Far as I’m concerned Courtney’s role was basically handler from the start. She was already tight with early 90’s liberal media elites when she met Kurt (Gordon, Moore, Goldberg, Carroll and by extension Geffin). The Nirvana timeline shows them getting new management, touring with sonic youth & signing with DGC in quick succession after she enters the frame. Presumably she had Priceless Advice to offer that was pretty seductive to a dude coming from very modest financial circumstances. Courtney is undeniably sketchy af but she’s served as a pretty good deflector shield, absorbing all the flak and deterring most people from looking any deeper for suspects, despite being only one of many people who stood to gain massively from Kurt’s demise $$
Look into Courtneys father. He was manager for the Grateful Dead and all in the manufactured hippie scene. It's almost certain he was CIA, and so is Courtney🤔
Kurt was already dead. He just didn't know it yet. Courtney was not going to let him leave her come hell or high water. I agree entirely about Krist, being ignorant to something willingly. I believe he and Dave and Pat know far more than they let on. "For the greater good!" Hot Fuzz vibes from them. Not nefarious necessarily but they know something. Silence is also a crime. It's so sad to me that he was betrayed and killed by his "best friend" Dylan and Cali and a few other squatters in his own home.
Dylan & Mark! (My speculation of course) It was written on Marks Headstone “The Night Porter!” On a podcast that had both Dylan & Mark as guests, Dylan, high as a kite stated, “people joke Mark has many bodies buried under his house,” as he laughed about it! Mark writes about an incident w watching Kurt through a window (I believe that is part of the truth!) I believe Kurt did use the shot gun on himself but he didn’t die & so, Mark and Dylan shot him up w dope til he did die! Or, they shot him up but he didn’t die so, worried about the amount found in his system, which is a lot, they used the shotgun! Mark would make good w his record company & Court (especially if the 1st is true & she got to make the final call) and of course, record companies are all about optics so I’m sure they were part in the final moments of his life! I’d rather believe he caught a plane ride & has been living vicariously behind an unknown artist & or being a ghost writer like on Hole’s album put out after his death) a living his best life somewhere in rural Ireland (as he did say he may live in a castle in Ireland after retirement & he felt emotional & spiritual when he walked the town of Cork), etc….Which this happening is possible too (men walk away from their kids everyday& Court & Kurt was a manufactured relationship by the industry & why it never made sense to us) & would explain Grohls story about taking off to Ireland after Kurt’s death & driving in the country side saw a lone hitchhiker wearing a Nirvana tshirt & he turned around & went back home! Kurt got too big too fast & his health & voice would not go the distance like The Rolling Stones, and other long lasting bands (there were serious issues within the band)…. Lonegan also ended up in Ireland, Court & Frances visited Ireland for a Nirvana display & as one of the Beatles sang (Kurt loved the Beatles) “Listen to what the man says🎶🎶🎶” and what Kurt said in his alleged suicide letter:👉”It’s better to burn out than fade away!!!”….
The Rome incident happened a week after their 2-year anniversary date. Kurt likely knew she was cheating on him and wanted to confront her, she couldn't have that. He would have derailed all her plans of fame. He had to go before the release of her album. She probably called Geffen before she called to request an ambulance. There are two odd coincidences in that both of Pat Smear's lead singers boffed themselves and Cali Dewitt's presence both times Kurt tries to boff himself.
I never considered that Duff could have been lying about being on that flight with Kurt. It is interesting that both Guns n Roses and Nirvana were both on Geffen records. Could this be the record company trying to create a narrative?
I have loved Nirvana for 33 years, but especially Kurt ,and remember when it was announced that he was dead. Every day I am upset that Courtney got away with it. Thank you for talking about these things.✨🙏✨
Duff making up the flight story never occurred to me. Does seem a massive coincidence you have two rock stars on a commercial flight and both are sat next to each other and just so happens one is dead a short while later.
The fact the bands weren’t even on good terms always seemed very odd to me. No one got Duff’s signature on that date either I guess. Not one witness to the 2 sitting next to each other. Riiight.
All of this continual information coming back to light is so important. Doesn't his daughter and her child deserve the truth? Imagine living in his limbo state your whole life, it must be so stressful. Anyway, keep up the great work girls, thank you again for the new light to shine on this crime ❤️ I appreciate especially your insight from the eyes of an addict Lisa. Good info for people to understand
The discussion on the different perspectives of all the players had on Kurt is very interesting and I dig what you all say. Courtney definitely thought he was useless (funny), Dave and Krist thought he was a mess (but they didn't help), Joe was kind but he was also an addict... So who really helped Kurt? He was probably getting on with Kristen, who was also using drugs but at least was intelligent like him. Such a shame Courtney managed to get in his life. Such a sensitive damaged soul, it hurts just to imagine. And let's not forget about his health, anemia makes you weak and tired. You are doing a wonderful job, thank you girls.
@joejitsumusic she was at the end. She had gotten clean and went back home, and then came back to get her stuff and that's when it happened. I think he was just meaning like throughout the few years she was with hole and he became really good friends with her.
This video gave be a light bulb... that perhaps could be helpful/important. Headed to your website to send a message. You gals are amazing and so appreciated!!
@ImHeartshaped Yep Exactly right...Kurt passing away in a foreign country may have had benifits instead of him passing in the USA Not sure what exactly but its obvious that was her plan
In regards to Krist stating that Kurt was weird... maybe he was afraid that Courtney tried to kill him in Rome. I would be acting weird too if my wife tried to kill me. He was also embarrassed by her.
Kurt and Krist had their differences, starting with the fact that they were married to very different people and Kurt's social circle became something closer to addictions. I don't see Shelly being close to Courtney. Shelly seemed to be a very nice wife to Krist, considering that they knew each other long before Courtney showed up and when she showed up she kind of blinded the guy, like wanting to live the way Sid and Nancy did years before. Dave, with his short relationships, seemed like each member had a life very distant from the other in particular and that being friends and bandmates was limited to just being bandmates. A weak guy with habits linked to addiction, when the first shit came in his relationship he would go straight back to using. Kurt could no longer maintain control of anything, it seemed. Krist has that way of satirizing, being politically correct at times. Everything that has been reported mentioning that Krist spoke or mentioned something about Kurt confuses me. I prefer to see him in recorded interviews that can show that something really came from his mouth. Krist is involved in business, politics, I don't know. For me, all of Seattle has turned its back on Kurt. When an entire scene decides not to give an opinion about him, and continues to worship Courtney as they do to this day, it is something that makes me not want to listen to this entire scene as before. Forgive me for talking too much. Joe needed to show up and give the world clarity about what Kurt suffered while documentary films and movies continue to come out on UA-cam or streaming platforms telling stories that Kurt committed suicide. When it comes to real life, if someone around me is unconscious, I would immediately do something. Pat Smear is no fool, he is an old punk playing sweet and serving the old blonde lady.
This is my theory. Courtney was half out of it on drugs in Rome and Kurt was talking to her and she called him Billy or something to that effect. Maybe said something that she shouldn't have. He got upset and took a bunch of drugs not as a way to kill himself but because he was so distraught. At that moment he probably knew he was going to be divorced. And that's when Courtney realizing what she did figured I'm not getting alimony because my infidelity. He's gotta die for me to get paid.
You lady's are doing a great job. I came across you when the Joe stuff broke. I haven't followed any of this in years. The day I herd of his death on the radio. I said he didn't kill himself, just my gut feeling. Then reading books and later internet with all the bs I thought well maybe he did. Know again I say no way he did. Keep up the good work. Thanks
It smells like a big set up to me-esp. considering the “mean” letter. Any tears after Kurts death from CL (to me anyway) reeks of narcissistic “why didn’t you love me unconditionally”?!?
He made a mistake, she was exciting at first, then he found out the real CL, another thing Kris is a alcoholic, and he has a different perspective on drug's, he says weird but Kurt might have been just clean, or kinda going through mental withdrawal, which I have experienced.
Kurt told Krist flat out that he did drugs. We hear it from the man himself in about a son. Krist became really concerned. “And Shelley called me up later and told me that they love me and they didn’t want me to do drugs. It was really nice.”
I believe if Duff didn't fly with Kurt on that day, that he did still fly with him at some point and just got dates mixed up. The fact that they were sitting together is not a big deal. I've worked in the music industry since 1999. Especially back in the earlier days, if I worked for a label and we had two artists going to and from the same place. We would sit them together. Less of a chance of a PR issue with the general public, and its easier to notify airport security, hey we have these two VIP. They're together in one place etc. Very very possible.
Right? They're from the same state and professions. Why ppl think that's impossible is astounding. It's really a small world where famous ppl run within the same social circles and businesses.
I dont know anything about addiction but I would have to agree with Lisa. He wasn't used to this substance and even if its just a couple of pills and a glass of champagne the fact he was in a 24 hour comma seems like that would have a dramatic effect on Kurt's state of being. Awesome video ladies... these questions have never been brought up. Duff doesn't like to be asked about it either he was on a radio show a few years back and when it came up he said he didn't want to talk about it.
If Courtney wanted him dead, she could've let him die in Rome. I really think that Tom Grant's suspicions stem from everyone at the house and Courtney knowing he was dead before he was officially "discovered" by the electrician. I think Kurt killed himself, and Cali called Courtney, who called the record company to figure out the best way to break the news publically, because she had a record coming out, because of contracts and the money involved, etc. Something that has always bothered me is, Tom Grant used to be a police officer. Why did he stop being a cop to be a PI? Was he fired and if so, why?
I personally believe that Tom Grant is a plant in this entire story. All of his evidence is easily disproven and he serves as one of Courtney's alibis. However, there is plenty of evidence that points to murder and the forensics don't lie.
I’m not sure when it’s coming from but there is a really high pitch noise in the background it’s piercing ! Could be feedback from one of the mics or something 😅
You might as well start at the last contact w someone not related to the situation (The security guard stated he never seen Courtney or Frances at the house👉that speaks volumes) …..People think Kurt couldn’t walk away from Frances but fathers do it everyday! Duff was w Geffen too & COULD just be a story for the narrative 👉I think Kurt took off to rural Ireland after the intervention bc he was DONE! He could Pull out 5 million & b set for life & sign the rest away which was a win/win for everyone! People in this circle had friends that were friends w the coroner & just awaiting for a Kurt look alike which finally came & case closed! With millions you can make anything happen 👉Geffen sold his part for 650 Million one year after Kurt died👉Kurt said: “It’s better to burn out than fade away!” Listen 2Him!!!
Did ya’ll see the Rio concert in 93? He said he was shooting coke the entire time because he couldn’t get heroin. That concert was awful. Kurt was out of his mind and his band mates were furious with him. He said he was shooting cocaine with Alice In Chains all night.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I guess the point I’m trying to make is, Kurt was very distanced from his bandmates and many others due to his lifestyle choices. I’ve seen multiple videos of Kurt online. Some good, some bad. There was an mtv interview where he was clearly loaded. Also, the last photo shoot he did with the band it’s reported he asked for a bucket so he could vomit. He surrounded himself with people who were using drugs towards the end. It’s a shame but Kurt did have a bad drug habit. That’s a lot of the reason the last tour was such a chore for Kurt. He couldn’t get the drugs he wanted. Kurt WAS a bit of a whiny baby. He wanted to be famous, then he didn’t. I’ve seen interviews with Buzz Osborne that they hired him to help make their album and ended up firing him because he wasn’t reliable. Almost all Kurt’s problems stemmed from drug abuse. There’s also varying stories about people seeing him in a restaurant, a movie theater, the lake, before Kurt died so which is it?! I don’t think we will ever really know for certain. Sorry to ramble but I really don’t think we will ever really know the truth about his death.
@michellecollins2584 that last photoshoot with the pistol is heartbreaking. He was beyond wasted in those photos and people have a really hard time coming to terms with the fact that Kurt wasn't a saint. People get wrapped up in their own personal version of who Kurt was rather than seeing things for what the really are.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I was around 19 when Kurt died. I never would have thought twice about it at the time when they said he unalived himself. Now, however, all the things I’ve seen online and the evidence we now have. I definitely think there’s more to it than that regardless of his lifestyle.
The nanny that was there has also been noted as Jackie Ferry. That is something I've noticed it's either her or Dewitt. The fact Courtney called Geffen and not those closer says a lot of her motive. I just would like to see a sincere documentary or part series that looks at everything. Most more important to gain the attention from people who may have no interest or awareness about a man being murdered by his wife..Then a Rock Star that ended his life leaving his family and fans grieving. I believe Duff wouldn't lie, but this is Hollywood. And don't forget Pat was friends with Courtney prior to Kurt and Pat compared Kurt to Darby Crash.
@@sabbatopuella6733 there were 2 in Nick Broomfields movie. An older woman & a younger girl who sai she was a nanny and all they talked about was wills.
Id like to add a detail i recall stumbling upon regarding Richard Lee at some sort of court hearng or something .... And Duff McKeagan was there and siding with everyone on removing Richard Lee and calling him a nut basically. For what its worth, it gave me the vibe that Duff is on Courtney's side of things. 🤷
@WhoKilledKurtOrg that's what we all are here for ..brought together to discuss and share to keep this thing going in its fullest. I am very very pleased to contribute something. Thank you for the heart ❤️
I remember an interview with Courtney where she said she told Kurt (hypothetically ) about cheating on him and she said Kurt was so sensitive that he would try to hurt himself because he was upset. I don't know if that is true as I don't believe anything Courtney says but that came to my mind. I don't remember what interview it was, sorry. I came across it on UA-cam. There was another interview where Courtney said she "killed" Kurt. She said not literally but that she threatened to take Frances Bean from him if he didn't quit the drugs and that's when Kurt left Exodus. Again, I don't trust anything Courtney says so I'm not sure but I always remember her saying those things.
@@danilaird this woman is constantly contradicting herself. its absurd. i wish someone could call her out on it and not let it slide. i cant help but feel like CLove and the SPD think we're stupid or something because they cant make up one cohesive narrative. Christ's sake if it were my husband and i wanted to clear my name, id want the story to be as clean cut as possible.
Exactly, she was asking el duce to unalive kurt at least 8 months before kurt was actually dead. According to Dave Portnow a friend of Kurt's, and El duce's
@@PiotrWojtyniak-qu2vu actually I (Lisa) reached out to him many years ago and he was no longer willing to talk. I have spoken with the treatment center though and there wasn't much help that they could provide at all really without the proper release forms and everything. A lot of facilities of that nature only hold on to certain files for so many years before they're destroyed also. Especially when the client is deceased. I would assume that because of the high profile nature of Kurt's particular case they would have held on to things a little longer than normal. Niall is actually mentioned in the acknowledgements on Hole's one record. I always found that sort of strange but I could also mean nothing at all. Dave Grohl and numerous others that you wouldn't really expect to be were also mentioned.
You have to remember that Courtney interjected herself in decisions that the band made. This totally separated Krist and Dave from Kurt. She drove a wedge between them and I believe on purpose. Plus when she had kurt take 75% of publishing it drove a further wedge. That being said, I know in my heart that Krist and Dave loved Kurt and still do. It was Courtney that drove a wedge between them. I completely agree that she thought Kurt was dead and that’s the only reason she called an ambulance. I also agree that was the first attempt. There’s a reason Rohypnol is outlawed in the USA.
Doing Krist a bit of a disservice here I’m afraid. He’s a smart dude and knew Kurt better than most while he was alive. If his comments don’t fit a version of events you’ve chosen to pursue you may have to consider adapting your opinions rather than dismissing what he’s said on the subject.
Krist talks and sounds like the only info he has came straight from Courtney. Kris does a lot of injustice to Kurt being murdered by talking like he knows what happened in Rome,he knows what happened the night Kurt died. At least Dave openly admits he has questions about this case. Until Kris starts fact checking and investigating,he shouldn't help persuade the masses.
@I guess he should probably get his facts straight about life behind the scenes around Kurt. If only we could put him in touch with the UA-cam video viewers who have the real lowdown 😔
@@TrickyWookie you're welcome to your opinion but the facts don't lie. Krist and Kurt were on two totally different wavelengths by this time. Krist goes along with the official narrative and has never cared to question any of it
@TrickyWookieactually if he wanted any justice for his friend,he should be gathering facts on here He could learn a lot about stuff he's clueless on Krist knew Kurt the musician Krist has no idea about Kurt the addict,he only got to witness the damage it caused him Since he wouldnt even go to Kurts wedding,how much time do you think he spent at Kurts house? Don't act like you know about the drug world if you know nothing about it Unless people are getting high or bringing you drugs,they get shunned It's s whole seperate part of our lives It's clear everything was wrong with Nirvana at the end Courtney making Kurt demand all the extra money,plus Kurt putting the band on hiatus,it's common knowledge at the end Kurt was only talking to pat smear.not Krist,not Dave He was afraid for his life,yet he didn't trust them enough to talk about it to them? I think that speaks volumes there Do you even realize when Kurt died,they couldn't find a way to tell krist? So they had to tell him Kurt went to the farm,to jam with Joplin and hendr And he believed it for a long time . He doesn't know how much damage him and Danny Goldberg do by going along with Courtney's false narratives If you believe Kurt committed suicide,why are you here? How much time do you think krist has spent learning about this case? His only contribution has been filing a restraining order against Richard Lee and telling anyone who will listen Kurt killed himself,and tried killing himself in Rome This isn't a krist fan site It's about solving a horrible injustice to a terrific man. And he's only hurt that cause with hoe much he speaks his uneducated thoughts. Which many in that scene don't even think he believes in private. Which,if true,makes it even more sickening But I guess it helps when it comes to politics. If you want tales of what it was like playing in fecal matter with Kurt,krist is the man to talk to If you want to know why Kurt was murdered ,krist is one of the worst people to talk to, because either he's stupid or pretends to be At least Dave can be more honest Even in his songs,his true feelings come out Read his first song he wrote after Kurt died,I'll stick around He admits it is about Courtney But Dave also wasn't at Kurts house getting high,so he didn't know the vultures and vampires leeching off him there Your either part of the problem or part of the solution,and it's clear Krist is part of the problem with this case getting reopened And so are people who support his views and his choice of reckless words. Courtney,Krist,and Danny Goldberg have damaged this case more then the rest of the world combined. We know why Courtney does it,I'm still trying to figure out what krist and Danny got out of it. I don't trust politicansjhh
I think in Rome Kurt found out Courtney was foolin' with Billy Corgan. And while I don't believe for one bit Kurt tried to take himself off this Earth, I do believe Kurt was very upset with Courtney over the affair and went off to get high by himself with the drugs she brought to numb his pain. Then Kurt wrote a letter of intent to divorce. Maybe he took one too many pills by accident. 50 I doubt. Seems like that should've ended him for good long before the hospital visit. And it's a possibility Kurt and Courtney got into a fight over the affair and she said to herself; "Okay, then let's up the pills if you really think you're going to leave me with all your money!" Then hoping his soul left his body, Courtney finally called Pat and off they ran to the hospital. I don't know for sure any of this because most people there aren't talking about it, and the ones who have done so have been exceedingly vague or inconsistent. But a life-taking moment by Kurt himself, no it was not. A possible accident as stated, maybe. A first attempt at mercing, I think is likely the scenario, because it's funny that letter has never been seen, nor the contents divulged by those who allegedly saw it. Something tells me Kurt may have mentioned Billy and the betrayl he felt and that he felt under no certain circumstances to stay with her since she betrayed him, which is something Kurt had felt with his father when he re-married after Don told Kurt he wouldn't. And that's why the letter, if it was even written, has disappeared.
Kurt had already wanted to divorce her for months, and he reportedly told a friend that he only stayed in the marriage because he felt trapped, and because of Frances. But he planned to have full custody of her. I don't believe he was romantic and prepared gifts for her. That's her version. So much so that she said they also had sex in the hospital (seriously!) And in Rome's letter, Courtney stated that he said very mean things to her, and an SPD employee who had access also said that Kurt was basically swearing at her. Buzz Osborne also said that on March 1, everyone heard Kurt yelling at her on the phone, and swearing at her.
You know the doctor in Rome said he only thought Kurt took 8 to 10 pills not 50 like Courtney says,you know there is the truth and then there is Courtney opinion,Kat even says Courtney lies
@@ChristinaSpringsteen-on5vmI believe the 8-10 pills. I used to take those pills with alcohol and only 2 or 3 would knock me out…so 8-10 is about right for coma…50he be dead for sure
Very interesting information. So he didn't take 50 pills in Rome. As for McDuff, it doesn't matter. They recalled the past on the plane and that was it. He didn't have to lie. We are waiting for information about these few interventions in Seattle after Rome. Greetings from Poland
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg But the police apparently saw the letter and others. And with this wall in the exodus, he took his things and jumped over the wall. What's the problem? :)
Guys this was 1994. 30 years ago. No phones and internet. They didn’t leave together. Kurt got in a vehicle and left. No one knew Kurt was leaving Exodus. How would paparazzi get tipped off to go take photos of Kurt at the airport. You’re wasting time on stories that don’t matter. There’s also pics of Kurt at the airport online. I have seen many many videos online of pics from Kurt at the airport.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I guess what I’m trying to say is, there were no cell phones back then for people to film anything so we will never really know what actually went down after Exodus.
Sorry I accidentally wrote my comment at first under the wrong profile. That was my work account so anyway, yeah I think it’s weird that Pat smear supposedly took him to the hospital. I can’t remember where I read it but supposedly he had to also drive a stick shift and didn’t know how to drive a stick or drive on the opposite side of the road. Why wouldn’t they call an ambulance and why does everybody assume they did?
@@kurtasa3884 EXACTLY! This has always been an issue for me. If Courtney thought that he was already dead then why would you take the risk of not only trying to find the hospital in a strange city in your own, but risk wasting time when first responders could've gotten there and started rendering emergency care a lot faster?
@ it makes me think Courtney never wanted him to make it to a hospital. I think Pat Smear actually took the initiative to do something because clearly Courtney wasn’t going to help.
Great show Ladies. I can't wait to hear what y'alls thoughts about the intervention are. There's lot of insight to be taken from it. Ie: how did it affect Kurdt's mental state? I would imagine he would be resentful as hell about it. I think he showed up to the intervention with Dylan. Who arranged for Dylan to bring him there? If it was Courtney, is it the 1st time she went behind Kurdt's back to arrange things w/ Dylan? We know she used Dylan to escort Tom Grant around the house and go in the garage but not even check the guest house above. Whose idea was it to have the intervention? Who was in attendance at that intervention? Who was not in attendance at the intervention is just a telling. Love y'all
31:45 addict here: i disagree.. i think if he really had a 400$ a day heroin habit - then 48 hours is enough to significantly lower his tolerance. One interesting thing is he was still in communication with Jennifer adamson, while in Exodus, who was "a drug dealer" and who was staying at the lake Washington house
There's a big difference in being a drug dealer and picking up dope for your friends when you're picking up your own. Jennifer may have hung out with "drug dealers" but she wasn't a dealer herself. Courtney also refers to joe and Bonnie as dealers. The majority of addicts will sell just enough to their close inner circle just to get by themselves. They're hardly dealers though.
What was the typical emergency response protocol in Rome in 1994? What number would you call? How long would it have taken an ambulance to arrive? What kind of security would Kurt’s team have provided to avoid the press?
@18:55 there are a lot of people who were involved in Kurt's circle who have come out in recent years ,who suddenly have their own little stories about how they were legitimate in the story of the last days of Kurt Cobain. It's almost like they were finally given clearance to tell these stories to the press to remain important, to maybe help sell a book, or a new album 🤷♂️ I totally agree with Michelle though, it's strange especially about the supposed airport incident .
Krist truly loved Kurt.. But David Grohl is kind of sus to me. I could be wrong obv but he didnt seem to affected in a lot of ways. After Rome I think Kurt was starting to realize Courtney maybe tried to off him and it was definitely tripping him out. And I think that's what Krist was meaning when he said, he wasn't the same. I think it was blowing his mind that someone he married and had a baby with wanted to blow his head. Then of course there's Kristen Pfaff. She was also unalived??? SO SUSS!! She knew too much.
I agree Just like Snoop Dogg and more know the truth about 2Pac Like diddy and more know the truth about Notorious BIG I believe most artists...The ones who are super famous and been around say 30+ years They know the truth about all these things But they are absolutely sworn to secrecy Majority are freemasons and in a group that is sworn to secrecy If you talk about ANYTHING you will lose your life No joke
@@BayIen.Dupree that's interesting. You can just tell something isn't right when he tells his story about the last time kurt called him and he wasn't there. It's kinda sad. He'll hopefully jump aboard once this keeps moving towards justice. Everyone's doing a great job!!!
There was a thread on Reddit several years ago about Kurt. Krist wrote if anyone knows anything about Kurts death to call the police. Was is Krist? IDK
No, he doesn’t care nor do the Cops. Kurt expressed his feelings about kN pretty clear in About A Son, a great film featuring a Band Of Horses performance There was no Rome note ~ BTW It’s more delusional fairytale talk by C.Love I’m surprised Uncle Tom bought into it. kN hates Uncle Tom ~ BTW Cinéma Vérité, Another Lousy Lay, Kathaleen Hanna, Tad Doyle’s GF….
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5k I do not believe that it was Krist even though I don't care Krist in the slightest. I think that he and Kurt just got to a point in their lives where they were in totally different places and their friendship dissolved because of it
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Yeah- who knows. He said it was him but it could have been anyone. I remember Krist saying there were some towels & sheets in the room b/c he thought Kurt didn't want to make a mess?? Who knows. Maybe Kurt was going up to that cabin in the woods to get away. I know he wanted to ne with Kristen Plaff. IMO if a guy gives a girl who is prettier & musically trained unlike the Dirty Mattress he wanted to get with Kristen. What was on the pages of her diaries that were ripped out after Eric killed her?
Love you guys. Please let us solve this case. For years I have known it was murder. I was an RN & became a Nurse Practitioner. Usually, people die with the needle in their arm. Kurt had 2 needle marks, both sleeves of his shirt rolled down and he was only 5'7 & underweight. He let someone he tristed in his house. They tested the root beer & it had sedatives in it. Then IMO he was dragged upstairs to the dirtiest room in the house. If you are going to take yourself out- wouldn't it be in bed with that beautiful view. In the song "You know You;re Right when he was dragged on stage in the Drs coat- his hair was splayed out like the crime scene.Also the Dirty Mattress still says she slept w/ Trent Reznor. Nope. He went to her room when a bunch of bans were on the same tour with 2 bodyguards to have as witnesses to tell that whore to stop leaving him little gifts. Any giy she wanted she did the same thing. Poor Kurt was a target & he waited a week to open that heart shaped box. several guys got the same thing. Then she tries to have her daughter will changed to get her money at 40 & not 25? Luckily the judge said no. she is a filthy ball of chaos.
I have a platonic male roomie. I asked him if you liked a girl would you give her a copy of your favorite book. He said yes. Just like Kurt gave Kristen the book Perfume.He wanted out of Seattle & I think he wanted to get Frances an get to Minnesota where Kristen was with Janitor Joe.
In regards to Krist stating that Kurt was weird... maybe he was afraid that Courtney tried to kill him in Rome. I would be acting weird too if my wife tried to kill me.
Have any of you really watched Richard Lee’s videos. I watched several and although I agreed with him that Kurt was murdered he was definitely a little off his rocker and he focused too heavily on the El Duce thing. Remember, pre internet and way before we could research things.
In the photo where you can see the foot next to the bag of cartridges, you can see 2 prints of the big toe of a hand with blood, they murdered him and dragged him
I totally agree with Lisa thats why i do think a lot more people were in on his death besides those people that were at Kurts house the night he was murdered. I really think there was a reason Kurt didn't trust anyone. When you think about it, he had a lotta haters, considering he was pretty much "Nirvana" not to say that Krist and Dave weren't as much a part of Nirvana as Kurt was but let's be honest, Kurt was in the spotlight more so than them and like i always say, sometimes you cannot even trust the ones that are the closest to you.
Ask this question- 'Why would Kurt fly to Rome? Remember- courtney said that Kurt missed her and wanted to reunite with her But it's documented that Kurt had a big fight with Courtney on the phone and this is were Kurt called Rosemary to request that courtney be taken out of his will. So you miss your wife or you hate your wife and want nothing to do with her... Why did he go to Rome?
And to see his baby girl. He had been away from her for a long time, and Courtney was torturing him psychologically, not letting him see his own daughter.
Although given those reasons its still strange to fly to rome after you have fought with your wife and have decided the relationship is over. They must have talked about divorce on that phone call because Kurt called Rosemary after that. Even more strange that he went back to the Lake Washington house after leaving rehab. He couldnt have been feeling like his life was in danger, he seemed lkke he wanted to bd found.
@transparentxchange1222 According to Joe, Kurt knew that Courtney had sent people to stalk him. But I really believe Kurt didn't suspect she was planning to kill him. He returned to Lake Washington because that was his home. Courtney was no longer living there, I believe he kicked her out of the house.
@transparentxchange1222 And according to Buzz, Kurt felt trapped with Courtney. You can even see this in the lyrics of Heart Shaped Box. I believe that if they hadn't had a daughter together, he would have left her a long time ago.
@@MelissaTipton-f4z thank you ❤️ he was determined to make sure everyone knew that he was there. He was snoring within five minutes of us finishing recording 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if Pat Smear was in on it with Courtney. Don't forget he was friends with Courtney and as far as Krist goes, I don't trust any of them. A lot of people were mad at Kurt for not doing lollapalooza and other things. Everyone really tried to control him and that's why the poor guy didn't trust anyone. Call me crazy but in my opinion, I feel like he was everyone's meal ticket in a way and money changes people. To this day Kurt and Dave look at his death as a "suicide." And there's obviously proof that it wasn't so yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone that he was around in the last month he was alive. Think about how all of them benefited after he died, I hate to say it and unfortunately from what they say, it happens a lot in the music industry.
the photo of the box with the syringes: the cream that you put when you have a puncture wound is open and with part of the cream outside, who put that cream on? I don't think it was Kurt, and on the spoon you can see the 3 marks or grooves with the doses that were applied. He couldn't inject all that on his own. 
@@erikastoncius6560 those are not from the rehab. That is a common misconception. Those were taken backstage at terminal if not mistaken. There are definitely no photos from Exodus. I assume that you're talking about the one that is shown in black and white where Kurt is kneeling down beside her and then also the one of him holding her.
30:40 I don’t agree with the they would have checked if he was suicidal at the exodus. Maybe yes, maybe no. They certainly do that now but It was the 90s, and he was a celebrity and it could have been that he was not keen to be there and they just checked him in and let him settle down and they would have assessed him further along but obviously he didn’t stay there long enough for this to happen. I was in rehab in 2001, I wasn’t assessed for suicide. I agree with saying that 48 hrs doesn’t lower tolerance, you’re sick and in withdrawal but tolerance is still there. I have the same tolerance after a month of not using
Even back then they would have most definitely done the basic mental health screening during intake. Not all clients are open and honest when entering treatment though, the majority aren't.
I mean, keep in mind it's not 911 in other countries. It would be another set of digits. Did she call the front desk to tell them to get help? Not at all defending her. I fully believe she had something to do with his his unalving. Just wondering if the difference in countries is a factor
@@shanrock34 You’re exactly right! She called the front desk so they could get him help. The only thing is she (admittedly) waited hours while Kurt was lying there. Why would anyone do that if they wanted to save his life?
ua-cam.com/video/ZPsP5ownpcY/v-deo.htmlsi=uKtik-gm5FItC38U If this is a legit video, Apparently there was another person who saw Kurt when he took a plane from L.A. to Seattle. Someone by the name Eddy or Eddie @1:39 his name was mentioned.
So he wants a divorse and stays with her in a hotel room in rome and writes the note while she is sleeping by his site alredy dopeed? We all whant to clarify but can you consider for a second she dindnt kill him? Just to open your mind to other posibilities.
@@n.j.a.9907 We’ve definitely considered that. In fact, I was quite sure she abused him until he took his own life for quite a while. Then I looked into the forensics and started talking to scientists, toxicologists and medical professionals. There is no question that Kurt did NOT pull the trigger on that gun. It’s impossible. So nothing about Rome or anything else matters.
Maybe courtney was wating for him to recover a litle cause maybe he had passed out multiple times and recovered and why call an ambulance and make a big show out of it when using drugs and passing out was on everydays menu. When she saw no improvement she called an ambulance. Just saying. Theres no way to clarify shit here cause theres so many perspectives and ways of thinking. This is life consuming.
@@n.j.a.9907 Science proves Kurt could not and did not pull the trigger on that gun. We can argue mindset, etc all day but forensics don’t lie. The suicide scenario is impossible.
19:07 there are pics on the way home.. he took a pic with fans and was seen by duff on the airplane who sat with him.. so we know he did fly home from Exodus that day .. I guess April 1st
Those photos have been debunked years ago as being from December of 93. The guy in the photos with Kurt is a serial autograph hound and released a book full of autographs from different celebrities. There are several from Kurt.
I think that something bad happened and something did. Someone died and when you are doing those kind of drugs the people that are around you are not around to help you. They are there for the drugs and money and when something bad happens they scatter like roaches. Even if you are not a big star people who are into the drugs that they were into are not the most trustworthy reliable people and back then they didn't have the naloxone kit's like everyone has now. Sorry I am a run on sentence kind of person. Once I get going I run on and on and so on.
Awesome Timeline. 2 Key things you all missed though. 1. Why did Kurt not say he was being offed? There's enough hints (the fuck you note etc.) proving he did know, and he did want to speak. You want the reason he didn't say anything? He did not want to loose his relationship with his kid, we all forget Slim Moon got people involved to have Francis taken from Kurt and Courtney after her article about taking drugs and Courtney slammed Slim Moon in an interview (I think Vogue or something). Kurt was contending against this at the time still some so did not want to rock the boat. By the way, Moon of Kill Rock Stars (name of co. quite intentional) was the principal one also who had Elliott Smith involuntarily committed in Arizona to the asylum his song Love is a Rose is about. Him and Middleman. He never spoke to Moon again. I once found on Linkedin Moon did Gov. sponsored Pyschological work in Washington DC before moving to Seattle area. Also, my sister who dated Elliott said Elliott told her Courtney and her manager cornered him in a booth one time so he couldn't get out and said he was going to attend the Grammies with her as her boyfriend and he somehow got out of it, refusing. Elliott was murdered too while in arguement to not allow himself be committed to a rehab where he would loose his rights again. He had been seeing black vans all that day and when he refused, like Kurt did with Exodus, we see what happened. 2. There is a lot of proof of motivation by Courtney to want to off him in Rome that is out there. Courtney tells Tom even after days of Kurt later being missing that he was always faithful to her. It tore him up his parents divorcing and he was not going to ever be like that ("had a dad" etc.). But Courtney was flaunting it in his face at this time in Rome and in February (well you all go into that a bit), and that she had slept with Billy Corgan (maybe Dando too) at this point in time and was threatening he would never see Francis if he divorced her. She was forcing him and panicked, later Joe and others said it became clear he was divorcing her for adultery and she was not going to let it happen. He just had to keep it cool at this time for Francis' sake. So there's motive. Courtney behind his back used to call him Mr. Poupon and despised him by then, this cosmically universal saint rare to be incarnated among us (in my estimation). A couple other things: Duff Mackagan's family is deep and high up in the Military Industrial Complex as was the Risi family (Courtney's mothers side) per Harrison her bio father (and Billy Corgan said Courtney knew all the War Generals in Washington and he thought it odd) - Grandpa Risi made all spectacles for soldiers in WWII, warbucks type family Courtney got her $2 mill from at age 16. They are fellow war brats (Courtney and Mackagan) and top milit. industr. complex has openly come out on cspan before saying they are way up inside the music business regulating things and people planted, and any documentary on David Geffen shows his interoperation with this, it is an underbelly usually missed that books on Laurel Canyon have exposed. Also, Kurt's intervention was March 25th, then Kurt told Caitlyn Moore at her house on the 27th he was getting death threats, then Krist took him on the 29th to the airport headed for Exodus and he jumped car after giving him a black eye as a betrayer and had already disbanded Nirvana (Krist recently 5th columned the letter given before March 29th). Then per Harvey Ottinger and all he went of his own accord March 30th Wednesday after 5pm and arrived by March 31st when Exodus shows he checked in and spent a day. By evening of April 1st he was headed out of there and was at his Washington house, per Linda, before 2am April 2nd. This needs to all be set in stone in our minds unless Tom, who was a credit card fraud tech maestro for 20 years per his business site, and Courtney who says on tape she paid the rehab people to say what she wants them to, manipulated the all the dates with Mackagan. This is why the testimony of Harvey Ottinger and Linda, (the drivers), is so important. Here's an important thing though about the dates, People magazine back then said Kurt entered exodus March 28th so someone is lying here and it is certainly not Harvey Ottinger. The reason then? Why did some PR of Courtney's take the time to put out a lie in People, they couldn't have been that stupid, so there must be a motive that reveals something here in all this. Tom showed Courtney regularly used PR firms to send out all kinds of disinformation after the death (assassination). In Joe's first interview with Richer also he becomes shocked to find it is public knowledge Cali flew out and away from the Washington house after Kurt was dead, as Joe says, but several days before Kurt's body was discovered. This is because all at that house have been told to shutup about the roughly three day stagger Courtney and her PR put on everything (Kurt died of Heroin hotshot in him April 3rd 3am not April 5th, etc.).
Love the channel and all your guys stuff but just catching the end here where someone was talking about kurt leaving cigs at exodus or gifting his jeans or whatever is crazy over the top. I dont mean the whole leaving anything behind is crazy but whoever said that insinuated that Courtney was so slick and was having this amazing murder plot put together over multiple states in a couple days tying up loose ends all over the place and putting together the perfect murder is beyond far fetched. Do o think he was murdered yes, is there a chance he somehow did it himself possibly but Courtney having this amazing plan all the way down to what someone said on here i think hurts all the good your doing
That literally had nothing at all to do with it. We were discussing different options for why people leave rehabs the way that they do? Clients will walk about without their belongings in order to avoid staff trying to stop them. Some facilities allow clients to hold on to their personal effects such as a wallet. Some places require that to be signed out. Gibby Haines is the one that sold the cigarettes and the jeans at auction. Gibby was his roommate. That had nothing to do with Courtney. However, it is widely believed that she organized a murder across state lines and there is plenty of evidence that supports that theory
En la foto donde sale el pie izquierdo junto a la bolsa de cartuchos, se aprecian 2 huellas de sangre del dedo gordo de una mano, asi que alguien lo asesino y arrastro.
Possibly as a trusted celebrity vouching for the official narrative. Same as with Mark Lanagan supposedly being at the house with Tom Grant a month later!!!
Far as I’m concerned Courtney’s role was basically handler from the start. She was already tight with early 90’s liberal media elites when she met Kurt (Gordon, Moore, Goldberg, Carroll and by extension Geffin). The Nirvana timeline shows them getting new management, touring with sonic youth & signing with DGC in quick succession after she enters the frame. Presumably she had Priceless Advice to offer that was pretty seductive to a dude coming from very modest financial circumstances. Courtney is undeniably sketchy af but she’s served as a pretty good deflector shield, absorbing all the flak and deterring most people from looking any deeper for suspects, despite being only one of many people who stood to gain massively from Kurt’s demise $$
Look into Courtneys father. He was manager for the Grateful Dead and all in the manufactured hippie scene. It's almost certain he was CIA, and so is Courtney🤔
Kurt was already dead. He just didn't know it yet. Courtney was not going to let him leave her come hell or high water. I agree entirely about Krist, being ignorant to something willingly. I believe he and Dave and Pat know far more than they let on. "For the greater good!" Hot Fuzz vibes from them. Not nefarious necessarily but they know something. Silence is also a crime. It's so sad to me that he was betrayed and killed by his "best friend" Dylan and Cali and a few other squatters in his own home.
Dylan & Mark! (My speculation of course) It was written on Marks Headstone “The Night Porter!” On a podcast that had both Dylan & Mark as guests, Dylan, high as a kite stated, “people joke Mark has many bodies buried under his house,” as he laughed about it! Mark writes about an incident w watching Kurt through a window (I believe that is part of the truth!) I believe Kurt did use the shot gun on himself but he didn’t die & so, Mark and Dylan shot him up w dope til he did die! Or, they shot him up but he didn’t die so, worried about the amount found in his system, which is a lot, they used the shotgun! Mark would make good w his record company & Court (especially if the 1st is true & she got to make the final call) and of course, record companies are all about optics so I’m sure they were part in the final moments of his life! I’d rather believe he caught a plane ride & has been living vicariously behind an unknown artist & or being a ghost writer like on Hole’s album put out after his death) a living his best life somewhere in rural Ireland (as he did say he may live in a castle in Ireland after retirement & he felt emotional & spiritual when he walked the town of Cork), etc….Which this happening is possible too (men walk away from their kids everyday& Court & Kurt was a manufactured relationship by the industry & why it never made sense to us) & would explain Grohls story about taking off to Ireland after Kurt’s death & driving in the country side saw a lone hitchhiker wearing a Nirvana tshirt & he turned around & went back home! Kurt got too big too fast & his health & voice would not go the distance like The Rolling Stones, and other long lasting bands (there were serious issues within the band)…. Lonegan also ended up in Ireland, Court & Frances visited Ireland for a Nirvana display & as one of the Beatles sang (Kurt loved the Beatles) “Listen to what the man says🎶🎶🎶” and what Kurt said in his alleged suicide letter:👉”It’s better to burn out than fade away!!!”….
can you blame her?
I totally agree, I just feel like they should have said something. Kurt had no one.
The Rome incident happened a week after their 2-year anniversary date. Kurt likely knew she was cheating on him and wanted to confront her, she couldn't have that. He would have derailed all her plans of fame. He had to go before the release of her album. She probably called Geffen before she called to request an ambulance. There are two odd coincidences in that both of Pat Smear's lead singers boffed themselves and Cali Dewitt's presence both times Kurt tries to boff himself.
Always believed that Rome was the first attempt.
Me too
100%
I never considered that Duff could have been lying about being on that flight with Kurt. It is interesting that both Guns n Roses and Nirvana were both on Geffen records. Could this be the record company trying to create a narrative?
Yes
@@nil3413 Absolutely
I've been saying this for years. Glad to see others mentioning this now!
I have loved Nirvana for 33 years, but especially Kurt ,and remember when it was announced that he was dead. Every day I am upset that Courtney got away with it. Thank you for talking about these things.✨🙏✨
Duff making up the flight story never occurred to me. Does seem a massive coincidence you have two rock stars on a commercial flight and both are sat next to each other and just so happens one is dead a short while later.
The fact the bands weren’t even on good terms always seemed very odd to me. No one got Duff’s signature on that date either I guess. Not one witness to the 2 sitting next to each other. Riiight.
Two very big bands on the same record label that hated each other. A family feud of sorts.
All of this continual information coming back to light is so important. Doesn't his daughter and her child deserve the truth? Imagine living in his limbo state your whole life, it must be so stressful. Anyway, keep up the great work girls, thank you again for the new light to shine on this crime ❤️
I appreciate especially your insight from the eyes of an addict Lisa. Good info for people to understand
The discussion on the different perspectives of all the players had on Kurt is very interesting and I dig what you all say. Courtney definitely thought he was useless (funny), Dave and Krist thought he was a mess (but they didn't help), Joe was kind but he was also an addict... So who really helped Kurt? He was probably getting on with Kristen, who was also using drugs but at least was intelligent like him. Such a shame Courtney managed to get in his life. Such a sensitive damaged soul, it hurts just to imagine. And let's not forget about his health, anemia makes you weak and tired. You are doing a wonderful job, thank you girls.
I thought kristen was clean and recovering... which is why her "overdose death" doesn't add up ..?
@joejitsumusic she was at the end. She had gotten clean and went back home, and then came back to get her stuff and that's when it happened.
I think he was just meaning like throughout the few years she was with hole and he became really good friends with her.
This video gave be a light bulb... that perhaps could be helpful/important. Headed to your website to send a message.
You gals are amazing and so appreciated!!
I really hope this all comes out and I hope someone really does a deep dive into what happened
WHO was there once and 4 all
I think CL wanted Kurt to die in Rome
IMO she wanted him dead outside the USA for whatever reason
Agree she was dressed in black smart clothes with full make up ready for the media. She thought he was dead or almost dead.
@ImHeartshaped Yep Exactly right...Kurt passing away in a foreign country may have had benifits instead of him passing in the USA
Not sure what exactly but its obvious that was her plan
@@ImHeartshaped Yep I agree the Dirty Mattress. Thats what I cal her. I hate saying her name.
@@ImHeartshapedexactly
So she packed that black dress
Her packing a black dress and everything else she brought to Rome is a HUGE Red Flag
She had a big romantic fairytale to spin before the release of her album.
In regards to Krist stating that Kurt was weird... maybe he was afraid that Courtney tried to kill him in Rome. I would be acting weird too if my wife tried to kill me. He was also embarrassed by her.
Kurt and Krist had their differences, starting with the fact that they were married to very different people and Kurt's social circle became something closer to addictions. I don't see Shelly being close to Courtney. Shelly seemed to be a very nice wife to Krist, considering that they knew each other long before Courtney showed up and when she showed up she kind of blinded the guy, like wanting to live the way Sid and Nancy did years before. Dave, with his short relationships, seemed like each member had a life very distant from the other in particular and that being friends and bandmates was limited to just being bandmates. A weak guy with habits linked to addiction, when the first shit came in his relationship he would go straight back to using. Kurt could no longer maintain control of anything, it seemed. Krist has that way of satirizing, being politically correct at times. Everything that has been reported mentioning that Krist spoke or mentioned something about Kurt confuses me. I prefer to see him in recorded interviews that can show that something really came from his mouth. Krist is involved in business, politics, I don't know. For me, all of Seattle has turned its back on Kurt. When an entire scene decides not to give an opinion about him, and continues to worship Courtney as they do to this day, it is something that makes me not want to listen to this entire scene as before. Forgive me for talking too much. Joe needed to show up and give the world clarity about what Kurt suffered while documentary films and movies continue to come out on UA-cam or streaming platforms telling stories that Kurt committed suicide. When it comes to real life, if someone around me is unconscious, I would immediately do something. Pat Smear is no fool, he is an old punk playing sweet and serving the old blonde lady.
This is my theory. Courtney was half out of it on drugs in Rome and Kurt was talking to her and she called him Billy or something to that effect. Maybe said something that she shouldn't have. He got upset and took a bunch of drugs not as a way to kill himself but because he was so distraught. At that moment he probably knew he was going to be divorced. And that's when Courtney realizing what she did figured I'm not getting alimony because my infidelity. He's gotta die for me to get paid.
You lady's are doing a great job. I came across you when the Joe stuff broke. I haven't followed any of this in years. The day I herd of his death on the radio. I said he didn't kill himself, just my gut feeling. Then reading books and later internet with all the bs I thought well maybe he did. Know again I say no way he did. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Krist has said some really bizarre things over the years so I take stuff he says with a grain of salt.
Your doing great work. The world needs to know the truth.
Rohynol are really strong and hypnotic , no way he downed 50 and survived, starves off getting sick
It smells like a big set up to me-esp. considering the “mean” letter.
Any tears after Kurts death from CL (to me anyway) reeks of narcissistic “why didn’t you love me unconditionally”?!?
He made a mistake, she was exciting at first, then he found out the real CL, another thing Kris is a alcoholic, and he has a different perspective on drug's, he says weird but Kurt might have been just clean, or kinda going through mental withdrawal, which I have experienced.
Kurt told Krist flat out that he did drugs. We hear it from the man himself in about a son. Krist became really concerned.
“And Shelley called me up later and told me that they love me and they didn’t want me to do drugs. It was really nice.”
I believe if Duff didn't fly with Kurt on that day, that he did still fly with him at some point and just got dates mixed up. The fact that they were sitting together is not a big deal. I've worked in the music industry since 1999. Especially back in the earlier days, if I worked for a label and we had two artists going to and from the same place. We would sit them together. Less of a chance of a PR issue with the general public, and its easier to notify airport security, hey we have these two VIP. They're together in one place etc. Very very possible.
Right? They're from the same state and professions.
Why ppl think that's impossible is astounding. It's really a small world where famous ppl run within the same social circles and businesses.
In my opinion, Rome was a failed dry run leading to sadly, what happened only weeks later.
so cool to see such informed conversations!! keep up the good work.
Can we even validate that Duff was even on that flight?
@@JB-hq7vp nope!
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg But it is verifiable somehow surely. And why would you want to?!
I dont know anything about addiction but I would have to agree with Lisa. He wasn't used to this substance and even if its just a couple of pills and a glass of champagne the fact he was in a 24 hour comma seems like that would have a dramatic effect on Kurt's state of being. Awesome video ladies... these questions have never been brought up. Duff doesn't like to be asked about it either he was on a radio show a few years back and when it came up he said he didn't want to talk about it.
I think it’s strange that at both places of suicide Cali was at both places. He was one of Kurt’s murders I do believe strongly
If Courtney wanted him dead, she could've let him die in Rome.
I really think that Tom Grant's suspicions stem from everyone at the house and Courtney knowing he was dead before he was officially "discovered" by the electrician. I think Kurt killed himself, and Cali called Courtney, who called the record company to figure out the best way to break the news publically, because she had a record coming out, because of contracts and the money involved, etc.
Something that has always bothered me is, Tom Grant used to be a police officer. Why did he stop being a cop to be a PI? Was he fired and if so, why?
I personally believe that Tom Grant is a plant in this entire story. All of his evidence is easily disproven and he serves as one of Courtney's alibis. However, there is plenty of evidence that points to murder and the forensics don't lie.
I’m not sure when it’s coming from but there is a really high pitch noise in the background it’s piercing ! Could be feedback from one of the mics or something 😅
Great job girls this channel is so important I pray you ladies get this all done thank you 4 all your hard work
You might as well start at the last contact w someone not related to the situation (The security guard stated he never seen Courtney or Frances at the house👉that speaks volumes) …..People think Kurt couldn’t walk away from Frances but fathers do it everyday! Duff was w Geffen too & COULD just be a story for the narrative 👉I think Kurt took off to rural Ireland after the intervention bc he was DONE! He could Pull out 5 million & b set for life & sign the rest away which was a win/win for everyone! People in this circle had friends that were friends w the coroner & just awaiting for a Kurt look alike which finally came & case closed! With millions you can make anything happen 👉Geffen sold his part for 650 Million one year after Kurt died👉Kurt said: “It’s better to burn out than fade away!” Listen 2Him!!!
Did ya’ll see the Rio concert in 93? He said he was shooting coke the entire time because he couldn’t get heroin. That concert was awful. Kurt was out of his mind and his band mates were furious with him. He said he was shooting cocaine with Alice In Chains all night.
@@michellecollins2584 you know I totally forgot about that until you just brought it up!
Good observation
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I guess the point I’m trying to make is, Kurt was very distanced from his bandmates and many others due to his lifestyle choices. I’ve seen multiple videos of Kurt online. Some good, some bad. There was an mtv interview where he was clearly loaded. Also, the last photo shoot he did with the band it’s reported he asked for a bucket so he could vomit. He surrounded himself with people who were using drugs towards the end. It’s a shame but Kurt did have a bad drug habit. That’s a lot of the reason the last tour was such a chore for Kurt. He couldn’t get the drugs he wanted. Kurt WAS a bit of a whiny baby. He wanted to be famous, then he didn’t. I’ve seen interviews with Buzz Osborne that they hired him to help make their album and ended up firing him because he wasn’t reliable. Almost all Kurt’s problems stemmed from drug abuse. There’s also varying stories about people seeing him in a restaurant, a movie theater, the lake, before Kurt died so which is it?! I don’t think we will ever really know for certain. Sorry to ramble but I really don’t think we will ever really know the truth about his death.
@michellecollins2584 that last photoshoot with the pistol is heartbreaking. He was beyond wasted in those photos and people have a really hard time coming to terms with the fact that Kurt wasn't a saint. People get wrapped up in their own personal version of who Kurt was rather than seeing things for what the really are.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I was around 19 when Kurt died. I never would have thought twice about it at the time when they said he unalived himself. Now, however, all the things I’ve seen online and the evidence we now have. I definitely think there’s more to it than that regardless of his lifestyle.
Nope not enough time to lower a decent tolerance, as an addict or former but Lisa's totally right about everything
Being in Rome and at Kurt’s home . He was Courtney’s minion
The nanny that was there has also been noted as Jackie Ferry.
That is something I've noticed it's either her or Dewitt.
The fact Courtney called Geffen and not those closer says a lot of her motive.
I just would like to see a sincere documentary or part series that looks at everything.
Most more important to gain the attention from people who may have no interest or awareness about a man being murdered by his wife..Then a Rock Star that ended his life leaving his family and fans grieving.
I believe Duff wouldn't lie, but this is Hollywood.
And don't forget Pat was friends with Courtney prior to Kurt and Pat compared Kurt to Darby Crash.
Didn't she say all they did was talk about wills all day & fight?
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5k Jackie Ferry?
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5kthat was a different nanny. Not Jackie.
@@sabbatopuella6733 there were 2 in Nick Broomfields movie. An older woman & a younger girl who sai she was a nanny and all they talked about was wills.
@@sabbatopuella6733That younger nanny's name is Hattie Siegfried; she appears in Broomfield's Kurt & Courtney.
I hope justice is served one day. I pray for it. My gut tells me he didn’t do that to himself… 😢
Id like to add a detail i recall stumbling upon regarding Richard Lee at some sort of court hearng or something .... And Duff McKeagan was there and siding with everyone on removing Richard Lee and calling him a nut basically. For what its worth, it gave me the vibe that Duff is on Courtney's side of things. 🤷
@@mega5k I totally forgot about that!!+
@WhoKilledKurtOrg that's what we all are here for ..brought together to discuss and share to keep this thing going in its fullest. I am very very pleased to contribute something. Thank you for the heart ❤️
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg one could always question Krist's stance as well for he also was on the other side towards Richard Lee. 🤷
I remember watching that. Poor Richard Lee.
I’ve never believed Duff’s story. I was 13 at the time and saw right through it. There’s a favour there or SOMETHING.
Maybe compromised? Someone had some dirt on him so was told to lie all this time.
@ that’s typically how CL works, yeah
@@RushGreen241 could also be pressure from Geffen. They had a lot to gain from Kurt’s death as well and gn’r were signed to them too.
I remember an interview with Courtney where she said she told Kurt (hypothetically ) about cheating on him and she said Kurt was so sensitive that he would try to hurt himself because he was upset. I don't know if that is true as I don't believe anything Courtney says but that came to my mind.
I don't remember what interview it was, sorry. I came across it on UA-cam.
There was another interview where Courtney said she "killed" Kurt. She said not literally but that she threatened to take Frances Bean from him if he didn't quit the drugs and that's when Kurt left Exodus. Again, I don't trust anything Courtney says so I'm not sure but I always remember her saying those things.
He already knew that she was cheating on him since the end of 1993, if that were the case, he would have killed himself during that period.
She said that in “montage of heck” then in “heavier than heaven” she tells another different story, contradicting herself as liars usually do
@@danilaird this woman is constantly contradicting herself. its absurd. i wish someone could call her out on it and not let it slide. i cant help but feel like CLove and the SPD think we're stupid or something because they cant make up one cohesive narrative. Christ's sake if it were my husband and i wanted to clear my name, id want the story to be as clean cut as possible.
She said in the Barbra Walters video that she was responsible for Kurt's death because she pushed him too hard.
I always took that as Courtney reversing the story, and it was Kurt who admitted he cheated and she lost it.
If Pat really did drive Kurt to the first hospital, you know, Courtney told smear to drive as slow as he possibly could.
By Rome she had already told El Duce earlier it would be in a few months. Also study his behavior with his last interview in 94 with nardwuat
Exactly, she was asking el duce to unalive kurt at least 8 months before kurt was actually dead. According to Dave Portnow a friend of Kurt's, and El duce's
You never recall anything from Rohypnol, not the next day or ever. The minds camera doesnt record them.
WKK, ever though of contacting Nial Stimson - Kurt's supposed counselor at Exodus - for more insight into Kurt's state of mind at the time?
That's a good idea
I don't think they're allowed to talk about their patients.
@@PiotrWojtyniak-qu2vu actually I (Lisa) reached out to him many years ago and he was no longer willing to talk. I have spoken with the treatment center though and there wasn't much help that they could provide at all really without the proper release forms and everything. A lot of facilities of that nature only hold on to certain files for so many years before they're destroyed also. Especially when the client is deceased. I would assume that because of the high profile nature of Kurt's particular case they would have held on to things a little longer than normal. Niall is actually mentioned in the acknowledgements on Hole's one record. I always found that sort of strange but I could also mean nothing at all. Dave Grohl and numerous others that you wouldn't really expect to be were also mentioned.
You have to remember that Courtney interjected herself in decisions that the band made. This totally separated Krist and Dave from Kurt. She drove a wedge between them and I believe on purpose. Plus when she had kurt take 75% of publishing it drove a further wedge. That being said, I know in my heart that Krist and Dave loved Kurt and still do. It was Courtney that drove a wedge between them. I completely agree that she thought Kurt was dead and that’s the only reason she called an ambulance. I also agree that was the first attempt. There’s a reason Rohypnol is outlawed in the USA.
Doing Krist a bit of a disservice here I’m afraid. He’s a smart dude and knew Kurt better than most while he was alive. If his comments don’t fit a version of events you’ve chosen to pursue you may have to consider adapting your opinions rather than dismissing what he’s said on the subject.
Krist does matter.hes an important guy and he loved/loves Kurt.honestly.
Krist talks and sounds like the only info he has came straight from Courtney.
Kris does a lot of injustice to Kurt being murdered by talking like he knows what happened in Rome,he knows what happened the night Kurt died.
At least Dave openly admits he has questions about this case.
Until Kris starts fact checking and investigating,he shouldn't help persuade the masses.
@I guess he should probably get his facts straight about life behind the scenes around Kurt. If only we could put him in touch with the UA-cam video viewers who have the real lowdown 😔
@@TrickyWookie you're welcome to your opinion but the facts don't lie. Krist and Kurt were on two totally different wavelengths by this time. Krist goes along with the official narrative and has never cared to question any of it
@TrickyWookieactually if he wanted any justice for his friend,he should be gathering facts on here
He could learn a lot about stuff he's clueless on
Krist knew Kurt the musician
Krist has no idea about Kurt the addict,he only got to witness the damage it caused him
Since he wouldnt even go to Kurts wedding,how much time do you think he spent at Kurts house?
Don't act like you know about the drug world if you know nothing about it
Unless people are getting high or bringing you drugs,they get shunned
It's s whole seperate part of our lives
It's clear everything was wrong with Nirvana at the end
Courtney making Kurt demand all the extra money,plus Kurt putting the band on hiatus,it's common knowledge at the end Kurt was only talking to pat smear.not Krist,not Dave
He was afraid for his life,yet he didn't trust them enough to talk about it to them?
I think that speaks volumes there
Do you even realize when Kurt died,they couldn't find a way to tell krist?
So they had to tell him Kurt went to the farm,to jam with Joplin and hendr
And he believed it for a long time .
He doesn't know how much damage him and Danny Goldberg do by going along with Courtney's false narratives
If you believe Kurt committed suicide,why are you here?
How much time do you think krist has spent learning about this case?
His only contribution has been filing a restraining order against Richard Lee and telling anyone who will listen Kurt killed himself,and tried killing himself in Rome
This isn't a krist fan site
It's about solving a horrible injustice to a terrific man.
And he's only hurt that cause with hoe much he speaks his uneducated thoughts.
Which many in that scene don't even think he believes in private.
Which,if true,makes it even more sickening
But I guess it helps when it comes to politics.
If you want tales of what it was like playing in fecal matter with Kurt,krist is the man to talk to
If you want to know why Kurt was murdered ,krist is one of the worst people to talk to, because either he's stupid or pretends to be
At least Dave can be more honest
Even in his songs,his true feelings come out
Read his first song he wrote after Kurt died,I'll stick around
He admits it is about Courtney
But Dave also wasn't at Kurts house getting high,so he didn't know the vultures and vampires leeching off him there
Your either part of the problem or part of the solution,and it's clear Krist is part of the problem with this case getting reopened
And so are people who support his views and his choice of reckless words.
Courtney,Krist,and Danny Goldberg have damaged this case more then the rest of the world combined.
We know why Courtney does it,I'm still trying to figure out what krist and Danny got out of it.
I don't trust politicansjhh
I think in Rome Kurt found out Courtney was foolin' with Billy Corgan. And while I don't believe for one bit Kurt tried to take himself off this Earth, I do believe Kurt was very upset with Courtney over the affair and went off to get high by himself with the drugs she brought to numb his pain. Then Kurt wrote a letter of intent to divorce. Maybe he took one too many pills by accident. 50 I doubt. Seems like that should've ended him for good long before the hospital visit. And it's a possibility Kurt and Courtney got into a fight over the affair and she said to herself; "Okay, then let's up the pills if you really think you're going to leave me with all your money!" Then hoping his soul left his body, Courtney finally called Pat and off they ran to the hospital. I don't know for sure any of this because most people there aren't talking about it, and the ones who have done so have been exceedingly vague or inconsistent. But a life-taking moment by Kurt himself, no it was not. A possible accident as stated, maybe. A first attempt at mercing, I think is likely the scenario, because it's funny that letter has never been seen, nor the contents divulged by those who allegedly saw it. Something tells me Kurt may have mentioned Billy and the betrayl he felt and that he felt under no certain circumstances to stay with her since she betrayed him, which is something Kurt had felt with his father when he re-married after Don told Kurt he wouldn't. And that's why the letter, if it was even written, has disappeared.
Kurt had already wanted to divorce her for months, and he reportedly told a friend that he only stayed in the marriage because he felt trapped, and because of Frances. But he planned to have full custody of her.
I don't believe he was romantic and prepared gifts for her. That's her version. So much so that she said they also had sex in the hospital (seriously!)
And in Rome's letter, Courtney stated that he said very mean things to her, and an SPD employee who had access also said that Kurt was basically swearing at her. Buzz Osborne also said that on March 1, everyone heard Kurt yelling at her on the phone, and swearing at her.
You know the doctor in Rome said he only thought Kurt took 8 to 10 pills not 50 like Courtney says,you know there is the truth and then there is Courtney opinion,Kat even says Courtney lies
@@TheLoneMutant yes I think your right about the letter
@@ChristinaSpringsteen-on5vmI believe the 8-10 pills. I used to take those pills with alcohol and only 2 or 3 would knock me out…so 8-10 is about right for coma…50he be dead for sure
Very interesting information. So he didn't take 50 pills in Rome. As for McDuff, it doesn't matter. They recalled the past on the plane and that was it. He didn't have to lie. We are waiting for information about these few interventions in Seattle after Rome. Greetings from Poland
@@fra-e1n no he did not ingest anything close to 50 pills according to the treating physician in Rome.
Oh well? OK. But what about the letter? Why write a list?
@FrantzKotecki what list? There has never been any proof that letter ever existed.
But the police saw the letter from Rome and others
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg But the police apparently saw the letter and others. And with this wall in the exodus, he took his things and jumped over the wall. What's the problem? :)
Kurt was one step ahead of rehab maybe. ❤ Justice for Kurt ❤
Guys this was 1994. 30 years ago. No phones and internet. They didn’t leave together. Kurt got in a vehicle and left. No one knew Kurt was leaving Exodus. How would paparazzi get tipped off to go take photos of Kurt at the airport. You’re wasting time on stories that don’t matter. There’s also pics of Kurt at the airport online. I have seen many many videos online of pics from Kurt at the airport.
There are NO PHOTOS OF KURT AFTER ROME! Those photos were debunked years ago as having been from Jan 93
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I guess what I’m trying to say is, there were no cell phones back then for people to film anything so we will never really know what actually went down after Exodus.
As an aside, I just found out that Charles Cross, who wrote Heavier Than Heaven, died in August 2024.
@EnigmaCodeCrusher yes he did.
Kurt felt his friends would not help him . That pissed Kurt off and hurt him. Their the ass holes.
Sorry I accidentally wrote my comment at first under the wrong profile. That was my work account so anyway, yeah I think it’s weird that Pat smear supposedly took him to the hospital. I can’t remember where I read it but supposedly he had to also drive a stick shift and didn’t know how to drive a stick or drive on the opposite side of the road. Why wouldn’t they call an ambulance and why does everybody assume they did?
@@kurtasa3884 EXACTLY! This has always been an issue for me. If Courtney thought that he was already dead then why would you take the risk of not only trying to find the hospital in a strange city in your own, but risk wasting time when first responders could've gotten there and started rendering emergency care a lot faster?
@ it makes me think Courtney never wanted him to make it to a hospital. I think Pat Smear actually took the initiative to do something because clearly Courtney wasn’t going to help.
@@kurtasa3884 absolutely. so sad. i refuse to believe not a single person has confronted her about this? that's total neglect.
@@kurtasa3884this would make sense.
In Italy cars drive the same side of the road as America. You’re right about the manual gears but wrong about the side of the road
Great show Ladies. I can't wait to hear what y'alls thoughts about the intervention are.
There's lot of insight to be taken from it. Ie: how did it affect Kurdt's mental state? I would imagine he would be resentful as hell about it.
I think he showed up to the intervention with Dylan.
Who arranged for Dylan to bring him there? If it was Courtney, is it the 1st time she went behind Kurdt's back to arrange things w/ Dylan? We know she used Dylan to escort Tom Grant around the house and go in the garage but not even check the guest house above.
Whose idea was it to have the intervention? Who was in attendance at that intervention? Who was not in attendance at the intervention is just a telling.
Love y'all
I wish he would've taken buzzes advice but it's not that easy
31:45 addict here: i disagree.. i think if he really had a 400$ a day heroin habit - then 48 hours is enough to significantly lower his tolerance. One interesting thing is he was still in communication with Jennifer adamson, while in Exodus, who was "a drug dealer" and who was staying at the lake Washington house
I’m an addict too unfortunately and I don’t think 48 hrs is enough to lower your tolerance
Jennifer Adamson was not a drug dealer?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I mean she wa.. but all heroin users tend to double as "dealers" because they help their friends get heroin
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Courtney said she was .. twice on Tom Grant's thing she said Jennifer & Bonnie were both drug dealers
There's a big difference in being a drug dealer and picking up dope for your friends when you're picking up your own. Jennifer may have hung out with "drug dealers" but she wasn't a dealer herself. Courtney also refers to joe and Bonnie as dealers. The majority of addicts will sell just enough to their close inner circle just to get by themselves. They're hardly dealers though.
What was the typical emergency response protocol in Rome in 1994? What number would you call? How long would it have taken an ambulance to arrive? What kind of security would Kurt’s team have provided to avoid the press?
@18:55 there are a lot of people who were involved in Kurt's circle who have come out in recent years ,who suddenly have their own little stories about how they were legitimate in the story of the last days of Kurt Cobain. It's almost like they were finally given clearance to tell these stories to the press to remain important, to maybe help sell a book, or a new album 🤷♂️ I totally agree with Michelle though, it's strange especially about the supposed airport incident .
Krist truly loved Kurt.. But David Grohl is kind of sus to me. I could be wrong obv but he didnt seem to affected in a lot of ways. After Rome I think Kurt was starting to realize Courtney maybe tried to off him and it was definitely tripping him out. And I think that's what Krist was meaning when he said, he wasn't the same. I think it was blowing his mind that someone he married and had a baby with wanted to blow his head. Then of course there's Kristen Pfaff. She was also unalived??? SO SUSS!! She knew too much.
Pat knows more than he wants, or can talk about.
I agree
Just like Snoop Dogg and more know the truth about 2Pac
Like diddy and more know the truth about Notorious BIG
I believe most artists...The ones who are super famous and been around say 30+ years
They know the truth about all these things
But they are absolutely sworn to secrecy
Majority are freemasons and in a group that is sworn to secrecy
If you talk about ANYTHING you will lose your life
No joke
He was the 2nd guitarist in The Holez band when C.Love played bass.
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Ohhhh, absolutely he does!
@@BayIen.Dupree that's interesting. You can just tell something isn't right when he tells his story about the last time kurt called him and he wasn't there. It's kinda sad. He'll hopefully jump aboard once this keeps moving towards justice. Everyone's doing a great job!!!
Didn’t he bring a note to Kurt in rehab right before he bailed?
There was a thread on Reddit several years ago about Kurt. Krist wrote if anyone knows anything about Kurts death to call the police. Was is Krist? IDK
No, he doesn’t care nor do the Cops. Kurt expressed his feelings about kN pretty clear in About A Son, a great film featuring a Band Of Horses performance
There was no Rome note ~ BTW It’s more delusional fairytale talk by C.Love I’m surprised Uncle Tom bought into it. kN hates Uncle Tom ~ BTW
Cinéma Vérité, Another Lousy Lay, Kathaleen Hanna, Tad Doyle’s GF….
@@IloveKurtCobain-z5k I do not believe that it was Krist even though I don't care Krist in the slightest. I think that he and Kurt just got to a point in their lives where they were in totally different places and their friendship dissolved because of it
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Yeah- who knows. He said it was him but it could have been anyone. I remember Krist saying there were some towels & sheets in the room b/c he thought Kurt didn't want to make a mess?? Who knows. Maybe Kurt was going up to that cabin in the woods to get away. I know he wanted to ne with Kristen Plaff. IMO if a guy gives a girl who is prettier & musically trained unlike the Dirty Mattress he wanted to get with Kristen. What was on the pages of her diaries that were ripped out after Eric killed her?
Love you guys. Please let us solve this case. For years I have known it was murder. I was an RN & became a Nurse Practitioner. Usually, people die with the needle in their arm. Kurt had 2 needle marks, both sleeves of his shirt rolled down and he was only 5'7 & underweight. He let someone he tristed in his house. They tested the root beer & it had sedatives in it. Then IMO he was dragged upstairs to the dirtiest room in the house. If you are going to take yourself out- wouldn't it be in bed with that beautiful view. In the song "You know You;re Right when he was dragged on stage in the Drs coat- his hair was splayed out like the crime scene.Also the Dirty Mattress still says she slept w/ Trent Reznor. Nope. He went to her room when a bunch of bans were on the same tour with 2 bodyguards to have as witnesses to tell that whore to stop leaving him little gifts. Any giy she wanted she did the same thing. Poor Kurt was a target & he waited a week to open that heart shaped box. several guys got the same thing. Then she tries to have her daughter will changed to get her money at 40 & not 25? Luckily the judge said no. she is a filthy ball of chaos.
I have a platonic male roomie. I asked him if you liked a girl would you give her a copy of your favorite book. He said yes. Just like Kurt gave Kristen the book Perfume.He wanted out of Seattle & I think he wanted to get Frances an get to Minnesota where Kristen was with Janitor Joe.
In regards to Krist stating that Kurt was weird... maybe he was afraid that Courtney tried to kill him in Rome. I would be acting weird too if my wife tried to kill me.
Keep up the good work. This is an important cause!
Have any of you really watched Richard Lee’s videos. I watched several and although I agreed with him that Kurt was murdered he was definitely a little off his rocker and he focused too heavily on the El Duce thing. Remember, pre internet and way before we could research things.
In the photo where you can see the foot next to the bag of cartridges, you can see 2 prints of the big toe of a hand with blood, they murdered him and dragged him
I totally agree with Lisa thats why i do think a lot more people were in on his death besides those people that were at Kurts house the night he was murdered. I really think there was a reason Kurt didn't trust anyone. When you think about it, he had a lotta haters, considering he was pretty much "Nirvana" not to say that Krist and Dave weren't as much a part of Nirvana as Kurt was but let's be honest, Kurt was in the spotlight more so than them and like i always say, sometimes you cannot even trust the ones that are the closest to you.
Repasemos todos otra vez esas fotos con atencion. Justicia para kurt
Ask this question- 'Why would Kurt fly to Rome?
Remember-
courtney said that Kurt missed her and wanted to reunite with her
But it's documented that Kurt had a big fight with Courtney on the phone and this is were Kurt called Rosemary to request that courtney be taken out of his will.
So you miss your wife or you hate your wife and want nothing to do with her...
Why did he go to Rome?
To talk about wanting a divorce!
And to see his baby girl. He had been away from her for a long time, and Courtney was torturing him psychologically, not letting him see his own daughter.
Although given those reasons its still strange to fly to rome after you have fought with your wife and have decided the relationship is over. They must have talked about divorce on that phone call because Kurt called Rosemary after that. Even more strange that he went back to the Lake Washington house after leaving rehab. He couldnt have been feeling like his life was in danger, he seemed lkke he wanted to bd found.
@transparentxchange1222 According to Joe, Kurt knew that Courtney had sent people to stalk him. But I really believe Kurt didn't suspect she was planning to kill him.
He returned to Lake Washington because that was his home. Courtney was no longer living there, I believe he kicked her out of the house.
@transparentxchange1222 And according to Buzz, Kurt felt trapped with Courtney.
You can even see this in the lyrics of Heart Shaped Box. I believe that if they hadn't had a daughter together, he would have left her a long time ago.
Lisa your little man is tryna soak up all the info lol he's adorable ❤
@@MelissaTipton-f4z thank you ❤️ he was determined to make sure everyone knew that he was there. He was snoring within five minutes of us finishing recording 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if Pat Smear was in on it with Courtney. Don't forget he was friends with Courtney and as far as Krist goes, I don't trust any of them. A lot of people were mad at Kurt for not doing lollapalooza and other things. Everyone really tried to control him and that's why the poor guy didn't trust anyone. Call me crazy but in my opinion, I feel like he was everyone's meal ticket in a way and money changes people. To this day Kurt and Dave look at his death as a "suicide." And there's obviously proof that it wasn't so yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone that he was around in the last month he was alive. Think about how all of them benefited after he died, I hate to say it and unfortunately from what they say, it happens a lot in the music industry.
Great video ladies 😊❤😊❤
the photo of the box with the syringes: the cream that you put when you have a puncture wound is open and with part of the cream outside, who put that cream on? I don't think it was Kurt, and on the spoon you can see the 3 marks or grooves with the doses that were applied. He couldn't inject all that on his own.

In all fairness, those tubes leak and can get sloppy easily. There is no evidence of that cream being applied that night.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg la evidencia es que se utilizo esa noche,,, la marca en la caja de la crema saliendo y manchando la caja es la prueba
There are photos of Kurt and Frances taken at the rehab. She said there were no photos of Kurt taken after Rome.
@@erikastoncius6560 those are not from the rehab. That is a common misconception. Those were taken backstage at terminal if not mistaken. There are definitely no photos from Exodus. I assume that you're talking about the one that is shown in black and white where Kurt is kneeling down beside her and then also the one of him holding her.
Wonder if Courtney is watching.
Oh bet she is
30:40 I don’t agree with the they would have checked if he was suicidal at the exodus. Maybe yes, maybe no. They certainly do that now but It was the 90s, and he was a celebrity and it could have been that he was not keen to be there and they just checked him in and let him settle down and they would have assessed him further along but obviously he didn’t stay there long enough for this to happen. I was in rehab in 2001, I wasn’t assessed for suicide.
I agree with saying that 48 hrs doesn’t lower tolerance, you’re sick and in withdrawal but tolerance is still there. I have the same tolerance after a month of not using
Even back then they would have most definitely done the basic mental health screening during intake. Not all clients are open and honest when entering treatment though, the majority aren't.
I mean, keep in mind it's not 911 in other countries. It would be another set of digits. Did she call the front desk to tell them to get help? Not at all defending her. I fully believe she had something to do with his his unalving. Just wondering if the difference in countries is a factor
@@shanrock34 You’re exactly right! She called the front desk so they could get him help. The only thing is she (admittedly) waited hours while Kurt was lying there. Why would anyone do that if they wanted to save his life?
And he joked other people jumping the wall when you can just walk out the front door
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If this is a legit video, Apparently there was another person who saw Kurt when he took a plane from L.A. to Seattle. Someone by the name Eddy or Eddie @1:39 his name was mentioned.
So he wants a divorse and stays with her in a hotel room in rome and writes the note while she is sleeping by his site alredy dopeed? We all whant to clarify but can you consider for a second she dindnt kill him? Just to open your mind to other posibilities.
@@n.j.a.9907 We’ve definitely considered that. In fact, I was quite sure she abused him until he took his own life for quite a while. Then I looked into the forensics and started talking to scientists, toxicologists and medical professionals. There is no question that Kurt did NOT pull the trigger on that gun. It’s impossible. So nothing about Rome or anything else matters.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg lets make Dylan talk. Not sure how. Pressure on the social media maybe, let's get creative.
Maybe courtney was wating for him to recover a litle cause maybe he had passed out multiple times and recovered and why call an ambulance and make a big show out of it when using drugs and passing out was on everydays menu. When she saw no improvement she called an ambulance. Just saying. Theres no way to clarify shit here cause theres so many perspectives and ways of thinking. This is life consuming.
@@n.j.a.9907 Science proves Kurt could not and did not pull the trigger on that gun. We can argue mindset, etc all day but forensics don’t lie. The suicide scenario is impossible.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg I've watched Joe's testimony. F Dylan did it and all fingers point to Kourtney. Wtf
Be good to track rehab people he was in with if they could talk I bet there's good information for sure 😅
It has been attempted.
If there has been any "second ticket" Could it not have been to Franches perhaps?
I've wondered this too, but babies usually get free air fair - it could've been for a nanny or someone else
You can find photos after Rome with "last photos of kurt alive"🤐
Those photos have been debunked YEARS ago! They're from December of 93!
What's the drama on face book ty
We have sorted out the UA-cam and are logged back in (yay). No more drama, friend. Ty for the support!
Your videos are amazing. I really like it. I am a new subscriber to your channel. Can I talk with you?
Sure. You can email me at lisafrancy75@gmail.com
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg just did
Who killed Kourtnie? Strange Facts Strange Facts... I would blame Mr P. Test... Surely he played a big role in our hero demise
Who killed Courtney? And what do you mean by Mr.P test?
19:07 there are pics on the way home.. he took a pic with fans and was seen by duff on the airplane who sat with him.. so we know he did fly home from Exodus that day .. I guess April 1st
I mean I don't think duff is lying.. but either way I don't believe any Kat (Hanna or belljend) drove him home
Source for the pics please!
Those photos have been debunked years ago as being from December of 93. The guy in the photos with Kurt is a serial autograph hound and released a book full of autographs from different celebrities. There are several from Kurt.
I think Kurt was to be in rehab on the 28. but went 30 .
And also made it was an a accident and the dope heads panicked and stupidly made it look like a suicide
What I meant to say he over dosed and all the junk heads panicked and made it look like a suicide
@@bradvanallen8144Is that what you think happened?
I think that something bad happened and something did. Someone died and when you are doing those kind of drugs the people that are around you are not around to help you. They are there for the drugs and money and when something bad happens they scatter like roaches. Even if you are not a big star people who are into the drugs that they were into are not the most trustworthy reliable people and back then they didn't have the naloxone kit's like everyone has now. Sorry I am a run on sentence kind of person. Once I get going I run on and on and so on.
They were both junkies and junky things happen. Hell even bad things happen without junkies
Not sure what you’re getting at?
I love kurt i wish i looked cool like him
Could Tom of moved the shell🤔
Awesome Timeline.
2 Key things you all missed though.
1. Why did Kurt not say he was being offed? There's enough hints (the fuck you note etc.) proving he did know, and he did want to speak. You want the reason he didn't say anything? He did not want to loose his relationship with his kid, we all forget Slim Moon got people involved to have Francis taken from Kurt and Courtney after her article about taking drugs and Courtney slammed Slim Moon in an interview (I think Vogue or something). Kurt was contending against this at the time still some so did not want to rock the boat. By the way, Moon of Kill Rock Stars (name of co. quite intentional) was the principal one also who had Elliott Smith involuntarily committed in Arizona to the asylum his song Love is a Rose is about. Him and Middleman. He never spoke to Moon again. I once found on Linkedin Moon did Gov. sponsored Pyschological work in Washington DC before moving to Seattle area. Also, my sister who dated Elliott said Elliott told her Courtney and her manager cornered him in a booth one time so he couldn't get out and said he was going to attend the Grammies with her as her boyfriend and he somehow got out of it, refusing. Elliott was murdered too while in arguement to not allow himself be committed to a rehab where he would loose his rights again. He had been seeing black vans all that day and when he refused, like Kurt did with Exodus, we see what happened.
2. There is a lot of proof of motivation by Courtney to want to off him in Rome that is out there. Courtney tells Tom even after days of Kurt later being missing that he was always faithful to her. It tore him up his parents divorcing and he was not going to ever be like that ("had a dad" etc.). But Courtney was flaunting it in his face at this time in Rome and in February (well you all go into that a bit), and that she had slept with Billy Corgan (maybe Dando too) at this point in time and was threatening he would never see Francis if he divorced her. She was forcing him and panicked, later Joe and others said it became clear he was divorcing her for adultery and she was not going to let it happen. He just had to keep it cool at this time for Francis' sake. So there's motive. Courtney behind his back used to call him Mr. Poupon and despised him by then, this cosmically universal saint rare to be incarnated among us (in my estimation).
A couple other things:
Duff Mackagan's family is deep and high up in the Military Industrial Complex as was the Risi family (Courtney's mothers side) per Harrison her bio father (and Billy Corgan said Courtney knew all the War Generals in Washington and he thought it odd) - Grandpa Risi made all spectacles for soldiers in WWII, warbucks type family Courtney got her $2 mill from at age 16. They are fellow war brats (Courtney and Mackagan) and top milit. industr. complex has openly come out on cspan before saying they are way up inside the music business regulating things and people planted, and any documentary on David Geffen shows his interoperation with this, it is an underbelly usually missed that books on Laurel Canyon have exposed.
Also, Kurt's intervention was March 25th, then Kurt told Caitlyn Moore at her house on the 27th he was getting death threats, then Krist took him on the 29th to the airport headed for Exodus and he jumped car after giving him a black eye as a betrayer and had already disbanded Nirvana (Krist recently 5th columned the letter given before March 29th). Then per Harvey Ottinger and all he went of his own accord March 30th Wednesday after 5pm and arrived by March 31st when Exodus shows he checked in and spent a day. By evening of April 1st he was headed out of there and was at his Washington house, per Linda, before 2am April 2nd. This needs to all be set in stone in our minds unless Tom, who was a credit card fraud tech maestro for 20 years per his business site, and Courtney who says on tape she paid the rehab people to say what she wants them to, manipulated the all the dates with Mackagan. This is why the testimony of Harvey Ottinger and Linda, (the drivers), is so important.
Here's an important thing though about the dates, People magazine back then said Kurt entered exodus March 28th so someone is lying here and it is certainly not Harvey Ottinger. The reason then? Why did some PR of Courtney's take the time to put out a lie in People, they couldn't have been that stupid, so there must be a motive that reveals something here in all this. Tom showed Courtney regularly used PR firms to send out all kinds of disinformation after the death (assassination). In Joe's first interview with Richer also he becomes shocked to find it is public knowledge Cali flew out and away from the Washington house after Kurt was dead, as Joe says, but several days before Kurt's body was discovered. This is because all at that house have been told to shutup about the roughly three day stagger Courtney and her PR put on everything (Kurt died of Heroin hotshot in him April 3rd 3am not April 5th, etc.).
What about Roddy Bottum of Faith No More? He apparently was staying at the house after Rome.
All I know is that he was the Bottum during his whirlwind romance with C.Love
Isn't this lady in the black shirt with the brown curly hair the same girl that was in the 1997/1998 Nick's Broomfield documentary?
No I am not Hattie seigfreid. She is well into her 50s now. We have spoken to her however but not on camera
911 in 94 it was not there . Courtney was over the marriage and Kurt was F U i want FBean ... .
911 wasn't but emergency services was?
Love the channel and all your guys stuff but just catching the end here where someone was talking about kurt leaving cigs at exodus or gifting his jeans or whatever is crazy over the top. I dont mean the whole leaving anything behind is crazy but whoever said that insinuated that Courtney was so slick and was having this amazing murder plot put together over multiple states in a couple days tying up loose ends all over the place and putting together the perfect murder is beyond far fetched. Do o think he was murdered yes, is there a chance he somehow did it himself possibly but Courtney having this amazing plan all the way down to what someone said on here i think hurts all the good your doing
That literally had nothing at all to do with it. We were discussing different options for why people leave rehabs the way that they do? Clients will walk about without their belongings in order to avoid staff trying to stop them. Some facilities allow clients to hold on to their personal effects such as a wallet. Some places require that to be signed out. Gibby Haines is the one that sold the cigarettes and the jeans at auction. Gibby was his roommate. That had nothing to do with Courtney. However, it is widely believed that she organized a murder across state lines and there is plenty of evidence that supports that theory
Her eyes are beautiful
I still think he was murderd
We do too!
En la foto donde sale el pie izquierdo junto a la bolsa de cartuchos, se aprecian 2 huellas de sangre del dedo gordo de una mano, asi que alguien lo asesino y arrastro.
Dónde exactamente para que pueda verlo?
@susan7930 en el tejano
@susan7930 eso son marcas de sangre
@@susan7930 en el tejano zona del tobillo antes de llegar al calcetin
@@karlosgrunge No consigo verlas, podría ser un tema de saturación de color?
No, why would Duff lie about that? He wouldn't have gained anything by lying about that??
except attention and his name tied to another legacy.
Possibly as a trusted celebrity vouching for the official narrative. Same as with Mark Lanagan supposedly being at the house with Tom Grant a month later!!!
@@evilsheep2197 Lanegan and Layne Staley were like brothers, and Staley thought Kurt was killed.