I chose the sprints based on this review solely for the mechanical adjustments, and I’m really glad I did. I mostly drive street cars with h-pattern shifters, looking for max immersion, and I was able to dial-in the feeling to really really good. I literally adjusted every single setting on nearly every pedal, over the course of 2-weeks, and got it to feel exactly how I want. I also used 2 different curves in the smart control software, and tweaked that to hell. Couldn’t be happier
Hey man, sorry to come back 6 month later, i have this problem with my sprints, i love prototypes/open wheels and old h-patterns cars. Is it easy to adjust the brake beetween a hard short travel position and a progressive long throw brake ? That's the only thing i'm searching for right now.
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Have Sprints myself after taking to a fellow sim racing, and watching your review on this awhile back, never regretted the purchase and have served me well
Yep. We covered this in our review of the sprints. I struggled to think of a way to make it easier without increasing the footprint or decreasing rigidity though.
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Great review guys. Fair review. We've been Heusi fans ourselves for the adjustability as mentioned.
When you get to this level of pedal sets then having both the brake and the throttle immovably stuck to a permanent baseplate is a big big no - so the Asetek pedals are out as a far as I'm concerned. Also when considering the aesthetics the Sprints are absolutely beautiful in their utilitarian design - a pure engineering form follows function approach, whereas the Asetek look like they had a fashion product designer running around the place annoying the hell out of the engineers who were just trying to engineer a decent pedal set. I don't really like the Asetek pedals, but you could tell that already, couldn't you?
I have the invicta set, the distance is actually realistic and the sideways adjustability of the pedal plates is sufficient for me. about the aesthetics...I'm a engineer with 35 years experience. And when you would run the most advanced AI on a follow function approach pedal design, I'm pretty sure it will look more like the Asetek design than the Heusinkveld one to be honest. So not really sure what you mean, unless it's just personal preference.
Hello and congratulations as always for your very clear videos. I also had the chance to review the Invicta model, I also liked them a lot as a build, but I find they are great on a very narrow type of feel, as you said too. My idea is that what can be reproduced in the Asetek pedalboards can be reproduced with any pedalboard using hard elastomers, the difference is that on the other models you can do even more ....
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@boostedmedia My forte pedals broke within a month and the customer care team is having me do all kinds of videos to prove it. It wasn’t enough for them that it broke in the middle of a race.
Very informative guys. I have the Asetek Forte pedals on order, the thing that stuck out to me when looking for a set of pedals was the quality of the product overall. The Asetek pedals look head and shoulders more polished as a product than most other sets. The only issues I could see with this set, is that you already mentioned such as the fixed position (width) and the end stop being metal on metal.
Just ordered my Forte pedals, after a year of use (based on the comment), how do you like them? any tips on what elasmoer to use or how to set up the orange adjusters?
Purchasing ASETEK direct with or without a discount, is misleading because they charge a small fortune for shipping/handling vs if you purchase through one of your local distributors so buyer beware. I learned this the hard way purchasing other high end items direct, paying huge shipping costs plus import duties, which not all distributors pass along, so something to think about as this can change the price by a huge amount.
I also like the pedals further apart and the quietness and smooth operation of the Heusinkvelds, however there is one point you forgot to mention in Heusinkveld’s favor. Their legendary customer service. I have emailed them before and had a part in hand, shipped from the Netherlands to the USA faster than I can even get an email reply from Fanatec. (That is not hyperbole either) I don’t know what Asetek is going to be like but they have to really be on the ball to beat Heusinkveld in this area.
We can’t really comment on customer support as we aren’t a normal customer. Always great to hear from people sharing their real world experiences (good and bad) in the comments though.
@@boostedmedia Maybe you should test that. Gamers Nexus does that when he tests pre built PCs. He buys them under a fake name and tests the customer support like that.
We don’t have the resources to buy everything we review, and if we tested one company but not others it would be considered biased and unfair. Hopefully one day we will have the resources to just buy everything we review.
Can confirm the customer service is insanely good. I had a hydraulic damper fail 2 years out warranty on my HE ultimates brake pedal. I sent them an email asking how much it would cost to replace and the email back was "Thank you for contacting support. We would like to send you a replacement part. Is this your current shipping address?". After confirming they created a custom order free of charge and shipped the damper on the same day so I will always recommend them for as long I'm a sim racer.
Drives me crazy that the Asetek base plate has raised lettering instead of being smooth. Can't help but think us sock wearers weren't considered in the design.
Have you tried the Asetek pedals and found it to be an issue or are you assuming based on how it looks? Neither Tom or I have found it to be an issue. Our heels sit firther towards the pedals than the lettering as I'd imagine will be the case for most people.
Upgraded from Fanatec clubsport v3's to HE Sprints and I can't tell you how much better they feel AND because of the programmability, they are actually a million times easier to get trail braking to work for you rather than you working for the pedals.
Looks like the Asetek pedals are fine for a 1st attempt. OTOH, the Sprint pedals really show their refinements from years of experience and evolution. The Heusinkfeld app/driver is also an excellent part of their great tune-ability. I've had my Sprint pedalset for >4years, and completely love them. I do wish I could spare the cash forthe FFB pedals, but I can be happy with the Sprint until I can do the FFB upgrade. Well done objective review, Boosted!
Considering both of these pedal sets. Thanks for the video. I recall you saying in the last track racer rig review that you also have a NLR rig ready to review as well? Looking forward to that review also.
So what I think is interesting about the Asetek Invicta and Forte pedals is that you're SUPPOSED to push it all the way until it stops, and then use pressure to modulate the brakes. But, they put in these inserts that are so large that it's really difficult to get the pedal to where it actually stops on the ring. They really should have put in half sized rubber inserts, that part was supposed to only simulate pressing the pedal and taking up the distance before the brake pads hit the brake discs, aka, there shouldn't actually be any braking happening in that distance. Then once the pedal is locked on the ring, you only use pressure to modulate braking. In my case, I have the Invicta pedals on a Wheel Stand DD (couldn't find a way to make a full rig work), so I use them like you are here where I never lock out the brake pedal against the stopper ring. I can only do about 25kg using the wheel tray on my seat, so it works well and the pedal is still really stiff and barely moves. I also put a 15% dead zone in my brake pedal to simulate that initual take up before the braking actually starts. I've actually removed the rubber insert completely and used it that way too (along with the 15% deadzone in calibration to remove that distance before it hits the metal stopper), it seems to me that would be the most natural way to do it since there shouldn't be much pressure before the pad hits the brake disc in real life, but it felt a little odd. I think having a half sized low pressure rubber insert would be the way to go for what they're trying to achieve. All of this to say, the Asetek pedals are actually more realistic than the HV pedals due to the fact that no other load cell pedal set actually has a pressure sensor to simulate a real manual brake pedal (and in my opinion a better by on quality and feel), but the realism is taking a back seat because of their own design flaw.
I think that’s a bit of a misconception. That’s the case with the Invicta pedals as you continue to compress the fluid even when the pedal hits the hard stop and thus the increase in pressure continues to be measured. With the Forte pedals, once you hit the limit of travel, the load cell does not measure any further pressure. We discussed this at length in our first look at the Forte prototype, the only difference being you now have the added travel provided by the rubber ring as opposed to the hard Teflon ring on the prototypes. So even though they feel quite similar st the pressure levels Tom and I drive with, they work fundamentally differently.
@@boostedmedia I must've forgotten from your review on the Forte pedals, from memory I thought you had mentioned a pressure sensor in the Forte pedals too. After using the Invicta pedals, I definitely really like that really stiff feeling though that you all show with the Forte set.
Hey mate, love the channel and the great vids! I have been watching sim racing youtube vids for years but finally got some newbie sim gear (wife got me the T300 for my 48th bday) and I have a request for a vid. The market of sim gear has blown up in the past couple years with so many new names to the genre that it is becoming impossible to figure out what to get. How about a vid on what you would buy given different price points? Excluding the computer, what would you get for $2000, $3000, $5000, $10,000? Would you sacrifice a higher NM base for adding a buttkicker? Do you choose a better pedal set over triple monitors? Is Oculus a must have over a better frame? Would be really cool to hear your thoughts considering most people can't try the hardware first. Hope you will consider it and thanks for the great content! Cheers
Just made set my sprints to stiffest setting (older ones have a smaller bushing) i must say it certainly makes the the car react faster to pressure. Will stick with it
If I was to buy one out of the 2 I would buy the sprints because I can have a pretty damn hard break when I’m playing ACC I-racing etc and a softer one when I’m playing forza and want a relaxed experience.
Hey Will, check out Dan Suzuki's review of these pedals only a few hours ago. Interesting discovery that may have been missed by a fair few reviewers regarding implementation of the load cell. To be fair, this wouldn't be news to you looking at your original review a few months ago but it was presented in a way that shone some light on pedal force measurement vs pedal position. It definitely shifts my preference to Heusinkveld pedals hands down and widens the gap between these Forte pedals and the Invicta pedals in my opinion. Probably worth the upgrade. Awesome content as always. Love your work. Thanks guys.
Watched it and no, it’s not news to us at all. We explained the same thing in our first look video. The small spring is what pushes on the load cell which is why when you max out the bump stop you get no further deflection of the load cell. I’d you watch from the 17min mark in our first look video I cover it in detail and said “it’s fundamentally measuring deflection rather than pressure”.
@@boostedmedia yeah, saw that section. Hence the "wouldn't be news to you". I think Dan's angle of presentation just highlights its shortcomings in a way that I (and it appears other commenters also) hadn't considered but it was definitely explored by you in detail, in your review. I will never look a load cell implementation the same again when considering "pedal force" measurement. Thanks for your contribution to the community 👍.
Yep. Ultimately every load cell brake I’ve ever looked at is measuring deflection of the load cell as a function of force applied to the pedal, not “pressure”.
I had to put four spacers and the one 19mm hard elastometer to get my Sprint brake as stiff as I wanted, though I don't think I'm as heavy footed on my braking as you. I find you can be much more progressive with a stiff brake pedal.
Agree about reaching LC limit or close to on the Sprints. Really only potential negative to them. - looks at price to upgrade to ultimates being in Canada 😵💫
Hi Will, nice Video and great review as always, am hoping that at some stage you would do the same thing but on a completely new subject, comparing between different GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD for triple screen performance from simracing perspective only, and how sims perform with different brands top GPUs, and if any edge in VR performance, especially with the new RTX 4000 series coming later this year. Always appreciate your good work, your channel has enriched the simracing community a lot and it has been an inspiration for me and many others.
Good video, build quality always good in sim racing. The price reflects that. Used sprints for years and fanatec elites on console. Miles apart as was the price. What I love about sim racing, can cost you as much or as little as you wish. Only thing that separates a cheap set from an expensive one is your enjoyment. I'm easy, got cheap wheels and some that cost me £1k each. I wouldn't spend £1k ever again. Wheel loverly but now sim racing is so popular now with brands. I'd be more inclined to get a moza f1 wheel with dual clutch, led lights, a little plastic but only £279 new. Fanatec have been replaced as only cheapish sim racing company. Nice to see my simucube still a boss lol.
The Asetek pedals have a failed design for 2 reasons: 1. As @Rob Gibson mentioned here: Printed raised lettering instead of being smooth, which makes it unusable for me as a socks-racer. Why is this not mentioned in the review? (or did I miss it?) These pedals are unusable for all socks drivers. 2. As @Peter Harrison mentioned here: " I prefer the designs/look of the Porte pedals but they are just too close together. ". Why on earth are the positions of the pedal's not adjustable? I drive with 2 foots, left for breaking an right for throttle, I prefer them pretty far apart from each other and I don't use a clutch. So for those reasons the Asetek pedal's are not an option for, I see them as a failed product design. Heusinkveld pedals (which I don't have btw) are designed with more thought and many (even most) other brands don't have these design flaws.
I know Asetek has reduced the clutch cost, but they *REALLY* need to consider offering a more competitively priced clutch bundle. As someone who almost exclusively drives manual cars (and for whom a clutch is mandatory) this feels like a deliberate price gouge.
I think it comes down the the chosen design. Most clutch pedals don’t need to include a base plate, but because the base plate is part of the pedal with these, it makes it fundamentally more expensive to produce. Of course I don’t know what’s their margins are though, or if the margin on the clutch is disproportionate to the throttle/brake.
@@boostedmedia, good point. But, if they went to the trouble to separate the clutch, why not offer a greater degree of pedal adjustability and separate all three pedals? (which would come in handy for mounting exclusively the throttle or brake inverted) Idk. It just seems like a bit of an oversight from Asetek.
Just upgraded from the Sprints to the Invicta. I was thinking about the Forte as well, but with the Invicta I am at least a little bit more fllexible with the pedal positions. I am very happy with the Invicta so far.
I n my search for Sprints i ended up finding a set of ultimates 3 pedals set with baseplate for 700 which is a super steal if you asked me.. fantastic upgrades from my clubsport v2s.. but if not for this deal i wouls have probably ended up with the sprints. They look like a fantasric piece of kit. Honestly both look fantastic. I think the Aseteks look better aesthetically though
I've got some, and myself personally think they're awesome. I test tried them against a pair of HE's and chose them at RaceKraft in Perth. I would love to see what Will would think of them but I know he's not reviewing Simagic gear due to a bad experience or something like that he told me once.
Are you going to be taking a look at the Venym pedals? I'm interested to hear a comparison from you guys between the Forte's and invicta pedals and the Venym pedals
@@boostedmedia Good to hear! Looking to upgrade my T-LCM pedals in a few months. Always watching these videos for the educational value to make a good buying decision when I'm going to be buying, but also largely for the fun factor :)
Nice vid 👍 Probably going for forte pedal set. Do you recommend next level racing wheel stand 2.0 for the forte pedal set? I’m afraid it’s not going to be that stiff to hold the forte pedals
you have tried Asetek Forte and Moza CPR. I am thinking about those two options. I think that Moza CPR allows for greater configuration physically between pedals, and configuration with springs. Which of the two do you recommend? Which one is more professional and better quality? Moza CPR uses 5mm metal and I think Asetek is 3mm. Please, I need to know your opinion Excuse my English, I'm Spanish.
I have a question for you guys if you wouldn't mind answering. I currently have the thrustmaster t-lcm pedals. From the moment I installed them on my rig, I put the hardest Springs that they came with on them(the red springs). My question is: Is the asetek brake pedal as stiff, or stiffer than that? Because I feel like my brake pedal is pretty stiff.
Hi Will. Do you have any advice for someone with a g27 without money for anything better? I have suffered trauma in the last couple of weeks and today tried to have fun. I cant feel the road whatsoever. Guess I just gotta save up. Love your content
There’s always something new on the horizon. I think you’ve got to ask yourself if what’s available now will satisfy you. Only you can answer that for yourself.
Thanks for that, as you alluded to in the video it’s hoping you put your money into something that can grow with you, and it’s what they will offer in the future, like Asetek a whole ecosystem.
I want the sprints, but I like stiff pedals. I currently have v3s on the brake kit, they're on the stiffest setting + half (i'm using an additional stiff bushing cut in half instead of the inital soft foam). Can I reach a similar stiffness with the sprints? If not what would you recommend? I like the customization options on the Heusinkvelds mainly.
Those are both nice, but if you want them to look more and act more like a common road car/ truck then the Fanatec V3 Inverted is the only one with the longer clutch pedal. Ricmotech and other outlets sell some great inverted Real Gear hydraulic pedals that might be the best out there, but they are pricey. No one pedal set is perfect, they all have ups and downs.
Well it depends on the car. A Porsche 911 GT3 is totally different from a Mitsubishi Mirage for example. But if you’re looking for the most versatility across the biggest range of cars I’d say the Heusinkveld Sprint or Ultimate+ pedals would be the best option.
Hey Will great video here! After having watched this I've ordered a set of forte because I've maxed out my sprint pedals and I always reach maximum pressure even at 65kg... then I've watched Dan Suzuki review and I'm puzzled... does this mean that these pedals don't really measure the pressure on the pedal? Will, having used it and the Invicta for a while did you notice any performance issues? I've seen your video and you seem to trail brake fine with the Forte...
No issues with either. I’d happily take the fortes as my daily driver pedals if I had to send the invictas back. Would just as happily run HE Ultimates.
@@boostedmedia thanks for the reply, I’ll test the forte and see how they perform but looking at your video it seems that you had no issues at all, the sprint are great pedals but just too weak at this stage for me.
If I already have fanatec csl load cell pedals, would something like one of these be a worthwhile upgrade? Or is it more minor since I already have a load cell?
I prefer pedals without an sponge elastomer. Got the VRS pedals recently and the breaking feels really good. Best I've tried yet. Can really modulate precisely and looks good on my monkey seat rig. Sadly asetek has such a huge base plate and not way to set the pedals further apart.
We discussed Invicta VS Ultimate+ pretty extensively in our review of the invicta pedals. Pretty similar conclusions. I prefer the Invicta pedals personally but the Ultimates are more versatile.
question i wanna buy some pedals i have fanatec CSL Pedals LC and i was wondering what u recommend keep in mind i wanna play on ps5 as well so need the pedals to work there for gt7 thank u
@@boostedmedia ok ya i notice but i seen this for this pedals SRP® GT-R | GT SIMULATOR RACING PEDALS In-house designed electronic board with informative LEDs to keep you aware of the status of your pedals. # USB-C connectivity for maximum data rate (compatible with USB 2.0 and 3.0). # 65536 step resolution for precise control of brake, throttle and clutch. # PC compatible. # Compatible with PlayStation, Xbox, etc. (with Drivehub*) (*It is recommended to use only original PlayStation USB-C cabling for good connection stability). -
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I chose the sprints based on this review solely for the mechanical adjustments, and I’m really glad I did. I mostly drive street cars with h-pattern shifters, looking for max immersion, and I was able to dial-in the feeling to really really good. I literally adjusted every single setting on nearly every pedal, over the course of 2-weeks, and got it to feel exactly how I want. I also used 2 different curves in the smart control software, and tweaked that to hell. Couldn’t be happier
Excellent! Glad you made the right choice!!
Hey man, sorry to come back 6 month later, i have this problem with my sprints, i love prototypes/open wheels and old h-patterns cars. Is it easy to adjust the brake beetween a hard short travel position and a progressive long throw brake ? That's the only thing i'm searching for right now.
@@air_piepie2052 changing the elastomer stack and recalibrating on the software should only take a few minutes
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Have the Asetek Forte on pre-order. Each video gets me more excited to receive them. Will be upgrading from the Fanatec CSL Elite Load Cell Pedal set.
Huge upgrade. You won’t be disappointed
Do you feel help for oversteer ??
Have Sprints myself after taking to a fellow sim racing, and watching your review on this awhile back, never regretted the purchase and have served me well
They’re excellent pedals.
I hope the next Asetek product we see is their wheelbase. Can't wait for that future review.
I bought my sprints based on your reviews a long time ago. Have never regretted it for even a second. Thanks BM.
Love my sprints. But the base plate is tearable to work on. With the rolled edge you can't get tools under when on the rig. Great vid
Yep. We covered this in our review of the sprints. I struggled to think of a way to make it easier without increasing the footprint or decreasing rigidity though.
Great review guys. Fair review. We've been Heusi fans ourselves for the adjustability as mentioned.
The video we’ve all been waiting for!
Now we need a review of the VRS DFP pedals :D Really interested to see your take on it.
Coming ASAP.
I can tell you two are close. Very supportive of each other
When you get to this level of pedal sets then having both the brake and the throttle immovably stuck to a permanent baseplate is a big big no - so the Asetek pedals are out as a far as I'm concerned.
Also when considering the aesthetics the Sprints are absolutely beautiful in their utilitarian design - a pure engineering form follows function approach, whereas the Asetek look like they had a fashion product designer running around the place annoying the hell out of the engineers who were just trying to engineer a decent pedal set.
I don't really like the Asetek pedals, but you could tell that already, couldn't you?
Bingo, one main reason I went Simtrecs
I have the invicta set, the distance is actually realistic and the sideways adjustability of the pedal plates is sufficient for me.
about the aesthetics...I'm a engineer with 35 years experience.
And when you would run the most advanced AI on a follow function approach pedal design, I'm pretty sure it will look more like the Asetek design than the Heusinkveld one to be honest.
So not really sure what you mean, unless it's just personal preference.
Hello and congratulations as always for your very clear videos. I also had the chance to review the Invicta model, I also liked them a lot as a build, but I find they are great on a very narrow type of feel, as you said too. My idea is that what can be reproduced in the Asetek pedalboards can be reproduced with any pedalboard using hard elastomers, the difference is that on the other models you can do even more ....
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Thanks very much for the support :)
@boostedmedia My forte pedals broke within a month and the customer care team is having me do all kinds of videos to prove it. It wasn’t enough for them that it broke in the middle of a race.
Very informative guys.
I have the Asetek Forte pedals on order, the thing that stuck out to me when looking for a set of pedals was the quality of the product overall. The Asetek pedals look head and shoulders more polished as a product than most other sets.
The only issues I could see with this set, is that you already mentioned such as the fixed position (width) and the end stop being metal on metal.
You can buy a rubber protective cap for the screw for a couple bucks
Just ordered my Forte pedals, after a year of use (based on the comment), how do you like them? any tips on what elasmoer to use or how to set up the orange adjusters?
Purchasing ASETEK direct with or without a discount, is misleading because they charge a small fortune for shipping/handling vs if you purchase through one of your local distributors so buyer beware.
I learned this the hard way purchasing other high end items direct, paying huge shipping costs plus import duties, which not all distributors pass along, so something to think about as this can change the price by a huge amount.
I also like the pedals further apart and the quietness and smooth operation of the Heusinkvelds, however there is one point you forgot to mention in Heusinkveld’s favor. Their legendary customer service. I have emailed them before and had a part in hand, shipped from the Netherlands to the USA faster than I can even get an email reply from Fanatec. (That is not hyperbole either) I don’t know what Asetek is going to be like but they have to really be on the ball to beat Heusinkveld in this area.
We can’t really comment on customer support as we aren’t a normal customer. Always great to hear from people sharing their real world experiences (good and bad) in the comments though.
@@boostedmedia Maybe you should test that. Gamers Nexus does that when he tests pre built PCs. He buys them under a fake name and tests the customer support like that.
We don’t have the resources to buy everything we review, and if we tested one company but not others it would be considered biased and unfair.
Hopefully one day we will have the resources to just buy everything we review.
Can confirm the customer service is insanely good. I had a hydraulic damper fail 2 years out warranty on my HE ultimates brake pedal. I sent them an email asking how much it would cost to replace and the email back was "Thank you for contacting support. We would like to send you a replacement part. Is this your current shipping address?". After confirming they created a custom order free of charge and shipped the damper on the same day so I will always recommend them for as long I'm a sim racer.
Drives me crazy that the Asetek base plate has raised lettering instead of being smooth. Can't help but think us sock wearers weren't considered in the design.
Have you tried the Asetek pedals and found it to be an issue or are you assuming based on how it looks? Neither Tom or I have found it to be an issue. Our heels sit firther towards the pedals than the lettering as I'd imagine will be the case for most people.
Upgraded from Fanatec clubsport v3's to HE Sprints and I can't tell you how much better they feel AND because of the programmability, they are actually a million times easier to get trail braking to work for you rather than you working for the pedals.
Looks like the Asetek pedals are fine for a 1st attempt. OTOH, the Sprint pedals really show their refinements from years of experience and evolution. The Heusinkfeld app/driver is also an excellent part of their great tune-ability. I've had my Sprint pedalset for >4years, and completely love them. I do wish I could spare the cash forthe FFB pedals, but I can be happy with the Sprint until I can do the FFB upgrade.
Well done objective review, Boosted!
Considering both of these pedal sets. Thanks for the video. I recall you saying in the last track racer rig review that you also have a NLR rig ready to review as well? Looking forward to that review also.
F-GT Elite review has been up for a few months now. Working on the GT-Elite review currently.
Great vid boys, thanks for the thorough overview- we’re certainly getting spoilt for options in the pedals department- great news!!
I’m just waiting for the “Feeling everything I need to feel’ Boosted t-shirt!😆
🤣 🤔
So what I think is interesting about the Asetek Invicta and Forte pedals is that you're SUPPOSED to push it all the way until it stops, and then use pressure to modulate the brakes. But, they put in these inserts that are so large that it's really difficult to get the pedal to where it actually stops on the ring. They really should have put in half sized rubber inserts, that part was supposed to only simulate pressing the pedal and taking up the distance before the brake pads hit the brake discs, aka, there shouldn't actually be any braking happening in that distance. Then once the pedal is locked on the ring, you only use pressure to modulate braking.
In my case, I have the Invicta pedals on a Wheel Stand DD (couldn't find a way to make a full rig work), so I use them like you are here where I never lock out the brake pedal against the stopper ring. I can only do about 25kg using the wheel tray on my seat, so it works well and the pedal is still really stiff and barely moves. I also put a 15% dead zone in my brake pedal to simulate that initual take up before the braking actually starts.
I've actually removed the rubber insert completely and used it that way too (along with the 15% deadzone in calibration to remove that distance before it hits the metal stopper), it seems to me that would be the most natural way to do it since there shouldn't be much pressure before the pad hits the brake disc in real life, but it felt a little odd. I think having a half sized low pressure rubber insert would be the way to go for what they're trying to achieve.
All of this to say, the Asetek pedals are actually more realistic than the HV pedals due to the fact that no other load cell pedal set actually has a pressure sensor to simulate a real manual brake pedal (and in my opinion a better by on quality and feel), but the realism is taking a back seat because of their own design flaw.
I think that’s a bit of a misconception. That’s the case with the Invicta pedals as you continue to compress the fluid even when the pedal hits the hard stop and thus the increase in pressure continues to be measured.
With the Forte pedals, once you hit the limit of travel, the load cell does not measure any further pressure.
We discussed this at length in our first look at the Forte prototype, the only difference being you now have the added travel provided by the rubber ring as opposed to the hard Teflon ring on the prototypes.
So even though they feel quite similar st the pressure levels Tom and I drive with, they work fundamentally differently.
@@boostedmedia I must've forgotten from your review on the Forte pedals, from memory I thought you had mentioned a pressure sensor in the Forte pedals too.
After using the Invicta pedals, I definitely really like that really stiff feeling though that you all show with the Forte set.
Hey mate, love the channel and the great vids! I have been watching sim racing youtube vids for years but finally got some newbie sim gear (wife got me the T300 for my 48th bday) and I have a request for a vid. The market of sim gear has blown up in the past couple years with so many new names to the genre that it is becoming impossible to figure out what to get. How about a vid on what you would buy given different price points? Excluding the computer, what would you get for $2000, $3000, $5000, $10,000? Would you sacrifice a higher NM base for adding a buttkicker? Do you choose a better pedal set over triple monitors? Is Oculus a must have over a better frame? Would be really cool to hear your thoughts considering most people can't try the hardware first. Hope you will consider it and thanks for the great content! Cheers
Just made set my sprints to stiffest setting (older ones have a smaller bushing) i must say it certainly makes the the car react faster to pressure. Will stick with it
Let us know how you get on after a while. My guess is you’ll be faster and more consistent with the stiffer pedal. ;)
@@boostedmedia knocked off half a second in the Porsche at Zandvoort on ACC 😊
I can't speak to the Asetek's, but I truly love the Sprints. Zero complaints here.
I'd love to see a review on the Australian Simworx pedals.
I prefer the designs/look of the Porte pedals but they are just too close together.
If I was to buy one out of the 2 I would buy the sprints because I can have a pretty damn hard break when I’m playing ACC I-racing etc and a softer one when I’m playing forza and want a relaxed experience.
Would be interested in the new Moza Srp pedals. A review of it and maybe Moza's new wheel would be handy!
Hey Will, any plans for a VRS pedals review any time soon? Keep up the great work!
Hey Will, check out Dan Suzuki's review of these pedals only a few hours ago. Interesting discovery that may have been missed by a fair few reviewers regarding implementation of the load cell. To be fair, this wouldn't be news to you looking at your original review a few months ago but it was presented in a way that shone some light on pedal force measurement vs pedal position. It definitely shifts my preference to Heusinkveld pedals hands down and widens the gap between these Forte pedals and the Invicta pedals in my opinion. Probably worth the upgrade. Awesome content as always. Love your work. Thanks guys.
Watched it and no, it’s not news to us at all. We explained the same thing in our first look video. The small spring is what pushes on the load cell which is why when you max out the bump stop you get no further deflection of the load cell. I’d you watch from the 17min mark in our first look video I cover it in detail and said “it’s fundamentally measuring deflection rather than pressure”.
@@boostedmedia yeah, saw that section. Hence the "wouldn't be news to you". I think Dan's angle of presentation just highlights its shortcomings in a way that I (and it appears other commenters also) hadn't considered but it was definitely explored by you in detail, in your review. I will never look a load cell implementation the same again when considering "pedal force" measurement. Thanks for your contribution to the community 👍.
Yep. Ultimately every load cell brake I’ve ever looked at is measuring deflection of the load cell as a function of force applied to the pedal, not “pressure”.
@@black7rc720 Can you explain a little what happened in that revision? I've been looking for it but I can't find it, thanks
I had to put four spacers and the one 19mm hard elastometer to get my Sprint brake as stiff as I wanted, though I don't think I'm as heavy footed on my braking as you. I find you can be much more progressive with a stiff brake pedal.
Agree about reaching LC limit or close to on the Sprints. Really only potential negative to them. - looks at price to upgrade to ultimates being in Canada 😵💫
love my Forte pedal just recieved the Invicta clutch whoop whoop
Have you ever used the Simworx Pro GT V3.1 LC Pedal Set? I'm interested to see how they compare to the Heuskinveld Ultimate+ Pedals.
Hi Will, nice Video and great review as always, am hoping that at some stage you would do the same thing but on a completely new subject, comparing between different GPUs from NVIDIA and AMD for triple screen performance from simracing perspective only, and how sims perform with different brands top GPUs, and if any edge in VR performance, especially with the new RTX 4000 series coming later this year.
Always appreciate your good work, your channel has enriched the simracing community a lot and it has been an inspiration for me and many others.
We did an AMD vs Nvidia comparison a few months back :)
Good video, build quality always good in sim racing. The price reflects that. Used sprints for years and fanatec elites on console. Miles apart as was the price. What I love about sim racing, can cost you as much or as little as you wish. Only thing that separates a cheap set from an expensive one is your enjoyment. I'm easy, got cheap wheels and some that cost me £1k each. I wouldn't spend £1k ever again. Wheel loverly but now sim racing is so popular now with brands. I'd be more inclined to get a moza f1 wheel with dual clutch, led lights, a little plastic but only £279 new. Fanatec have been replaced as only cheapish sim racing company. Nice to see my simucube still a boss lol.
I have the Invicta, I hope Forte hasn't the too much progressive curve in breaking (even instant breaking) as Invicta. I hope in a firmware update.
Just purchased the heusinkveld sprint pedals. Are gonna replace the Logitech t300 pedals🤯
Could you please help me with two questions?
1 - are they very strong to push?
2 - can I put them on the floor, on some piece of carpet or something?
The Asetek pedals have a failed design for 2 reasons:
1. As @Rob Gibson mentioned here: Printed raised lettering instead of being smooth, which makes it unusable for me as a socks-racer. Why is this not mentioned in the review? (or did I miss it?) These pedals are unusable for all socks drivers.
2. As @Peter Harrison mentioned here: " I prefer the designs/look of the Porte pedals but they are just too close together. ". Why on earth are the positions of the pedal's not adjustable? I drive with 2 foots, left for breaking an right for throttle, I prefer them pretty far apart from each other and I don't use a clutch.
So for those reasons the Asetek pedal's are not an option for, I see them as a failed product design. Heusinkveld pedals (which I don't have btw) are designed with more thought and many (even most) other brands don't have these design flaws.
We highlingted that the heel rest isn't smooth in our stand-alone review. Neither Tom or I found it to be an issue subjectively driving with socks.
I know Asetek has reduced the clutch cost, but they *REALLY* need to consider offering a more competitively priced clutch bundle. As someone who almost exclusively drives manual cars (and for whom a clutch is mandatory) this feels like a deliberate price gouge.
I think it comes down the the chosen design. Most clutch pedals don’t need to include a base plate, but because the base plate is part of the pedal with these, it makes it fundamentally more expensive to produce. Of course I don’t know what’s their margins are though, or if the margin on the clutch is disproportionate to the throttle/brake.
@@boostedmedia, good point. But, if they went to the trouble to separate the clutch, why not offer a greater degree of pedal adjustability and separate all three pedals? (which would come in handy for mounting exclusively the throttle or brake inverted) Idk. It just seems like a bit of an oversight from Asetek.
@@flyingphoenix113 I’m sure they’ll be paying close attention to this kind of feedback and considering it in future designs.
Just upgraded from the Sprints to the Invicta. I was thinking about the Forte as well, but with the Invicta I am at least a little bit more fllexible with the pedal positions. I am very happy with the Invicta so far.
What is your experience with the Asetek Throttle compared to the HV Sprints? I am upgrading to the Forte model.
@@bschalker I tried to make the throttle as stiff as possible and that works fine for me and I don't feel much difference to the Sprints.
I n my search for Sprints i ended up finding a set of ultimates 3 pedals set with baseplate for 700 which is a super steal if you asked me.. fantastic upgrades from my clubsport v2s.. but if not for this deal i wouls have probably ended up with the sprints. They look like a fantasric piece of kit. Honestly both look fantastic. I think the Aseteks look better aesthetically though
Will you guys do a review on the Simagic P2000 Pedals?
No. We won’t work with Simagic after past experiences
I've got some, and myself personally think they're awesome. I test tried them against a pair of HE's and chose them at RaceKraft in Perth. I would love to see what Will would think of them but I know he's not reviewing Simagic gear due to a bad experience or something like that he told me once.
Have you seen the Venym pedals to review?
We have a set here. Working on the review.
Are you going to be taking a look at the Venym pedals? I'm interested to hear a comparison from you guys between the Forte's and invicta pedals and the Venym pedals
Yep we have a set. They're in the queue.
@@boostedmedia Good to hear! Looking to upgrade my T-LCM pedals in a few months. Always watching these videos for the educational value to make a good buying decision when I'm going to be buying, but also largely for the fun factor :)
Thanks for the video
Nice vid 👍
Probably going for forte pedal set.
Do you recommend next level racing wheel stand 2.0 for the forte pedal set? I’m afraid it’s not going to be that stiff to hold the forte pedals
Thank you!!
Im after some pedals and i do have a forte but i have seen that the cast alloy has broken on a fb page so im not going with Asetek which is a shame
you have tried Asetek Forte and Moza CPR.
I am thinking about those two options. I think that Moza CPR allows for greater configuration physically between pedals, and configuration with springs. Which of the two do you recommend? Which one is more professional and better quality? Moza CPR uses 5mm metal and I think Asetek is 3mm.
Please, I need to know your opinion
Excuse my English, I'm Spanish.
I can't help thinking The Sprints look very "cheap" with their sheet metal design. I guess they look a lot better IRL.
Will I have one more quick question after several months and several reviews do you still think the Forte is still best pedals for the money?
I have a question for you guys if you wouldn't mind answering. I currently have the thrustmaster t-lcm pedals. From the moment I installed them on my rig, I put the hardest Springs that they came with on them(the red springs). My question is: Is the asetek brake pedal as stiff, or stiffer than that? Because I feel like my brake pedal is pretty stiff.
What wheelstand or cockpit would work well without drilling extra hole
Hi Will. Do you have any advice for someone with a g27 without money for anything better? I have suffered trauma in the last couple of weeks and today tried to have fun. I cant feel the road whatsoever. Guess I just gotta save up. Love your content
Hey mate. Don’t be discouraged, some of the fastest guys are using basic gear. The best gear is what you can afford. Which game/games are you playing?
If you were buying soon would you wait to see what Cube Controls bring to the table with their SP01 pedals?
There’s always something new on the horizon. I think you’ve got to ask yourself if what’s available now will satisfy you. Only you can answer that for yourself.
Thanks for that, as you alluded to in the video it’s hoping you put your money into something that can grow with you, and it’s what they will offer in the future, like Asetek a whole ecosystem.
I want the sprints, but I like stiff pedals. I currently have v3s on the brake kit, they're on the stiffest setting + half (i'm using an additional stiff bushing cut in half instead of the inital soft foam).
Can I reach a similar stiffness with the sprints? If not what would you recommend? I like the customization options on the Heusinkvelds mainly.
Those are both nice, but if you want them to look more and act more like a common road car/ truck then the Fanatec V3 Inverted is the only one with the longer clutch pedal. Ricmotech and other outlets sell some great inverted Real Gear hydraulic pedals that might be the best out there, but they are pricey. No one pedal set is perfect, they all have ups and downs.
can the huesinks be used without base played, mounting the pedals directly on the foot station of cockpit?
Hi, i like your videos.. can i ask you, of all the sim pedals your tried, what is the pedal that is closest to the real road car?
Well it depends on the car. A Porsche 911 GT3 is totally different from a Mitsubishi Mirage for example. But if you’re looking for the most versatility across the biggest range of cars I’d say the Heusinkveld Sprint or Ultimate+ pedals would be the best option.
When did Eminem start sim racing?
Hey Will great video here! After having watched this I've ordered a set of forte because I've maxed out my sprint pedals and I always reach maximum pressure even at 65kg... then I've watched Dan Suzuki review and I'm puzzled... does this mean that these pedals don't really measure the pressure on the pedal? Will, having used it and the Invicta for a while did you notice any performance issues? I've seen your video and you seem to trail brake fine with the Forte...
No issues with either. I’d happily take the fortes as my daily driver pedals if I had to send the invictas back. Would just as happily run HE Ultimates.
@@boostedmedia thanks for the reply, I’ll test the forte and see how they perform but looking at your video it seems that you had no issues at all, the sprint are great pedals but just too weak at this stage for me.
Also worth looking at the VRS pedals. We will be reviewing a set soon but they get great customer reviews.
@@boostedmedia I have the forte coming tomorrow, let’s see how it goes 🤞🏻😅
Let us know!
You can get Aserek as seperat now
If I already have fanatec csl load cell pedals, would something like one of these be a worthwhile upgrade? Or is it more minor since I already have a load cell?
Could you/anyone tell me the diameter of the brake rod? or the inner diameter of the rubber? :)
I prefer pedals without an sponge elastomer. Got the VRS pedals recently and the breaking feels really good. Best I've tried yet. Can really modulate precisely and looks good on my monkey seat rig. Sadly asetek has such a huge base plate and not way to set the pedals further apart.
Could this outcome apply to their top of the range pedal sets?
We discussed Invicta VS Ultimate+ pretty extensively in our review of the invicta pedals. Pretty similar conclusions. I prefer the Invicta pedals personally but the Ultimates are more versatile.
question i wanna buy some pedals
i have fanatec CSL Pedals LC and i was wondering what u recommend keep in mind i wanna play on ps5 as well so need the pedals to work there for gt7 thank u
CSL Elite V2 is the best option in that case. But it’s not a massive change from what you have now. There aren’t many options for PS5 unfortunately.
@@boostedmedia ok ya i notice but i seen this for this pedals SRP® GT-R | GT SIMULATOR RACING PEDALS
In-house designed electronic board with informative LEDs to keep you aware of the status of your pedals.
# USB-C connectivity for maximum data rate (compatible with USB 2.0 and 3.0).
# 65536 step resolution for precise control of brake, throttle and clutch.
# PC compatible.
# Compatible with PlayStation, Xbox, etc. (with Drivehub*) (*It is recommended to use only original PlayStation USB-C cabling for good connection stability).
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HE all the way
What does it matter they can't give a timeline of production
Forte is ships end of June :)
Not sure why you mean. The product page clearly says shipping end of June.
I bought Forte :D
what's your experience overall after 7 moths
@@laki2973 i would go for invicta :D
Neither. VRS all day.
I'd love to see a review on the vrs was very close to getting vrs pedals but haven't bitten the bullet yet
Forte! Because they are sexy 😅
Both waste of money, people spending thousand of dollars on this sim shit, go buy a car cheap one and go on racetrack and in a driving club.
Trying to understand the thought process here. Why are you watching videos about sim racing hardware if you hate it? 😂
Use the 🧠 mate, it’s free 😌
I’ve got the Protosimtec PT2 pedals (that are no longer available) and don’t know wether it’s worth buying Sprints instead
Anyone owned both?