The Lightfall We Never Got - Destiny 2
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This is the Lightfall we Never got in Destiny 2! Some say that Destiny 3 should be on the way with a new engine to fix issues and while I don't think players understand what that will really take, I am very much understanding of delays needed! We did not get those delays and instead we were shown the world of harsh deadlines and pushing something out that clearly wasn't ready! Was this a fear of more issues or was this the way it just had to be? Find out as we explore: Nimbus, Rohan, Osiris, Neomuna, Root of Nightmares, Calus, the Lightfall campaign, the witness, storylines, the future of destiny, the new super strand, the gameplay, raids, everything lightfall so you are just sick of hearing about it!
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Intro: 00:00
Story: 02:26
The Lightfall We Never Got: 23:18
Gameplay: 33:21
Conclusion: 44:11
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I forgot to give the dlc a number rating.. 5/10 I will let the video elaborate for me haha much love everyone
I want the final subclass being taken bassed
9:20 the reason why we know about the veil on neptune is because rasputin told us about it.
honestly, id give it a 4.5
without the game changes that launched with it and just rating the DLC itself, it would drop even lower to a 3~
People forget that Lightfall doesn’t end with its campaign. It still isn’t over. It’s called Destiny 2: Lightfall: Season of Defiance and Destiny 2: Lightfall: Season of the Deep for a reason. People keep forgetting this. Instead of saying Lightfall was ass, say the MAIN CAMPAIGN THAT WE HAVE SO FAR is ass.
@@neekumikuvt328 you mean the seasonal content that will be removed when Final Shape drops? LMAO
The worst part about Lightfall was that the Witness never went “This is your Destiny 2 Lightfall.” I will never forgive Bungie for this.
honestly, the witness shouldve said that and lightfalled all over and then we fought them and said "this is our second destiny"
can't believe he didn't say "it's witnessing time" and didn't witness anyone
What are we, some kinda Destiny 2 Lightfall?
can’t believe he didn’t say “Some content shown requires Season Pass or other additional purchase. Content subject to change.”
These comments are fucking great haha
The saddest part is how strand in this game may have cost Witch Queen story wise. Allegedly strand's introduction was going to be the reveal that strand is what Savathun used kept the traveler locked in place and that is how she betrayed the witness not just "Oh she didn't tell this cosmic entity that a planet he already passed by had a redditor city on it."
Sounds better than us finding strand on the streets. Really, us being the first to find strand was a stupid idea.
"Redditor city" lmao
@@DagothDaddy bro fr, I swear the devs in Bungie just use ChatGPT and typed in “make a cool script for a cool character” , and then we get “YoUrE dOiNg gOoD pAaAlLl” 💀
Savathun captures the Traveler towards the very end of story.
@@cehaem2 yeah? That's already established
lightfall had such a huge potential, lets hope final shapes potential is made real
Considering it's basically confirmed that the original lightfall became final shape, I think it'll pay off in the end
Seeing as bungie has one more dlc and hasn’t gotten it right. Shows that they won’t.
You guys never learn your lesson...
@@bannedmann4469 bro witch queen forsaken taken king and rise of iron were all great. Lightfall was such a letdown because it was suppose to be the final shape and lightfall as one. Lightfall was only bad because it was rushed
@Raven those were the best. I play the game for the lore. There were other expansions that were great like beyond like for introducing the darkness power stasis and returning variks. Don’t forget about the 20 seasons which half of them were really good. Lightfall was good too, but not the best
I remember seeing all the trailers for lightfall thinking “this is going to be crazy if these are the things they’re showing! Imagine what they’re not showing!” Well turns out. They just showed everything before the game was released.
The soy $50 Lightfall DLC revealing everything in the trailer vs the Chad "there is a secret dungeon and entire new destination" $40 Forsaken
@@bofa722I miss when bungie kept hitting us with surprises :(
I feel like Elsie/the exo stranger should’ve been part of lightfall’s campaign or at least been the person to be all “we need to go to Neptune!” Instead of Osiris since she has a Pouka, which are found in Neomuna.
Actually surprised he didn't bring this up lol
Bro I forgot she had the Pouka and this make a lot of sense. They couldve scrapped Nimbus altogether and had Osiris and Elsie go to Neonuma and work with Rohan.
It would have also been good sense it was established in beyond light that she was the foremost expert on using darkness energy (stasis) so it would have been much easier to establish her as an expert on strand
That would've been better, because nimbus and osiris kept pushing the guardian to learn strand to the point where they were harming the guardian, but exo stranger actually seems to know what she is talking about instead of "go use strand again, maybe this time you master it"@@ominousromanpillar238
"how did our character know to go to Neptune?!"
Bruh... Last season literally ended with us finding out the veil was on Neptune directly from Rasputin 😅 that would be the obvious place to go once our character starting seeing a bunch of darkness ships zipping off lol
great point, but I guess I'm trying to put it in perspective from a player who only plays the annual release content not the seasonal, my fault on not making that more clear
Evan is showing his low IQ side
@@evanf1997 you're right, I just misunderstood 👍
I got back to playing when lightfall got out after years and i can confidently say that whole story looks like it's written after eating shrooms plus someone lost all the pages regarding what is veil.Witch Queen was masterpiece i loved it and i'm just dissapointed Lightfall wasn't on this level +strand should have been left in witchqueen phhf deepsight rather deepshite
-secure the veil
-why?
-it's important
-why
-idgaf
I had no idea where we learned it, but I'm just returning this season after not playing for a year. Though I think that talks more of how poorly past info is shared about the story of destiny 2. It's up to watching UA-cam videos or cutscenes to know what's going on at all. Even adding a sentence about each season on their timeline would be a huge help
I think with strand they wanted to do a poison “spider/insect” theme but there wasn’t enough identity. So they changed it. Proof of this is not only all the spider themes on strand (they literally wanted the warlock super to turn you into a spider laying eggs) but there was a bug where a triumph required unraveling kills but instead of unravel it was called “infested”.
Uh There are Spiders in one of Neptune moons
Not even it was just mainly meant for witch queen, you can tell because the warlock chest piece from throne world literally has the warlock strand subclass symbol, made up of the same worms from parasite(most likely an early concept of threadlings)
The reason they didn't do a poison subclass is because that's what we wanted. So instead they made a completely new subclass that not only broke the game but quite literally took all their attention away from every aspect of the game outside of that subclass.
Osteo Striga kinda proves this too
@@SordidusFellatio Can you explain how?
Honestly the part of the final cutscene where your guardian has a dilemma about killing your ghost to stop the witness is a very interesting idea. If the ghost ever dies in the story it’ll be like super dramatic and cliche, or he’ll just get revived somehow. But man, it seems like a real homerun way to create an extremely compelling storybeat.
Reminds me of the time Sakura couldn’t take out madaras rinnegan and doomed everyone
Its just a “reference” to the word Lightfall, I guess Bungie’s intention with this scene was to imply the players on “ohhh is this why this campaign is named Lightfall? We’re losing our Light for real?” , instead literally nobody even flinched because we all knew that that wouldn’t happen
See that would’ve worked in that scene if there wasn’t two characters that could both fly. Like Osiris yells “get your ghost!” And everyone just stands around watching him when it would take two seconds to just go up and grab him.
Hell the story spends its whole runtime hyping up an ability that lets you grab onto stuff and pull you to it only for us to just stare at the ghost as it fucks off.
cayde has yet to be brought back btw.
@@SordidusFellatio I honestly would’ve been fine with losing our light subclasses seeing how powerful we got in the DLC before, this time we would have to get used to strand and stasis. And if you look at it, all light subclasses have 3 styles of play I.e 3 different supers. Whereas the darkness subclasses only has 1 each
I think the best part about this is that Ghost and everyone acts like the Witness didn't just take over our Ghost (seriously not even a single line of dialog I've heard post-campaign has referenced this)... and the fact when Rhulk even just tried speaking to one in the past the Traveler spoke through it saying "lol no" and self destructing that poor ghost. Does this mean the Traveler wanted this to happen or was it just bad writing?
It was definitely just bad writing.
@@mr.dr0bot731 I don't want to sound like an apologist for Bungie and how badly they missed with the story of this expansion but I do feel like the Traveler has had sus intentions at best the majority of the time. Could be a bit of both with the majority being due to bad writing.
Definitely just bungo's bad writing
@@exxy9931the traveler is sus as hell don't get me wrong but if that's what Bungie indented I feel like they needed a lot more to lay it out
Veil is mentioned a total of 23 times in the campaign to answer your question
pedro coming in clutch
It's only mention so few times because we already know what it is and don't need to have a conversation about it.
@@evanf1997 i literally came back to the game because a buddy of mine gifted me the expantions for my birthday and i knew how bad lightfall was so i told him "lets play a game where gonna count how many times they talk about The Veil" and if your curious the radial mast is refered to a total of 13 times in the span of 2 missions that of itself is impressive
We have repeatedly been shown that the witness and the dark can control our ghost and can talk through the ghost for years.
Yeah but for what tho? Does it matter? No.
@@mr.dr0bot731 Didn't the Witness litterally use our ghost to connect to the Veil ?
And the characters don't think that's a bad thing lol
I loved Witch Queen both story- and gameplaywise. And out of the 4 Seasons, Haunted and Seraph were both pretty good
I liked seraphs gameplay but the story felt like we did nothing. We did all this work rebuilding Rasputin but at the last second he has to destroy himself and we're back at step one
Do the travellers shaker
I like almost everything in your rewrite except for the bosses. I believe Xivu, Nezarec, and even Calus deserve their own bigger spotlight than just 1st, 2nd or 3rd encounter of a raid.
according to leaks calus wasnt even meant to make it past witch queen. he was supposed to die in haunted, but they needed a villain for lightfall after they split it in two.
I just wish they'd just make cutscenes for all of the seasons with a voice-over explaining the season in detail so people can follow the story much better especially the new lights!
Bro not even new lights i think everyone does not want to have to play the game every week to find out a small part of the story every week in ever season and then forget what happned the season before
@ryanfraser9283 I can't tell if you're dumb or dumb. Where did I say they should make players get a small part of it weekly? All they have to do is add the cutscenes to the timeline... Learn to read, would you?
Pretty sure the original 'Lightfall' concept is now going to be 'The Final Shape'. I belive what happened was they, as originally announced, planned to go Beyond Light --> Witch Queen --> Lightfall and have Lightfall be the end of the saga, but they realized somewhere along the line they needed more time to do 'Lightfall'.. so they changed its name to Final Shape, and invented a totally new 'side-story' to be in-between, which is the Lightfall we got.
My hope is that this means the 'original Lightfall', aka Final Shape, is going to be really good for getting the extra time to cook. Here's hoping.
Neomuna really feels like a seasonal story IMO.
copium
@@Vilkiy That's what 'here's hoping' means, dude. Chill.
Thats not a tree in the vision at 9:00 that's just the back half of the veil still my guy. The veil is shown in 3 different frames. Two of the roots, and one of the top portal looking part
The Veil and Nefele Stronghold were mentioned in the lore pre-Lightfall and by Rasputin by during Season of the Seraph. Also "Veil" is said 68 times in the campaign and post game. MyelinGames counted.
I could have sworn something relevant to neomuna (the name nefele stronghold? Idk) was mentioned by Rasputin in d1.
They did name-drop the Veil in the last part of Season of the Seraph, and Osiris already knew there was something on Neptune involving it, telling our Guardian that too. Doesn't make it any less terribly written, but they at least did SOME foreshadowing in the season before.
Alot of the intro part evan got wrong, showing really small amounts of research were made.
damn bro wtf LMAO
Tbf who even played Season of the Seraph, pretty much my entire clan and all my friends stopped playing
@@emilianocastillejos1330 it was revealed right after the final mission and cutscene, I learned about it because I came back for the finale, I quit playing when the season launched lol
Probably because nobody cared because of the pile of dogshlt of a Season that is Plunder, I got extremely burned out from playing Plunder’s repetitive af activities, and I’m not even the type that grind for stuff, unlike those that say “wElL sToP gRinDinG fOr aLl rED bOrDEr AnD tHeN wHinE aBoUt tHe gAmE bEinG bLanD aNd BuRnT oUt” man I don’t even have all of the red border, in fact for Plunder’s weapon, I only have finished 2 red borders, while in Seraph, none.
Was just running witch queen again and realized you get a buff called thread cutter In the final fight with savathun
"Paracausal" in Destiny is like "quantum" in every other sci-fi show or movie (looking at you MCU)
This video made me think of something... If Nezarec was resurrected by the Light, does that make him a Guardian? Does that also make The Traveler his Ghost?
Kind of an awkward relationship if that's true 😂
The Veil was mentioned by Rasputin in his final message to us, and was told to Osiris as well. That’s how Osiris knew they were after The Witness and Calus were after the Veil
Ohh that makes so much sense why Osiris were rushing us to reach to The Veil
i think commendations are a fun thing to have, but it shouldnt have been to unlock guardian ranks.
I think they tried to make what ffxiv does, after an activity you can commend one pople in your party, those commendations unlock just cosmetics and allows you to be a mentor.
Ps. Still wouldnt be savathuns worm on Fundament cause Mara has it, it was The Osmium Kings deaf worm that whispered to Sathona 🤙
I could be wrong 15:13 ish but I don’t think it mentions dark powers specifically, but that it’s resistant to powers they know that we have and they know we have the 3 lights and Stasis but didn’t know about strand.
Its a shame they went more comic book action as opposed to a grittier take.
Osiris knew the veil was on Neptune because of Savathùn. He also saw Calus’ ships start moving towards it.
I'm still surprised we missed an entire fucking destination on a planet in our solar system when we have NLS drives on our ships
@@bofa722 To be fair, we haven't even explored most of Earth after the Collapse. In lore we know there's other areas that other Guardians have been to, but we ourselves have no real visual explanation of places like the Chicago Exclusion Zone, the Sahara Contested Zone, the Radioactive Exclusion Zone (which I think is another part of Old Russia), and SO much more.
I've been waiting for someone to talk about what was likely the original timeline. Great video Evan!
Yooo, found a wild toad comment
It’s funny how he came up with a better story Ima time crunch then an entire team could in god knows how long. I love destiny, but man sometimes this game is a mess.
Love ya toad!
Dialogue in the mission where we have to destroy the radial mast and suppression thingies from ghost specifically goes as follows " It's suppresses our powers all our known powers anyway" which is why strand is what we have to use.
Somethings about the story that bugged me that could be been improved from a writing perspective:
-This was the first time we’ve met REAL daddy Calus. When we were on the Glykon, Katabasis said Calus looked like “Slop” or “Sludge”. We don’t see that in any sort of Calus flashback or cutscene” but it would’ve helped us understand why he sided with the witness. To get his body back and his desire to no longer rule from the shadows(Daddy Calus Bots) but on the forefront.
-Calus and Kaital having a clash of ideals and mettle has been a hinted to us since the Glykon and the season of the Haunted AND Duality. The fact we don’t see more of them together was a missed Opportunity. Having a cutscene of Father and Daughter having an actual fight. Have him beat her, only because of his Darkness powers and not because of his strength. Have him show remorse she can’t follow him and her desperately trying to appeal to her father who she hates, but still cares for.
-Nimbus’ issue is a lack of proper tone yes, but a cool way to have made more sense of it is having Rohan die in the final mission (saves our ghost and dies as a result) then have that change Nimbus(sy) from a wise cracking teen to a more somber, character who makes occasional jokes and wisecracks but is more cynical and saddened as a result and their jokes reflect that(self burns and sarcastic negativity).
-Osiris was annoying during the campaign. He would’ve been much more enjoyable if rather than being insufferable with him acting as the ‘only smart guy in the room’ he could’ve been in an everpresent state of mourning over Sigira. Have him sad and remorseful throughout the campaign as he sees us interact with our ghost. Then when Rohan dies, Osiris becomes the mentor to Nimbus who is also dealing with loss, and realizes he needs to use his boundless experience in order to mentor the younger generation and others(somehow Moth Mommy Savathun was a better mentor to crow than Osiris had been in general lmaoo)
-Have the loss of the guardians at the intro and Amanda impact the characters more. Have Zavala go to try and Thunder Crash the witness, while Ikora tries no Nova bomb him and the queen harbinger his ass and Crow ‘Golden His Gun’ only for him to shoo them away, not killing them but messing them up. Have the stranger terrified because she’s never seen anything like this happen but knows it’s worse than her Dark Timelines.
-Strand is a power of memory right? Osiris says as much when he’s theorizing .Have our guardian experience memories in the form of hostile negative memories(old vaulted boss battles) and the only way to master it is to also remember the good stuff as well. Have it be something that makes our guardian DEAL with his/her trauma and move on to be stronger over all as a character
-Nezerec is one of my favorite characters in D2 but I think him just giving nightmares to the people of Neomona is outside his scope. He was brought back to life by the traveler. And is being regrown like a Chia Pet in the Witness’ Pyramid. Have his influence of nightmares extend to the last city, the dreaming city(remember that place?), Caital’s Cabal forces as well as Neomona. Rather then jumping onto the pyramid ship and messing cabal up, have the Cabal be locked in a battle against maybe the Lucent Hive since they’re on the tear to kill Neserec because they know Moth Mommy Savathun would want him dead and they also are getting nightmares. Then have a cool mechanic where we in some capacity team up with a lucent raid team to complete an encounter(like have a lucent Hive knight be the send out a buff to us that highlights which planet is dark and which one is light or something like that). Then when we fight our homie Nezerec, have a cutscene of Nezerec getting his golden armor back(like on his statues). And maybe include a mechanic where he throws curated nightmares at us, manifest copies of himself, jumpscare us etc. have him play into being a FINAL GOD OF PAIN.
I’m a writer, working on a few novels at the moment but I’m not trying to say “oh me story better, git gud bungo!” but I feel that few more emotional moments in this story, as well as cutscenes to establish characters and their relationships would go a LONG way. The witness/claus cutsesne was great and I wish we had more like it tbh
This is the best lightfall rewrite I've heard so far. You arent changing, just making it deeper and really just raising the quality.
I love all these ideas, except for the thing about Strand being a way for our Guardian to deal with their own trauma, only because that was kinda the plot of Shadowkeep already. But I wish they'd saved that for mastering Strand instead, like you are suggesting.
yo i think bungie is hiring ppl. Plz apply
Us randomly joining a Lucent Hive Team is silly and fanfictiony. If you really knew Destiny lore, you would know that Savathun will gladly wipe us out, and had her Lucent Hive kill a good dozen Guardians. She says in the Throne World Ship "Our powers may be similar, but our paths are separate." She isnt going to ally with us for the same reason the Warlords did not ally with us.
@@3ndlessL00p I mean, wasn't shadow keep about dealing with collective trauma that scarred everyone who lived through them?
A perfect explanation of the entire campaign, I agree with almost every point you brought up about the plot and the gameplay format. Hoping for a new start either at final shape or after 🙌🏼
The only problem with having the stories revolve around using the darkness subclasses is that you’d need to buy the previous expansions to have access to them
You end up on Neomuna because you follow Osiris onto Calus' ship when it starts to depart after the Witness sends him.
I just got home from a week in the woods. Perfect timing to catch the Evan drop
Let's hope that lightfall tripped so final shape could run a marathon
We weren’t going to Neptune on purpose, us and Osiris were following the ships that were leaving the battle, and boarded them. All we knew was we needed to stop whatever the hell Calus was doing
Osiris knew that "the veil" was on neptune due to Rasputin naming it and the coordinates(of neptune) at the end of season of seraph.
Nimbus is also an "angsty late teen/twenty something" that was ahead of their class as far as lore.
Im still enjoying destiny and have more positive things to say than negative but we all have different experiences and limited perspective.
Either way, be kind an respect each others opinions. I don't agree with half of what Ive seen, but this is still a great video so far Evan, if nothing else, people can take away how you see the game.
Keep killin' it dude and stay safe out there and be kind
Well he's got a perspective that is of someone who's does the immediate drop of content, and not the annual pass seasons that go away. It's something I deeply understand perspectively speaking. Fomo is not Evan's thing
@@jesseritchie9282 agreed👍
@@jesseritchie9282 He also made it his job to play/cover the game. He doesn’t experience it like most people because the game is his “9-5”.
Great reply.
tbf they explained why strand is exhausting us -- we're approaching it like stasis, abusing it for maximum power, whereas the idea was to go full bruce lee -- we're not a river, letting it flow through us, we're coercing it to our needs initially
6:35 Ive never seen something compared so perfectly before
Why didn't the Guardian use strand to grab their Ghost and pull it away from the Veil? 😒
One of the things that drove me away from Destiny was the constant feeling of losing progress due to the seasonal light model. It never felt like my account was truly growing...
Seasons are the biggest issue with destiny in my opinion
what about seasonal events like the lost or dawning
@@iamstupid-lp1tv those are fine as they are almost like a tradition. But the season system is flawed and will never be great
@@scammer9348 seasons ruined gaming in general
@@ciguret they work for brs way better tho
Sure someone has already commented this but no the ability surpressing feilds block our known abilitys strand was not known by big man but Staiss was
I appreciate your story arc continuing with the forsaken model of characters you have to knock off to get something. Nice touch!
I just noticed that in the scene where the witness is in his pyramid he passes nezarec
Statue
It's almost as if the story we got was never actually planned and the actual content they had planned had to be delayed so they tried to make another dlc before the end without actually knowing what was going to happen or even the theme🤪
I'm never this early. Not even for my job😂
"You guys are great at making the game part, save the story for the show not the game" and they were great at making the story part too, there's nothing wrong having both.
9:28 Rasputin actually told us about Neptune, Neomuna, and the Veil at the end of Season of the Seraph, and Osiris had been having visions about Neomuna ever since he returned to us at the end of Season of Plunder
your imagined lightfall/story is so much better then what we got and now i wish this would've been the story
also since strand is supposed to be pulling on threads of the mind, what place would it be more concentrated than a throneworld something woven together by savathouns own mind
Savathuns throne world looks pretty nature esque as well swinging on what looks like magic vines would make more sense here too
Also, the whole thing with the Ishtar collective is pretty straightforward. The entirety of the dungeon spire of the watcher is all about how neomuna came to be or at least part of that story and how the Ishtar collective is involved. The lore is really good. You should read it and season of seraph with the nafele stronghold also explains this
hey but ive found a “destiny 2 expansion quality loop”: bad (shadowkeep), mid (beyond light), amazing (witch queen), then back to bad (lightfall) so i think the final shape will be mid
9:45 it got mentioned at the end of season of the seraph by Rasputin
9:33 when Osiris escaped savathun’s grasp, he was able to get some info, which was something vague, but he knew she hid something on Neptune
You had a misunderstanding, they explain in the story that the radial mast is built to suppress all stuff we have avaible, strand works on it because the witness and Calus didn’t know about it
love that OoT is the background music
The only mention of the veil before Lightfall was on a text screen from the end of the previous season. It was literally just a wall of text that most people skipped or at most skimmed to get the quest done. It was a post mortem message from Rasputin, with no indication it was going to be THE McGuffin from next DLC.
Sounds to me like Evan’s hinting that he’s secretly Savathûn
9:29 in the season of the seraph when osiris recovered he saw visions of a neptunian city. He wanted to make sure of this and got the help of rasputin at the end. Rasputin recorded a message for the gaurdian after it sacrificed itself to save the traveler from the eramis that confirms the existance of neomuna and it's a home to the veil.
biggest hint of strand being in Witch Queen, is the final fight with Savathun. The Wizards we need to kill are '' Threadweavers'' Bounding the traveler with Green looking strands of webbing.... hmmm where do we see that before..
Not gunna lie, that borderlands soundtrack in the background is really fitting for some reason.
I beat the story n asking myself did they just chopped the expansion into pieces of smaller expansion and..... again?
Good thing i wait for the discount to 75 buck in PSN to get just a month later
Lightfall itself was decent. It wasn't amazing but it wasn't bad. The writing and plot was kinda mediocre and the raid is a meh... but everything else that came with it has been amazing. Strand feels incredible, except titan because we got shafted on that super, I know its strong but its the super for the 4th or 5th time. The QoL changes are great. The neomuna weapons are good, the armor is good. The destination itself is amazing. The Vex partition missions are some of the best missions ever. The "secret" exotic quest is super fun. The new strike is good. Its just insane to me that people took the writing, the only bad part, and rated the whole expansion just off that and they didn't look at anything else.
Also I prefer to judge based on seasonal content meshing with the expansion more than just the expansion. Like Witch Queen should be S or A tier but the seasonal content dropped it down to like a C or D for me. We had 1 good season with WQ and that was the shortest season with season 19. So far season 20 has been pretty good. A little short story wise but still good. Root of Nightmares is a decent raid... Its nice to have a very simple raid to take new players through. Granted DSC, KF, and VoG are also easy for new players but RoN is very beginner friendly. But like half the raid is spent traversing from one encounter to the next. It really feels like they took a dungeon and stretched it out, literally. The explicator encounter is really cool though but I wish we got the leaked boss instead of the cabal guy. But the loot from RoN is just not that great. If you compare it to Vow, Vow is amazing. Vow doesn't have a single bad weapon. Its actually kinda crazy that the vow raid exotic might be the worst weapon from that raid. The glaive and deliverance could be argued to be bad but when the raid came out the raid exotic was by far the worst weapon. Now its good, but I hate that you basically have to buy an ornament to use it.
Anyways back to Lightfall itself, yes the expansion should not have cost $100. $70-80 would be more fair. But the player rating or whatever is just because people jumped on the hate bandwagon instead of forming their own opinions. I get that lots of people dont like it but I think most people have come around to saying its like a C tier. And thats where I would put it for now. Like I said earlier if the seasonal content is as good as Beyond Lights seasonal content was then Lightfall will become a B or maybe even an A tier.
Can someone please explain why people don’t understand what they did with the veil. To me it makes total sense. From our character and everyone else we know nothing about the veil. Why do people think that bam we know everything all go a sudden. No we don’t know the veil. And bungie did say we would be a pawn. And the witness played us hard to get us into the veil. Since if the witness left the traveler the traveler would have escaped. So the next best pawn was us. And we lost. I see no issues in the story plot wise. Characters were meh tho. Please tell me I’m wrong. I’m waiting
9:42 the veil was mentioned along with the fact it was on neomuna by Rasputin at the end of season of the seraph.
It is cool to see though how the old lightfall poster art mimics the look of the traveler right now.
A circle with a triangle in the middle
This is the hard thing for me. using the Lost and GoT reference... I probably knew 3 years ago that there would be no true ending to Destiny. We'll probably kill the witness, or it'll leave, or it'll stay and we leave, or we all die... but no matter what, I always knew I was not going to be happy with any possible ending that the Bungie writers come in with. Expectations vs Reality. The bar is already so high (even after all the misses this season) that when we get to the end it'll fall flat. But, and there is always a but.... the game has made itself such a part of my life, that i'm still going to push on to see the end.
I'm old enough that I played games with almost no story in it. As John Carmack founder of ID studios and creator of Doom said : “Story in a game is like story in a porn movie, It's expected to be there, but it's not important.” My how things have changed.
It was the premise of season of seraph and spire of the watcher that we find out what was missing as a second plot. 1 of the last 3 mission was that we go to the cosmodrome bunker for the information if nefele stronghold aka neomuna. Osiris was the only one who knew about that because rasputin gave him this information thats why he is on neomuna and we were send after him to babysit him from ikora that is the second cut scene from lightfall before the gameplay
The design of Neomuna is completely nonsensical. Nobody would ever design and live in a city like that. For one, the roads are narrow planks suspended above bottomless pits of death with speed bumps to knock you off the road to your death.
I like how they say “it’s going to be one wild continuous ride” and it’s only gonna have like 7 to 8 short missions
I started playing D2 last month, and I've played through the Witch Queen campaign, the Lightfall campaign, and just in the last couple of days, the Beyond Light campaign. I'm super new to the universe, and I'm just along for the ride at this point as a newbie. I don't have the last 8 or 9 years that some have, and I don't expect myself to be on the same level as my friend, who's been with Destiny since the beginning. The poor man has scraped my pixels off the ground more times than we can count, but the environments and the new challenges have been fun for me.
In any case, I appreciate your review as an experienced player in the Destiny universe. Your points make sense and I get the frustration of gameplay vs story (I played WoW for a decade, I get it 😅). I can only hope that the writing pulls through from here on in and that find a cohesive conclusion leading into the Final Shape.
Wish we had you writing the last few years for the story it’s perfect
Just as a sidenote, if you notice little details of the ornaments, from witch queen, even things like the gauntlets, on the hunters, all of that crochet and knitted stuff
LF was announced before BL came out, TFS almost a year later. Nothing was "rushed".
I want to point out we don’t know we have to go to Neptune. Osiris does thanks to Season of the Seraph. we also don’t “just bump into Osiris on his own mission” the opening cutscene and opening missions dialogue we go to help/protect him
9:40 the end of the season of the seraph mission??? Rasputin literally mentions the veil being on Neptune along with a hidden city and the coordinates for Osiris to head to it makes perfect sense
i liked lightfall cause vex are hella cool and being able to enter the vex net multiple times via lost sectors and strikes etc is so cool its why i played season of the splicer so much
Borderlands 2 music around 39:00 caught me off guard.
People keep saying “they think” strand was for witch queen. Well it was it’s a known fact Bungie literally said it was and it was pushed out for another light 3.0 rework.
I still can't believe calus' fight is literally just a reskin of the big white armored railgun cabal that fire blinding rockets, and then his second phase is just a reskinned gladiator
The veil is mentioned by rapsuting on it's final message, it is a artifact related to paracausal power on Neptune
But we never knew where is neomuna, we have visit neptune before and found nothing
We found out about the veil cause of the spire of the watcher mission.
9:39 It’s Rasputin, after his death he left a note talked about Neptune and the Vile so I think is this the reason about our guardian and the Vile
I want your lightfall you came up with, it sounds sick
It’s crazy how D1 black garden era writing is better than Lightfall
Also also in the last mission of witch queen, the wizards are making threats to tangle the traveler to the throne world, thats strand.
Something you got wrong at 15:10 is that the radial mast (and it’s mini versions) can’t be destroyed by darkness alone. It says it suppresses our KNOWN POWERS. The witness knows we have stasis… he literally gave it to us, however they don’t know that we have strand. Again it’s not that darkness can destroy them, it’s that unknown powers can cause they weren’t made to suppress them.
Congratulations. They need to hire you for a story director. I’m not even joking. Your fan made one feels like an actual cohesive story.
His wage will be $4/hr
Appreciate the Borderlands 2 OST music at the end gamers, this is evidence Evan is a GOAT
I loved the story, as an avid fantasy reader I would read your entire series of books in a few days for that story
They did mention the Veil at the end of last season, Rasputin said it was on Neptune.
You did cut off a part of the ending cinematics where the Witness "shapes" a triangle over the Traveler to open that portal
Now that we’re getting Prismatic this makes so much more fitting sense. Imagine losing our light abilities in Lightfall to get them back only for the next story beat for us to combine our powers together in a boundary breaking prism. I usually avoid and dislike UA-cam creator rewrites but this is perfect Evan
I wish I could go to the timeline where Bungie release the original idea for the dlc
The 33% rating is hilarious because Eris Morn made a reference to hermeticism in the first sever mission from Season of the Haunted. I’m the only one I’ve seen so far to have caught that since “As above, so below” is sussy mystic occult lingo to which most people would never be privy otherwise, but for whoever wrote that line, I’m sure it spun like poetry. It seems like they’ve been waiting until recently to start inserting their renditions of ancient symbols in occlusion, but there are probably way more that we all overlooked in everything up to now. The problem they’re facing is how to make it significant enough to help people understand the story better, and that entirely comes down to the fact that the writing needs improvement.
The Witness making the ☀️ shape with the Traveler, for example, is very on the nose, but to make people think twice about that, it needs to be illustrated more, because there’s a symbolic reason that we draw 8 triangles around a circle to represent the Sun or an octagram to represent Venus/Ishtar/“The Morning Star” that could easily be tied into the story, having more relevance than in name alone, with just a little more effort.
Another one I noticed: in the first cutscene the Witness uses its left hand to wipe out the Guardians and find the Veil, but in the last cutscene it uses its right hand to triangulate the Traveler, all while the leitmotif “The Path (Luna)” from the Music of the Spheres plays over what sounds like the Traveler screaming. It’s space magick. If the visuals, music, and dialogue aren’t doing more than just some obscure reference to explain its significance to the story, then it should be further elaborated upon with less contrived, more intuitive writing.
I’ve always hated the seasonal model and I’m hating it even more now. The game is crumbling. I’ve gotten kicked from the game around 75 times since lightfall. Sometimes it even crashes my console. I don’t even get error codes. They need to start making sure stuff works before just jamming it into the game
At the start of light fall I don’t think the guardian is aware of what the veil is or what they have to do, osiris knows apparently but maybe he had other information. The only reason we end up on Neptune is because the escape pods crash there