Edrum News: Roland VAD706, Digital Hi-hat, TD50X, Roland TD50K2, and The Roland TD50KV2
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2021
- Roland just released a new series of flagship electronic drum products. So lets break down the specs, and if they are worth buying.
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The TD-50x upgrade will be $199 available through Roland Cloud.
Nice...$200 for ~400 new sounds is fair, and hopefully the new kits won't require much time to tweak. Any idea when it'll be available?
EDIT: I got the upgrade on May 1, and the new sounds are amazing. The upgrade was a little wonky, but I was using an old SD card and once I got a new card the upgrade went in just fine...took a couple hours, patience is not my strong suit!
not bad actually
@@brianetheredge7323 Yes
@@brianetheredge7323 Roland customer service emailed me at the end of April.
Do we know if the td27 sounds will be upgraded?
Erik at Edrumcenter posted on FB, $199 for the 50X upgrade or free for TD50 purchases in 2021.
I still think a TD60 is on the way in a couple years, but until then, these are some good upgrades
@@petergriffinelectricdrums4164 Roland is like Gibson with its prices. However when you buy a Roland product you know you are getting a professional quality product that will last for years of consistently getting the snot beat out of it. That’s why so many Roland td-10 kits are still around today because they are quality products. 900$ over 20 years is 45$ a year and that’s very reasonable for quality gear. You don’t see many Alesis products that have been used for 20 years still being sold on 2nd market and still operable. Maybe one of its compression rack units. Love my
Alesis strike module, however I’m afraid of something breaking on it and instead of getting it repaired having to buy a brand new unit.
I personally think this update will add 3-5 years to the generation. The 50 is pretty amazing module and look like they have really handled all the major gripes people had with it. But as always for some, Roland will never be good enough compared to VSTs or Electronic drums will always still suck in general. Glad you were on this with a great video so soon. Thanks for all you do for the eDrum community.
@@mattryan6886 I donated my old TD-10 kit to a church about 10 years ago. They are still using them today, and they still sound amazing given the age of that tech.
I don’t think the 503 has the 16R as you said a few times I think in the vid.
@@brad_neal I sold my td-10 and td-11 module when I bought my strike module last year. I used my td-10 to connect to my laptop for drum software and it worked great. Roland definitely makes solid dependable gear
I nearly crapped my pants when I heard how much the digital hi hats were gonna cost
The VH-13's cost around $700, so no surprise here. I actually thought they would be much more.
@@jellydonutdrummer Yeah, I was expecting $1,000+, so I'm not shocked.
they are hella expensive...
Same. It's over the top.
I got my vad 506 on order and a digital hi hat on pre-order! Can't wait
900?! outrageous pricing for hi hats
i am satisfied with my cy-5 *cries in the corner*
Who would ever pay retail for anything. Contact your dealer and get a good discount as always with Roland stuff.
$900 is about what I'd expect for a brand new state of the art electronic high hat. It has multiple sensors and a processor in the unit itself, so it's not just a simple trigger.
Just picked up a TD-50x, ATV Cymbals,, Drum-Tec Mesh Heads, and a bunch of other stuff from Drum-Tec over the past year because of your videos. You made turning my acoustic kit digital super easy. Keep up the great videos!
Great video detailing updates. Love the Edrumcenter shirt. Hope you’re doing well man 🥁
I am SO excited for this kit. It looks gorgeous and the Hi-Hat sensitivity is supposed to be out of this world!
Finally! the digital hi hat looks awesome
I really want to try it in person
For $900 I don’t think it can be mediocre, do you?
Well judging by how awesome the snare and ride cymbal perform, I’m 100% certain these hi hats will be the best e-hi hats ever made
They look awesome,but the price isn't
im totally digging the 700 series drums! Nice mic, by the way. Picks up your voice quite well :)
Dude, love your videos! You are awesome, regards from Japan !!
Im about to buy my first kit, probably td17kvx but man did you help me when I was doing my homework on e kits! Thank you sir!
Thats a GREAT 1st kit.
Epic first kit!, your going to love it 👍🏻
I would never pay $8,000 for a electronic drum set. That's insane
Yes
Fantastic video as usual, thanks Justin! 👍
I think the reason the td30 didn't get a half step upgrade is because they started to add digital pads and the td30 didn't have the inputs for that so we got the td50 instead of a td30x.
Great video Justin. The kits look really exciting but a little pricey. The digital hihat looks great with all the features. Thanks. Love your channel. Nice new mic too
Thanks for sharing Justin, glad to see you are doing well my dear friend! :-)
Thanks for explaining the new release!
You should do 706 and 506 comparison video.
I have the 506 and definitely will be getting myself a set of those digital hi hats.
I have played the hats and they are awesome. I have played the 706 as well. Both are really great.
I read in an article from one major music shop in Japan, that the sound engineers who had developed TD-30 module took huge part in developing the whole new sounds for TD-50x. I was wondering why it sounds familiar to me, and now I know.
DAMN IT! I JUST BOUGHT A TD27 ONE MONTH AGO WITHOUT THIS HITHAT!!!!
I did as well, the td 27 is compatible with the new high hats just a free software update. I only use it for triggering in two SD3 and that combo is excellent!
Thank you for the great video. You are always my first port of call for any updates regarding Roland Drums. But I have to say it here again clearly since I play the SD3 there is no going back to the original Roland sounds. The hardware from Roland is great. But I never go back to their own Modul sounds. Real drum sounds are a complete another Level
Good video, as always.
I remember the set you had
on the roof. Did you make and attach the platform up there yourself?
This is very exciting!
Very expensive is the phrase I would put in front of that
Another great video :) Do you know if the processing power etc of the 50X module will be the same as the current module, please? Put another way - is the only difference limited to software? Cheers
damn, you got this out fast!
I worked overnight and finished the video around 6:30am lol.
@@65Drums crazy, haha
Great vid man!!!
Great video Justin
I got the 506 recently it’s my first ever electronic drum kit wanted one for years I’m interested in seeing what the new hi-hat is like
Thanks for this detailed run-down! I listened to the demos that have been released so far and while I think the TD-50x sounds a good bit better than the regular TD-50, but still think that the Pearl Mimic Pro sounds better - and it's years old at this point. Certainly, Pearl/Slate are probably watching this release and have been prepping for something of their own (though we got a pretty cool set of updates last summer). I am still awaiting monetization of my own channel before rewarding myself with a new acoustic kit to convert with my Mimic, but I'm sure that this release of new Roland stuff will inspire many to find a way to do it DIY or cheaper than these releases. I'm sure they are quite good, because as you said, Roland doesn't usually half-bake stuff, but there are very effective ways to do this far less than the $8k that is reserved for a different group than I am in! Thanks again for the video (not sure how after these years, but I wasn't already subscribed, so you just got another).
Roland instructed retailers to offer free download keys to customers who bought their TD-50 on or after 1/1/2021.
I got my key from Sweetwater less than a day after making the request.
The upgrade is really nice.
yeey new video!! and digital hi-hat :OO
Hi Justin and thanks a lot for the video! just a question, do you think the td-27 is gonna get all the nuances from the vh-14d? or is something that just the td-50x is gonna do?
I have a TD-50 module with the digital snare and ride as well the VH-13s and some of their crashes. While I think their drum trigger pads are the best they were way beyond my budget (even before the new full size ones) so I built my own tom and kick triggers (Keller shells for the toms and an old CB-700 kick my church was throwing out). As pointed out in this and many other videos the sounds in the TD-50 (and elimination of the percussion sets in previous modules) were not what I expected from such a pricey sound module so I bought a V Expressions expansion that solved that. I am very interested in the TD-50X upgrade but not happy that my V Expressions pack won't work with it. I'm sure V Expressions will have a pack for it soon though if the sounds don't wow me.
i cant wait to see the hihat in action! but im worried it wont be that "groundbreaking" as i hoped.
I’m liking the VAD 503!
Fantastic work as usual!
Just a quick question
Im buying in the next 2 months, the VAD506
and later i plan to buy the td50x and plug it in the VAD506
is that a good idea????? ???
Is it worth? I am thinking that maybe the VAD506 hats and toms sensors could be limited to make the full use of the td50x module
i know it might sound stupid, still i have that question a long time now. I know some hats are the same with the td50 but, is it worth?????
I really want to try that hihat 🔥
You rule, thanks for posting your awesome vids, 2 thumbs way up! Just got a td17 kit w/ a 2 year x warranty for 18 even at my local GC & I'm loving it--- I think it's funny that peeps want a trad look in their electronic kit, but vive le differance! I get it, I just think it's kind of --- "cosmetically needless" (cosplay-ist?... pretend?) but I get it... I guess... My only real con is the too-low rack wtf? but I happen to own a vintage 1987 original Roland Percussion System rack which completely changes the compact td17 rack's semi-demi-halfsize teen bedroom feel to imposing spacious H-frame awesomeness & I have room to add my old PD10 kick for double kick madness. Btw---I saw your mention of that gel whiter product for the PD10's yellowing issue, so big thanks for that!! cheers & may your rolls be even!:)))
Another great video justin! the new upgrade for the 50 sounds promising
but it seems they still have that problem of losing the analog input when the
digital is plugged in, so with all digital pads used, you lose 5 inputs!! it's a
shame really.
Yeah it's unfortunate
Hey Justin whats up buddy nice review. My main interest is the HH and the X upgrade. I run a TD50 now with a TD30 run in audio. I split the HH jack on the TD50 and ran a wire to a CY5 on my right side, both hats work off the same pedal and it is great. How can I do this if I upgrade to the VH-14D, it doesn't seem possible unless a splitter is available that does both digital and analogue. I use a Hosa GPP-359 and it works great, the difference in volume is a bit of an issue but I can deal with it. I love having the secondary HH because it opens the kit up for me and allows other possibilities that do not exist playing cross-armed. I'm back playing now about 6 months from not playing since the mid90s. I researched ekits for about 3 months before purchasing and I have to thank you for all the info you gave me to help make that decision. I went with a used TD30 and later upgraded to the 50 at a STEAL, with the digi ride and snare! I run ATV cymbals, Roland cymbals and GEWA cymbals, also just pulled the KD140 and upgraded to two ATV KD18s splitting my Trick Black Widow, wow what a kit for my first EKit, lol. What can I do about a second HH run off the same pedal as the VH-14D but on the other side of the kit, that digi HH is not cheap. Thanks, you rule on the EKit reviews!!!
Can you do a review regarding Roland TD 3 connected to Roland TMC 6 trigger midi converter and show us how to connect it and set it up as there is no videos on you tube on these 2 models!
Please can you do this! It’s really need to be done! And the help would be very much appreciated
I think their reason for describing how the modules sound engine works differently was done to make it seem more similar to things like superior drummer.
Justin do you know if any vst plugins can take advantage of the the improved tracking and articulations of the digital snare, ride and new hats? I own a TD30kv kit and I am contemplating doing the module and cymbal upgrades. I am studio based and don’t gig the kit , just trigger drum VSTs.
I am in the same situation, with my fully kitted out TD30. However, the upgrade kit plus digital HH, starts to get close to the price of the 50K2, and I would still be using my old pads and rack.
I’m looking to build and electric drum kit using the pearl mimic pro module. what pads should i use with it?
They finally nailed the snare.
I think the TD-50 K2 is the best deal. The VAD line of drums yes that’s all well and good, however I personally do not like having to lug around full sized drums. E-kits have been much easier for me to load in/out. I unfortunately now have to use a cane so my ability to haul gear is greatly reduced. Full size kits look great of course, transporting them is a different animal all together. The new upgrade for 32 channels over USB is a fantastic upgrade. I can’t wait to try out the digital hihats. The hihat has long been the weakest link in the chain for edrums. Hopefully these will be a step forward. Most likely I will buy a td-27 module and hopefully my first upgrade will be the digital hihats. I was so sure this was going to be announced at NAMM this year, was extremely surprised and happy to get the email from sweet water about this new Roland gear.
Are the drums/sensors on the 700 series the same as the 500 series (sans the outer wrap)?
Bought my td-50 last week for 10k, I specifically asked if they where releasing anything else soon.
My own luck, but I am thinking about returning it and paying the difference so I get an extra tom etc, gonna cost a shit load anyway to upgrade and by the hit hats.
Thanks for the video, I’m following this closely, almost spat out my lunch when the Roland notification popped up today.
What were you eating?
@@chezchezchezchez a chicken fillet subway 👌
Hi Justin, Have you heard anything from Roland about the problems drummers are having with the td-27 module and the hi-hat sensors/function with the vh-10 hi-hats supplied with the vad 506 kit? They are aware of the problem and are supposedly working on a solution...that was several months ago.....still nothing.....Thanks!
I wonder how loud the 2 piece vh14 will be. I found the stick volume almost unbearable on the vh13 compared to the vh11
Great Video! How would you describe the differences between just for the Toms and Bassdrum relating to the Roland 706 Line Up to the Drum Tec Custom Pro? I would be interested really what you say about the shells, drum experience and trigger system Drum Tec put in their Rack and Floor Toms in comparison what Roland did to their Toms. Thanks a lot for a answer!
hard to compare if it isn’t even out yet lol
@@jklasfjkl why hard? I don`t no it either... I didn't see Drum Tec drums live on stages small or big until now...
@@martinstraub_ I'll reply in German, since I'm almost 100% sure that you're German. Da die neuen 706er noch nicht auf dem Markt sind, und von ihm auch nicht angespielt worden sind, kann er auch kein Vergleich ziehen zwischen den beiden.
@@jklasfjkl Vollkommen richtig und achso alles klar, ich denke aber von den Kesseln und Trigger unterscheiden sich beispielsweise die Toms der VAD 506 nicht von der VAD 706 Serie deshalb dachte ich er kann hier doch etwas dazu sagen, da er Drum Tec ja schon gespielt hat bzw auch einige Videos darüber gemacht hat.
@@martinstraub_ Ja, ich nehme auch an, dass die neuen ziemlich gleich sein werden, einfach mit neuen Finishes. Würde an deiner Stelle aber auf jeden Fall noch auf Reviews warten, wenn du auf dem Markt bist für ein neues Set.
Really hoping the digital hihat will be good on the td27. I literally just got it a few months ago and I hope I won't be disappointed I didn't get the 50 😐
I'm still hoping that they add a few tom sizes id like to see a vad 8" and 16" pad and then offer the 20" kick with the full size toms. It would also be cool to see them offer splash and China cymbal pads in a few sizes.
WHY ARE YOU HOPEFUL FOR THAT? YOU GOT THE 16 GRAND THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THOSE EXTRAS LOL, JESUS STOP BUYING THIS CRAP FROM THESE PEOPLE
Might have to upgrade to the digital hi hat and maybe swap out for the thinner crash cymbals. I run my TD-50 into Superior Drummer 3, so I don't think I'll be doing the TD-50X upgrade.
Same here. Although a whopping $900 I still think it's worth not being frustrated by the limited analogue VH-13 I've been using ever since. Even though I love SD3 for having the best sounds available. The 900 sounds in the TD-50X module are still not competing against SD3.
When are we going to see all digital pads?
I’m curious how the quality of the VAD pads stack up against the V-Drums
I love my TD-50kv! Extremely expensive but worth it. Especially with the new upgrades. I wonder how much the 50x upgrade will be. I won’t be surprised if it’s around $7-900😟
$200
I absolutely adored my TD50KV but I had to sell it. Videos don't convey the expressiveness and nuance it provides compared to other modules. It's incredible!
I have a usb cable that goes into the digital snare but there is also a quarter inch cable that says snare. The snare only has 1 input for the usb ( same with the ride) so have I missed something
The 1/4" cable for the snare, hi-hat, and ride give the option of using analogue pads. Can not be used at the same time if using digital so no second snare or ride.
Can you review the HXM XD-1080?
Omg I recently purchased a TD27kv hoping I could buy the digital hi hat later when it would come out. But 900 bucks man, after I bought the whole set already...
Guess I'll keep using it as a charging port 🤣
Yes it’s definitely not cheap, quality gear rarely is. That’s why you don’t see 20 year old Alesis gear still being sold like Roland td-10 kits. 900$ over 20 years is like 50$ a year that seems more reasonable. Wait till you can try them out in person at a GC or equivalent store and see if they are worth it. Maybe buy them through sweet water payment plan and break up the initial costs.
Ughhhh. About 400 bucks more than I was hoping/expecting.
@@Andrew-wb2zq why? The VH - 13 is $700
That is STEEP. I love Roland but Jeez...
@@chezchezchezchez I guess I didn't realize the 13's were so much.
lovely
Do you think the next flagship will be all digital? Is wireless possible?
I wonder if the 50X module is more powerful internally.
Funny roland is now adding the kd140 found in the TD30KV. I think the TD30 is still the best bang for the buck. Since I don't play anymore, I'll sell my mint td30kv with all dw9000 hardware for $5k, come pick it up in Texas :)
The hihat looks great and it works with the td27 too. Just not sure if it is worth the price. I probably would get a digital snare before getting this hihat. But still great
I'm glad they made it. They haven't made a substantial upgrade to the hi-hat since the VH12/VH13.
I just got the td-50k2 and maybe they messed up the order or something cause it didnt come with the digital hi-hat. It came with the old style, single hi-hat one. still sounds and plays great but im a little disappointed that I missed out on the new hi-hat
I'm curious as to how much sound the set gives off acoustically when not amplified. Too loud for an apartment?
With the new VAD kit can you put a double kick on it? It looks super small but it might just be the picture.
Every mid to high end Roland kit Ive seen supports double kicks on single pads.
Hey y’all I want your short and honest opinion. Do you think the price difference between the TD50kv and TD50kv2 is worth it? Like do the digital hi hats make it that much more worth it? Also mind you, I plan on using superior drummer 3 along with my kit
Great summary, thanks! Still no 16" or 18" floor tom so to me the VADs still come up short as far as real drum sizing, but they're closer with the 14" hihats! And I guess they'd need a 20" ride also. I'm surprised the module upgrade isn't more significant. Cool stuff all around, but I was hoping their next big announcement was going to be wireless. Bummer it's not.
Wireless technology is still too slow for accurate triggering without latency.
@@milesgibbons9287 that's why they have engineers, to make it happen!
@@DouglasLippi believe me, the whole industry is working on it. With V-Drums, the biggest priority is always the playing experience... nothing can compromise that.
@@milesgibbons9287 I agree. I just noticed they'd released some new wireless gear recently for other instruments and had hoped they'd finally solved the technical challenge. Hopefully someday before I die! Damn cables are the worst part of edrums for me.
@@DouglasLippi I have a cable tie addiction ha ha... they are great for a clean look (although they don't make setup faster). I think part of the challenge with V-Drums is that each pad needs it's own transmitter, and there needs to be a different wireless "channel" in the brain... also, the pads just send data that needs to be converted into audio by the module. That's a ton of processing power... far more than a single input guitar transmitter that's just directly sending audio would need, for example. I'm also looking forward to cable-less times!
I’d love to know what could be the best e-drums from just a pure feeling point of view, as a controller to Superior Drummer 3. I love the new digital hihat idea, etc... but since I only plan to use my e-drum kit at home, as a controller for SD3, I just don’t care of onboard sounds and features. I just want a kit that offer a nice feel. I unfortunately don’t have the chance to go in a store to try them, so I’d love a video that focus just on that aspect. Obviously I’m also looking at the most affordable solution, I’ve seen the Alexis Strike Pro SE, but I have no idea how the feel is in comparison to Roland.
But you are still paying a lot for the module if you buy the Alesis Strike Pro SE kit. It's a big part of the cost of the kit. Would be nice to be able to buy a high quality kit with just an interface for a laptop
@@bmrbca3658 of course, I would prefer to pay for a cheap module that can convert trigger to midi, than having to buy a new audio interface with enough inputs to plug trigger and then have to mess with some software for the midi conversion, etc... (I’m not even sure how it works, my first module was the Roland PM16... long long time ago). Please note that I mentioned the Alesis because it seems affordable, but I could also mention other kit, I just don’t know which one would be the best triggers and best feels. Not sure how the new digital hihat is sending info to SD3 for new sensors. That’s why I’d love a video about it, all about having the best kit to trigger SD3, regardless the onboard sounds.
I'm in the same boat. I really don't care for the drum brain because I'm just gonna use the kit to control SD3. Wondering if you ever found an answer to your question.
yeeeeees! digi hihat!
Is it finally time to upgrade from TD-30KV with all the aux pads and cymbals? I'll sell the basic setup and add the AUX pads to this. Is it worth it? I still wish the sounds were from Superior Drummer 3 libraries. These new Hi-Hats might be the final push. I'll wait for the reviews come in to see if it's finally worth the update. The Regular TD-50 did not seem like it was that much better if at all that TD-30.
I wish the KV2 came with the smaller Bass Drum. I'm limited on space. If I had more room I'd set up my acoustic set. Seems like it should be an option to have a smaller BD.
they didn’t add bluetooth (for your phone) on the td 50x?
It seems like the TD50K2 is a great deal in comparison to other Roland sets. its not much more money that the VAD 506. and it has the new 50 X module. and digital hi hat. but I wish it had at least a 12 inch floor tome and not a ten. but I also like the Yamaha DTX 10 set with the wood finish.its a nice looking and sounding kit, it seems to have some really nice sounds right out of the box. how do you think it compares with the TD50K2 ? and don't you think the 50K2 is a better buy than the VAD 506 for the money ?
You should do a review on the Millenium MPS 850 People say that it’s the most and best for the least
Second this. But probably hard to get a set in North America
Hellou , great video ( Today about Dreams :)))))))))))))
Great
No bell sensor still?
Can you review the Donner DED-200? It looks like a TD-25 but sells for $400. I’m wondering if it’s a bargain or junk.
It's bunk...
Demonic Sweaters channel just reviewed it...
These are USD prices right? So the TD-50KV2 will be almost $10,000 Canadian. Similar to what the TD-30KV cost 5 years ago
Smooth edit 8:03
The question I always have about these new roland kits ... Is the digital snare, ride and now hi hat worth it? I mean worth it at that price? I've seen comparison videos and still can't tell. Also, are these under patent or can we expect an Alesis or whatever other company to put out a digital snare etc.
They don't need to make them "worth", this things are like boutique items, for those who need to spend on the highest level just because they can.
Timestamps in the description would be useful 🤔
Where can I buy one of your T-shirts?
The one I'm wearing in the video isn't actually one of mine. It's a Electronic drum store called Edrum Center. They offer them on their website
Do you know if the VAD706 provides a better feel than the VAD506? The only difference I see is the skin colors.
How’s it been man? Any fun new toys in the jam room?🤘🤘🤘
Yeah still working on a review of a new drumset. Video should be out soon!
@@65Drums awesome brother! Love your videos
Back in my day, I paid $500 for my first decent complete acoustic drum set. Now, that won't even cover half of the cost of a digital hi-hat? The prices on drums, both acoustic and electric, seem to be getting out of reach for us average players. Add all of the COVID factors like loss of everything, and I may never be able to by another drum set again. Sad times.
This is an apples to orange comparison. This hi hat is the top of the line hi hat, you can also buy a cheaper one. Or do you complain about car prices because some Ferrari costs 300K?
@@jklasfjkl I get what you are saying hallo. Yes, of course some things are very expensive. I was just making an observation that drum pricing has jumped up overall.
The question I'm finding it really difficult to get an answer to, is, is there any difference other than aesthetic form factor between the flagship TD-50KV2 and the flagship V-Drums Acoustic Design, the VAD706? Or is it just that it's designed to look like an acoustic kit? Is there any actual 'technical' (sound) difference(s)? Anyone know? 🤷🏻♂️
Why no answer to this? I have the same question...
I went to a conversion kit from a td20. The Rolands are nice but cant match the feel of the full size shells. Especially the large bass drum. And it actually takes up less floor space. In other words I would take the vad706 over the td50 if money was no object.
No upgrades for the TD-17. :-(
Ok so if the digital hi hat doesn't even have a bell sensor I feel absolutely no reason to upgrade from my current vh13
TD 27 will also be upgraded?
Just firmware to support the VH14D
Nope.
What else can they do!
why do they have shells if they are electronic? what am i missing
Digital hi-hats! 👏 Wait - $900 😮!!
Of course...
It’s Roland😂
Well, unless the prices between the US and Germany are very different, there seems to be a mistake with the price. On the Drum-Tec page you can find the Hi-Hat for 699€. And since the VAD706 is at 7799€ (7999$) I kind of doubt, that the Hi-Hat will be that expensive.
@@Wollestar Well actually that sounds about right. 699€ to USD comes out to be around $850 on our end. And 7799€ comes out to around $9,300USD.
So unfortunately yeah, they are that damn expensive😂
Gfoh. 900. Insane
@@ThePaulmirto exactly my reaction when pricing out literally anything made by Roland😂
all deez TD's im surprised youtube hasnt deleted the video yet.
I'm not sure we actually know 100% for sure that a TD50 with the upgrade is identical in functionality to a TD50X. Do we? I am hearing there is something going on inside the TD50X that is different.
So, will they discontinue TD50 ?
Yes I think so