Shincheonji Ex-Member | Why I Left The New Heaven New Earth Church | Part 1
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2023
- Ready, a 5-year former Shincheonji (New Heaven New Earth) member, talks about her experience in the SCJ and why she left.
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I just left SCJ a couple of days ago. I completed the 9 months Bible study course and opted to become a member of the church because I enjoyed the class and met some good brothers in the process. Though I was raised as a christian, I left the chuch at 18 and became non-religious. At the beggining of 2023 I started to become curious about the Bible and started to read it myself. I prayed to God for further understanding of his word, then a friend of mines hit me up and asked of I wanted to join a Bible study on Zoom and I said yes. Upon joining the church I began to notoce how aggressive they were about demanding my time and evangelizing others and it turned me off. I began to do some googling and found many videos like this that opened my eyes. After some prayer, I decided to leave and now here I am. I still love Jesus though. Just gonna have to find a new, real church home and community of believers.
Wow sister I am glad you left!!! God revealed to me that they were false!
It's true these people can pleasure me am done and I thank God that now my eyes are opened😊
Take some time to yourself to really read the bible and understand God through the Word itself . I believe Gods word of revelation will still be fulfilled in its full truth . I just don’t know if that is the place anymore. I just discovered all these things 2 days ago as a member
@@ImmaculateInspiredsame here, a former group member of mine recently left and i thought she was really understanding cause her answers were always “better” than mine if i should say. I was always, i mean always confused from day one. One time i was so confused that i cried in front of my leader telling her my frustration coming from a Christian church to that church. Things were so different and i remember i was told to kinda get over it cause me showing weakness, satan is happy. It kinda still left me even more conflicted and now i wanna leave too..
@@ImmaculateInspired hey love , I just told them I no longer want to be apart of it and left lol
Please continue what you do brother.. your platform helps people feel that we are not alone experiencing this
Does your comment mean that you had a hard time parting from SCJ? How long has it been since you left and how are you feeling now?
@@Ozmni11 it was not as hard as these people in the videos, but still it wasnt easy.. i was joining their studies in 2021 for 6months..
@@Ozmni11 much better and i think that experienced help me to read my bible and not just believe any one teaches.. pray to God for wisdom and understanding... the bible became more true to me too about false teachers using his name to stray others away from the truth..
This is the (hands-down) best SCJ interview you've ever done on your channel. Ready was soo knowledgeable and logical and you both brought up fantastic points.
Thank you!
Mark 7:9 These words are the words that will judge you 😢
@@deongroupe5826 , are you trying to warn me from "human rules?" Lee Man-Hee's rules are human rules.
@@craitwhat is a human rule? Can you explain?
@@jenniferyi4309 , it's incredibly obvious from what @deongroupe5826 is saying. Lee Man Hee just makes up random stuff. He is just a normal, sinful human, like you and me. He shouldn't be doing so, but he is trying to insert himself between you and God with his dumb rules and lies. He says that the only way to Heaven is through him, which completely contradicts the Bible.
Great video Ready!! Super proud of you 🤗
They just started their work in Brazil. I was at college when a young woman came to talk to me saying that she studies theology so started to make questions, as soon as I told her I am a Christian she asked for my phone number and asked me to talk about the Bible. It was clear that she knew a lot of verses and knew a lot about the Bible, time went by and she invited me for a Bible study. Via zoom, I studied for three months but yesterday I decided to look them up on the internet and figured a way to find the church’s name and was shocked with what I found out. These videos are really helpful and made my eyes truly open. Brazil needs to know about this
Yea, people need know the SCJ is very deceptive and is a cult
Wow wow 😂Do you follow God (Jn1:1) who is the word or you follow the internet.
Did God say we follow the internet? Which verse?😢
That was the foolish decision ever.😢
Ephesians 5:17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
I did the exact same thing ! Amen and amen!!!
What exactly did you find out?
Oi, sou brasileira. Você mora em qual estado ?
I was invited by an online friend to join a Zoom study. Little do they know I am experienced with religious cults, and the Lord delivered me from one. Since then, I knew I had a duty as a believer to learn and understand the word of God for myself. When introduced, I saw red flags from the very beginning but stuck around to see where things would go. I'm hoping to get a chance to speak to the large group soon. I pray God uses me to reach anyone in the study who has ears to hear to renounce their teachings and come to knowledge of the truth in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ ALONE. No other man
I will say that as believers, we must take time to read the Bible on our own and pray for understanding. We must familiarize ourselves with the word of God so that no one can trick or deceive us into believing a lie. We cannot rely on others to give us an understanding of the word. Understanding doesn't come from man but from God.
Mark 7:9, these are the same words that will judge you 😢
I’m doing the same too, I come from Nigeria so used to stuff like this 😂😂😂😂. I actually feel a need to bring them to change Jesus wants to save all
Which verse says it's a cult
Even the pharisees said that to Jesus. So go on and divert your mind but still you can come and repent
You are fulfilling the prophecy as on the wrong side. I see now that not everyone will enter the Kingdom of God. The teachings at Shincheonji is very clear. Only those who have the devil in them will never understand those teachings. Repent and enter God's Kingdom.
@@agam2967 even if we shout so loud so that one with devil's mark(lies) in his heart and mind forehead they will never enter God's kingdom where there is an eternal rest. (Rev 14:11)
But we are determined to preach even when they are not willing to listen.
Job 36 [NIV]
[ 11] If they obey and serve him,
they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity
and their years in contentment.
[ 12] But if they do not listen,
they will perish by the sword
and die without knowledge.
thank you so much for sharing this!!!! they are everywhere on ig...
I had just completed two weeks of Bible classes with SCJ (I had signed up under the name "Zion Christian Mission Center") but I stopped attending the classes effective today) because I remember our instructor mentioned they belong to SCJ meaning "New Heaven and New Earth' at the beginning of our initial class. I wanted to get more info on their church , history etc and had thoughts of signing up for more classes but I could not find any specific website and when I checked with the lady who corresponds with me mostly, she stated they do not have any website, that got my attention and made me skeptical and hence my search began and took me here and other related videos. Thank you for sharing this experience as it made me take a sound decision.
Great question to ask! Good job looking into them!
Yes there are the same
My bf is attending too😢
Hey same here , they are currently reaching out to me to make up my last missed lessons
They almost got me too. I attended the same one! They are very secretive about their origins!
I am sorry for you 😢coz the bible says MANY are called but few are chosen, the truth is you made a wrong decision in your life
Great video of Gods deliverance for this woman from an occult and bringing her closer to Truth.
Awesome video! 💎
I'm leaving scj I am a part of them now and didn't even know it. 10 month course on zoom
I'm in the DMV as well. Was briefly in their classes in Alexandria back in Jan 2017 until many red flags came up as a result of their teaching. Praise God for many coming forward and exposing this! God bless you all in Jesus name!
Thank you so much for this! I was in the course for about 2 months and God stirred my spirit enough where I found this interview! I feel so free in Christ! Thank you Jesus for liberating me from these lies straight from the mouth of Satan!!!
I feel the need to warn everyone but they are very ready on the zoom calls and they will mute you in two seconds!!
Im glad you told me Jessica 😊
. Seems like you haven’t learned anything cause you haven’t been paying any attention in class. If you believe in Jesus then you would take your precious time to get to know the Bible that SCJ is teaching. A teaching that no other church can explain the parables and revelation. Good luck on judgement day.
they message me a few days ago, i took the orientation today and i did not feel comfortable during the orientation, i was led to go online and research them and came accross your video, i have not written the course registration, please what do i do
Hola, necesito los libros que mencionas yo me he dado cuenta de su falsedad pero mi familia aún lo sigue y no estudian por eso no entienden. Me ayudan con información
Very good video. You helped me with wmcog i had no idea what it really was. I thought it was just bible study.
Hes a hypocrite, he ate the Passover of the wmscog
@benilyadovein2434 they did not invented passover.
This girl is sharp! I studied with SCJ in 2014, and at first, it was so interesting. As it progressed I started to feel sick to my stomach after almost every session. I kept crying out to God to clarify whether this was from him or not. The doctrine just didn’t make sense based on what I knew as a Christian. I’m not sure what would’ve happened if I didn’t end up in the hospital (due to an injury) before I finished the studies! I almost felt like God allowed it to happen to protect me from getting sucked in. Even though I was pretty solid in my Christian faith, I still had a hard time getting back on track. I kept questioning if it really was the truth and I somehow was missing it. Ultimately, I didn’t trust the Holy Spirit telling me over and over again to get out. It saddens me because there are so many people I met who sincerely love God and believe it to be true. I tried to tell them. Prayerfully they will realize the truth and get out.
They invited me to the Bible study. When they began to talk about New John and the servant who will give food at the proper time , i got vibes like they are taking the food at the proper time out of context, and also i couldn't find any New John references.
They talked about the one who will overcome, and i thought they were taking that out of context, because Jesus says to whom overcomes i will make a pillar, but they seemed to be pointing to only one person overcoming, and tying it to New John
I talked to them and said i was worried about this over emphasis on New John, that it was like getting people ready to accept a cult leader or someone other than Jesus.
I asked if this emphasis was going to go away later and hoped it would.
My friend asked me to ask their name and they wouldn't give it. So im at month four and they said something about new heaven and new earth and its worse than i thought....
Looks like new john is not going away. Day two of seeing the full picture and im watching every interview.
The only thing they had going for them us seeming dedication and seeming desire to want others to know God.
Red flag us giving all the answers to the test.
That the same thing for me. I went to read revelation3 time. I don't see were Jesus promise to sent the one who overcome. Or how the 7 church translate to the lampstand as one place where the rebellion and destruction happen. Because rebellion and destruction is happening in every churches. That where my doubt about it began.
Unfortunately my sister and brother are in now and graduating from this cult and they tell them that the family is the enemy so we have so many family issues they become sooo crazy we are afraid for them it looks like they lost their souls…
Process of a person becoming a member sounds exactly like the WMS. People in various chats conversing about how to best get the person baptized and continuing to study.
The way of approach members does not even prove they're the same in the least bit.
WMSCOG has fundamentally great differences with SCJ.
@@ritao1958 I'm not SCJ bro.
SCJ is basically groundless biblically.
@@ritao1958"Satan disguise himself as an angel of light". Didn't you read that?
Yet, you didn't try seeking truth and stopped by these "similarities", though I had made myself clear that there's only 1 true one among the East's'
@@ritao1958 No. There are so many more verses I would like to share. But you'll not be willing to listen until you're willing to seek.
What is WMS?
Damn these creeps they crept into our home through discord and kidnapped my oldest son!!! They have brainwashed him and tricked him to fly out to California on spur of the moment by buying his tickets. Thank God my youngest son Saw through them and left!! I'm praying for God's deliverance for my son who has been so gullible I know he was honestly seeking direction
Praying for him
Yes , please make more videos about cults and how people go through things? Many donot openly talk about it. Awareness on these type of topic is very important.
Watch Tiphani Montgomery
Wonderful to see people coming out of that dangerous, life-destroying group.
Keep doing your important work!
It's you destroyed unknowingly
How about the information you gave them to register for the book of life
I'm currently 4 months into the Bible Study course in Zoom and just started doing some research before finding this video. I want to let the other people who are taking the study with me know this is a cult because I already know I was lied to by 3 people because I asked what church they go to in Korea (even though I now know it's on the course website) and asked not to look online because they are being persecuted and I would only see lies before they would talk about their church in the Bible class. I did check that night in class to see if I could send a private message to each person but they have disabled that feature so now I have to wait to expose the lie unless I find another way before they can block me.
Good job for speaking up about this!💕👏I hope people see this and believe the true gospel.
I was there almost 5 years but some members are still trying to get me back in ofcos I’d never go back
COVID time is when I decided to leave. I meet my now husband and we have a baby. Best thing I ever did. They still text me and I just ignored them. I felt so bad for all the young ppl that have college degrees and do nothing with them and end up working in small cafe because they tell them not to focus on career it’s just all greed. Don’t focus on dating and wanting to have kids or anything like that. Because it’s not important. All the struggle they have all the money problems are not problems because it’s for god.
I wish her goodluck!
Wowww, I just left this church.
❤But Is 2:2-3 and rev 15:4-5 directs all nations to go to this place in the last days ( you must come back) to this Temple of Tabernacle Of Testimony (the new heaven and new Earth of Rev 21:1-2 in Korean is language is called shincheonji) coz it's the only place with the truth that you need, maybe if you have truth.
So will you follow the word of God or what your heart tells you.
Check and see by your self..................
New International Version 1984 Revelation 15:4-5 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.” After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.
Wmscog is the real church where the real Elohim gods are because bible prophecy in the last days people will be.lead astray from the the true faith and sadly it's happening in these last days father and heavenly Jerusalem mother they are the truth I testify because I believe bible prophecy the church has shown me and I will never leave this true path to salvation 💯🙌🙏🥰
I’m also glad I left! They come as an angel of light, but actually a very dark cult.
Why do you say so, give a reason
@@FMN98Because they teach a gospel that's different from what the Bible taught..
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
Which verse says it's cult.
But rev 15:4-5 says it's a Temple of Tabernacle of Testimony.
Rev 14 says it has 14000 first fruits.
Each tribe 12000. And are 12 tribes
By the way they now exist
""So those who say it's cult which tribe do they come from?""
But me I am from one of the twelve tribes of this New Heaven and New Earth what you called shincheonji as the Korean language a(Newly created Kingdom and nation)
The ark will be closed and the flood of fire not even of water like in the days of Noah will consume those who are not in 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Why aren’t churches teaching revelation? I joined because I wanted to learn more about the Bible and Revelation.
There are churches that can explain Revelation, verse by verse, and commentaries that can also do the same as well.
Check out commentators like George Ladd who can explain the book of Revelation in detail, while also can reference the Greek and Historical context.
The issue is that most SCJ members are programmed into believing that anything that counters SCJ's theology is "persecution", which is a good example of information control and manipulation.
Did George Ladd tell you which tribe you are and what made you to qualify to be in that tribe according to rev 7?
Ask him and come tell me also❤
What do they say about Rev 21:1-5
@@twinamatsikojoab3436
Good question! I belong to the Tribe of Jesus Christ, whose blood atoned for my sins (Leviticus 17:11, John 19:30).
We can see this further proven by 2 Peter 2:9, where Peter refers to the first cent:9ury Christians as a "royal priesthood", not a random Korean sect 2000 years later.
Even in Revelation 5:9-10, we can see a plain and simple explanation of the "New Song", where people were purchased by the Blood of the Lamb (the life of Jesus and His blood atoning for our sins, which is also consistent with the Old Testament).
Now I have a question for you, why do you add and subtract to the Gospel of salvation, by now adding more requirements for being saved? We now need to: be "sealed" (or basically articulate) Lee Manhee's commentary on the Bible, need to recruit by bearing fruit, and need to be apart of SCJ's "book of life" on top of having faith in Christ.
This is a different gospel from what the Apostles and Jesus represented us in the 1st coming. Ironically, in Galatians 1:8, this is exactly what Paul warns against. To add more irony to this situation, Paul specifically calls out: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This is exactly the same testimony of Lee Manhee, that he was given this new gospel and "new song" in SCJ terms by an angel.
There is no tribe of Jesus.
Quote that verse that says it's the tribe of Jesus.
Do you want to be alier.
Please do not lie show a scripture that says it's the tribe of Jesus.
But me I know my tribe, my number in this tribe and how many we are to make the promised number also I know the new song.
Do you know the new song?
Kindly sing for me a little.
About the blood of Jesus where did it purchase you and how can one drink it,
Jesus said that he will drink it again in the father's kingdom so if you were purchased with this blood are you already in the kingdom of God
Has it come already or you are also praying like us shincheonji for it to come down.
Mat 6:9 the lord's prayer tells us to pray that it comes down.
do you know about the great multitude that washes in this blood in Rev 7:13? When will they wash it that blood.
Answer this.
U mean your sins are atoned already by this blood?
This is ominously similar to wmscog 😮
Yes it is
the way of approach members does not even prove they're the same in the least bit.
WMSCOG has fundamentally great differences with SCJ.
The 144 000 in Rev 7 were the remnant mentioned in Romans 9 which is why rev 7 focuses on genealogy. It happened first century AD.
Then why is talked to as fulllfillment in Revelation if it was already done in the 1century,,why confuse believers with your wrong doctorines,plz repent this is atrue and everlasting gospel.
the whole nt was written before 70 AD. Rev 1-12 happened first century. Rev 13-22 did not. Rev 13 is next to happen. Rev 13 is modern 1948 country israel, and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.
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Godbless wmscog we love wmscog love from New Zealand thank you father and mother for the truth of salvation and for openingy eyes to the truth 💯🥰🤗💪✨❤️👑
Can someone please share Lee Man Hee books on pdf?
i want book too
Why did they want pictures of my handwriting?
Do you have a biblical way to refute? Dealing with them now. Blessings
2 Corinthians 4:1-2 - Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
Hola, estudie con este Grupo sin embargo me di cuenta de su control pero quedan familiares por eso quiero saber de los libros para tener mas pruebas de su falso cumplimiento ya que a nivel latino casi no tenemos información
😂 아닙니다 they can't say unless if they were victorious over the beast and it's name like the people of Rev 15:1-2 and now gathered at Zion where they have the testimony with them coz they saw and heard
Only those can tell correctly
Heb 12 says it well that from there only can we find the truth and All heavenly spirits are there ❤
Hola yo soy de Ecuador y me acabo de salir de estas clases bíblicas. La instructora se llama Laura es de Colombia y tiene evangelistas que trabajan con ella, Roy,Liam,Maira,entre otros....te hablan de quevellos tienen la palabra revelada y que solo los que crean en el vencedor van a ser salvos.....
@@uchihalovex100prehola, yo estoy igual en las clases y solo llegando a nivel intermedio supe que eran parte de esta iglesia 😅 yo solo me inscribí porque pensé que era curso de la biblia.
¿Que les dijiste cuando te saliste?
I’m in the class no and some stuff they say sound strange when they start saying leave church just to go to their church after that my heart wasn’t in it no more. They make me second guess who I am and what I’ve been taught to be milk instead of meat
I left SCJ last year, but my only concern is there were parts i didn't agree with certain scriptural interpretation especially the resurrection, ascension and return of the messiah. i am not ignorant of the sound teachings i got in the beginning..
If we missed it, we will definitely perish but if they are deceived then God have mercy on their soul..
2Tim 4:3 says it's not what we want to listen but to what is truth (jn 17:17)
U need perharps to re consider and study again atleast coz may you missed somewhere in some lecture.
❤ 2 Timothy 4:3-5 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
Why do they make people sign pledges when joining? Literally telling people if they leave they'd go to hell?
I used to attend online classes with this group.
Was in 2 years currently trying to leave
im glad i left this place while i stil had time,everything was questionable.i had questions for everything and couldnt have answers and when they said we must not tell anyone about this place..Red flag 1.family and friends must not know about it.2 evangelising and go around recruiting ppl and be discreet about it thenthe way they dressed and conducting things was not for me i left and im glad i did my spirit was not at ease all the time i was there
Rev 15:4-5❤
I’m on the last two weeks of class.
Keep it up don't quit
But even Jesus whom we beleive in today was also regarded as a cult but if I may ask was Jesus a cult ?.
Of course not...But they teach a different gospel that Jesus Apostles didn't teach.I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
From what I understood
Beliebing and knowing the the fulfilment of prophecy is completion of salvation. They belief in believing in the word of the OV. What think I don't understand. Basically every church who do not have the word of prophecy and fulfilment are in sea. Basically under Satan leadership. My question ok what about those who love the Lord follow scripture. Apparently everyone have the word but because we do not have the word of prophecy and fulfilment we cannot go to the kingdom of God. I do agree that it is important to understand prophecy and fulfilment however what throw me off is how the OV think. My heart have just rejected it.
Please don't delete their comments. Silencing them is not the best way to help them. 😕, I just saw a comment saying that I dont know if it is true though. Don't do that, please 🙏❤.
He does delete comments. He's a hypocrite. He partook in the wmscog Passover but is telling everyone not to. God rebuke him
I don’t think he deletes comments. Some people comment-bomb and then UA-cam will have him approve comments for those people. UA-cam also has policies about harassment and they might take control of comments. Jordan always leaves open dialogue.
@@benilyadovein2434ma’am- please stop lying
@@benilyadovein2434yea, and the WMS never blocks or deletes peoples messages and comments!!! Yea right. Talk about a hypocrite…
@@benilyadovein2434 I don't delete comments unless they are spam or offensive/violent.
Trank you.
We are Shincheonji the Temple of Tabernacle of Testimony and God said that you will all come to this place Rev 15:4-5
Either follow God or follow the stubborness of your hearts as the bible says about it (james 3:14., titus1:9-16
Read there and see
Testimony is notoriously unreliable for establishing the truthfulness of extraordinary claims. This is why its difficult for some of us to take SCJ seriously. You have fallen victim to wishful thinking. Its natural but its irrational.
You presented a false dichotomy at the end btw. You should study some logic.
@@SCJSkeptichmmm which verse ??
By the way mark 7:7 says those are your logics (words) but kindly testify with scriptures then I will listen to you. Don't become a lier as the pharisees did and called Jesus a cult/ demon possesed because of a new Doctrine ( Jn 8:48-49) and his servant Paul as well in acts 24:5, 14 due to ignorance of the word and not wanting to learn the new word. (Tied in the past. As the old wine skins not ready to receive the new wine and that is why Jesus said it in Luke that if you put the new wine in old wine skins like you ,your heart can't hold it but burst 😥
do not burst anyway God loves the repentance and gives life. You can make your self new wine skin (humbleness).🥰
@@twinamatsikojoab3436 I'm not the pharisees since they believe in similar ancient myths than you do. If I have spoken anything that is factually incorrect you can point it out otherwise labelling me as a liar is unjustified. I am not familiar with any words ever revealed to anyone by a god. Though many people have claimed to receive revelations from a god, I havent seen any evidence of it.
The problem you do not use any single scripture do prove your words, so you just become like someone just lying since the truth is the word jn 17:17.
So everything you say atleast quote a scripture.
In ignorance that pharises spoke made up stories as we see in 2tim 4:3 and people loved them that way and at the end because of that Jesus was able to check the word of old testament prophesied and found out that these people were children of Satan since they were lying (Jn 8:44)
Do you also want to be like the pharises because of lying, so use scriptures in every word you speak.
John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
My dear not believing is normal and by the way as we see it was also hard for people at first coming to accept the testimony of Jesus as one from above and son of God , (refer to Jn 3:31-33 ) so they accused him of blasphemy 😢
Also today if someone like the promised pastor Lee Man Hee comes and says that I heard and saw it is also hard to believe, which is ok but anyway we have to believe if we critically listen, check to the testimony he is giving from above.
Why is it so? As Mathew 23:39 said that Jesus will send a messenger that will come in his name before we see him again then we have to believe. If we do not believe it is our fault.
Come and know even more about why Lee Man Hee is the promised pastor the one from east where the work of God at second coming starts and e.t.c
That lee man hee is the new john the one who overcomes the promised pastor in revelation 21 oh God have mercy
I also was one of them but some doctrines was not something to believe at all
Cheosongamidah to Hananim for you killing his souls😭😭😭 but remember they will fight with the lamb but they will not overcome it
Hi everyone! I'm studying the bible with a member of SCJ at the moment. He keeps bringing up how sin leads to death. If you have no sin, you won't die. Can someone please refer me to those who might understand their doctrine when it comes to death so I could be better prepared to address this issue.
Just continue learning until you study Revelation where the tree of life is promised by Jesus, Rev21 & 22.
Is Rom 6:23 wrong?
God who is life wants to come back in the world with no sin and give life and you want gather efforts to fight God?
Instead of understanding you want to fight. Are you not becoming like that pharises Pastors 2000yrs ago and Jesus?.
The one who persecute the word is Satan so from the beginning till now God sent prophets and we're all killed even his own son Jesus.
Go on and persecute like Satan.
😢😢Luke 11:47-51 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your forefathers who killed them. So you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
If anyone is to give you an advise let it be from the bible not just empty words and commentaries
Rev7:2 -> The last work of salvation is destined to begin from the East. So, we should begin paying attention to the messages coming from the East.
However, Jesus also warned that false Christs would appear to deceive.
Mt24:23-24 -> False Christs are to appear to deceive many
So, though you think it's similar group to wmscog, it's merely a disguise of the false Christs.
Now it has become more difficult for you since you have experienced the false christ. Study the Bible more carefully until all doubts are cleared.
Good luck.
Wmscog said the same thing about scj- they said why are so many false Christs in Korea? “It’s because the true Christ will come from there”. They’d then say, “can you have a knockoff Gucci bag of the real Gucci bag didn’t exist? Wmscog is the real and the other ‘Christs’ are the knockoffs”. They are all insane. 🤪🤪🤪🤪
I live in Korea. The East of me is Japan. Can you please explain why Korea is more special than Japan?
@@crait Really? Then you should have known why.
Because the 2nd coming Christ did not come from Japan.
It's the same as asking China, Philippines, Taiwan.
@@crait The main point to focus is, it's not going to be Western countries this round.
@Hezekiah1440 , it wasn't in a Western country, last time. Do you think "The Middle East" is "The West?" It's not.
All these succesfull Influencers and Leaders with there Organisations useing the same methods. Find the right people say what they want give the the Illusion they want. Hide your real goals. Become there personal Messia. And this people will do everything what you want for you and your Organisation. But all these thinks are comming from a Human Brain. Because God saved us by Glory. Only thing is we must belive in Jesus. Thats the big differnt. God only want that we belive if you are a real beliver, thinks comes from there self, with out pressure, manipulation, fear-tactics
I was a victim too 😢, two girls lured me with love to take bible study. Thank God i know my bible as a Christian and i keep talking against anything they say in the bible study until they dropped me 😂. They see me as a threat
She is very articulate and sharp.
Beautiful gal actually!!
Just like the saducees and teachers of law in the OT, said about Jesus that he was a demom and cult, you 2 b:c you do not perceive, persecute, but this is what is suppose to happen if you believe the Bible, God please forgive them for they know not what they are doing 😢
Thats what many cults say. Perhaps you can present counter arguments instead.
You should leave them bro. I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
Jesus is back before you realized you have no chance
Just as Jesus did not directly say am God
How new members are treated, the expectations put on them, not pushing too hard, all in line with the WMS.
They probably use same verses… A newborn baby can’t eat solid food.
So are you once a wmscog member?
Anyway, the way of approach members does not even prove they're the same in the least bit.
WMSCOG has fundamentally great differences with SCJ.
Shit , this is true😂
They love 💣 you big time. Very similar to JW's.
If you trust your blasphemy video, then do not delete the messeges of those who text scriptures that disprove your allegations
Woe woe to us who follow internet instead of the word.
Do you follow God (Jn1:1) who is the word or you follow the internet.
Did God say we follow the internet? Which verse?😢
That was the foolish decision ever.😢
Ephesians 5:17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
God also warned us about false prophets, and to mark them and warn others. We can see this with the Apostle John who warned his congregants about the false preachers infiltrating the church (1 John 4). The specific group he was warning about is known as the Gnostics, which also made an emphasis on "secret, hidden knowledge" and also over spiritualized the Bible, just like Shincheonji. (2 Peter 2:1-3, Mt 7:15).
@@examiningthescj8176 in 1jn 4:1 as you said it says that we have to test them, so do you know how to test them
Jesus showed in the bible how we test them and we shincheonji we know how to test them . Go there and learn how to test them so that you do not just use instincts, hate, cursing, persecution and ignorance
At first coming Jesus spoke of the true Vine as him self jn 15:1, 5 deciples branches) and had good fruit did people eat it? They eat the bad fruit as he taught with a parable in Mathew 7:He also prophesied about the free of life in the book of revelation that has 12 branches and it's leaves heal the whole world.
Do you know that organisation that Jesus talked about? Do you know it having 12 tribes? Do you know those leaves that work as medicine?
Anyway the medicine is always not sweet at some point that is why you are not willing to take it but your soul might die if you do not take it anyway.
Make sure not to follow the made up stories of internet with no scripture basis explained why, coz as we see in Mat 7:17) they were the pharisees bad trees that killed people with poisonous word as we see acts 14.
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At first coming Jesus spoke of the true Vine as him self jn 15:1, 5 deciples branches) and had good fruit did people eat it? They eat the bad fruit as he taught with a parable in Mathew 7:He also prophesied about the free of life in the book of revelation that has 12 branches and it's leaves heal the whole world.
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Yes, Jesus did speak of himself as the true Vine, and through this parable / metaphor we can see that through Christ alone can we be saved and go to the Father. There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). You then mention that the book of Revelation of the 12 tribes are in reference to Shincheonji; and I asked you in another thread, and I'll ask you here.
If SCJ is the place of salvation, then why does Jesus make a promise to Peter in Mt 10:18 the following:
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell[b] shall not prevail against it
Yet, according to SCJ theology, the gates of hell did succeed against the church that the Apostles established, especially since all of Christianity is now married to Satan?
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Do you know that organisation that Jesus talked about? Do you know it having 12 tribes? Do you know those leaves that work as medicine?
Anyway the medicine is always not sweet at some point that is why you are not willing to take it but your soul might die if you do not take it anyway.
Make sure not to follow the made up stories of internet with no scripture basis explained why, coz as we see in Mat 7:17) they were the pharisees bad trees that killed people with poisonous word as we see acts 14.
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You see, the point that you are making is that Shincheonji is the fulfillment of this right? And yet, no where in the New Testament does it directly state that there will be another "messenger" or another "prophet" or speaks on behalf of God and Jesus and that we need to exclusively go to in order to receive salvation.
We can see this further when examining scripture:
You believe that Lee Manhee is the "one who overcomes", and yet using just basic grammar one can see that the "one who overcomes" is plural, making reference to those who overcome the persecution of the early church will receive salvation, and this can be applied to Christians even today. The Christians of the 1st century church, and the Christians of today, are overcomers:
1 John 5:4-5:
For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
Another verse you may point to is the Faithful and Wise Servant in Matthew 24:45 who gives food at the proper time, right?
Yet again, let us go ahead and look at the context:
In verse 40, we can see that Jesus sets up a "dichotomy" between those who are faithful servants to God, and those who aren't. The faithful servants (there are those who can also be in a position of power) will be awarded, the servants who are unfaithful will be punished.
This is a relatively straight forward passage, and yet SCJ adds and subtracts to God's word to justify their new doctrine that Paul warns against in Galatians 1:8.
Then let me guess, the "open scroll" in Revelation 10, which according to SCJ theology is the New Song?
What is the New Song? The new new is what Christ did on the cross (Revelation 5:9-10 plainly explains this). There's no mention of a new commentary on Revelation through a Korean man 2000 years later.
The list goes on and on.
So let me repeat my question: why did Jesus break his promise to Peter in Mt 10 by allowing the gates of hell to succeed against Christianity?
You are talking on the internet. I guess that means you just refuted yourself.
@@GreatLightStudiosanswer this question what did genesis 1:26-27 meant when god said let "US" make man in our image in our likeness?? He's meant us as in the form of him and another which is god the mother why don't u think god made us in there images like he said male and female?? Male is god image female?? Yeah it's only image of god the mother common sense. Also spirit and the bride give us water of life in revelation 22:17 last page of the Bible spirit reference to jesus and bride is referenced to Jerusalem mother that's prohecies U don't believe bible prohecies because your spiritual eyes are closed not opened to the truth.
To the current Shincheonji members lurking:
Why did Jesus break his promise to Peter in Mt 10 by allowing the gates of hell to succeed against Christianity? If SCJ is the truth, Christianity is now the "home of demons" and the Pastors are now married to Satan.
Why does the Jesus of SCJ break his promise to Peter?
Why do you delete comments that challenge you?
Damnable heretics should be silenced. Jordon doesn't silence those who disagree on secondary issues relative to Christianity. If he did, I wouldn't be here. He is very honorable in this way, unlike many other channels (Soteriology 101) who want to keep their channel an echo chamber.
@@ManassehJonesI hope he gets what he deserves for denying the Passover
@@benilyadovein2434 Not sure what you mean about him "denying the Passover." Please define the Passover for you as a born again believer in Christ.
@@benilyadovein2434Wow… Very Christ-like of u…
@@ManassehJonesYou don’t defeat bad ideas by trying to silence them. You defeat those ideas by exposing them and refuting them. GLS didn’t delete “challenging comments.”
In fact, I’ve yet to see a comment that was the least bit challenging from WMS members.
Only a person who has studied The book of REVELATION and understood it,Thereby being able to discern about the work of God and the work of Satan is the only one that can say what is coeect, otherwise all persons here giving comments from their own point of view are wrong, because they are lacking in the revealed Word of God from the beginning of Gods work to end of it.
Glory to God🙏🏾
Did you study ancient Greek to try to understand the intended meaning of the book of Revelation?
I know you are part of SCJ by the type of words you use “DISCERN” “REVEALED WORD”
Only God knows the sealed 144,000 , we may think we are sealed with God's Word of Truth but in God's standard we are not. So no one knows, except God Himself. If you come to Shincheonji, you will learn God's Word that you can not find anything to disagree. If you leave Shincheonji , it is your choice , the door is wide open. Why are you bitter after
you received the Word , you are blocking others from learning the Word. We are not worshiping Chairman, he is a messenger of Jesus , he is like Noah and Moses. God is spirit, Jesus is spirit and they are separate entities . In Jesus's second coming , he uses a flesh to prepare the people for his second coming, just like in the first coming, JTB is the flesh used , his work is to prepare the way for the first coming of Jesus. How God works for His people is the same pattern since the time of Adam down to this era. Those who left are those who don't persevere because the path to heaven is narrow and lonely at times. To achieve heaven and eternal life is what we all hope for.
What is the point of only god knowing who the 144 000 is? SCJ teaches when something is fulfilled, people need to believe in the fulfillment (Jn14:29). If we cant tie this supposed fulfillment to anything specific in reality, how can such a god expect any rational person to believe it.
@@SCJSkeptic A true believer is someone who believes in what he cannot see by his naked eye. Just as you mentioned of Jn 14:29. God prophesied through prophets by giving them visions on what will take place in the future. At the time of fulfillment of prophecy, physical realities appear , and we must believe for it is the truth. and by believing you glorify God, wouldn't our Living God be joyful? Going back to the sealed 144,000 , one will know when the event of the wedding banquet of the Lamb and you are a participant and of the first resurrection , You can enter heaven and eternal life. Then you will know that you part of 144,000
@@dorisracaza9509 But SCJ claims that the 144 000 is sealed already. How can we test this to see if its true? Even if you point to a group of 144 000 people specifically, how can we know that they have been sealed by the spirit of god?
The idea of waiting until the first resurrection is a "wait and see" argument. Anyone can make this argument for their organization.
if you.oppose SCJ then tell the time.for the actual reality of what was prophesied.plzthis time of the harvest,you have to leave those churches and cross to SCJ Mt Zion for salvation.sister you studied but realised nothing you are just born of the devils seed.
Dear Christian Jesus Said you can not Serve God unless you believe in the one he has sent. JOHN 6:29
You people until you understand the Parables of the secrets of Heaven THE PARABLES OF THE Seed and HARVEST YOU, YOU WILL NEVER CONECT TO THE 144000 IN REVELATION BOOK
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Jeez man. You should first learn to connect words together to form a proper sentence. Your grammar is appalling.
Bro deleted comments explains everything 😂
Amen nice advice,people accused jesus of being demonic but us today we all call on the same name but when called to reason together (Isaih1:18) we dont respond and end commenting ignorantly ,leave Jesus name and Just wait for your destruction to hell sister
Can you prove that the hell you are referring to exists?
U are so emotional dia
Anyway she will not go to hell but will reconsider this word one day and follow it to this place eventually. Though it's hard as heb 6:4-6
And you also be careful to be strong and never go back to mad and to eat vomits as others do as 2pt 2:22-23 says.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE OF REVELATION, KET YOUR WORDS BE FEW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE, THWN YOU ARE EITHER ADDING TO OE SUBTRACTING FROM IT, CHECK FOR YOURSELVES THE CONSEQUENCES .(Revelation 22:18-19).
The majority of most ancient societies were illiterate. Furthermore, the majority of early Christians were illiterate, uneducated and of a low social class - peasants (Acts 4:13, 1 Corinthians 1:26-27). This is why the scriptures had to be read aloud to them in social settings (Colossians 4:17, 1 Timothy 4:13, 1 Thessalonians 5:27, Revelation 1:3). The early New Testament manuscripts contained no punctuation marks, no spaces to separate words, no paragraph divisions and no distinction between lowercase and uppercase letters. This made it more difficult to copy and increased the probability of transcription errors. The early Christian manuscripts were not copied by professional scribes but simply by educated members of the Christian congregations. This increased the probability of transcription errors even more. Some of these errors were accidental and some were intentional. What makes it even worse is that each time a manuscript was copied it could be changed even further than before. If many copies of a manuscript existed, it would be very difficult to determine which one is the most accurate one that can be used to correct the other copies. The ancient world didn't have any printing presses, publishing houses or copyright laws. Some authors would sometimes call curses down on any copyists who modified their writings without permission (Revelation 22:18-19).
All those who condemn Shincheonji do not understand the Bible and God's promise. We are already in end times and judgment will start soon.
Yeah people have been saying that for hundreds of years. Im still waiting for something to happen 😂
@@SCJSkepticwhat will you do if judgement starts? When judgment starts the doors will be closed and the closure of the doors is not being able to be accepted at Shinchenonji again. The doors in Shincheonji are the 12 tribes. Just like Noah warned people in his generation, today this generation is also receiving warnings. It is good you know this already so you will not have any excuse going down in the lake fire, which makes the devil also tremble. You better think wisely and clearly. For anyone who understands the bible, they will realize that Shincheonji preaches truth which is not found elsewhere. I have been there for a few months now but what I leant is not comparable to any other teachings. It is the most complete and the absolute truth which you cannot find anywhere else.
@@agam2967 Well according to fairytale story, I wouldn't be able to do anything so I don't see the point of your question.
The bible says that Jesus would return within the lifetime of his early followers (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27). The bible says that the signs of the end times would happen before the end of the generation that were alive when Jesus lived (Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:31-32). The bible makes it clear that Jesus’ followers expected him to return within their lifetime (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, Hebrews 10:37, 1 Peter 4:7). The bible shows how people started doubting whether Jesus would still return and how they were encouraged to be patient until Jesus eventually returns (James 5:7-8, 2 Peter 3:3-10). The bible later promised again that Jesus would return soon but it didn’t happen (Revelation 1:1, 22:6-7, 22:10-12, 22:20).
Then people started to reinterpret the text and kept thinking that they are the special generation that will see the end times 🤣
How about you? Do you think you understand the Bible and God’s promise?
@@redpillman9663 tell me why you think I do not understand the bible and God's promise.
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Scj is achoice ,no one is forced to be there.wether you are present or not, God's kingdom continues and its growing each year.leave us alone.
You should leave them. I know they seem very knowledgeable and they answer questions with ease.. But Take a look at some of these verses and pray on it.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
Please people, for your own spiritual sake , don't just accept what people say about Shincheonji, don't be like those who just called Jesus a demon, instead they should have asked him and confirmed what he said according to the scriptures they had, I really don't have time to waste on people who didn't ask God to help them understand, but would rather do these types of self justification videos, there is going to be consequences one day, please forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
If you dont have time to waste on videos like this, why did you respond? And if you did have time to watch the video, what specifically do you disagree with?
I pray that you all repent and come back to Gods Kingdom, may you all see your wrong doings and comeback to Gods shelter
Instead of resorting to prayer, why don't you just present good arguments and evidence for your beliefs? The whole prayer response thing seems like something people say when they don't have any actual counter arguments.
Yes, lets have a healthy discussion with bible verses and explanations please
@@SCJSkepticand why can't you just simply explain revelation then?
@@stutiho4513 Why do I need to explain Revelation? I dont have a burden of proof since I am not the one claiming that Revelation corresponds to reality. Furthermore, merely providing an explanation for something in a book has no bearing on whether its true. For example, just because people can simply explain the Harry Potter books, it doesnt mean that the contents are therefore true.
Leave us to enjoy our cult in peace.religion is a choice everyone has freedom to believe in what they believe in.
Freedom of speech goes along with freedom of religion. They have the right to criticize SCJ.
Everyone has a right to share their experience
SCJ also talks about other churches how they started and how they are wrong. The promised pastor talks about Korean churches being in sin and also SCJ claims all churches are in sin
They have a right to speak so others also should
My sister is a part of this cult and we are trying to pull her back to reality. She wants to go to South Korea to “graduate” from the SCJ program and we are trying to convince her not to go. Her fellow members bought her a plane ticket and she is bent on going. Does anyone who knows someone or was formerly in the cult have any advice on how to pull her out of it? We’re really quite desperate. Thanks🩷
I was studying with them for about 5-6 months, Take a look at some of these verses and show them. There's more as well.
Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..
They LITERALLY preach a new gospel. It's as simple as that.
Acts 16:30-31 NKJV
[30] And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
If ANYONE preaches anything different from this, it's a false Gospel. All you must do to be saved, is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not the New John, not the new wine, none of that. That is by definition, a new Gospel.
Rev 12:10 Now salvation has come.
It says like that.
So are you saved yet.
And meaning revelation 12 is fulfilled right?
Also Jesus as he is coming to bring that salvation as we see heb 9:28 for you who gave it to you
You mean Jesus came back already.
For us we are waiting for him to come back as we hear what his promised pastor Man Hee Lee is directing us to
Cheosongamidah to Hananim for you killing his souls😭😭😭 but remember they will fight with the lamb but they will not overcome it