[TF2] Set Synergy: Defence
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2022
- Some guy recalls and recounts his recorded videos and goes back to a cult classic, the item sets. Talking about if they work together, how good they are and how they definitely could be better.
This video took longer than usual, mainly because of a lack of personal interest and SFM hating me. However, it's done.
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Set Synergy: Offence can be found below
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I feel like "and then the tough break update happened" could describe 90% of the current tf2 balance situations
Fuck the Tough Break update,
All my homies hate the Tough Break update
Don't really agree with the notion that it made the Persian Persuader bad though. You get charge on hit and when you pick up ammo packs.
I hadn't played before Tough Break, so I couldn't tell you how good the old one was, but I can tell you that the current one is a very good Demoknight option.
I dunno, some of heavies best mobility items were basically fucked over during meet your match/Jungle Inferno. And some of the balance nowadays can be blamed on those two updates. Rather than the tough break. Since… well the Base Jumper is almost always the worst option now, since it kills your horizontal mobility as soon as you deploy it. And that wasn’t tough break that killed it far as I can recall, that was meet your Match and JI.
If tough break was a character it would probably be the “I like trains kid”
I unfortunatly wasnt playing tf2 at this time but i heard the meet your match and tough break update sucks
Make the Pomson projectile speed be the same as the crusader's crossbow, make it have a bigger damage radius, and make it penetrate players, and you've got yourself a great long-range spam weapon, complimenting his pistol and short-range sentry.
So pretty much a full revert (barring how the Cloak/Uber drain works)
That sounds like an Idea for making the pompson NOT SHIT
Penetration on Pomson was a thing till it got remove on it but due to the fact it could penetrate and hit the medic behind draining the uber and can be infinite spam with no downside since engineer usually stay in the back Casual and Comp it somewhat oppressing for medic.
@@aibadenshi ,A
The Warriors Spirit alone carries the Hybernating Bear Set to Victory. With no doubt the Brass Beast, Steak and Warriors Spirit are the best item combo in the entire game... *thats a joke lads*
*Laughing*
Time to play MvM!
@@dimsthedimwit600 *drinks and burps*
*Gut wrenching laughter*
Not to mention the set originally had a 5% crit resistance on full set
Spaceguy :- I wish there was another wrench focusing on one building
Gunslinger :-
A melee weapon
-Has its hits eaten by teammates
-Has a delay between the button press and the "bullet" coming out
The pomson 6000 is quite literally a melee weapon and no-one will hear me (certified 700 kill pomson user) on this issue.
To defend the Hibernating bear set, it works perfectly in MvM. Brass Beast is your main damage source as a Heavy, but the Buffalo steak and Warrior's Spirit help you overcome one of your weaknesses in MvM, the tanks. You minigun does less damage against tanks, but i you eat the steak and use the warrior sprit, you gain a lot of damage against tanks, making it the objectively best choice in MvM if there is a tank (specially in stuff like Expert where stacking heavies is the meta)
Maybe not objectively because Pyro and the Cleaner's Carbine and a Knife exist, but you get the point.
isnt stacking heavies the meta for everything?
@@society1876 I mean, the meta in expert MvM is Engie, Scout, Sniper/Demo and 3 heavies. But expert also can be done with, Well, 5 Snipers and one Engie for support
@@CrabKFPI think the meta is 5 god snipers And 1 engi but because it's rare to never miss so the other much easier option is that
I mean, I think the Persian Persuader is already fine as it is. It does allow better run-and-hit-and-run tactics, especially paired with the Splendid Screen, and would be better when it comes to killing one specific enemy in for example a group and charging away without dying. It is also pretty useful when you're stuck in normal melee combat to easily get your charge back (and its much more forgiving when you miss your charges but im just bad at Demoknight)
Anyways great video, as always!
Anyways
7:54 wake up babe I made another cameo in the new spaceguyonline video
Glad you didn't abandon the series, can't wait for the support classes episode
And the doctor was never heard from again !!
Amazing anamation space as usual also you would be a good sfm artist
The Swashbuckler's Swag feels like two half-finished sets stuck together since pirate demo got more items. The bombs on his vest fit the loose cannon perfectly, while the bootlegger pairs better with the tide turner. Throw in the musket-looking Quickiebomb Launcher, and all you need is a new cutlass sword to have complete sets for Demoman and Demoknight.
The Persian Persuader looks a lot like a cutless honestly.
@@ninjashot37 a mild bit, I guess, but it's actually a scimitar
Your animations are getting better with every upload, very nice.
"remember how piss poor the persuader is"
me who obtained over 200 of them whilst "sober" : "but... but AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH is fun"
for the one thousand and one demoknights the Persian persuader allows you to charge much more than any other sword allowing you to deal the Splendid Screens increased damage more.
That spy started fucking ascending after being hit by the Pomson 💀
I appreciate the constant alliteration, very unique but fitting!!
As a demoknight main thats sinked in too many hours for me to say without hurting my pride, the persian persuader is really good. Despite demoknight being radically different from regular demoman hes balanced in the same way. He has very high damage, but low uptime. Being able to reduce this downtime so greatly allows you much more tacticle flexibility with your approach and escapes and allows you to catch people unaware with a crit sword swing to their melon. The only other way to cleanly make escapes as demoknight is either with damage surfing or with the tide turner, both of which are horribly unreliable. Oh yea, and you can ping pong to enemies if you can kill them in 195 damage or more if your good with shield bashes as you get instant recharge on kill.
i’m not sure if you’re calling the persuader bad or if the other options are just better
but i find that the better you know a map, the way better it feels, especially with the tide turner
The Yoshi song you played at around 8:20...holy hell that was jarring and flung me back to my childhood. I was not expecting that lmao btw your animations are getting top notch I can't wait to see what you do with it in the future keep up the great work :D
Hey whats is music at 8:21
I AM THE DEFENSE
I’ve been excited for this video ever since the first Set Synergies video. Can’t wait for the Support Classes video!
I do have one small nitpick though. Same as last time. It’s that you misspelled Grordbort as Grodbort
The usage of the desert theme for the 'one thousand and one demoknights' set earned a like from me.
I'm a simple man; I hear Terraria music, I press the like button.
"A campaign to change the pomson"? There is one?
Also, as a Dane viewer, I feel obligated to mention how powerful the Eureka effect is during setup. Uncle Dane's "Jag Effect rollout" explains it better than I could as he invented it, but the idea is to roll out with it, placing your buildings (usually one at spawn), upgrade them fast with the jag then often finish with the eureka effect, as you usually have enough metal at this point and it becomes stock with a "go home because of that stupid spy sapping my TP"/"I'm not soloing 3 ubers" button.
I can't wait for the next Set Synergy video
A cool idea for a spin-off series could be a designing a 3rd weapon for item sets with only 2
Not really, not that the idea of making new weapons is bad but most item sets actually do have a 3rd item or even cosmetic choice that Valve just didn't add to the game
@@SpaceGuyOnline oh ok. I was just curious to see if you could synergise them with a third weapon instead of buffing/nerfing
Thanks for actually saying SOMETHING good about the brass beast
Hibernating Bear consists of the worst weapons in each slot. Seems fitting
Brass Beast is alright, it's extremely niche in its use but it has a use unlike the Natascha
@@SpaceGuyOnline I mean... The natasha is very good at pissing scouts off.
It's been a while since I've seen the Huo Long Heater used to good effect though ... Maybe if it did mini crits to burning players, the heavy-pyro combo would become a thing? At short range both of them don't need any help, at long range the pyro can kinda do it by himself...
I'm slowly realizing what I'm typing. Nevermind.
Imagine a pyro spamming the scorch shot at the cart and suddenly the heavy peppering you from across the map just mows the entire team down.
We don't need that. Forget it.
@@gregoirebasseville4797 it's a kinda unown thing but if you strafe the slowdown doesn't work so instead of holding forward hold forward and left or forward and right
Same with the sandman
@@SpaceGuyOnlineit legit is a Gatling gun. How is it bad? Mobility ain’t the end of the world
@@Mentelgen-1337 lack of mobility is 100% the issue with Heavy as a whole and giving him a gun that restricts his movement even more, it's why the Tomislav is regarded as the strongest minigun because it allows Heavy to actually remain mobile while firing
When I saw this video in my feed I thought it was going to be a video essay defense of the tf2 item set bonuses of the old days, which I was curious enough to humor.
Honestly, I think the idea of item sets are neat, like if you have these 2-3 items that are decent on their own they get a stat that makes them synergize better, and they COULD reintroduce that. The major problem was with linking those sets to Hats. And I guess headshot immunity was kind of crazy
My biggest feeling regarding the items discussed in the video are that the Eviction Notice NEEDS a rework. Lumping it in with the G.R.U. made it unplayable. I agree with your idea to give it movement speed on hit instead of by default, like the new Hot Hand, and I think quicker swap speed would be really nice.
The Persuader Is great, the extra charge it gives demoknight allows for them to turn into that crit missile more often, add that with the splendid screen’s recharge rate and you got charges for days
Timestamp:
0:00 Intro
0:49 Expert's Ordinance
4:15 1001 Demoknight
6:54 Swashbuckler's Swag
7:50 Hibernating Bear
13:21 Black Market Business
16:38 Dr.Grodbort Brainiac Pack
19:51 End
20:13 Credits
Loved the RA Hellmarch paired with the Brass Beast
Finally the so waited sequel!
when I heard the line "made in heaven or hell" the input for hammerfall to pot buster popped into my head
Last time I was this early the hibernating bear was still useful
Wow that must be a while ago. Was it ever? When?
@@gregoirebasseville4797 approximatley December 16th 2010 and before
here's a neat idea to buff the eviction notice, what if you could pull it out while revved up? maybe have it lock you to melee only for a single second or two so you can't use it to insta cancel your rev, move around a corner and rev up again, but the idea of instantly switching to your melee to punch the guy who got in your face seems pretty neat
If it weren't for the primary ammo penalty, the Persian persuader would actually work pretty well as a hybrid knight weapon with the tide turner
I love DRG, it's been my favorite game as of late. I'd definitely watch a video on it.
Persian persuader: you heal when you charge to longer you charge the more you heal. the 2nd option is mini crits and speed boost on kill.
i wonder why the pomson projectile is pink on sfm. lazy purple wrangler ghost moment
I certainly can support I have a lack of loathing for the amusement acquired from the applicable alliteration in this monotone monologue, and my apparent attraction to its appeal.
Interesting that you have gripes with the persian persuader it went from being a weird half zatoichi knock off with its ability to heal on kills via the dropped ammo packs to being its own thing (namely granting the user the ability to charge a lot more) with ammo packs becoming charge meter
I remember hearing the the tomislav and family business were meant to be one weapon, a tomigun style primary for heavy. Similar to the Huo long heater being a fireworks cannon instead of a minigun, valve musta thought that was too much work and split the weapon in two
The Hybernating Bear is THE go-to heavy loadout for MVM. Max out swing speed on the Warrior's Spirit since miniguns have a damage penalty against Tanks, and you basically have not just the highest damage melee in the game but also a way to quickly buff your damage with the Steak (and you can still heal teammates). The Brass Beast is the DPS GOD of Miniguns, and you don't move around too much in MVM and the damage resistance helps with the ones you can buy.
daytime doublecross is beautiful
one idea I had with the pomson is to make it a mini rocket launcher, scrap the clock and uber drain and give it a minor splash dmg(around 60-70 dmg per direct hit with 3 person wide radius). it also adds a mobility tool for engineer. although its reload speed need a nerf in this case.
Solid state drive
The pomson also has a 30% penalty to ramp-up. It does up to 72 dmg at close range.
Persian Persuader is a good sword IMO. May be an increase in charge gained from ammo could be introduced.
A very goofy idea I had for the Persian Persuader. (I thought it’d be fun imo).
On Critical hit, the hit opponent is forced to be honor bound; and cannot withdraw their melee weapon either until they die, the demo dies or they touch a supply shelf. The Persuader will also do extra damage on players honor bound/have melee weapons out (20 to 40%).
The Persuader would also have faster firing speed and faster weapon switching.
Buff for Warrior's Spirit:
No pushback force taken.
What if we modify the draining cloak and uber to give metal?
It helps with the Eureka Effect's less metal on pick ups, meaning you don't need to go to spawn as often, keep pressure up as Battle Engie and gives a unique reward.
Editing this cause I got a better idea:
So, instead of just draining cloaks and uber, it drains all meters in general. In return your own meter will go up, once full you can give yourself a shield for a brief period of time.
Could play in this weird 'defensive aggression' the Eureka Effect promotes.
Don’t even get me started on flapjack’s choice of medic primary
id love to hear this man make a rap album
Solid State Drive
Another easy fix for the loch-n-load is to remove the damage bonus as well as the clip size penalty.
Based on the name for the load out, Hibernating bear
Brass Beast- defense sleeping bear
Warrior Spirit and steak- aggressive bear
Sadly they didn't do the set justice.
Fishstickonastick suggest making the warrior Spirit be honor bound instead of damage vulnerability which I can agree with
The damage vulnerability on the Warrior’s Spirit when combined with the Buffalo Steak Sandvich actually isn’t as bad as you think (it’s still terrible though). It’s not 20% + 30% = 50%, it’s like if you took 20% off of 300, and then 30% from that, which gives Heavy an effective health of 168.
I mean buffalo steak + gloves of running is alright to get to the point if there is no teleporter
Ammo could put out status effects as well as give you charge that way if you do manage to kill a pyro you will be rewarded with not dying of afterburn. Or perhaps the persuader could negate all knockback when used with a sheild and boots that way a pyro can't ruin your fun by mindlessly pressing m2 when you get close. Though I would argue something like the skull cutter needs that sort of buff more, in a place without random crits the skull cutter isn't worth it at all, I feel like a big honking axe that makes you slower would also make you harder to move so that just makes sense to me.
Hibernating bear is meta for heavy on any map with tanks. Cause buffalo steak/warrior spirit is heavies best tank busting and brass beast is the best for mvm in general
SpaceGuyOnline killed so many friendlies in this video the UN asked him if he wanted to assist in their next humanitarian intervention
6:54 I think a temporary (1 second) speed buff upon ammo pick up with the sword or maybe 2 charges would make this set go places.
Pardon the pun.
That soundtrack though. I noticed Terraria and Payday 2 in there
Here I go looking for poopy joe again, augghhh
A couple ideas for some really big buffs to the Steak and Warrior's Spirit that I personally liked.
Steak Sandvich: Take that damage vulnerability, turn it upside down. 20% Damage resistance while the effect is active, improve the speed a little more too. Otherwise, maintain the weapon as is. While active, restricted to melee, get a damage resistance, get a speed boost, and deal mini-crits.
Warrior's Spirit: Take off the damage vulnerability, and make it into the Heavy's version of the Zatoichi by adding the honor-bound effect too the weapon, though under a different name to fit the weapon more.
i just got here earlier than i have ever been to a video
The brass beast feels like it’s testosterone in it’s final final, actually no, it’s penultimate form
What is the final form?
For Demoknight, maybe with the Persian-Persuader, shield bashing has no knockback and instead slows victims for a duration depending on damage dealt
For Heavy, one idea could be that the Warrior's Spirit recharges/reloads 50% of the secondary items on kill, (reloads 50% the clip in guns and lunch-box items are recharges by 50% too) instead of the health-on-kill. Maybe as a downside it could get the Honor-Bound penalty
Not gonna lie if you've never used the brass beast, play class wars and wait for heavy vs heavy. You'll see how much your bold and brash beast shreds em.
The damage resistance of the Brass Beast only applies to the hit that knocks Heavy below half health. The damage resistance does not apply to any hits taken when below half health, only the single instance of damage that knocks you below half health to begin with.
It would be good if the loch and load got turn into the Demo Direct Hit with 25% Damage Increase and Mini Air Crit but with only 2 shot again and negative 50% blast radius.
And the Caber explosion can just hit a flat 100 explosion damage on hit with no extra damage.
But it can now mini Crit on jump.
So you can jump in to finish someone low if possible.
You should definitley make a DRG video Rock and Stone!
With Explosive Ordinance, play as Caber Knight. As the shields can make the Caber more consistent.
Support Class set when
Why reduce the loch n' loads capacity back to 2? It's based on a german weapon and the lower barrel isn't a firing barrel, it stores two grenades while one is in the top.
I might be wrong about it being german tho
When can we get a weird argument about milk, again..
in the roblox tf2 emolator, the pomson was converted into a hitscan incendiary rifle
On the bear claws:
If spy can have a weapon that makes him immortal at close range for no reason, let the bear claws fully heal heavy on kill.
This has been my TED talk.
I think removing the animation from the Steak and having it activate melee minicrits instantly could make for a very fun weapon and would at least fix one issue with it. Also it could cover for the Brass Beast's horrible jumprev
Can't wait for sss
Nice sfm animation
Persian Persuader isn't a weak sword. Not at all! Charge, being the core mechanic of Demoknight, is the one thing that enables him to be a threat. A Demoknight without charge is a sitting duck, and is one of the most exploitable loadouts in the game. The Eyelander solves this problem by bumping his mediocre mobility to scout's level, which none of the other sword can do (its kinda bs and it's solely why it's the best sword). The Persuader tries to solve this by having charge all the time, meaning you always have a way in and out of combat. Being overhealed definetely helps, but having no charge basically means you are stuck with melee without a way to close the gap, and it's why even back-pedalling spies can take you out and the reason i think the half-zatoichi is worse than the persuader.
Btw, nice vid!
found poppy joe at 17:18 (top right, on the window) !
Yep, just send a photo of this comment in the discord with your steam trade link
@@SpaceGuyOnline done!
Persian Persuader makes you as your charge faster and a speedboost on kill
12:03 Actually it's about 192 HP left,i think
Heavy doesn't have Bad primary weapons
he has Effective and More Effective weapons
What a shame I thought that you would make an arguement defending tieing gameplay effects to cosmetics. That take wouldve been interesting
The problem with brass beast clip was that your team was already rolling them. You would notice how bad it was if you were losing.
I mean they were also friendlies. It also is a bad weapon like I said in the video, but it's not necessarily bad from a stat perspective but more from the fact it has a niche. The Neon Annihilator isn't a bad weapon but it's uses are really limited, similar to the Brass Beast just a lot worse
@@SpaceGuyOnline Oh I didn’t notice they were friendlies in the first clip, I thought it was only the second clip. I do agree, but I feel the brass beast sort of fills the niche of heavy as a whole; however, it exaggerates his weaknesses and slightly improves his strength. Still, it is a minigun so it can’t be that bad.
Also the neon annihilater is praised for being “underrated and fun” specifically and only by people who play 2fort 24/7.
I like the Brass Beast. But not with the Hibernating Bear set.
I like the warriors spirit to kill kunai spies lol
Hell yeah finally
Heavy is scrooge confirmed
hey man does someone know the song of the eureka effect part? would help me a lot
I like when people when someone says "outclassed" it means that the weapon is bad. No, no its not, he means that the Persian Persuader is underwhelming to use, not as good as the other weapons not like its bad, its a good weapon it just makes his dopamine dry up quickly when using it
"...like demo here." You fool. You should have said does, the alliteration is ruined!
caber should have a recharge like the razorback tbh
I would watch a DRG video, funny dwarf game fun
Been some time
an interesting direction they could take the loach and load is to make it explodes when it hits a wall so it kinda turns into a weird rocket grenade launcher hybrid, you still lose rolling pills and splash damage by itself isnt super op imo. Right now the pros gets outweighed by the cons so much it's not even funny.
17:18 tHe SoUrCe FiLmAkEr GhOsT hAs CoMe To HaUnT uS! RUN AWAY!!