What the #1 Destiny 2 Player thinks about PvE & PvP
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Today I interviewed perhaps the best raid player in all of Destiny 2 - Saltagreppo. His raid team won 3 world's first raid competitions back to back to back, which had never been done in Destiny history.
We did a deep dive exploring some tips helping players evolve from a noob into a day 1 raid race competitor, how to make friends in destiny, how to find a team to play higher level pve and pvp activities, some secrets behind building a team that can compete in these end game challenges for placements, salt's ideas on how Bungie could evolve Destiny to have more challenge for end game players, and even some thoughts on the fairness of console vs PC and mouse and keyboard versus controller for end game Destiny content.
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Sections:
0:00 What made Saltagreppo's raid team so successful?
8:55 What could Bungie do to make end game content more interesting for veteran players?
20:00 How would Saltagreppo change the Destiny 2 meta if he was in charge?
22:55 How would Saltagreppo change PvP?
26:57 Salt's best tips for new players getting into Destiny 2 endgame
29:00 How to make more friends in Destiny 2 to play with
33:00 How could you improve your team's chances at placing high in a day 1 raid race?
36:30 Are there any slept-on builds or exotics in the current meta?
39:20 How does Salt's team prep for day 1 challenges regarding strategy?
41:30 Is the "soloable raid" meta in Destiny 2 a good or bad thing for the game?
46:30 How does console vs PC and mouse and keyboard vs controller factor into endgame competition in Destiny 2 PvE?
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I'm glad he talks about the controller recoil, it's something that should not exist. I also cannot overstate how many times the goofy aim assist on controller in PVP messes my shot up when it drags my reticle from the enemy I'm sniping to the enemy it thinks I'm sniping. They really messed up, especially from a controller player on PC. It's easier to be more precise on M&K because it relies on less complicated movements neurologically speaking. Controller all revolves around precise fine motor movements which are much harder to coordinate than dividing that among gross motor movements (Shoulder, forearm, wrist).
It's literally counteractive to accessibility and while there shouldn't have been ways to bypass this with input devices on console (just to keep things fair) they should remove it entirely and also get rid of reticle drag. Without drag I think magnetism is fine on controller but with drag, and server latency or P2P latency, it's just too much. But I bet bungie doesn't want M&K people threatening them once they realize with things more equal that controller is just as competitive on pc as they are.
This is absolutely not meant as any kind of knock against Salt. But listening to him "attempt" to "give advice" to others or lets say newer players is 1 of many classic examples that elite players do not always translate over to elite coaches. Just listening to what he says about certain things...he is completely out of touch with what a bad player on a video game LOOKS like. His advice was literally just to get the most meta exotic per class, and just play the game.
Bro...there are ppl on every platform on every game who you could literally pay to play 8 hours a day, that STILL will not just automatically improve. & it's bc at the end of the day, meta strats and meta loadouts at their very core, are JUST tools of the trade. They do not inherently affect the pilots across the board. Like you're not actually engaging with a new player at all and figuring out what their strengths and weaknesses are. You're just giving a blanket state of "use all the best stuff". That's not coaching. Or advice.
Like imagine asking someone how to be rich...and they look you dead in the face n say "don't be broke. Make a lot of money. Save a lot of money". Well NO SHIT sherlock. Oh ok. I never thought of that. Not once. Jesus christ, lol. Honest to god I feel indifferent towards Salt personally. I think he's on the mark with some stuff. But tone deaf with others. But I 1 million percent fully understand why this kid comes across as SO unlikeable to so many ppl, lol.
You can unironically boil all of his takes down to "use the best stuff. Make the game harder". Like he's the most ANTI fun guy you could be WHILE also making being competitive sound like no fun whatsoever. He's the perfect storm for a bad 1st impression.
He comes across as arrogant. I’m glad his team got beat bad in the last race. I think it’s funny because they cried it was too easy, which is why they didn’t win.
Here’s the problem. Destiny 2 is not hard… nor complex.
Build crafting is as deep as choose the thing you want to do by reading (in armor charge or subclass)… which sometimes can be do two things at the same time.
Mechanics boil down to doing something to read and/or dunk and stand on a plate of some kind.
Whether it be other things in life or Destiny 2… most things are not as difficult as people build them up to be. Also, at the same time people want the newest hack/“what ever you want to call it” for instant improvement. The truth is it all comes down to practice, watching information and people hate to hear it build cognitive ability and motor skills.
Majority of people don’t have the cognitive ability nor the motor skills to get past casual. Just like the majority of the Earth’s population regulates to the the average and below instead of exceeding at anything because they’re just not capable.
Everyone knows it but people have problem admitting it.
This whole comment make no sense.
You wanna be rich? literally do what u said
You wanna be bulky? just go to the gym, u'll need years but u'll be bulky
You wanna be better in the game? Play it, do harder stuff and practise, lol
What did u expect as a response? Buy cheats and hacks?
@@mrvono5019 Ok I'll add the context you missed. Telling someone to go make money & save money, without any actual details on HOW to make said money, does absolutely nothing to help someone in need of advice. Just the same as telling someone to go to a gym to bulk up does absolutely nothing to help someone who has no idea how to work out, what their goals are for working out, what body parts to target, WHEN to target them and HOW to target them. All without hurting themselves in the process. Not to mention dieting properly not to erase whatever gains you may or may not be gaining with whatever garbage you might be eating naturally.
Telling a bad gamer to simply keep doing more of what they already doing does not instantly mean they will eventually stop being a bad gamer. It just means they will spend more time doing the exact things that are already making them bad.
It's not my comment that made no sense. You just didn't understand what you were reading. With respect.
If coaching was as simple as telling everyone to just "do the right things. But don't do any wrong things", then everyone in the world would be capable of coaching. Clearly that's not the case tho. Again with respect.
@@PapaAwiz this is a totally another way to write it, way different than the first message and I agree, but destiny isn't a complex game tbh, not there at least. if u wanna get better find a clan and start do lowman, solo GMs and stuff like that, I don't think this video is the right way to do it in a deeper way
i just saw one of your old videos and was just thinking man i wish he uploaded more often glad i could catch this one so quick
Love these interviews!
Tell me you're an elitist without telling me you're an elitist
I mean he is not wrong
dude just ignored the whole video lmao
Saltagrppo, master of hot takes
I think a good way to actually increase the difficulty is to allow some harder content to have matchmaking. Things like the legendary difficulty battlegrounds for example. With good enough incentives you could naturally get more players comfortable with harder content. When 80% of the game asks you to just mindlessly shoot it’s not a surprise so many people aren’t comfortable running mechanics in raids. If general content was asking more from players I believe the average player becomes more comfortable running mechanics. That way if Bungie creates a mechanically challenging raid or dungeon there isn’t backlash that it’s “too difficult”.
100%
Getting more people playing legendary modes without having to use LFG would go a long way
Absolutely. I think Bungie really underestimates people in general and it's actually insulting. They want to incentivize buildcrafting but that stuff matters much more in harder content.
People can't even throw the orb in the corrupted.....
when people complain about neomuna patrols and RoN add clear being to hard I can understand why there isn't matchmaking...
Been looking forward to this ever since I saw your tweet! Glad to get some more insight from SG about the less talked about aspects of the game.
Im so glad i ended up making friends with some insane names in the community
Bro i watched this video for tips and got a interview 💀, I was expecting more things I can actually do not learning about slept on exotics or what Bungie can do better. I’m tryna do better 💀
The thing is… there really are no “tips, “secrets” or “hacks.”
You go into the game and read what subclasses do and their fragments/aspects. Same goes with the Armor Charge mods. If you do not feel like doing that (which it’s important to actually know these things if you want to get better), you can watch videos on UA-cam or read articles so that information gathering is done for you. If you don’t even want to do that there are plenty of build videos and articles and many times have DIM links so it auto-equips for you.
Beyond that you just play the game and that is practice for you to get better. Always try to up your difficulty just a little bit instead of always doing the easiest content so you can work your way up.
That applies to everything including mechanics. All mechanics, including raid mechanics are reading something, standing on a plate, dunking something, shooting something and/or using a special item you pick up (relics). Even though they look different at times they are truly all some version of that.
tip: kill stuff and don't die
Sorry but I was just told that this was an interview and I did my best to answer every question. Didn’t know it was meant to be a “coaching” video.
@@Saltagreppo nah you good it ain’t your fault, it’s just this mf advertised it like I’m gonna learn something. Keep in mind I’m just your below average player so 90 percent of the things that you answered don’t pertain to me at all. Overall your answers were good and you gave good advice
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I disagree wirh your arguments about the game. Destiny is far from easy or lacking challenge.
You fail to realize that you are abnormal! The majority of peoole dont have a life to dedicate to playing a game-- and therefore they will never be as good at the game.
Its the same with being a pro-athlete. If you've dedicated yourself to doing something you have better gained the skill to be good at it. That doesn't change the fact that what you are doing isnt easy.
So basically you've spent way too much time playing this game. You are good at it, now you are unhappy and want to ruin the game for people who don't spend all day playing.
If the game required no skill, we'd all be high performing players and thats simply not the case. Sounds like it's just time for you to go and play another game and start from the bottom. You'll never start from the bottom of Destiny 2 again. I think you should make peace with that and learn to be happy about your accomplishment.
I don’t wanna ruin anything, having MORE difficulty options is literally just a plus. Other games have challenging activities even after you master them, Destiny doesn’t. There is nothing wrong in asking for more options.
Many question were asking me to talk from a good players’ perspective, and if you are good, endgame in Destiny is factually easier than in many other similar games.
24:44 headshots weren’t that important back then.
And winning because of good movement and game sense is way more fun than just winning because you or your enemy just had a better aim.
Great take on MnK in PvE by Salt! I'm absolutely on the same page.
It becomes especially relevant in this season, so to say in the guardian rank system on rank eleven -> Soloing Spire of the watcher.
IMO the hardest part of this dungeon is shooting of the harpy-boss eyes (second encounter)... at least on a controller.
You have to be very quick, very precise, there is 0 aim assist and the eyes are moving.
If I get off a perfect damage phase, which is killing the eyes with one mag of a trace rifle -> 2 fusion nades(ignition) -> 1 witherhoard -> 10 shots of bait and switch cataclysmic, i hardly get 1/7 of its health off.
If a goblin sneaks through or just spawns after damage started, I need to kill it because I cannot aim at something else as long as it is alive. Or just aim badly and get a 5 sec to none damage window.
I managed to get a solo flawless on GoA, which also took some time, but this boss makes me want to quit the game...
Maybe it's just me, but I do appreciate the "transactional" nature of D2 LFG. There're times when I just wanna play on my own and get things down without communicating that much, D2 LFG is where I'll go to
link the drip in the thumbnail please
where’s the tips at? lol hopefully at the end.. im half way nd its about changing destiny 😂😂😂
Sorry but I was just told that this was an interview and I did my best to answer every question. Didn’t know it was meant to be a “coaching” video.
The funniest thing is that bungie didnt bring bubble into d2y1 was because it made the player too strong, but then brought in well which was even stronger on all acounts.
Just shows bungie prefers warlocks
these destiny youtubers are really funny
Listening to a PvE main even complain about Crucible being too easy. 💀 Definitely doesn't help with the image of the dude I've had up until this point.
Edit: The duality of saying how he doesn't like champions because they force a loadout then telling new players to chase the meta.
Crucible is literally too easy tho. From overshield a to damage buffs to debuffs to broken exotics and legendaries like immortal, exotic armor that straight up gives u ur health back instantly, it’s too easy.
@@mrlunar62 I agree there are definite outliers (Immortal being the go-to example atm), I agree overshields aren't taken as seriously of a problem as they are by Bungie, but I feel like there aren't many health regen exotics (wormhusk is the only one I can think of atm, OEM gives an overshield for kills iirc). You have things like safety rift and titan barricades (idk about you but I'm almost certain you can head glitch through the taller, non-citan barricades by snipers) which are easily more abusable than an exotic, you have Knockout, melee lunge range boosters (arc Hunter, syntho's, ophidians, probably more titan stuff - one of the arc aspects I believe), Devour. Lots of these I'd argue are more prevalent issues.
Ideally the game is balanced and many builds are viable but since it isn’t ofc you should chase the meta. Ofc I wish that wasn’t the case and I wish champs werent a thing.
I do agree with the champion bit but I still don't think encouraging new players to chase the meta is a good call. Yes, it's optimal. Yes, it can make things easier. But to me, it doesn't really encourage creative problem solving (by no means am I saying to rock Bombadeer's during a dps phase, I just don't think something like Star Eaters are the be all, end all for Hunters to give an example)... I suppose that starting with the meta and then branching out when they have a bit more experience and familiarity with the game is a valid counter-argument I didn't really think of in the initial comment.
I put off the video halfway. Not because I disagree with stuff he said, but because he seems very arrogant and out if touch with the general playerbase. Destiny has a lot of issues but he doesn't seem to enjoy the game he plays at all.
The way the questions where asked made it seem like a circle jerk as well.
He always gave me the impression he wants the game more challenging just to stroke his own ego and not for the challenge itself
Destiny does need to be more challenging though
@@Noname-ol8ef I agree. He has some good points but not all of his opinions are healthy for the game.
I enjoy the game overall but I disagree with many recent changes. I want more challenging difficulty OPTIONS because challenging myself is fun, that’s all. This goes for most good players I know.
@@Saltagreppo Fair enough. I apologize if my impression is wrong. I will check out your streams to get a clearer picture.
Appreciate the reply
He's so mad they didn't win the RoN raid race lmfao
Saltagreppo: Spends 30 minutes complaining about how easy and simple the game is. Pattycakes re-asks can you give some specific tips. Saltagreppo: you really just gotta play the game. It takes time. This game is like no other…
The 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive. You need to put in play time to understand how it works, but once you know it becomes extremely easy. It’s not easy to give generic tips to improve.
@@Saltagreppo I talk to friends who haven’t played since d1 vanilla/never and I can’t recommend the game. Learning the game needs full attention. I always say the game gets good after 150 hours.
@@Saltagreppo Ok fair enough, thanks for the response. I agree the 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. And you know what, in drafting a reply I actually think I agree with what you're getting at. In my opinion, in PVE the difference maker is usually your knowledge of the game and not how well you can execute it. The game meta changes frequently. This is a good thing and keeps the game fresh. For an average player like me, I have to spend most of my time learning what is meta and optimal to keep up with end game content. Which is still challenging for me, which is why I consider the game challenging. But I completely agree, for example when it comes to DPS from my experience the reason my number are lower are not due to a lack of executing the timing/mechanics/gameplay loop etc. It is usually due to not knowing the most optimal pattern to execute them. If I find someone who is willing to teach me their method, I've rarely found methods that I couldn’t execute myself. Would you agree with this? Your interview came off as "the game is easy I don't know why people say it's challenging, just get better" but I think it could be worded better that "executing the strats/mechanics is usually pretty easy as long as you know what that strat is"…. also I do disagree though that the end game content can be labeled as extremely easy, but I won't fight you on that lol
@@dannycamardelle2592 For most veteran players endgame is extremely easy or at least miles easier than years ago. Anyways yes, I agree knowledge plays the biggest part in this game.
@@Saltagreppo all games are like that, that’s how games are design and that’s how they worked the fun part of the games it’s learning
When you studied a career based to design video games usually they make you read a book that’s called the theory of fun that tells you the psychology of videogames
I need to find a clan that I can play with the new end-game content but a solo player for a while and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot never even completed a raid yet
Watch guides and then lfg…they really aren’t that hard, been a solo player since SoA and have raised many times with different groups
@@swordfishchaser7 appreciate it bro I'll keep watching guides etc etc
prolly like half the players are solo. we all just lfg, easiest thing in the world
raids aren’t hard bro
Finding a decent clan can change the game for you. I joined one a month ago after only being a solo player who never touched endgame stuff. Since then I've done half a dozen raids and some dungeons. I just found one recruiting on the Bungie forum. Raids felt untouchable for me but now they're the most fun I have in the game.
@@shoopdawhoop4066 yes I definitely hear you and appreciate the info I will go on a couple form see if I can find a good plan to run with and yeah definitely sounds fun when you're able to do endgame content but I definitely felt the same way you felt about it being untouchable at least for me so maybe I was just doing something wrong with my build but I also just started getting back into it so it'll just take time but I will definitely be on the lookout so that way I could play Dungeons and raids more again much appreciated for the feedback
Lfg is my friend
My guy has clearly never played any other MMOs. In FF14 tanks have literal cooldowns to not take any damage or just ignore it for a bit. I'd love this guy to join an LFG Master and see the shit fest that is out there. The game is easy if you have the gear and people to play with
Imagine fighting in yt comments over who is the better destiny 2 pve player
Full time job destiny player calling the game easy is cringe but also leave trinity ghouls name out your mouth
I don’t care about Trinity lol it was just an example since Patty mentioned that aiming doesn’t matter much in Destiny.
@@Saltagreppo good i was close to challenging you to an old fashioned duel to defend her honor
Latency causes a lot of problems trying to survive, i.e. cannot run around properly as shown in these youtube clips. Feels like running through mud at times and trash kills you quit easily.
Wasn’t he one of the first ones to start crying about a starfire nerf? Funny because he’s using it against Nezerac.
Just coz he is using it doesn’t mean it’s not broken. If anything it proves the opposite. With the exotic he can solo nezarec.
@@mrlunar62 you’re broken
Yeah that’s the point, the exotic is so broken that it is the only way to solo Nezarec. Proves my point.
@@Saltagreppo you got your wish 🤡
As an end game player I agree... But these guys mustve not been in lfg's lately. raids still challenges people
We will have this debate till the ends of time. but bungie would not and could not balance the game for the 1%, for someone like Salt. Making these changes will definitely cause unforeseen issues and expand the rift between the hardcore and casual players even more.
They should absolutely not balance for the top 1%, they should just balance it XD. Right now the game is extremely unbalanced at all skill levels.
@@Saltagreppo i agree :)
No matter what game you play will sooner or later become easy. Even Dark Souls or Eldenring. That's what happening. You can't get around that.
You learn how the game works and then you can anticipate what's happening.
The spectrum of Destiny players are so incredible wide. This view that it's too easy only comes from the most elit players and to them it probably is. But for the thousands and thousands that does not solo flawless Dungeons or GMs it is still a challenge.
Hearing someone say it's too easy when you're struggling clearing a dungeon is demoralising and it comes out as patronizing.
There is a way for Bungie to create challenges. They can put in more debuffs to players that want it but i guess that would be "the cheesy way"
You heard the man bring back scourge lol
It's just wild to me how much hate salt still gets only cause people hate to hear different experiences...
Yea datamining can get you for the 24h
Salt is a clown as per usual, no one’s surprised at this point though
he truly is lmao 🤡
How is he a clown?
@@mrlunar62 bad takes
@@Telesto_Timelost like what?
I hate when endgame sweats complain about the game being to easy sure for the like 5%of u and that might be generous bungie instead should try and find a way to help the casuals out
Thanks but no thanks, i do not like this persons opinions concerning the game.
To be honest, I really wish Salt went into detail about the Well of Radiance sooner being too easy. If Saltgreppo is reading this, I jumped down your throat about it a while back.
I am really getting tired of Bungie nerfing so much for whatever the hell reason and it almost looks like they pulled the bait and switch by shifting our ire towards you and I fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For that I do apologize. I am not an easy person to work with, but maybe you can change my mind about you later.
If I can make a suggestion to Salt, there is a UA-camr called BA Gaming that does a thing for Raids called "The Wheel of Misfortune" that does make Raids more challenging and it can be really funny.
Salt, yeah, I don't care
Love you, Patty, but this video is a total miss. Pretty much just Salt complaining about the game being too easy, very little information helpful to new players or people looking to improve.
The man reeks of god complex.
I literally just answered the questions and I wasn’t told this was a video meant for new players, I thought is was just an interview.
Saying that the game is miles easier than it was years ago is not God’s complex, it’s factually true.
First it was divinty now he’s going after the well. If the game is too easy for you STOP USING THE WELL YOURSELF AND MAKE THE GAME HARDER FOR YOURSELF LEAVE US ALONE ITS A VIDEO GAME I LOVE MY POWER FANTASY!!!
Mfw i cant go afk in a well for 30 secounds: 😢
Also the dont use it argument is stupid
“Just don’t use it” is such a terrible argument.
Sheeesh this one missed the mark
Raiding takes months if not years of playing the game to be good at.
lmfao
I'm usually really into your content but 15 minutes into this video and all I'm hearing is people complaining about how easy the game is.
Y'all play the game and get paid for it. Of course it's easy.
Yeah, that’s Salt in a nutshell tbf
He’s more known bc of the div nerf and whining around than his WF runs
Talk about first world problems.
"The game I get paid to play is too easy"
@@Jamesssssssssssssss go play elden ring then idk. Destiny isn’t made to be hard, you just follow the current meta and have fun
@@ludwigtheascendant I was speaking as if i were Salt.
Yeah, theres also other MMOs that may offer him more of a challenge.
@@Jamesssssssssssssss oh srry srry my bad, you did sound way too much like him and his Tw cult💀😂
Aim assist just needs to completely disappear or be able to be turned off. It has caused me to die minimum 100x more than its ever helped me. Esp in pvp… be in a gunfight, have your target literally one shot from dead, his team mate runs out from behind them and your aim traces to that guy instead then u die.. like are you kidding me???? Its nonsense. Grew up on fps games that never had it and did just fine. I can hit my mark on my own. Leave me alone 😂
I would love a well nerf I love playing void walker but nobody else likes when I play void walker cause the well is so darn good
People who only rely on wells are beta males
@@swordfishchaser7 nah, more like well skate chads
No. They should just buff nova bomb
He’s not #1, lol
Xemo, Eso, and a few others are far better than salty grippers (in my opinion of course)
Nah, Salt is the talking Eso that is great at the game and speedruns in groups and solo. Salt is basically on the same level as Xemo. Not to mention the 3 peat worlds 1st raid team that NO ONE else has
@@LJZombie the reason I say xemo is better is because he soloed root, which salty grippers hasn’t done.
@KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED! Salt did every encounter solo just not all in one sitting so I'll give ya that Xemo W
@@Linty_Slayer_of_Heretics That comes more down to time investment and dedication compared to who is better.
Not taking sides on either one but one person might of been willing to literally spend 5 days in a row trying to solo flawless the raid while the other person wasn’t willing to try more than 8 hours.
Self proclaimed #1 pver
Lmfao not even close 💀
Dude not even close to the best
One of the best, not the best
Patty only puts that in the title to get views
@@NoName-ov9wc “not even close” 🤓
You want a real PVEer you interview Esoterrik
Dude's the GUARDIAN
@@maclo dude is the d1 gjallahorn in guardian form, otherwise known as God
Remind me who first solo flawlessed ron? or who has 3x world firsts? Not Esoterik lol. He's good but not the best by any means
Imagine a player that's really good at the game and doesn't complain about it being too easy
@@Tapirs10 esoterikk has a worlds first and several other top 5 placements and if you just take one glance at his channel you will realize that very few will be able to accomplish the stuff he has done.
you know nothing jon snow
Looks like the salt hate hasn’t gone away 💀💀 how are y’all still mad about divinity
I honestly don’t care if it was nerfed. A debuff is a debuff.
they are shit at the game and need to crutch well to do anything
Guess u saw my reply lol
But he doesn’t help himself with the hate, he just complains and complains and complains, it gets tiring
Like he wants the game to be hard af but not everyone is a top 0.1% player. Most players just wanna mindlessly kill aliens with space magic, and that’s it, not have to spend an hour in a GM just cause Mr Salt wants stuff to be harder
@@ludwigtheascendant its not like hes asking for all the casual stuff to be nerfed, divinity needed the nerf it made it so literally any other debuff was a joke. starfire is broken good and 1000% needs the nerf its gonna get and well is a no brainer for whatever activity ur trying to do, it just does it all. i completely disagree with his take on removing damage resist.
@@thelament the problem with damage resistance is that it is mandatory, u can do less build cos I always have to be on max resistance or u're trolling
Removing dmg resistance is totally fine and a really good improvement to the game if they also nerf a bit dmg enemies does, so I'll take the same damage or a little more, but u'll be able to use more stats, build and stuff
What’s he gonna tell me? Learn to not use div?
Get good?
Tweet to ask for SFP nerfs?😂
Get good
@@Noname-ol8ef as useless of a comment as Salt in D2s community
@@ludwigtheascendant skill issue
@@ludwigtheascendant im sure the random yt commenters opinions is more important for the game.
@@Blanktester685 well, if u think he’s opinion is more valuable, then we have kind of a problem.
Do you think it would be ok if governments only paid attention to those with most wealth? No right? All opinions have their value
Then again, if his opinion is worth more than mine, yours is as useless as mine lol
Saying Saltagreppo is the best player is like saying Joe Biden is a real president. All Saltagreppo does is copy and stream snipe other people. Dude isnt even good lol.
You haven't .
to yall complaining about "#1 pver" because youre comparing saltagreppo and esoterickk, please relax.
the number one reason for "#1" is for a youtube channel (a nice one 🥹) to overly sell that this is a good player. (no shame in that)
but another thing is, they kinda have different focuses, so its not worth bickering like children over.
salt often is more raid focused, eso often more strike focused. they both have expanded into each others focus, but are mostly focused on different content. both are well above capable players and amazing people.
but if were talking comparisons...
for strikes: solo gm hypernet current was recently achieved by both. salt with a significantly shorter time and not using the fighting lion glitch or the metas eso usually uses. (eso often takes... their time, and uses comfortable loadouts. no shame in that.)
for raids: worlds first three times in a row vrs (correct me if im wrong) one time. which is a difficult comparison since you are debating a whole team, which for worlds first still requires amazing individual performance and its not like salt was carried to worlds first three times in a row. both did amazing.
if were being real, by feats, in game numbers and individual playstyles, salt wins in my perspective.
BUT AGAIN, its a game. theyre both great players and its a fucking youtube title you little bitch (respectfully) just enjoy the video 😆
as for xemo 😆 i mean yes, the recent solo flawless ron one take was impressive. awesome dude and another great player but we havent seen much of him besides that and early speedruns (not that its not impressive because it still is)
but again, the point isnt to compare anyone. its just a youtube title.
im sure 1000 more names will be added in time of this video and it will eventually get into more current speedrunners as well.
im excited to see how this conversation evolves or devolves 😅
100% they don't even know what saltagreppo did, and they don't even know many names in the community as insane as those two
Half of the comment are like "eso did this, salta didn't", the funny part is that he did it, but they are to focused on blindly flame a guy that they don't even know him and his achievement. don't talk who is "the best" if u know nothing about them all