The Best Video Game Adaptation? - The Last Of Us Season 1 Review
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2023
- The Last Of Us Season 1 has just wrapped up on HBO culminating in that terrible thing that also happens at the end of the game. Here's our spoiler heavy review and a look at what's next for Seasons 2 and 3, thanks for listening
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When Joel entered the speed force I stood up, cheered, and thought to myself "this is what cinema is supposed to be"
Remember that one part when Joel looked at Ellie and said “This really is the last of us”
And then Ellie said “It’s mushroomrin’ time”
@@edrick106 That truly was my favorite line in the game
@@edrick106 and then started shroomin everywhere
The real frightening mushroom monsters were the cultist raiders and vengeful anarchists we met along the way.
My favorite part of the whole show was when the clicker was about to bite Joel and then stopped and looked directly at the camera and said "What are we? some kind of Last of Us" truly one of the moments in film history
Fun Fact the Giraffes stage name is “Blue” which is not only a reference to the seminal jazz record Kind of Blue, but also a reference to the working title “Blue Harvest” for the 1977 film Star Wars.
Ah yes, the scene where they get lost in the swamp but get rescued by a guy shouting ‘Rodney!’
RODNEY?!?!?
RODNEY!
RODNeeeY
RODNEY!
RODNEY!
IMO Ellie should have been played by Chris Pratt
Firefly’s camp, Here we come!
“ i spent hours of my life stomping… clickas”
Joel and Ellie should’ve been played by Chris Pratt at the same time
I can only imagine how well he would have delivered that line, “It’s-a-me, Ellie!”
I really loved the show my only complaint would be the lack of people using golf clubs I’m hoping future seasons will rectify this
Buddy do I have some spoiler filled news for you
FORE !!!
OUT OF POCKET
Druckaman said nothing will be changed and haters gonna hate
what did you love about this show specifically?
once joel woke up in the hospital it felt like it just speedran to the end, at least to me. I thought we'd get a whole episode of struggle to get there, ending with the knock out, and a final episode out of the entire hospital escape and trip back to wyoming
Only thing I agree with, they had a chance to remind us AND Ellie the danger the infected still face, which reinforces her decision to try and be the one to cure the world.
I mean it kinda portrayed how fast violence can occur
Honestly the whole show felt a bit like a speedrun. Like me personally I took my time enjoying the scenery when I played, but Pedro was looking for that bonus on completion time.
@@xasasas120I'd rather it portray a good, emotionally resonant climax than an incidental lesson about the nature of violemce
The best, by far, no doubt, there's never been a clearer winner in anything, ever. The best scene is when Ellie gets excited and has Joel run after her with the audience tensing up expecting something worrying only to find some guy in a swamp shouting Rodney over and over again.
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners
Arcane as well, I would recommend watching those first then try and tell us it's the best.
I’d rather watch the Sonic movies tbh. No scabs running those.
Castlevania
Arcane is as close to perfect as you can get. You can only argue that its not really a game adaptation because its an adaptation in name only compared to what the game its based on actually is. But its a marvel of storytelling and animation.
As someone who has never played the game or watched the show I can safely say this is one of the best adaptations of a Big Sandwich audio review.
The looping giraffe really added to the experience.
Big chungus/10
i agree, blue harvest/10
I completely disagree. Yes the human aspect is fantastic. The absolute disregard of the infected ruins the show. 3 episodes did infected show up in. 2 of them were nothing. What a joke. It's like Star Wars with no Vader.
@@NinjaPeko22
You completely missed the point of this post, dude.
That's not what it's about.
Sorry the show hurt you.
There's a certain majesty to it. One can't help but think of a horsey with a really long neck, and one's direction in life.
@@NinjaPeko22 I'm shocked that someone who can't read a single comment properly didn't like a show that apparently has the slightest bit of nuance
When it comes to the game casts' cameos, the original Marlene playing show Marlene was such an awesome touch
The giraffe moving freaked me out at first 😅
Just hearing James and Maso say “Big Chungus” is the funniest shit ever.
Fax
The australian accent, like the irish accent, just makes everything funnier.
Stephanie Sterling coined the term chungus originally
Really missed the chance for Big Fungus there
I do wish they’d included the part in the hotel where Joel and Ellie get separated from the first game, but oh well.
"No tension allowed in my apocalypse show' -Neil Druckman
I think while covering actor’s faces is a big part of removing gas masks and spores- another half is just that it doesn’t make much sense for spores to ONLY be gathered in the small, condensed areas because they’d be everywhere. So you’d have to have them just wear the masks constantly.
It's fiction. It's called the suspension of disbelief stop believing Neil druckman's hack excuses for not writing a good show. (Not the gas masks Were that important)
The other thing i would have wanted to see, like the brick usage is Ellie's sort of visceral reaction to Joel's violence. In the game you have all these close hairy moments of struggles for survival where Joel kind of brtualises people or whatever and Ellie is always shocked/horrified saying something like "Jesus Christ Joel". It adds a weight to the relationship and the violence by making it more repulsive.
Ellie is characterized differently in the show though. There are a few scenes where she is fascinated by violence rather than repelled; it's a contrast to Sarah.
@@BillH2949 Yeah I think I preferred her gworing to be numb to it in the games. I don't think we really saw enough for Sarah i neither though for that to be a distinct character contrast, at least in my opinion.
I think theres a scene with raiders early on in the hotel in the game, where Ellie saves Joel which was much better than the short raid scene in the garage but can see why naratively they went the other way.
Yeah we could of used an extra scene or 2 of Joel and Ellie sneaking around killing zombies or humans. The scene they did with the clicker where Joel was trying to quietly reload was great, really captured the feeling of the games.
For all the emotional weight people give to this show it's pretty timid about violence, a big and important part of the game
Sometimes she could have yelled “Christ on a bike!” after a big explosion or something?
I ripped a bong before watching this and it took me a minute to realise that the giraffe moving was not just in my head
As much as I loved this show, I think we needed maybe three more action sequences translated:
The upside-down trap, because it's fun.
The millhouse siege with David, because it builds a little bit of trust between he and Ellie before we learn he's a monster.
The final tunnel before they reach the Fireflies, because we get one last zombie sequence, it pays off Ellie not being able to swim, and it adds an extra level of panic to meeting the Fireflies since it mirrors the scene with Sarah and Joel comes back to consciousness already afraid for Ellie's life.
I think if we'd had those three sequences it would have elevated the show from Very Very Good to God Tier.
It's afraid of setpieces because setpieces aren't "prestige" enough. I don't know why they even show the big dumb lumbering zombie if they're afraid to do anything interesting
@@futurestoryteller That's not true at all. Game of Thrones has tonnes of setpieces.
@@hollandscottthomas And look what they have to show for it.
Despite the casting I don't think Last of Us wants to be Game of Thrones, I'm pretty sure Last of Us wants to be Sopranos - or maybe The Wire.
The David parts were such a let down. From the beginning, we know he's f****** creepy. Even if you haven't played the game and then you see him interact with Ellie and immediately it's like "oh, he's a pedophile"
@@futurestoryteller the last of us is a western that wants to pretend it's a travel show
As someone who didn't play the games and therefore wasn't familiar with the story or the ending, I didn't get the same sense that the finale was rushed. Maybe the jump from the emotional beginning to being pushed straight to the climatic ending could make you feel that way but every scene in the hospital was just so gripping that it never occurred to me how quick the episode was.
Overall, I now see why the game was such a phenomenon, really an amazing story and a brilliant 9 episodes.
I never played the game but I did watch a walkthrough without commentary. IMHO, It's better.
I had a similar experience. I had an idea of what happened, but even so, I found the final episode devastating. Perhaps the most upsetting in the whole series.
@@ThisFinalHandle I mean yeah, adaptations rarely if ever outpace the original, but the show is still pretty fantastic.
Saying that as a very big fan of the game and Naughty Dog in general.
I feel like the end of the game is very dark but climatic sequence. While I would’ve liked to have seen that in the finale, I do think the point of the show is that Joel is almost not really all that conscious of his actions. His adrenaline, fear, and desperation took control of wheel and took over his conscience. Kind of eerily similar to the zombies in the show.
I have to say that I feel that Joel’s choice is only based on love at the surface. My feeling is that Joel, beyond love, does it selfishly because he understands that he won’t survive going through that kind of loss again. And his kinda positive attitude during the hike is as much to mask his intention for his own sake as for Ellie’s.
Anyway thanx as always for all your great content.
you are a virgin right?
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I think what happens to Bill & Frank definitely isn't filler because it actually adds to the ending of the show.
On the one side you've Ellie remembering Riley, Tess & Sam and how curing the virus could've saved people like them. On the other you've Joel who remembers Henry, Bill & Joel's own experiences with loss & suicide. They lost their "purpose", and they saw no future without purpose. If Ellie doesn't make it out of the hospital alive, neither does Joel IMO. Regardless of if the cure works.
There's exactly as many personal experiences to justify saving Ellie as there is to use her to find the cure. And if you stick to the game, keep Bill alive & keep Frank infected, that balance doesn't exist.
Never thought of it like that, but I love it and am gonna remember this
Did you know that in the original game's early betas, Naughty Dog wanted to keep a T for Teen rating, so the zombies had blue blood. This led to one of the early working titles being called Blue Harvest.
No, it wasn't. Blue Harvest was a working title for Star Wars.
@@MrVexedviper Somebody had a funny-boneectomy
@MyBum Studios Oh, that was a joke. OK, the thing is, I'm used to jokes being funny.
@@MrVexedviper i don’t think you know what a joke is. Or what this youtube channel is.
@Shardul Niraula I'm fully aware of what a joke is. Go look in a mirror and you'll see the world's biggest one.
I was hoping for a Mephisto cameo.
Yeah, and I think Kevin Feige really messed up by not putting more references to the other films/shows into The Last Of Us. Like, it barely feels like it belongs in the MCU.
Rumour is that cameo is coming in Succession Season 4 but don't hold me to that.
The guy from nambla?
@@e.d.5766 I think Mephisto showed up in the second post-credits scene
Classic
Part 2 would split very nicely into two parts; Season 2 with Ellie up to that climax in the theatre, and Season 3 with Abby up to the beach shore fight.
I was too distracted by the magic of your moving giraffe that I had to listen to this probably 2.576 more times. Well played you guys, well played
I think those are properly referred to as cinemagiraphs 🌈💫The More You Know🌈💫
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinemagraph
I thought I was tripping when I saw the giraffe move
Thank god for this comment, I thought I was having an acid flashback
Thought I was alone seeing things
Very excited after that post-credits scene where Black Adam shows up and asks Joel and Ellie to join his team.
maso's joke about the surgeon's audio log is pretty funny considering that's exactly how ellie finds out about joel's decision in the flashback in part II lol
I had heard somewhere that there was originally gonna be a lot more changes to the story and the overall worldbuilding so that they could expand on different parts of the lore and exactly figure out how the fungus works. Like for example originally they were going to change the look of the fungus to a bit more vibrant and to have a sort of biolumenescent blue glow to them so that in shots that took place in the darkness they could rely on the glow of the fungus and not just flashlights. Because its been 20 years are batteries really going to still be funtioning when every battery has gone bad at this point. And in another episode they were going to have Joel capture by a cult that worshiped the fungus and treated it like some sort of Lovcraftian god creature. And these cultists would wear the fungus and keep "chosen ones" (ie. infected) locked in fighting pits where their superior abilities would be tested, and Joel would be put into one of the pits as a sacrifice. The cultists would also propagate and grow the fungus in underground farms that spread for miles. And before the show was even announced this of course lead to the show having the working title of "Blue Harvest". Which for those of you who dont know was the original working title of Star Wars
God damn you this one actually got me
I could’ve used 1 more scene of surviving clickers. Nothing crazy. Other than that I feel this show was perfect! And I did appreciate that they didn’t feel the need to amp up the gore and violence since this is HBO and all. I don’t need that when it’s a story this well written and realized.
it's the death of tv and this dude loves it
LOVED it.. just wish that they gave the first game two seasons as well. Would have enjoyed more additions to the world like the cold opens of eps 1, 2, 6 and 9 as well as the additional background on Sarah, Bill & Frank, Marlene, etc.
I’d have liked to have seen Joel ferry Ellie across a river or body of water on something (I know she said she couldn’t swim in the hotel lobby with inches of water). The time change to 2003-2023 was a good idea, but it also means that Pearl Jam’s “Future Days” can no longer be the pivotal song that Joel sings for Ellie and that she learns and then can no longer play by the end of the second game. Was hopeful to see Joel get caught in a snare and hung upside down, and also hit someone with a brick and throw a bottle for distraction or make a Molotov, but they weren’t necessary.
Ultimately if I had any real criticism of the show, it’s that they really reduced the amount of infected across the total runtime. It didn’t need to be a Walking Dead situation with an infected person every episode, but for example they made Sam a deaf character in a world where clickers “hear” via echolocation and that would have been an interesting contrast to have seen more of. I thought it was well cast and acted, and I’m glad that Gustavo Santaolalla did the music for it (I hope they also bring on Mac Quayle for S2 as he did the combat music for the second game with all the heavy synths, and he did such a great job on Mr. Robot).
God help whoever gets cast as Abby. I hope the internet is kind and understands that she is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and can separate their feelings for another FICTIONAL CHARACTER and not take it out on a real person that’s just trying to entertain us.
I'm hoping that they'll just have Joel sing something off of Riot Act like Thumbing My Way. Though we did already get All or None...
this show was the worst. walking dead was bad. imagine a walking dead with a weaker story and no zombies. well now we dont have to and you love it
As a massive fan of the game, I definitely enjoyed it but I think my game knowledge hurt my experience at some points cause I was constantly comparing the two. In that way, I envy people who can watch this with no knowledge of the game. I still prefer the game, since it’s more subtle and fleshed out than the show, but I’m satisfied with how this turned out and am looking forward to how they handle season 2
Completely agree. However, I don’t think people who have watched the show first, can now go back and play the game. And seeing the changes they’ve made to make it a great show was very enjoyable. So I do believe playing the game first is better. 😊
I can’t wait to see how they handle the adaptation of the last of us part 2. That game has such spotty writing, translating it to a completely different type media is going to be a fascinating watch whether it’s good or bad. Bella Ramsey is also going to have to carry the show from this point forward, even if Pedro pascal is still in flashbacks going forward, it’s all Ellie’s story from this moment onward.
@@sergiomendoza4850 I think this might have been a big motivation of creating the show, because of how polarizing part 2 was as a game. I imagine it will be similar to how game of thrones was, where they jump from different perspectives and have them converge later. I hope they bring to life some of the characters we only saw in notes, such as the archer and his daughter. Part 2 can easily become 4 seasons. Looking forward to it!
@@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus it won’t be that long tho that’s way too much. I mean I want them to add more to the world for sure but I really want to see them just make the last of part 2 better than it is now. Like the core of that story, I want to see it told in a better way than the game could offer. I think the tv format will allow it to be better but I think it really depends on how they tackle it. Also if they cut things like the rat king that’s gonna be really upsetting, or like the seraphites, if they’re just all super nice and the clear good guys compared to the WLF I’m gonna be kinda dissatisfied.
I don't even think it's about comparing it necessarily. I think they just dropped the ball on the show, and I'm glad so many people can enjoy it, but it's just not the last of us. It has all the hallmarks of the last of us and a lot of the set pieces of the last of us, but it has none of the charm, themes or really anything that makes it feel like the last of us.
I think it's important to take into account that humanity is not so humane in the show. People have shown their worst sides and that is important in making the decision whether to cure it or leave it to it's own devices. The show also shows that good people can survive and thrive.
I think it's wrong to look at Joel as a bad guy, because the entire world, every single character, will scratch claw and kill to protect themselves, and their closest loved ones. And thats why the series is genius, everything is painted in a thick morally gray paint, no one can say for certain how they'd react in this situation and there's really little room to judge any characters and how they act.
Yeah, it's a cruel world.
And as Tess said, "We're not good people."
I do think Joel's a monster, but not a bad guy, if that makes any sense.
No meme- when the sound design got all muted and Joel started his rampage - it was just the PERFECT way to convey the message of losing control and just fighting instead of flight. Just so intense
I think the worst part about the change in setting (timewise) is that they exist in a world without the song future days. It was the perfect song for part ii and any song they try to replace it with has a tall order to fill.
Ive spent 10 years thinking Joel made the wrong choice at the end. He doesn't even save Ellie for Ellie, it's for him.
But I have a dog now and I'd kill millions to keep her in my life.
That’s the interesting thing about Joel. Was he wrong in the macro sense? Of course he was. But from his individual perspective of the world, how the hell would he be capable of making any other decision?
Especially where I was grateful the show maintains how Marlene literally didn't even give Ellie a choice before shoving her to a doctor for surgery, literally breaking her promise to her mother to protect her. Joel was literally forced to make a choice and a violent one at that. This was the payoff of understanding Joel's pain, anger, and trauma in the previous episodes. Despite being more of a character driven drama, this was one of the best adaptations to date for video games.
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I mean, that's what's amazing about the scene between Joel and Marlene. There are the two people who probably love Ellie the most in the world, and neither of them gave her agency in that decision.
Just watching the show, as soon as he figured out what they were gonna do to Ellie, I immediately wanted him to kill everyone and rescue her.
(I'm not a parent)
Joel might have had selfish reasons but he absolutely made the right choice. In what world does medicine work the way the fireflies think it does?
your barely animated background images on these audio only episodes are always the best to eventually notice like ten minutes in. I just like it
The thing about the game is that Ellie was knocked out from drowning and had ZERO say in the decision.
In the show they got flashbanged and we don’t know if it’s what she wanted or not. Which I guess that could bring up the same conversation of “was it Joel’s right to make that decision for her”
My favorite part was when Joel said: " and i guess you'll become the Last of Us"
And then Ellie looked at the camera and said "We'll be the last of us."
And then Joel said “oooh you naughty dog you!”
I didn't miss the action. They sprinkled in just enough and in just the right places to keep the world feeling dangerous and the peril for our characters real. Besides, I have a feeling that will be amped up quite a bit for the following seasons, both in terms of threats from other humans and the threat posed by infected (Abby in the hospital basement immediately springs to mind).
I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they adapt it. I love Part 2 - that game hit me right in my core. It was a difficult story to digest at times but one I came out of more hopeful than I could have imagined.
I'd have to disagree there. I've never felt like the world was dangerous at all. Everyone could walk to any place and cross any bridge, tunnel, building, etc without encountering ONE infected or bandit for the vast majority of the show.
I know in a game, action is more important but those action scenes built characters, drama, tension and suspense.
For example without David and Ellie fighting infected together, she never even starts to kind of trust him in the show, so that entire plot gets severely watered down.
Same goes for David calling Joel a "crazy old man" for killing ONE guy who attacked him first, ALONE, with a baseball bat while Joel was with Ellie and they had guns. That plot in the game makes sense because David sent several armed dudes and only a few came back telling stories of a man who slaughtered the rest. It makes zero sense if you sent 4 and 3 came back telling the story of one of them attacking 2 armed people with a bat and getting killed. In what world would that make Joel a crazy man that gets their entire town riled up against him desperate for revenge? Makes zero sense.
You think that world feels dangerous???? The only dangerous thing in that show was the introduction of stepping on spores makes infected come for you.
@@92brunod right??? I feel like for a show whose theme is what violence does to a person in their relationships. We have not seen that violence affect their relationship at all. They really just kind of shove that into the last episode and expected you to treat it like it was throughout the series
@@92brunod like the first time Ellie experiences violence and the taking of a life with Joel at the truck ambush and the next she's just like cool with a gun and shooting things. All be it not great at it until a little later. It didn't feel like any of these characters grew. That is what really irks me about this show. None of the characters grew except for one day. Joel decided that he liked Ellie. We don't see him grow to love her like a surrogate Sarah He just likes her one day because she tells bad jokes.
The other reason for changing infection from the spores, according to Druckman, was the many times he was told that if that was the vector, everyone would already be infected.
I have yet to see a post-apocalyptic show get the gasoline thing right. I mean they could have said everything runs on biodiesel - which is reasonably easy to synthesize in small batches - but I guess that would be too obscure.
I had never played the games, but after each episode, I watched the cinematics from that part of the game. I was really impressed at how true they were to the original story. This is how all comic and video game adaptations should be done.
My argument has been that while it is true to the cutscenes, it's not entirely true to the spirit of the game. It's weird to play a game and think "this is just like a movie" and then watch the show of it and think "this is really nothing like the game"
The level of danger, dread, and suspense that you feel while playing, is cut out so we can watch Joel and Ellie speaking to some polite, elderly Native people, or explain the unnecessary backstory of the cordyceps fungal outbreak. Something that Joel will get a single line of exposition about later anyway, which we also didn't need. I don't know where Mazin got the idea that "artsy storytelling" means overexplaining things, but he clearly does have that idea.
The show wastes a lot of time. In my opinion.
@@futurestoryteller I think what you're blaming Craig Mazin for is actually Neil Druckman's fault. Druckerman is the one that decided he wanted to "show more of the world of the last of us". The native couple was a good addition, That was fun, made sense, and was inconsequential. I think it was also his idea to add so much of the unnecessary backstory like all the flour references in the first episode, The flashbacks 🤢, It's like they didn't know what they want to do with it so they just did everything and scenes from the game suffered for it
@@futurestoryteller I would have way preferred exposition from Joel about How things went down and what He's been told about the fall of the humanity, giving us that mystery but still an understanding that most people try to get what happened. Not to give JJ Abrams any credit but when you make an apocalypse story the mystery box is not only the most interesting thing, but it is also what ties you to the character who is also figuring out what happened. The whole thing seems like a wasted opportunity, especially with the casting. The last of us wanted to be the walking dead meets a western so much that it just turned into the walking dead TV show.
@@Eyecyou64 I don't know if it's worth going into detail because I agree with surprisingly little of what you said, lol
For example, I don't think Last of Us is a western, that would've been a better show, more in keeping with the game.
@@futurestoryteller I mean, I just plain disagree, I think those "unneccessary cordyceps backstory" scenes are exactly what set a tone of danger and dread for the show for a general viewer, from the panel of scientists explaining how cordyceps could spread, to the Indonesian scientist just saying "bomb the city, there's no other way to fix this." The primary purpose of those scenes wasn't to explain the cordyceps, it was to set the tone, and "explaining the cordyceps" was just a good excuse to do that.
I _do_ think the sense of danger and dread is dampened in the form of a tv show, since you're passively watching it happen instead of being an active participant in the experience, but that's just the nature of a show vs. a game, there isn't really an effective way to work around that.
Absolutely agree with your comment about the masks. It would be madness to cast Pedro Pascal in a series where his face was completely covered for pretty much the whole time.
Shows and movies like this is essentially what the Joker from The Dark Knight is taking about. “When the chips are down, these civilized people, they’ll eat each other.” “I’m not a monster. I’m just ahead of the curve.”
If I were to rewrite the ninth episode, I'd have the climax of the episode be Ellie and Joel finding the giraffes. The arc of the episode would be Joel and Ellie making their way through an infected SLC but instead of Joel not opening up to her, she's not opening up to him. And as they traverse, Joel gets increasingly worried that she'll never be the same again but then she sees the giraffes and hope is reignited. Afterwards they tell each other they love each other but not really, like in the show (that scene is phenomenal). Then, with the hospital in sight, they have a similar scene to the game where Ellie is knocked out and then Joel is set upon by Fireflies. The end.
THEN you have a tenth episode that can serve as a very full, and not rushed finale. It just seemed like they were trying to do too much in 45 minutes
My biggest complaints with the show are 1. the pacing was uneven, and pretty lackluster in some areas (especially the ending) and 2. there should have been just _one_ more zombies episode, maybe between Jackson and Salt Lake somehow, which would have also served to strengthen Joel and Ellie's relationship a little more.
But those complaints are minor when considering that the writing, acting, and atmosphere are all fantastic.
I thought i was going crazy when I saw the giraffe moving in the background.. lol
I was thinking about this after the last episode. I think the change from spores to tendrils was purely a budgetary and practical decision. There's nothing harder in cgi to make than smoke and particulates in the air so I think they understood that limitation really early on and made the adjustment to allow for more allocation of resources elsewhere
I mean the show creators literally said it was so the actors didn't have to wear stupid gas masks and you could actually see their faces. But it is somewhat budgetary, if they're paying for Pedro Pascal's face, we better see his damn face.
I think the additional content makes Joel's decision less impactful. Because Marlene's decision is less meaningful. Knowing how to get the cure is much different from knowing what the cure is.
It makes you makes you question the entire ending, but not in the right way.
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Honestly I think with the cliffhanger we are left with in Part I and Season 1, Season 2 should be about the flashbacks with Joel, and Ellie’s learning of the truth. Her relationship blossoming with Dina/Jackson’s people and how it operates. Ending with Joel’s death. And then a season 3 with everything that happens in Seattle going into Santa Barbara
YES! I wanted to type a comment to this effect.
They've already said Part II will be split into multiple seasons. It only makes sense to tackle the story in "chronological" order, developing all the characters and conflicts throughout season 2, making season 3 the explosive revenge-focused final chapter (for now). I think most of the (understandable) issues people have with Part II might be fixed with this treatment. Personally, the biggest problem I had with that game was pacing. In a tv show version, they don't need to adhere to that structure, they can tell the story in whaterver order it's best.
It goes without saying that this would also allow for Bella Ramsey to grow into her Part II counterpart. I know she's already 19 or something, but she can do the flashback stuff while still looking like Part I Ellie and then they can do the time jump.
That's not bad! I really don't think the way part 2 tells it's story will translate well. If they try and tell Ellie and Abby's story plus both their flashbacks it might be a bit all over the place.
The Last of Us Season 2:
- Will be different than the games
- Bella Ramsey will return as Ellie
- Will have much more infected
- Will cover The Last of Us Part 2 story
- Won’t cover the whole second game
- Filming could start later this year
- New kinds of infected are coming
- Will expand upon Tendrils system with infected
- Could see the inclusion of Spores
- Abby and Ellie changing perspectives
- Side character stories just like Bill and Frank ie (WLF, Seraphites, Jackson, etc)
- Release date will likely be around 2024-2025
- Time skip
- Joel and Ellie’s relationship post s1 ending will be heavily explored
- Ellie’s violent path
No, I think so. ABBY SMASH is coming in season 2
Then season 2 wouldn't have an inciting incident or throughline, it'd be just a montage of random events over the course of years. AND it would leave the vast majority of TLOU2 for season 3, which is besides the whole point of splitting them into 2 seasons.
Joel has to die early to get the story moving.
I would have preferred a 12-13 episode season with a little more time to spend with the more memorable side characters like Bill or Tess, and given us more time to really invest in Joel and Ellie’s relationship, but at the end of the day, they did a pretty good job and I respect that.
If you removed the adapted from a Computer Game tag, it would be a top 10 show. The fact it’s based on a game just shows how Amazing the games are. Great show enjoyed all episodes!
I think that Ellie should have been consulted and she should have been the one to make the decision because ultimately there is no guarantee for a cure. All of the deception around the situation definitely makes me lean more towards Joel's side.
I thought the last episode was well paced and potent. I mean, I wanted it to go on longer, because I didn't want it to be over, but I found the compressed action really powerful, and I felt sick at the end. Thanks for the review, it was good to go through it again with you guys.
Can't believe abby is going to be played by Danny devito
The third option you mentioned doesn't exist, that Joel should wake up Ellie and get her consent. To even get to a position where he could do that Joel had to kill his way through dozens of Fireflies. There is no peaceful compromise after that, with the Fireflies or with Ellie who would have been furious that Joel didn't let them make a cure. His only real options were to listen to Marleen and leave, or take Ellie by force.
9:23 I watched the first 8 episodes leading up to the finale, it took me 2 days. I couldn't watch them all in a single day. After episode 5, I had to lay down 😭🤣 also I've never played the games, so I didn't know what was going to happen. This show was taxing on my soul 💀🤣
I never played either of the games and I thought the last episode was well paced. Although I was a little baffled that the show ended with just a small conversation between Joel and Ellie, I had to search up the games ending to see if it was the same there (but it was a really good ending, really curious to see how Joel lying will effect Ellie)
It was surprisingly understated, but it also ended up being really powerful for me. The simplicity of her reply, but my suspicion that something huge just broke there.
Ok I hear the "as a videogame player I would assess the situation" with the theater scene but as someone who has mental health struggles and you're in panic mode - it's a little far-fetched to begin to assess anything when you're thinking "I need this and my lifeline of a daughter is being ripped away from me AGAIN, AGAIN - that's not happening"
I think Pedro nailed the performance of urgency and the response (dissociate entirely and make selfish, rash decisions) he had for the moment, arguably more compelling than Troy's purely for the fact we weren't controlling the character and is likely what he'd have done.
It would be very difficult (or impossible) to argue anything from the show was more compelling than the game.
@@fullmetalb5241 wrong, there are a few instances where the show elevates the source material in only the way a live action show can
@@blinkachu5275 Yeah, episode 3 and the Sam and Henry plot for sure. That's it, though.
It's a joke. Every time they review something like this they say something like "I would simply defeat the villain"
It was off to a great start in enhancing and elevating the material in the first half, but as soon as we got to Jackson, I did question some of the changes made in getting to the finish line of the story. Climaxing to being a bit underwhelmed with how they handled the iconic Ellie murdering David and the Hospital conflict. The rush criticism makes sense in that regard, and I felt the performances were stronger and hit harder in those moments in the game than they did in the show.
21:24 James hits Maso with a philosophical question that almost breaks the daily planet
Last episode should have been two much longer episodes and also blue harvest
well said
Why stop there!? 3! 5! 8!
If you actually watch gameplay (here on UA-cam) it only takes an hour to get through the entire chapter that the final episode covers.
If you remove all the uneccesary stuff that happens in the tunnel, 40 minutes is about right.
@@N313GrayFox precisely. very little happens on the way to the hospital story-wise other than giraffe scene
@@N313GrayFox then they should have thought of something better for the adaptation. This was lamely done. A weak ending to a generally decent work.
When are we getting a Mr Sunday Movies video game
Here's a question... if you're going to be monster enought to kill a kid to save humanity, why not just have another pregnant mom get bit again? DLC?
The Fireflies might... IF they knew that's why Ellie was immune. But as far they know, Ellie was born before the attack (that's what her mother told them).
@@GrimJackal Marlene was smart enough to put together that Anna was lying, I think it's mostly that how do you even test that and how do you get the majority of your people to agree with it?
One person dying (that absolutely would've wanted to die for the cause as stated multiple times in Part II) is one thing. Doing essentially trial and error on pregnant women, not knowing it would work, killing multiple women and babies is something a lot harder to convince your people
That’s why I felt they shouldn’t have changed that. They showed people getting random scans in the Boston camp. Are we to believe she was never scanned?
ill say arcane is better but not by much , its quite amazing that in the past 2 years we get 2 amazing adaptions
There is also cyberpunk edgerunners
The feeling of panic was missing from the hospital scene. I really missed that final scene where you rush from surgery to the elevator with Ellie in your arms and Joel is saying stuff like “It’s ok, baby girl.”
Instead he just grabs her and walks straight to the elevator. Big miss in my opinion.
Lots of little moments like that missed in the show. Another is Ellie’s leading Joel to safety after he was impaled. In the game it was powerful and visceral, and really gave Ellie a moment to shine when she leads Joel to safety, but in the show it was just a quick moment that they moved on from without really feeling it.
In the game theyre still being shot at. In the shot its silent, suggesting Joel killed everyone on the hospital which is infinitely more impactful and interesting
@@ryancoughlan7205, yes. That’s why I said “rush from surgery to the elevator” and “feeling of panic”.
I disagree having it silent was more impactful. To each their own.
I mean the panic and "It's ok, baby girl" is used in the final shot of episode 8 after Ellie was attacked and freaking out.
@@GoddoDoggo, those are two different scenes bro.
It's weird they reference the Fonz in a video about an IP related to Ashley Johnson. She also plays Pike Trickfoot in The Legend of Vox Machina who's great great great-grandfather is played by the one and only Henry Winkler.
I really really hope they had the foresight to film the flashback sequences from part 2 already, just in case they need them. Before Bella grows up too much for it to be believable. The Birthday scene specifically.
I think one video game adaptation that people often ignore or don't even know about is, Suicide Squad, Assault on Arkham. That is actually based on the Arkham games universe. This is how I think video game adaptations should be handled. Since they are so cinematic its like its own movie already. Rather than retelling the story of the game they should expand to the untold stories of the other characters.
Though I haven't played the last of us, this seems kind of like what they did. They told the main story of the game, but also expanded on Ellie's origin, Joel's daughter's death, and Bill and Frank's life together.
This is also what I would like to see for the Avatar, the Last Airbender adaptation. Rather than tell a story we've already seen done perfectly, I would like to see a continuation of the story after the end of the animated series. Theu can give hints to the previous history through flashbacks but follow the story lines about Zuko looking for his mother, Toph starting a school etc.
Did you guys notice that Laura Bailey was one of the nurses in the room with the doctor operating on Ellie? META!!!!!!!!!!
James is so old he probably remembers a time before video games
If anything I think having less zombies was more impactful because your first encounter with the clickers is pretty intense and they’re a tricky enemy but in the show there’s only one, and they almost die just trying to kill that one, same with the bloater later, it just feels like a tank enemy in the game but in the show it gets to rip people apart
Earing Ashley Johnson and Troy _fucking_ Baker being referred to as "the guys who did the game motion cap thing" is honestly triggering me and Im ashamed of it...
“Im a chef, I do work with mushrooms so I was the most qualified” had me ROLLING 😂😂😂
Joel did the big murder in montage. Those firefly’s were weaaak.
One of my favorite things about game to TV translation is Joel acquiring a different gun at different points throughout the story, like in the game
To answer James's question about the final episode's length and pacing: I felt like the flashback to Ellie's birth was good, I felt like Joel's homicidal rampage was good, but then... it seemed to end too abruptly. I think they could have spent more time with the fallout of that. Maybe some time in the town interacting with Joel's brother. Some kind of... afterward or something. It was the final episode, after all. (BTW: I didn't play the game, and also I think this is one of the best seasons of TV I've ever seen, 10/10.)
Pokémon always gets left out of the ‘best video game adaptation’ conversation.
I've never played the game before, and I didn't feel the ending was rushed or anything. I think just like every other episode, each minute was maximized, and none were wasted. To me, all the episodes were as long as they needed to be, I also do understand Joel's decision. He does genuinely love her, and I think most people wouldn't sacrifice a loved one even to potentially save the rest of humanity, there is no guarantee it will work. That alone for most people would be enough reasoning to save their loved one, most the people who say they would sacrifice their loved one realistically wouldn't, it's easier to say you would in a comment vs being faced with the decision for real.
Also, on a side note I think it was epic seeing Joel become Joel Wick in order to save Ellie and taking 0 damage
I loved both games in its entirety and still go back to them. The characters, soundtrack, storyline, and overall feeling it gave me to this day has never been topped.
The series was great also in the similarities to the game and the differences between characters, backstory, and the stand-alone episodes.
However, I agree completely that the last episode should have had more depth in areas. In saying that
I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes now and what they bring.
Love the channel.
Peace
The thing about the spores in the game is that as a game mechanic it's great, but in real life you'd just have everyone wearing masks all the time because you can't actually see microorganisms in the air, like not once in the pandemic did I see yellow air around the grocery store (I'm in Texas so there was never really a lockdown)
Spore plumes are not microscopic like a virus. When they show up in the game it's in enclosed spaces with shrooms growing all over the place.
Your red states really are an absolute mess over there
@@mantistoboggan5171 an absolute shit show🥲
@@ryanguillen6081 I do feel bad for the sane ones of you over there.
Just seen a report of trump saying in iowa that he's the only person who can stop ww3. That conman can't run on anything truthful or policy based, he always resorts to hyperbolic lies.
Soon as I saw the giraffe moving I thought it would be another exemplary edit by everyone's favorite Canadian; Ben. Well, I was wrong folks it's another still-image review with slight effects to fool us at first. Regardless, well done mates 👏
I remember when I first watched an edited playthrough of this game and we got to the end, I felt like I was lost in a grey fog. I understood Joel's actions, but having gone through its story from start to finish, the idea that all the anguish and harm they had to fight through to get to the journey's end only to not go through with an (albeit gut wrenching) decision to try and remove everything that made that journey so dangerous in the first place left me feeling empty and confused on what morality really is (which I felt was the whole point of the game's story and was the ultimate goal of those decisions, you're not meant to be left cheering with either outcome).
However, whether it was because it's nine years later or because of certain changes in the story that more clearly reflect Joel's and Ellie's relationship (such as Bill and Frank's story being made more personal, Joel telling Ellie about him trying to end things the day after Sarah died, or by making Henry more likable over his VG counterpart) I definitely found myself siding with Joel way more this time round. Having experienced the story twice now is obviously a huge factor, but an odd conclusion I have come to is that yes, the last episode probably should've been longer, but not in order to spend more time with Joel and Ellie or stories create empathy towards Joel's actions, but instead to have spent more time with Marlene and/or others and show why it was so important to find a cure to the infection.
In short, I feel the game did a better job at making Joel's decision feel both good and bad. The show ended up leaning far more towards "justified" without making it seem selfish, but they achieved it by (subtly) _improving_ Joel and Ellie's story at the expense of the world's story, but that is where season two comes in, I'm sure.
Isn’t there like 7 years between the end of one and when Joel gets killed? Ellie’s 14 in 1 and I think 21 in 2. There’s a whole series in there where they can do whatever they want and don’t even have to touch the second game if they don’t want to.🤷🏻♂️
The more important moral question,
Shouldn't wolverine have metal teeth?
(Rodney)
I 100% agree with James that there should have been more of Joel machine gunning people at the end.
Strong agree on the second game- It will work much much better as a TV series. I do still think there's a bit of a problem with the story being pretty close to torture porn storyline wise, but it will at least feel much more thematically consistent being told in a medium more suited for it.
The last episode was perfect as someone who hasn't played the game. The moment the news was brought to joel that they were killing ellie I thought "He's going to kill every person in this hospital if he has too"
I haven’t played the game but my ideal ending would’ve been a flashback to Ellie being told that she’s about to save humanity and she chooses to sacrifice herself for the greater good when she asks “what happened” (or whatever she says) think it would’ve created more to chew on and a lot more tension
Hot Action Cop was so good!! 😂 An acoustic version sounds hilarious
Choose between an everyone you don't know or the only person you care about. Seems like an easy choice. Also asking or not asking Ellie doesn't really make sense to me; sure you might be removing her agency as a person, but her decision may also remove her from living, which actually takes away her agency anyway believe it or not.
I thought I was trippin looking at that giraffe...the movements were so subtle at the start
"M'Lord, shall I regale thee a tune?"
"Thoust are best to distain from the playing of trasch"
3:00
I do wish they had a couple more episodes as the pacing for the second half of the season was very fast but i still thought it was a great show overall.
There's no way you, can, stop, the School of Rock YYYYEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I have exorcised most of my thoughts about this series (and finale) on other UA-cam channels, so I just want to say that I appreciated the thoughts and opinions of my favourite Aussie duo, but I wasn't paying attention to the video (the audio yes, but not the video) the whole time so I briefly got startled when the giraffe moved its head.
People keep calling it a 'gas grenade' but it was a 'concussion grenade'. I don't know why that bugs me, but it does.
Now I want season 2 to begin with Joel singing Fever for the Flava to Ellie and have that be first song she learns to play on guitar
I haven’t heard mention of Hot Action Cop since I was in high school. That’s awesome lol
Not only the petroleum, but there are dozens of cars built much later than the 2003 Apocalypse timeframe used as props. TOTAL IMMERSION KILLER.
Never played the game. Did feel a bit rushed, but I was more disappointed at how obvious the last episode was. It was fine, but it played out exactly like I thought
if only one of the cassettes in the car between episodes 3 and 4 were Hot Action Cop’s Fever for the Flava