Former Shincheonji Senior Leader SPEAKS OUT! (With @TheCultishShow)
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2023
- We collaborated with @TheCultishShow to bring this exclusive interview with a former, senior leader of Shincheonji (New Heaven New Earth).
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Timestamp:
1:08 Introduction
10:10 Guest’s introduction ( Mr. Shin)
11:22 What years were you in SCJ?
11:46 What positions do you have inside of SCJ?
12:40 Revelation Chapter 4, was he one of the persons in that Vision?
17:40 Were you the number two or three in the church (rank in the church)?
18:38 How well did he know Mr. Lee/ How much time did he spend with him?
20:56 Did you ever see any behavior that made him have questions whether financial or relationship with women that made him or any other thing of scandalous nature that made him question Mr. Lee’s character?
26:03 Did he witness or did he portray himself (Mr. Lee) as an actual savior at that time for mankind?
35:46 Books of SCJ
37:10 Which book was it specifically talks about the flesh and blood?
39:18 Was he (Mr. Lee) directly responsible for the publication of those 20 SCJ books?
42:50 Was he (Mr. Lee) personally chosen by God Jesus and the angels to have his position?
44:27 Was Mr. Shin raised in a Christian home after leaving SCJ? After leaving, how did he come back to the real Jesus?
47:45 Mr. Lee’s embezzlement issues
51:33 Major doctrine changes
1:16:27 Are the doctrine changes all written or all done verbally during sermons?
1:27:20 Final thoughts - Розваги
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I was invited to do the Parables course. I did it for almost 5 months. By God’s grace I learned the importance of reading the Bible. I wasn’t prepared because I hadn’t read the entire Bible and I had stopped seeking God for years. I started questioning their teachings. I totally understand what he meant by coming back, I’m glad it didn’t take me away from my faith and it has led me to daily Bible reading.
Same here. I feel it leading me to read my bible more.
Just got exposed to the WMSCOG on my college campus, thank you for all the work y’all do to give us the information on the reality of this “church”
Thank you so much brother helping expose this cult, helped me a lot I was actually in for a month and this has affected me negatively in many ways. If its possible is there anyway to contact you, or anyone else with experience with this cult, I have a lot of things to get off my chest.
Great video. I hope this sheds some light.
Timestamp:
1:08 Introduction
10:10 Guest’s introduction ( Mr. Shin)
11:22 What years were you in SCJ?
11:46 What positions do you have inside of SCJ?
12:40 Revelation Chapter 4, was he one of the persons in that Vision?
17:40 Were you the number two or three in the church (rank in the church)?
18:38 How well did he know Mr. Lee/ How much time did he spend with him?
20:56 Did you ever see any behavior that made him have questions whether financial or relationship with women that made him or any other thing of scandalous nature that made him question Mr. Lee’s character?
26:03 Did he witness or did he portray himself (Mr. Lee) as an actual savior at that time for mankind?
35:46 Books of SCJ
37:10 Which book was it specifically talks about the flesh and blood?
39:18 Was he (Mr. Lee) directly responsible for the publication of those 20 SCJ books?
42:50 Was he (Mr. Lee) personally chosen by God Jesus and the angels to have his position?
44:27 Was Mr. Shin raised in a Christian home after leaving SCJ? After leaving, how did he come back to the real Jesus?
47:45 Mr. Lee’s embezzlement issues
51:33 Major doctrine changes
1:16:27 Are the doctrine changes all written or all done verbally during sermons?
1:27:20 Final thoughts
Brilliant. Thanks so much for the timestamps!
Very good to hear all the changes confirmed. Thank you very much!
Amazing ! Iam so thankfull for this interview 🙏🏻
Hi I left the jms cult few months ago after over a decade in it. I wonder if there is any help available for ex cult members. I wish that one day I can also speak out and expose their harmful methods
Hey, I would love to get in contact with you and here more of your experience in JMS. I'm not familiar with this group at all. If you are interested in talking more to us and potentially even sharing your story on the channel, reach out by email to contact@greatlightstudios.com
Wooow! it is God’s grace that I enter this church and also his grace alone that shows me his goodness and mercy by revealing the truth so that many including myself can run fast and hold on to the loving arms of our only saviour Jesus Christ.
Thank you all for this interview I’m so thankful 🙏
Seek and you will find, for whatever you seek for, you find it, you are looking for a bad thing? You will find it, even all of you in this interview, you are not exempted, you are not yourself holy, seeking something bad we will find it in you. Why can't you be loving and humble, can't you approach him if you think he is missing it somewhere in scriptures?? You talk of IMMORTALITY, what does scripture say about our life in God, is there death or eternal life in him? Is eternal life not immortality. I see you saying a lot of things against FAITH, are you believers?? In Christianity we don't speak the language of this world, not even when in trouble.
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
-- 2 Timothy 1:10
You guys need to read and understand, not just making accusations, are you listening to the holy spirit?? Or you are just trying to judge your friend wrong by your own speculations, be very careful, Yeshua the messiah is coming back soon and you will be judged according to what you speak. Why are you making yourselves enemies?? Investigate that man who left the church also and see if you will not see faults with him. You pharisees
Great interview!!! Really appreciate Mr. Shin for doing the interview and exposing LMH & SCJ
This was absolutely amazing. I’m speechless. I hope this group is brought to an end.
He is doing good to show people how to think through if it is true or not. He is very smart.
I just found out last week that my wife has been in this cult for the last two years. Trying to find out how to help her out of the destructive influence. Thank you for putting this info out.
Hi @brianmeyer6926, having been in the cult for 5 years before leaving, my first encouragement is; don't give up and continue to pray for your wife. I certainly will be also!
The difficulty with SCJ is that being encouraged not to research is done very well. I can only speak for myself, but I became fearful of doing so, believing I will be cut off from God and his intended new kingdom. As such, there is only really one view of SCJ members gain without this. After leaving and researching, it’s been a combination of heartbreaking and frightening that so much significant information will never be exposed to members. Thus there will be little for members to have to question.
As an encouragement, let your wife know that there are many of us who having been there for half a decade, a decade or more, who have served diligently, have still left. And our reasons for leaving and not wanting to return are not just based on our initial doubts, because I don’t want to lean on just “emotion” or “feeling” here, but also due to the evidence of the practices within the church that at the very least, should be commonplace knowledge, so that members with a clear awareness and conscious from the beginning, can make a choice to join or not.
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Hi @brianmeyer6926, having been in the cult for 5 years before leaving, my first encouragement is; don't give up and continue to pray for your wife. I certainly will be also!
The difficulty with SCJ is that being encouraged not to research is done very well. I can only speak for myself, but I became fearful of doing so, believing I will be cut off from God and his intended new kingdom. As such, there is only really one view of SCJ members gain without this. After leaving and researching, it’s been a combination of heartbreaking and frightening that so much significant information will never be exposed to members. Thus there will be little for members to have to question.
As an encouragement, let your wife know that there are many of us who having been there for half a decade, a decade or more, who have served diligently, have still left. And our reasons for leaving and not wanting to return are not just based on our initial doubts, because I don’t want to lean on just “emotion” or “feeling” here, but also due to the evidence of the practices within the church that at the very least, should be commonplace knowledge, so that members with a clear awareness and conscious from the beginning, can make a choice to join or not.
Awesome interview!
hahaha you truely lack of KNOWLEDGE ABOUT prophecy of bible i explained FATHER AHNSAHNGHONG and ZANGIL-JAH THEY ARE NOT MARRIED IN PHYSICAL THEY HAVE NO PAPERS OF MARRIAGE CONTRACT RECORDED IN THIS WORLD THAT PROVE THA FATHER AHNSAHNGHONG AND ZANGIL-JAH THEY ARE MARRIED EACH OTHER BUT IN SPIRITUAL WORD THEY FULFILLIED THO PROPHECY OF HEAVENLY WEDDING THAT PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE IN BOOK OF REVELATION 19:7-9,REVELATION 22:17 & REVELATION 21:9-10 the prophecy of SECONDCOMING JESUS THAT HE REVEL HIS BRIDE OR WIFE OF THE LAMB THIS PROPHECY FULFILLMENT THEY ARE NOT MARRIED IS PHYSICAL THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHECY IT IS VERY CLEARED UNDERSTANDING FOR ME IM SO PROUD BEING MEMBER OF WMSCOG
@@eduardomorentoiii7613 bro you good? You do realize this is a video about Shincheonji, a different Korean cult? I know they are similar, so easy to get confused
SORRY bro the scripture tell already why only wmscog given the KNOWLEDGE ABOUT the secret of the kingdom of Heaven only not to all bible already say in MATHEW 13:11
not to them
@@eduardomorentoiii7613
Doesn't SCJ claim the same exact thing?
Amen Happy Birthday Man Hee Lee !!! I hope you enjoy your gift 🎁
@@Taurion4467 no you will fail I’ll pray for you to get out of of there man hee Lee is a false teacher !!!!!
@@Taurion4467 lol 😆 sure whatever you want God knows who are his!
I’ll be praying for you friend! Jesus is the only way! Jesus is God!!!!!!
@@Taurion4467 many false church have large numbers!!!!! Jesus is God except it !!!!!
@@Taurion4467 praying for you !!
Read John 17:5
I wish have a blessed day
I hope all goes well for your family
@@Taurion4467 thank you God bless
I appreciate the work you do on this Jordan. I think that many people will be helped to see the error in this.
I’m so glad that I have already left from SCJ afterI found that it is actually a cult-like religious organization. Thank you for making this video and great appreciation to Mr. Shin for speaking out.
Please someone who can help me, my daughter is involved in that sect or cult , how can I help her to open her eyes!
@@user-or3lk4uv7c Hiya sweetheart !! Give your baby's situation to God !! Leave it in God's hands, Keep praying and don't forget to keep the faith and trust up!! Trust in our Father and Lord Jesus, they will prevail !! Share God's word with your daughter and ask God for words of wisdom before you have a chat with her. It might get nasty but remember God's helping you to reveal His Truth.. Your daughter may not believe you, but its tapped a nerve, (you'll see her reaction, it may not be nice). God is with you !! Love to you and God bless...
@@user-or3lk4uv7cThey already are
@@user-or3lk4uv7c
Share with her Robert Jay Liftons 8 criteria to thought reform.
Thanks lord Jesus Christ bless for all.
Shincheonji ⛪️ Jesus
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That guy died a long time ago
I am a member but I have never heard him say that he is immortal and I’ve never heard him say that he is anything compared to Jesus or that he is the savior. Nothing has ever drawn me to the conclusion that he is immortal only that he is a person just speaking on the behalf of Jesus and that there is only one God and only one Jesus and only one Bible and that he is just merely a man carrying out a duty appointed to him that’s it
Hi Tonia, I'd just really encourage you to look more deeply into Shincheonji. Listen to former member's stories like this one ua-cam.com/video/IxSJ8IHquEU/v-deo.htmlsi=T_s2OFtG3wb4Bgei ---- or this one ---- ua-cam.com/video/mg4udY9kW5U/v-deo.htmlsi=4lKYoWSIPJOHyagN
I know about this man, in Shincheonji we were told that there was a man named Shin, but then he left God.
Shin who was expelled from the Shincheonji Church, was forcibly executed by the court for failing to repay money borrowed from the Shincheonji Church
@@childrenofthemosthigh769
Yet this claim was debunked in court lol.
If this is true, wouldn't it make sense to send him to jail for embezzlement? In this video, he actually covered the false claim of SCJ.
@Jordan Could you please ask Steven to do more research about former Korean WMSCOG members, especially senior members/leaders if there are any.
Thanks shincheonji Church Jesus With Lee Manhee Korea ❤❤❤❤❤
Ill share my story real quick. I actually was in the jehovah witness cult before i was truley saved through Christ . I left the jws and i learned the true Gospel and bulit a personal relationship with God over the next 3 years . Bc of my experience with the jws, i thought i could never be decieved into a cult again. But cults are crafty these days. I was approched on campus for a bible study and i studied with them for 5 months. It took a while for my decernment to kick bc they were so crafty and sneaky but i then eventually, with the help of google, i realized the true identity of the bible study, scj. It was only then, i started to realize all the red flags i totally ignored and how similar scj was to my experiences with the jws.
What were the red flags
Why did you go off of what things were said on the internet?
@@sakura1044
Yes, because we should believe in the testimony of a man who justifies the use of lying and deception with the "wisdom of hiding". Nothing screams "Christ like" more than using wolf in sheep's clothing tactics (Mt 7:15).
Thank you for sharing. To Jesus be the glory that He saved you out of these deceptions!
I found out the red flag before finding out who they are. Flag member was we will be clothes with the Spirit of Martyrs in other to have new Body, flag number 2 Jesus promise a Pastor also known as the one who Overcome according to revelation 3. But I read that four time I just don't see that it say that. The only promise I remember Jesus made was that he will sent the Holy Spirit. I like their teaching on the parable and the SC of Christ. But that raised a question.
Ver good interview, thank you for sharing, I hope these people will wake up one day and realise all the lies. they have been receiving from this old man
I have been with SCJ for several years, and I am very blessed to learn God's Truths. SCJ doesn't force anyone to do anything against their will. Everything that we do is according to the scriptures. Oh my gosh! Why are you lying?
Cults don't primarily function by forcing people to do things against their will. Rather, they use manipulation and deception to control the way people think thereby controlling their wills.
Time stamp 25:42 After I left, I thought the same thing, I believe they have a dictator type style. One man on top, then the rest serve him. Very North korea type.
It is so sad that these people are lying to us pretending to teach bible. I am very shocked and I just find out that through my friend and this podcast. 😢 a lot of people became brainwashed and it is scary, I left and I feel like they will come to my house and do something because they know where I live
True
@@Taurion4467why do you think she hasn't asked herself those questions?
No, they won’t come to your house and do anything to you.
@@sakura1044 in the past i had gone to a member house
Now they are in Argentina and they want to establish a church here.
I have always questioned their teachings, but they never provide clear answers. They either avoid the topic or tell me that I will understand later.
They even claimed to be my friends, despite not knowing me well. One of them went to school with me but we weren't friends then.
I prayed to Jesus for guidance on whether their teachings were true or not. I stumbled upon some videos that explained the same things I had been experiencing until today. Now, I pray that Jesus reveals the truth to them.
Acts 5:38-39
38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.
39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
Shincheonji is unstoppable . 3 years 100k graduation
Essa frase é usada muito lá. Mas o engano também cresce. Felizmente existem muitos que saem de lá tanto quanto se formam
😭😭😭
I’m so confused
So my question how can u heal from being in false church scj memerber what do you do now we’re do u go.
Iiar. Not speaking the truth.
Destroyer, betrayer will be end worse off than 1st mot knowing.
I just left this and can't help but feel so disgusted. It is terrible how people really do persih for a pack of knowledge.
Wow, the "fulfillment" of Shincheonji is truly unreliable.
Pray for my Husband I wasn’t sure about this so he started to teach me differently. It made me so confused please pray for him. He’s in class right now. Pray for him right now please please
si tú quieres también puedo dar testimonio esto quizá le puede servir a personal que hablen español y lo puedan entender mejor. yo estuve allí y fue horrible
me lo puedes comentar?
Hola qué tal ..mirá primero lo primero que tienes que hacer es pedirle mucho al Señor que te ayude a poder sobrellevar lo vivido con esta secta. No cometas el grave error de alejarte de Dios por nada ni nadie, al contrario pegate más cada día de una manera sana, honesta, y constante y sobre todo, no temas que Él está contigo, las sensaciones, emociones y pensamientos son pasajeros vale. Ellos no son verdad, no son tú realidad. Dios sí
No sé si alcance a escribir todo. o un contacto diferente para poder contarte. pero te hago un mini resumen:
estuve allí por 6 meses, me contactaron por Instagram, diciéndome que si quería asistir a un estudio de teología gratuito, que era un centro totalmente cristiano, pero sin denominación, y que el curso tenía una duración de tres a 6 meses depende. y que se hacía de manera online.
Entre todo parecía normal, nada del otro mundo, me interesaba mucho estudiar la biblia y acepte. Tenían un o dos instructores y evangelistas. me volví un poco cercana a una evangelista,todo bien y las clases duraban aprox. .. dos horas cada dos días luego fueron 3 y luego 4 y más adelante añadieron más días.
Nos leían la biblia y nos explicaban paso a paso, desde Génesis hasta el final, pero lo curioso fue que la primera vez que evangelista me llamó para iniciar las clases me dijo que esto tenía que estar en secreto que nadie se podía enterar porque podía ser una piedra en el zapato para otras personas, porque no lo iban a entender.... se me hizo rarisimo, pero entendí, luego nos dijeron que no podíamos estar en contacto con otros alumnos, no me lo dijeron pero no había manera de contactar con ellos, lo pregunté y me dijeron, que era para evitar que nos distraje ramos, se me hizo raro pero lo entendí, otra cuestión rara para mí fue que nos hacían exámenes y que no podíamos faltar mas de una máximo dos clases porque sino tenias que empezar de cero. Algo absurdo, no hablaban claro del nombre de la iglesia y siempre nos mantenían a la expectativa de revelarnos un secreto, nos hacían exámenes cada semana y los teníamos que responder tal cual no se valía una letra diferente porque lo daban por perdido, también al principio de las primeras clases antes de entrar a las principales si había alguien que se notará no tan seguro o no muy ágil para entender no continuaba y lo aplazaban según ellos para la próxima convocatoria....
cuando ya estábamos en el curso normal hacíamos repasos con la evangelista asignada, no decían que sabríamos la verdad total de la biblia que nadie sabía pero que ellos sí y así nos mantenían a la espectiva y la verdad era todaaaa... según ellos, pero cuando hacías preguntas curiosas, o con fuerza, nunca te las respondían, siempre decían que lo preguntarían al instructor y nos daban respuestas, pero el instructor tampoco sabía cómo responder y decía, preguntaré A mi superior, pero no te respondían nada a la final. 😂.... otra cosa las clases empezaron anotarse pero lo que nos hablaban nos hacían sentir muy tensos había una vibra extraña y nos decían que teníamos que cambiar las caras, que lo que nosotros sentíamos eran demonios para no dejarnos escuchar la palabra." la verdad ' Esa verdad que no llevaría a los 144 mil. escogidos.
luego después de sentirme cada vez más ansiosa y notar cosas extrañas en el comportamiento del instructor y la evangelista, como querer controlar el tiempo el cual invertimos comentarios fuera de lugar pero sutilmente como: no vuelvas a tu iglesias, no le hables a tus amigos de tu iglesia, que el pastor no se entere , pprqie esto es la verdad y el esta en la mentira y va hacer complicado, tú iglesia está engañada, discierne la palabra y cosas como... Hay alguien que ya está en este mundo que es el que sabe la verdad y sabe toda la revelación y es el único que tiene la verdad....
comportamientos de incomodidad de los evangelistas cuando cuestionamos algo, y muchas pistas más de las cuales se nos hace raro muchas cosas, lo que me sorprendió fue que me dijeran que mintiera si alguien me preguntaba que era lo que estudiaba online, osea mentirrrr, yo les dije que estaba mal, pero dijeron que mentir por la palabra está bien, por qué es para protegerla y proteger al resto.😮 también lo ignoré y pensé que más adelante yo iba a entender estás restricciones.
Empecé a caer en crisis de ansiedad cuando me dijeron que Juan el bautista traiciono a Jesús, que Dios no está en este mundo y que no nos escuchó nunca porque todas las creencias son del diablo y que para que el las escuche tiene que ser alguien que ya tenga la palabra reveladas todo lo dicen así, tirando fuerte pero adornado, que para que Dios escuche una oración, las ramas o las hojas no recuerdo bien las escuchan también para ayudarnos a elevarlas al cielo😢. en pocas palabras Dios nunca te escucho fue satanás, porque gobierna este mundo y que los milagros también 😊 absurdo. entre en crisis y cuando notaron que estaba dispersa me preguntaron y yo solo lloré de tristeza de no poder creer lo que había escuchado y les dije que no era cierto porque Dios si me escuchó cuando estuve en mis tristezas... vieron que estaba alterada y me dijeron que había entendido mal, que las oraciones de corazón él si las escucha, pero no, ellos saben lo hacen y dicen, tengo grabaciones.
luego empecé a buscar la iglesia y no me aparecía en redes, una amiga con la que empecé el curso la encontró, es amiga mía empezamos juntas porque yo la invité... y la buscamos porque el nombre no concordaba hasta buscamos a la evangelista por Instagram y revisamos que iglesias seguía ella, para así poder saber de qué iglesia se trataba.
luego vimos que seguía una con un nombre en coreano, y luego recordé un comentario que hicieron... fue éste, si el pastor prometido el enviado, vive así sea en la china irían a verle para saber más cosas??? y allí hice el click de claro el nombre está en coreano, porque en chino no traducía, revise las etiquetas de dicha iglesia en Instagram y todos los comentarios estaban en inglés y coreano, y decía algo del coronavirus, pensé que ellos participaron como voluntarios para ayudar a las personas del coronavirus, pues lo relacioné así porque no entendía muy bien el ingles. luego lo Googlie y me salió shincheonji secta coreana líder lee man hee coronavirus y allí me enteré que él era el líder de esta secta. entre en crisis y no le dije nada a los evangelistas hasta que detone de ansiedad y lo supierony me confesaron quién era el pero que no creyera me hicieron una clase aparte para explicarme y presentarme quien era este señor una historia muy random pero no me convencía y decidí continuar el curso me dijeron que no le dijera nada Ami amiga ni al resto que ellos ya lo revelaría que él era el pastor prometido 😂 yo no aguante más caí en depresión , y un gran estrés post traumatico, no dormían tenía pesadillas, y tenía muchas crisis de ansiedad de querer gritar lloraba todo el tiempo, yo me quería morir del sufrimiento fue fuerte, ellos se empezaron a cansar de mí no de mi sólo que les hacía una carga muy pesada porque sabían lo que yo estaba sufriendo me dijeron que agunatara, y fue tanta mi angustia que mi evangelista en amor me dijo que fue a u psicólogo y que hablara para que me ayudara a calmar mi ansiedad y que si era neceaerio contar que lo dijera que Dios a ese medico ya lo ayudaría, tomaron la decisión de que lo mejor era que yo dejara las clases por mi salud mental porque así no podia recibir la palabra , continué pero se llegó el dia en que ya no podía más y me retire , me dijeron que cuando estuviera mejor podia entrar nuevamente, me dejaron de hablar curiosamente me dolió porque tenían vinculos con ellos y de ves en cuando preguntaban por mi a mi amiga que siguió, y cortaron comunicación Conmigo 😢. y ya luego empecé a ver más testimonios para saber qué pasaba pero tenía mucho temor porque creía que todos esos videos era de personas endemoniadas 😅 hasta que me llene de valor y empecé a descubrir todo, me dio mucha imaginación y empecé a reclamarles y me bloquearon 😅😂 y ex miembros algunos me contaron su testimonio y me dieron apoyo para poder sobrellevar todo esto, les conté a mis pastores y ellos me ayudaron poco a poco y un pastor coreano también me ayudó con muchos consejos, y uno de ellos fue éste ::: tú no saliste de allí porque fueras lista... tú saliste de allí por la misericordia de Dios, por qué el te Ama tanto que no dejará que te alejes de él. tú no estás sola él está contigo y siempre te a escuchado, recuerda sólo fue su misericordia y debe s de hablar porque esto es muy serio y todas esas personas tienen que entender que son engañadas. que lee man hee no es eterno es un mentiroso y no hay nadie ni antes ni después de Jesucristo que revele su verdad, el es el único medio para salvarse y él es el único que lo sabe todo no existe nadie que tenga todo el misterio de la gloria de Dios más que él. Y en oración apoyo a mis amigos y obviamente por su misericordia pide superar esa crisis tan fuerte que vivi, porque la persecución espiritual fue brutal, fue real, incluso hasta mis pensamientos me querían llevar al suicidio. Me estoy recuperando ya de lo que me queda porque todavía siento mucha indignación con esta ideología, no siento rencor ni rabia por las personas que están dentro, mi rabia y mi impotencia la siento por la creación de esta brutal mentira que daña a tantas personas, y espero que se den cuenta, pero el Señor terminará de darme Paz, todo esto fue hace dos años. y así fue. espero te sirva y pegate a Dios y no escuches las mentiras del diablo en tu mente suicidio, rencor, rabia, desquite, Dios no existe , Dios te dejo, Si no estás allí te vas a ir al infierno, tienes que creerlo. no escuches esto valee Recuerda tú tampoco saliste de allí por listo, sino por misericordia de Dios, cuidate y Dios te bendiga, y recuerda los que están dentro no tiene culpa. 😊 un abrazo y Dios te bendiga
Hola yo acabo de salir y mi familia también
I was recruited into the bible study and attended classes for about 6 months.i then passed over to the church after the bible study were done. Although I left the church as there were a number of things that I didn't understand including their interpretation of Revelations and the way things are done,I can safely say that at no point during the teachings were we told that the promised pastor is immortal and there was no belief that he is immortal either. Also church members were never told to worship the promised pastor or anything like that. I am NOT a member of SJC but these people are spreading lies
Same. We are not thought that. But I have a issue with him being the promise Pastor.
And the good thing is that those in hell and paradise can see and speak to each other. The unfortunate part is that, there will no longer be any change.
I would like you all to repent and come to the bible.
The pharisees who persecuted jesus were also thinking they were doing the right thing but all in all they had no idea so u too u don't know what you're doing and scriptures has to be fulfilled
You should also consider that it may indeed be you and Shincheonji who are acting as the Pharisees in this scenario. Do some deep and honest reflection on the behaviors of Shincheonji and how they function. This "church" is not of God, no matter how much you may be convinced at this point that it is. I believe you will one day see that, and please feel free to reach out to us with any questions or help you may need when that time comes.
@@Taurion4467 IO Tried joining many times but they just ignored me due to a foreknowledge of the group. They only want people with no pre-knowledge of SCJ or Lee Man Hee so they can indoctrinate easily. Such a loser group hiding in the dark. Lee man Hee can stick it up his arse
@@Taurion4467you know for a fact that SCJ avoids recruiting people with good Bible knowledge. Or maybe you don’t that’s why you’re so smug about it. For an organization who claims that the 144k priests will come out from which is completely unbiblical, you sure are arrogant.
@@Taurion4467
You know, Great Light Studios would probably allow you on their channel. You and Steve can discuss your beliefs publicly also.
Your comment contains no specificity or explanatory power but merely labels the people in this video as ignorant and wrong. How can any rational person change their mind if you communicate in this way?
Shin Hyun-wook owes Shincheonji 30 million won (currently close to 60 million won). Even though this court decision was confirmed, in order to avoid repayment, he did not acquire property in his own name and received money received during seminars and forced conversion training in the name of others
They actually addressed this is the video, and it turns out that Shin was found not guilty of your cult's false claim :).
Try harder.
So it mean spirit of Mr shin is into lee man hee flesh 😅
Leave us alone to enjoy our cult in peace.everyone has freedom to believe in what the want to believe in.😊
Who said you didnt have freedom to believe what you want? The nice thing about freedom is that people who disagree with you also have the freedom to criticize you.
To me it seems that the more you attack these people the more you make people come to them, so that they see the light.
You don't have pure doctrine yourselves and you are here to lie to many. it seems that the young man here is always having sleepless nights with the said church (observing from his eyes).
This very noise is what Jesus met with the Scribes and Pharisees.
Hahhahaa okay keep it up. As you are doing this, don't forget the word of ISA 5:20~22.
I wish you could be doing this with evidence scriptures. But you have no ability bcz you don't know the scriptures.
Those who have hears to hear have heard. I need an answer bro
Got a question, if SCJ has the highest truth, why are they still using the wisdom of hiding to recruit? The wisdom of hiding includes looking at fallen men and women, like Jacob, as examples to justify lying, instead of looking to Jesus, whose lips no deceit was found (1 Peter 2:22). To make matters worse, and with a twist of irony, the way that a "lie" is redefined is by claiming that a spiritual lie is only when one adds and subtracts to God's word, citing Rev 22:18-19. The issue with this is that ironically, you are committing that same sin when you take away from God's commandment of bearing false witness to your neighbor in Exodus 20:16. The Hebrew word for "false" is sheqar, which is also translated to "lie" in verses like Proverbs 12:22, Proverbs 14:5, Psalms 63:11. Jesus made it clear who would use such tactics, and you can see the answer to this in John 8:44 and Matthew 7:15.
I bring this up because Isaiah 5:20-22 mentions light and darkness, and it is pretty clear that SCJ is an example of an organization using darkness to spread their doctrines. If you don't believe me, there are plenty of testimonies online showing examples of how SCJ deceived and tricked many. You may say that "we are open now, look at the videos!" But, for you to ignore the on-going use of deception which is still happening today, is dishonest.
I think the devil use u guys who is agains scj
You people are wasting time. Instead of blame other better to teach Bible. God's man never blame other. Satan's pastor are blaming other. If they teach wrong you teach right. Saw them were is wrong. Just claiming cult, then who are you?
Thank you for the comment!
Paul exposed false teachers in 1Timothy and 2Timothy. Are you sure that rebuking false teachers is the work of Satan? They are exposing organizations that teaches false doctrines which is considered a Cult according to SCJ’s lessons. And with that definition in mind, SCJ is a cult.
You seem to have an issue with criticism. Criticism is essential for societal progress. I have made numerous videos about my issues with their doctrine, tactics and reasoning regarding the supernatural.
On what basis we must trust you and why?😂
yes, why should we trust Lee Manhee? A man who constantly lies about not being evangelized by other groups (and yet was in 3 different cults), and has a doctrine dedicated to justifying lying. Great question!
@@examiningthescj8176😂lol what did you get your history of Scj from kfc?
You dont need to trust the testimony of any person in this matter, both from inside and outside SCJ. However, you should investigate reliable methods for determining whether SCJ's claims are true. There is literally zero evidence that proves the supernatural claims of SCJ.
Only eating who’s blood and flesh? Could you guys not ask a better translator? We need to eat mr lee flesh? You guys are lying, and even the one interviewing you guys knows this but 😂😂😂.
I’m really laughing, we never learned that.. I understand the proper name is a snake cause you are poisoning, real lies spread 😅
Never it’s been taught to eat Lee’s flesh or drink his blood. You guys need to come harder 🤨
Ah yes, we should trust in the group that has a doctrine justifying the use of deception, and whose fulfillment has been changed on multiple occasions!
How could we be so foolish?
Eating Lee's flesh and blood? Saying Lee claims to be Jesus or God himself? Is there anything new? Such malicious rumors. Jesus experienced this at his first coming and here it is, happening in Jesus' second coming too.
@@Dandelion_flight
Where in this video did the claim of Lee Manhee being God ever occur? Also, your group does not believe in the deity of Jesus, and believe that by eating the flesh and blood of Jesus, what is meant is believing the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We're just quoting your books that were approved by your leader, but is now called heresy, including the Shintan book of 1985 and many others.
Imagine 😢he knows the truth but the spirit left him he is poisoning 😢
@@Sarah-mine
This is a very interesting phenoma considering cults and thought stopping techniques.
All critiques that go against your group is "slander", "deception", and "poison". Even when pointing to evidence that goes against your group, like news papers or former leaders, the members immediately apply thought stopping techniques.
No matter what, even by just disagreeing with the narrative SCJ proposes, it is immediately labeled as "persecution".
Once you out of shincheonji you lost the word of God. Bad explanation
If Lee man hee is saying that you guys need to step forward to show why “ Shincheonji “ is incorrect why Am I not seeiing these kinda movies appear? Invite leaders, workers in the word to go through the book of Revelation and proof they are wrong 🫡
You realize that there are many Christian pastors who can explain Revelation verse by verse, right?
The thing with SCJ members like yourself is that you'll dismiss any criticism of SCJ by calling it persecution and any commentary outside of Lee Manhee's commentary as "maddening wine."
Despite the failed and updated "fulfillments" of SCJ, you'll continue blindly obeying and believing.
I'll pray for your salvation.
@Taurion4467
There are none? Oh yea, you believe that any commentary outside of Lee Manhee's is maddening wine.
I've called my pastor, and the elders, and they're able to explain Revelation verse by verse, and they even get into the Greek and historical context.
@Taurion4467
Considering our past interactions, I believe that the "Holy Spirit" is on my side.
Go read George Ladd's commentary on the Book of Revelation.
Or let me guess, it's maddening wine, right?
I never understood why you seem to be in denial that there are other cults and Christians that can explain Revelation.
Also, I did get contacted by SCJ through social media. Of course, the person wasn't fully honest about their beliefs, just like how you pretend to be a Christian, but after a few hours of talking, the person managed to at least stop the charade and admit how they truly felt about Christianity.
I dont think there is any good reason to accept any of their supernatural claims and since their supernatural claims are unfalsifiable, there is no way to prove or disprove it. It is therefore a meaningless activity to try to disprove it in the same way it is meaningless to try to disprove that we live in a simulation.
@@examiningthescj8176 where are these pastors that explain revelation?