shooting across hedgerows, busting sand bags, hitting bunker apertures, and common infantry engagement distance work from 25-300m. It sucks for MOUT once you have to enter and clear a room. They weren't doing surgical CQB though. Riflemen, BAR and 1919 gunners would lay fire to any occupied structures if combatants were in them. Armor rolled through first anyway, then it was a matter of policing up the mess. The Germans used MP38s and MP40s for clearing indoors. Units that fielded Soviet weapons really liked the PPSh-41 7.62x25 SMG with 72rd drum or 35rd box mags. Like I said, the Garand and .30-06 are non-starters in the house. Cook off just one round of .30-06 indoors and you'll see what I mean. Even the AK indoors is brutal on your ears and senses with overpressure, as is 7.62x51. BTDT
Cartridge: 30-30 Win Bullet: Hornady 30 cal .308 dia 170 gr FN InterLock #3060 Been using this combination since 1967. I have a deer camp in northern Michigan and another in free state of southern Oklahoma. Both are mostly thickly timbered, a little hilly and can't see deer very far away. Don't know how many deer I have taken, but all have been shot well under 100 yds. All I know is that the Hornady 170 FN is a real deer killer.
Haha I'm in Oklahoma and I 100% agree with you the 30-30 can punch through the brush and still bring deer down and sometime still go through the deer with a 170 grain brick! I love my 336 and my PawPaw's old model 94 never lost a deer with my 30-30
Im not a real long range hunter. Im a huge 35 cal fan. So first to mind is a 35 cal launching a 225 Accubond. Either the Whelen or the Norma Mag. Altho the 7Rem Mag is strong with a 150 Terminal Ascent bullet.
I would use exactly what I am using today: .300 Win Mag, 212 Gr. Hornady ELD-X. One round dropped a very large Mule Deer at 295 yards. I have never hunted Moose, nor have I hunted Black, Grizzly, or Polar Bear; however, I believe, based on the devastating effects of that round on that Mule Deer, that the cartridge and bullet I have described is capable of getting the job done on anything in North America that goes on four legs. Thanks for this great discussion.
@@ronlowney4700 I'll have to try them out. I'm looking at setting up a 30-06 with open sights for hunting all of north America and possibly Africa. I like getting in close
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First off, thank you, gentlemen, I really enjoy this platform! Like Neil, right on thru my teens and then well into my late 20's I shot the the 7mm Remington Magnum. After that I stepped up to the 300 Winchester Magnum. I suppose it would be fair to say that recoil sensitivity was not something with which I struggled. But now, later in my years, I have grown to appreciate the lighter recoiling calibers. All that having been said, were I to have to choose one caliber I would have to choose the venerable .30-06, and the one bullet would be the 178gr Hornady ELD X. I like Whitey's choice as well. I find the .475 Linebaugh very interesting! I've done much with the .44 Magnum, but am planning on doing something with a .460 XVR/.454 Casull this fall. Whitey, based on what's currently available, what EER scope would you recommend?
I started life with a model 88 Winchester in .308. Killed many deer with it along with anything else I hunted with excellent results. BUT, later in life I bought a Savage Model 110 in .270 Winchester. I believe if I had the option to go back and start again, I'd have bought a .270 and never looked back.
30-06 and .308 are tried and true, I love them both....BUT.....In my 40 years of shooting and 25 years of reloading, there's no way I can honestly go without a 7mm-08, 26" barrel with a 168 grain SMK or a Hornady 175 grain Interlock. 7mm Rem Mag with a muzzle brake 120 grain ppu for lighter stuff, 180 grain Hornady match for heavier game. Yes I know MATCH isn't designed for game. Honestly, game won't know the difference with shot placement.
Started with a 30-06 some 40+ years ago. Been my go to for deer hunting, see no reason to change. Having said that, if I were limited to one cartridge I thing I would choose the 44 Mag. Handloading for rifle and pistol.
I built an AR 10 in 308, shoots the Federal Tactical 168 gr ammo at 1/2 moa out to 500 yards. Great setup and ammo is easy to find. 308 for everything for me.
30-.30 hand loads. Hornady 160gr ftx, Cfe-223 at 22.5 grains. Cci primers. Grab my 1964 model 94 Winchester and never look back. Edit: rifle has a sling and a receiver mount Burris fast fire 3.
There are too many things the .308 Win does well enough. Pushing a 168 grainer with 42 grains of varget in a lapua case would perform well in many platforms.
7mm Rem Mag @ 175gr ELD-X. Checks an amazing amount of boxes. Drop to 140gr or 150gr and it's arguably even better at the expense of ranges that are... beyond most hunting, beyond most of today's ranges and require some level of dedication to remain proficient at.
I’ll be the odd man out, but the 338 Fed has proven to be an outstanding hunting cartridge. Not long range of course, but more than I’ve ever required. A fat (.338) 160 TTSX at 3k ft/sec just works.
I love having similar debates with my friends, I pick up my .270 for about two-thirds of my hunts, but I can’t wait to try out your 7 PRC. I may have to change my answer in a few months.
7mm is going to be the best choice. The Mauser brothers got it right at the birth of smokeless! That 7x57 was about perfect, now with the old guns out there you can't buy good hot loads for the 7x57, and powders have gotten better. So the 7PRC or a 280 AI would be my choice now. I just have not seen all the handloading data for the 7prc, but I bet reduced loads will show up. But WHY WOULD I HAVE ONLY ONE? 2 or 3 gives you so much more capability and given the cost of hunts, the extra rifle(s) are not that big a part of the budget. If you could pick different bullets and handload, the 458win mag could be loaded down to a mild 45-70 level, and up to African Big 5 level?
I've shot prarie dogs all day long with 30-06 with 110 gr bullets that I made .Very easy on the shoulder. Coyotes with same loads,30-06 all the way. Great show.
Hands down the 308! Thanks for the great conversations and time you guys put into these pod casts. 168gr Barnes. Sorry guys my BAR Hog Stalker just likes them best.
I'd have to say a 280 ackley improved with the new 175 grain federal fusion tipped bullet. I feel like 7 mm's are very versatile due to the high bc. Less recoil for more energy down range
Fortunately I have been lucky enough to use many rifles and cartridges but my favorite rifle actually turned out to be two. A Winchester model 70 sporter in 30-06 with a 3-9x40 Leupold scope, and it is complimented with a Winchester model 70 supergrade in 30-06, with a 3.5-10x40 Leupold scope.
I own a 6.5 Creedmoor and it’s fine for deer and elk. I also have a classic savage model 110 in 30/06 and aside from a pretty hefty recoil it has proven very effective for any type of game. As far a match shooting it’s a no brainer, the creedmoor is tack driving accurate
Concerning the guy with the ruger number 1, I have a special edition Browning B78, built on the newer 1885 action and trigger, in 30-06, with a beautiful feathercrotch walnut stock on it. Quite accurate and a wonderful hunting rifle.
I really like the 7mmPRC, but, here in the Yukon, we are restricted by law the caliber size for bison and grizzly. My go to, to fit all big game, plus sheep, goats, caribou, etc, 300WM, 180gr.
Great discussion. I would add my pick. It would a .30-06 and 180 grain interlock. Big enough for anything and I could make it for everything else if I had to.
@@noahhorinek they only make a 160 in the .277 HHT! 🤦♂️. But speaking of, I just ordered some and didn’t spring for the tipped ones. Have you used them? Are they worth the extra coin?
Almost all the game I hunt are deer size or bigger. Recoil from a 300 win mag does not bother me. Never had a problem shooting one very accurate. I love shooting my 6.5 creed... but if i could only shoot 1 cartridge, 1 Bullet for life... I'm going 300 win mag. 200 grain terminal ascent. I would have no doubt in that round for up to grizzly sized game. Also a high b.c bullet great for long range target shooting.
I love the choice of the Linebaugh. That is the direction I would lean as well, but just a little shorter. .480 Ruger with a 410gr bullet. In a rifle you are still beating black powder 45-70 ballistics, and it is still incredibly shootable in several revolvers.
284 Winchester with a 139gr SST for me. Well placed shot with this loading in the 7mm-08 is plenty enough for deer, black bear, elk, and wouldn’t be a stretch for brown bear from what I’ve seen. The 284 Winchester gives you an additional 150fps or so while staying in a short action.
6.5 Grendel, 123 SST with CFE 223. The Grendel can go from small game to wild hogs and bear if needed (not my thing) In a AR-15 platform its the perfect cartridge for a bit of distance with a 18" barrel and with the SST hit coyote, hogs, prarie dogs, rabbits etc. On the larger side deer, black bear, cougar, elk. The range is good for at least 600 to 800 for competition shooting if I wanted to go that far.
Well for me is the 7 x 57 and 160 gr Nosler Partions. Yeah no flies on the 139 gr Hornaday SP either, I shot a lot of deer with those but I take the 160 Partitions or Swifts for the heavy game like elk and moose.
.270 Win. bullet choice is tough - I keep changing my mind. ...150gr Interlock, 145gr ELD-X, 130gr CX...? although, I could be talked into .308 Win only b/c I could also have semi-auto capability in which case I'm going with 165gr CX bullet
I still like my 7mm-08 for my shooting. Recoil is close to the 6.5 Creed, ranges into bigger game and has just about the same trajectory. You could shoot a 150 grain ELDX up to elk even moose. The problem is and only one person mentioned it was monolithic bullets. In the future you may eventually have to hunt with them. Because they are so long for their weight, you probably could shoot a 150 grain very well and you won't have the velocity for the 160 grain. Going up to some 7mm Mag, you really go up in recoil a lot. Plus it would have to be a modern design to shoot the long monolithic bullets well. So my choice would be 6.8 Western. Its trajectory is on the heels of the 7mm PRC, less recoil, and can shoot a monolithic bullet. My choice of bullet would be the Barnes 160 grain LRX if they make one. You can download it to 7mm-08 levels of recoil and you can load them hotter to approach the 7mm PRC for longer range hunting. Probably not what you want to hear on this channel but its what I'd choose.
I'm a short Magnum guy my go to rifles are 6.5prc and 300wsm I have wanted something in-between that doesn't kick like Bruce Lee like my wsm and that's 6.8 western it pretty much does everything pretty good I'm just scared winchester is going to give up on it since nobody else will make ammo and now I see they are going to start putting faster twist in some they 270win and 270wsm so I'll have to see how it holds on for the next 5vears and hope Hornaday will make a eldx for it so for right now I'm going to go with 280rem over the 6.8 but it breaks my heart to go with long action cartridge wish the 7wsm would act like Jesus and be resurrected
@@jmgates09 I'm not a fan of the ELDX unless you're pretty sure it is going to be a longer range shot. I've seen too many ballistic gel tests at close range where you have core separation at high velocity impacts. Right now I'm a fan of the Federal Ascent bullets or even their Trophy Bonded Tip. But like you I don't have much confidence in bullet manufacturers adding heavy .277 bullets to their lineup. That's too bad for all of us.
7mm-08 24 inch bbl 175gr eld X hand loads. That would handle any big game in North America and will out perform a 30-06 180gr at long range. Another good choice would be a 280 AI.
I've been shooting the 7 mag for 25 years. You can reload 100 - 195 gr bullets depending on what you're hunting. I live in the South and shooting long range across the bean and corn fields. I shoot the 162-180 gr Amax with kill shots out to 1100 yds. The current ELDMs in the 180s are my go-to bullets. Great bullets!
260 Remington They've got the barrels right and the project's are good. And there's also the AI. 300 min mag would be my 30 cal choice... But one cartridge is the 260
Some of the reasons why the 7 PRC was listed is exactly why I automatically went 300 Win Mag with a 180 gr CX. You could light load it, yeah, it shortens your range but makes it gentler, but you can also run it hard like a 300 Win is meant to, and it should dump anything you’d ever want, especially with the toughness of the CX bullet. That being said, I’m also exclusively a hunter, so match shooting is not a concern for me.
I am writing this at the begining of your show if I HAD to make this for a choice it would be the >270 Win. and 110 grain Barnes TSX bullet. That's because I have found in personal experience that it will take anything from Moose on down without having to shoot twice
I've watched most of the shows. This is one of my favorites by far. My buddies and I have had this conversation many times. For me I would nail it down between 2. 1 would be the 7PRC 175 ELDX. For all the reasons stated in the episode. However I have no experience with the 7 PRC. So the one right now I'd go with is the 30-06 with 178 ELDX. I have a savage ultralight in 30-06 with a 22" proof research carbon barrel. I have a VX 5 mounted on top. It shoots absolutely amazing. The only thing I'd like to change is to switch out the factory stock for a carbon fiber stock with a vertical grip.
Interesting that none of the picks included a cartridge that could be used in the AR-15 platform and self-defense didn’t even seem to be a consideration. 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC can be used in gas and bolt guns. Hunting whitetail with a 6 ARC bolt with hand loaded ELDX. Such a wide range of 6 and 6.5 mm bullets would cover every scenario in 1/2 of the country and most scenarios in the West.
30-06 with 165 grain partition type bullet. My rifle shoot 165 grain hunting bullets to nearly the same hole as the 168 grain match bullet. Been using that combo in handloads in a 700 BDL since 1973 so why switch now?
Did Hornady do anything for all the employees it forced to be vaccinated, and has the family of any employee who died because of the vaccine been taken care of?
6.5x47 140 ELD-M - great for short range bench shooting and at 2780 great to 1000 yards in any condition. Great projectile, very speed stable case with Varget or H4350.
I’ve always said if I could only have one rifle it would be a 280ai. With that choice I was really only thinking hunting. Expanding out to one cartridge multiple rifles, 308win is probably the best choice. Before watching I expected all the Hornady guys to say one of their 6.5’s
A 7mm-08 would probably be my choice. There’s a lot of great choices though.
It depends for me if i have grizzly bears or wild tigers to deal with. Then heavy-duty or magnum 30 ca and bigger
Get the prc and load it light.
@@stevokyI'll stick with the 7mm-08 vs the prc because tbh the eddlx isn't a great bullet. The 708 beats it out on selection. Yes the prc is a flat shooter but really needs more options. Factory anyways
Yeah…that’s def a good one.
6.8 western with 150 grain nosler acubbond longe range with .591 BC, MV of 3100ft/s can take all big game, 2900ft/s to medium game and 2600ft/s form small/medium game
So much comes down to personality and preference within each person's skill level or financial ability. The 30-06 continues to just stand there as the quiet many that everyone listens to when he speaks. American classic that isn't in 1st place for almost anything, but is on the award stand in every single competition.
Fabulous episode. It seems these one caliber conversations always come back to the 30.06.
Yes in a newer rifle and hand loaded will work for large game even most african. 30.06 or .300 prc
I have been running the 7mm08 for nearly 20years I neck down 308 cases and run projectiles from 100grains for plinking and vermin control up to 175grain for sambar deer. All with ADI powders here in Australia. Great combination of stuff.
As a Texan and a deer hunter, I would have to choose the 270 winchester. From 4 to 400 yards and a 150 grain partition, it will never get any better for hunting in Texas.
Very surprised not one person mentioned defensive applications, the 308 in an AR10 would have added a whole other factor to that as a choice. Loved the convo and different choices!
308 is a good pick but the 243 is the same case with a flatter trajectory. It's like a little 270.
I'll stick with .30-06. I learned it in the Army with the M1Garand. One bullet? One thing about the cartridge is its flexibility with different bullet weights. 220 grain softs can work with Alaska's big 3 (moose, buffalo, Kodiak bear). For all around, perhaps a 180 grain boattail softs.
6.5 Grendel in a 12" AR-15 suppressed. Home Defense, vehicle, hunting, low recoil, fun on steel out to 800-1200yds, conditions-dependent. 123gr ELD-M
I joust don’t think that’s how they interpreted the question but that is a good point.
.30-06. it is the blend of my .300wsm and my .270win. such a wide range, and availability is great.
I would go with caliber 270 and 130grain bullets
the ubiquitous 308. the one cartridge so many others are compared to or based upon.
7mm-08 Remington with hand loaded ammunition:
For Hunting Deer, Moose, Elk: 145gr LRX or 150gr CX
For target shooting, training,competition, and deer hunting: 150gr ELDX
In a small frame AR chassis with short barrel and suppressor, maybe 139gr GMX or a 168gr Berger.
30-06 Springfield and a all copper bullet in 168gr
Good choice
My first scoped rifle was 30.06 , 180 g. Nosler Partition. Nato round. Ammo availability. Knock down power. Classic for a one gun man. I have never shot factory ammo because premiun projectiles were not available. 94% dropped in trackes. Blacktail to moose. The greatest variaety of bullets and styles. Things have changed. Shot my .06 for 30 years hunting and competition. My passion will not waver. Built a 7mm rem mag to over a mile. Luv it. Knock down does not equal my .06. Now working on 6.5 Creed. BOOM 30.06/180 partition .
Really easy…..30-06 with a 165-180gr. bullet
The new 270 with 8 1/2 twist barrels...170 grain bullets
30-06 and the 168 ttsx here (not a match shooter). My buddies and I started deer hunting with 30-30/32sp/303 british some 30 years ago, then started moose hunting and we all chose the 30-06. For a number of years, we have been using either the Barnes 150 ttsx or 168 ttsx and the performance has been outstanding (we tried GMX ammo and didn't shoot well in any of our guns however the Barnes stuff we can get 0.5/0.75 in all our guns and we get full pass through in moose at any angle).
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My pick would be the .308. It covers everything I would hunt from varmints to Elk!
30-06 180 gr Nosler partition . . . yes, I'm an old guy. Favorite though is 270 Weatherby 150 gr Nosler partition. . . you'd think I was related to the Nosler family. Meat hunter.
7mm-08 is a happy medium between the 6.5 cm and .308. It's comfortably capable from coyote to elk. Works well in shorter rifles and AR10 platform. It's not the best in any single category, but handles long range, hunting and freedom just fine. LRX or CX bullet would be good medicine for a huge range of critters.
7mm-08 139gr Cx or
6.5 prc 130gr Cx. 127Lrx
Good point
7mm-08 is a good one - IMO better today with today's bullets than it was at introduction. It doesn't -quite- have enough velocity for my liking. You can make it go fast at the expense of going to some really light payloads for caliber.
That might be my favorite as well, just a good all rounder.
This would have been my second choice, and it’s a very close second.
6.5 PRC w/ 156gr Berger EOL. Recoil is manageable enough to shoot in matches (about same as 308), enough power to hunt anything in America, great performance for target shooting out past 1k yards, short action. Not great barrel life, but that is like complaining high performance cars wear tires out too fast. I have a hunting rig in 6GT, and I'm not going to lie, it kills everything but the biggest of animals, and I love it.
Hands down the .308 with so many loadings and chambered in a plethora of actions. Also efficient and light kicking.
But the thing was only 1 bullet.
@@kalindanley2843 but still not as efficient or light recoiling as a 6.5 creed
@@RemedyTalon effecient? Hmm. Not sure what that could mean. We may have different metrics. 6.5 Creed is pretty sweet, but I'm afraid the PRC line put the cream on top of all three size 264 284 an 308.
@@kalindanley2843I have to say my 6.5 prc is very efficient
40 years ago I was trained on the 7.62x51in the CDN infantry. Since then my personal rifle is a 308Win. I reload for it and it has never let me down, never wounded and lost an animal.
30-06 is definitely the answer ESPECIALLY for we experienced handloaders with the components available to us these days. A big ELD over N555 is a thing of beauty ... but so is a 110 grain in.30 over ... well, the possibilities are endless for plinking. 30-06 is the answer. Then 45-70 with a BFR sidearm to match.
.30-06 indoors for HD is a non-starter.
@@LRRPFco52 that's not what WWII troops said postwar about clearing Nazi controlled houses, MOUT Environment, house by house. A Garand in 30-06 got the job done.
@@GalloPazzesco It actually is. They preferred the M1 Carbine in tight, confined spaces if possible. Garand was great for shooting across hedgerows, busting sand bags, hitting bunker apertures, and common infantry engagement distance work from 25-300m. It sucks for MOUT once you have to enter and clear a room. They weren't doing surgical CQB though. Riflemen, BAR and 1919 gunners would lay fire to any occupied structures if combatants were in them. Armor rolled through first anyway, then it was a matter of policing up the mess.
The Germans used MP38s and MP40s for clearing indoors. Units that fielded Soviet weapons really liked the PPSh-41 7.62x25 SMG with 72rd drum or 35rd box mags.
Like I said, the Garand and .30-06 are non-starters in the house. Cook off just one round of .30-06 indoors and you'll see what I mean.
Even the AK indoors is brutal on your ears and senses with overpressure, as is 7.62x51. BTDT
@@LRRPFco52 you could always reload reduced power loads. 7.62x51 loaded down to reduced power loads with a 180 grn would do it.
@@sstrongman1667 Won’t cycle the action on a semi-auto unless you build the action specifically for that gas profile.
Cartridge: 30-30 Win
Bullet: Hornady 30 cal .308 dia 170 gr FN InterLock #3060
Been using this combination since 1967. I have a deer camp in northern Michigan and another in free state of southern Oklahoma. Both are mostly thickly timbered, a little hilly and can't see deer very far away. Don't know how many deer I have taken, but all have been shot well under 100 yds. All I know is that the Hornady 170 FN is a real deer killer.
Haha I'm in Oklahoma and I 100% agree with you the 30-30 can punch through the brush and still bring deer down and sometime still go through the deer with a 170 grain brick! I love my 336 and my PawPaw's old model 94 never lost a deer with my 30-30
Im not a real long range hunter.
Im a huge 35 cal fan. So first to mind is a 35 cal launching a 225 Accubond. Either the Whelen or the Norma Mag.
Altho the 7Rem Mag is strong with a 150 Terminal Ascent bullet.
I would use exactly what I am using today: .300 Win Mag, 212 Gr. Hornady ELD-X. One round dropped a very large Mule Deer at 295 yards.
I have never hunted Moose, nor have I hunted Black, Grizzly, or Polar Bear; however, I believe, based on the devastating effects of that round on that Mule Deer, that the cartridge and bullet I have described is capable of getting the job done on anything in North America that goes on four legs.
Thanks for this great discussion.
30-06 loaded with 180 grain swift a-frame.
I actually prefer the 200 grain Swift A-Frame myself, in the 30-06! 😵🥊
Good choice though! 👍
@@ronlowney4700 I'll have to try them out. I'm looking at setting up a 30-06 with open sights for hunting all of north America and possibly Africa. I like getting in close
🕵️♂️ You won't find a better bullet for Big Animals! The Swift A-Frame is the #1 Choice in Africa for Dangerous Game Animals for A Reason! With that 200 grain bullet, you can kill Grizzly Bears and Lions, should the Need Arise! 😵 I have used it in all my Big Magnums and I have NEVER seen a Bullet Perform Better! 🤑 It certainly knocks the Big Bull Elk on their a_ss! My last Bull Elk was a 7x7 330" (one of several dozen I've gotten) that I took at 450 yards (1 shot and dropped him right in his tracks) was with my 270 Winchester and a 150 grain Swift A-Frame bullet! 🎯 He never knew what hit him! ☠
First off, thank you, gentlemen, I really enjoy this platform! Like Neil, right on thru my teens and then well into my late 20's I shot the the 7mm Remington Magnum. After that I stepped up to the 300 Winchester Magnum. I suppose it would be fair to say that recoil sensitivity was not something with which I struggled. But now, later in my years, I have grown to appreciate the lighter recoiling calibers. All that having been said, were I to have to choose one caliber I would have to choose the venerable .30-06, and the one bullet would be the 178gr Hornady ELD X. I like Whitey's choice as well. I find the .475 Linebaugh very interesting! I've done much with the .44 Magnum, but am planning on doing something with a .460 XVR/.454 Casull this fall. Whitey, based on what's currently available, what EER scope would you recommend?
I started life with a model 88 Winchester in .308. Killed many deer with it along with anything else I hunted with excellent results. BUT, later in life I bought a Savage Model 110 in .270 Winchester. I believe if I had the option to go back and start again, I'd have bought a .270 and never looked back.
I got my first elk with my Grandpa’s 270. Very capable caliber although I’d probably go with a 308 personally.
30-06 would be my pick. 180/190 gr bullet.
Being a handgun hunter myself, I appreciate the 475 Linebaugh choice.
I think a handgun would be the pick , 460xvr
30-06 and .308 are tried and true, I love them both....BUT.....In my 40 years of shooting and 25 years of reloading, there's no way I can honestly go without a 7mm-08, 26" barrel with a 168 grain SMK or a Hornady 175 grain Interlock. 7mm Rem Mag with a muzzle brake 120 grain ppu for lighter stuff, 180 grain Hornady match for heavier game. Yes I know MATCH isn't designed for game. Honestly, game won't know the difference with shot placement.
7MM-08 with a 140 Barnes TTSX you can run them at almost 2900 with a 22" barrel and it will hammer anything you hit with it groundhogs to elk.
Started with a 30-06 some 40+ years ago. Been my go to for deer hunting, see no reason to change. Having said that, if I were limited to one cartridge I thing I would choose the 44 Mag. Handloading for rifle and pistol.
I built an AR 10 in 308, shoots the Federal Tactical 168 gr ammo at 1/2 moa out to 500 yards. Great setup and ammo is easy to find. 308 for everything for me.
30-.30 hand loads. Hornady 160gr ftx,
Cfe-223 at 22.5 grains. Cci primers.
Grab my 1964 model 94 Winchester and never look back.
Edit: rifle has a sling and a receiver mount Burris fast fire 3.
Hard to choose... but I used a 270win. for a moose hunt 26/09/2023. Success and in the freezer.
There are too many things the .308 Win does well enough. Pushing a 168 grainer with 42 grains of varget in a lapua case would perform well in many platforms.
30-06/165gr Nosler Partion, or Swift A Frame. What won't that kill properly placed?
I went with the 30-06 180 gr. before watching the vid. Now I am sold on it if I get to have multiple setups.
7mm Rem Mag @ 175gr ELD-X. Checks an amazing amount of boxes.
Drop to 140gr or 150gr and it's arguably even better at the expense of ranges that are... beyond most hunting, beyond most of today's ranges and require some level of dedication to remain proficient at.
If u got a custom barrel that's definitely the ticket
Shooting a 30" Brux in my custom.
Tikka T3X superlite 308, carbon fiber stock, stainless barrel, A-tec H2 suppressor, Zeiss optic 3-18X shooting a Barnes TTSX 150 GR
I’ll be the odd man out, but the 338 Fed has proven to be an outstanding hunting cartridge. Not long range of course, but more than I’ve ever required. A fat (.338) 160 TTSX at 3k ft/sec just works.
Can confirm it crushes animals. Also amazing in 225 gr subsonic.
The 6.5 Grendel and the 123gr ELD-M. You can fight with it. You can hunt with it.
You can fight and hunt with anything
I love having similar debates with my friends, I pick up my .270 for about two-thirds of my hunts, but I can’t wait to try out your 7 PRC. I may have to change my answer in a few months.
Having grown up with Jack O'Conner, I'd opt for .270 with 130 Nosler Partition.
6 arc 80 gr cx. AR 15 and bolt gun. Will do everything that I would need to do.
7mm-08 with nosler partition bullets
7mm is going to be the best choice. The Mauser brothers got it right at the birth of smokeless! That 7x57 was about perfect, now with the old guns out there you can't buy good hot loads for the 7x57, and powders have gotten better. So the 7PRC or a 280 AI would be my choice now. I just have not seen all the handloading data for the 7prc, but I bet reduced loads will show up.
But WHY WOULD I HAVE ONLY ONE? 2 or 3 gives you so much more capability and given the cost of hunts, the extra rifle(s) are not that big a part of the budget.
If you could pick different bullets and handload, the 458win mag could be loaded down to a mild 45-70 level, and up to African Big 5 level?
Yep, I was thinking the good old 7mm, just a bit more versatile in in both directions.
I've shot prarie dogs all day long with 30-06 with 110 gr bullets that I made .Very easy on the shoulder. Coyotes with same loads,30-06 all the way. Great show.
Whats the chances of finding a old box of 6.5 cm just laying around. 30-06 just makes sense
Any plans for 308 150 or 165 grain eldx or should i stick with interlock? 178 grain just seems like overkill on deer
243 in 100 grain interlock. 7mm08 in 139 grain interlock
Hands down the 308! Thanks for the great conversations and time you guys put into these pod casts. 168gr Barnes. Sorry guys my BAR Hog Stalker just likes them best.
When I am in varying ranges. High cover, no cover. Turkey through elk. The 30-06 is my go to.
I'd have to say a 280 ackley improved with the new 175 grain federal fusion tipped bullet. I feel like 7 mm's are very versatile due to the high bc. Less recoil for more energy down range
30-06 178gr eldx taken muntjac to red stags with it and every in-between hands down my favourite
.308 for me with the terminal accent 175gr bullet. For life
Fortunately I have been lucky enough to use many rifles and cartridges but my favorite rifle actually turned out to be two. A Winchester model 70 sporter in 30-06 with a 3-9x40 Leupold scope, and it is complimented with a Winchester model 70 supergrade in 30-06, with a 3.5-10x40 Leupold scope.
.270 with 130 grain interlock!
As simple as that
Love the conversation, for me personally and the things I hunt in my area, my old Remington 700 in .308 does everything I need it too
I said .308 Winchester as soon as the question was asked... You can't beat it. Heavy barrel for long range Ar10 for personal
I would put the 708 Remington with 140 grain Barnes TTX S bullets doing 2800 fps!
.30-06
Pre 64 model 70 winchester
180 grn. Match hand load
270 Remington and 6 .5 PRC! Hornady Match 143 Gr!
,270 turns the lights off
.280 AI with 1:8 twist in a 22" barrel Terminal Assent 155 gr traveling 2910 fps. Hunting setup only.
I own a 6.5 Creedmoor and it’s fine for deer and elk. I also have a classic savage model 110 in 30/06 and aside from a pretty hefty recoil it has proven very effective for any type of game. As far a match shooting it’s a no brainer, the creedmoor is tack driving accurate
.270 Winchester with 140gr or 150gr Accubond
Mine is my .45-70 with a 350 gr. Hornady RNFP Interlock!
My choice would be a 30-06 AI with a 168gr TTSX or a 180gr Interlock
I picked the 165gr Partition, or A-Frame. Same concept.
I really like this addition. Not a Comp shooter but mine is a 270 with 130gr cx.
Concerning the guy with the ruger number 1, I have a special edition Browning B78, built on the newer 1885 action and trigger, in 30-06, with a beautiful feathercrotch walnut stock on it. Quite accurate and a wonderful hunting rifle.
I really like the 7mmPRC, but, here in the Yukon, we are restricted by law the caliber size for bison and grizzly. My go to, to fit all big game, plus sheep, goats, caribou, etc, 300WM, 180gr.
6.8 western for sure!!
Great discussion. I would add my pick. It would a .30-06 and 180 grain interlock. Big enough for anything and I could make it for everything else if I had to.
Mine would probably be a 280 AI with a 131gr Hammer Hunter. It's a good combo.
You wouldn’t go faster twist with 150’s? Too slow? I was thinking a fast twist .270 win with 140-150 hammers.
280 AI for the rest of your life? Does that cover home defense?
@@LRRPFco52 ya it’s fine, if all the home invaders stand behind each other you could get like 6 or 7 of them at once.
@@wesleyturner1979 fast and flat baby. I’ll bump it up to the 145 HHT though.
@@noahhorinek they only make a 160 in the .277 HHT! 🤦♂️.
But speaking of, I just ordered some and didn’t spring for the tipped ones. Have you used them? Are they worth the extra coin?
the good OLE 270 winchester 140 SST
Almost all the game I hunt are deer size or bigger. Recoil from a 300 win mag does not bother me. Never had a problem shooting one very accurate. I love shooting my 6.5 creed... but if i could only shoot 1 cartridge, 1 Bullet for life... I'm going 300 win mag. 200 grain terminal ascent. I would have no doubt in that round for up to grizzly sized game. Also a high b.c bullet great for long range target shooting.
I love the choice of the Linebaugh. That is the direction I would lean as well, but just a little shorter. .480 Ruger with a 410gr bullet. In a rifle you are still beating black powder 45-70 ballistics, and it is still incredibly shootable in several revolvers.
45-70 has been around for 150 years and still a damn fun round shoot.
284 Winchester with a 139gr SST for me. Well placed shot with this loading in the 7mm-08 is plenty enough for deer, black bear, elk, and wouldn’t be a stretch for brown bear from what I’ve seen. The 284 Winchester gives you an additional 150fps or so while staying in a short action.
6.5 Grendel, 123 SST with CFE 223. The Grendel can go from small game to wild hogs and bear if needed (not my thing) In a AR-15 platform its the perfect cartridge for a bit of distance with a 18" barrel and with the SST hit coyote, hogs, prarie dogs, rabbits etc. On the larger side deer, black bear, cougar, elk. The range is good for at least 600 to 800 for competition shooting if I wanted to go that far.
Well for me is the 7 x 57 and 160 gr Nosler Partions. Yeah no flies on the 139 gr Hornaday SP either, I shot a lot of deer with those but I take the 160 Partitions or Swifts for the heavy game like elk and moose.
If i had to pick just one i would go with the 270 or the aut6 most likely to be the aut6 just for the ammo availability
.270 Win.
bullet choice is tough - I keep changing my mind.
...150gr Interlock, 145gr ELD-X, 130gr CX...?
although, I could be talked into .308 Win only b/c I could also have semi-auto capability
in which case I'm going with 165gr CX bullet
I still like my 7mm-08 for my shooting. Recoil is close to the 6.5 Creed, ranges into bigger game and has just about the same trajectory. You could shoot a 150 grain ELDX up to elk even moose. The problem is and only one person mentioned it was monolithic bullets. In the future you may eventually have to hunt with them. Because they are so long for their weight, you probably could shoot a 150 grain very well and you won't have the velocity for the 160 grain. Going up to some 7mm Mag, you really go up in recoil a lot. Plus it would have to be a modern design to shoot the long monolithic bullets well. So my choice would be 6.8 Western. Its trajectory is on the heels of the 7mm PRC, less recoil, and can shoot a monolithic bullet. My choice of bullet would be the Barnes 160 grain LRX if they make one. You can download it to 7mm-08 levels of recoil and you can load them hotter to approach the 7mm PRC for longer range hunting. Probably not what you want to hear on this channel but its what I'd choose.
I'm a short Magnum guy my go to rifles are 6.5prc and 300wsm I have wanted something in-between that doesn't kick like Bruce Lee like my wsm and that's 6.8 western it pretty much does everything pretty good I'm just scared winchester is going to give up on it since nobody else will make ammo and now I see they are going to start putting faster twist in some they 270win and 270wsm so I'll have to see how it holds on for the next 5vears and hope Hornaday will make a eldx for it so for right now I'm going to go with 280rem over the 6.8 but it breaks my heart to go with long action cartridge wish the 7wsm would act like Jesus and be resurrected
@@jmgates09 I'm not a fan of the ELDX unless you're pretty sure it is going to be a longer range shot. I've seen too many ballistic gel tests at close range where you have core separation at high velocity impacts. Right now I'm a fan of the Federal Ascent bullets or even their Trophy Bonded Tip. But like you I don't have much confidence in bullet manufacturers adding heavy .277 bullets to their lineup. That's too bad for all of us.
7mm-08 24 inch bbl 175gr eld X hand loads. That would handle any big game in North America and will out perform a 30-06 180gr at long range.
Another good choice would be a 280 AI.
Why compare it to the 180grain 30? I think it would be more appropriate to compare it to a 195 or 220 grain.
I've been shooting the 7 mag for 25 years. You can reload 100 - 195 gr bullets depending on what you're hunting. I live in the South and shooting long range across the bean and corn fields. I shoot the 162-180 gr Amax with kill shots out to 1100 yds. The current ELDMs in the 180s are my go-to bullets. Great bullets!
308 has been reliably punching holes -in-heads at 1000m for decades
For hunting, I bet the 7mm rem mag with 155 gr terminal ascent, or the 30-06 with a 175 gr terminal ascent would both work quite well.
260 Remington
They've got the barrels right and the project's are good. And there's also the AI.
300 min mag would be my 30 cal choice... But one cartridge is the 260
Some of the reasons why the 7 PRC was listed is exactly why I automatically went 300 Win Mag with a 180 gr CX. You could light load it, yeah, it shortens your range but makes it gentler, but you can also run it hard like a 300 Win is meant to, and it should dump anything you’d ever want, especially with the toughness of the CX bullet. That being said, I’m also exclusively a hunter, so match shooting is not a concern for me.
My first rifle was a ruger m77 in 3006 to
I am writing this at the begining of your show if I HAD to make this for a choice it would be the >270 Win. and 110 grain
Barnes TSX bullet. That's because I have found in personal experience that it will take anything from Moose on down without having to shoot twice
I bought back in 76 my first Remington 700 ADL in 7 mag. and still have and occasionally hunt with it but I have moved more to the 308 in later years.
I've watched most of the shows. This is one of my favorites by far. My buddies and I have had this conversation many times. For me I would nail it down between 2. 1 would be the 7PRC 175 ELDX. For all the reasons stated in the episode. However I have no experience with the 7 PRC. So the one right now I'd go with is the 30-06 with 178 ELDX. I have a savage ultralight in 30-06 with a 22" proof research carbon barrel. I have a VX 5 mounted on top. It shoots absolutely amazing. The only thing I'd like to change is to switch out the factory stock for a carbon fiber stock with a vertical grip.
.308 win, 175-180 grain bullet will handle just about anything. .30-06 with a 180 grain bullet would be my second choice.
30-06 with a 180 grain. It will do anything I would ever need to do.
Interesting that none of the picks included a cartridge that could be used in the AR-15 platform and self-defense didn’t even seem to be a consideration. 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC can be used in gas and bolt guns. Hunting whitetail with a 6 ARC bolt with hand loaded ELDX. Such a wide range of 6 and 6.5 mm bullets would cover every scenario in 1/2 of the country and most scenarios in the West.
6.5 Grendel is a great all around cartridge, 110 grain hits hard and shoots flat, a friend takes deer with it every year,
270 Winchester and the 130gr CX.
30-06 with 165 grain partition type bullet. My rifle shoot 165 grain hunting bullets to nearly the same hole as the 168 grain match bullet. Been using that combo in handloads in a 700 BDL since 1973 so why switch now?
Did Hornady do anything for all the employees it forced to be vaccinated, and has the family of any employee who died because of the vaccine been taken care of?
6.5x47 140 ELD-M - great for short range bench shooting and at 2780 great to 1000 yards in any condition. Great projectile, very speed stable case with Varget or H4350.
I’ve always said if I could only have one rifle it would be a 280ai. With that choice I was really only thinking hunting. Expanding out to one cartridge multiple rifles, 308win is probably the best choice. Before watching I expected all the Hornady guys to say one of their 6.5’s