May I add: 11:14 Mason said one direction and the editor put in a random photo of harry styles on a treadmill I mean come on you guys if there were oscars for youtube editors this would at the very least be nominated
I really hope his bacta tank flashback is just him becoming the prisoner of a tribe of sand people who he then befriends. Like that flashback is just a side effect of the brand of tanks they use.
Quinlan Voss was one of the only characters George Lucas told comic/novel writers for the expanded universe they couldn’t touch… I believe he was meant to be the main character of a live-action show being planned in the late 90’s
I like that she looks normal, not even necessarily intimidating. Makes sense leia trusted her, she's the only Inquisitor that doesn’t look like a cyborg demon nazi
@@teodellorcio4590 half of the universe looks messed up. In episode 3 she had no issue walking up star nose mole face cab driver. I don’t think her looking normal had much to do with it.
My problem is that she isn't fun to watch because she doesn't DO anything. We're led to believe that she is somehow more competent than her peers, but they've never actually shown us that. The most she's done is come up with a scheme to lure out Kenobi, which worked by absolute chance, and parkour across a city scape. The latter had me laughing, because it was so clearly a "look at this badass! parkour is awesome!" moment yet was ultimately pointless. She didn't even catch up to Obi-wan after all that effort.
My favourite parts include when Obi Wan is talking with Leia. I think it's really interesting to see their connection, especially how it leads to Leia viewing Ben as her "only hope" years down the line. I also really liked the scenes where Obi Wan talks about Padme, or when Leia reminds him of her mother.
@@wolfgangrecordings it definitely is, I think that's likely just down to the natural tangle of details when the universe started really expanding. I always wondered what it would be like to see Leia truly unlocking her force potential in Canon but I guess Disney ruined that with the sequels lol
You would think in a universe where they can make super advanced robot limbs they’d have a better solution for Darth Vader than just “live in a tank and then a big suit that sounds like a scuba diver” XD no wonder he’s in a bad mood all the time
yea in Canon, he could've been given a much better suit but Palpatine gave him one w outdated, ancient sith technology to keep him in pain all the time
I was honestly so glad that you guys actually had positive things to say about this show. People seem to really hate it, but I don't really understand why. Sure, some of the writing isn't great and I don't love all of the characters, but we're still only halfway through and I'd say that I've enjoyed most of it so far. It's far from perfect, but I genuinely don't understand why there's so much hate.
Its fine that you enjoyed it but if you don't understand why most people hate it then thats really a you problem. RotS is my favourite SW film but I understand why others don't like it. Kenobi is a horrible show that is indicative of the modern writer mentality.
Nope. I's actually kind of bad in some spots. Badly directed in a few scenes, unintentionally funny, introduces kid Leia not only because it's the safest formula for our roughed up protagonist to go through his character arc but also because we have to introduce another thing that fans can recognize... It just feels... awkward. The showrunner also said that the show was going to be a character study similar to Logan, but the difference is that Logan was generally a slower burn which made his predicament more believable and grounded while Obi-Wan just feels like any other Star Wars show. If there's a Star Wars show that should've been great it's this one, and I'm really said that it isn't. Also, Obi-Wan meeting Darth Vader kind of ruins continuity and negates all meaning to their encounter in A New Hope.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan of over 2 decades, who has gone through multiple periods of denial and subsequent acceptance to deal with the vastly changing quality of this universe I can't stop loving (and the fucking abhorrent fan base that continues to make me feel ashamed at each new release), the consistent coverage of Star Wars by you guys as "Mason points out x plot hole/poor continuity between stories, James quietly mentions y fix that was created by some talented EU author that no one outside of obsessive fans know, before swiftly moving the conversation on." I relate strongly, you're both great and hilarious in discussing this franchise and it's fan base with the appropriate tone and laid back enjoyment of what there is to enjoy. Thank you for being you guys after all these years :)
I feel exactly the same. I'm not sure what it is (maybe because the're Australian), but a lot of other internet people take their own opinion too seriously. Like everything has to be a hill to die on or something.
At least we now know that the force, like storm trooper blasters, are useless when there are some flames in the way. Overall, I’ve enjoyed watching, just a little frustrated.
The Darth Vader voice really feels like it has James Earl Jones’ voice with Christensen/Anakin’s speech pattern. Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I don’t feel like I remember Darth Vader in the OT pausing so much in the middle of sentences. I do remember Anakin doing that in the prequels, though.
It's my understanding they are using a voice generator technology to recreate his voice. I was wondering why it sounded more like it did in the originals versus how James Earl Jones sounds in Rogue One.
For me, not so much As much as I love to see Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen reprising their roles, so far, the series has had lots of moments that have left me scratching my head, I guess its my fault, I don't know why I keep getting my expectations so high, I keep forgetting it's still Disney
Same. I think I was hoping for a more intimate story- something that expands tattoine lore and expands on Luke and Ben's relationship. Maybe explain why Owen pushed Ben away? Instead they needed to dig through the well of nostalgia again instead of doing something new. An escort mission is all Disney seems to do with star wars.
I haven't heard of that actor playing the inquisitor getting hate like that. Unfortunate. I thought the character and actor came across kinda flat...but I attribute that to the fact that she's playing opposite Ewan McGregor. They haven't really shared scenes. But it cuts from McGregor being a great actor in role with history/lore he's had plenty of time to become familiar with and personally contribute to...to a character and actor I'm unfamiliar with and is substantially less profound in contrast. I'm not saying the writers or actors are doing poorly, it's just that that storyline/characters is less likely to hold up to McGregor doing a great job at a character with more to work with and primary focus to the mainplot.
@@CrossOutBryce I can't imagine what kind of point they're hoping to make. What difference does the race of an actor make in a story that takes place long ago in a galaxy far far away? Idk. Sounds like some people just kinda suck
also when the character is introduced, she is introduced with two far more interesting looking alien characters. It kinda fits into her story because she is suppose to be the odd one out of the inquisitors but I agree the whole character just feels kinda lackluster and unnecessary. the story does not need a central bad guy like that. as the antagonist is suppose to be obiwan as he is in conflict with himself and the physical representation of that would be vader.
If like to think I'm not the only one who said. 'Why is he Letting Obi Wan GO?', and 'How the HELL did she get Infront of Laia?' lol (No spoilers, just a guess) she's not going to take her. She wants to find Obi not for evil intent, but to get answers for the night the Jedi fell.
Yes those were my questions after the episode as well. The thing with Vader letting Obi-Wan go though, is that I was questioning whether that was actually the film makers intent, or if they really wanted to portray it as a narrow escape but just did a poor job. And as a film maker, you never want to leave your audience with a lingering question that maybe they just did a poor job...
I think they should put the volume in a big room and rig something where the walls of the volume can move around the floor of the big room. So if someone is running in a scene, they just run and the volume moves with them. It's probably very expensive, impractical and possibly dangerous but it's at least a solution.
What triggered me is the fact that in the beginning when the Inquisitors just randomly run around threatening peoplr to tell them where the jedi are. Why would these high ranking imperial officers just RANDOMLY run around in a random part of a big ass planet where somewhere a jedi is hiding. Would that not be the job of some low ranking storm troopers?
Also, if she can just read minds why do they need to threaten people and ask questions? Just use the force and read their freaking minds. The writing on this and all Disney Star Wars shows is just lazy and terrible.
When Obi-Wan mentioned his brother, I immediately thought of Owen Lars who, according to the final draft of Return of the Jedi (and its in the original novelization) was Obi-Wan's brother. He mentions to Luke, "I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine."
@@PixelatedH2O Yes, I realize that. But that was the ORIGINAL storyline so when Obi-Wan says something about having a brother that's what I thought of, because originally Owen was Obi-Wan's brother not really Anakin's step-brother. I wasn't thinking that in this show they were going to reveal that Obi-Wan and Owen were brothers.
After that last episode, I find myself more excited for the Bad Batch Season 2. Or hell, anything that Filoni is directly involved in. I don't think he's perfect by any means, but he's the only consistent performer in Disney Star Wars right now.
My only complaint about Darth Vader is that he looks small most of the time because hayden Christiansen is actually in the suit instead of a big ass stuntman.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn yeah. Vader was a really big dude made even bigger by the suit. HC just doesn't fill it out. He looked especially small sitting on the throne. There's just not much torso there hes a small guy next to the og Vader. When he was walking through town, in some shots of the fight.. its pretty glaring.
I'm enjoying it so far. Little Leah is a highlight I reckon. I'm a bit 🤷♂️ about the Inquisitors so far, and I thought it was very odd how Reva "killed" (?) the grand inquisitor with zero consequences apparently, and Vader v. Obi-Wan round 1 was a bit of a damp squib for me, at least on first watch. Overall though, I'm there for it. Not that anyone cares or it's remotely important at all 😆
Thank you! There's even a few UA-cam channels joining in on the recent vitriol, trying to say that Disney and Lucasfilm standing up for Moses Ingram publicly is somehow; "attacking Star Wars fans," at large. Instead of speaking out against the vocal minority that are attacking Moses personally or being racist bigots, more specifically. Just being blatantly intellectually dishonest. And that should offend ALL of us Star Wars fans, who whether or not we agreed with certain decisions concerning her character, most definitely were not attacking her personally or being racist. They should ask themselves "Why" exactly "do I feel like Disney (or Lucasfilm) is directing their public statements at me, in particular?" Because, if you took either the official Star Wars tweet or Ewan MacGregor snapchat support for Moses as a personal attack, odds are you're part of that vocal minority of racist bigots after all lol and anything you say is only demonstrating to the world more who YOU are, than anything you're saying, specifically, to begin with. This issue isn't even close lol it's obvious, even to the least "educated," which side is the correct side, to be on. (I'm just sayin' 🤜 💥 🤛)
A broken Obi-Wan can make sense, if done well, because of the movie that precedes it. The Jedi order collapsed, Palpatine dismantled democracy into and empire, he maimed his best friend, and had to isolate himself on Tatooine. The last time we had seen Luke, he had brought balance to the force, saved his father from the Dark side, defeated the Empire, and was partying on Endor. That does not set up a broken story arc very well at all.
I think it could make sense but Disney ruined that idea. This series was suppose to be darker. I don’t think this series is not delivering not because he’s weak because of the awful writing and plot issues.
@@spencerfoote6977 for sure, my comment is addressing what James said at the beginning of people not like Luke's broken character in TLJ and people seemingly being okay with Obi-Wan's broken character. There's precedence for one and not the other.
My big question at this point is whether the introduction of Leia's robotic friend Lola is confirmation that the movie Batteries Not Included is part of the Star Wars universe.
What’s the point of obiwan looking secretly over Luke if he’s weak and can’t protect him from harms way? Defeats the purpose doesn’t it? In a new hope obiwan had mystique and that glint in his eye that he knows what’s going on not to mention his wry smile..Where’s the classic star wars music score? Did the show even have music? If it did it wasn’t memorable because I legit don’t remember it and what’s going on with the cinematography? In the old films they used exact angles and scenes from the science fiction artists paintings ..this show looks like a fan made production , old mate who made the Vader fan film I think captured more magic than this strangely ostracising show, I’ll keep watching it purely for some Star Wars content but farkkk I wonder what George Lucas thinks
oh and all the bickering/manoeuvring/treachery by the inquisitors i just put down to them being dark side practitioners and aspiring sith lords. they're a backstabby lot after all, those sith
I'm enjoying the character moments with obi wan, but the choreography/plot seems like it was written by an 8 year old. Obviously the fights/chases are horrible, but so many characters make completely nonsense decisions seemingly just to move the plot forward.
I wonder where they're going with Reva's character, because it's obvious she's one of the younglings shown in episode 1, so how does she go from that to knowing Darth Vader is Anakin? Very interested in how they explain that, and why she seems to hate Obi-Wan in particular. I hope she doesn't die since she's pretty cool, but given she's a new character and we know she's not in either the original trilogy or the sequels doesn't give me much hope...but I'm gonna anyway.
For me it's the direction. What should have been an atmospheric and somewhat epic reuniting of old friends/current enemies should have been way more grand in scale. Instead we got a very dorky, ordinarily shot meetup between the 2 which didn't carry the weight of what the scene should have been given all the years, and the shock to Kenobi that Anakin was still alive and turned into this horror show. They did it better in ESB in the dark side cave.. Vader appears out of a mist with his breathing leading the way and Luke is absolutely fucking terrified. Here Kenobi is just kinda like... oh, you poor thing. Imma Zoidberg outta here, WHOOPwhoopwhoopwhoop...
The clone that Obi-Wan gives some credits to, could be Howzer from The Bad Batch. You can see him regret his involvement with the empire during the Ryloth episodes. Looks like the same armor too
I cant stand that there isn't a single review, thus far, thats just been about the show. Either way you would have felt about the show is being influenced by all the internet stuff. Be it giving the show more leeway in terms of quality, or decidedly hating it, the fact that no one can sit down and watch the show, forming opinions independent of the opinions of complete strangers... it just sucks. Why cant we just... c'mon... I just want to watch Obi-Wan...
So what is your review, sans all other opinions and comments? It's not so easy to come up with entirely original ideas when you're surrounded by other voices
The conversation at 13:00 is the same one I had with people on Twitter. For some reason people were upset that Darth Vader was killing people in the village randomly. Like what? He is a villain, he is THE villain. Of course he is going to do shit that you don’t agree with lol.
I must say I can understand what some people dont like about this show, however I have been enjoying it so much that for me none of those points matter. Sure the chase scene with Leia was off but one scene doesn´t destroy my enjoyment of an episode. And the Vader scene was godly too.
Honestly thought the scene where Leia was running away was a training excessive of some sort for her, by the way everyone was acting. When it was really a kidnapping, I was floored. Such a great character in Obi Wan and actor in Ewan, everyone else I’m sure is great too but really disappointed in the overall series so far. Oh well. People missing George these days probably making him smile thinking “told you so” when the same people complained about the prequels.
I wont pretend some people, a handful of racist basement dwellers, aren't messaging the woman playing Reeva hateful comments, I think I speak for planet earth when I say thats unacceptable. But I'm hearing a lot of genuine concern towards the handling of the character Reeva, that she simply isn't written well, not very iconic as a villain and directed poorly. I'm not seeing anyone bring up her gender or race, Anyone else?
Joby Harold, who is partly responsible for writing this mess, told Vanity Fair that he took inspiration from something JJ said, so you know right away this is starting on the wrong foot. He also compared Reva cutting a hand off, with Obi-Wan doing it *to protect Luke* in the cantina in A New Hope. And he thinks that he is redressing some major failing, by having Obi-Wan 'also care about Leia', despite them being SEPARATED for their own safety, while Leia is safe with *one of the most powerful politicians* in the galaxy. In short, this man has no idea what he is doing. I think they made this as bad as it is, so that they could re-open the accusations about the sequels and do a little more gaslighting. No thanks.
Exactly. The writers are so unskilled. And where was the buildup to them meeting again? That's writing 101. It had no impact, other than something that just happened. They wasted time on other background characters instead.
@@brianbagnall3029 Remember when the Sith/Empire had clever traps, and the rebels/Jedi had to improvise and show courage and teamwork? Now it's just shouting, plot contrivance and heroes who don't want to get involved.
It would be a super cool twist if they catch Obi-wan and Leia at the end. Then Vader comes in, senses Leia is his daughter and wrecks the inquisitors letting them escape to protect his daughter from the Empire. I think it totally fits with his character as his whole reasoning turning to the dark side is to protect his loved ones with power.
I'm sure there's some nasty stuff that's been said to Moses Ingram, but most of the complaints are that she's a bad actor and the character is pointless/uninteresting. I'm sure she's a fine actor, but she doesn't seem to be pulling off this role. Maybe it's poor direction.
I agree with James on the use of space mentioned. I couldn’t help but notice it looked like the actors were purposefully running so slow it was almost a walk when chasing Leia through the woods. Just looked clunky. Same with multiple inquisitors being stopped by a single awning that the runaway Jedi pulled down. I feel like I said “just walk around it!” 10 times in the first 3 eps.
The woods, the awning, the hilarious laser security gate they turn off...to just walk through rather than drive, Vader and his troops with the fire, Reva's amazing parkour that takes five minutes to reach a nearby rooftop slowly enough for them to have escaped...you can get away with one or two, but they really gotta think more o' this through!
It's even weirder because I don't remember Mandalorian looking this cheap. Boba Fett had similar problems but so far Obi-wan looks like the cheapest production of all the Star Wars TV shows.
@@ANGELOFDARKification I'd call it more...uneven than outright cheap? Like, a bundle of sets and scenes look grande, but man are there a few that stick out like big sore awkward thumbs.
@@Flailkerrin When we see Obi-wan doing his job for the first time, that is, cutting mega-salmon with a saw (!), there's an extra next to him, very much in full view, who during the whole scene is standing soooo awkwardly still... As if the extra hadn't heard 'action' called out...
@@manfromanywhere Oooh! I didn't spot that one, and I love paying attention to background for those kinda things, good catch! You seen the guy sweeping the air in Quantum of Solace? That's one o' my favourites.
I really wanted to like this show, and I definitely do like some aspects of it, but some of the decisions that they've made in the directing and screenplay just leave me shaking my head in frustration. Maybe they'll turn it around in the last 3 episodes, but so far it's a big ol' meh for me.
You know full well that if that family is smuggled to a field of daisies and rainbows, then it is an entire planet of daisies and rainbows. Because if there's one thing we know about Star Trek, it's that every planet only has one biome.
One of the smaller details/funny bits is when Bail says to Leia that the people of Alderaan will one day look up to her, and it technically comes true because she was on the Death Star when Tarkin fired it at Alderaan.
@@stellviahohenheim True, but the station is big enough that it can be viewed from a planet in close proximity to it like Alderaan or Endor. I'm pretty sure they would have been looking up at it as soon as someone noticed it.
I want there to be an episode where Obi Wan needs a ship part but doesn't have the money to pay the ship parts dealer, so Qui Gon's ghost comes back to swindle the dealer like in Phantom Menace
I'm SO glad I'm not the only one that's annoyed that they keep clearly using the hills outside of LA to shoot different "planets" because, like, I'm FROM California and it's so jarring to see that landscape used in Star Wars 😂😂😂
I’ve been looking for someone talking about this and nobody would say it. Those cali scenes destroyed my immersion so much and made it look like a fan film
@@jamesgrottano5583 Yeah me too even tho i don't even live in the US lmao. It reminded me of the old Doctor Who episodes where half of the "different planets" were shot in quarries in the Wales because they had no budget
Every time Jimmy smitts is on screen or mentioned on the pod all I can think of is when the guys spawned him in to help against doooku and just gets instantly cut down
Jimmy's now 66 years old. Of course an old non force user's gonna not last very long. Also it's funny how Leia quips about how Kenobi could be his grand dad while her actual dad Jimmy Smits is 66
I love how Kenobi’s hair and beard is impervious to CGI fire when he is dragged head first into it and lays there for a hot minute without his face being severely burned. If only Anakin had that power on Mustafar, we would still have Haydens beautiful Vader face and mop.
You must realize Kenobi's powers are weak. He used all his force powers to protect his face and beard and hair, but he didn't have enough force juice to protect part of one side of his robe and a part of one side of his shoulder. Or at least that was my interpretation...
I almost laughed out loud when Vader said "you should have killed me when you had the chance" Me and my friends love to jokingly use that line since it's used so often, and hearing it from Darth vader just broke me.
i enjoyed seeing kenobi, seeing how he is handling, or not handling his past actions. I also fully agree with the sense of space at times feeling small while looking big. And definitely the worst part for me has been Leia just outrunning grown ass adults and you can clearly see everyone having to hold back so they wouldn't catch her in frame. The rest is well, okay, nothing else really sticks out neither good nor bad.
It definitely pulls you out of the immersion for sure but suspending my disbelief is easy enough for such a small moment. In my head she used force dash
I love my 10 year old daughter but I could not empathise with Leia at all. I just wanted a huge boulder to roll down a mountain and squash her. That would end how annoyed I was with her and her interactions with every other character. Except the boulder. That would be cathartic.
I also noticed the "problem" with the volume, and I also wonder if the pandemic had something to do with it as well. The end scene after Vader just let Obi-wan get away and the _really_ slow hauler droid carried him like 100 meters away and put him down was just odd...like, even if Vader didn't feel like putting the fire out again, why wouldn't the Storm Troopers just walk around the fire and get him? ;) There were a few other spots in the first two episodes that felt like that, a bit claustrophobic even though they were "outside", where the Mandalorian and even the Book of Boba didn't, so I'm guessing the pandemic played a bigger role than just volume...or maybe the time crunch they had on filming? Regardless of why, it's definitely there.
Is it not that wrap around screen thing they use instead of a green screen? That must limit the space the characters can inhabit, even if the setting is seemingly spacious.
That scene wasnt executed very well. Even if Vader is actively letting him get away for a better fight down the line or something like that maybe the stormtroopers should be shooting and HITTING the droid, chasing them, the droid has to pay off that hammer holding scene, and theyre just barely getting away, maybe other things are exploding to give them more cover, something besides "oh nooooo theyre getting awaaay, as long as we dont do anything to stop them which we will not be doing"
@@mediumvillain Yeah, my feeling exactly, instead it felt very much like "oh, she started the same fire again? Oh well, whatcha gonna do, time go home everyone." ;)
Honestly I think they just don't want to put in the effort. The leap in quality during the Mando episodes in Boba Fett made me think, wait, the show could have looked this good the whole time??? The Volume is an amazing piece of technology, but it won't save you from lousy practical effects, bad art design, and poor storyboarding.
Obi Wan needed to shoot out the laser barrier after fighting the stormtroopers, when they could have just walked left or right a few feet. I find that infinitely more weird than the fire scene. Later on at the quarry, Vader tells the trooper to get Kenobi, and then Vader sees a blaster from the distance and a robot shows up to help. Vader must have instantly become more interested in the others than the weakened Kenobi. I don't think it fantastic, but it works in my mind. I think Vader could have pulled the ship back in Rogue One, but didn't. Almost all Jedi/sith scenes I usually think other things could/should have been done. Kenobi could have force-fast run to get away from Vader, for example, but that only can be done in Phantom Menace and never again for some reason.
Alright. The pairing of the phrase "multi-directional treadmill" with a picture of a member of One Direction on a one-directional treadmill. The editing in these videos goes above and beyond.
Jury's out for me until they resolve why Leia's message in a New Hope "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars..." doesn't also reference them going on an adventure when she was 10!
Yeah, that bugged me, but she could also just be reminding Obi Wan of his service as a soldier and that he needs to be a soldier once more. It's how I'm trying to reconcile it, at least. 🤔
I can see it as a more formal statement and a call to action. Of course none of this was planned so it is rewriting the subtext of the dialogue but if the writing is good then I’m all for it.
She thinks he's just some guy named Ben. Since they've been together, I don't recall one time his last name being mentioned. So "General Kenobi" may indeed be a stranger to her just as much as Kenobi can't recall ever owning a droid
Later in ep 4 she says to Luke "Ben Kenobi is here?", so she's definitely more familiar with him than she let's on in her message. Thing is, she is a diplomat, she couldn't be sure no one else intercepted the message in R2, so it makes total sense she passes it off like Obi-Wan was just someone her dad served with. Plausible deniability and all that. This was not a galaxy where you want to record messages admitting to having a personal connection with a Jedi.
Aside from the Monty Python sketch of 3 grown mercenaries chasing a very young looking 10 year old through a forest to Benny Hill music I have liked it so far.
I think at the end Obi-Wan and Vader will have another duel, but that time Kenobi will be reconnected with the Force, and win. Because of Vader's line in New Hope: "Last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master." If this duel here would be that last time, I'd say Vader is already the master. Many has this theory that Vader probably imagined this duel a lot of times, and then he was disappointed. Not different than killing any random person, there's no catharsis for him in this one sided duel. He wants to properly beat Kenobi to show he's truly the Master. I wouldn't mind a short scene where Vader gets some harsh words from Palpatine for intentionally letting Kenobi escape.
@@philippowell8273 yea I think thats what he meant. In all honesty though that line can easily be tossed aside in a franchise this old I can excuse smaller plot holes like this
Yeah my guess is he dropped Kenobi back into the drink like a small fish. Just not satisfying enough to settle 10 years of bile (and a decade of resentment before that fostered by Palpatine see also "I hate you!"), so he lets Kenobi go hoping to goad him into shape for a more satisfying end. Vader is definitely much more philosophical by ANH regarding his antagonism.
@@philippowell8273 That makes no sense. It’s literally not the last time they met then. Unless Kenobi shows up with the force 100% behind him, then it’s a retcon to drive this particular show & throws ANH out of whack.
Starting with the postives I think Ewan Mcquegor's performance is fantastic, his emotion and brokenness is very real. Uncle Owen is another standout and I really feel like we should've stayed on tatooine just because of his dynamic with Obi wan. young Leia for the most part is pretty good as far as child actors go and her dynamic with Obi wan is actually really interesting. Seeing Bail organa again is always a treat. The inquistors bickering and fighting for power is interesting but is brought down by Reva. Rupert Friend as Grand Inquistor actually surprised and his performance was great....until his "death" and shafting to make room for Reva. Vader is terrifying and really feels like hayden's anakin under there. Postives aside, I have three complaints, Reva's character tries way to hard, and I don't like the fact the only reason they "killed" the Grand Inquistor was to make room for her more. I'm hoping her character becomes like an Ashoka in the sense she begins ambitious and annoying until she is put in her place to where she becomes more level headed and calculating. my other two complaints are what you said in your video, volume and space. The fight scenes seem clausterphoic and not in a oldboy hallway scene way, and the choreography and space seems small even though its trying to be huge. Im guessing this is due to covid restrictions and the pandemic but it could just be poor direction, but I would like to give Chow the benefit of the doubt. Overall I like the show so far, I just really hope they stick the landing.
I think if you're looking at this objectivley, it isn't doing great. Feels messy and writing isn't the best. I understand that a lot of hate comes from a section of people who are always mad, but plenty of fans aren't loving this either. Seems that every legit criticism of the show is met with Harshness.
They're introducing Big Bacta as a setup for eventually doing the Bacta Wars arc from the X-Wing books and introducing Ysanne Isard the most evil Star Wars character. (It's a great time for a plague story, right? Right?)
Why star wars fan are the ones who hate star wars the most lol the show isn't bad . Ppls take star wars too serious some times, opinion are allowed if you don't like it I get it too
I think they did get James Earl Jones back in to record new dialogue and had the Respeecher software smooth it over to make him sound younger. It sounds too natural for it to be 100% digital.
My worst fears have come true about this show: The Writing: is below subpar and mediocre. The dialogue is so generic and clichéd and there are way too many contrivances that take place for things to happen in this show. And worst of all, the entire thing just feels so boring. There is no nuance in the story. I'm not expecting game of thrones level writing. But this is so utterly mediocre. The directing: I hate to say it. But Deborah chow is not cut out to direct this. The entire thing feels like a fan film. The action scenes are pathetic. The shaky cam is ridiculous. The sets look so cheap, it never feels like these are real places they're visiting. The Music: What is up with all the generic action movie music? There are moments which should be creepy and tense but instead you have this awful bombastic drama music in place. Where is the element of Williams mysterious and powerful music? It's downright shameful that we don't have even a single moment where the imperial march theme plays given that this is as much a Vader centric show as it is Obi wan. Cinematography: People defend the cheap look saying it's due to the budget but I disagree. There are countless forms of media that have low budgets but make it for it in great practical effects and smart use of film techniques. This is just lack of talent and effort. I'm not expecting every shot to look like a painting (like arcane), but this looks unforgivably boring. The shaky cam especially is ridiculous. It makes every scene look like a fan film. Important moments: All of the concepts that should be explored by this show are so surface level. Obi wans PTSD is just scratched upon. Everyone has a different opinion on why he does things the way he does because none of it is thoroughly explored. People are filling in the blanks with their own reasoning and characterisation from previous media. This show doesn't contribute to any of the added characterisation. The first time Obi wan realises Vader lives should be a earth shattering revelation. But aside from Ewan's amazing acting, the scene felt so rushed with Reva just blurting it out (It's insulting that she knows tbh, Vader better kill her). Their first confrontation was absolutely bare bones. The action was laughably slow and boring. And the actual dialogue was just the bare minimum they could have done. People are praising them for having lines which anybody could think of. There is no ounce of grandeur like the older films. The presentation is so lacklustre. The inquisitors feel like teenagers bickering over each other, trying desperately to feel intimidating. Why are their entrances so lame? They should be inspiring fear everywhere they go but you see people in the crowd just walking around casually not giving a shit. A Scene Comparison: Remember the Vader bacta tank scene in rogue one. The music is subtle and ominous, you hear Vader's breath and see his figure come out of the smoke. As the bacta tank empties, you don't see his entire face but just enough to see the terrifying expression and the damage he took. The music is subtle throughout. Then there's the amazing entrance with vaders gigantic shadow towering over the director. It's fantastic visual storytelling. The light version of the imperial march as he walks towards Krenic is perfectly intimidating. Cut to the bacta tank scene in this show. The music is obnoxiously loud and blaring, the liquid looks cheap and out of focus. While I think Hayden looks incredible a Vader, a full shot of his face removes any iota of mystery to the character. The original trilogy was always careful not to show his face for this reason. All in all, this is the worst of Disney. Three more episodes won't fix this because it's an issue with the core. While this show isn't nearly as horrible as Boba Fett. This show will be forgotten a couple of months. I'm heartbroken. I was absolutely looking forward to this. Been a star wars fan since I was 5, but this isn't star wars.
This pretty much sums up my feelings for this show. It confuses me because mandalorian season 2 was amazing in terms of direction, acting and production value, which showed how good a star wars show on TV could be. I don't understand why a show on this scale considering ewan is in it can be this ameturish. There's just so many clunky editing moments.
Funny you mention fan films, because it's no exaggeration to say that this fan film from 2019 is better than this Disney series, and I'm sure the fan film's entire budget wouldn't have covered the Disney's project's craft table costs. ua-cam.com/video/3uDwjIBR9s4/v-deo.html
@@musayibghani3986 Honestly mate, you might disagree with this, I thought mandalorian season 1 was pretty great. But Season 2 also had the same issues. It was just sidequest galore and character cameos with the same contrived writing and plot armor. You might notice these issues on a second watch.
The damaged Hayden voice through the mask is a fun idea cuz they did something similar in Rebels when Vader fights Ahsoka, she slashes a hole in his mask and you see Anakin’s eyes and hear his “normal” voice
I heard someone on StarWarsTheory say that this show feels like a fan film. The lighting and camera work kinda feels cheap, and the acting really isn’t up to par with Ewan McGregor. I also don’t find the plot to be paced well.
@@malteaser It's the same with all of Disney Star Wars: the writers making the actors look bad through bad writing. To me Leia is the worst part of the show because she acts like she is 10 years older than she really is in every scene and I find that really annoying for some reason. I'm not even sure why she needs to be in the show, unless they really are trying to retcon episode 4. She's in the show just for the sake of being in the show.
if ur talking about jumping over that fire in episode 3, why the hell didnt he just use force push on the fire again like he did like 20 seconds earlier! lmao
"They wouldn't bring in Hayden Christensen just to stand off in the distance..." They might. But only because Hayden isn't just teasing his appearance, he's also in the suit and providing the voice performance with the help of AI too. I wouldn't be surprised if they finish this series out without showing Vader's face clearly. Vader's face represents his humanity, and that shouldn't be shown when he's still fully evil. We shouldn't see his face clearly until he shows it to Luke. It's not like this is The Mandalorian, and they can have a character arc where Vader learns that it's OK to let people see his face.
Having him physically in the suit is a mistake in my opinion. Because he’s just not big enough. Darth Vader supposed to be physically portrayed by someone who is like 6’5 and weighs 250 pounds. Hayden is not that. He looks small in the suit..
His face has been exposed before while hes in the suit, in the Ahsoka-Vader fight at the end of Season 2 of Rebels. Not by his choice of course but it was there. I'm expecting something like that if it is gonna come, but i don't want it to take away from that moment.
As far as I can tell, Hayden isn’t the voice of Vader at all in this. James Earl Jones seems to have recorded all of the lines, and then Respeecher is using AI to make him sound more like he did when he was younger.
Another incredible edit by the team, Mason's "more clunky" audio matched with the "Maklunkey" scene at 11:40 is perfection
And the final Maklunky at the end
I actually went from just listening, to going onto the video to rewind it and check to see if they'd added that Greedo scene when he said "clunky" 😂
Ben is the goat
Also the comic page with inserted text "something about fear or whatever"
May I add: 11:14 Mason said one direction and the editor put in a random photo of harry styles on a treadmill I mean come on you guys if there were oscars for youtube editors this would at the very least be nominated
I really hope his bacta tank flashback is just him becoming the prisoner of a tribe of sand people who he then befriends. Like that flashback is just a side effect of the brand of tanks they use.
it's how he knew they'd be back in greater numbers
Who makes Bacta Tanks, Imperial Office Furniture, and everything that exists in this universe anyway.
@@BronzeAgeBryon every planet has an economy. What do you think people do when not waring amongst the stars?
@@johntonssen7231prepare for more war. Or have spice sex parties?
I could listen to these 2 talk about anything. The best content creators out there fr
Quinlan Voss was one of the only characters George Lucas told comic/novel writers for the expanded universe they couldn’t touch… I believe he was meant to be the main character of a live-action show being planned in the late 90’s
@@THECABEMAN97 I really hope that happens. Crispy Obi-Wan needs help from another Jedi
Quinlan first appeared in 2000 though (in Star Wars Republic issue #17). He was later retconned into Episode I.
@@THECABEMAN97 He could definitely act the part but I don’t think he really has the build for it. Quinlan Vos is pretty tall and lean right?
Underworld and I've heard that too
@@logandh2 I think the Grand Inquisitor kinda proved they don’t care about that lol
I mean Reva is essentially a power rangers villain, which is fun to watch, but she's hard to take seriously.
I like that she looks normal, not even necessarily intimidating.
Makes sense leia trusted her, she's the only Inquisitor that doesn’t look like a cyborg demon nazi
@@teodellorcio4590 half of the universe looks messed up. In episode 3 she had no issue walking up star nose mole face cab driver. I don’t think her looking normal had much to do with it.
Becareful you may get called racist lol
Nothing fun to watch about that horribly written character and even worse acting performance by Moses.
My problem is that she isn't fun to watch because she doesn't DO anything. We're led to believe that she is somehow more competent than her peers, but they've never actually shown us that. The most she's done is come up with a scheme to lure out Kenobi, which worked by absolute chance, and parkour across a city scape. The latter had me laughing, because it was so clearly a "look at this badass! parkour is awesome!" moment yet was ultimately pointless. She didn't even catch up to Obi-wan after all that effort.
Uncle Owen’s scene is cool though, shows some real courage against the Inquisitors and snark against Obi Wan.
I don’t think it is coming close to expectations. The show should be called “Third Sister feat. Obi Wan
My favourite parts include when Obi Wan is talking with Leia. I think it's really interesting to see their connection, especially how it leads to Leia viewing Ben as her "only hope" years down the line.
I also really liked the scenes where Obi Wan talks about Padme, or when Leia reminds him of her mother.
funny how in the empire strikes back ben doesn't return the favour to leia; he calls *luke* their "only hope" and it's yoda who mentions leia
@@wolfgangrecordings it definitely is, I think that's likely just down to the natural tangle of details when the universe started really expanding.
I always wondered what it would be like to see Leia truly unlocking her force potential in Canon but I guess Disney ruined that with the sequels lol
@@josephmanifold9211 "natural tangle of details" might be the nicest way of referring to a plothole that i've ever heard hahaha
You would think in a universe where they can make super advanced robot limbs they’d have a better solution for Darth Vader than just “live in a tank and then a big suit that sounds like a scuba diver” XD no wonder he’s in a bad mood all the time
I wanna say they did him dirty on purpose
yea in Canon, he could've been given a much better suit but Palpatine gave him one w outdated, ancient sith technology to keep him in pain all the time
I was honestly so glad that you guys actually had positive things to say about this show. People seem to really hate it, but I don't really understand why. Sure, some of the writing isn't great and I don't love all of the characters, but we're still only halfway through and I'd say that I've enjoyed most of it so far. It's far from perfect, but I genuinely don't understand why there's so much hate.
Its fine that you enjoyed it but if you don't understand why most people hate it then thats really a you problem. RotS is my favourite SW film but I understand why others don't like it. Kenobi is a horrible show that is indicative of the modern writer mentality.
I feel like it's just: writing has moved on, as craft? It shouldn't be this clunky.
The editing is so good, Mason!
Nope. I's actually kind of bad in some spots. Badly directed in a few scenes, unintentionally funny, introduces kid Leia not only because it's the safest formula for our roughed up protagonist to go through his character arc but also because we have to introduce another thing that fans can recognize... It just feels... awkward. The showrunner also said that the show was going to be a character study similar to Logan, but the difference is that Logan was generally a slower burn which made his predicament more believable and grounded while Obi-Wan just feels like any other Star Wars show. If there's a Star Wars show that should've been great it's this one, and I'm really said that it isn't. Also, Obi-Wan meeting Darth Vader kind of ruins continuity and negates all meaning to their encounter in A New Hope.
Tbh I’ll miss the weekly updates, j look forward to them just as much as the shows but I’m glad they’re doing what’s best for them
The Emperor just puts some lemon juice in the Bacta Tank just so anakin gets hurt
As a lifelong Star Wars fan of over 2 decades, who has gone through multiple periods of denial and subsequent acceptance to deal with the vastly changing quality of this universe I can't stop loving (and the fucking abhorrent fan base that continues to make me feel ashamed at each new release), the consistent coverage of Star Wars by you guys as "Mason points out x plot hole/poor continuity between stories, James quietly mentions y fix that was created by some talented EU author that no one outside of obsessive fans know, before swiftly moving the conversation on." I relate strongly, you're both great and hilarious in discussing this franchise and it's fan base with the appropriate tone and laid back enjoyment of what there is to enjoy. Thank you for being you guys after all these years :)
I feel exactly the same. I'm not sure what it is (maybe because the're Australian), but a lot of other internet people take their own opinion too seriously.
Like everything has to be a hill to die on or something.
At least we now know that the force, like storm trooper blasters, are useless when there are some flames in the way.
Overall, I’ve enjoyed watching, just a little frustrated.
The Darth Vader voice really feels like it has James Earl Jones’ voice with Christensen/Anakin’s speech pattern. Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I don’t feel like I remember Darth Vader in the OT pausing so much in the middle of sentences. I do remember Anakin doing that in the prequels, though.
It's my understanding they are using a voice generator technology to recreate his voice. I was wondering why it sounded more like it did in the originals versus how James Earl Jones sounds in Rogue One.
"I don't like lava, it's hot and molten and burns all your skin off" - Darth Vader
That edit at 17:31 was absolutely masterclass
For me, not so much
As much as I love to see Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen reprising their roles, so far, the series has had lots of moments that have left me scratching my head, I guess its my fault, I don't know why I keep getting my expectations so high, I keep forgetting it's still Disney
Same. I think I was hoping for a more intimate story- something that expands tattoine lore and expands on Luke and Ben's relationship. Maybe explain why Owen pushed Ben away?
Instead they needed to dig through the well of nostalgia again instead of doing something new. An escort mission is all Disney seems to do with star wars.
11:27 That (ma)clunkey edit was beautiful.
I haven't heard of that actor playing the inquisitor getting hate like that. Unfortunate.
I thought the character and actor came across kinda flat...but I attribute that to the fact that she's playing opposite Ewan McGregor.
They haven't really shared scenes. But it cuts from McGregor being a great actor in role with history/lore he's had plenty of time to become familiar with and personally contribute to...to a character and actor I'm unfamiliar with and is substantially less profound in contrast.
I'm not saying the writers or actors are doing poorly, it's just that that storyline/characters is less likely to hold up to McGregor doing a great job at a character with more to work with and primary focus to the mainplot.
She's getting blasted by racist comments and vitriol. It's on every social media platform
@@CrossOutBryce I can't imagine what kind of point they're hoping to make. What difference does the race of an actor make in a story that takes place long ago in a galaxy far far away?
Idk. Sounds like some people just kinda suck
also when the character is introduced, she is introduced with two far more interesting looking alien characters. It kinda fits into her story because she is suppose to be the odd one out of the inquisitors but I agree the whole character just feels kinda lackluster and unnecessary. the story does not need a central bad guy like that. as the antagonist is suppose to be obiwan as he is in conflict with himself and the physical representation of that would be vader.
If like to think I'm not the only one who said. 'Why is he Letting Obi Wan GO?', and 'How the HELL did she get Infront of Laia?' lol
(No spoilers, just a guess) she's not going to take her. She wants to find Obi not for evil intent, but to get answers for the night the Jedi fell.
Yes those were my questions after the episode as well. The thing with Vader letting Obi-Wan go though, is that I was questioning whether that was actually the film makers intent, or if they really wanted to portray it as a narrow escape but just did a poor job. And as a film maker, you never want to leave your audience with a lingering question that maybe they just did a poor job...
I think they should put the volume in a big room and rig something where the walls of the volume can move around the floor of the big room. So if someone is running in a scene, they just run and the volume moves with them. It's probably very expensive, impractical and possibly dangerous but it's at least a solution.
Apparently Ewan's brother is a pilot in the RAF, and his call sign is Obi-Two... Which is awesome.
What triggered me is the fact that in the beginning when the Inquisitors just randomly run around threatening peoplr to tell them where the jedi are. Why would these high ranking imperial officers just RANDOMLY run around in a random part of a big ass planet where somewhere a jedi is hiding. Would that not be the job of some low ranking storm troopers?
Because a Jedi would kill “low ranking Stormtrooper”
Dudes can’t even aim. The inquisitors in this series have already killed that jedi on Tatooine
Also, if she can just read minds why do they need to threaten people and ask questions? Just use the force and read their freaking minds. The writing on this and all Disney Star Wars shows is just lazy and terrible.
When Obi-Wan mentioned his brother, I immediately thought of Owen Lars who, according to the final draft of Return of the Jedi (and its in the original novelization) was Obi-Wan's brother. He mentions to Luke, "I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine."
That line of dialogue makes no sense post-prequel era. That would make Obi-Wan Anakin's half brother and therefore Owen is still Luke's uncle
@@PixelatedH2O Yes, I realize that. But that was the ORIGINAL storyline so when Obi-Wan says something about having a brother that's what I thought of, because originally Owen was Obi-Wan's brother not really Anakin's step-brother. I wasn't thinking that in this show they were going to reveal that Obi-Wan and Owen were brothers.
"It's gonna get in all of Darth Vader's grooves and crannies" must be one of the best sentences ever spoken
After that last episode, I find myself more excited for the Bad Batch Season 2. Or hell, anything that Filoni is directly involved in. I don't think he's perfect by any means, but he's the only consistent performer in Disney Star Wars right now.
We're you under the impression the pre-Disney b Star Wars was ever consistent? 😂
3:53 the editing 😂
I knew you guys were being paid to give so much praise to this show. Damn you, Big Bacta!
My only complaint about Darth Vader is that he looks small most of the time because hayden Christiansen is actually in the suit instead of a big ass stuntman.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn yeah. Vader was a really big dude made even bigger by the suit. HC just doesn't fill it out. He looked especially small sitting on the throne. There's just not much torso there hes a small guy next to the og Vader. When he was walking through town, in some shots of the fight.. its pretty glaring.
I'm enjoying it so far. Little Leah is a highlight I reckon. I'm a bit 🤷♂️ about the Inquisitors so far, and I thought it was very odd how Reva "killed" (?) the grand inquisitor with zero consequences apparently, and Vader v. Obi-Wan round 1 was a bit of a damp squib for me, at least on first watch.
Overall though, I'm there for it.
Not that anyone cares or it's remotely important at all 😆
I agree with you, I’m seeing a lot of people try to justify the bullying with “Well the writing IS bad.” And that’s just as disgusting.
Yes, I love that Hayden is working again ⭐️
Thank you!
There's even a few UA-cam channels joining in on the recent vitriol, trying to say that Disney and Lucasfilm standing up for Moses Ingram publicly is somehow; "attacking Star Wars fans," at large.
Instead of speaking out against the vocal minority that are attacking Moses personally or being racist bigots, more specifically.
Just being blatantly intellectually dishonest. And that should offend ALL of us Star Wars fans, who whether or not we agreed with certain decisions concerning her character, most definitely were not attacking her personally or being racist.
They should ask themselves "Why" exactly "do I feel like Disney (or Lucasfilm) is directing their public statements at me, in particular?"
Because, if you took either the official Star Wars tweet or Ewan MacGregor snapchat support for Moses as a personal attack, odds are you're part of that vocal minority of racist bigots after all lol and anything you say is only demonstrating to the world more who YOU are, than anything you're saying, specifically, to begin with.
This issue isn't even close lol it's obvious, even to the least "educated," which side is the correct side, to be on.
(I'm just sayin' 🤜 💥 🤛)
A broken Obi-Wan can make sense, if done well, because of the movie that precedes it. The Jedi order collapsed, Palpatine dismantled democracy into and empire, he maimed his best friend, and had to isolate himself on Tatooine. The last time we had seen Luke, he had brought balance to the force, saved his father from the Dark side, defeated the Empire, and was partying on Endor. That does not set up a broken story arc very well at all.
I think it could make sense but Disney ruined that idea. This series was suppose to be darker. I don’t think this series is not delivering not because he’s weak because of the awful writing and plot issues.
Obi wan really got side tracked in his own show.
@@spencerfoote6977 how so? Kenobi still 100% seems like the main focus to me.
@@spencerfoote6977 for sure, my comment is addressing what James said at the beginning of people not like Luke's broken character in TLJ and people seemingly being okay with Obi-Wan's broken character. There's precedence for one and not the other.
@@claytonshamy7180 Inquisitors seem like filler
My big question at this point is whether the introduction of Leia's robotic friend Lola is confirmation that the movie Batteries Not Included is part of the Star Wars universe.
What’s the point of obiwan looking secretly over Luke if he’s weak and can’t protect him from harms way? Defeats the purpose doesn’t it? In a new hope obiwan had mystique and that glint in his eye that he knows what’s going on not to mention his wry smile..Where’s the classic star wars music score? Did the show even have music? If it did it wasn’t memorable because I legit don’t remember it and what’s going on with the cinematography? In the old films they used exact angles and scenes from the science fiction artists paintings ..this show looks like a fan made production , old mate who made the Vader fan film I think captured more magic than this strangely ostracising show, I’ll keep watching it purely for some Star Wars content but farkkk I wonder what George Lucas thinks
oh and all the bickering/manoeuvring/treachery by the inquisitors i just put down to them being dark side practitioners and aspiring sith lords. they're a backstabby lot after all, those sith
That whiskey nose is killing me.
Obi-Two is the pilot call sign of Ewan McGregor’s real life brother in the UK airforce
I'm enjoying the character moments with obi wan, but the choreography/plot seems like it was written by an 8 year old. Obviously the fights/chases are horrible, but so many characters make completely nonsense decisions seemingly just to move the plot forward.
I wonder where they're going with Reva's character, because it's obvious she's one of the younglings shown in episode 1, so how does she go from that to knowing Darth Vader is Anakin? Very interested in how they explain that, and why she seems to hate Obi-Wan in particular. I hope she doesn't die since she's pretty cool, but given she's a new character and we know she's not in either the original trilogy or the sequels doesn't give me much hope...but I'm gonna anyway.
according to leaks, vader just kills her because she lies to darth vader about killing luke when she actually spared him.
Big bacta is taking over the Star Trek cinematic universe
It should be called Jake The Moron Kenobi cause that's how bad his character was written.
For me it's the direction. What should have been an atmospheric and somewhat epic reuniting of old friends/current enemies should have been way more grand in scale. Instead we got a very dorky, ordinarily shot meetup between the 2 which didn't carry the weight of what the scene should have been given all the years, and the shock to Kenobi that Anakin was still alive and turned into this horror show.
They did it better in ESB in the dark side cave.. Vader appears out of a mist with his breathing leading the way and Luke is absolutely fucking terrified. Here Kenobi is just kinda like... oh, you poor thing. Imma Zoidberg outta here, WHOOPwhoopwhoopwhoop...
The clone that Obi-Wan gives some credits to, could be Howzer from The Bad Batch. You can see him regret his involvement with the empire during the Ryloth episodes. Looks like the same armor too
22:55 "They're in the pocket of big bacta."
i hope they address what happened to obi-wan's forehead moles in the 2nd half of the series
“We’ll be back-ta next week” come on guys
I cant stand that there isn't a single review, thus far, thats just been about the show. Either way you would have felt about the show is being influenced by all the internet stuff. Be it giving the show more leeway in terms of quality, or decidedly hating it, the fact that no one can sit down and watch the show, forming opinions independent of the opinions of complete strangers... it just sucks. Why cant we just... c'mon... I just want to watch Obi-Wan...
So what is your review, sans all other opinions and comments? It's not so easy to come up with entirely original ideas when you're surrounded by other voices
Not sure I understand your gripe. "I just want to watch Obi-Wan..." Nobody is stopping you from doing just that....
@@theripper121 You don't understand it because it doesn't seem to make any sense
@@PixelatedH2O ^
I feel like this show embodies the feeling "meh". It's unbelievably mediocre in almost every front up till now.
Exactly, watchable but forgettable.
The conversation at 13:00 is the same one I had with people on Twitter. For some reason people were upset that Darth Vader was killing people in the village randomly. Like what? He is a villain, he is THE villain. Of course he is going to do shit that you don’t agree with lol.
I must say I can understand what some people dont like about this show, however I have been enjoying it so much that for me none of those points matter. Sure the chase scene with Leia was off but one scene doesn´t destroy my enjoyment of an episode. And the Vader scene was godly too.
i feel the same way
I've fallen asleep multiple times trying to watch this...I wish Tarantino could direct these shows...enough of this pc pg bs
I think obiwan will survive the series. he has to show up in ep. 4
Honestly thought the scene where Leia was running away was a training excessive of some sort for her, by the way everyone was acting. When it was really a kidnapping, I was floored. Such a great character in Obi Wan and actor in Ewan, everyone else I’m sure is great too but really disappointed in the overall series so far. Oh well. People missing George these days probably making him smile thinking “told you so” when the same people complained about the prequels.
Episode 1: Aw hell yeah
Episode 2: …I’m starting to get sussed out
Episode 3: Damn this shit mid af
5:48 yeah I’m pretty sure I walked my dog there when I lived in San Diego
I wont pretend some people, a handful of racist basement dwellers, aren't messaging the woman playing Reeva hateful comments, I think I speak for planet earth when I say thats unacceptable. But I'm hearing a lot of genuine concern towards the handling of the character Reeva, that she simply isn't written well, not very iconic as a villain and directed poorly. I'm not seeing anyone bring up her gender or race, Anyone else?
Joby Harold, who is partly responsible for writing this mess, told Vanity Fair that he took inspiration from something JJ said, so you know right away this is starting on the wrong foot. He also compared Reva cutting a hand off, with Obi-Wan doing it *to protect Luke* in the cantina in A New Hope. And he thinks that he is redressing some major failing, by having Obi-Wan 'also care about Leia', despite them being SEPARATED for their own safety, while Leia is safe with *one of the most powerful politicians* in the galaxy. In short, this man has no idea what he is doing. I think they made this as bad as it is, so that they could re-open the accusations about the sequels and do a little more gaslighting. No thanks.
Exactly. The writers are so unskilled. And where was the buildup to them meeting again? That's writing 101. It had no impact, other than something that just happened. They wasted time on other background characters instead.
@@brianbagnall3029 Remember when the Sith/Empire had clever traps, and the rebels/Jedi had to improvise and show courage and teamwork? Now it's just shouting, plot contrivance and heroes who don't want to get involved.
Respect for the “Mclunky” cut in that was genius and a deep cut!
It would be a super cool twist if they catch Obi-wan and Leia at the end. Then Vader comes in, senses Leia is his daughter and wrecks the inquisitors letting them escape to protect his daughter from the Empire. I think it totally fits with his character as his whole reasoning turning to the dark side is to protect his loved ones with power.
I'm sure there's some nasty stuff that's been said to Moses Ingram, but most of the complaints are that she's a bad actor and the character is pointless/uninteresting. I'm sure she's a fine actor, but she doesn't seem to be pulling off this role. Maybe it's poor direction.
I agree with James on the use of space mentioned. I couldn’t help but notice it looked like the actors were purposefully running so slow it was almost a walk when chasing Leia through the woods. Just looked clunky. Same with multiple inquisitors being stopped by a single awning that the runaway Jedi pulled down. I feel like I said “just walk around it!” 10 times in the first 3 eps.
The woods, the awning, the hilarious laser security gate they turn off...to just walk through rather than drive, Vader and his troops with the fire, Reva's amazing parkour that takes five minutes to reach a nearby rooftop slowly enough for them to have escaped...you can get away with one or two, but they really gotta think more o' this through!
It's even weirder because I don't remember Mandalorian looking this cheap. Boba Fett had similar problems but so far Obi-wan looks like the cheapest production of all the Star Wars TV shows.
@@ANGELOFDARKification I'd call it more...uneven than outright cheap? Like, a bundle of sets and scenes look grande, but man are there a few that stick out like big sore awkward thumbs.
@@Flailkerrin When we see Obi-wan doing his job for the first time, that is, cutting mega-salmon with a saw (!), there's an extra next to him, very much in full view, who during the whole scene is standing soooo awkwardly still... As if the extra hadn't heard 'action' called out...
@@manfromanywhere Oooh! I didn't spot that one, and I love paying attention to background for those kinda things, good catch! You seen the guy sweeping the air in Quantum of Solace? That's one o' my favourites.
I really wanted to like this show, and I definitely do like some aspects of it, but some of the decisions that they've made in the directing and screenplay just leave me shaking my head in frustration. Maybe they'll turn it around in the last 3 episodes, but so far it's a big ol' meh for me.
Agreed, something off about the camera work and editing.
It only got worse
You know full well that if that family is smuggled to a field of daisies and rainbows, then it is an entire planet of daisies and rainbows. Because if there's one thing we know about Star Trek, it's that every planet only has one biome.
This
And every planet is some part of California… where’s the beach planet?
@@hellfish2309 it's an asteroid that's been colonized
@@rudrank819 Star What?
I love Star Trek
One of the smaller details/funny bits is when Bail says to Leia that the people of Alderaan will one day look up to her, and it technically comes true because she was on the Death Star when Tarkin fired it at Alderaan.
Jesus 🤣
Idk, that laser seems to be pretty fast for anyone on the planet to notice
@@stellviahohenheim True, but the station is big enough that it can be viewed from a planet in close proximity to it like Alderaan or Endor. I'm pretty sure they would have been looking up at it as soon as someone noticed it.
Did everyone live on that one side of Alderaan?
@@barryallen871 Yes. Yes they did.
My favourite part is where Reva spent half an hour jumping across roof tops and still managed to lose a 10 year old girl and 50 year old hermit.
I want there to be an episode where Obi Wan needs a ship part but doesn't have the money to pay the ship parts dealer, so Qui Gon's ghost comes back to swindle the dealer like in Phantom Menace
"Don't worry 'Nobi, I have a particular set of skills"
Then afterward when the child is 'freed' from slavery, Obi-Wan is just like "oh no, not this again"
“Republic credits WILL do fine.”
Classic paladin shenanigans!
It's fine, he'll just get Leia to participate in a podrace to win the part
I'm SO glad I'm not the only one that's annoyed that they keep clearly using the hills outside of LA to shoot different "planets" because, like, I'm FROM California and it's so jarring to see that landscape used in Star Wars 😂😂😂
I’ve been looking for someone talking about this and nobody would say it. Those cali scenes destroyed my immersion so much and made it look like a fan film
@@jamesgrottano5583 Yeah me too even tho i don't even live in the US lmao. It reminded me of the old Doctor Who episodes where half of the "different planets" were shot in quarries in the Wales because they had no budget
The best part of the show was when Obi-Wan said "It's Kenobin Time!" and proceeded to kenob all over those guys
That’s what he used to beat Darth Morbius to steal his Morbillion credits
And when he said “Every Obi has its Wan” literally gave me the kenobs. 😩😩😩😩😩
I am stealing this
Agreed
When he said "It's Morbin' Time" to troll Sony was a perfect chef kiss moment. ;)
Every time Jimmy smitts is on screen or mentioned on the pod all I can think of is when the guys spawned him in to help against doooku and just gets instantly cut down
What video was that? That sounds hilarious!
@@michaelbyrne5528 Caravan of Garbage Attack of the Clones video game
LOL loved when Tarkin appeared…”THEY WERE MATES!”
Jimmy's now 66 years old. Of course an old non force user's gonna not last very long.
Also it's funny how Leia quips about how Kenobi could be his grand dad while her actual dad Jimmy Smits is 66
@@jeynarl he’s ten years older than whatever he was in rots canonically
I love how Kenobi’s hair and beard is impervious to CGI fire when he is dragged head first into it and lays there for a hot minute without his face being severely burned. If only Anakin had that power on Mustafar, we would still have Haydens beautiful Vader face and mop.
Movie magic! Lol
You must realize Kenobi's powers are weak. He used all his force powers to protect his face and beard and hair, but he didn't have enough force juice to protect part of one side of his robe and a part of one side of his shoulder. Or at least that was my interpretation...
A hot minute, eh?
@@orangezeroalpha are you joking or being for real
@@EverlastingAura1 sorry, I thought the "force juice" would be enough to know I'm joking.
I almost laughed out loud when Vader said "you should have killed me when you had the chance"
Me and my friends love to jokingly use that line since it's used so often, and hearing it from Darth vader just broke me.
Add it to, "NOOOOOOOOO!"
Ugh it’s so cliché. Cool to hear James Earl Jones return though.
I even rolled my eyes at “I am what you made me”. So bad
"I am what you made me" had me burst out in cringe like he's Darth Joker
@@cyryc Have you guys met Anakin Skywalker? lol
i enjoyed seeing kenobi, seeing how he is handling, or not handling his past actions. I also fully agree with the sense of space at times feeling small while looking big. And definitely the worst part for me has been Leia just outrunning grown ass adults and you can clearly see everyone having to hold back so they wouldn't catch her in frame.
The rest is well, okay, nothing else really sticks out neither good nor bad.
young Leia gives me RoboCop 3 vibes. not a good thing
It definitely pulls you out of the immersion for sure but suspending my disbelief is easy enough for such a small moment. In my head she used force dash
This is almost exactly how I feel.
@@MrDrProfessorSir962 bit of a waste to use her 1 force dash allowed in her life there really, poor planning on her part
I love my 10 year old daughter but I could not empathise with Leia at all. I just wanted a huge boulder to roll down a mountain and squash her. That would end how annoyed I was with her and her interactions with every other character. Except the boulder. That would be cathartic.
My favourite part was when obi wan was trying to hide and Vader was able to surprise him by hiding out of camera frame.
Roger Ebert slandered one of the greatest movies ever made for doing this very thing and was forced to apologize for it later in life
I think we’re going to get a scene like in the Force unleashed where Vader’s armour is partly destroyed and you see a half Vader half Anakin thing
Agreed. Obi-Wan will certainly have a better showing the next time they meet.
they've already done that in disney star wars, it happens when asoka duels vader in rebels
ManBearVader
Nailed it.
I also noticed the "problem" with the volume, and I also wonder if the pandemic had something to do with it as well. The end scene after Vader just let Obi-wan get away and the _really_ slow hauler droid carried him like 100 meters away and put him down was just odd...like, even if Vader didn't feel like putting the fire out again, why wouldn't the Storm Troopers just walk around the fire and get him? ;)
There were a few other spots in the first two episodes that felt like that, a bit claustrophobic even though they were "outside", where the Mandalorian and even the Book of Boba didn't, so I'm guessing the pandemic played a bigger role than just volume...or maybe the time crunch they had on filming? Regardless of why, it's definitely there.
Is it not that wrap around screen thing they use instead of a green screen? That must limit the space the characters can inhabit, even if the setting is seemingly spacious.
That scene wasnt executed very well. Even if Vader is actively letting him get away for a better fight down the line or something like that maybe the stormtroopers should be shooting and HITTING the droid, chasing them, the droid has to pay off that hammer holding scene, and theyre just barely getting away, maybe other things are exploding to give them more cover, something besides "oh nooooo theyre getting awaaay, as long as we dont do anything to stop them which we will not be doing"
@@mediumvillain Yeah, my feeling exactly, instead it felt very much like "oh, she started the same fire again? Oh well, whatcha gonna do, time go home everyone." ;)
Honestly I think they just don't want to put in the effort. The leap in quality during the Mando episodes in Boba Fett made me think, wait, the show could have looked this good the whole time???
The Volume is an amazing piece of technology, but it won't save you from lousy practical effects, bad art design, and poor storyboarding.
Obi Wan needed to shoot out the laser barrier after fighting the stormtroopers, when they could have just walked left or right a few feet. I find that infinitely more weird than the fire scene. Later on at the quarry, Vader tells the trooper to get Kenobi, and then Vader sees a blaster from the distance and a robot shows up to help. Vader must have instantly become more interested in the others than the weakened Kenobi. I don't think it fantastic, but it works in my mind. I think Vader could have pulled the ship back in Rogue One, but didn't. Almost all Jedi/sith scenes I usually think other things could/should have been done. Kenobi could have force-fast run to get away from Vader, for example, but that only can be done in Phantom Menace and never again for some reason.
Reva has the force power to know where an underground tunnel ultimately leads and teleport herself there so she can kill the pilot and kidnap Leia?
This show has been the absolute epitome of mediocre in most aspects and just plan trash in the rest of it.
B*tchy nitpicking
Alright. The pairing of the phrase "multi-directional treadmill" with a picture of a member of One Direction on a one-directional treadmill. The editing in these videos goes above and beyond.
Right?
Jury's out for me until they resolve why Leia's message in a New Hope "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars..." doesn't also reference them going on an adventure when she was 10!
Yeah, that bugged me, but she could also just be reminding Obi Wan of his service as a soldier and that he needs to be a soldier once more. It's how I'm trying to reconcile it, at least. 🤔
I can see it as a more formal statement and a call to action. Of course none of this was planned so it is rewriting the subtext of the dialogue but if the writing is good then I’m all for it.
She thinks he's just some guy named Ben. Since they've been together, I don't recall one time his last name being mentioned. So "General Kenobi" may indeed be a stranger to her just as much as Kenobi can't recall ever owning a droid
@Thomas Denning you're close to impossible to talk if that's your opening gambit haha
Later in ep 4 she says to Luke "Ben Kenobi is here?", so she's definitely more familiar with him than she let's on in her message. Thing is, she is a diplomat, she couldn't be sure no one else intercepted the message in R2, so it makes total sense she passes it off like Obi-Wan was just someone her dad served with. Plausible deniability and all that. This was not a galaxy where you want to record messages admitting to having a personal connection with a Jedi.
Aside from the Monty Python sketch of 3 grown mercenaries chasing a very young looking 10 year old through a forest to Benny Hill music I have liked it so far.
Hahahahaha, well said. Lmao
Any muricans out there reading python as ‘PiE tHaWn’ lol
This should have been the Star Wars version of Logan but instead it's the Leia and Reva show.
I think at the end Obi-Wan and Vader will have another duel, but that time Kenobi will be reconnected with the Force, and win. Because of Vader's line in New Hope: "Last time we met I was but a learner, now I am the master." If this duel here would be that last time, I'd say Vader is already the master. Many has this theory that Vader probably imagined this duel a lot of times, and then he was disappointed. Not different than killing any random person, there's no catharsis for him in this one sided duel. He wants to properly beat Kenobi to show he's truly the Master. I wouldn't mind a short scene where Vader gets some harsh words from Palpatine for intentionally letting Kenobi escape.
He says “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master”
Can still mean the Mustafar duel if he means leaving him as his apprentice.
@@philippowell8273 yea I think thats what he meant. In all honesty though that line can easily be tossed aside in a franchise this old I can excuse smaller plot holes like this
A little palps is never a bad thing…even rise of skywalker I always enjoy Ian Mcdirmad
Yeah my guess is he dropped Kenobi back into the drink like a small fish. Just not satisfying enough to settle 10 years of bile (and a decade of resentment before that fostered by Palpatine see also "I hate you!"), so he lets Kenobi go hoping to goad him into shape for a more satisfying end. Vader is definitely much more philosophical by ANH regarding his antagonism.
@@philippowell8273 That makes no sense. It’s literally not the last time they met then.
Unless Kenobi shows up with the force 100% behind him, then it’s a retcon to drive this particular show & throws ANH out of whack.
More like Obi-Run (away) Kenobi.
VERY good
Starting with the postives I think Ewan Mcquegor's performance is fantastic, his emotion and brokenness is very real. Uncle Owen is another standout and I really feel like we should've stayed on tatooine just because of his dynamic with Obi wan. young Leia for the most part is pretty good as far as child actors go and her dynamic with Obi wan is actually really interesting. Seeing Bail organa again is always a treat. The inquistors bickering and fighting for power is interesting but is brought down by Reva. Rupert Friend as Grand Inquistor actually surprised and his performance was great....until his "death" and shafting to make room for Reva. Vader is terrifying and really feels like hayden's anakin under there.
Postives aside, I have three complaints, Reva's character tries way to hard, and I don't like the fact the only reason they "killed" the Grand Inquistor was to make room for her more. I'm hoping her character becomes like an Ashoka in the sense she begins ambitious and annoying until she is put in her place to where she becomes more level headed and calculating. my other two complaints are what you said in your video, volume and space. The fight scenes seem clausterphoic and not in a oldboy hallway scene way, and the choreography and space seems small even though its trying to be huge. Im guessing this is due to covid restrictions and the pandemic but it could just be poor direction, but I would like to give Chow the benefit of the doubt.
Overall I like the show so far, I just really hope they stick the landing.
I think if you're looking at this objectivley, it isn't doing great. Feels messy and writing isn't the best. I understand that a lot of hate comes from a section of people who are always mad, but plenty of fans aren't loving this either. Seems that every legit criticism of the show is met with Harshness.
They're introducing Big Bacta as a setup for eventually doing the Bacta Wars arc from the X-Wing books and introducing Ysanne Isard the most evil Star Wars character. (It's a great time for a plague story, right? Right?)
20:43 Darth Vader "I don't like fire. It's hot and irritating...and it gets everywhere"
When Obi-Wan first sees Vader, he not only is seeing his failed Palawan, but the combination of Maul, Dooku, and Grevious.
Why star wars fan are the ones who hate star wars the most lol the show isn't bad . Ppls take star wars too serious some times, opinion are allowed if you don't like it I get it too
I think they did get James Earl Jones back in to record new dialogue and had the Respeecher software smooth it over to make him sound younger. It sounds too natural for it to be 100% digital.
They didn't lol
My worst fears have come true about this show:
The Writing: is below subpar and mediocre. The dialogue is so generic and clichéd and there are way too many contrivances that take place for things to happen in this show. And worst of all, the entire thing just feels so boring. There is no nuance in the story. I'm not expecting game of thrones level writing. But this is so utterly mediocre.
The directing: I hate to say it. But Deborah chow is not cut out to direct this. The entire thing feels like a fan film. The action scenes are pathetic. The shaky cam is ridiculous. The sets look so cheap, it never feels like these are real places they're visiting.
The Music: What is up with all the generic action movie music? There are moments which should be creepy and tense but instead you have this awful bombastic drama music in place. Where is the element of Williams mysterious and powerful music? It's downright shameful that we don't have even a single moment where the imperial march theme plays given that this is as much a Vader centric show as it is Obi wan.
Cinematography: People defend the cheap look saying it's due to the budget but I disagree. There are countless forms of media that have low budgets but make it for it in great practical effects and smart use of film techniques. This is just lack of talent and effort. I'm not expecting every shot to look like a painting (like arcane), but this looks unforgivably boring. The shaky cam especially is ridiculous. It makes every scene look like a fan film.
Important moments: All of the concepts that should be explored by this show are so surface level. Obi wans PTSD is just scratched upon. Everyone has a different opinion on why he does things the way he does because none of it is thoroughly explored. People are filling in the blanks with their own reasoning and characterisation from previous media. This show doesn't contribute to any of the added characterisation.
The first time Obi wan realises Vader lives should be a earth shattering revelation. But aside from Ewan's amazing acting, the scene felt so rushed with Reva just blurting it out (It's insulting that she knows tbh, Vader better kill her).
Their first confrontation was absolutely bare bones. The action was laughably slow and boring. And the actual dialogue was just the bare minimum they could have done. People are praising them for having lines which anybody could think of. There is no ounce of grandeur like the older films.
The presentation is so lacklustre. The inquisitors feel like teenagers bickering over each other, trying desperately to feel intimidating. Why are their entrances so lame? They should be inspiring fear everywhere they go but you see people in the crowd just walking around casually not giving a shit.
A Scene Comparison: Remember the Vader bacta tank scene in rogue one. The music is subtle and ominous, you hear Vader's breath and see his figure come out of the smoke. As the bacta tank empties, you don't see his entire face but just enough to see the terrifying expression and the damage he took. The music is subtle throughout. Then there's the amazing entrance with vaders gigantic shadow towering over the director. It's fantastic visual storytelling. The light version of the imperial march as he walks towards Krenic is perfectly intimidating.
Cut to the bacta tank scene in this show. The music is obnoxiously loud and blaring, the liquid looks cheap and out of focus. While I think Hayden looks incredible a Vader, a full shot of his face removes any iota of mystery to the character. The original trilogy was always careful not to show his face for this reason.
All in all, this is the worst of Disney. Three more episodes won't fix this because it's an issue with the core. While this show isn't nearly as horrible as Boba Fett. This show will be forgotten a couple of months.
I'm heartbroken. I was absolutely looking forward to this. Been a star wars fan since I was 5, but this isn't star wars.
Some many words for unreflected whining
This pretty much sums up my feelings for this show. It confuses me because mandalorian season 2 was amazing in terms of direction, acting and production value, which showed how good a star wars show on TV could be. I don't understand why a show on this scale considering ewan is in it can be this ameturish. There's just so many clunky editing moments.
Funny you mention fan films, because it's no exaggeration to say that this fan film from 2019 is better than this Disney series, and I'm sure the fan film's entire budget wouldn't have covered the Disney's project's craft table costs. ua-cam.com/video/3uDwjIBR9s4/v-deo.html
@@-_-5470 Are you going to call them racist for not loving Reeva? Go ahead. Do it. Do it now.
@@musayibghani3986 Honestly mate, you might disagree with this, I thought mandalorian season 1 was pretty great. But Season 2 also had the same issues. It was just sidequest galore and character cameos with the same contrived writing and plot armor. You might notice these issues on a second watch.
The damaged Hayden voice through the mask is a fun idea cuz they did something similar in Rebels when Vader fights Ahsoka, she slashes a hole in his mask and you see Anakin’s eyes and hear his “normal” voice
I heard someone on StarWarsTheory say that this show feels like a fan film. The lighting and camera work kinda feels cheap, and the acting really isn’t up to par with Ewan McGregor. I also don’t find the plot to be paced well.
All of Star Wars after OT feels like fan films and fanfiction.
I think the girl that played Leia did an amazing job.
I think she did what she was told, it just sucks that the writers and directors decided to tell her to do a dumb thing that makes her look bad
I agree!! But acting performance is only half the battle
she's adorable
@@malteaser It's the same with all of Disney Star Wars: the writers making the actors look bad through bad writing. To me Leia is the worst part of the show because she acts like she is 10 years older than she really is in every scene and I find that really annoying for some reason. I'm not even sure why she needs to be in the show, unless they really are trying to retcon episode 4. She's in the show just for the sake of being in the show.
Especially at outrunning grown men at full pelt.
Fun fact Ewan’s brother is in the Royal Air Force and his call sign is “obi-two”
I won't even fact check, this is cannon now.
Vader can force jump long distances like he does in the Battlefront games it’s probably what he was doing while chasing Ben.
Bf2 is the greatest SW game I've ever played !
@@anthonywoodroof2800 naaaa, 2047 slaps that shit in the dick
@@anthonywoodroof2800 2005 or 2017
@@Cheddar_Wizard never played new ones. '05 one was my life back in the day.
if ur talking about jumping over that fire in episode 3, why the hell didnt he just use force push on the fire again like he did like 20 seconds earlier! lmao
"They wouldn't bring in Hayden Christensen just to stand off in the distance..." They might. But only because Hayden isn't just teasing his appearance, he's also in the suit and providing the voice performance with the help of AI too.
I wouldn't be surprised if they finish this series out without showing Vader's face clearly. Vader's face represents his humanity, and that shouldn't be shown when he's still fully evil. We shouldn't see his face clearly until he shows it to Luke. It's not like this is The Mandalorian, and they can have a character arc where Vader learns that it's OK to let people see his face.
Having him physically in the suit is a mistake in my opinion. Because he’s just not big enough. Darth Vader supposed to be physically portrayed by someone who is like 6’5 and weighs 250 pounds. Hayden is not that. He looks small in the suit..
His face has been exposed before while hes in the suit, in the Ahsoka-Vader fight at the end of Season 2 of Rebels. Not by his choice of course but it was there. I'm expecting something like that if it is gonna come, but i don't want it to take away from that moment.
He's in flashbacks
"He has to be in the suit because the multi billion entertainment company thats pushing child grooming said so"
Get real buddy.
As far as I can tell, Hayden isn’t the voice of Vader at all in this. James Earl Jones seems to have recorded all of the lines, and then Respeecher is using AI to make him sound more like he did when he was younger.