I mean… who gave a fuck about Ironman, Captain America, or Thor before the MCU? Yeah, guardians people cared about even less than the above, but next to no one gave a fuck about the avengers either.
@@chrisxx5583 Cap might’ve just barely been a B+, but yeah, the general public only really knew (not even cared, just knew of) Spider-Man and the X-Men.
I moment i think I noticed is in the beginning Nebula seems to know a little bit more about Rocket then Peter does (and everyone else) which makes sense because they were the only two who didn’t get snapped away for 5 years, and spent that time serving on black widow’s council of heroes
Even when she's floating he's almost always twirling or upside down. Maybe Pom Klementieff likes goofing around on a wire rig so they folded it into the character.
@@hollandscottthomas I JUST found out she's an accomplished Skydiver! So this is likely a gag to her real life ability to effortlessly dance in the sky.
Just quickly just now FYI. Peter Quill says he came up with the plan to capture Thanos but it was Strange who knew the singular outcome that would work. Strange set things up to allow everything to play out and Quill is just taking credit
@@mrsundaymovies From Peter’s point of view his plan would have worked if he hadn’t lost his shit on Thanos. He doesn’t know that only 1 outcome could work because of the time keepers. We also don’t know what Strange’s definition of winning is.
If anyone has ANY doubts about James Gunn’s Superman movie, they need to watch this series of movies. I understand Gunn’s sense of humor and writing style may not be for everyone, however you cant deny the amount of heart and dedication he puts into his projects. If he can bring that same energy and enthusiasm to “Legacy” i think the DCU should be just fine.
@@alx_12109 I’ve googled it, he’s making Superman Legacy. I’ve yet to see him officially confirm it’s gonna be a man yet. I like Gunns movies and trust him to deliver something good, I was just asking cause the change of Superman to SuperGirl in the Flash.
Also, Thom Yorke both sang that version of Creep (recorded well before the movie) and has also expressed how he thinks the lyrics suck and laments how it's turned into a 'loser's anthem' -- I think that makes it fit all the better (and the song was diegetic, as almost every song in every GotG film is)
Well you would think he'd get a new helmet and rocketpack after Gotg2, considering he lives on a space station and watched his father figure die from asphyxiation, in space
James Gunn answered this although not sure if he just made this up on the spot that they were in such a rush to help Rocket that he left all his stuff in Knowhere and in fairness when we first see Peter he was drunk and probably in casual wear.
@@Sbensonn nah, leaving important space stuff while in space is stupid. While I think Peter is the dumbest MCU character I'm still going to have to chalk this one up as a plot hole.
I loved the film from start to finish. While it's inevitable that the MCU is gonna continue the story of some of the characters-- I like how the film gives finality to this franchise and does not leave things unresolved. I'm now more excited for James Gunn's Superman project more than ever.
I find it interesting that a big theme in this movie seems to be second chances with each member of the guardians finding a new lease on life and Peter and Rocket both coming back from the brink of death. Seems relevant to James Gunn's directorial journey.
High evolutionary is a metaphor for marvel, the animals were the Russos n favereu n Gunn was rocket, the one guy with free thought getting away with his chosen family, escaping the homogenizer
Definitely agree that the soundtrack took me out a little bit this time, it does feel like including somewhat more current music means this movie loses a certain sense of identity compared to the other two. On further thought I'm okay with it though, I think it's meant to signify Star-Lord moving away from the trauma that's kept him away from Earth for so long/him handing over Guardians leadership to Rocket. Essentially, the 70's/80's music that we've associated with the Guardians... isn't really a Guardians thing? It's a Peter Quill thing, because that's the time period he's basically been stuck in. Expanding the music lineup feels like him moving on with his life, and also that leadership is transferring to Rocket, who doesn't have the same hang-ups?
I felt the same way about the needledrops in this one. In the other two, the use of music seemed more natural - I think of Vol. 1 when they're flying into Knowhere. "Moonage Daydream" is already quietly playing in the background, and as they approach and fly through the city, they dial up the volume and let the music dominate the sound as you take in the visuals. There was much more switching between diegetic to non-diegetic music. And music was something that the characters used to relate to and understand each other, and how Peter expressed himself. In Vol. 3 they really felt more like Needledrops™. They were playing the song just to play the song - not as seemless or as tied to the story as it was in the other two volumes. This was really my ONLY complaint about the movie, I really loved it.
I think the only exceptions to this would be the first song, the second to last song and the song in the first after credits scene. Creep by Raidohead fits Rocket as a character so perfectly. It fits so well with his alienation and his perception of himself as some imperfect monster due to what was done to him by the High Evolutionary. Plus it fits the defeated and downbeat mood of the team, and particularly quill, after the loss of their gamora, and quill’s spiral into a drunken stooper. Dog days are over by Florence + The Machine, meanwhile, is perfect for the ending. It represents the trauma all of the characters have been through and how they’re finally healing from it. And it matches the cathartic yet bittersweet feeling of seeing the classic team go their separate ways and onto new, better things. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Dog Days is the first song in these soundtracks to be from the 2000s and not the 70s, 80s or 90s. It symbolises the start of a new era for the guardians team, and a new era for leaving members like Quill, Drax, Gamora and Mantis. Come and get your love, admittedly isn’t as deep as the other two, but it was not only a nice callback to the first film, but hearing new leader rocket play one of the first songs played by old team leader Starlord to the new guardians team was a great coming full circle moment.
I feel like in a couple of decades' time, folk who were kids for this will look back on a certain couple of scenes in the same way we look back at that Swamps of Sadness scene in the Neverending Story, y'know?
Will Poulter did well as Adam Warlock and I’d like to see more of him. He has good range. On the way home from the theater I casually say to my husband “you know that was the awkward kid from ‘We’re the Millers’ right?” and he looked at me like I had 3 heads.
I have to disagree with Star Lord being dumbed down in Infinity War. It was his plan that helped incapacitate Thanos on Titan. He and the Guardians were able to hold their own against three of the strongest Avengers. As for his outburst, it was pretty in character. He is the same guy who did not hesitate a moment to blast his father to pieces when he came to know about the cancer-her-head thing.
Honestly, he’s always been a character who acts on emotion, not rationally- I mean he knocked a guy clean out for touching his Walkman in the first one.
@@mrsundaymovies incorrect. Strange allowed Star Lord to devise the plan because this was part of the 1 in 14, 000,605 possibility in which Thanos was eventually defeated. Not to be all umm actually…this detail just helps to show that Quill is a surprisingly creative tactician, likely a result of being an earth kid in space who survives to adulthood.
Star Lord is an expert at fighting villains stronger than him. He beat Ronan with the Power Stone and Ego the Living Planet. Dr Strange tricks Dormammu with the Time Stone, but he can’t use that since it’s what Thanos wants. Iron Man never fought anyone who was significantly more powerful than him. Thor, Hulk, Wanda and Vision were there to fight Ultron.
Man like the subject matter of cruelty to cute little animals, kids in cages and groups of kids being evacuated from violent areas, is going to make you cry or feel emotional regardless of you care about the characters or not.
DC is in really good hands. Gunn is a true fan. Once again the best part of this movie is the characters, and that’s what’s most important. The narrative is a bit of a mess, but it’s way easier to forgive when the characters in the damn thing are all likable and well written. My only worry is that I hope he doesn’t go too light in tone, I think the DCAU is the perfect tone to emulate.
Masons point about the Antman movies, how part of the fun is him changing sizes in the real world, that's very true and not something I had even thought about before, good observation.
I think it's important that James Gunn didn't kill any main characters in this one. With his move to DC, it would've been too much like the kid going home and taking his football with him
I watched it last night and loved it so much so many little things amazing acting and the rocket escaping scene fucking broke me just the cacophony of noise then sudden gunshots then silence and you know whats happened before you see it, i really dont trust anyone but Gunn to do another Guardians movie
Is it bad that I've listened to/watched enough of these that I was able to instantly tell that they must have accidentally double-pasted the intro music on this episode with one several milliseconds delayed from the first?
It was a good movie. They made Mantis a Looney Tunes character for some reason, Adam Warlock was dumbed down to a basic comic relief, the soundtrack was everything I hated about gen x and how whiny and depressing their music was, and yes, waaaay too much animal cruelty. But it was a good movie. I'll probably never watch it again, but it was ok. The Cosmo and Kraglin bad dog joke was probably the best thing about the whole movie.
I really enjoyed Guardians 3 it's the best MCU film I've seen in a while. I also enjoyed the more serious tone the film took. People were saying their tired of the campy humorous nature of the MCU and they delivered but now people are saying it's too serious.
I may have missed something, but it seemed strange to me that Quill seems to begin with a no-killing policy that at some point is thrown out the window. I really like the idea that he stops caring out of frustration and desperation for Rocket, but i don’t recall it being acknowledged at all.
His no kill rule was only when he was at the organic planet since that was just a random company that did business with the HE. Once they get to Counter Earth where people are directly working under the HE and probably were active in the torturing of Rocket the gloves came off. Atleast that is how I read that part.
I'm going to start by saying that I really enjoyed this movie, easily the best MCU movie since Spiderman: No Way Home. But.... Nathan Fillion. I don't get it. I like Fillion, and I have always been of the opinion that Captain Malcom Reynolds was one of the great TV characters. Ever. But.... I don't get it. He played a nameless security dude, but got way more dialogue than any nameless security dude should ever expect to get. A cameo performance, not a walk-on role. So what gives? Is that character someone I should know from Marvel Comics? Is there a history to that character? Or is it a case of Gunn doing a solid for a buddy? An extended audition reel so Kevin Feige says "Hey, I got another movie happening, this guy would be perfect!"? I loved the performance, and think that Fillion would be a perfect fit for the MCU. No question. But I.... don't get it. Can someone explain it to me?
The more I watch James Gunn movies the less I like his movies to be honest In the first guardians the humor never feels out of place but this movie tries so hard to be a good heartfelt movie but it constantly gets interrupted by the dumbest jokes for no reason He did this is peace maker and since that show was a comedy I’ll forgive it but the second suicide squad also had this kinda “heartfelt story ruined by dumb jokes” I don’t understand why we need to have every superhero movie or just big budget movie be a comedy now I think it’s fine to have a movie that doesn’t constantly need to be joking Oppenheimer for example
Mantis and nebula were stand outs for me as to development amazing all through out I felt nebula was really the crutch the team needed after gamoras passing. Everyone was great great movie cried the entire way through but wow what a send off to a team 🎉. Good luck to James on the DC side of things. Hope there’s a dance off at the end of one of their movies and we all share the same sentiments as we did with this movie.
Too much yelling! Way too much and I find it a cheap substitute for ‘drama’. It takes me out of the dialogue. Gamora is one of my all time favourite MCU characters and after nearly yelling all her lines for the whole movie I just wanted her gone by the end.
I loved Chekhov's gravity boots! At the beginning, Rocket talks about trying out new grav boots as why he's walking on the ceiling, and then the Evolutionary explains how he manipulates gravity to be powerful much later. Rocket turning on the grav boots at the end to cancel out the effect was such an "ah ha!" moment for me.
Despite the boots being spelled out in the beginning of the movie, I did NOT see them coming back around until Rocket finally presses the button. Fucking amazing.
@@nickszune7196 I had to watch it a second time to realize he activated his gravity boots from the beginning of the movie. That's when I had the "ohhhh ok that's why" moment.
Agreed I thought that was awesome. It’s such a simple solution to an otherwise OP power, and without it the High Evolutionary has nothing on Rocket. Plus it’s just cool that Rocket is making his own gravity boots. Also it reminds me of Ratchet and Clank lol, which is great because Iron Man calls Rocket “Ratchet” in Endgame.
My friend pointed out that Rocket's little keycard device that he created to open the cages is the same device he had when we first saw him in GotG1 when hes reading about the bounties. I love James Gunn for bringing that device full circle.
Was also phenomenal how they ended where it all began back on earth with his grandfather. Movie wasn’t perfect but damn did Gunn tie things together nicely in this finale.
I would've loved your take on Hollywood's worst lesson to take from the success of this Guardians. "GOTG 3 was successful, we've gotta get more animal cruelty in stories!"
Many Marvel movies feature heroes that create their own villains. This one has a villain that creates a hero. And then, because that hero has something that he himself doesn't have - the capacity to love, one might even say a soul - he can't stand his existence and tries to destroy him. And gets his face ripped off for his trouble. A satisfying change, I thought.
High Evolutionary/ creativity - 1/2 of Batch 89 had this skill. Lila had it too - not just Rocket. SHE was the one who prodded "what will our names be?" THAT'S creativity. I think Lila helped Rocket continue that, like maybe he wouldn't have on his own without her encouragement.
I think it’s interesting and probably in character that the high evolutionary only cares about the kind of creativity that forwards his on agenda, not accepting that it’s all part of the same creative nature that gave rocket empathy
I loved that the post credits scene is just a joke and not a teaser for a future thing. This movie is completely divorced from the mcu’s perpetual sequel machine and I love it.
Agreed. This should have been mentioned in the review. Peter is going back to his Earth family and starting to heal. But it's also just dealing with an old man who's everyday life is being grouchy about his neighbors.
If I had a nickel for every time “No Sleep til Brooklyn” played in a Chris Pratt film, I would have 2 nickels. It isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened more than once within a 1 month timeframe.
One of my favorite characters in this was nebula, seeing how she worked with the others and how much she cared about them while still acting all stoic and hardened was great, especially her concern for the badger in the med Bay
Nebula became my favorite MCU character during the scene in Endgame where she and Rhodey are on Morag quietly marveling at how uncomfortably embarrassing Quill's dance number was. I've been longing for a War Machine / Nebula buddy comedy for years now.
Honestly I think Guardians 2 ending was much better. The loss of a surrogate father after defeating the villainous real father, a moment of clarity and catharsis tinted with grief and redemption, all set to a beautiful funeral firework with the perfect accompanying music. Guardians 2 is just so much more emotionally satisfying from start to finish.
I'm sick of these Hollywood villains, where when you meet the villain you empathize with him and he's not really a villain, Cruella type. I'm happy we can hate this villain without him being a tormented good guy.
Nah I feel like when they do tormented most of the time they don't do it right and make the villain too sympathetic but I do agree it's a nice change of pace to see a down right evil villain character like the High Evolutionary character
I feel that what's happened is Hollywood's confusing types of villains with good villains. Like yeah, having sympathetic villains is great, but you can make a horrible person intresting.
I loved Adam and Ayesha in this movie. I really appreciated the funny little goofy side villains they turned out to be. Wished there was more of them but they were fun while they lasted
I love those two. Reminds me of Dick Dastardly and Muttley from Wacky Races. Just trying to capture Rocket but always seeming to fail. I also love Ayesha always wanting to present herself as a superior being but almost always losing her cool when things don't go her way.
I didn't have high hopes for Warlock going in, but I'm super impressed how he managed to take such little dialog and screen time and knock his role out of the park. Somehow in a film full of memorable moments he managed to take a bit part and totally stand out as one of the (many) high points.
Really think about this.... At the beginning Drax says he wants to "kill everyone" and Star Lord says "we kill no one" Drax says "we'll kill one guy, one really pathetic guy with no friends", which Star Lord says is "just making it sad.." Okay? Later Quill sees what the High Evolutionary did to Rocket and he says "Kill 'em all" But Groot, who's proxy for Rocket's moral compass, as his best friend, saves Adam Warlock because "Everyone deserves a second chance." Partially exemplified in Rocket's decision not to kill the High Evolutionary (happens to be one really pathetic guy with no friends) and unlike Peter, Rocket didn't see what he did, he experienced it, it was done to him, and he still showed mercy. James Gunn has now said repeatedly that Rocket Raccoon is the stealth protagonist of the series. All that is to say the whole point of that line, in a way, is that Rocket is more of a hero than Star Lord is.
i imagine it’s hard for gunn to get as good of needle drops as that first guardians movie because his whole schtick has been completely aped. i don’t think anyone’s done it as well as him but i imagine it’s hard to keep doing it fresh when everyone’s trying to do your thing
To be fair, Guardians 2 was petering on that excessively schlocky goofiness so I'm glad he kinda put some more emphasis on a darker tone for 3. At least it didn't go to wacky and end up being like Love and Thunder.
I think its funny how the original Suicide Squad felt (imo) like it was trying to do similar stuff as GoG, then for the sequel they just got him to direct it lol
@@mchikos suicide squad was made with a light influence by guardians (guardians success was the whole reason suicide squad was greenlit), but after the bohemian rhapsody trailer came out audiences loved that. so they had the trailerhouse do a new cut of suicide squad, test audiences didn’t really like it much better than the ayer cut, so the studio mushed them together and that’s what we got. FoldingIdeas has a couple great videos on how suicide squad came to be how it was
One thing I've not seen many people mention, is that the guardians set up base in the last place he ever saw the love of his life. No wonder he'd have a bit of trauma
I had that thought cross my mind yesterday, just thinking about how they made their home in a place where they have 2 different traumatic events there, both the first confrontation with Thanos, and Ronan's assault in the first movie where Drax almost dies because of his bravado
I took my Dad to watch this and he had the most Dad-like criticism. I brought up the part when Rocket's friends get killed and his response was "first of all I don't understand why he's kept them around for so long because in comparison to other technology in these Marvel films they look like shit so I'd be embarrassed. I could've done a better job on that Walrus - I'd have given it 4 wheels for a start".
Everybody's too hard on Endgame Starlord. The dude had just reached the end conclusion of his character arc by killing Gamora, symbolically learning to let go like he couldn't with his mom, and at the moment that character actualization happens, Thanos snaps his fingers and goes "Haha jk, you don't get closure." He's left in an unstable and reflexively immature state as he has to grapple with the fact that he made the choice to kill the woman he loved to save the universe, and acted on that choice, but the universe wasn't saved, and the only hope left for Starlord was that Gamora was still alive. All that hope comes crashing down in a single moment. And he lashes out in anger. Unwittingly dooming everyone.
It's not that, his whole plan was to give thanos what he deserves and his alternate to that was to risk messing that plan up to punch in the face a guy that could take a punch from hulk? That's like me having Hitler hanging over an acid pool, learning he killed my father then pulling him away from the pool so I could give him a will smith slap or poke him in the eye 3 stooges style. And You can see what such an outburst did for chris rocks career vs will Smith's career - theres a lesson here
@@johnstevensstevens402 Yeah, but if you remember Will Smith did hit Chris Rock. People's emotions do sometimes get the better of them, especially in high-stress moments.
@@Wrynwynn high stress? Id have bought it if he didn't try to kill gamora himself a few scenes earlier where it was thanos that saved her. why doesn't he give himself a slap for that? Obviously the stress couldnt have been too high if he was able to get over himself enough to pull the trigger in that instance. Plus that was a life or death scenario. He'd kill her to save the world but cant sit through hearing an obituary of her to save it?? Its silly
Given that Vol. 2 is capped with Yondu’s incredible death sequence, that fact that he sacrifices himself, and that it resonates so well emotionally, I’m glad that Vol. 3 didn’t go down the same route. Having it end with the Guardians all leaving to pursue their own ambitions felt in equally parts satisfying and sad - great conclusion.
One thing I do love about the mix of quip/humour & seriousness in this is, compared to other MCU, when it's time to fight, they are actually savage, serious, and deadly, and then afterward they joke. Other MCU movie, I hate when they throw jokes left & right while fighting bad guys.
I disagree that the High Evolutionary "hated" Rocket in the way you seem to imply. The High Evolutionary as depicted in this movie is greatly inspired by Roy Thomas's story with him. And yes indeed, he is a biblical god allegory. You can see influences of this all over this movie. When it comes to Rocket, he was more shocked that Rocket seemed to develop this "creativity" out of his own, and not by the High Evolutionary's hand. Then he's further enraged that Rocket is not conforming to the design that the Hogh Evolutionary has. The High Evolutionary himself says to one of underlings that his new creations (the more human looking children) are amazing, but lack what Rocket has, that it's a needed component for them to possess. And so, we come full circle to the biblical allegory again. The biblical God gives man free will, but constantly punishes man when he deviates from God's plan.
This was a great send-off, the last scene and the first post credit really hit me with the feels. I'm glad that at least for the near future this group has a proper conclusion.
Honestly I'm kind of sad that Thor wasn't in this movie. I would have loved to see how James Gunn handled Thor. I feel like that would have been really interesting and given the character a different look than we've seen for him recently.
I thought it would be the plot of Thor 4, with him teaming up with the Guardians (since Gunn and Waititi are kind of chummy), and the whole movie was just that first 20 minutes, with him just figuring his shit out on adventures. It would also give us a preview of the new status quo, like Rocket being the only Guardian that wasn't snapped, and Nebula joining the team after Endgame. Pick up that thread of Peter being overshadowed by Thor's power (but way more competent otherwise). Thor: Asgardian of the Galaxy! It was right there!
As much as I would love Thor in the film I think he would have totally undermined Adam Warlock's presence in his fight scene on Knowhere. Like the Guardians were just strong enough together to get rid of him momentarily. I could see Thor just destroying Adam.
They should've had the guardians tag along through the entirety of thor 4 then at the end he parts ways with them to take care of that child heck if you want that could've helped set up drax wanting to in some way be a father again
Just thought I’d let anyone who really isn’t listening to the whole podcast that it’s genuinely hilarious. I don’t think I’ve ever finished one of there episodes feeling like I hadn’t made a good investment with my time. Keep up the good work James and Maso
I like a good team fight too. Honor Amongst Thieve was great. (You need to talk about that movie!) GOTG 3 had some good team moments. Of what I've seen of James Gunn he has two styles or variations. There is his rated R I can do whatever I want style. And his PG13 I guess I should dial it back a bit style. One does not feel like a knock off of the other. His R stuff is hilarious, but often a little too crass. His PG13 stuff seems more heartfelt, a little schmaltzy, but ultimately more memorable for me. He is a great film maker in my book. That said, I haven't seen anything that feels like a Superman movie, and it might be that he hasn't done one yet, and it's gonna require the right actor. I'm skeptical.
Exactly I'm not sure he can pull off a superman. I'm excited to see what he comes up with regardless. I will say though he's really good at making characters feel very human which superman should feel like. Not like some God diety.
At first, I thought the needle drops were a bit jarring too. Jumping around in eras of music. But then, halfway through the movie I realized the songs were chosen for their themes and meaning rather than the era necessarily. A LOT of the songs deal with alienation and reaching out for human connection and compassion. Which, is one of the big themes of the film and where the Guardians are all at in their personal journeys.
⚠️ SPOILIES ⚠️ I wish we could’ve seen Rockets’ mental relent once the team told him they knew everything he had been bottling up his whole life. He locked those times away but everyone saw everything, so it would’ve been nice to see him come to terms and take that weight off his shoulders in the end!
It is currently 2026 in the MCU. Avengers: Endgame takes place in 2023. Avengers: Infinity War took place in 2018 and Endgame did a five year time jump. Then Spiderman: Far From Home starts in the summer of 2024 and Spiderman: No way Home picks up at the end of summer in 2024. Then Spiderman NWH ends in Christmas of 2025 and the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special takes place at the end of Spiderman NWH. And then this movie happens lol
The mcu has actually done exceptionally well if you take into consideration it basically had to rebuild after endgame, had main actors leave and pass away. The problem is the general public only remembers the highs of infinity war and endgame and not the lows or ok movies from ohase 1-3. MCU has always been 60% good 20% exceptional 20% meh. Phasr 4/5 is no different. Its the likable characters and there interactions that make the whole thing work.
Iron Man 2 is objectively a more developed movie than Endgame, because Endgame was basically a victory lap full of chopped up fan service. Where they went wrong was trying to continue franchises like Thor, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, and Captain America coming out of Endgame. The earth based universe needed to reset and build up from scratch using characters like Shang-Chi, the Fantastic Four, and maybe even a Daredevil or someone like that.
Loved the movie. Cried... a lot! Rocket has always been my favorite so this movie really tore my heart out. And the built up relationships between all the Guardians was great to see and very emotional too. My only criticism would be the same as yours, how the music at times came in a bit strong and jarringly. Even commented with my friends as we came out of the theater. But I didn't make the connection with the Zune and how it was probably emulating the use of it. Definitely an incredible send-off to Gunn's GotG.
Pausing at 20:00 to stop watching this review because ya know what? You convinced me. I wasn't going to see this because the MCU has been so bleh for a while now, but it really sounds like this one was a return to form.
It's funny because here in Spain there's no rule with the swearing in movies and if you see this movie in the Spanish dubbed version they easily drop the F bomb 10 times.
That "kill everybody" scene they gunned down a room full of scientists. That was kind of brutal. I didnt see anyone shooting back. I might have missed it with them rotating the camera around Peter and Groot but they seemed unarmed to me.
At the start of the movie when they were in the meet planet thing, Starlord didnt want to kill anyone, he explicitly avoided it. It was only after he saw what they’d done to rocket that he went “fuck these guys” and decided they all could go to hell and i love that
As a biomed scientist myself, no one who would take a job where they do things like that deserve to live. Those creatures are clearly sentient and what they did was torture and murder. I would argue that a hired goon holding a gun deserves to die much less.
@@AuspexAO I agree, especially as near the end when the second in command attempted to take control of the ship, not to stop what the High Evolutionary's mission, but to retreat and presumably continue their work.
I understand the whiplash that many felt with this film, but I loved the ride. Moments to laugh or cheer on the team in between the animal torture horror flick. Also, there’s some *messed up* stuff aside from the animal cruelty that really surprises me that it made it into the film. Shocking, heart pounding, and emotional. Loved it.
Who woulda thought that Marvel’s best trilogy would be about a team nobody cared about before their movies.
I mean… who gave a fuck about Ironman, Captain America, or Thor before the MCU? Yeah, guardians people cared about even less than the above, but next to no one gave a fuck about the avengers either.
@@chimericalical Agreed. Iron Man and Captain America were B tier at best
I dunno. Vol. 2 wasn't great...
I cared and it's why I am so happy they are now known as the best
@@chrisxx5583 Cap might’ve just barely been a B+, but yeah, the general public only really knew (not even cared, just knew of) Spider-Man and the X-Men.
I moment i think I noticed is in the beginning Nebula seems to know a little bit more about Rocket then Peter does (and everyone else) which makes sense because they were the only two who didn’t get snapped away for 5 years, and spent that time serving on black widow’s council of heroes
That also explains why Nebula is the first person Rocket asks about when he wakes up
she also mention's rocket helped upgrade her body. they've both been through horrific torture and experimentation so they have a lot in common.
I love the very subtle gag of Mantis always landing on her head. I can’t be the only one that saw that.
Even when she's floating he's almost always twirling or upside down. Maybe Pom Klementieff likes goofing around on a wire rig so they folded it into the character.
@@hollandscottthomas I JUST found out she's an accomplished Skydiver! So this is likely a gag to her real life ability to effortlessly dance in the sky.
YES, great bit. You're the first person I've seen to point this out
I thought they overplayed it
Nah they didn't over play it. She landing the superhero landing in the hallway scene
Just quickly just now FYI. Peter Quill says he came up with the plan to capture Thanos but it was Strange who knew the singular outcome that would work. Strange set things up to allow everything to play out and Quill is just taking credit
Or think a different thing it doesn't matter
@@mrsundaymovies no I choose to think that thing
Pretty sure there's more than 14 million outcomes to a fight and strange knows that, so he's still hoping for the best until he has no choice.
@@mrsundaymovies From Peter’s point of view his plan would have worked if he hadn’t lost his shit on Thanos. He doesn’t know that only 1 outcome could work because of the time keepers. We also don’t know what Strange’s definition of winning is.
I don't think that means it wasn't still Quills idea, just that Strange was able to forsee it, and let it play out.
If anyone has ANY doubts about James Gunn’s Superman movie, they need to watch this series of movies. I understand Gunn’s sense of humor and writing style may not be for everyone, however you cant deny the amount of heart and dedication he puts into his projects. If he can bring that same energy and enthusiasm to “Legacy” i think the DCU should be just fine.
I think he'll absolutely be flexible enough to adjust his humor, action and emotion to fit Clark perfectly
You mean SuperGirl right?
@@toooriginal3816 no, i meant superman. Gunn has already started writing and will direct the Superman movie in his DCU
@@alx_12109 I’ve googled it, he’s making Superman Legacy. I’ve yet to see him officially confirm it’s gonna be a man yet. I like Gunns movies and trust him to deliver something good, I was just asking cause the change of Superman to SuperGirl in the Flash.
If the new DCU fails its WBD’s fault, not Gunn’s
Honestly I think this might be my favourite MCU project. I've seen it 5 days ago and am still thinking about it. It's so good man
Feel the same way, it’s easily my favourite MCU movie, it has so much heart and the comedy really pays off at the correct times.
Yes animal cruelty ftw . . .
It's a film not a project.
@@SuperAllonzyYou obviously haven't seen this movie.
@@SuperAllonzy its literally fake animals bro humans do worse to real animals every day
Also, Thom Yorke both sang that version of Creep (recorded well before the movie) and has also expressed how he thinks the lyrics suck and laments how it's turned into a 'loser's anthem' -- I think that makes it fit all the better (and the song was diegetic, as almost every song in every GotG film is)
Diagetes type 1 or type 2?
Bloody got ya mate!
It's definitely a song you put on to validate your depression, something you really shouldn't do
@@walrusArmageddon From what I understand that's what he hates about the song the most
You’ve clearly watched RLM review. LOL
When Starlord "dies" I couldn't help thinking, doesn't this guy have rocket boots and a face covering that let's him fly in space?
Lost them during GOTG2 but the Russo’s either forgot or didn’t care about continuity and brought them back for Infinity War & Endgame.
Well you would think he'd get a new helmet and rocketpack after Gotg2, considering he lives on a space station and watched his father figure die from asphyxiation, in space
@@MrRobertGillanNo need to keep continuity where that's concerned, cuz he knows a number of people that could've made him new ones (namely Rocket)...
James Gunn answered this although not sure if he just made this up on the spot that they were in such a rush to help Rocket that he left all his stuff in Knowhere and in fairness when we first see Peter he was drunk and probably in casual wear.
@@Sbensonn nah, leaving important space stuff while in space is stupid. While I think Peter is the dumbest MCU character I'm still going to have to chalk this one up as a plot hole.
I loved the film from start to finish.
While it's inevitable that the MCU is gonna continue the story of some of the characters-- I like how the film gives finality to this franchise and does not leave things unresolved.
I'm now more excited for James Gunn's Superman project more than ever.
I find it interesting that a big theme in this movie seems to be second chances with each member of the guardians finding a new lease on life and Peter and Rocket both coming back from the brink of death. Seems relevant to James Gunn's directorial journey.
Damn, he’s trying to brainwash us
High evolutionary is a metaphor for marvel, the animals were the Russos n favereu n Gunn was rocket, the one guy with free thought getting away with his chosen family, escaping the homogenizer
Definitely agree that the soundtrack took me out a little bit this time, it does feel like including somewhat more current music means this movie loses a certain sense of identity compared to the other two.
On further thought I'm okay with it though, I think it's meant to signify Star-Lord moving away from the trauma that's kept him away from Earth for so long/him handing over Guardians leadership to Rocket.
Essentially, the 70's/80's music that we've associated with the Guardians... isn't really a Guardians thing? It's a Peter Quill thing, because that's the time period he's basically been stuck in. Expanding the music lineup feels like him moving on with his life, and also that leadership is transferring to Rocket, who doesn't have the same hang-ups?
I felt the same way about the needledrops in this one. In the other two, the use of music seemed more natural - I think of Vol. 1 when they're flying into Knowhere. "Moonage Daydream" is already quietly playing in the background, and as they approach and fly through the city, they dial up the volume and let the music dominate the sound as you take in the visuals. There was much more switching between diegetic to non-diegetic music. And music was something that the characters used to relate to and understand each other, and how Peter expressed himself.
In Vol. 3 they really felt more like Needledrops™. They were playing the song just to play the song - not as seemless or as tied to the story as it was in the other two volumes. This was really my ONLY complaint about the movie, I really loved it.
I think the only exceptions to this would be the first song, the second to last song and the song in the first after credits scene.
Creep by Raidohead fits Rocket as a character so perfectly. It fits so well with his alienation and his perception of himself as some imperfect monster due to what was done to him by the High Evolutionary. Plus it fits the defeated and downbeat mood of the team, and particularly quill, after the loss of their gamora, and quill’s spiral into a drunken stooper.
Dog days are over by Florence + The Machine, meanwhile, is perfect for the ending. It represents the trauma all of the characters have been through and how they’re finally healing from it. And it matches the cathartic yet bittersweet feeling of seeing the classic team go their separate ways and onto new, better things. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that Dog Days is the first song in these soundtracks to be from the 2000s and not the 70s, 80s or 90s. It symbolises the start of a new era for the guardians team, and a new era for leaving members like Quill, Drax, Gamora and Mantis.
Come and get your love, admittedly isn’t as deep as the other two, but it was not only a nice callback to the first film, but hearing new leader rocket play one of the first songs played by old team leader Starlord to the new guardians team was a great coming full circle moment.
I feel like in a couple of decades' time, folk who were kids for this will look back on a certain couple of scenes in the same way we look back at that Swamps of Sadness scene in the Neverending Story, y'know?
Will Poulter did well as Adam Warlock and I’d like to see more of him. He has good range. On the way home from the theater I casually say to my husband “you know that was the awkward kid from ‘We’re the Millers’ right?” and he looked at me like I had 3 heads.
You watched this in a cinema Kelly. Not a theatre.
I have to disagree with Star Lord being dumbed down in Infinity War. It was his plan that helped incapacitate Thanos on Titan. He and the Guardians were able to hold their own against three of the strongest Avengers. As for his outburst, it was pretty in character. He is the same guy who did not hesitate a moment to blast his father to pieces when he came to know about the cancer-her-head thing.
Strange came up with the plan, he just took credit
Honestly, he’s always been a character who acts on emotion, not rationally- I mean he knocked a guy clean out for touching his Walkman in the first one.
@@mrsundaymovies Tbh, I don't remember much about that scene to argue further, so fair enough.
@@mrsundaymovies incorrect. Strange allowed Star Lord to devise the plan because this was part of the 1 in 14, 000,605 possibility in which Thanos was eventually defeated. Not to be all umm actually…this detail just helps to show that Quill is a surprisingly creative tactician, likely a result of being an earth kid in space who survives to adulthood.
Star Lord is an expert at fighting villains stronger than him. He beat Ronan with the Power Stone and Ego the Living Planet. Dr Strange tricks Dormammu with the Time Stone, but he can’t use that since it’s what Thanos wants. Iron Man never fought anyone who was significantly more powerful than him. Thor, Hulk, Wanda and Vision were there to fight Ultron.
Lmao I love how in sync you guys were when harmonizing at 17:51
But great review, I’m glad everyone else is enjoying this movie as much as I did.
I took Groot speaking english at the end as the audience being so close to the characters at the end that we can actually understand him now
Loved tht the villain was just evil marvel was stuck making sympathetic villains so this felt like a breath of fresh air.
I enjoyed Vol 3. I don't care if they make anymore movies
2:06 As a fan of animal cruelty, I certainly won't be missing this fine film
Love you guys. Thanks for making hilarious and entertaining content.
What happened to star-Lords mask? It was all I could think about when he nearly froze to death in space
My dad brought this up too. Also what about his rocket boots?
don’t forget the best “team gets together to kick the shit out of the villain” scene- that fax machine in Office Space
I watched Endgame but completely forgot that Gamora died, so through the entire GotG, Vol 3 film I was trying to remember how Gamora died in Vol 2.
Songs I recognized and liked, crazy on you by heart, since you been gone by rainbow, no sleep till Brooklyn
Man like the subject matter of cruelty to cute little animals, kids in cages and groups of kids being evacuated from violent areas, is going to make you cry or feel emotional regardless of you care about the characters or not.
DC is in really good hands. Gunn is a true fan. Once again the best part of this movie is the characters, and that’s what’s most important. The narrative is a bit of a mess, but it’s way easier to forgive when the characters in the damn thing are all likable and well written. My only worry is that I hope he doesn’t go too light in tone, I think the DCAU is the perfect tone to emulate.
Been watching you too since the cancelled bvs movie video and I’ll truly never get bored of u both thank u guys for the entertainment :)
My brother is actually on of those people who is a GotG fan only and he had to lean over to me and ask me what happened to Gamora
Masons point about the Antman movies, how part of the fun is him changing sizes in the real world, that's very true and not something I had even thought about before, good observation.
19:52 That F bomb was CATHARTIC AF.😂
I think it's important that James Gunn didn't kill any main characters in this one. With his move to DC, it would've been too much like the kid going home and taking his football with him
The scene where Knowhere warps in reminds me of the Firefly warping in with the Reavers in tow in Serenity.
I watched it last night and loved it so much so many little things amazing acting and the rocket escaping scene fucking broke me just the cacophony of noise then sudden gunshots then silence and you know whats happened before you see it, i really dont trust anyone but Gunn to do another Guardians movie
Oh man! I agree so much about Star-Lord in Avengers!
Is it bad that I've listened to/watched enough of these that I was able to instantly tell that they must have accidentally double-pasted the intro music on this episode with one several milliseconds delayed from the first?
It was a good movie. They made Mantis a Looney Tunes character for some reason, Adam Warlock was dumbed down to a basic comic relief, the soundtrack was everything I hated about gen x and how whiny and depressing their music was, and yes, waaaay too much animal cruelty.
But it was a good movie. I'll probably never watch it again, but it was ok.
The Cosmo and Kraglin bad dog joke was probably the best thing about the whole movie.
Guardians 3 was the only decent movie out of Marvel in phase 4. Even the Disney+ shows were extremely lacklustre.
I really enjoyed Guardians 3 it's the best MCU film I've seen in a while. I also enjoyed the more serious tone the film took. People were saying their tired of the campy humorous nature of the MCU and they delivered but now people are saying it's too serious.
I may have missed something, but it seemed strange to me that Quill seems to begin with a no-killing policy that at some point is thrown out the window. I really like the idea that he stops caring out of frustration and desperation for Rocket, but i don’t recall it being acknowledged at all.
After seeing the cruelty being done to the children, animals, and an entire planet being destroyed; no mercy would be spared beyond that point
he never had a no-kill rule, he’s just not a bloodthirsty murderer and probably would rather not leave a trail of death everywhere he goes
His no kill rule was only when he was at the organic planet since that was just a random company that did business with the HE. Once they get to Counter Earth where people are directly working under the HE and probably were active in the torturing of Rocket the gloves came off. Atleast that is how I read that part.
I'm going to start by saying that I really enjoyed this movie, easily the best MCU movie since Spiderman: No Way Home.
But.... Nathan Fillion.
I don't get it.
I like Fillion, and I have always been of the opinion that Captain Malcom Reynolds was one of the great TV characters. Ever.
But.... I don't get it.
He played a nameless security dude, but got way more dialogue than any nameless security dude should ever expect to get.
A cameo performance, not a walk-on role.
So what gives? Is that character someone I should know from Marvel Comics? Is there a history to that character?
Or is it a case of Gunn doing a solid for a buddy? An extended audition reel so Kevin Feige says "Hey, I got another movie happening, this guy would be perfect!"?
I loved the performance, and think that Fillion would be a perfect fit for the MCU. No question.
But I.... don't get it. Can someone explain it to me?
Don't wear out your ENTER key.
Best song with Superman somewhere in the title?
The music and comedy were slightly toned down for this one. Which was appropirate
I absolutely adored this movie
Best MCU film and probably the last
Any one of the Guardians movies absolutely should have had Prism’s Spaceship Superstar.
The more I watch James Gunn movies the less I like his movies to be honest
In the first guardians the humor never feels out of place but this movie tries so hard to be a good heartfelt movie but it constantly gets interrupted by the dumbest jokes for no reason
He did this is peace maker and since that show was a comedy I’ll forgive it but the second suicide squad also had this kinda “heartfelt story ruined by dumb jokes”
I don’t understand why we need to have every superhero movie or just big budget movie be a comedy now
I think it’s fine to have a movie that doesn’t constantly need to be joking
Oppenheimer for example
Mantis and nebula were stand outs for me as to development amazing all through out I felt nebula was really the crutch the team needed after gamoras passing. Everyone was great great movie cried the entire way through but wow what a send off to a team 🎉. Good luck to James on the DC side of things. Hope there’s a dance off at the end of one of their movies and we all share the same sentiments as we did with this movie.
I feel like the rocket raccoon movie inside of this gotg movie was fantastic
The demise of Marvel, and the return of DC by Ennio Morricone.
Too much yelling! Way too much and I find it a cheap substitute for ‘drama’.
It takes me out of the dialogue.
Gamora is one of my all time favourite MCU characters and after nearly yelling all her lines for the whole movie I just wanted her gone by the end.
Really liked this one a lot! I hope Gunn saves the DCU also...
Drax’s depressing start in GotG1 concluded so beautifully with him getting to be a dad to a bunch of children. Good shit man
I loved Chekhov's gravity boots! At the beginning, Rocket talks about trying out new grav boots as why he's walking on the ceiling, and then the Evolutionary explains how he manipulates gravity to be powerful much later. Rocket turning on the grav boots at the end to cancel out the effect was such an "ah ha!" moment for me.
Despite the boots being spelled out in the beginning of the movie, I did NOT see them coming back around until Rocket finally presses the button. Fucking amazing.
Lmao I made the same joke in the podcast comments
@@nickszune7196 I had to watch it a second time to realize he activated his gravity boots from the beginning of the movie. That's when I had the "ohhhh ok that's why" moment.
Agreed I thought that was awesome. It’s such a simple solution to an otherwise OP power, and without it the High Evolutionary has nothing on Rocket. Plus it’s just cool that Rocket is making his own gravity boots. Also it reminds me of Ratchet and Clank lol, which is great because Iron Man calls Rocket “Ratchet” in Endgame.
probably also a call back to their prison escape in volume 1.
My friend pointed out that Rocket's little keycard device that he created to open the cages is the same device he had when we first saw him in GotG1 when hes reading about the bounties. I love James Gunn for bringing that device full circle.
Was also phenomenal how they ended where it all began back on earth with his grandfather. Movie wasn’t perfect but damn did Gunn tie things together nicely in this finale.
Cliched.
I really liked seeing a little special bond between Rocket and Nebula since they were the only two to survive the Snap. It was a really nice touch.
Me too that's a fun little thing
I would've loved your take on Hollywood's worst lesson to take from the success of this Guardians.
"GOTG 3 was successful, we've gotta get more animal cruelty in stories!"
Most of the tone of the MCU is taking after the success of the first Guardians, and only Antman 1,2, and Thor 3 have done it properly
And I heard, child murder is big in GotG trilogy
@@soulxsurvivor antman 1 and 2 are tremendously mid
@@soulxsurvivor Ant-Man 2 did nothing properly, let's be honest.
The Andy Serkis Planet of the Apes also featured experimenting on animals . Maybe you’re on to something…
Many Marvel movies feature heroes that create their own villains. This one has a villain that creates a hero. And then, because that hero has something that he himself doesn't have - the capacity to love, one might even say a soul - he can't stand his existence and tries to destroy him. And gets his face ripped off for his trouble. A satisfying change, I thought.
That's a really interesting observation
@@mrsundaymovies Why thank you. x
High Evolutionary/ creativity - 1/2 of Batch 89 had this skill. Lila had it too - not just Rocket.
SHE was the one who prodded "what will our names be?" THAT'S creativity. I think Lila helped Rocket continue that, like maybe he wouldn't have on his own without her encouragement.
Nice catch
You SUMMED it all UP PERFECTLY!!!! She WAS a BIG part of ROCKET'S LIFE!!!!!Man..... I wished his 3 fury friends SURVIVED!!!!
I think it’s interesting and probably in character that the high evolutionary only cares about the kind of creativity that forwards his on agenda, not accepting that it’s all part of the same creative nature that gave rocket empathy
I loved that the post credits scene is just a joke and not a teaser for a future thing. This movie is completely divorced from the mcu’s perpetual sequel machine and I love it.
Agreed. This should have been mentioned in the review. Peter is going back to his Earth family and starting to heal. But it's also just dealing with an old man who's everyday life is being grouchy about his neighbors.
It.. does say he will return though..
To be fair, the post-credits scene is *usually* just a joke. It’s the mid-credits scene that teases a future thing, and this movie did that too.
MCU brand is damaged, so nobody really going to see this like phases 1-3.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 well by your name I know a fanboy.
I did NOT expect to cry during a Marvel movie, but Rocket's origin scenes were just heartbreaking.
I was covering my face with my hands during those parts 💔
If I had a nickel for every time “No Sleep til Brooklyn” played in a Chris Pratt film, I would have 2 nickels. It isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened more than once within a 1 month timeframe.
Mario?
It must be part of his new standard contract, that song has to be in all of his movies.
When the song came on, I did question if I already listened to the Caravan of Garbage review for the movie.
Also Mr Blue Sky
One of my favorite characters in this was nebula, seeing how she worked with the others and how much she cared about them while still acting all stoic and hardened was great, especially her concern for the badger in the med Bay
And how happy she was to hear his voice over the comms.🥲
Nebula became my favorite MCU character during the scene in Endgame where she and Rhodey are on Morag quietly marveling at how uncomfortably embarrassing Quill's dance number was. I've been longing for a War Machine / Nebula buddy comedy for years now.
@@Frankenstyleish
"So..........he's an idiot?"
"😑 Yeah."
Her delivery was the best.
“All I wanted was a sister!”
Nebulas writing is under appreciated throughout the MCU
@@marcgonzalez9690 also great.
The ending was so emotional and satisfying. James Gunn is a genius.
Honestly I think Guardians 2 ending was much better. The loss of a surrogate father after defeating the villainous real father, a moment of clarity and catharsis tinted with grief and redemption, all set to a beautiful funeral firework with the perfect accompanying music. Guardians 2 is just so much more emotionally satisfying from start to finish.
@@LizardSpork guardians 2 is mid
@@spike5499 marvel is mid.
@@liamryan2056 since endgame yeah
L to both of you.
I'm sick of these Hollywood villains, where when you meet the villain you empathize with him and he's not really a villain, Cruella type. I'm happy we can hate this villain without him being a tormented good guy.
Yeah, James Gunn really is a villain that is hard to sympathize with. He enjoys kids and Toddlers riding his Rocket Raccoon.
Puss in boots 2 did a better job than most movies now adays
Nah I feel like when they do tormented most of the time they don't do it right and make the villain too sympathetic but I do agree it's a nice change of pace to see a down right evil villain character like the High Evolutionary character
@@RobotacularRoBob huh?
I feel that what's happened is Hollywood's confusing types of villains with good villains.
Like yeah, having sympathetic villains is great, but you can make a horrible person intresting.
I loved Adam and Ayesha in this movie. I really appreciated the funny little goofy side villains they turned out to be. Wished there was more of them but they were fun while they lasted
I love those two. Reminds me of Dick Dastardly and Muttley from Wacky Races. Just trying to capture Rocket but always seeming to fail. I also love Ayesha always wanting to present herself as a superior being but almost always losing her cool when things don't go her way.
I didn't have high hopes for Warlock going in, but I'm super impressed how he managed to take such little dialog and screen time and knock his role out of the park. Somehow in a film full of memorable moments he managed to take a bit part and totally stand out as one of the (many) high points.
@@Frankenstyleish well said. WP really pulled the regal, goofball thing off quite well.
I **loved** “Kill ‘em all.” Makes Star Lord such a badass. And you agree with it and cheer it on because they’re up against some real shitbags.
Really think about this....
At the beginning Drax says he wants to "kill everyone" and Star Lord says "we kill no one" Drax says "we'll kill one guy, one really pathetic guy with no friends", which Star Lord says is "just making it sad.." Okay?
Later Quill sees what the High Evolutionary did to Rocket and he says "Kill 'em all"
But Groot, who's proxy for Rocket's moral compass, as his best friend, saves Adam Warlock because "Everyone deserves a second chance." Partially exemplified in Rocket's decision not to kill the High Evolutionary (happens to be one really pathetic guy with no friends) and unlike Peter, Rocket didn't see what he did, he experienced it, it was done to him, and he still showed mercy.
James Gunn has now said repeatedly that Rocket Raccoon is the stealth protagonist of the series.
All that is to say the whole point of that line, in a way, is that Rocket is more of a hero than Star Lord is.
i imagine it’s hard for gunn to get as good of needle drops as that first guardians movie because his whole schtick has been completely aped. i don’t think anyone’s done it as well as him but i imagine it’s hard to keep doing it fresh when everyone’s trying to do your thing
To be fair, Guardians 2 was petering on that excessively schlocky goofiness so I'm glad he kinda put some more emphasis on a darker tone for 3. At least it didn't go to wacky and end up being like Love and Thunder.
I think its funny how the original Suicide Squad felt (imo) like it was trying to do similar stuff as GoG, then for the sequel they just got him to direct it lol
@@mchikos suicide squad was made with a light influence by guardians (guardians success was the whole reason suicide squad was greenlit), but after the bohemian rhapsody trailer came out audiences loved that. so they had the trailerhouse do a new cut of suicide squad, test audiences didn’t really like it much better than the ayer cut, so the studio mushed them together and that’s what we got. FoldingIdeas has a couple great videos on how suicide squad came to be how it was
One thing I've not seen many people mention, is that the guardians set up base in the last place he ever saw the love of his life. No wonder he'd have a bit of trauma
I had that thought cross my mind yesterday, just thinking about how they made their home in a place where they have 2 different traumatic events there, both the first confrontation with Thanos, and Ronan's assault in the first movie where Drax almost dies because of his bravado
@@Whiteythereaper yeah it's pretty messed up really
I took my Dad to watch this and he had the most Dad-like criticism.
I brought up the part when Rocket's friends get killed and his response was "first of all I don't understand why he's kept them around for so long because in comparison to other technology in these Marvel films they look like shit so I'd be embarrassed. I could've done a better job on that Walrus - I'd have given it 4 wheels for a start".
Everybody's too hard on Endgame Starlord. The dude had just reached the end conclusion of his character arc by killing Gamora, symbolically learning to let go like he couldn't with his mom, and at the moment that character actualization happens, Thanos snaps his fingers and goes "Haha jk, you don't get closure."
He's left in an unstable and reflexively immature state as he has to grapple with the fact that he made the choice to kill the woman he loved to save the universe, and acted on that choice, but the universe wasn't saved, and the only hope left for Starlord was that Gamora was still alive.
All that hope comes crashing down in a single moment. And he lashes out in anger. Unwittingly dooming everyone.
Yeah n ppl complain like if someone kill the person u love u will act really calm
It's not that, his whole plan was to give thanos what he deserves and his alternate to that was to risk messing that plan up to punch in the face a guy that could take a punch from hulk? That's like me having Hitler hanging over an acid pool, learning he killed my father then pulling him away from the pool so I could give him a will smith slap or poke him in the eye 3 stooges style. And You can see what such an outburst did for chris rocks career vs will Smith's career - theres a lesson here
@@johnstevensstevens402 Yeah, but if you remember Will Smith did hit Chris Rock.
People's emotions do sometimes get the better of them, especially in high-stress moments.
@@Wrynwynn high stress? Id have bought it if he didn't try to kill gamora himself a few scenes earlier where it was thanos that saved her. why doesn't he give himself a slap for that? Obviously the stress couldnt have been too high if he was able to get over himself enough to pull the trigger in that instance. Plus that was a life or death scenario. He'd kill her to save the world but cant sit through hearing an obituary of her to save it?? Its silly
@@johnstevensstevens402 Did you not read my original comment?
Bigger Groot is just so they can put a walking around character at all disney parks location
Probably right.
its king groots design
Given that Vol. 2 is capped with Yondu’s incredible death sequence, that fact that he sacrifices himself, and that it resonates so well emotionally, I’m glad that Vol. 3 didn’t go down the same route. Having it end with the Guardians all leaving to pursue their own ambitions felt in equally parts satisfying and sad - great conclusion.
One thing I do love about the mix of quip/humour & seriousness in this is, compared to other MCU, when it's time to fight, they are actually savage, serious, and deadly, and then afterward they joke. Other MCU movie, I hate when they throw jokes left & right while fighting bad guys.
Go watch gotg2 again kiddo. That’s literally the worst offender for undercutting fighting with ‘jokes’
I disagree that the High Evolutionary "hated" Rocket in the way you seem to imply.
The High Evolutionary as depicted in this movie is greatly inspired by Roy Thomas's story with him. And yes indeed, he is a biblical god allegory. You can see influences of this all over this movie. When it comes to Rocket, he was more shocked that Rocket seemed to develop this "creativity" out of his own, and not by the High Evolutionary's hand. Then he's further enraged that Rocket is not conforming to the design that the Hogh Evolutionary has. The High Evolutionary himself says to one of underlings that his new creations (the more human looking children) are amazing, but lack what Rocket has, that it's a needed component for them to possess.
And so, we come full circle to the biblical allegory again. The biblical God gives man free will, but constantly punishes man when he deviates from God's plan.
Gaurdians Of The Galaxy Volume 3 was so fucking good
This was a great send-off, the last scene and the first post credit really hit me with the feels.
I'm glad that at least for the near future this group has a proper conclusion.
Honestly I'm kind of sad that Thor wasn't in this movie. I would have loved to see how James Gunn handled Thor. I feel like that would have been really interesting and given the character a different look than we've seen for him recently.
No that would be terrible as thor is not a guardians character and would feel like he is taking the spotlight of the actual characters of this series
I thought it would be the plot of Thor 4, with him teaming up with the Guardians (since Gunn and Waititi are kind of chummy), and the whole movie was just that first 20 minutes, with him just figuring his shit out on adventures. It would also give us a preview of the new status quo, like Rocket being the only Guardian that wasn't snapped, and Nebula joining the team after Endgame. Pick up that thread of Peter being overshadowed by Thor's power (but way more competent otherwise).
Thor: Asgardian of the Galaxy! It was right there!
As much as I would love Thor in the film I think he would have totally undermined Adam Warlock's presence in his fight scene on Knowhere. Like the Guardians were just strong enough together to get rid of him momentarily. I could see Thor just destroying Adam.
He wouldn't of handled Thor at all.
They should've had the guardians tag along through the entirety of thor 4 then at the end he parts ways with them to take care of that child heck if you want that could've helped set up drax wanting to in some way be a father again
Just thought I’d let anyone who really isn’t listening to the whole podcast that it’s genuinely hilarious. I don’t think I’ve ever finished one of there episodes feeling like I hadn’t made a good investment with my time. Keep up the good work James and Maso
I like a good team fight too. Honor Amongst Thieve was great. (You need to talk about that movie!) GOTG 3 had some good team moments.
Of what I've seen of James Gunn he has two styles or variations. There is his rated R I can do whatever I want style. And his PG13 I guess I should dial it back a bit style. One does not feel like a knock off of the other. His R stuff is hilarious, but often a little too crass. His PG13 stuff seems more heartfelt, a little schmaltzy, but ultimately more memorable for me. He is a great film maker in my book. That said, I haven't seen anything that feels like a Superman movie, and it might be that he hasn't done one yet, and it's gonna require the right actor. I'm skeptical.
You can listen to episode 472 of their podcast. They talk in depth about Honor Among Thieves there!
Exactly I'm not sure he can pull off a superman. I'm excited to see what he comes up with regardless. I will say though he's really good at making characters feel very human which superman should feel like. Not like some God diety.
At first, I thought the needle drops were a bit jarring too. Jumping around in eras of music. But then, halfway through the movie I realized the songs were chosen for their themes and meaning rather than the era necessarily. A LOT of the songs deal with alienation and reaching out for human connection and compassion. Which, is one of the big themes of the film and where the Guardians are all at in their personal journeys.
The audience understanding Groot at the end of the movie was such a great fucking payoff
I was 50/50 over whether it was that or if groot had just finally learned some English
The High Evolutionary reminded me of Professor Pyg and made me really excited for Gunn's take on DC villains going forward
Shouldn't wolverine have metal teeth? The time is......now.
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I wish we could’ve seen Rockets’ mental relent once the team told him they knew everything he had been bottling up his whole life. He locked those times away but everyone saw everything, so it would’ve been nice to see him come to terms and take that weight off his shoulders in the end!
It is currently 2026 in the MCU. Avengers: Endgame takes place in 2023. Avengers: Infinity War took place in 2018 and Endgame did a five year time jump. Then Spiderman: Far From Home starts in the summer of 2024 and Spiderman: No way Home picks up at the end of summer in 2024. Then Spiderman NWH ends in Christmas of 2025 and the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special takes place at the end of Spiderman NWH. And then this movie happens lol
I don't think Spiderman NWH takes place over 18 months does it?
cosmo the space dog made the entire film worth watching, everything else was just a nice bonus
This movie made me not absolutely hate a Beastie Boys song, which is an incredible feat
Adam disintegrated a poor ravenger 💀
Had to show him he meant business 😂🤷♂️
@@theguardian2428 What more business could they have shown him?
The mcu has actually done exceptionally well if you take into consideration it basically had to rebuild after endgame, had main actors leave and pass away. The problem is the general public only remembers the highs of infinity war and endgame and not the lows or ok movies from ohase 1-3. MCU has always been 60% good 20% exceptional 20% meh. Phasr 4/5 is no different. Its the likable characters and there interactions that make the whole thing work.
Yeah, Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 didn't get the best reviews at the time.
Iron Man 2 is objectively a more developed movie than Endgame, because Endgame was basically a victory lap full of chopped up fan service. Where they went wrong was trying to continue franchises like Thor, Doctor Strange, Ant Man, and Captain America coming out of Endgame. The earth based universe needed to reset and build up from scratch using characters like Shang-Chi, the Fantastic Four, and maybe even a Daredevil or someone like that.
Apart from "Creep", "Dog days are over" at the end is also a pretty great choice.
"No, Mason!" is a definitive quote.
You guys didn’t really touch on the second post-credit. I was curious about your thoughts on that.
We've got a video coming out in a couple of days that will cover it
@@mrsundaymovies oh will it, mr munday sovies? will it over it?
@samsawyer44 People make mistakes... Get cover it.
I don't know what you're talking about. Everything is fine you must have misread what I said
@@mrsundaymovies you've made me look a fool
Loved the movie. Cried... a lot! Rocket has always been my favorite so this movie really tore my heart out. And the built up relationships between all the Guardians was great to see and very emotional too.
My only criticism would be the same as yours, how the music at times came in a bit strong and jarringly. Even commented with my friends as we came out of the theater. But I didn't make the connection with the Zune and how it was probably emulating the use of it.
Definitely an incredible send-off to Gunn's GotG.
Peter Quill to Ego "im gonna make some weird shit!". Peter Quill to High Evolutionary :HOW DARE YOU MAKE SOME WEIRD SHIT?". 😅😅😅
Pausing at 20:00 to stop watching this review because ya know what? You convinced me. I wasn't going to see this because the MCU has been so bleh for a while now, but it really sounds like this one was a return to form.
It's funny because here in Spain there's no rule with the swearing in movies and if you see this movie in the Spanish dubbed version they easily drop the F bomb 10 times.
That "kill everybody" scene they gunned down a room full of scientists. That was kind of brutal. I didnt see anyone shooting back. I might have missed it with them rotating the camera around Peter and Groot but they seemed unarmed to me.
They let a whole planet die lol I’d say Quill was justified in a cartoon morality sense since this is fictional
Pretty sure there were like three scientists in that room and the rest had blasters. Plus the scientists had been abusing animals for years.
At the start of the movie when they were in the meet planet thing, Starlord didnt want to kill anyone, he explicitly avoided it. It was only after he saw what they’d done to rocket that he went “fuck these guys” and decided they all could go to hell and i love that
As a biomed scientist myself, no one who would take a job where they do things like that deserve to live. Those creatures are clearly sentient and what they did was torture and murder. I would argue that a hired goon holding a gun deserves to die much less.
@@AuspexAO I agree, especially as near the end when the second in command attempted to take control of the ship, not to stop what the High Evolutionary's mission, but to retreat and presumably continue their work.
I understand the whiplash that many felt with this film, but I loved the ride. Moments to laugh or cheer on the team in between the animal torture horror flick. Also, there’s some *messed up* stuff aside from the animal cruelty that really surprises me that it made it into the film. Shocking, heart pounding, and emotional. Loved it.
The only thing I didn't like was just how much of the dialogue was screaming. I get they're stressed and at an all-time-low, but it's way too much.
I’ve never come closer to crying in a movie. And I’ve never been more excited for what Gunn is doing with DC.