Me and my dad watched this and we had a whole conversation about the ending. He told me that joel was stupid and he should’ve put humanity first over ellie. I asked him if he would let me die too if we were in the same situation and he said “no thats different of course i would save you”. He literally contradicted himself 😂
@@alexwalters35 I would be willing to bet that you don't have a child. Because a parent wouldn't even write that sentence out. I'm not a parent, and I don't necessarily want kids even. But I know you wouldn't do it, and you only say it now because you're not a parent.
@Jay Hopkins Just because you're too weak to make the right decision doesn't mean other people are like you. I would do the same, 1 life for many lives is the right choice. Thanos was right - "The hardest choices require the strongest wills".
@@alexwalters35 U wouldn't if u had a true connection to your child. Only way ur allowing it to happen is if ur child is not tricked like ellie was and ur child told u they wanted to die .
Anyone else smile when Marlene lowered her gun? Very low iq. Pedro showed a pattern just seconds/minutes earlier of murdering everyone trying to stop him.
If I were the agent for the actress who ends up playing Abby, I would tell her: Listen here, you're going to want to diconnect from all of your social media accounts for the next 3 months. Just don't use it all for 3 months until after the show is done , because you are about to get an avalanche of hate from the internet.
My biggest issue is we went through 9 episodes and didn't get to see Joel kill anyone with a brick! The whole time I was looking forward to some bricking but there weren't any bricks laying around at all. I always made sure to have a brick on hand in the game. I think there were a bunch of spots that it could've been done but they never actually orchestrated it. Hopefully they include some bricks or bottles in season 2.
My coworkers that haven't played the game were just like "oh that's it? Is there more?" I think due to its light speed pace the impact of the ending is softened quite a bit
Yeah the games ending has way more weight you spend about 5 more hours of in game time with the characters the show is mostly the games cut scenes which is like less than half of the game
Are we not going to talk about how the fireflies straight up flashbang ellie and Joel? You could see that this pair, more than likely father/daughter to the onlooker, are walking while talking about bad puns. They outnumber and out gun them. They could have cautiously said "who are you, and what are you doing here?!" Instead they just toss a flash bang at the man and little girl, and knock the man unconscious.
@@corvoseesthevoid2373 Nobody is saying about people in Jackson, we are talking about how the fireflies are assholes. That "dog" was just a bluff, and also not in the game. But yeah we are talking about the series.
@@tonertonki I was just trying to explain how everyone in that world probably would end up flash banging a random group of people, even if they have children. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt the bluff their attitude and not the dog's ability to tell if someone's infected? The dogs in the show CAN tell when someone's infected.
I know people is going to disagree with and it's fine, but overall this exprience was bit narrow and too much parts were skipped. And no it's not wisely skip to cutscenes as some HBO favoured media suggests. Phil background It wasn't surprising that the relationship, which was practically a side note in the game, was stretched into an episode-long gay scene :D Because of this gay scene, Goldstone and the school were skipped entirely, which would have been perhaps a little more relevant locations for the horror series and clickers. Joel didn't fall into an iron spike, but he was stabbed instead, which could have been done much better with modern stunts and little cgi. Joel didn't fall into the elevator shaft, and in practice, the whole solo roaming and the potential it gives against the infected were completely skipped with this method. David relationship didn't give the same vibes because they skipped entirely the zombie fight. It' would have been interesting to see because this would have been given a little symbol and hint Ellie Survival instincts and fighting skills. Entire underground train tunnel segment and figting against infected were skipped before hospital scene. Not get this wrong though, series had lot of potential fighting against infected as we saw with the huge horde but it was still little. Hopefully in Last of us Part 2 this gap can be filled.
The thing is, Marlene was saying the doctor "thinks" it "could" work... There were no guarantees that her death would be the result that they were hoping for anyway. That was the convincer instead of saying the last 11 failed.
Mentioning the last 11 failed would have made Joels decision a lot more rational. Maybe the writers wanted us to think Joel’s decision is more gray so they missed that out
I think its a good thing they went that route anyways, considering how much they (slightly heavy-handedly) state Joel's intentions as a protector of Ellie in several of the past episodes in ways the game didn't. Adding mention of the previous failed operations would have been total overkill in terms of framing Joel as a hero for the choice he made, rather than the morally gray, ethically problematic decision it is intended to be.
Also fireflies getting the cure being a stretch, if they actually successfully managed to make a cure, what are the fuckin odds they won’t use it as a tool to gain power and use it for horrible reasons anyways…
I've been saying the entire time, we needed an episode that was a side tangent for Ellie and Joel to help galvanize their relationship and further their connection. I'm just saying the Duo needed more runtime together, that's all I'm saying.
@@benbro4074 Yup. In the game there were so many times when Joel would have to trust Ellie with his life, and that built up their relationship. But the only time it happens in the show is when he gets stabbed, and by then I still didn't feel their connection like I should have.
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I agree but not even a side episode, just a regular episode. They crossed country in a zombie outbreak in 4 episodes with minimal threats and most of their dialogue is them being passive aggressive and snarky to each other then in episode 8 Joel magically loves her like his own. It was too short. People will argue that it’s good enough but even what they put in had shortened dialogue.
After watching the show, it's very clear how important the gameplay was to the story. All the small talk and fighting to save eachother's lives really adds to the relationship between Joel and Ellie. The show doesn't have much of that, and when you make the story essentially all the cutscenes from the game I don't think I buy the father daughter dynamic as much. I think it's the curse of playing the game beforehand, because the show is amazing, but just not the game. I think the game makes it feel more earned on a personal level, because you are Joel and you keep Ellie safe throughout the game.
Here's the thing though, they sank a lot of time into the Bill and Frank episode and made their relationship feel very believable. Could they not have done a similar thing for Ellie and Joel? Like just some scenes of them working together and building trust with eachother. Feels like that's missing.
I mean I never played the games and I was completely sold on Ellie and Joel’s relationship. I watch a lot of reactors and a lot haven’t played the game either and they still loved their dynamic. I think if you played the game then maybe you’re conditioned to judge the portrayal a lot harsher
As someone who’s also played it, I feel a little differently. I was definitely sold on the relationship because I got emotional during their scenes. It just didn’t have the same depth as in the games because we don’t get to spend hours with them. And plus the last episodes were paced kind of fast so that didn’t help.
I watched the show with my parents who have not played the game, and they both think that it felt rushed by having episodes 3 and 7 be basically filler episodes that are also somehow longer than the more important episodes
@@langreeves-bg4qr That’s the thing that makes it seem off. They spend so much time on episode 3 to build connections with characters that has almost no impact on the main story and then rush through the things that are supposed to be the actual story.
You really showed these episodes to your parents😐 of course, in the country where I live, homosexuality is very opposed and if I had shown it to my parents, I think they would have rejected me
@@pxgaming3984 we watched the show together without knowing what would be in the episodes. They deviated so much from the game that episode 3 was unexpected. I feel like most people would have skipped 3 if they knew what it was beforehand simply because it was fucking boring
Here's my opinion on the ending. Ellie wasn't given a choice by the fireflies or Joel. One side wanted to sacrifice her for what they believed to be the greater good and the other didn't. Marlene assumed Ellie would've given her life but she didn't ask her. That shows there was still some doubt about whether or not Ellie would cooperate. I believe the fireflies DID know who Joel and Ellie were when they captured them and they made sure they knocked JOEL out to ensure he wouldn't interfere before they could begin the surgery. I also believe this is why Marlene was already in the room with him waiting for him to wake up so she could convince him they were doing the right thing and possibly stall for more time. Marlene could've easily explained the situation to Ellie AND Joel allowing Ellie to ACTUALLY make a choice, possibly convince Joel and say goodbye to him. The fireflies were being selfish and trying to force their agenda no matter what. Marlene forced Joel's hand in my opinion. She knew what type of man he was yet she chose to make an enemy out of him. I believe Joel had multiple reasons for saving Ellie as well. Most would say it was just selfishness but I disagree. Joel loved her and didn't want to lose another daughter. That part is clear but I also believe he saved her simply because her life meant more than anything to him. Her life meant more to him than potentially finding a cure that probably would've been fought over and unfairly distributed. Joel simply wanted Ellie to live. Not just for him but for herself. He wanted her to experience new things and see glimpses of the beauty that was seemingly lost in the old world. He wanted her to love and be loved by others. To live a full life without survivors guilt. Joel wanted Ellie to see that her life was worth much more than just being a test subject so he made his choice. I believe he lied to her to protect her from any guilt in hopes she would move on from it. Joel chose to shoulder that burden himself. He made his choice and he lived with it. For that I respect it.
I haven't played the video games, so I'm going into this story completely blind. Finishing the series really feels like someone tried to tell a 15 episode story in a cramped, less than 9 episode format where some of the episodes are actually cut to oblivion. It's a shame because this series is a 10/10 in cinematography and audio design but really misses the mark on pacing for me, and again, I'm not expecting to relive the game narrative like a lot of you guys are. Btw, Craig Mazin created what I believe is the best series in existence, Chernobyl, and did it in just 5 episodes, so this feeling just gets worse the more context I ad to it.
It sucks that the pacing is off because that’s one of the best things about the game version. So many moments were allowed to simmer. One of the game’s inspirations was No Country For Old Men and you could tell that in the way it told the story. I can’t say the same for the show version.
This legit need 1 more episode. The tunnel before the hospital need to be its own episode. Have it emphasize on the horror and suspense element and have a Bloater as a boss fight and then the hospital could've been the entire finale. Have the massacre be more brutal for those that think that Joel is a monster just so the debate has more fuel. I'm team Joel all the way but it would've been better to show how more brutal he can be.
I haven't seen this episode yet but how awesome would it be if Joel's rampage was shown from the fireflies perspective and he's just shredding through dudes, it's difficult to even see Joel through the muzzle flashes, explosions, and smoke like my favorite scene from TLOU2 of Tommy sniping.
Yea they already tried to paint Joel in a worse light than the game just with the finale episode. No one besides the Nurses tries to surrender to Joel in the game. In the show one guy laid down his gun and Joel kills him anyway. They also pushed the "Ellie wants to die to save the world" angle more so than the game did. Though I agree with Joe that both the game and the show feel like they've got very contrived reasons for having to kill Ellie to make a cure. (Like Joe brings up would her offspring be immune? At the very least test that prior to relying on a cure from killing the only known Immune person)
@@nokturnallex2160 I mean in the game, you’re literally mowing down droves of enemies like it’s nothing unless I’m remembering incorrectly. And while contrived reasons exist for killing Ellie, the fireflies were always depicted as being incompetent so it makes sense they’ll go to the most extreme measures for results
Small issue, but kinda bugged me more than I expected it to, in episode 2 they do the “I can’t swim” thing with Ellie, not that I wanted Joel to swim around getting 15 pallets in the show, but I really wanted to see something like the bridge with Henry and Sam, or the finale with the bus, Joel having to save Ellie because of something she told him early on, it would have been a great Chekhov’s gun, but it was never brought back, which just made me wonder, why even make it so Ellie can’t swim in the show? There was no point. The emotional connection at the end of the game where Ellie is drowning in the water as Joel is desperately trying to get to her, and then the scene of him trying to resuscitate her was great, and added a lot to showing Joel’s need for Ellie, not that they had to do the exact thing, but seeing Joel save Ellie in the water would have been amazing!
I agree, and it would have showed more of the bond between the two of them, Joel trying to save her life and resuscitate her; we could have seen the desperation in his eyes, the sadness as he thought that he was about to lose the only thing he had left in the show I didn't feel the connection as strongly as I did in the game there was some good parts, but if they added something like this I would have bought it
I never played the games, and was disappointed at the lack of Joel and Ellie scenes. I feel every time they could have had a moment it was interrupted by something. My favorite scene is actually when Ellie tells Joel a pun and he finally breaks down laughing, a small human moment, not hampered by subplots or "filler" episodes. Right after they meet the brothers, who I liked, but again derails their relationship. I never felt their connection and thought all the way up to the line "baby girl" was not earned. So Joel going on a crazed rampage to help Ellie in the finale, though I know it happens in the game, didn't work for the show. It needed at least 12 or 13 episodes for the whole season, with more zombies, more interactions with the two and a closer bond other than of course Ellie is going to help Joel or vica versa because they've been together for a few months.
So let me get this straight Frank and Bill got an hour and a half episode and Cathleen got 2 50 minute episodes then they procced to give us a 45 minute season finale what a joke. Giving 2 characters that were hardly in the game the longest episode and some girl that wasn't even in the game 2 episodes.. nice.
Its an incredibly odd choice while chose to give bill and frank the longest episode. In hindsight were they really playing to the LGBTQ crowd while short handing the main 2 characters?
@@dbenz16 Not gonna lie you sound like the one whose crying commenting on someone else opinion all butt hurt and upset telling people to shut up. Hahaha
@@doom1354 it’s not an opinion when your trying to back it up with fake facts she didn’t have two full episodes man, u trippin, she was a side character. You comment like she was heading the show for two eps.
@@dbenz16She was literally the Antagonist of 2 episodes episode 4 and 5 and the main source of majority of the darma in the show for 3/4ths of those 2 episodes "2 FulL EpIsoDeS" Even the wiki says Antagonist of episode 4 and 5 whatever you're saying is irrelevant and damn lay off your phone you replied to me faster than you would your GF.
That dang line when Joel says “I do” in response to Marlene telling him that she has no other choice etc etc. So dang good and chilling haha. You could tell even Marlene got a little uneasy in the moment about demon Joel coming out.
It just goes to show that video games are definitely a valid medium of art. There are some stories that work much better in a video game format than if it were a movie or a TV show simply because the gameplay lends itself into the overall narrative. In the game, the player naturally cares about Ellie and Joel's relationship because the gameplay is reliant on it. The player, along with Joel, slowly gets into terms that Ellie is to be protected and cared for; it plays out naturally.
@@__-of3bt I loved Part 2 and disagree, the writing wasnt bad at all and especially Joe's fate makes very much sense. I mean come on cant people get why some people from a community would get angry af because some random guy killed their family for no reason?
@__ part 2 is WORSE than part 1? Is that even possible? All that work to develop a relationship only to ruin it? Why would I expect a decent story from a video game? It's not a medium known for story writing.
Just started playing the game for the first time after watching the whole season, and I'm surprised at how much better it is compared to the tv show. Ellie is no longer annoying and the infected are actually scary instead of looking like cosplayers.
It wasn’t perfect, but this is definitely the new gold standard for adaptations of video games. Hopefully the word of mouth popularity this show generated will get other studios/writing teams to take them more seriously and give us something worthwhile.
I never played the game but seeing Joel in the hospital suddenly it all came back to me flashbacks from watching bits of a playthrough on twitch in 2013 and then I instantly knew what was about to go down lol
Honestly the ending was very identical which was great and overall it was a phenomenal adaptation but yeah it should’ve been a bit longer rather than rushing through it all
I don't agree. It was changed enough to double down on Part 2. Ellie never drowned, thus was actually awake and talked to Marllene, and knew she was being knocked out for the precedure. Marlene just didn't tell her that she would never wake up. In the game, Ellie has no clue what happened after she drowned. Also, they're certain that the fatal operation will work. In the game.... they seem full of it. On the flip side... the show has almost no infected. While the game is loaded with them. So...why is the cure needed on the show?
Well maybe if they didn't completely waste 3 entire episodes, one of which that was a full 90mins in length, they woulda had more than enough time to tell this story right. But muh' diversity ruins yet another amazing story. Got so hyped from the first 2 episodes and it's just been totally downhill ever since. I know how season 2 is gonna go so this is prolly it for me. Was fun while it lasted ✌️
Never finished the game, only got a few hours into it about 8 years ago. I definitely felt that the infected were no longer an issue, and I think a lot of that stems from KC having driving them all underground. They only got free from some freak accident, AND thats the last time we see a present day infected in the show. It gave the impression that most QZs had dealt with them similarly because there isnt a single one to be seen lmao Loved the show, but no other episode really captured how great that pilot was. Really think more length would've helped
Compared to the humans, the game didn’t have a lot of infected either, and the swarms in episodes 2/5 were way more than any one particular instance in the game. But both use plenty of time jumps for you to imagine all the struggles they’ve had in between, so it’s never been a fair criticism to me.
Honestly i think this is the best live action adaptation I’ve ever seen of a video game. That being said, I’m frustrated with some of the changes that they made that i feel either just weren’t the best, or that made the story worse, or that ruined the pacing. 1. Episode 2’s “zombie kiss” with tess. I watched the bts and get what they were trying to do, but they never pulled this move again and it just felt weird and gross and sexual in a story where the zombies are otherwise cruel and aggressive and rip your throat out. 2. The whole of episode 3, which I know is SO controversial, but hear me out. You got the longest episode of the series in a zombie show where you got to meet one of the most important side characters from the game, and instead of keeping him the antisocial reminder for Joel that other people are dead weight and Joel needs to just rid himself of Ellie and be done, and having joel choose Ellie in SPITE of that, instead of keeping Bill important, they gave him an 80 minute rom com where the biggest impact he has to the plot is a truck full of gas and a battery that we would have saved a ton of time for more important characters if joel and ellie would have stopped at an abandoned house on the way and found the truck there. 3. Joel. I think Pedro played the role perfectly- my issue isnt with him. My issue is with how hes written in the show. He barely fights in the series, and what started as a rick grimes level no-holds-bared character, was turned into someone who feels like he kind of wants to hide out in a basement and not see another zombie in his life. He gets taken down by one person with a knife at the second firefly base scene, gets snuck up on so much easier, freezes in the face of people looking to hurt ellie, and had an entire shpiel with tommy that felt emotional, yes, but so untrue to his character. I think his best moments were torturing the men for ellies location when she gets kidnapped by david and when he raids the hospital to get to her before she has surgery, and I just wish they would have kept a little more of this I’d-walk-through-hell-and-back for her Joel. 4. The absolute lack of zombies. What they did at the end of Katherine’s episode was AMAZING, and exactly what we signed up for, and we only got, like, one episode of it? 5. Ellie kills david. The only part of this that i wish they would have changed is that i think the video games version was more impactful, where joel finds her still smashing davids brains in, holds her, and then it fades to silent as hes comforting her. That silence as she’s sobbing and hes talking is deafening in that scene and i was so disappointed to see it taken out and him just walking away with her. 6. Spending so much time with kathlene. Things i thought they did amazing: 1. The entire first episode. 2. The casting, makeup, effects, and acting of the zombies. 3. The bloater? Hello? That was so cool. 4. The casting as a whole 5. Ellie killing david 6. The hilarious old couple in the snow house. 7. Henry and sam
Agree with you on every point. Honestly, Joel from the game comes across much tougher and scarier than Joel from the show. It kind of feels like Joel has already settled down in the show with how much softer he comes across. It's fine for the show to have a different take, but I do much prefer the game
Unfortunately budgets exist… the season finale would’ve been brilliant as a 90 min episode, with the underwater tunnel section leading up to the hospital. Building upon the tension of an infected world. As Alex said, why are they trying to find a cure if there are no infected? 😂
Alex seems like someone who has to have things spoon-fed to him. Yes, maybe one more sequence with infected could have been good, but the big set piece at the end of Ep 5 clearly demonstrates why the infected are so dangerous.
@somanytakennames yep. I have friends who are the same way. Incapable of filling in blanks and needed infected every fucking episode. Cuz I guess infected killing characters in around half the episodes just wasn't enough i guess.
@Tactical Circumvention That doesn’t mean the infected aren’t a threat either. They live in a post apocalyptic world where most of the population have been killed by the fungus and at any point, could become infected themselves. As was demonstrated multiple times throughout the series. I just don’t see it as a valid criticism. One of their complaints about Ep 3 was that Bill only encountered 1 infected and 1 raid in the decades he lived in that area? As opposed to coming to the obvious conclusion they have had to deal with more than that, it just wasn’t shown because showing every single encounter would make it a 5 hour episode.
@@vdlion717 How many times did Joel and Ellie encounter infected while traveling across the entire country? A couple clickers in a museum and one large group in Kansas City? Every other infected moment, of what few there were, was a flashback/not in present-day of the show. Based on the show's presentation you're no more likely to be killed by an infected then you are attacked by a wild animal. Why does Joel need to let Ellie sacrifice herself for a cure when the infected are barely even a threat anymore? It's like watching The Walking Dead and zombies barely appearing in even one or two episodes barely posing a threat to the main protagonists. Episode 3 didn't need to be spent entirely on side characters who have no real interaction with the main characters. You still could've fit the relationship between bill and frank but allowed bill to actually interact with ellie and joel when they go to retrieve the car battery from a bunch of infected (again, solidifying that the infected ARE still a real threat and present major obstacles to our characters' survival, justifying the importance of a cure).
Hmmm..it's almost like they could have done something else with episode 3 huh. It added nothing to the actual narrative and was a waste of an episode...which was one of the longer episodes..
What did I disagree with last Episode guys? I've always agreed the show is too short and that by the end we need to see more infected, well this is the end and not much more infected was shown, so really what the fuck are you talking about. Seriously. Do you always need a villain? Fuck I hate your dumb ass half cooked judge something before its done takes. Me being someone's boss has nothing to do with our discussions on our opinions on a fucking show. Have you ever had a friend who diagreed with you on a show mid season in your life? Or has everyones opinions always had to be correct eveb before something is completed with you or their a dumbass that should be ridiculed? What is this shit? Too early foe this shit I need a coffee and I hate coffee
@@AngryJoeShow mate I just want to know what made you lie about how “good” this show is?🤔I’ve watched you criticize far better shows/movies than this. And yet you gave a couple episodes of this garbage show a “10/10” what made you say that? Because I don’t think you or your mates actually believe this show is great.
Yup, I also think this whole thing could have been avoided, if the The Fireflies, Ellie, and Joel sat together and talked about what was going to happen. Ellie probably could have talked Joel down and gave him closure, but the Fireflies were too impatient for that, and distrusting of Joel. It was doomed to happen cause this is a world where human respect is an afterthought and lies are better than truth, because apparently survival is the only thing that matters.
Thought that ever since I finished the first game. Also, my nurse friend said it was a bad decision to straight to killing your subject in the hopes of a cure. In reality, they ought to ramp up with blood samples up to even a biopsy, because once they're dead, the tissue decays and any medical value is lost.
@@MrGamzi91 Bro did you not watch the show? It is clear that Ellie has surivor's guilt and going off her "after all we've been through, it cant be for nothing", she wants to administer a cure no matter what. and thanks to Joel, it was all for nothing.
@@10sansari no, you have no idea what her choice would be in advance. Her committing to some vague statement of "what we've been through cant be for nothing" doesn't mean she gave consent for you to kill her. In fact, even if she gave consent in advance it can easily be invalid when the moment comes. People can act brave and say they're willing to die until its time to actually face death. You can guess, the only way to know is to give her the choice. But besides that, your comment is off-topic because this thread is about the idea that the "fireflies should have asked", fireflies don't know anything about her commitment and conversations with Joel. And if they had any confidence about her willingness to die for the cure they wouldn't have hid the fact that she needed to die in the first place.
@@MrGamzi91 i played the second game and she makes it very clear in that to both Joel and the player that she would've done just that and try to make a cure, just as Joel would've stuck by his decision to save Ellie. It's ridiculous how you can say i don't know what her choice would be when she literally states it.
Notice how Marlene in the game says "Out doctors think", while in the series the line was changed to "Our doctor thinks". This sets up what will be said in part 2, that Abby's dad was the only doctor alive capable of working a cure, thus making Joel's actions even more dooming for humanity.
I miss the tunnel scene, it was like the last big hurdle Ellie and Joel had to get over with their goal in sight. They are just suddenly there, it makes it all the more apparent the lack of zombies/infected in the movie. This place is so dangerous that Marlene's entire troop nearly got wiped out doing it but you barely see Joel and Ellie go through any of it. It makes me sad because apparently Part 2 will have room to breathe but this story only gets half told.
The part where Joel finds out about the failed operations and stuff is in Part 2, I think the game ended itself perfectly where no one is "right" or "wrong", Joel was being selfish and both the best and worst person to get Ellie to the Fireflies. The Fireflies were also morally gray, they wanted the cure even at the sacrifice of Ellie (even though it hurts Marlene) but there's no doubt they would have used the cure selfishly (ignoring Part 2 information). And in the end Ellie choose to trust Joel, she knows deep down things don't add up but chooses to believe him over her own logic so in a way you could say she was given a "choice" at the end to not believe Joel and try to get back to the Fireflies etc (not that it justifies his actions). I loved the complex morally gray open ending. The TV show was entertaining but I didn't feel that emotional hit.
Nice to finally see Joel have a bad ass scene. Had been a little bit lol. Pacing, lack of infected and not giving Joel and Ellie more moments like the giraffe scene were some negatives of the entire season. Just made the emotional moments feel less emotional. Even with all of that it’s still one of the best video game adaptations ever.
The way the show portrayed Joel vs. the game is totally different. In the game you were entirely sympathetic with Joel, and you understood why he had to save Ellie. In this show they make him out to be a selfish man, and not much else. He's a cold-killer, etc. The show was pretty bad IMO.
@@drownthepoor I wouldn't say bad, I'd say more realistic. You'd have to turn yourself away from empathy with the common man in order to do the things Joel has done, and honestly I don't know if I blame him. His fatal flaw isn't selfishness, it's love. Not love for the world or its people but love for those he's personally connected with (beit his daughter, Tess, Tommy, Ellie) and damn the world if it gets in between that toxic but undeniable love.
@@Joe-qt1qv In the game it was only certain that Ellie would die. It wasn't even great chances they'd be able to make a cure from her. Add that to the fact she didn't even know, and it made perfect sense why Joel saved her vs. letting them operate. The way this ended Joel seemed wrong, and that's just not how it played out in the game. BUT on top of that major tone change, they wasted precious episodes on things that could have been shortened, but kept. The infected aren't even around that much, and when they are they're not even a major threat. IN the game you've killed so many of them, but you still needed to sneak and try to avoid them because they were that much of a threat. Especially Clickers.
I never actually stopped and thought about how the Fireflies aren't this benevolent force that would distribute the cure to everyone and this is actually a really good point for why Joel was right to not allow them to kill Ellie. When I watched the game a few weeks ago, I was really conflicted about Joel's choice, because at first I thought he had doomed humanity, but now I think he had just saved his adopted daughter from certain death.
@@lrsb1678 That was literally the only way to save her, at all. She was going to die for sure, and the cure was not for sure. But he had literally no way of saving her without killing everyone, and it was amazing he didn't kill the two nurses because I thought for sure they were going to do that. They made Joel look way worse in the show. In the game you were on Joel's side and understood entirely why he had to save her.
The series was really good, yet I still can’t help feeling disappointed. I guess maybe I went into it with high expectations because of how brilliant the game was. This finale especially left me quite upset because of how rushed it felt. Personally I think the biggest issues with this show was 1. The lack of infected 2. The lack of the spore threat (this was replaced by the “hive-mind” yet this made little difference as again, there was F-all infected) 3. The terrible pacing. I don’t know what it is about the show compared to the game, but for some reason the game felt like it had way better pacing. 4. Very little tension/stakes. Largely due to points 1 and 2. I’m really split with this show. I liked it for the most part, yet I have this nagging feeling of something missing.
the pacing were off and it felt it was like this because the writers had an agenda, they would rather spend time with episodes like 3 and 7 rather than the actually important plot points for joel and ellie and rushed episodes 8 and 9 that could have been stretched to at least 3 episodes with 9 being at least an hour, but instead it felt super rushed, joel goes from dying to killing machine in seconds, we don`t spend time with ellie and then episode 9 was 40 minutes we hardly see joel helping ellie after her literally experiencing PTSD, the whole hospital shootout takes like 5 minutes
The infected were always present and a threat between episodes 1 - 5. First episode is the outbreak and then the aftermath, leaving humanity in shambles, so the infected are pretty terrifying. Second confirms our fears, establishing the hive network, confrontations with the dangerous clickers, and a horde. Third shows that even out in the country, infected still have a presence, as they can be found in stray buildings or even wandering to remote settlements. Episode four establishes a very clear unease in the absence of these infected, which we get teased at their existence still with the loose ground, which is confirmed in the fifth. Fifth episode, we get the largest horde we've seen yet, and the absolute carnage these infected can cause, with any small bite or scratch spelling the end for a character. After that, they barely have a presence. The only times we see infected after that horde is in flashbacks, first in Ellie's flashback to Rylie in episode seven, then Anna in the finale. They're just no longer a threat, and even just small interactions with more infected, particularly in episodes 6 and 9, would've really helped maintain the danger that they pose in the world. Instead we basically forget entirely about them. Flashbacks simply just don't cut it for infected presence in later episodes, and it shows.
Exactly, They did a great job, yet it was definitely missing what makes The Last of Us so great. The infected are a key ingredient. The terrifying threat was taken out almost completely.
The Producers said in their Episode 9 podcast that a whole month has passed since what happened in Episode 8. I would’ve never guessed that, and they didn’t even try to make it obvious in the episode as well. That context would’ve been helpful.
It wasn't snowing anymore is the context. In the game, it was clearer since each "chapter" is divided by the seasons and the game tells you when it is summer, fall, winter or autumn.
@@akmal94ibrahim lol this. "Don't tell, show" is something that's talked about over and over again when critiquing movies and shows, yet when a show actually "shows and doesn't tell" people get annoyed
@@briantown6716 well it didn’t show because it was not apparent at all through visual cues. I personally thought it was a couple of days after ep. 8, but a whole month? Never would have guessed if I didn’t play the games
Man Alex is a genius, not only he explained perfectly how the set up for the first game works with the fireflies being evil. The additions he suggests for the second game are perfect.
Yet Alex still constantly states that Joel never gave out his name in 1 and that he does it in 2 when it’s the opposite. The guys have a problem a lot lately where they compare things to old lore and get it wrong etc
@@steohara6353 lou2 has dog shit writing. Joel definitely would not have just let himself be outnumbered by strangers that he randomly helps LOL it’s the opposite of plot armor he just does because writer wants him dead
I think that the writers, while hinting at it throughout, wanted the explosion of violence from Joel at the end to have an impact. In the game, which I've played multiple times, Joel is a killing machine from start to finish which makes the violence at the end just another killing spree.
@LikeNobodii hmm thats a good point it did feel that way to be honest but at the end of the day its based on a vidyagame so you have to accept goofiness to an extent.
@LikeNobodii They didn't downplay his capabilities. We're constantly told how he's capable of great violence all throughout. Tommy's wife basically warns Ellie.
was there really 11 others? i remember it from games and this season being mentioned only once, from joel to ellie after he killed fireflies. I understand is as a lie to ellie just to sell it better. She really was the only one, but to convince her, he said they stopped looking for cure because it didn't worked 11 times before
In the game, Joel finds multiple medical records, indicating that no breakthroughs had been made. So, he decides Ellie's death isn't worth a "what if".
There was no 11 other immune people. Ellie was unique in that. The other operations they mentioned in the game was doing those on newly infected people, not immune people, they died for the knowledge of how it infects the brain. I don't know where they got there was 11 other immune people.
@@narc440 yeah I 100% agree, my comment was more towards the "we tried this on 11 other immune people and it didn't work" comment. I still think it wouldn't have worked, maybe just aided in finding a cure but not been the answer to said cure. I would have taken her out of there too.
I've always loved how naughty dog stuck with this ending in the game. I feel like any other game developer would've had a "good" or "bad" ending for the player to choose. Props to them for sticking with this choice and having truly a great ending. 👍🏻
I'm still of the opinion that there was no way they had the logistical operation set up to even produce one. One sample to create, test, and mass produce? Nah
@@Aaron-dt9puyes it works in the game since it’s completely fictional, but they’ve built the show based on realism of how fungus work. Making a cure is impossible in those circumstances, they literally say ‘’do we have enough power’’ when Joel enters the room
Another major change that I’m surprised people aren’t talking about is that the Fireflies attacked Joel and Ellie with a bomb while their backs were turned and knocked them out. In the game, they already found Ellie knocked out after she almost drowned. Having them cowardly attack two unarmed people while their backs were turned without even questioning them (like Tommy’s people did) shows they truly are scumbags and not good people at all. It also gave Joel even more reasons to distrust them.
I’m thinking the same thing. If they gave both Joel and Elle the opportunity to present their gameplan, Elle could have convinced Joel to go ahead with the procedure. Instead, Joel used his heart instead of his head, distrusting the Fireflies immediately, and sending him to “fight or flight” mode. His instincts took over because the Fireflies unnecessarily rushed the surgery without Joel’s input, considering the damn guy protected her for almost a year at this point.
@@mjbudziak yup they were scumbags, a doctor takes hippocratic oath he cant harvest a kids organ without informing the patient first, marlene promised her best friend to protect ellie she is scum for failing and not telling ellie the truth, it should still be ellies choice because its ellies life, joel is a dirtbag for lying to his fake daughters face, he should of at least told her why he got her out of there and he wanted to be certain its her choice but no hes just selfish and wants a new fake daughter, well all the scumbags died so i guess its karma.
@@mjbudziak Y'all need to relax. The Fireflies didn't "bomb" Ellie and Joel lol They used a flashbang, which is a non lethal weapon. They didn't know who the hell those ppl were, since they had no clue Joel and Ellie were on their way to the hospital, so they weren't gonna march strangers to the Firefly home base awake. 2ndly, they didn't know the surgery would kill Ellie until they put her under and examined her, so there was no time to ask Joel anything. And lastly, there's no way Joel would have been "convinced" by Ellie to let her die. How do we know this? In Part 2 Ellie TOLD HIM she wanted to make that sacrifice, and even after she did, he said he would have made the SAME choice.
@@DrSid42 Never played the game, and yes, it's fantastic without prior knowledge. That is not to say we don't want more infected as well😅, but I suppose budgetary issues? If so, incredible what they managed to pull off. Great series, can't wait for season 2. Hopefully more carnage!!!😂
@@DrSid42 wow, you're so cool and special!!! Dropped after the first few eps but bothered enough to go into a video about a finale to let people know you dont like a show. Let me guess? You also call things woke every other sentence?
My girlfriend has watched me play the last of us on and off for years. She has never seen me play through start to finish, but I guess I've played enough times and she has picked up enough of it that she generally knows what's going on. It's funny cause she doesn't exactly just sit around watching me play games. It's an incredible testament to the game that she has retained so much from me playing so many different times over the years and she putting the pieces together. Was very interesting watching this show together, and we both loved it. She knows a lot less about last of us two as I only beat it a couple times
@@TRUEbASNER I think HBO wasn't sure how big the show would be so they held back a bit on the budget, but now that it's been a massive critical and commercial hit I think we'll see a way bigger budget for season 2.
The problem they have is that they forgot that the characters interactions with the infected also formed the bonds between characters. They didn't necessarily need fight scenes they could have had a more stealthy tone to episodes. They focused way to much on the humans ... like the added characters that didn't need to exist, those episodes could have used those for the end to a much better effect.
That's because the human characters in this show and also in the game are far scarier than any Infected. David alone was legitimately more terrifying than the Bloater in this show. It's just like Bill says to Joel in the game. "At least the Infected are predictable. It's the normal people that scare me. You of all people should know that, right Joel?"
You guys were spittin’ facts this episode, spot on with almost everything, good job Alex. A 40 minute season finale is just ridiculous, it’s absolutely unbelievable. For such a huge moment to be reduced to that amount is madness.
Completely disconnected the kid element in Ellie, and made bill just a empty character. No handcuff scene the stealing of the magazine and that whole scene with all three. If they went that route for ep3 would’ve been way better. Interactive elements with the infected, and really seeing Bills skills and mindset of a survivalists. Not to mention! They killed him off 🤦🏽♂️
@@matthewkz It takes about an hour to get through the hospital in the game. The show skipped the entire sequence of the infected in the tunnels and most of the hospital. The finale I thought was great but I can see why some called it “rushed”. All the episodes were great individually but it definitely could of used a bit more of a longer runtime for each episode, or just have more episodes.
@@devinvez3869 What agenda was it pushing? If it was about a hetrosexual couple, would it be pushing an agenda too? Bill and Frank are both white males, can we say it was pushing a white male agenda?
As a huge fan of the games, I'm pretty pissed with the way they portrayed Joel toward the end of the series. They made him overly emotional and almost clingy to Ellie at the end. They also purposefully filmed the final scenes as if Joel was a mass shooter instead of a father going on a rescue mission to save his daughter (as he sees it). The slow motion scenes of the brass hitting the floor, the music, his mannerisms during the incident were all done in a way to make him seem evil. I hate that. In his mind he's the hero, he's not mindlessly killing people, he's killing people who are trying to kill his daughter. The Fireflies are just another agency assaulting his family like the Army did episode 1. The fact they didn't do this justice so they can soften up the audience for season 2 is almost as unforgiveable as their treatment of GoT at the end.
Yeah my buddy and I just agreed the pacing was way off! At times there didn’t feel like there was enough at stake. Even the giraffe scene while beautiful it didn’t feel earned. What I mean is in the game that scene was a breath of fresh air compared to everything you’ve been through. So yeah 9 episodes wasn’t enough.
Last Of Us part 1 FULL game MOVIE in 4K in only 5hrs on UA-cam uploaded by Gamer's Little Playground. Way better than show. Better action, story and characters. *WATCH*
Watched with a friend who doesn’t play video games at all, and went in with me hyping up how good of a story it is and yet again at the end he asked, “ That’s it? “
@@theghostofsparta4528 I think people that played the games automatically fill in a lot of the missing pieces that build up Ellie and Joel's relationship. None of that is present in the show making it feel more tell than show. This also means what are clearly meant to be emotional moments ring a bit hollow. The show could've used about 3-4 more episodes centered on Joel and Ellie's relationship to bring the show only folks up to speed with where the gamers were, but they chose to go a different way with it.
Well for a show its really not THAT special. It's well made but its nothing new. But as an adaptation of a 2013 game, which at the time was pretty groundbreaking especially for a video game, it was really good.
@@TargetDestroyed96 I didn't play the game but I have a co worker that has. The characters are quite hollow in this. I barely cared about any of these characters. Barely any zombie threat. My co worker completely agreed. You want a better zombie show. Watch the first few Walking Dead seasons.
So I've never played the games and it's been really interesting getting your guys perspective on the series having played them. I will say that even without playing the games the pacing issues are more than apparent. Some narrative threads and episodes are given more than enough room to breathe while others feel so brief and rushed that it almost makes you wonder why they even included them. You can sense the gaps where things were likely fleshed out more in the games which is certainly disappointing as I wish they would've had more episodes or not felt the need to cram the entirety of the first game into the first season. Doing so definitely hurt the pacing and quality of the writing this season overall.
I never played the games (yet), but I did feel that Ellie's and Joel's relationship was a tinybit rushed. It did need an episode in there where the two of them were alone against some infected. After the incident in the previous hospital early in the season, Ellie and Joel never encountered any infected while Ellie was clearly shouting at the streets and and going guns blazing without any care in the world. I think there should have been at the very least some kind of infected scene when Ellie separated from Joel on this episode. Just to atleast show that Ellie is capable of fighting still even after what happened last episode and that could have been the final connection they needed where they both save each other in some way.
That happens in the game. You'll get to understand Joel's decision to save Ellie in the end because of the bond and survival you have to go through with (and without) her. Hopefully now you got to play it
The shooting in the hospital was handled great! Seeing Joel go full on terminator was amazing to watch! I am interested in seeing how they will construct the second game in the next two seasons so I will definitely stay tuned for that. Edit: But damn I really wished we saw them double teaming on a bloater underground and the potential drowning in the bus actually showing and not telling that Ellie can’t swim. Yeah I agree that this should’ve been split in two but I’m still pretty satisfied with what we got. I’ll give season 1 a n 8.5 out of 10. Really good but unfortunately rushed.
It was a great scene although I do wish they'd let the surgeon talk it out more, as in the game you have the option to hear the surgeon justify why he grabs the knife, although I guess some people just went guns blazing and shot all of them before they could even speak 😂
Not having ellie drowning was a loss because so much tension leads up to it. When it happens there is not only payoff because ellie mentioned she can't swim but there is also an incredible desperation behind joel to protect her.
Agree. Some things were mentioned and never adressed again."ellie cant swim", mentionend once, never comes up again. Tendrils and hive mind thing? Only in episode 2, then never mentioned again
One thing that really bothered me (and granted I love this show and thought they did overall really well) is that Marlene acts like Ellie is family and “understands” more than Joel but when we see Eli with Marlene for the first time she is chained up… and Marlene is acting like she doesn’t know if Ellie is going to turn…. But apparently acts like she’s known her since Ellie was born… so either this was a mess up in the script writing or she has had Ellie chained up her WHOLE LIFE and just waiting to see if Ellie will turn. Idk this felt like a major question to me of how they tried to portray it like Marlene was hurt by this and “knew Ellie since she was a child” . Not to mention Ellie also says everyone she’s known or loved has abandoned her and ELLIE CHOOSES JOEL. I don’t remember Marlene acting like she’s known Ellie her whole life in the game… am I wrong or forgetting something?
Ellie was bit in the mall, but changed from the game that she was always infected. So either no one bothered to test her, she did not show as infected until after she was bit, or the show made a big change with out considering how it should have affected earlier scenes.
Agree with the rating. Great adaptation, sets an example for other VG adaptations. Yet, I can't help but feel this was rushed in favor of Season/part 2. Like they couldn't wait for this to be over. I hope I'm wrong, but they could have done so much more. My biggest gripe is that we didn't get enough time with both Joel and Ellie build that bond like in the game and that the only threat was the Fireflies and Joel himself. No FEDRA, no Clickers, No Raiders, No Slavers. They were not on the back of your mind while they are moving from point A to B. We get more time with other characters that didn't matter to move the story forward, yet important things happen in less than 20min. TY guys for being honest and not afraid to express what really is on your minds.
I feel like after tess dies the infected are no longer really a threat. Which is a big divergence from the games. Where was the stealth scene in the tunnels surrounded by clickers? Or the great battle with the infected in Bill's compound? The unique thing I was looking forward to was the infected. It's what made me excited to watch it with my parents. Everytime a new infected came up on screen they would litterly go " What is that!" Then they went away from that and I felt the show lost steam.
I guess if they were already carrying some cure on them. It seems people turn too quickly to make it to a place with the cure. Unless the cure can turn back a completely zombified person.
> My wife never played the games, and she hates Zombie movies/shows. She knew I wanted to watch this and after she decided to watch it with me, she got hooked. She loved it all but even as a zombie hater, she asked me why there wasn't more infected... Overall. Great show, but a bad decision to leave out the infected. From the perception of my wife.
If they really are planning to split Part 2 into multiple Seasons, here's something interesting that they could do. As players of the game know, Part 2 starts off 5 years later, and there are flashbacks to that gap several times as you progress. What if the show decided to tell the story closer to chronological order, and expand on that 5 year gap, rather than just starting Season 2 off 5 years later?
I think that is the most likely scenario. Pedro Pascal is red hot right now and they don't want to get to that inevitable part to early in part 2. They could probably also do a better job of setting up that part and if they cast Abby correctly. That and Bella Ramsey is a rock star actress but I don't know if she is ready to carry the series yet.
Exactly what I first thought when the show came on. I still think the first game needed two seasons but for sure the 2nd game should play out like that. I don’t think they will do it like this since the way this season played out but hopefully they see people saying this and do it like this.
@@rylangrimes88 Ellie wasn't ready to carry the second game but they did it anyways and thats why i think a lot of people hated it. they can blame it on bigots all they want but IMO the story just wasn't that good. if they choose to kill off early in season two like the game. they are going to loose veiwers. they built joel different for the show. they humanized him way more so all the people who felt joel deserve to die in the second game have no leg to stand on now. personally i loved ellie in the first game. i absolutely couldn't stand her in the second game. she was rude, ungrateful and downright unlikable. im sure they did that to make people like abby but she was a shit character as well.
Can we get a video discussing if this is one of the most overrated pieces of entertainment ever? The finale&season was boring, besides the clicker episode which felt like Last of Us 1. Barely any feeling of danger or threats. Themes of loneliness and sacrifice are executed like a hallmark film. They walk into the camp without any worries, in the open discussing their feels (wasn't enough bonding with these 2 actors to care) and get flashbanged. The climax is pedro walking through the hospital like a cheap b action film, didn't feel anything like the video game. They could have made it exciting at least..
100% with you, I can appreciate that they stayed as faithful as they did while still feeling disappointed that so much of the show was just Mehh. Comparing it to a B movie/Hallmark movie is spot on, I hated how much exposition they made Pedro do, show don't tell.
@@ktrev34 Agreed, LoU1 felt epic. Having a pack of zombies chasing you with certain death if they catch you... while protecting/mentoring an important child was thrilling, the season felt so empty and shallow, no matter how many times they tried to project a message. Oh well. Time to giggle and forget about this lol.
Based on the show. The infected seem an after thought. I loved the show, the ending... Spock would claim The good of the many out weighs the needs of the few, or the one.
in the end it felt way way too rushed. The fact that they weren't enough zombies around decreased the amount of tension and risk they had to take for the whole travel and it also made Joel look way too weak to actually take on a whole facility of fireflies by himself. Even the scene with him running through the hospital is like 2-3 minutes long and it just feels sooo rushed. No tension, no focus, just a continuous shot and..that's it. Pacing was weak af.
But they put 2 episodes entirely dedicated outside the main story story and inserted a filler villain in Kansas city that took up almost 30 minutes within two episodes.
I don't understand why Ellie is an anomaly when the episode seemed to suggest they leader of the fireflies knew how she was immune. If that is the case it also raises the question why risk the transfer instead of recreating the effect. It isn't like they have a moral issue with killing if it leads to a cure. I don't know it just kind of seemed like a needless addition to a well written story. One that seriously undercuts the Both the end and the rest of the story itself. Though I don't know if that was in the game or something added to solve a mystery that didn't need to be solved
Also the show implied that another kid was immune. Remember the kid from the first episode. He's walking and he has a small scratch on his leg but he doesn't act infected. FEDERA kills that kid because he shows infected. That kid was probably another example of a kid with immunity.
@@KeiFresh I understand that but it also showed she wasn't sure about that. Given that she is part of a group actively searching for a cure it doesn't make much sense that she wouldn't follow up on that. Again this group is willing to kill for it's goals, and not to be harsh but a orphan with no connection but you with a possible immunity would seem to be important to test. Assuming she did believe the mother still following up on that years later when she sees Ellie is immune it would have been far easier to pass along the information then the actual person. Though you could have done both the show to me suggests she never bothered. That again is information that could be critical to her life's work. Either way the origin of Ellie's immunity didn't add anything. Instead it just opened up this needless plot hole. I wouldn't have said anything but the show has been so well written up to this point I had to wonder why and where it came from
I would rate this season as a 7/10. The first two episodes were the best because they immersed the viewer in the post-apocalyptic world. There were great opening scenes (epidemiologists and mycologists) that portrayed a dangerous world and the episodes portrayed this. Afterward, in episode 3 and beyond, the show never recaptured that terrifying post-apocalyptic world consisting of both INFECTED and humans. Consequently, the suspense was lost and it became human vs human as opposed to human vs human vs infected. The lack of infected destroys the immersion and the development of Joel and Ellie's relationship.
I mean episode 5 is a thing regarding the infected. But this isn't the Walking Dead with mindless meatbags wandering around. The show does a good job showing the infected as really dangerous, even a single one. Every time except for episode 3 we had infected there was death.
I was missing the scene from the game, when Ellie was staring at the deer silhouette and not paying attention to Joel. That was a strong interpretation of the trauma she went trough.
Great adaptation 8/10 for me, but the game did it better. The worlds lacks the danger of the game, no spores means the only way to get infected is by other infected, and there are just not many around for the most part. It felt like the infection was almost solved and they didnt need a medicine anymore. I just wanted more time with Ellie and Joel, i loved the scenes they had togeather. I also didnt need the backstory why Ellie is immune, that kinda takes the mistery away, and if the fireflys knew how she was immune they would have 100% tried to replicate it. (and marlene knew so they absolutely did know what happened to Ellie as a baby)
@@willraven2302 And? It's like a video game developer that tries to make an amazing game with relatively low budget and end up being not as well delivered. Would you justify that? It doesn't excuse them in my opinion.
Somehow the look on Ellie's face in the final scene gave me a feeling that she knew it was going to be more than just blood extraction and Joel made that choice. Felt it ended abruptly. I have not played the game and enjoyed the series. And yes, it's too short :)
Best news I've heard all day is HBO says they're planning "more than one season" to tell us the last of us part 2. Cause good show, but if it had more time it could be a great show. Love your reviews, just finished watching and immediately checked. Perfect timing. :)
@@younggun3948 no troll, plenty of us gamers actually liked part 2, in my case it's my favorite game of all time, the people whining about that game are a vocal minority.
@@jadedheartsz I'd say it's a split, since part 2 truly divided the fanbase. Most of the people who liked part 2 either didn't play the first part, or didn't really fall in love with Joel and Ellie's dynamic, because part 2 simply butchers all of the OG characters to simply serve the plot.
Honestly still thought Troy bakers performance was better. Pedro’s just felt stilted or dry at times when delivering the iconic lines. I do think his best scene is when he’s talking about almost committing suicide in episode 9.
I think the only reason people are saying that is because they are looking at the runtime and are like “oh look it’s the shortest episode “. Try not to think about the runtime when you watch.
@@Tillyard86 um no. there were many scenes that should have been included in the show. with this kind of budget & cast i don’t get why HBO didn’t go all out on this series.
I kind of liked the way the show did it. Except for episode 3 every infected encounter ended up in a companion to Joel and Ellie dying. It made the infected feel really strong and menacing. Any appearance of them means shit is going down.
They’ve confirmed that there will be a lot more infected in season 2. They can’t bring them in too much , otherwise it would get boring as they always beat them.
I really enjoyed the season., but as someone who knows about the game but never played it, pacing was a huge issue for me. For the big characters where you knew you were supposed to feel something when something happened, I didn't. We spent hardly any time with them (outside of Joel and Ellie). The threat of infected wasn't there for most of the season, which was a shame. Hope that they expand on it in the next season
We needed more infected, and I also wish they didn't episodize secondary characters. I loved the Bill episode in a vacuum, 10/10, but they absolutely should've strung him along a few episodes instead of isolating his story to one. That is what they were initially going to do they said, but then changed their mind.
It was rushed, not much context, no real threat of the infected (almost every episode never had any infected) didn’t have enough bonding between Joel and Ellie to have a real weight to the ending. Walking Dead did it better
the one major change they made, is that if you fully explore the final chapter in the game, you find that joel wasn't lying. They actually DID find others with the immunity and bisect them, and it didn't work. This makes Joel's choice a lot more clear cut. He isn't giving up ellie to save the world, only a tiny chance that they have failed at over and over again. I think over the course of the games story they have retconned all those audio logs and wanted to make Joel's decision more controversial.
It’s been awhile since I’ve played but I really don’t remember anyone mentioning that there were other people that were immune. I remember the recordings left behind by the doctors but I thought they were talking about experiments on infected people not immune.
They clearly wanted to make Joel seem more selfish in this show. In the game you fully understood why Joel needed to save her, and you knew that it was only certain that she would die. It wasn't certain or even likely that they'd be able to get a cure.
If you pay attention before Joel goes inside the surgery room the camera kinda made that "room" more of a focus . I think it's a nod? To that note about the failed surgeries
@@khaki_man While they had other patients, he never said the others were immune. He talks about the fungus being mostly normal in comparison to normal infected patients; however, Ellie's immune response is different, and the fungus appears not to affect regions of the brain that it normally would. So yes, Joel lied to her. Not only that, but he also said the Fireflies stopped looking for a cure. Yet another lie.
@@Noclaf555 fair. But even with that being the case it didn't seem like the show was paced well or the relationship progression didn't seem like it was given enough time.
I'm pretty sure we got an Abby teaser, not Laura Bailey but Actual Abby. In the corridor right before the scene with the guy surrenders and Joel shoots him. There's a sillouette of what looks like girl with a braid running away that Joel doesn't shoot which may or may not be Abby
Well Bailey did play the nurse. So I'm betting Season 2 will open with Abby's first flashback sequence and we'll see the finale from her perspective again. Maybe give Bailey a bit more to do on the show.
If you play the game you have all the infected to deal with so they feel like a very real threat. The lack of infected in the show makes it seem like they are not much of an issue so then it begs the question why is finding a cure so important? In the game it makes the choice that Joel makes at the end a great debating point but it loses that in the tv show.
There is no debate. Informed consent in this bitch - solved. Marlene had some hack doctor with shitty equipment and basically wanted to jinx the cure. Joel "maybe" doomed humanity. Ellie should be presented with every information availabe before making a choice.
You can tell there was a pacing issue by watching the recap at the beginning of the last episode… they recapped the whole season so far but the recap didn’t include anything from episode 3 or the Kansas City substitute teacher group. So basically 3 out of the 9 episodes didn’t add to the story enough to include in the recap.
Joel lying at the end brought me back to them coming up on the dam. After Joel tells Ellie he has no idea how it makes electricity, she tells him she would have believed him if he made something up.
Here's my rating for each episode. Ep 1- 9/10 powerful cold open and the entire opening portion of the game was executed exactly the way I expected it. Kudos to the actress playing Sarah. Knocked it out of the park! Ep 2- 9.5/10 another powerful cold open with the scientist in Indonesia. Great clicker action and the Tess storyline was executed brilliantly. Ep 3- Nick Offerman is a legend and the relationship between Bill and Frank was beautiful and the way the episode ended was heartbreaking. It deserves a 9/10 but changing it to 6/10 since it really worked as a separate story but didn't add much to the whole show. So the 1.5 hour runtime could have been given to the finale. Ep 4- 6/10 I didn't care about the Kathleen character and her motivation at all. There were some good action scenes with Joel and the bandits but the Kathleen stuff was just not needed. Ep 5- 9/10 loved the infected scene. Sam and Henry were brilliantly portrayed. The whole Bloater and clicker sequence worked for me imo. Ep 6- 9/10 loved Jackson and the whole ellie/joel relationship here. The whole joel/Tommy scene was executed to perfection. Ep 7- 5/10 i loved the dlc but the story didn't fit here. The whole story could have been told in 20 minutes. Easily a filler episode and imo the worst episode. Ep 8- 10/10 I truly loved David/Ellie confrontation and the episode as a whole. Truly the best episode of the whole season Ep 9- 7/10. They could have added more. The episode felt rushed. The finale should have been 1.5 hours in length and not half an hour. Man I am a little ticked off. Overall- season 1 is 8.8/10. A very good and faithful adaptation but they really were stingy with the infected and chose to give certain filler episodes more runtime than the episodes that deserved it.
I didn't even care that Joel killed the Fireflies, in the hospital. Joel was in the hospital for like 8min. If I went to the restroom I would have missed the entire hospital scene. Joel was basically killing a bunch of NPCs. Heck, the infected are such a minor problem throughout the show who cares about a cure 🫣.
Sad they’re giving part 2 multiple seasons, but had no problem with rushing through the first game. Almost like druckmann really wants to push his story forward 🧐 EDIT: also thought i’d mention. In the game Marlene is saying they’ll develop a *vaccine* from Ellie. A *vaccine* . Not a *cure* like show Marlene says. A vaccine and cure are way different: a vaccine prevents others from getting infected in the future, a cure would get rid of any infection an infected person already has. Almost like druckman wants to paint Joel as a deranged lunatic to try to have Joel’s death in part 2 make sense? I really don’t know
you are reaching with semantics for one. Second it has always been druckmann's story. He's the creative director of the first game. Straley was there for the gameplay primarily. The story for both part 1 and 2 are Druckmann's creation. I don't know why haters of the second game act like he's just out here bastardizing a story that he only had a small hand in. He's always been a major driving force behind the game. It's why he's a creator of the show.
It's probably more to do with HBO now having the confidence to commit to a 2 part adaptation of the second game after the first season was so successful. I dont know per say, but I'd bet it plays a part.
This was super rushed, the sudden transition in Joel's behaviour made him almost look fanatic, obsessed, which he kinda is, but it's kinda creepy and it definitely makes Joel look like the bad guy for sure.. The lack of infected was a bummer, the ending felt random' The pacing was so fast, it went ; "Please, Ellie, be my good baby girl! I'll kill any and everyone for you! Oh I mean, I did't do anything, I swear!" the end. I wished they would have lingered a bit more on the last shot and maybe.. Shot it better..? I don't know it didn't feel satisfying at all.
My main gripe with this series is how horribly miscast Ellie is with Bella Ramsay being plain INSUFFERABLE for most of the episodes. You could just rename her as Androgynous Bossy Obnoxiously Smug Know-it-all Smartass Protagonist, Shoehorning in all the LGBTQ Crusader shit inside and outside of the show also was a bad move. I fear it was a missed opportunity for something truly great.
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Me and my dad watched this and we had a whole conversation about the ending. He told me that joel was stupid and he should’ve put humanity first over ellie. I asked him if he would let me die too if we were in the same situation and he said “no thats different of course i would save you”. He literally contradicted himself 😂
Lol gotta love dads
People like to judge others from the outside when they are not in their shoes.
@@alexwalters35 I would be willing to bet that you don't have a child. Because a parent wouldn't even write that sentence out. I'm not a parent, and I don't necessarily want kids even. But I know you wouldn't do it, and you only say it now because you're not a parent.
@Jay Hopkins Just because you're too weak to make the right decision doesn't mean other people are like you. I would do the same, 1 life for many lives is the right choice. Thanos was right - "The hardest choices require the strongest wills".
@@alexwalters35 U wouldn't if u had a true connection to your child. Only way ur allowing it to happen is if ur child is not tricked like ellie was and ur child told u they wanted to die .
Marlene: After all this, after what you have done, we can still find a way.
Joel: This is the Way.
Ha!
Perfect
Season 2 of last of us goes woke when masculine muscle Abby comes along. 😆
Anyone else smile when Marlene lowered her gun? Very low iq. Pedro showed a pattern just seconds/minutes earlier of murdering everyone trying to stop him.
This is the way.
Joel dropped Abbey's dad so fast in this episode that I actually couldn't help but laugh.
I remember standing there facing a moral crisis in the game lol, Joel gives no fucks.
@@Alex_Logan22 hmm should i shoot the guy harvesting kid organs or not hmm let me weight the pros and cons for a few minutes, hmm lets ponder.
@@Alex_Logan22 I flamethrowered that bstrd lol
Bro I laughed so hard to it was so fast.😂 jole was like “what? Shut up”
Is Abby's dad a woman?
The actress for Abby in S2 is gonna need some balls of steel for what she's gonna have coming her way
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@@NatexReese maybe people will accept it better.
Bet you it will be the woman who betrays the doctor in Mandalorian season 2...
Yeah, full respect to her in advance for even taking the role
If I were the agent for the actress who ends up playing Abby, I would tell her: Listen here, you're going to want to diconnect from all of your social media accounts for the next 3 months. Just don't use it all for 3 months until after the show is done , because you are about to get an avalanche of hate from the internet.
My biggest issue is we went through 9 episodes and didn't get to see Joel kill anyone with a brick! The whole time I was looking forward to some bricking but there weren't any bricks laying around at all. I always made sure to have a brick on hand in the game. I think there were a bunch of spots that it could've been done but they never actually orchestrated it. Hopefully they include some bricks or bottles in season 2.
I hope the use this as the last official TLoU review in The Onion 😂👍
i love how excited we r for death by brick in s2 😂
I had to have a whole conversation with my dad about how Molotov cocktails and nail bombs aren’t the most useful thing in the game. It’s a brick.
😂😂😂😂exactly I thought I was the only one complaining about this problem
My coworkers that haven't played the game were just like "oh that's it? Is there more?" I think due to its light speed pace the impact of the ending is softened quite a bit
Yeah the games ending has way more weight you spend about 5 more hours of in game time with the characters the show is mostly the games cut scenes which is like less than half of the game
Tbh I felt like that at the end of the first game. Ellie just asks Joel and says ok. It's a bit of a weird cut off tbh.
@@Ruddy_Games yeah its abrupt as hell in the game.
Tell them yes there's more: PLAY THE GAME ;)
Yeah. I’ve not played the games so without context the pacing and character development is well off
Joel is the very embodiment of "Great characters don't need to be likeable, they just need to be believable and interesting."
Idk they make him pretty likeable
But Joel is likable.
yeah the dev tried so hard to make him likable tho.
PEDRO PASCAL is likeable, Joel if you look into it maybe is not that much and doesn't even have to be, dude is just surviving
Walter White
Are we not going to talk about how the fireflies straight up flashbang ellie and Joel? You could see that this pair, more than likely father/daughter to the onlooker, are walking while talking about bad puns. They outnumber and out gun them. They could have cautiously said "who are you, and what are you doing here?!" Instead they just toss a flash bang at the man and little girl, and knock the man unconscious.
I agree, fireflies are assholes.
I mean wasent the people of Jackson willing to watch a 14 year old be ripped apart by a dog tho? Not everyone is good in this universe lol
@@corvoseesthevoid2373 Nobody is saying about people in Jackson, we are talking about how the fireflies are assholes. That "dog" was just a bluff, and also not in the game. But yeah we are talking about the series.
@@tonertonki I was just trying to explain how everyone in that world probably would end up flash banging a random group of people, even if they have children. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt the bluff their attitude and not the dog's ability to tell if someone's infected? The dogs in the show CAN tell when someone's infected.
Yeah they didn't tell Ellie that they were about to kill her. They lied to her.
I loved how Mando saves Grogu. Best ending ever.
Doubt much of anybody would question mando for killing everybody on a planet to save grogu lol.
@@itskashkashi now they gotta do the same scene with mando lol
Joelorian and Ellgru... damn that's hideous.
@@madiqismal4186 MandaJoelorian and Grogellieu: The Last Jedi Of Us
And then he said its grogin time
Literally felt like there was an episode missing before this one
There was, they cut it and put the time toward episode 3s flashback
Ep 3 and 7 should have been DLC
@@dain6492 That's not even remotely true
I know people is going to disagree with and it's fine, but overall this exprience was bit narrow and too much parts were skipped. And no it's not wisely skip to cutscenes as some HBO favoured media suggests. Phil background It wasn't surprising that the relationship, which was practically a side note in the game, was stretched into an episode-long gay scene :D Because of this gay scene, Goldstone and the school were skipped entirely, which would have been perhaps a little more relevant locations for the horror series and clickers. Joel didn't fall into an iron spike, but he was stabbed instead, which could have been done much better with modern stunts and little cgi. Joel didn't fall into the elevator shaft, and in practice, the whole solo roaming and the potential it gives against the infected were completely skipped with this method. David relationship didn't give the same vibes because they skipped entirely the zombie fight. It' would have been interesting to see because this would have been given a little symbol and hint Ellie Survival instincts and fighting skills. Entire underground train tunnel segment and figting against infected were skipped before hospital scene. Not get this wrong though, series had lot of potential fighting against infected as we saw with the huge horde but it was still little. Hopefully in Last of us Part 2 this gap can be filled.
The thing is, Marlene was saying the doctor "thinks" it "could" work... There were no guarantees that her death would be the result that they were hoping for anyway. That was the convincer instead of saying the last 11 failed.
Also could you even trust the fireflies with a vaccine and could humanity ever return to normal again
Mentioning the last 11 failed would have made Joels decision a lot more rational. Maybe the writers wanted us to think Joel’s decision is more gray so they missed that out
I think its a good thing they went that route anyways, considering how much they (slightly heavy-handedly) state Joel's intentions as a protector of Ellie in several of the past episodes in ways the game didn't. Adding mention of the previous failed operations would have been total overkill in terms of framing Joel as a hero for the choice he made, rather than the morally gray, ethically problematic decision it is intended to be.
@@mattf.5247 It also severely contradicts the second game.
Also fireflies getting the cure being a stretch, if they actually successfully managed to make a cure, what are the fuckin odds they won’t use it as a tool to gain power and use it for horrible reasons anyways…
I've been saying the entire time, we needed an episode that was a side tangent for Ellie and Joel to help galvanize their relationship and further their connection. I'm just saying the Duo needed more runtime together, that's all I'm saying.
Episode 4
@@colbym72 needs more
@@benbro4074 Yup. In the game there were so many times when Joel would have to trust Ellie with his life, and that built up their relationship. But the only time it happens in the show is when he gets stabbed, and by then I still didn't feel their connection like I should have.
Last Of Us part 1 FULL game MOVIE in 4K in only 5hrs on UA-cam uploaded by Gamer's Little Playground. Way better than show. Better action, story and characters. *WATCH*
I agree but not even a side episode, just a regular episode. They crossed country in a zombie outbreak in 4 episodes with minimal threats and most of their dialogue is them being passive aggressive and snarky to each other then in episode 8 Joel magically loves her like his own. It was too short. People will argue that it’s good enough but even what they put in had shortened dialogue.
After watching the show, it's very clear how important the gameplay was to the story. All the small talk and fighting to save eachother's lives really adds to the relationship between Joel and Ellie. The show doesn't have much of that, and when you make the story essentially all the cutscenes from the game I don't think I buy the father daughter dynamic as much. I think it's the curse of playing the game beforehand, because the show is amazing, but just not the game. I think the game makes it feel more earned on a personal level, because you are Joel and you keep Ellie safe throughout the game.
Spot on. THe gameplay is half the personal story you connect with as a player. WIthout that, what is it? A poorly done story, thats what.
Here's the thing though, they sank a lot of time into the Bill and Frank episode and made their relationship feel very believable. Could they not have done a similar thing for Ellie and Joel? Like just some scenes of them working together and building trust with eachother. Feels like that's missing.
I mean I never played the games and I was completely sold on Ellie and Joel’s relationship. I watch a lot of reactors and a lot haven’t played the game either and they still loved their dynamic. I think if you played the game then maybe you’re conditioned to judge the portrayal a lot harsher
@@Ashley-km4qi exactly, I recognize the show is unreal it's just tough to watch with an unbiased lens when it is so similar
As someone who’s also played it, I feel a little differently. I was definitely sold on the relationship because I got emotional during their scenes. It just didn’t have the same depth as in the games because we don’t get to spend hours with them. And plus the last episodes were paced kind of fast so that didn’t help.
When the infected attacked Anna I'd forgotten they had tendrils in their mouth.
That's how long it's been since we last got to see one.
I watched the show with my parents who have not played the game, and they both think that it felt rushed by having episodes 3 and 7 be basically filler episodes that are also somehow longer than the more important episodes
But ep 3 told a good story
Unlike the rest of the series, which tried real hard to tell a good story but failed miserably.
@@langreeves-bg4qr That’s the thing that makes it seem off. They spend so much time on episode 3 to build connections with characters that has almost no impact on the main story and then rush through the things that are supposed to be the actual story.
You really showed these episodes to your parents😐 of course, in the country where I live, homosexuality is very opposed and if I had shown it to my parents, I think they would have rejected me
@@pxgaming3984 we watched the show together without knowing what would be in the episodes. They deviated so much from the game that episode 3 was unexpected. I feel like most people would have skipped 3 if they knew what it was beforehand simply because it was fucking boring
Here's my opinion on the ending. Ellie wasn't given a choice by the fireflies or Joel. One side wanted to sacrifice her for what they believed to be the greater good and the other didn't. Marlene assumed Ellie would've given her life but she didn't ask her. That shows there was still some doubt about whether or not Ellie would cooperate. I believe the fireflies DID know who Joel and Ellie were when they captured them and they made sure they knocked JOEL out to ensure he wouldn't interfere before they could begin the surgery. I also believe this is why Marlene was already in the room with him waiting for him to wake up so she could convince him they were doing the right thing and possibly stall for more time. Marlene could've easily explained the situation to Ellie AND Joel allowing Ellie to ACTUALLY make a choice, possibly convince Joel and say goodbye to him. The fireflies were being selfish and trying to force their agenda no matter what. Marlene forced Joel's hand in my opinion. She knew what type of man he was yet she chose to make an enemy out of him. I believe Joel had multiple reasons for saving Ellie as well. Most would say it was just selfishness but I disagree. Joel loved her and didn't want to lose another daughter. That part is clear but I also believe he saved her simply because her life meant more than anything to him. Her life meant more to him than potentially finding a cure that probably would've been fought over and unfairly distributed. Joel simply wanted Ellie to live. Not just for him but for herself. He wanted her to experience new things and see glimpses of the beauty that was seemingly lost in the old world. He wanted her to love and be loved by others. To live a full life without survivors guilt. Joel wanted Ellie to see that her life was worth much more than just being a test subject so he made his choice. I believe he lied to her to protect her from any guilt in hopes she would move on from it. Joel chose to shoulder that burden himself. He made his choice and he lived with it. For that I respect it.
FACTS BRO, BUT NOW IM GOING TO BE AND EVERYONE WHEN JOEL DIES, OHH SHIT.
I also noticed this was the message from the series.
We come across various humans in the show and none of them are worth saving in Joel's eyes
I haven't played the video games, so I'm going into this story completely blind. Finishing the series really feels like someone tried to tell a 15 episode story in a cramped, less than 9 episode format where some of the episodes are actually cut to oblivion. It's a shame because this series is a 10/10 in cinematography and audio design but really misses the mark on pacing for me, and again, I'm not expecting to relive the game narrative like a lot of you guys are. Btw, Craig Mazin created what I believe is the best series in existence, Chernobyl, and did it in just 5 episodes, so this feeling just gets worse the more context I ad to it.
It sucks that the pacing is off because that’s one of the best things about the game version. So many moments were allowed to simmer. One of the game’s inspirations was No Country For Old Men and you could tell that in the way it told the story. I can’t say the same for the show version.
This legit need 1 more episode. The tunnel before the hospital need to be its own episode. Have it emphasize on the horror and suspense element and have a Bloater as a boss fight and then the hospital could've been the entire finale. Have the massacre be more brutal for those that think that Joel is a monster just so the debate has more fuel. I'm team Joel all the way but it would've been better to show how more brutal he can be.
I haven't seen this episode yet but how awesome would it be if Joel's rampage was shown from the fireflies perspective and he's just shredding through dudes, it's difficult to even see Joel through the muzzle flashes, explosions, and smoke like my favorite scene from TLOU2 of Tommy sniping.
Yea they already tried to paint Joel in a worse light than the game just with the finale episode. No one besides the Nurses tries to surrender to Joel in the game. In the show one guy laid down his gun and Joel kills him anyway. They also pushed the "Ellie wants to die to save the world" angle more so than the game did. Though I agree with Joe that both the game and the show feel like they've got very contrived reasons for having to kill Ellie to make a cure. (Like Joe brings up would her offspring be immune? At the very least test that prior to relying on a cure from killing the only known Immune person)
Why? That's just gameplay fluff and filler?
@@nokturnallex2160 I mean in the game, you’re literally mowing down droves of enemies like it’s nothing unless I’m remembering incorrectly. And while contrived reasons exist for killing Ellie, the fireflies were always depicted as being incompetent so it makes sense they’ll go to the most extreme measures for results
What would fighting a bunch of zombies add to the overall story?
Small issue, but kinda bugged me more than I expected it to, in episode 2 they do the “I can’t swim” thing with Ellie, not that I wanted Joel to swim around getting 15 pallets in the show, but I really wanted to see something like the bridge with Henry and Sam, or the finale with the bus, Joel having to save Ellie because of something she told him early on, it would have been a great Chekhov’s gun, but it was never brought back, which just made me wonder, why even make it so Ellie can’t swim in the show? There was no point. The emotional connection at the end of the game where Ellie is drowning in the water as Joel is desperately trying to get to her, and then the scene of him trying to resuscitate her was great, and added a lot to showing Joel’s need for Ellie, not that they had to do the exact thing, but seeing Joel save Ellie in the water would have been amazing!
Yep, they fucked up chekhov's gun, they had to have any sort of drowning scene in order for that to make sense.
only thing I was bummed about is we didn't get the squirt-gun fight between Ellie and Riley.
They rushed it
Yeah it would've been a great attention to detail, and adding more emphasis towards Ellies character.
I agree, and it would have showed more of the bond between the two of them, Joel trying to save her life and resuscitate her; we could have seen the desperation in his eyes, the sadness as he thought that he was about to lose the only thing he had left in the show I didn't feel the connection as strongly as I did in the game there was some good parts, but if they added something like this I would have bought it
I never played the games, and was disappointed at the lack of Joel and Ellie scenes. I feel every time they could have had a moment it was interrupted by something. My favorite scene is actually when Ellie tells Joel a pun and he finally breaks down laughing, a small human moment, not hampered by subplots or "filler" episodes. Right after they meet the brothers, who I liked, but again derails their relationship. I never felt their connection and thought all the way up to the line "baby girl" was not earned. So Joel going on a crazed rampage to help Ellie in the finale, though I know it happens in the game, didn't work for the show. It needed at least 12 or 13 episodes for the whole season, with more zombies, more interactions with the two and a closer bond other than of course Ellie is going to help Joel or vica versa because they've been together for a few months.
bro why are you even here they spoiled the shit out of second game
@@VertFirstQuestion I've known how both end for a long time since I never thought they'd come to PC.
So let me get this straight Frank and Bill got an hour and a half episode and Cathleen got 2 50 minute episodes then they procced to give us a 45 minute season finale what a joke. Giving 2 characters that were hardly in the game the longest episode and some girl that wasn't even in the game 2 episodes.. nice.
Shut up dude
She didn’t get 2 full episodes
Quit your crying.
You don’t like it then go play the game.
Its an incredibly odd choice while chose to give bill and frank the longest episode. In hindsight were they really playing to the LGBTQ crowd while short handing the main 2 characters?
@@dbenz16 Not gonna lie you sound like the one whose crying commenting on someone else opinion all butt hurt and upset telling people to shut up. Hahaha
@@doom1354 it’s not an opinion when your trying to back it up with fake facts she didn’t have two full episodes man, u trippin, she was a side character. You comment like she was heading the show for two eps.
@@dbenz16She was literally the Antagonist of 2 episodes episode 4 and 5 and the main source of majority of the darma in the show for 3/4ths of those 2 episodes "2 FulL EpIsoDeS" Even the wiki says Antagonist of episode 4 and 5 whatever you're saying is irrelevant and damn lay off your phone you replied to me faster than you would your GF.
That dang line when Joel says “I do” in response to Marlene telling him that she has no other choice etc etc. So dang good and chilling haha. You could tell even Marlene got a little uneasy in the moment about demon Joel coming out.
Honestly prolly should have killed when he was knocked out.. you are about to betray his trust in a major way and he is a very violent man
Punished Joel
It just goes to show that video games are definitely a valid medium of art. There are some stories that work much better in a video game format than if it were a movie or a TV show simply because the gameplay lends itself into the overall narrative.
In the game, the player naturally cares about Ellie and Joel's relationship because the gameplay is reliant on it. The player, along with Joel, slowly gets into terms that Ellie is to be protected and cared for; it plays out naturally.
Sadly Part 2 is so poorly written it will have the reverse effect of this perception and will kill the series.
nah ellie was just annoying like why the hell is this annoying kid here while im killing army guys and bandits in my zombie game.
@@__-of3bt I loved Part 2 and disagree, the writing wasnt bad at all and especially Joe's fate makes very much sense. I mean come on cant people get why some people from a community would get angry af because some random guy killed their family for no reason?
@__ part 2 is WORSE than part 1?
Is that even possible?
All that work to develop a relationship only to ruin it?
Why would I expect a decent story from a video game?
It's not a medium known for story writing.
@@langreeves-bg4qr its not ruined thats like saying they ruined joels relationship with his blood daughter, well maybe you do think so.
Just started playing the game for the first time after watching the whole season, and I'm surprised at how much better it is compared to the tv show. Ellie is no longer annoying and the infected are actually scary instead of looking like cosplayers.
Lmao
It wasn’t perfect, but this is definitely the new gold standard for adaptations of video games. Hopefully the word of mouth popularity this show generated will get other studios/writing teams to take them more seriously and give us something worthwhile.
This and Sonic, possibly the Mario movie but we'll see.
@@The_Babe I loved the sonic movies fr! I hope the god of war show gets this shows treatment, but better
@@averyb2236 If they don't get Chris Judge (man literally begging to be Kratos), then there's no hope for God of war.
Detective Pikachu.
@@rapzid3536 true
I wish the episode had been longer by including the flooded tunnel part but overall I really liked this episode.
That scene wouldn’t have worked in tv show.
@@Tillyard86 how would it not have worked? 😂
@@lewishague123 because it’s a tv show and not a game.
@@Tillyard86 wow, what a profound and thoughtful explanation. You should be a producer 🤡
@@lewishague123 what! Why? Producers don’t do that kind of thing, what are you on about?
I never played the game but seeing Joel in the hospital suddenly it all came back to me flashbacks from watching bits of a playthrough on twitch in 2013 and then I instantly knew what was about to go down lol
Honestly the ending was very identical which was great and overall it was a phenomenal adaptation but yeah it should’ve been a bit longer rather than rushing through it all
Damn right!!
What exactly do you propose is made longer?
I don't agree. It was changed enough to double down on Part 2.
Ellie never drowned, thus was actually awake and talked to Marllene, and knew she was being knocked out for the precedure. Marlene just didn't tell her that she would never wake up. In the game, Ellie has no clue what happened after she drowned.
Also, they're certain that the fatal operation will work. In the game.... they seem full of it.
On the flip side... the show has almost no infected. While the game is loaded with them. So...why is the cure needed on the show?
@@Hydra360ci so because they know that a sequel exists now, they can’t edit some things to help build up to that? I’m confused on what you want here
Well maybe if they didn't completely waste 3 entire episodes, one of which that was a full 90mins in length, they woulda had more than enough time to tell this story right. But muh' diversity ruins yet another amazing story.
Got so hyped from the first 2 episodes and it's just been totally downhill ever since. I know how season 2 is gonna go so this is prolly it for me. Was fun while it lasted ✌️
Never finished the game, only got a few hours into it about 8 years ago. I definitely felt that the infected were no longer an issue, and I think a lot of that stems from KC having driving them all underground. They only got free from some freak accident, AND thats the last time we see a present day infected in the show. It gave the impression that most QZs had dealt with them similarly because there isnt a single one to be seen lmao
Loved the show, but no other episode really captured how great that pilot was. Really think more length would've helped
Bro forgot when Tess died
Compared to the humans, the game didn’t have a lot of infected either, and the swarms in episodes 2/5 were way more than any one particular instance in the game. But both use plenty of time jumps for you to imagine all the struggles they’ve had in between, so it’s never been a fair criticism to me.
@@Alex_Logan22 Nah in the games you always felt like infected could be right around the corner, not in this show. At least that's how I felt.
@@Werdxp
Sure, but you were always more worried about humans, like Joel was in the show.
joel is a smuggler, avoiding detection is literally his specialty. Twenty years experience.
Honestly i think this is the best live action adaptation I’ve ever seen of a video game. That being said, I’m frustrated with some of the changes that they made that i feel either just weren’t the best, or that made the story worse, or that ruined the pacing.
1. Episode 2’s “zombie kiss” with tess. I watched the bts and get what they were trying to do, but they never pulled this move again and it just felt weird and gross and sexual in a story where the zombies are otherwise cruel and aggressive and rip your throat out.
2. The whole of episode 3, which I know is SO controversial, but hear me out. You got the longest episode of the series in a zombie show where you got to meet one of the most important side characters from the game, and instead of keeping him the antisocial reminder for Joel that other people are dead weight and Joel needs to just rid himself of Ellie and be done, and having joel choose Ellie in SPITE of that, instead of keeping Bill important, they gave him an 80 minute rom com where the biggest impact he has to the plot is a truck full of gas and a battery that we would have saved a ton of time for more important characters if joel and ellie would have stopped at an abandoned house on the way and found the truck there.
3. Joel. I think Pedro played the role perfectly- my issue isnt with him. My issue is with how hes written in the show. He barely fights in the series, and what started as a rick grimes level no-holds-bared character, was turned into someone who feels like he kind of wants to hide out in a basement and not see another zombie in his life. He gets taken down by one person with a knife at the second firefly base scene, gets snuck up on so much easier, freezes in the face of people looking to hurt ellie, and had an entire shpiel with tommy that felt emotional, yes, but so untrue to his character. I think his best moments were torturing the men for ellies location when she gets kidnapped by david and when he raids the hospital to get to her before she has surgery, and I just wish they would have kept a little more of this I’d-walk-through-hell-and-back for her Joel.
4. The absolute lack of zombies. What they did at the end of Katherine’s episode was AMAZING, and exactly what we signed up for, and we only got, like, one episode of it?
5. Ellie kills david. The only part of this that i wish they would have changed is that i think the video games version was more impactful, where joel finds her still smashing davids brains in, holds her, and then it fades to silent as hes comforting her. That silence as she’s sobbing and hes talking is deafening in that scene and i was so disappointed to see it taken out and him just walking away with her.
6. Spending so much time with kathlene.
Things i thought they did amazing:
1. The entire first episode.
2. The casting, makeup, effects, and acting of the zombies.
3. The bloater? Hello? That was so cool.
4. The casting as a whole
5. Ellie killing david
6. The hilarious old couple in the snow house.
7. Henry and sam
Agree with you on every point. Honestly, Joel from the game comes across much tougher and scarier than Joel from the show. It kind of feels like Joel has already settled down in the show with how much softer he comes across. It's fine for the show to have a different take, but I do much prefer the game
@@BUGHUNTER6the directors said they did it to show Joel like an actual 57 year old instead of just a super powerful unstable force
I don’t like how they forced trying to get us to disapprove of Joel’s choice by using villainous sounding music and bad-guy montage cinematography.
Imagine thinking that was the intention of the filmmakers 🤡
I'm glad the actress that played Ellie in the video games returned in the very beginning of the episode. THAT WAS A TREAT!
“Look at me I played the game guys! I know who the actress for Ellie was!!! Give me attention!”
@@tobwhy168 🤨
@@tobwhy168 she is the real ellie
@@tobwhy168 this comment is so weird wtf
@@Ashley-km4qi 🤔
Unfortunately budgets exist… the season finale would’ve been brilliant as a 90 min episode, with the underwater tunnel section leading up to the hospital. Building upon the tension of an infected world. As Alex said, why are they trying to find a cure if there are no infected? 😂
Alex seems like someone who has to have things spoon-fed to him.
Yes, maybe one more sequence with infected could have been good, but the big set piece at the end of Ep 5 clearly demonstrates why the infected are so dangerous.
@@somanytakennames yeah in only one episode.. when there are many other ways to include infected in this world
@somanytakennames yep. I have friends who are the same way. Incapable of filling in blanks and needed infected every fucking episode. Cuz I guess infected killing characters in around half the episodes just wasn't enough i guess.
@Tactical Circumvention
That doesn’t mean the infected aren’t a threat either. They live in a post apocalyptic world where most of the population have been killed by the fungus and at any point, could become infected themselves. As was demonstrated multiple times throughout the series.
I just don’t see it as a valid criticism. One of their complaints about Ep 3 was that Bill only encountered 1 infected and 1 raid in the decades he lived in that area? As opposed to coming to the obvious conclusion they have had to deal with more than that, it just wasn’t shown because showing every single encounter would make it a 5 hour episode.
@@vdlion717 How many times did Joel and Ellie encounter infected while traveling across the entire country? A couple clickers in a museum and one large group in Kansas City? Every other infected moment, of what few there were, was a flashback/not in present-day of the show. Based on the show's presentation you're no more likely to be killed by an infected then you are attacked by a wild animal. Why does Joel need to let Ellie sacrifice herself for a cure when the infected are barely even a threat anymore? It's like watching The Walking Dead and zombies barely appearing in even one or two episodes barely posing a threat to the main protagonists. Episode 3 didn't need to be spent entirely on side characters who have no real interaction with the main characters. You still could've fit the relationship between bill and frank but allowed bill to actually interact with ellie and joel when they go to retrieve the car battery from a bunch of infected (again, solidifying that the infected ARE still a real threat and present major obstacles to our characters' survival, justifying the importance of a cure).
I liked this adaptation, just wish they split this episode into 2, but overall still liked this season
Hmmm..it's almost like they could have done something else with episode 3 huh. It added nothing to the actual narrative and was a waste of an episode...which was one of the longer episodes..
@@devinvez3869in a vacuum that episode was incredible, but you’re right it wasted so much time
@@devinvez3869 why only episode 3?
@@manucr9183
As good as it was.....it didn't progress our main characters at all.
@@stefanlaterra5797 no that episode wasn’t “incredible” it was awful just like the rest of the show
Very good adaptation, still think it would have done slightly better with maybe 2 or 3 more episodes, finale felt like it went by so fast!
Alex sitting there thinking "you're criticising the show for the exact same reasons I said in the last review, and you disagreed with me"😅😅
If he could say that stuff but joe’s his boss lol rip
Joe literally forgets what he had for breakast. Dude has shit takes
What did I disagree with last Episode guys? I've always agreed the show is too short and that by the end we need to see more infected, well this is the end and not much more infected was shown, so really what the fuck are you talking about. Seriously. Do you always need a villain? Fuck I hate your dumb ass half cooked judge something before its done takes. Me being someone's boss has nothing to do with our discussions on our opinions on a fucking show. Have you ever had a friend who diagreed with you on a show mid season in your life? Or has everyones opinions always had to be correct eveb before something is completed with you or their a dumbass that should be ridiculed? What is this shit? Too early foe this shit I need a coffee and I hate coffee
@@AngryJoeShow mate I just want to know what made you lie about how “good” this show is?🤔I’ve watched you criticize far better shows/movies than this. And yet you gave a couple episodes of this garbage show a “10/10” what made you say that? Because I don’t think you or your mates actually believe this show is great.
My favorite game adaption in the live action was Ellie dropping a ladder for Joel and then disappearing causing the player to go find her lol
Ahhhha so funny
Yup, I also think this whole thing could have been avoided, if the The Fireflies, Ellie, and Joel sat together and talked about what was going to happen. Ellie probably could have talked Joel down and gave him closure, but the Fireflies were too impatient for that, and distrusting of Joel. It was doomed to happen cause this is a world where human respect is an afterthought and lies are better than truth, because apparently survival is the only thing that matters.
Thought that ever since I finished the first game. Also, my nurse friend said it was a bad decision to straight to killing your subject in the hopes of a cure. In reality, they ought to ramp up with blood samples up to even a biopsy, because once they're dead, the tissue decays and any medical value is lost.
ok so what happens if Fireflies ask and Ellie says "actually I don't wanna die", because they definitely didn't tell her that she would
@@MrGamzi91 Bro did you not watch the show? It is clear that Ellie has surivor's guilt and going off her "after all we've been through, it cant be for nothing", she wants to administer a cure no matter what.
and thanks to Joel, it was all for nothing.
@@10sansari no, you have no idea what her choice would be in advance. Her committing to some vague statement of "what we've been through cant be for nothing" doesn't mean she gave consent for you to kill her. In fact, even if she gave consent in advance it can easily be invalid when the moment comes. People can act brave and say they're willing to die until its time to actually face death.
You can guess, the only way to know is to give her the choice.
But besides that, your comment is off-topic because this thread is about the idea that the "fireflies should have asked", fireflies don't know anything about her commitment and conversations with Joel. And if they had any confidence about her willingness to die for the cure they wouldn't have hid the fact that she needed to die in the first place.
@@MrGamzi91 i played the second game and she makes it very clear in that to both Joel and the player that she would've done just that and try to make a cure, just as Joel would've stuck by his decision to save Ellie.
It's ridiculous how you can say i don't know what her choice would be when she literally states it.
Notice how Marlene in the game says "Out doctors think", while in the series the line was changed to "Our doctor thinks". This sets up what will be said in part 2, that Abby's dad was the only doctor alive capable of working a cure, thus making Joel's actions even more dooming for humanity.
Fuck humanity,😂,
I miss the tunnel scene, it was like the last big hurdle Ellie and Joel had to get over with their goal in sight. They are just suddenly there, it makes it all the more apparent the lack of zombies/infected in the movie. This place is so dangerous that Marlene's entire troop nearly got wiped out doing it but you barely see Joel and Ellie go through any of it. It makes me sad because apparently Part 2 will have room to breathe but this story only gets half told.
The part where Joel finds out about the failed operations and stuff is in Part 2, I think the game ended itself perfectly where no one is "right" or "wrong", Joel was being selfish and both the best and worst person to get Ellie to the Fireflies. The Fireflies were also morally gray, they wanted the cure even at the sacrifice of Ellie (even though it hurts Marlene) but there's no doubt they would have used the cure selfishly (ignoring Part 2 information). And in the end Ellie choose to trust Joel, she knows deep down things don't add up but chooses to believe him over her own logic so in a way you could say she was given a "choice" at the end to not believe Joel and try to get back to the Fireflies etc (not that it justifies his actions). I loved the complex morally gray open ending. The TV show was entertaining but I didn't feel that emotional hit.
@@zer0_cool well you already played the game, just like most of us. PS the fireflies are dead.
Nice to finally see Joel have a bad ass scene. Had been a little bit lol. Pacing, lack of infected and not giving Joel and Ellie more moments like the giraffe scene were some negatives of the entire season. Just made the emotional moments feel less emotional. Even with all of that it’s still one of the best video game adaptations ever.
The way the show portrayed Joel vs. the game is totally different.
In the game you were entirely sympathetic with Joel, and you understood why he had to save Ellie.
In this show they make him out to be a selfish man, and not much else.
He's a cold-killer, etc.
The show was pretty bad IMO.
@@drownthepoor pretty bad? Damn 😭😭
@@drownthepoor I wouldn't say bad, I'd say more realistic. You'd have to turn yourself away from empathy with the common man in order to do the things Joel has done, and honestly I don't know if I blame him. His fatal flaw isn't selfishness, it's love. Not love for the world or its people but love for those he's personally connected with (beit his daughter, Tess, Tommy, Ellie) and damn the world if it gets in between that toxic but undeniable love.
@@Joe-qt1qv In the game it was only certain that Ellie would die. It wasn't even great chances they'd be able to make a cure from her.
Add that to the fact she didn't even know, and it made perfect sense why Joel saved her vs. letting them operate. The way this ended Joel seemed wrong, and that's just not how it played out in the game.
BUT on top of that major tone change, they wasted precious episodes on things that could have been shortened, but kept.
The infected aren't even around that much, and when they are they're not even a major threat. IN the game you've killed so many of them, but you still needed to sneak and try to avoid them because they were that much of a threat. Especially Clickers.
This show sucked
I never actually stopped and thought about how the Fireflies aren't this benevolent force that would distribute the cure to everyone and this is actually a really good point for why Joel was right to not allow them to kill Ellie. When I watched the game a few weeks ago, I was really conflicted about Joel's choice, because at first I thought he had doomed humanity, but now I think he had just saved his adopted daughter from certain death.
@LRSB I mean they were instructed to kill him if he didn’t comply in leaving. They really didn’t give him much room for a diplomatic approach.
He'll get his head bashed in soon. FOOOUUUURRR!
@@lrsb1678 That was literally the only way to save her, at all. She was going to die for sure, and the cure was not for sure. But he had literally no way of saving her without killing everyone, and it was amazing he didn't kill the two nurses because I thought for sure they were going to do that.
They made Joel look way worse in the show. In the game you were on Joel's side and understood entirely why he had to save her.
@@mixwatcher265 Because they were afraid that he will do what he did?
It was great but felt rushed and on easy mode!
The series was really good, yet I still can’t help feeling disappointed. I guess maybe I went into it with high expectations because of how brilliant the game was. This finale especially left me quite upset because of how rushed it felt. Personally I think the biggest issues with this show was 1. The lack of infected 2. The lack of the spore threat (this was replaced by the “hive-mind” yet this made little difference as again, there was F-all infected) 3. The terrible pacing. I don’t know what it is about the show compared to the game, but for some reason the game felt like it had way better pacing. 4. Very little tension/stakes. Largely due to points 1 and 2.
I’m really split with this show. I liked it for the most part, yet I have this nagging feeling of something missing.
The ironic thing is the first 1-3 episodes were prob the best 😂
the pacing were off and it felt it was like this because the writers had an agenda, they would rather spend time with episodes like 3 and 7 rather than the actually important plot points for joel and ellie and rushed episodes 8 and 9 that could have been stretched to at least 3 episodes with 9 being at least an hour, but instead it felt super rushed, joel goes from dying to killing machine in seconds, we don`t spend time with ellie and then episode 9 was 40 minutes we hardly see joel helping ellie after her literally experiencing PTSD, the whole hospital shootout takes like 5 minutes
The infected were always present and a threat between episodes 1 - 5. First episode is the outbreak and then the aftermath, leaving humanity in shambles, so the infected are pretty terrifying. Second confirms our fears, establishing the hive network, confrontations with the dangerous clickers, and a horde. Third shows that even out in the country, infected still have a presence, as they can be found in stray buildings or even wandering to remote settlements. Episode four establishes a very clear unease in the absence of these infected, which we get teased at their existence still with the loose ground, which is confirmed in the fifth. Fifth episode, we get the largest horde we've seen yet, and the absolute carnage these infected can cause, with any small bite or scratch spelling the end for a character. After that, they barely have a presence. The only times we see infected after that horde is in flashbacks, first in Ellie's flashback to Rylie in episode seven, then Anna in the finale. They're just no longer a threat, and even just small interactions with more infected, particularly in episodes 6 and 9, would've really helped maintain the danger that they pose in the world. Instead we basically forget entirely about them. Flashbacks simply just don't cut it for infected presence in later episodes, and it shows.
Exactly, They did a great job, yet it was definitely missing what makes The Last of Us so great. The infected are a key ingredient. The terrifying threat was taken out almost completely.
@@BNG_Blind_Wolf they didn’t do a “great job” mate stop giving this show a pass
The Producers said in their Episode 9 podcast that a whole month has passed since what happened in Episode 8. I would’ve never guessed that, and they didn’t even try to make it obvious in the episode as well. That context would’ve been helpful.
It wasn't snowing anymore is the context. In the game, it was clearer since each "chapter" is divided by the seasons and the game tells you when it is summer, fall, winter or autumn.
@@akmal94ibrahim lol this. "Don't tell, show" is something that's talked about over and over again when critiquing movies and shows, yet when a show actually "shows and doesn't tell" people get annoyed
@@briantown6716 well it didn’t show because it was not apparent at all through visual cues. I personally thought it was a couple of days after ep. 8, but a whole month? Never would have guessed if I didn’t play the games
@@prettymurch426 the snow being gone and it being warmer looking and spring like isn't a visual clue?
Man Alex is a genius, not only he explained perfectly how the set up for the first game works with the fireflies being evil. The additions he suggests for the second game are perfect.
Yet Alex still constantly states that Joel never gave out his name in 1 and that he does it in 2 when it’s the opposite. The guys have a problem a lot lately where they compare things to old lore and get it wrong etc
The d riding is insane
Alex always has the best takes
@@steohara6353 lou2 has dog shit writing. Joel definitely would not have just let himself be outnumbered by strangers that he randomly helps LOL it’s the opposite of plot armor he just does because writer wants him dead
@@steohara6353 he's right it was Tommy. anyway Last of Us 2 writing was a joke.
I think that the writers, while hinting at it throughout, wanted the explosion of violence from Joel at the end to have an impact. In the game, which I've played multiple times, Joel is a killing machine from start to finish which makes the violence at the end just another killing spree.
Perhaps that is because in the game they are referring to Joel as a madman with a girl...
yup it made the show work better than the game.
@LikeNobodii hmm thats a good point it did feel that way to be honest but at the end of the day its based on a vidyagame so you have to accept goofiness to an extent.
@LikeNobodii yup he’s a fantastically inconsistent character 🤷♂️has been the whole time in this show
@LikeNobodii They didn't downplay his capabilities. We're constantly told how he's capable of great violence all throughout. Tommy's wife basically warns Ellie.
was there really 11 others? i remember it from games and this season being mentioned only once, from joel to ellie after he killed fireflies. I understand is as a lie to ellie just to sell it better.
She really was the only one, but to convince her, he said they stopped looking for cure because it didn't worked 11 times before
In the game, Joel finds multiple medical records, indicating that no breakthroughs had been made. So, he decides Ellie's death isn't worth a "what if".
There was no 11 other immune people. Ellie was unique in that. The other operations they mentioned in the game was doing those on newly infected people, not immune people, they died for the knowledge of how it infects the brain. I don't know where they got there was 11 other immune people.
@@TacoFist Still no guarantee that the operation would've worked
@@narc440 yeah I 100% agree, my comment was more towards the "we tried this on 11 other immune people and it didn't work" comment. I still think it wouldn't have worked, maybe just aided in finding a cure but not been the answer to said cure. I would have taken her out of there too.
@@TacoFist Same but I feel like show leaned more on joel being the bad guy. Could've made it more gray with a bit more runtime
At this point, Alex needs more respect, without him I wouldnt watch this show. He is always spot on
Imagine.
Not always
@@curemyboredom6622 fair enough, I dont mean 100 percent of the time
I've always loved how naughty dog stuck with this ending in the game. I feel like any other game developer would've had a "good" or "bad" ending for the player to choose. Props to them for sticking with this choice and having truly a great ending. 👍🏻
It would be naive to think that the Fireflies would share the cure with other survivors outside their group, especially their arch enemies FEDRA.
I'm still of the opinion that there was no way they had the logistical operation set up to even produce one. One sample to create, test, and mass produce? Nah
@@Aaron-dt9puyes it works in the game since it’s completely fictional, but they’ve built the show based on realism of how fungus work. Making a cure is impossible in those circumstances, they literally say ‘’do we have enough power’’ when Joel enters the room
Another major change that I’m surprised people aren’t talking about is that the Fireflies attacked Joel and Ellie with a bomb while their backs were turned and knocked them out. In the game, they already found Ellie knocked out after she almost drowned. Having them cowardly attack two unarmed people while their backs were turned without even questioning them (like Tommy’s people did) shows they truly are scumbags and not good people at all. It also gave Joel even more reasons to distrust them.
I’m thinking the same thing. If they gave both Joel and Elle the opportunity to present their gameplan, Elle could have convinced Joel to go ahead with the procedure. Instead, Joel used his heart instead of his head, distrusting the Fireflies immediately, and sending him to “fight or flight” mode. His instincts took over because the Fireflies unnecessarily rushed the surgery without Joel’s input, considering the damn guy protected her for almost a year at this point.
@@mjbudziak yup they were scumbags, a doctor takes hippocratic oath he cant harvest a kids organ without informing the patient first, marlene promised her best friend to protect ellie she is scum for failing and not telling ellie the truth, it should still be ellies choice because its ellies life, joel is a dirtbag for lying to his fake daughters face, he should of at least told her why he got her out of there and he wanted to be certain its her choice but no hes just selfish and wants a new fake daughter, well all the scumbags died so i guess its karma.
@@mjbudziak Y'all need to relax. The Fireflies didn't "bomb" Ellie and Joel lol They used a flashbang, which is a non lethal weapon. They didn't know who the hell those ppl were, since they had no clue Joel and Ellie were on their way to the hospital, so they weren't gonna march strangers to the Firefly home base awake. 2ndly, they didn't know the surgery would kill Ellie until they put her under and examined her, so there was no time to ask Joel anything. And lastly, there's no way Joel would have been "convinced" by Ellie to let her die. How do we know this? In Part 2 Ellie TOLD HIM she wanted to make that sacrifice, and even after she did, he said he would have made the SAME choice.
@@KoolKeithProductions but thats five years later.
@@KoolKeithProductions bruh tf u mena relax they did fucking bombed then and also lord to them aswell joel was right to kill ‘em off
It’s fun seeing people’s first time reaction to this episode who never played the games
Somebody like that didn't drop the show after first few episodes, being bored to death ?
@@DrSid42 Never played the game, and yes, it's fantastic without prior knowledge. That is not to say we don't want more infected as well😅, but I suppose budgetary issues? If so, incredible what they managed to pull off. Great series, can't wait for season 2. Hopefully more carnage!!!😂
@@DrSid42 wow, you're so cool and special!!!
Dropped after the first few eps but bothered enough to go into a video about a finale to let people know you dont like a show. Let me guess? You also call things woke every other sentence?
My girlfriend has watched me play the last of us on and off for years. She has never seen me play through start to finish, but I guess I've played enough times and she has picked up enough of it that she generally knows what's going on. It's funny cause she doesn't exactly just sit around watching me play games. It's an incredible testament to the game that she has retained so much from me playing so many different times over the years and she putting the pieces together. Was very interesting watching this show together, and we both loved it.
She knows a lot less about last of us two as I only beat it a couple times
@@TRUEbASNER I think HBO wasn't sure how big the show would be so they held back a bit on the budget, but now that it's been a massive critical and commercial hit I think we'll see a way bigger budget for season 2.
The problem they have is that they forgot that the characters interactions with the infected also formed the bonds between characters. They didn't necessarily need fight scenes they could have had a more stealthy tone to episodes. They focused way to much on the humans ... like the added characters that didn't need to exist, those episodes could have used those for the end to a much better effect.
That's because the human characters in this show and also in the game are far scarier than any Infected. David alone was legitimately more terrifying than the Bloater in this show. It's just like Bill says to Joel in the game.
"At least the Infected are predictable. It's the normal people that scare me. You of all people should know that, right Joel?"
@@isaacbeeby2528 ya ya give us more infected. The humans are the worst trope is overused.
You guys were spittin’ facts this episode, spot on with almost everything, good job Alex. A 40 minute season finale is just ridiculous, it’s absolutely unbelievable. For such a huge moment to be reduced to that amount is madness.
This is why episode 3 was nothing more than a agenda push.
Completely disconnected the kid element in Ellie, and made bill just a empty character. No handcuff scene the stealing of the magazine and that whole scene with all three. If they went that route for ep3 would’ve been way better. Interactive elements with the infected, and really seeing Bills skills and mindset of a survivalists. Not to mention! They killed him off 🤦🏽♂️
How long do you think this stuff actually takes to get through in the game?
@@matthewkz It takes about an hour to get through the hospital in the game. The show skipped the entire sequence of the infected in the tunnels and most of the hospital. The finale I thought was great but I can see why some called it “rushed”. All the episodes were great individually but it definitely could of used a bit more of a longer runtime for each episode, or just have more episodes.
@@devinvez3869 What agenda was it pushing? If it was about a hetrosexual couple, would it be pushing an agenda too? Bill and Frank are both white males, can we say it was pushing a white male agenda?
As a huge fan of the games, I'm pretty pissed with the way they portrayed Joel toward the end of the series. They made him overly emotional and almost clingy to Ellie at the end. They also purposefully filmed the final scenes as if Joel was a mass shooter instead of a father going on a rescue mission to save his daughter (as he sees it). The slow motion scenes of the brass hitting the floor, the music, his mannerisms during the incident were all done in a way to make him seem evil. I hate that. In his mind he's the hero, he's not mindlessly killing people, he's killing people who are trying to kill his daughter. The Fireflies are just another agency assaulting his family like the Army did episode 1. The fact they didn't do this justice so they can soften up the audience for season 2 is almost as unforgiveable as their treatment of GoT at the end.
Yeah my buddy and I just agreed the pacing was way off! At times there didn’t feel like there was enough at stake. Even the giraffe scene while beautiful it didn’t feel earned. What I mean is in the game that scene was a breath of fresh air compared to everything you’ve been through. So yeah 9 episodes wasn’t enough.
I was amazed at how good the giraffe looked though. Because I thought a lot of the CGI was terrible for other things.
@@drownthepoor I believe the giraffe was real
@@drownthepoor It was a real trained giraffe named Nabo. The real CGI was the background as they put bluescreen around her enclosure.
@@Nolaris3 I'm so glad you told me that. I was genuinely impressed by the CGI, and now it makes sense lol.
The moment Joel recognized his love for Ellie...anyone who tried to hurt her was going to die. And that means everyone. It's a brutal scene.
Last Of Us part 1 FULL game MOVIE in 4K in only 5hrs on UA-cam uploaded by Gamer's Little Playground. Way better than show. Better action, story and characters. *WATCH*
@@REDRUMEDICIUS🤡🗑️
I don't believe their relationship. A few stupid shared jokes doesn't make someone their surrogate daughter.
@@emhu2594 🤡
he did not love ellie, he loves sarah.
Watched with a friend who doesn’t play video games at all, and went in with me hyping up how good of a story it is and yet again at the end he asked, “ That’s it? “
I think this is exactly what I said when I played it for the first time at 14 y/o lol
What more was your friend expecting I mean obviously he doesn’t know dog on nothing about tlou
@@theghostofsparta4528 I think people that played the games automatically fill in a lot of the missing pieces that build up Ellie and Joel's relationship. None of that is present in the show making it feel more tell than show. This also means what are clearly meant to be emotional moments ring a bit hollow. The show could've used about 3-4 more episodes centered on Joel and Ellie's relationship to bring the show only folks up to speed with where the gamers were, but they chose to go a different way with it.
Well for a show its really not THAT special. It's well made but its nothing new. But as an adaptation of a 2013 game, which at the time was pretty groundbreaking especially for a video game, it was really good.
@@TargetDestroyed96 I didn't play the game but I have a co worker that has. The characters are quite hollow in this. I barely cared about any of these characters. Barely any zombie threat. My co worker completely agreed. You want a better zombie show. Watch the first few Walking Dead seasons.
So I've never played the games and it's been really interesting getting your guys perspective on the series having played them. I will say that even without playing the games the pacing issues are more than apparent. Some narrative threads and episodes are given more than enough room to breathe while others feel so brief and rushed that it almost makes you wonder why they even included them. You can sense the gaps where things were likely fleshed out more in the games which is certainly disappointing as I wish they would've had more episodes or not felt the need to cram the entirety of the first game into the first season. Doing so definitely hurt the pacing and quality of the writing this season overall.
I never played the games (yet), but I did feel that Ellie's and Joel's relationship was a tinybit rushed. It did need an episode in there where the two of them were alone against some infected.
After the incident in the previous hospital early in the season, Ellie and Joel never encountered any infected while Ellie was clearly shouting at the streets and and going guns blazing without any care in the world.
I think there should have been at the very least some kind of infected scene when Ellie separated from Joel on this episode. Just to atleast show that Ellie is capable of fighting still even after what happened last episode and that could have been the final connection they needed where they both save each other in some way.
Definitely happens in the game exactly as you describe sadly
That happens in the game. You'll get to understand Joel's decision to save Ellie in the end because of the bond and survival you have to go through with (and without) her. Hopefully now you got to play it
The shooting in the hospital was handled great! Seeing Joel go full on terminator was amazing to watch! I am interested in seeing how they will construct the second game in the next two seasons so I will definitely stay tuned for that.
Edit: But damn I really wished we saw them double teaming on a bloater underground and the potential drowning in the bus actually showing and not telling that Ellie can’t swim. Yeah I agree that this should’ve been split in two but I’m still pretty satisfied with what we got. I’ll give season 1 a n 8.5 out of 10. Really good but unfortunately rushed.
It was a great scene although I do wish they'd let the surgeon talk it out more, as in the game you have the option to hear the surgeon justify why he grabs the knife, although I guess some people just went guns blazing and shot all of them before they could even speak 😂
You commented before even watching Joe's video 🤣
TOO BAD THE VA DIDN'T PUT ABBY TO SLEEP.
@@MrEverisforeverLol you were right, and I took that one out😂
@@benicus18 He menaced Joel with a Scalpel. Big mistake.
This show was not perfect on its own. Joel’s outburst was so not earned since they didn’t really have chemistry
Not having ellie drowning was a loss because so much tension leads up to it. When it happens there is not only payoff because ellie mentioned she can't swim but there is also an incredible desperation behind joel to protect her.
Agree. Some things were mentioned and never adressed again."ellie cant swim", mentionend once, never comes up again. Tendrils and hive mind thing? Only in episode 2, then never mentioned again
@@Revan-eb1wb it explains the magic giant horde that shows up in part2
One thing that really bothered me (and granted I love this show and thought they did overall really well) is that Marlene acts like Ellie is family and “understands” more than Joel but when we see Eli with Marlene for the first time she is chained up… and Marlene is acting like she doesn’t know if Ellie is going to turn…. But apparently acts like she’s known her since Ellie was born… so either this was a mess up in the script writing or she has had Ellie chained up her WHOLE LIFE and just waiting to see if Ellie will turn. Idk this felt like a major question to me of how they tried to portray it like Marlene was hurt by this and “knew Ellie since she was a child” . Not to mention Ellie also says everyone she’s known or loved has abandoned her and ELLIE CHOOSES JOEL. I don’t remember Marlene acting like she’s known Ellie her whole life in the game… am I wrong or forgetting something?
Ellie was bit in the mall, but changed from the game that she was always infected. So either no one bothered to test her, she did not show as infected until after she was bit, or the show made a big change with out considering how it should have affected earlier scenes.
Agree with the rating. Great adaptation, sets an example for other VG adaptations. Yet, I can't help but feel this was rushed in favor of Season/part 2. Like they couldn't wait for this to be over. I hope I'm wrong, but they could have done so much more. My biggest gripe is that we didn't get enough time with both Joel and Ellie build that bond like in the game and that the only threat was the Fireflies and Joel himself.
No FEDRA, no Clickers, No Raiders, No Slavers. They were not on the back of your mind while they are moving from point A to B. We get more time with other characters that didn't matter to move the story forward, yet important things happen in less than 20min. TY guys for being honest and not afraid to express what really is on your minds.
I feel like after tess dies the infected are no longer really a threat. Which is a big divergence from the games.
Where was the stealth scene in the tunnels surrounded by clickers? Or the great battle with the infected in Bill's compound?
The unique thing I was looking forward to was the infected. It's what made me excited to watch it with my parents. Everytime a new infected came up on screen they would litterly go " What is that!" Then they went away from that and I felt the show lost steam.
My mom didn't play the games, she sumed it up perfectly; "where the hell are all the zombies?"
@@sevenevils8282 plenty of generic zombie films out there, stick one of them on instead then.
@@archie1420 pathetic response
@@archie1420 No. No, I don't think I will.
@@sevenevils8282 Great 👍
I think the story with Sam does more than enough to show why Ellie would want to create the cure so badly. He could’ve been saved if it existed.
I guess if they were already carrying some cure on them. It seems people turn too quickly to make it to a place with the cure. Unless the cure can turn back a completely zombified person.
Yea especially in a world with only 100 infected 😊
> My wife never played the games, and she hates Zombie movies/shows. She knew I wanted to watch this and after she decided to watch it with me, she got hooked. She loved it all but even as a zombie hater, she asked me why there wasn't more infected...
Overall. Great show, but a bad decision to leave out the infected. From the perception of my wife.
If they really are planning to split Part 2 into multiple Seasons, here's something interesting that they could do. As players of the game know, Part 2 starts off 5 years later, and there are flashbacks to that gap several times as you progress. What if the show decided to tell the story closer to chronological order, and expand on that 5 year gap, rather than just starting Season 2 off 5 years later?
I think this is what they should do. Season 3 begins with Abby encountering Joel and Ellie, and then that's season 3.
Be cooler if season 2 is Ellie and season 3 is The hulk I mean Abbey
I think that is the most likely scenario. Pedro Pascal is red hot right now and they don't want to get to that inevitable part to early in part 2. They could probably also do a better job of setting up that part and if they cast Abby correctly. That and Bella Ramsey is a rock star actress but I don't know if she is ready to carry the series yet.
Exactly what I first thought when the show came on. I still think the first game needed two seasons but for sure the 2nd game should play out like that. I don’t think they will do it like this since the way this season played out but hopefully they see people saying this and do it like this.
@@rylangrimes88 Ellie wasn't ready to carry the second game but they did it anyways and thats why i think a lot of people hated it. they can blame it on bigots all they want but IMO the story just wasn't that good. if they choose to kill off early in season two like the game. they are going to loose veiwers. they built joel different for the show. they humanized him way more so all the people who felt joel deserve to die in the second game have no leg to stand on now. personally i loved ellie in the first game. i absolutely couldn't stand her in the second game. she was rude, ungrateful and downright unlikable. im sure they did that to make people like abby but she was a shit character as well.
Can we get a video discussing if this is one of the most overrated pieces of entertainment ever? The finale&season was boring, besides the clicker episode which felt like Last of Us 1. Barely any feeling of danger or threats. Themes of loneliness and sacrifice are executed like a hallmark film. They walk into the camp without any worries, in the open discussing their feels (wasn't enough bonding with these 2 actors to care) and get flashbanged. The climax is pedro walking through the hospital like a cheap b action film, didn't feel anything like the video game. They could have made it exciting at least..
100% with you, I can appreciate that they stayed as faithful as they did while still feeling disappointed that so much of the show was just Mehh. Comparing it to a B movie/Hallmark movie is spot on, I hated how much exposition they made Pedro do, show don't tell.
@@ktrev34 Agreed, LoU1 felt epic. Having a pack of zombies chasing you with certain death if they catch you... while protecting/mentoring an important child was thrilling, the season felt so empty and shallow, no matter how many times they tried to project a message. Oh well. Time to giggle and forget about this lol.
Too few episodes and too few infected. I think otherwise the season was pretty good, last episode was handled quite well!
Based on the show. The infected seem an after thought. I loved the show, the ending... Spock would claim The good of the many out weighs the needs of the few, or the one.
The ending was good, for sure, just wanted to see more of the infected. Especially since they were excellent when there.
Fellow brother of Nod. 😂
in the end it felt way way too rushed. The fact that they weren't enough zombies around decreased the amount of tension and risk they had to take for the whole travel and it also made Joel look way too weak to actually take on a whole facility of fireflies by himself. Even the scene with him running through the hospital is like 2-3 minutes long and it just feels sooo rushed. No tension, no focus, just a continuous shot and..that's it. Pacing was weak af.
I never played the games and I 100% feel like it started to get very rushed in the ladder half of the season
Fyi it’s “latter” in future lol
But they put 2 episodes entirely dedicated outside the main story story and inserted a filler villain in Kansas city that took up almost 30 minutes within two episodes.
I don't understand why Ellie is an anomaly when the episode seemed to suggest they leader of the fireflies knew how she was immune. If that is the case it also raises the question why risk the transfer instead of recreating the effect. It isn't like they have a moral issue with killing if it leads to a cure.
I don't know it just kind of seemed like a needless addition to a well written story. One that seriously undercuts the Both the end and the rest of the story itself. Though I don't know if that was in the game or something added to solve a mystery that didn't need to be solved
Also the show implied that another kid was immune. Remember the kid from the first episode. He's walking and he has a small scratch on his leg but he doesn't act infected. FEDERA kills that kid because he shows infected. That kid was probably another example of a kid with immunity.
She didnt know hoe she was immune, Ellies mom lied about when she cut the cord
@@zombieshoot4318 pretty sure the kid was freshly infected.
Well this would be spoiler territory if you haven’t played Part 2 of the games which go into a bit more detail
@@KeiFresh I understand that but it also showed she wasn't sure about that. Given that she is part of a group actively searching for a cure it doesn't make much sense that she wouldn't follow up on that. Again this group is willing to kill for it's goals, and not to be harsh but a orphan with no connection but you with a possible immunity would seem to be important to test.
Assuming she did believe the mother still following up on that years later when she sees Ellie is immune it would have been far easier to pass along the information then the actual person. Though you could have done both the show to me suggests she never bothered. That again is information that could be critical to her life's work.
Either way the origin of Ellie's immunity didn't add anything. Instead it just opened up this needless plot hole. I wouldn't have said anything but the show has been so well written up to this point I had to wonder why and where it came from
I would rate this season as a 7/10. The first two episodes were the best because they immersed the viewer in the post-apocalyptic world. There were great opening scenes (epidemiologists and mycologists) that portrayed a dangerous world and the episodes portrayed this. Afterward, in episode 3 and beyond, the show never recaptured that terrifying post-apocalyptic world consisting of both INFECTED and humans. Consequently, the suspense was lost and it became human vs human as opposed to human vs human vs infected. The lack of infected destroys the immersion and the development of Joel and Ellie's relationship.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I mean episode 5 is a thing regarding the infected. But this isn't the Walking Dead with mindless meatbags wandering around. The show does a good job showing the infected as really dangerous, even a single one. Every time except for episode 3 we had infected there was death.
@@naftulzvi3353 I never said that the infected weren't dangerous. I'm saying the lack of infected breaks the immersion.
@@stevenreynolds4338 Sounds like a personal problem lol.
@@naftulzvi3353 Okay.
I was missing the scene from the game, when Ellie was staring at the deer silhouette and not paying attention to Joel. That was a strong interpretation of the trauma she went trough.
Great adaptation 8/10 for me, but the game did it better.
The worlds lacks the danger of the game, no spores means the only way to get infected is by other infected, and there are just not many around for the most part.
It felt like the infection was almost solved and they didnt need a medicine anymore.
I just wanted more time with Ellie and Joel, i loved the scenes they had togeather.
I also didnt need the backstory why Ellie is immune, that kinda takes the mistery away, and if the fireflys knew how she was immune they would have 100% tried to replicate it. (and marlene knew so they absolutely did know what happened to Ellie as a baby)
lol.
totally rushed the story. This was The Fast of Us.
@@purefoldnz3070they don’t have an infinite budget mate.
@@willraven2302 neither did the game. Lack of finances is a criticism directed at HBO, not the writers, but it's still a criticism of the show
@@willraven2302 And? It's like a video game developer that tries to make an amazing game with relatively low budget and end up being not as well delivered. Would you justify that? It doesn't excuse them in my opinion.
Somehow the look on Ellie's face in the final scene gave me a feeling that she knew it was going to be more than just blood extraction and Joel made that choice. Felt it ended abruptly. I have not played the game and enjoyed the series. And yes, it's too short :)
The game ends the same exact way, but yeah the show as a whole was too short.
Too short for what? Filler from the game? Gimmicks from the game play?
@@vidmasterK1 so you want zero action and zero zombie killing in a zombie show?
@@raidengoodman8754 it's *not a zombie show*
@@vidmasterK1 you’re right cause they’re barely in it
Best news I've heard all day is HBO says they're planning "more than one season" to tell us the last of us part 2. Cause good show, but if it had more time it could be a great show. Love your reviews, just finished watching and immediately checked. Perfect timing. :)
If they gonna base it off the game.. they might as well stop here.... they just gonna piss off gamers again and the series only watchers.
@@younggun3948 no troll, plenty of us gamers actually liked part 2, in my case it's my favorite game of all time, the people whining about that game are a vocal minority.
@@jadedheartsz nah a majority hate part 2, and for good reasons too.
@@jadedheartsz part two sucks
@@jadedheartsz I'd say it's a split, since part 2 truly divided the fanbase. Most of the people who liked part 2 either didn't play the first part, or didn't really fall in love with Joel and Ellie's dynamic, because part 2 simply butchers all of the OG characters to simply serve the plot.
Honestly still thought Troy bakers performance was better. Pedro’s just felt stilted or dry at times when delivering the iconic lines. I do think his best scene is when he’s talking about almost committing suicide in episode 9.
It was too short . But the episode was great . Very compelling, especially the scene Joel telling Ellie the truth about his scar.
I think the only reason people are saying that is because they are looking at the runtime and are like “oh look it’s the shortest episode “. Try not to think about the runtime when you watch.
@@Tillyard86 um no. there were many scenes that should have been included in the show. with this kind of budget & cast i don’t get why HBO didn’t go all out on this series.
@@Legendaryhotwing45 what do you feel they should have included?
Great finale, but where are all the infected at?!?! Did they just run the f*** away?!?! Season 2 needs to bring them back big time.
Well I’ve got some news for you the seconds game itself had barely any infected so that means it’s gonna be worse for the season 2
last of us isnt about zombies, its about the characters...
The infected are the least interesting part of the show
I kind of liked the way the show did it. Except for episode 3 every infected encounter ended up in a companion to Joel and Ellie dying. It made the infected feel really strong and menacing. Any appearance of them means shit is going down.
They’ve confirmed that there will be a lot more infected in season 2. They can’t bring them in too much , otherwise it would get boring as they always beat them.
I really enjoyed the season., but as someone who knows about the game but never played it, pacing was a huge issue for me. For the big characters where you knew you were supposed to feel something when something happened, I didn't. We spent hardly any time with them (outside of Joel and Ellie).
The threat of infected wasn't there for most of the season, which was a shame. Hope that they expand on it in the next season
We needed more infected, and I also wish they didn't episodize secondary characters. I loved the Bill episode in a vacuum, 10/10, but they absolutely should've strung him along a few episodes instead of isolating his story to one. That is what they were initially going to do they said, but then changed their mind.
This was a pretty mediocre season 1 all the way around
It was rushed, not much context, no real threat of the infected (almost every episode never had any infected) didn’t have enough bonding between Joel and Ellie to have a real weight to the ending. Walking Dead did it better
I just realized we didn't get the subway scene and now I feel dead inside
And we didn’t get the Pittsburgh area at all.
@@lintlickers they replaced Pittsburgh with Kansas City
@@dacoldstone3764 I know but, still, makes me feel kinda like macaroni with no cheese,
the one major change they made, is that if you fully explore the final chapter in the game, you find that joel wasn't lying. They actually DID find others with the immunity and bisect them, and it didn't work. This makes Joel's choice a lot more clear cut. He isn't giving up ellie to save the world, only a tiny chance that they have failed at over and over again. I think over the course of the games story they have retconned all those audio logs and wanted to make Joel's decision more controversial.
It’s been awhile since I’ve played but I really don’t remember anyone mentioning that there were other people that were immune. I remember the recordings left behind by the doctors but I thought they were talking about experiments on infected people not immune.
They clearly wanted to make Joel seem more selfish in this show. In the game you fully understood why Joel needed to save her, and you knew that it was only certain that she would die. It wasn't certain or even likely that they'd be able to get a cure.
@@JanXD91 there are notes that you can find. There is the information about others with immunity
If you pay attention before Joel goes inside the surgery room the camera kinda made that "room" more of a focus . I think it's a nod? To that note about the failed surgeries
@@khaki_man While they had other patients, he never said the others were immune. He talks about the fungus being mostly normal in comparison to normal infected patients; however, Ellie's immune response is different, and the fungus appears not to affect regions of the brain that it normally would.
So yes, Joel lied to her. Not only that, but he also said the Fireflies stopped looking for a cure. Yet another lie.
It’s so weird how we only got real infected in maybe 2 episodes of the entire show.
Both showrunners flat out said it was not that type of show
@@Noclaf555 but it IS that type of game sooo….
@@Noclaf555 fair. But even with that being the case it didn't seem like the show was paced well or the relationship progression didn't seem like it was given enough time.
@@squeezeslemons and the game has not changed, tv shows are thank God are different.
@@dakwonju look can't please everyone, if the strung it out you can bet everything this thread would be full of OMG FILLER!
People who say Joel is "evil" are just desperate. They can"t allow themselves to admit how stupid the writing is.
Most faithful game to Film/TV adaption to date and the absolutely naaaailed it.
Very delusional
I'm pretty sure we got an Abby teaser, not Laura Bailey but Actual Abby. In the corridor right before the scene with the guy surrenders and Joel shoots him. There's a sillouette of what looks like girl with a braid running away that Joel doesn't shoot which may or may not be Abby
If you rewatch it it’s just a guy with a backpack
Yes, it's at the 30 minutes mark. I think you may be right, though the braid looks a little bit like a piece of fabric flapping through the air
Well Bailey did play the nurse. So I'm betting Season 2 will open with Abby's first flashback sequence and we'll see the finale from her perspective again. Maybe give Bailey a bit more to do on the show.
@@benwasserman8223 just cos bailey played the nurse doesn't mean that's Abby..
@@toxicradiation7485 so you're not ruling it out then
If you play the game you have all the infected to deal with so they feel like a very real threat. The lack of infected in the show makes it seem like they are not much of an issue so then it begs the question why is finding a cure so important? In the game it makes the choice that Joel makes at the end a great debating point but it loses that in the tv show.
Wtf.
There is no debate. Informed consent in this bitch - solved. Marlene had some hack doctor with shitty equipment and basically wanted to jinx the cure. Joel "maybe" doomed humanity. Ellie should be presented with every information availabe before making a choice.
You can tell there was a pacing issue by watching the recap at the beginning of the last episode… they recapped the whole season so far but the recap didn’t include anything from episode 3 or the Kansas City substitute teacher group. So basically 3 out of the 9 episodes didn’t add to the story enough to include in the recap.
Laura Bailey also played a nurse in that scene in the game. So she's technically reprising her role here!
Joel lying at the end brought me back to them coming up on the dam. After Joel tells Ellie he has no idea how it makes electricity, she tells him she would have believed him if he made something up.
Here's my rating for each episode.
Ep 1- 9/10 powerful cold open and the entire opening portion of the game was executed exactly the way I expected it. Kudos to the actress playing Sarah. Knocked it out of the park!
Ep 2- 9.5/10 another powerful cold open with the scientist in Indonesia. Great clicker action and the Tess storyline was executed brilliantly.
Ep 3- Nick Offerman is a legend and the relationship between Bill and Frank was beautiful and the way the episode ended was heartbreaking. It deserves a 9/10 but changing it to 6/10 since it really worked as a separate story but didn't add much to the whole show. So the 1.5 hour runtime could have been given to the finale.
Ep 4- 6/10 I didn't care about the Kathleen character and her motivation at all. There were some good action scenes with Joel and the bandits but the Kathleen stuff was just not needed.
Ep 5- 9/10 loved the infected scene. Sam and Henry were brilliantly portrayed. The whole Bloater and clicker sequence worked for me imo.
Ep 6- 9/10 loved Jackson and the whole ellie/joel relationship here. The whole joel/Tommy scene was executed to perfection.
Ep 7- 5/10 i loved the dlc but the story didn't fit here. The whole story could have been told in 20 minutes. Easily a filler episode and imo the worst episode.
Ep 8- 10/10 I truly loved David/Ellie confrontation and the episode as a whole. Truly the best episode of the whole season
Ep 9- 7/10. They could have added more. The episode felt rushed. The finale should have been 1.5 hours in length and not half an hour. Man I am a little ticked off.
Overall- season 1 is 8.8/10. A very good and faithful adaptation but they really were stingy with the infected and chose to give certain filler episodes more runtime than the episodes that deserved it.
Spot on.
The fanfiction episode was an hour and 15 fucking minutes.
I didn't even care that Joel killed the Fireflies, in the hospital. Joel was in the hospital for like 8min. If I went to the restroom I would have missed the entire hospital scene. Joel was basically killing a bunch of NPCs. Heck, the infected are such a minor problem throughout the show who cares about a cure 🫣.
Sad they’re giving part 2 multiple seasons, but had no problem with rushing through the first game. Almost like druckmann really wants to push his story forward 🧐
EDIT: also thought i’d mention. In the game Marlene is saying they’ll develop a *vaccine* from Ellie. A *vaccine* . Not a *cure* like show Marlene says. A vaccine and cure are way different: a vaccine prevents others from getting infected in the future, a cure would get rid of any infection an infected person already has. Almost like druckman wants to paint Joel as a deranged lunatic to try to have Joel’s death in part 2 make sense? I really don’t know
you are reaching with semantics for one. Second it has always been druckmann's story. He's the creative director of the first game. Straley was there for the gameplay primarily. The story for both part 1 and 2 are Druckmann's creation. I don't know why haters of the second game act like he's just out here bastardizing a story that he only had a small hand in. He's always been a major driving force behind the game. It's why he's a creator of the show.
It's probably more to do with HBO now having the confidence to commit to a 2 part adaptation of the second game after the first season was so successful. I dont know per say, but I'd bet it plays a part.
thats because thanks to real life we know vaccines suck.
This was super rushed, the sudden transition in Joel's behaviour made him almost look fanatic, obsessed, which he kinda is, but it's kinda creepy and it definitely makes Joel look like the bad guy for sure.. The lack of infected was a bummer, the ending felt random' The pacing was so fast, it went ; "Please, Ellie, be my good baby girl! I'll kill any and everyone for you! Oh I mean, I did't do anything, I swear!" the end. I wished they would have lingered a bit more on the last shot and maybe.. Shot it better..? I don't know it didn't feel satisfying at all.
Yeah this show sucks I’m right with ya🤝
well yeah he is obsessed with sarah thats the point.
My main gripe with this series is how horribly miscast Ellie is with Bella Ramsay being plain INSUFFERABLE for most of the episodes. You could just rename her as Androgynous Bossy Obnoxiously Smug Know-it-all Smartass Protagonist, Shoehorning in all the LGBTQ Crusader shit inside and outside of the show also was a bad move. I fear it was a missed opportunity for something truly great.
I watched the entire show with a friend that did play the game, we enjoyed the show for different reasons and overall excited for season 2/3