Next-Level Drum Mic Recording Setup with Jacquire King & Robot Monster
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2022
- Learn the tone-shaping mic techniques that Grammy-winning producer Jacquire King (Tom Waits, Kings of Leon) used when recording @robotmonstermusic's new single "Out" at UA headquarters in Santa Cruz, CA.
Credits:
Performed By - @Robot Monster
Written By - William Brennan, Logan Sidle
Produced By - Jacquire King
Assisted by - Dawson March
Mixed by - Jacquire King
Mastered by - Pete Lyman
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For those of you who don’t have a sub kick, you can send your kick in channel to side chain a gate that’s being fed by a tone generator set at 50 - 60hz. Every time the kick hits it opens the gate and lets the sub tone through. You can play with hold and release to set your tail length. If you add distortion you can get into 808 territory.👍🏼 Jacquire is my favorite mix engineer along with Tom The Lord.
agree.. there are many ways of emulating a subkick.. and as a drurmmer and engineer I have stopped using subkick mics as I get way better results from using a few plugins on a BD in or BD front mic. Basically any LDC condenser will be super fine to make a subkick sound. In REAPER (the one and only) there is a 50Hz kicker plugin (you can choose any frequency though!.. I mostly end up around 36-38 Hz) which makes everything easy. Then add a little compression and maybe a transient designer to control the ring/tone and a Analog Obsession RARE (pultec) to firm up the low end around 30 Hz with the pultec trick .. voila.. perfect subkick.
(the octave down and the ping pong ball techniques work well too!)
The 3 most important things in this recording before all the mic and processing techniques: A great drummer, a great sounding kit and a great sounding room. In that order.
Weckl has made some great sounding recordings in not so great sounding rooms. Just sayin
and not to be a contrarian, sure a good kit helps but you can get away with a cheap kit depending on what you're looking for. maybe a great sounding kit (for your creative expression) would be a better explanation.
@@TheSpelderwinde you can get away with a properly tuned kit, no matter how cheap or expensive if you have a great drummer. But cheap cymbals can destroy your mix unfortunately.
Also great cymbals and mics make a big difference for the high end.
@@jaegervand2112 Great point! Funny that you mentioned Weckl. Not to sound like his lawyer - But speaking to a friend yesterday, in regards of some microphones recommendations that were made to him which prices were through the roof. I said to him - Dave Weckl has one of the BEST drum sounds in the world and uses microphones that cost three times less of the price than what you’ve been recommended and puts his drums to sing clearly.
Which in return, his personal studio back in Los Angeles was not as fancy as the one here, and he’s achieved more with less. (Sorry is I went on a tangent) but, folks - training your ears is key!
Very early in my career (70s), I took full advantage of my own band’s captive ‘patience’ and with hours and hours of experimentation, found the exact same ‘overhead’ positions. Uncannily the same. I was using U87s at first but eventually realized I preferred a smaller capsule. I use that config to this day.
This is so over my head. Incredible what goes behind this stuff. Thanks.
I’ve always struggled with the three mic technique. Really looking forward to trying this out. Thx!
Jacquire is great!! thanks so much
Love the use of the Trident EQ post 1176 LN 🤙 Such a flexible EQ to sculpt the (slightly) tamed transients; because of its looser curves this EQ really lets you shape how the drums (and anything else thrown at it) will be living, sonically, for the track/ project. But of course, it’s still all in the proper practice of microphone technique 🤘
Wow! Thanks alot! That's mastermind right there. That coloration stuff is really nice! That's also quite a hughe load of information. For all Nerds, theres all you need for drum recordings, it's now officially out there. What a blessing. I like this modern kind of a library (UA-cam) that could last over decades or centuries potentially with free access to expertise and knowledge at your fingertips. What a way to learn nowadays. Isn't it wonderful to be a musician? Life is good. Thanks for contributing to this! : )
Love it. that sub mic technique is spot on.
Love this, nice work Jacquire and UA. I gotta get one of those sphere mics!
It's super slick. I have a pair on a piano right now and it's pretty crazy what you can do in post.
I’ll sell you a brand new one that I just got in the mail as part of the 8X promo! Let me know.
More like this please!
That's the most interesting mic setup I've ever seen. Is there a part 2 where he mixes this? I'd pay for it.
I like the creativity, it's refreshing idea. Thank you, it helps me a lot for my video recording.
This is GOLD!
Killer drum sound! Nice
This super helpful, thanks yall!
killer drum part.
Interesting mic setup overall. Is there a part 2 to this where you take all the mics and build it in the mix? Drums for me became my albatross. I listen to early recordings I did when young and ignorant with super limited gear sounded so good compared to as I learned more techniques and acquired better gear. Drove me nuts. Now that I'm old and taken a long break I want to come back in dumb again.
J.K - such a legend 🙌
Awesome presentation. It really got me thinking of ways to get a more dynamic sound.
More! More!! MORE!!!
That harmonica mic sounded great
amazing video !!!
Great stuff.
So many weird know it all’s in the comments. This is Jacquire King man. Put some respect on this mans name.
My guy said “simplicity” with this setup but the more I listened the less simple it got.😂
Interesting use of the Sphere L22s!
The overhead miking was inspiration
Learned a lot from this. Thx for the vid!
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Some great info there!
I'm surprised to hear so many chopped breaths and lack of cross fades in this video though. Aren't UA meant to be a company of and for Audio Professionals?
14:30 is really worth sticking around for. Production 201.
Right!
Oh snap it’s Robot Monster
Jacquire the man
Dude recorded Mule Variations AND Good News for People Who Love Bad News? I’m sold. Time to go fuck around with some drum mics.
great vid! Quality setup and results! Perhaps redefining the term "acoustic shadow" as a synonym for baffle. One of my texts refers to "acoustic shadow" as the time/space/phase relationship from a surface reflection back to the sound source. The acoustic shadow are the waveforms twice the distance/time and reverse phase of the distance from the sound source to the initial reflective surface.
I love this - im attrmpting to s similar mic set up - for a dynamic mix in song - love this video 🎉🎉🎉🎉let you know howxwe do. Simple with some expansion later with room and other mics❤Wonderful thank you
would like to see/hear those mics going through that Tree Audio...
RIP Geof Emerick. His book Here, There and Everywhere is great.
Smiling
To me Jacquire is the "modern" Glyn Johns. Thanks for sharing
Why? Because he uses Glyn Johns drum miking technique?
@@p0llenp0ny no, because he is open minded and tries different techniques. He is also very kind and polite, so...
👊
How about we just leave it as he is "jacquire"?! Peoplemare not copies of other people...
And there is no best.. same logic.
@@morbidmanmusic it’s an analogy that worked in succinctly getting what they were trying to say across “this person is an innovator with valuable knowledge”. They weren’t trying to compare or say one is better.
Can you do a video on mastering for vinyl?
I love my apollo 8p’s! I love being able to record through plugins and printing to “tape”! The UA stuff was a game changer for me!
🤘🏻
I’m interested on the room sound treatment. Any input on where to get similar, or where these were bought from?
@universal audio Any particular reason why you used the two separate api plugins rather than the api channel strip? Also, it would be nice to see the process of you actually blending all the mics for the mix.
It is to avoid any unnecessary processing on the record path. We just needed the preamp and the EQ so that’s what we recorded through.
@@Daman07x Yes sir
Love this. No bottom snare? Or just depends on the project?
Not a fan of bottom snare
Jaquire, let me know when you are looking for an apprentice!✊🏾
wow
So great 👏🏼 Thanks for the info. I want more haha
I imagine that cutting heavily the high freq. from some mics and using two different room mics causes a lot of phase/allignment issues. How do you deal with that? You do time align? Also: when you say you use plugis on the way in, are you printing tracks passing through the API plugin as if it were a real preamp ?
Less phase issues by eliminating frequencies and never time aline drum tracks to each other.. sounds wrong to me. API desk emulation is on playback but yes committed the record path plugs on the way in
Thanks! …speaking of subkicks, I discovered something that is new to me and wondering if anyone else has tried? : pumping a subkick mic on a 24” kick drum into a PA subwoofer in the room. For me, the kick bottom bleeding into my phones is the best kick drum sound ever! On playback, not so present on any one mic but with out it the sauce is gone.
Have done similar things for years
Flood did something similar when recording Jimmy Chamberlain’s drums for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Never heard of anyone else trying this, but now that someone out in the real world has tried it and gotten good results I’m definitely gonna try this next time around!
Where would the mic placement be with 2 floor tom’s? I’m thinking between the tom’s to pick up both evenly
"I like to keep it simple so I'm dropping an harmonica mic on the ground, a subkick but it will be a sub-butt today and a couple digital processing modeled microphones pointing at the bass drum shell and everywhere else with the other... Oh! you'll notice that I don't even use toms microphones so as I said, simplicity! (Just joking btw xD Great job!)
Great !! What polar patern on the overheads mics ?
Cardioid
Cymbals sound great in the balance. Do you always mute them with tape?
Only when it feels necessary
How would some WA 87 R2s do in this overhead setup?
I’m looking at the Sd-1 for just another dynamic microphone to have. Does it really sound as good as the original Sm7 shure microphone? Looking for a different flavor on the snare
We think it sounds better of course. 😃
Hope your getting out to Pasatiempo! Any BURL plugins in the works?
🤙🤷♂️
Unlikely: BURL was started by two guys who left UA… friends of mine.
Would be great to know the size of the room Jacquire I’ve heard it said Glynn johns method is not suited to small rooms but I’m using in a 4m x 5m live room
For me this kind of approach works in all decent sounding spaces
@@jacquireking1154 thanks for the heads up that’s all the endorsement I need cheers 👍
I used Glynn Johns many times with my drums, I have pretty small room. It sounds way better then regular stereo spaced pair in most cases
@@kajetanpilarski3866 exactly my experience more body fuller sounding - just that a well known producer commented about GJ not working in small rooms when my mate assisted on tracking the Cures drummer 😂
Hmmm . . a 16-minute vid about pro techniques for drum mic recording and the snare sounds like a $49.95 snare from JCPenney and the kit as a whole sounds like it was recorded with one $39 room mic from Radio Shack. W . . . T . . . F ????
Well I don't have the green mic so low fi.with some heavy roll off and some filtering might get close smiling
Are those 414’s in the standard cardioid setting, or a wider or narrower setting? My XLII’s have 6 different combinations from Omni on down….thanks!
Cardioid and narrower
@@jacquireking1154 Thanks for the quick response!
@@bcdrummer1962 👊
Can't please everyone but hope it gets some thoughts and inspiration going
You’re a legend brother. I would rather listen to your mixes than any of those turds that aren’t pleased.🤘🏼
@@randomschittz9461 👊
Is that a solomon for the subs?
"I prefer simplicity, especially with drums, because the more mics, the more complex it gets". And then he does a (3 mic) Glyn Johns... with NINE mics!
Ha - exactly!
Awesome
“I’m also not miking the hihat..”
Cut to the drummer sloshing the crap out of the hihat loud as possible
Student: “Do you measure the distance of the microphones?”
Glyn Johns: “No. It’s bullshit.”
@JAQCUIRE KING can you speak to phasing with 9 drum mics….@universal audio…AMAZING VIDEO thank you
The Glyn Johns technique with the mics measured our carefully gives you a very strong foundation. Then you flip the polarity of the other mics back and forth to make sure they’re all working together properly, experiment with placement if one doesn’t seem to be sitting well, and then balance the levels in the way that feels the best to you. You’ll hear phase relationships differently depending on which mics you have featured more, and… if something really doesn’t work, hit that mute button!
Thank you
Didn’t realize their guitarist owned a shirt.
> I like less mics
> kit mic, harmonica mic, sub behind, distant mono room
interesting setup anyway)
I don't use many mics on drums. You know, just 32 of them.
Stereo mic is two mic in one. so it's ten mic overall ))
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Not a piece of actual analogue gear in sight. Rock on! 🤘🏻
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Yes Fairchild is so dirty lol
Mic on the kick?
D112 I think is what we used
Nice rosey cheek beard
Just a few mics lol…..
Oh shit he we go again with that 8th grade riff.
Almost every successful rock song from the last 30 years
This sounded complicated and expensive, SEE YA
Man all that so that the snare could sound like it’s covered in towels.
cymbals are taped sounds extreme dry
Wut?
Pt 2, find a bass player.
I don't like the sound. It's to diffuse for my taste. Especially sn sounds really weird kinda washy and phasey with too much ambience to it. I'm missing some punch because i think the drummer is really accurate and good hitting...
I wish this mike setup was being demonstrated on a kit with a more open sound. Coated heads covered in tape with no resonance doesn’t really give the best impression of the OHs in particular. All sounds really choked. Shame!
I mean, this is the sound he was going for and he nailed it. But if he was going for what you had in mind, it'd be really cool, too.
@@BeauStephenson yup, nailed his sound. But doesn’t really demonstrate the benefits of that mic config. On a totally dead kit you can get away with a lot.
@@TheProducerTutor Sometimes the kit needs to be a bit dead so it can rock 🤘
@@ledhed927 I don’t disagree with that at all. What I’m saying is a dead kit doesn’t allow this mic configuration to shine.
Go listen to The Slider..T-Rex.
Maybe Tony Visconti got it wrong as well?
I checked your channel,you should stick to drum triggers
and basic fockery you excel at.
Sorry thats to much HocusPocus….
Sort Of, Kind Of? the verbiage is not assuring
All I can say is that I can't wait for the trash crash/man bun phase to go away already. Every drum video I watch is a big fat twat knot playing $379 K's that sound like stock Pearl cymbals, thinking he's doing something "a little bit different".
I don't like how these drums sound. I feel like you don't know how to tune them. No hate, just my opinion. And I'm not questioning your sound engineering skills; it's just about the tuning.
Used to be a fan of this guy until he started posting conspiracy bullshit online.
I hate today’s music. They dont even play drums.
Not a fan of his drum sound, or audience perspective. Sorry
“I prefer a simpler setup”
“So anyway my ninth mic…”