Dude they killed Kurt….they shamed his name and made his memory one of a whiny little Pisces who just couldn’t hack it, when in fact he was about to shake the music world more than we could ever imagine and leave a toxic woman. Many Men know once you leave a toxic woman and gain your footing again sky is the limit. We were robbed of our generations voice.
I hope people remember and realize that Courtney Love was just sued over allegations that she planned to kidnap and murder her son in law over the guitar that was used by Kurt in the unplugged performance. It isn't far-fetched to say she planned Kurt's murder as well
Imagine slowly realizing that everyone of your "friends" you are hanging out with are all conspiring to murder one of your best friends. I cannot imagine. So awful. Long live Joe Burns 🫡🧠
he is so effing traumatized!! You can't blame him tho I would be too. Ugh talk about with friends like that... in his case he shoulda just had enemies...
He def knows everything that happened and probably even played a role in it. You can tell he watched every single word he said not to incriminate himself or anyone else there who took part or witnessed it. He kept making excuses oh he has to go to bed and on and on...they had to basically force every last word out of him. That was his way of trying to get it off his conscience but he didn't at all. Half the stuff he said were probably lies. You can just tell he thought so so hard about every single word he said. That was probably the closest well ever get to knowing that it was 100% not sewacide.
The fact Dylan's dad was a high ranking member in the DoD (military intelligence) should be the breadcrumb to notice for anyone with knowledge of these things. His dark occult practices (read his song and album titles, if you know, you know) speak volumes as to who and what he is.
I've been saying the same thing for years! Along with Dave Grohls Father working for the White House as a Republican party speech writer! You can't make this shit up.
@@YettiManChannelyes, and he grew up somewhere close to Langley. Look up Dave McGowan "weird scenes from the canyon". All the hippie bands of the 60's had ties with the military, or intelligence. It continued into the 70 and 80 with the punk bands, new wave, metal and eventually the grunge scene.
Even if this case doesn't, which it most likely won't, go anywhere, I truly think JB witnessed the beginning of the end that night. He may be sporadic, blinded by lights, and recovering day by day, but the dude witnessed enough shady shit, to honestly make me feel that Dylan was involved. First and foremost, Dylan is the Achilles Heel of this case, and WE will never get the truth. I wholeheartedly believe Joe and personally want to thank him for doing this. After all of these years, missing puzzle pieces have finally been found, and fit the holes. Loosely, but they sum up what a lot of us "Cobaniacs" have known.
Ever since “Kurt and Courtney” came out on VHS I knew he had something to do with it. As a naive kid I thought he had shot Kurt’s dead body after Kurt accidentally overdosed cuz Dylan didn’t want the public to think Kurt was that bad of an addict and in a doped stupor thought suicide was a better look. Man was I one naive kid. They all wanted him dead. They’re all complicit in the murder.
@@dereksendrak oh people are definitely paying attention! Once we get some media on everything we're working on the authorities won't have a choice but to listen!
@@dereksendraki wish too… it unfortunately is still considered fringe by many… not I though… I could picture all of this… especially with how he said Dylan was a little psycho… you can see that in his eyes when interviewed…. I would never trust him with my life…
Hard to trust a junkie who would push their own mother over to get to it, he’s of his face now…..not a credible witness, he’ll get torn apart if he goes on the stand
Should have let the man get a nap he's struggling and probably could have given us a better recall of what happened, it's almost cruel to do to the one person who can tell us what really happened
I'm only 8 min in and I can't take it anymore. He can't complete a damn sentence for the life of him and moving all around is distracting. I can't follow his story it's too annoying
@@tmuder33 the way Kurt-truthers operate and behave is embarrassing. They just make everything worse. I've had to just give up on Kurt ever getting justice, and he changed my life as a teen and I've been a fan for 30 years. none of these people have been able to act with dignity and integrity, they all bicker and fall victims to their own ego and madness. Courtney must laugh at how hopeless they all are.
Thank you to Joe Burns & everyone involved with presenting this. There’s so much to unpack with the testimony overall, where to even begin? For example, look at the Earth music video “Tallahassee”: - Dylan & normal-on-the-surface looking dude go to a sketchy place to pick up an equally sketchy looking dude. - Dylan arranges & purchases a gun with dude #1 onlooking. - After picking up a girl and having a brief conversation with her, dude #1 becomes impatient and tells Dylan to hurry up. - Dylan responds by preparing drugs. - Girl starts to overdose. - While overdosing, Dylan & dude #1 drag her back to the car and then dump her still-twitching body before driving away. I bring this up not only for the thematic & literal parallels with Joe Burn’s account of how Kurt was murdered, but also the general belief of occult practitioners to hide their individual truths in plain sight…as Joe was hesitant to admit that Dylan was a said practitioner. OK anyway, thanks again to Joe & everyone involved here. - Justin Case
@@JustinCase-t9fWhen did Joe Burns ever talk about Dylan Carlson being into Satanism/Witchcraft? Very interesting. I also find it interesting that Dylan's Father works/worked at the DoD (Department of Defense). I think there's something behind that.
@@YettiManChannel During the last two minutes of “Joe Burns Raw Footage #2” on the Kurt’s Army channel, he discusses how Dylan, Kurt and him would read books on The Third Reich and the occult, including how the SS performed ancient rituals & alchemy. - Yes, I think Dylan’s father is a piece of this puzzle.
That can happen when you do enough junk to lose an arm.I appreciate him taking the time to relay the stories.its obvious it’s painful to recall some of these things.
Man it's way more sad that he died this way rather than him doing it to himself. I grew up in these kind of drug circles and shit like this definitely went down. Really scary to think about and makes me really sad that a bunch of vultures took advantage and had their way with Kurt. Psychotic Satanic natured people took that little girls father away from her.
When someone has been through a lot of stress or trauma, I mean, A LOT of trauma, it can actually make it hard for them to communicate the way they want to, also memory. I am not saying that's happening here, like maybe there are other things, factors like being tired, health related stuff, but, I know that when I ended up with trauma, I noticed a big difference between my cognition now compared to the past, before those things happened.
Something that people don’t take into consideration is the fact that Joe suffered a major motorcycle accident that not only took his arm, but left him with lifelong cognitive disabilities along with speech delay. Joe also has addiction issues. So this all plays apart, not to mention the severe trauma that he’s lived with for the last 30 years.
This is worse than a dementia or Alzheimer’s patient. He can’t string two words together. Even being tired, you don’t talk like this. It sounded like he was high as a kite.
Joe is a HERO for coming out. Anyway we can do to help Joe? I agree that almost everything. However we do not know why Bonnie all of a sudden wanted to leave. If she was sitting with (Oh god i can not remember) Jennifer or Jessica and then all of a sudden seh wanted to leave there is a possibility that Bonnie got told what was going to happen. and that why she wanted to leave. I allways felt that Bonnie is the key to this thing. But Bless Joe!!!!!!!!!!!
@@pcm1997 if you'd like to make a donation to help Joe you can email us at justice@whokilledkurt.org or you can use the donation link on the website. Recipes will be provided to anyone that donates to show what the money was used for. If you check out our more recent videos there is one from this past Friday where we met up with Joe and took him out to dinner and then took him for groceries. We have a group member that also took Joe a new boat, socks, and some other things that he requested. Another group member is currently working on his van to get it running and back on the road. Joe has been released from the hospital into a community living situation. He is doing well, no longer using, and his health is improving ❤️🩹
This dudes high as a kite right now and trying his best to not incriminate himself but he dropped the ball on that one.because he waited over 30 years and didn't come forward immediately with this information pretty much makes him an accessory or at least guilty of obstruction.so this interview paid for his next fix.
I really hope and pray this case gets reopened and there is finally justice for Kurt. I have been going over this for 30 years in my head what happened to Kurt and who did it... I need to know... Kurt was my biggest inspiration when I was 16-20 and even after that but I couldn't listen to Nirvana anymore for 10 years after he died... it hurt too much.... I remember everything so well to this day.... the day I heard it on MTV by Kurt Loder, my sister and I crying and going to the park and sitting on the swings crying and her writing something to Kurt in the dirt.... watching that vigil on MTV and Courtney reading Kurt's "suicide note".... I wasn't sure what to believe and think back then and even I believed her lies.... I actually listened to her band for awhile after that happened.... but then I started hearing Kurt didn't kill himself so all these thoughts started going in my mind.... Courtney was involved.... I was so angry.... I wanted to know. I needed to know.... what happened to one of my favorite artists ever. He shaped my musical world in so many ways... I learned every song on guitar... I looked up to Kurt and Dave and Krist too... I remember kids at my high school not being in class for a week afterwards because they were so fucking sad. I was so sad too. I really pray this gets settled and those involved get put behind bars or put on death row moreso .......... I love Nirvana and I'm now 47 years old from a 16 year old high school kid who connected, like the many other kids at the time and even kids nowadays, who connect with Kurt and feel the teenage angst and feel different and are artistic people and musicians and his music and words made us feel good in our lives.... Kurt gave us some sort of hope. He was and still is our John Lennon. Kurt seemed like a wonderful human being. Wonderful soul who did not deserve this. I pray he will be brought to justice!!
You know if we can push this out and make everybody aware of what happened the authorities won’t have a choice but to reopen the case because this is a lead to an investigation and my man Kurt deserves some justice
@phantomx.t.v6610 it's coming! There's been some movement recently. The SPD recently reached out to our handwriting analyst to verify the handwriting analysis that we submitted in our initial challenge!
First thing I realized watching the first interview is that this guy is a drummer (I am too) and a tattoo artist and he can no longer do what he loves most in life, at least not like he used to, that broke my heart. Dude does not come off like some BS'er who's telling tall tales, hes realiy putting himself in danger by exposing all this.
Oh he was. Street meds, that's why he could barely stay awake. If you've ever been sedated you know how hard it is to stay awke and focused. @Bananenbennie
Just remember Keefe D went on some UA-cam interviews and wrote a book about he and his cousin (and Diddy) murdered Tupac. No one thought it would ever be solved .... Now look at em .... Just saying there's hope
@@PtolomëCravencraft there is Definitely hope! The authorities won't be able to ignore the forensic report that is in the works! 2025 is going to be our year.
if youve ever been that tired, then you know how tired he was. Imagine if you rescheduled your trip home and interviewed him the next day after he got sleep. In depth detail about who was around the house after kurt was gone but before he was found and who might have been up and down from the greenhouse during that time is pretty important. He knows alot more than he said right here
@@tyler4964 unfortunately the guy that we hired to shoot and conduct the interview for us was highly inexperienced and unprofessional. He should have never put Joe on camera as tired as he was and he should have never kept pushing when Joe clearly needed a break and was exhausted. To make matters worse, when he did finally allow Joe to go back to his room to sleep he went and woke him up a few short hours later and threw him back in front of the camera. The quality of his interview and how badly it was handled is not lost on us. Thankfully Joe knows that we aren't at fault and we're no longer associated in any way with cameraman/interviewer that dropped the ball on this.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg We do appreciate you securing this interview, I'll put up with stumbling around to hear what this guy has to say. I totally believe he was there at the house when Kurt got back from LA. It isn't the whole story but it's an interesting chapter without a doubt.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg I'm not sure of I've asked this before or if it's relevant now but is it possible to conduct another interview with Joe? And what would the cost be?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgif you gave an actual shit about quality control, not to mention the subject matter, wouldn't you do it yourself... That's kind of weak to me to get someone else and have no-one there to supervise.
@@Leftcrowproductions it would be possible to conduct another interview with Joe but the truth of the matter is that we just don't have the money for it. We're working on this from all over the world. We spent thousands out of pocket on this one. The reason that we sent the guy that we did was because he was the closest and it was the cheapest route. We still had to pay for airfare, multiple hotel rooms, equipment rentals, car rentals, expenses while there. We're working on some other things that have been extremely expensive and right now we just don't have the resources to interview Joe again at this time. We've got what we needed for the authorities. This is a lot bigger than just Joe. While he is an important piece of the puzzle, he's not the only piece.
No he is sick and high I fell bad for him but he’s recalling from memory so that is good but these people all failed Kurt he’s parents and people around him he met Courtney then died 1+1=2 Courtney love had somthing to do with it and it gave her 400 million and a career she’s a sick woman
@@meanttobe3563 Had a disa agreement with my dad as he thinks 100% he killed himself.Kurts door was 🔒 from the inside my dad said so how could anyone kill him.
@@waynesilverman3048 That is incorrect. You need to go over the details of the case with your father. Make him watch soaked in bleach for starters. I am probably older than your father, 55, and have followed this case from the beginning. When you have a list of things that do not make sense it's pretty easy to see something is not adding up. To be honest, most people of average intelligence who read all the details of the case will at least, admit a possibility of foul play. If it means something for you, to have your dad see your side of it, feed him reputable information.
It took a few sittings to get through this version, honestly it's like Joe was being tortured by sleep deprivation then interrogated relentlessly and people wonder why he seems so out of it. I'd love to know what this would have been like if he had been allowed to sleep some and be fresh for it, as he was practically begging to do. I believe him fully though. He was under a lot of pressure we can't imagine besides being so tired and whatever else. THANKS JOE YOU'RE A HERO and it sounds like you were Kurt's only REAL friend in the house that night. How can people live with themselves?
@@garybennett410 that's exactly what happened and is exactly why we're not longer associated with the cameraman that grossly mishandled this interview. Thankfully Joe knows that wasn't our fault. Had we been gone and done the interview ourselves it would have gone a lot differently.
I was shure that I would'nt ever hear a True story and then after 30yrs latter, about one of the legends "death"-murder now as we hear, of iconic Curt Cobain😔😪RIP. And WORLD ☝️ it's so important for music legends and history to finally this came out. Greetings from Serbia 🇷🇸❤️🙏
Long story short, Kurt wasn't alone that night. When you hear the autopsy he wasn't just "fast-talked" up to the greenhouse with all the wounds to his body. Endlessly tragic that he was murdered in his own home by squatters he didn't want there, people he doesn't know and who he thought was his best friend. This man obviously has nothing left to lose. I believe he's telling the truth. It's no wonder the Seattle PD conducted no investigation. They were obviously in on the operation. Who are these "PI's" taking incriminating pictures of them? Tom Grant? I just find it hard to believe Kurt would associate with this Nazi. As Courtney says in a video showing off his clothes, "Kurt died in this, I had to wash blood out of it." His brown corduroy coat from Rome, not in the crime scene photos...
Dylan is the plug we already know that. Maybe he had dope for Kurt and they didn't want to share with Joe? Could the situation where things got serious and they want Joe and Bonnie to leave is because they're not sharing their dope that night. What is really strange is Kurt was missing for days and apparently, according to Joe, Dylan knows Kurt hangs out in that greenhouse yet Dylan doesn't take the PI( Tom I think )up there when they were looking for Kurt. Dylan would know Kurt hangs out up there yet an electrician finds the body? How convenient none of the Klingons, anyone that hangs out at Kurts house, wouldn't find him. Its strange Dylan and some unknown dude are all over Kurt. The biggest part I can't digest about the official cause is I saw that damn shotgun, and I'm about kurts size, and I can't see see reaching that trigger with that barrel anywhere near my face, its simply too long. Then too many things don't add up after that.
Dylan is a asshole always knew somthing was up truth is when he seen Kurt had a gun he should have went to police the man was said to have tryed to kill himself and Dylan knew he had a gun how dumb even for protection I would have gave it to him if I had to then call police on Kurt and tell them he has a gun that right there shows they all wanted Kurt to die for the 400 million he had a target on his back and a lot of junkies around him he was probley binding from Courtney and not telling anyone where he was cause he knew all these junkies not joe but all the rest was looking to kill him for money sick Courtney michell Harrison is evil
You have to have A LOT of patience to listen to Joe. I'm not sure if he's tired, or high or sick but it takes him forever to get a thought out. It makes sense what he's saying...but the form of expressing himself is torturous.
We didn’t. The people that we paid to conduct the interview for us did though. We sent them with a very clear outline for this interview. They were supposed to make Joe comfortable and do things on his time and instead they more less pulled a police interrogation on him. We had paid for four days for the interview to take place and Nathan Reimer, the cameraman, insisted on squeezing everyone into less than two days. The interview was grossly mishandled and that is not lost on us.
If you’re 100% sold on Josefs testimony without scrutinising him further, then you have no business investigating a murder or a suicide. This footage needs to be reviewed by professionals and Jo needs to be interviewed by professionals.
@@SoniaDanischewsky really because we respond to almost everything. I didn't see your comment. Joe's testimony had been filled with the SPD, city attorney, mayor, and king county district attorney. We're currently putting together a more comprehensive case challenge and we also just paid a forensic expert 8k to analyze the case. Aside from that we have hired a certified gun expert that has crime scene experience, along with a pathologist. We have received preliminary reports that support homicide. We hope to be able to share some of this information publicly as soon as possible.
Remember, nature is a mirror. If you believe it wont go anywhere because you resonate negatively/realistically, then it will struggle to ever see daylight! But if are open, its over, and history is about to do the most beautiful rewrite we've ever seen
He’s straining to talk because he’s telling the truth. PS it was cool and heartwarming to see him lighten up when mentioning the great Morbid Angel, Carcass and early Slayer.
@@FTW_666 a typical response when your under a lot of stress is your body starts wanting to shut down and you start feeling tired. You can tell this weighs pretty heavy on him
It’s cuz he’s a full blown end stage 4 junkie. He’s struggling to keep a single thought strait cuz his brain is cooked like those commercials we saw in the nineties with the eggs.
The question of how Kurt's jacket and aviator hat got into the greenhouse would be interesting. Did he carry that with him? It would also be interesting to know whether he was able to attribute the shot and the question of why he didn't go to the police after the body was discovered. I also have a question... If Kurt was wearing a red dress in the greenhouse, he must have put it on there and then changed again, because he wasn't found dead in the red dress. It breaks my heart that Joe instinctively knew something was happening there but Kurt couldn't be saved. Eric came from L.A. Because Courtney gave him the last note because she expanded it by a few sentences
I'm sorry but...this is painful to sit through and try and be patient trying to listen to this guy tell his account of the events that unfolded the night of Kurt's death..
How muting your voice does protect you, against who? Joe was afraid to talk about some rituals in Kurt's house? What kind of private detectives were filming him and other people in the house? Were they police officers or detectives hired by Courtney other than Tom Grant? Or Grant's contractors? If so many people and witnesses were in the house that evening, April 4, why did they decide to kill him in front of witnesses, and not do it later, when Cali could have thrown everyone out of the house?
It covers our asses if the interviewers that we hired to conduct the interview and are no longer associated with would want to start trouble over publishing their voices.
Don't think there were any rituals in Kurt's house. I guess they were just intrigued by gloomy stuff, which may be a side effect of opiates. Seems like, they did not know much about nazi rituals. Otherwise they would have known that not Goebbels, but Himmler was into occult stuff. Himmler on the other hand was inspired by a real weirdo - unfortunately I do not recall his name at the moment- but he was totally insane and nobody took him serious, except Himmler.
Why has no one thought to ask Joe if he knows el Duce or Allen wrench? I know we all wrote those guys off pretty quick for many reasons but it’s still a thought and doesn’t hurt to ask
Because the interviewer was an idiot that did a really bad job and had no research done. And not letting him take a break or snack . Awful . This is not Michelle asking the questions..
The LAPD & SPD were both contacted that Eldon and the store owner, that witnessed Courtney solicit the death of Kurt via shotgun, were being truthful/passed top-tier lie detector test. Courtney was in LA during the Nirvana concert in December when she met up with Eldon. Her number is on record calling the store. Her team of attorneys denied everything.
We have asked Joe about this. He is positive that neither of them had anything to do with it and were not present that night. However he said that he believes that Courtney probably made the same offer to multiple people leading up to Kurt’s murder.
These dudes doing the interview are pushing him way too hard. He's obviously exhausted! They couldn't let him take a couple-hour nap? They come off as straight assholes.
Yeah it was fucked up the way that they handled this interview. Especially with what everything cost because they were acting like two little princesses. Thankfully Joe knows that isn't our fault. If we had been able to go ourselves this whole thing would've gone a lot differently
I had been saying that on all these channels , chris todd is a big baby and he deletes comments . I dint think that was on Michelle, but the guys that were talking to him , I agree with you how much is a freaking hotel room , a nice meal and some time to relax right ?
Someone please edit this down to the 10 minutes it would be with out all the smacky breaks in between. I had to take a break 5 times because it was hurting my head.
For this to be an open and shut case boggles my mind! Kurt was the cash cow and had a house full of people and they want us to believe he unalived himself all alone?? GTFOH..Rip kurt. I hope i see justice for you in my lifetime!
Joe could be lucid when talking about what he was saying off the top of his head but during questions I think he was structuring his words carefully and possibly a bit high. I remember the day Kurt was found as a young kid once I was older I was certain Cali Dewitt did it or knew the note,rosemary’s true thoughts while finding out she was being recorded,Courtney practicing Kurt’s writing.Joe did paint a picture that seems very plausible to me. #JusticeForKurt
Cali was about 17 years old wheñ he did this, its so knivving and icky ...Joe seemes like he was more around Kurts age . Justice and truth ...Joe is tired of having it on his conscience for way too long good on him for being honest
Does that mean that kurt was charmed by dylan cleverness of every insights he have? Although maybe joe doesn't want to use the word 'manipulating' to describe kurt and dylan friendship
It's kinda strange that he doesn't describe the other guy was he big or small... It would be the natural inclination if you didn't know the name of someone..
In a now deleted post Francis said to Courtney that she would build her a green house like above the garage and let her live her last days with her cats in it odd thing to say to ur mom knowing her father died in a garage green house type place I think bean knows something n she stays away from Courtney cause she don’t want to be around the sickness she’s a sick woman
Metal Church came from Aberdeen and they were huge with us metalheads in the early to mid 1980's. Metal Church was up there with Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer.
@@ponzo1967 Yeah that's right. Aberdeen was the home of a few great musicians. Kurdt Vanderhoof of Metal Church was one, and. of course, Kurt/Kurdt Cobain. I believe Buzz Osbourne, Dale Crover, Matt Lukin, and Krist Novoselic, were from that area too.
@@heightenedsenses9605 I heard it was. AW was a master at making noisy bands more commercial sounding, such as Motley Crue and Slayer. It worked like a charm, I just don't think Kurt imagined it becoming as commercially appealing as it did.
He def knows everything that happened and probably even played a role in it. You can tell he watched every single word he said not to incriminate himself or anyone else there who took part or witnessed it. He kept making excuses oh he has to go to bed and on and on...they had to basically force every last word out of him. That was his way of trying to get it off his conscience but he didn't at all. Half the stuff he said were probably lies. You can just tell he thought so so hard about every single word he said. That was probably the closest well ever get to knowing that it was 100% not sewacide.
Okay, I'm less than 1 minute in, just been curious. But I really want to send good wishes and prayers (not Christian, though) to him. He is certainly not well and needs someone who cares and some luck! EDIT: It's way to painful to watch. Hope someone reaches out to him! What ever you think why, this guy is in danger. Someone really needs to support him and maybe sponsor some rehab? Isn't there a possibility to establish a fund? I'm not from the US, have no experiences with something like that and my to-do list is almost absurd, but I'd really like to support this at least a little bit!
We've done all of those things. Joe wasn't interested in going to rehab anytime we've asked. We've tried to help him line up housing, assistance programs, and numerous other things.
I would love to have him put into a rehab... maybe we could start a gofundme page for Joe to get into rehab, explain his story, etc.... I am sure a lot of people would definitely chip in.
I wonder if you guys ever tought about interviewing Gus Van Sant? The movie has a couple of leads, like "Cali" saying "everything is under control" on the phone and that look in Blake's eyes in the end when the door in the greenhouse opens... And the red dress... GVS knew something...
Courtney has the red dresses. I spoke with her dad Hank too, before he died. He said she was pretending to be backstage at a concert at this very same exact time when she is obsessing over Kurt. Hank told me she had a private jet and could fly anywhere anytime. I think they brought Kurt up to her, where the shotg*n they had bought was already up there prepared to meet him as well...
@@TheLifeOfABorderline Dylan bought the gun for Kurt because Kurt had said there was recent break ins at the house and Kurt didn't want the cops taking his guns away like they did when Courtney claimed he locked himself in his room and said he was suicidal.
@davidmajchrzak462 Did you know that criminals lie? Most people don't seem to know that fact... but criminals Actually do lie... seriously... they do...
... "best f...n friends" doped guys, none of them even tried to stop the murder of their "friend" which they witnessed live. So pathetic and sad at the same time. In normal words, there were not a single person in that house that was Kurts friend by any meaning. TLDR: to save your precious lifetime, you can spend with your loved ones: Joe was often hanging out with all those doped people inside the Kurts house. All of them are supported by Courtney morally / with money. One day, Kurt comes home, he hangs out with all this gang being nice, then step by step he becomes a bit high, then "some guy" and Dylan Carlson physically made Kurt go to the greenhouse to get one more shot of heroin telling everybody something like "PIs came to the house, and made photos, get out of here ASAP". Kurt is herded into the room above the garage. On the way out of home Joe sees how Kurt "totally f''d up" tries to go down the ladder from the room, but he is dragged back for another injection by Dylan and another person. All this time Cali DeWitt organizes everyone to go out of home and be as far as possible from police. Then Joe tells some different stuff like his girlfriend showed him Kurt laying on the floor of the grenhouse room in red dress (they saw it from the main house through the window). Which is strange, as Joe finished his story at the time he looked at how Kurt been pushed from the kitchen to the greenhouse. Then everybody quickly leaves the house. End.
Man i cant believe this but i had just finished watching this video like 30 minutes ago and at first i was like dam. But then i kept thinking about it and i actually got emotional and cried. I started thinking about what i could have done had i been there that night and part of Kurts friends circle. 😆 I sound like a whacky crazed out fanatic fan or something and its ridiculous but i kept thinking of things i could have done to stop Dylan and whoever fom getting Kurt back up to that greenhouse. I know people are gonna laugh or put down this comment of mine because it sounds crazy that i would have those thoughts. I was only like 16 years old when MTV announced the news that Kurt had been found dead. I cant remember if it was that same day or days later that it was reported that Kurt had died from an apparent self inflicted gun shot and that it was a suicide. My mom passed away a year ago now. She was 73 years old. I was really close to her. A mommas boy. Lol But after watching this video and having these thoughts it made me think of her because at the time in April of 1994 i was very upset about Kurts passing and i guess my mom had noticed this and thinking back i probably did talk to her about it and asked why would someone commit suicide. At 16 i was having difficulties in school and i have had depression and so long story short.....one day months later i had shown my mom a magazine with Kurt's picture on the cover talking about suicide. It might have been a newsweek magazine. I still have it somewhere. And i had ripped the cover off the magazine and taped it to the wall in my bedroom. One day i came into my room and saw that my mom had written on it in pen saying..... "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I love you son......Mommy xo" I wish Kurt were still here with us. Life is crazy huh? Ok I'll shut up now. 😆 ✌
You’re not alone in these feelings. I’m sorry to hear of the loss of your mother. That’s never easy 🩷 please watch our mini documentary. It really puts things into perspective. So many people besides Kurt lost their lives because of the narrative that was shoved down our throats regarding Kurt’s death. We’re not only pursuing justice for Kurt. We’re doing this for all the families of the copycat suicide victims also
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Thank you. I will watch the documentary. The copy cat suicides back then were so sad. But I'll be following you guys on your channel. Thanks for the work you are doing.
Ok, so what we have here is an alleged witness to a murder or at least someone who claims to have been there when a murder or something underhanded took place. Has he gone to the authorities with this information? Has a statement been made on the record allowing a proper investigation to be conducted so that his claims can be verified and potentially collaborated with other witnesses at the house at the time? If not, then I would suggest those releasing this information seek legal assistance and attempt to do this properly. Otherwise all we have here is a guy being filmed and interviewed by amateurs and trial by social media.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Have the authorities in question called the witness (and any other potential witnesses) in for questioning since this information was presented to them?
@@clicheguevara5282 it isn't about rather they care. It's about forcing their hand. No I'm not even remotely close to being "new" to this case. I am however thoroughly educated in what it takes to file a LEGAL case challenge. Something that has never once been done in this case.
Yes, but also Dylan talking on that Kurt and Courtney movie saying he has no idea . Tom grant adding to the BS from Dylan . So why we believed Dylan this whole time ? he was the biggest junkie and we still took him serious . its so bizarre .
@@bernadettepotenti301 yeah Joe has had some issues over the years. Namely, a car accident that severely affected his speech, cognitive abilities and took his arm. If you watch the mini documentary it tells the story much clearer.
This dude seems truthful to me ..but no way in hell is he credible whenbit comes to the law ...it takes him an hour to say one sentence ...bloody hell. Spit it out already
Kurt wrote out a interview and said most of what's in that letter like I am a poor little Posse the whole greenhouse was staged after death Justice for Kurt ❤
I dunno...I,m chilled by "Bonnie"👀Raiits song "something to talk about" right now🎶🎶🎶"let,s give em to talk about, a little mystery to figure out, how about "LOVE"👀(COURTNEY🤔maybe)...😮"
God keep us safe deal lord god loves u Jesus loves you and if you don’t belive please don’t put down my believes but I just hope u know there is a god and he loves you and I hope today you have a perfect day peaceful and with joys of love
I used to be in the drug scene for many years and I can totally see this playing out over some dumb sh!t. I've seen many of sketchy things happen even between friends. I can visualize it as he's explaining it.
@@Hunterstheory Exactly!! I’ve thought the same thing only it’s of a larger magnitude. They thought they had it made habits grew larger and they knew it was all coming to an end.
@@pattytracey3131 neither do we!!! Nathan Reimer, the cameraman/interviewer was highly unprofessional. Joe would ask for a break and Nathan would deny him and continue to throw more questions at him. He put him under a bright, hot light while completely exhausted. We're not lost on the fact that the interviewer did a shit job and that's one of the main reasons that we cut ties with him. The interviewer was given a handsome sum of money to go conduct this interview for us and he dropped the ball in a major way. Thankfully Joe knows that neither Michelle nor myself is at fault for how this interview was handled.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgDo you guys think there will be a time when you guys can have like a redo? Not that this is bad just saying like another sit down interview when he’s had sleep with better interviewers?
Kurt was wearing 4 pairs of pants when he died : jeans camouflage pants, sweatpants, long underpants, and underwear. If Kurt was shot at a hotel, pros would have used plastic drop cloths to avoid leaving a bloody mess of evidence. Where to put the mess? Perhaps in a duffel bag that would otherwise be for clothes. Then where do you put the clothes? On the body Also stiffens legs slightly making it easier to move him back to the greenhouse.
Hello wkk … have you considered contacting The Behaviour Panel channel guys? Maybe they would be interested in reviewing Josefs testimony? It could certainly draw more attention to this ..
It’s correct that body language is bogus. That’s why they call themselves The Behaviour Panel. Watch their stuff and tell me what’s bogus. If you’re confident that Josef is telling the truth, then what’s the issue… I can’t call it myself.. Who knows? Only Josef. If he’s willing to do a lie detector test….? Anyway if the Behaviour guys wanna review this footage there’s nothing you guys can do about it.
Quite simply if you believe Josef, but are unwilling to put him to the test.. reviewed by interrogators who work at high levels.. then you have no business investigating anything.
@@SoniaDanischewsky It's been well established that Joe has said he would submit to a lie detector test. I have watched the Behaviour Panel. I couldn't care less if they want to do an analysis on Joe. I'm just saying that their methods of determining whether a person is lying or not is an example of classic pseudoscience BS. They analyze "body language", to determine deception. Their analysis of Joe's body language has no credibility, in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I feel like all of this is just more false hope, and none of it will go anywhere or make anything happen. I want to be wrong about this, but I'm afraid I'm not.
Had to watch this in 1.25 speed just to have it seem like normal sentances. The pauses in between his words was just too much for me to handle at regular playback speed.
@@nadiajamesroper4947 to make it look like a suicide out of fear? I imagine a person might be a bit paranoid after giving a rock star of that level a lethal dose..idk take it with a grain of salt lol
Could be. They say he stops at some points to talk about it because it makes him physically ill (big proof he's not lying). Maybe it is because he knows Mark or Eric is involved. It must be horrible to remember..
Joe has been telling this same exact story for for years. We've spoken to people that Joe told this to as early as the late 90s. Until now, he's just never told it to anyone that was willing to do anything with it. Everyone wants to write a book or a screenplay and cash is rather than get this to the authorities. That is what is being done now.
Dude they killed Kurt….they shamed his name and made his memory one of a whiny little Pisces who just couldn’t hack it, when in fact he was about to shake the music world more than we could ever imagine and leave a toxic woman. Many Men know once you leave a toxic woman and gain your footing again sky is the limit. We were robbed of our generations voice.
Nailed it
Nah man that dude was messed up in the head
The greenhouse letter Kurt said in a interview at seaside Justice for Kurt ❤
@@dlt8807both are true, doesn’t mean shit
I hope people remember and realize that Courtney Love was just sued over allegations that she planned to kidnap and murder her son in law over the guitar that was used by Kurt in the unplugged performance. It isn't far-fetched to say she planned Kurt's murder as well
@@Proctor142 If she was going to kill him, why didn't she let him die in Rome?
Imagine slowly realizing that everyone of your "friends" you are hanging out with are all conspiring to murder one of your best friends. I cannot imagine. So awful. Long live Joe Burns 🫡🧠
he is so effing traumatized!! You can't blame him tho I would be too. Ugh talk about with friends like that... in his case he shoulda just had enemies...
All involved in his death should be charged and sent to prison for life
He def knows everything that happened and probably even played a role in it. You can tell he watched every single word he said not to incriminate himself or anyone else there who took part or witnessed it. He kept making excuses oh he has to go to bed and on and on...they had to basically force every last word out of him. That was his way of trying to get it off his conscience but he didn't at all. Half the stuff he said were probably lies. You can just tell he thought so so hard about every single word he said. That was probably the closest well ever get to knowing that it was 100% not sewacide.
@@Grace4_All Totally agree with you. This man struggles not because of withdrawal, but because he don't want to tell more than he thinks he should.
Dylan carlson just died in his sleep unfortunatly
The fact Dylan's dad was a high ranking member in the DoD (military intelligence) should be the breadcrumb to notice for anyone with knowledge of these things. His dark occult practices (read his song and album titles, if you know, you know) speak volumes as to who and what he is.
I've been saying the same thing for years! Along with Dave Grohls Father working for the White House as a Republican party speech writer! You can't make this shit up.
I did not know this about DC's father. That is very important information.
@@YettiManChannelyes, and he grew up somewhere close to Langley.
Look up Dave McGowan "weird scenes from the canyon". All the hippie bands of the 60's had ties with the military, or intelligence. It continued into the 70 and 80 with the punk bands, new wave, metal and eventually the grunge scene.
Yes I learned about that from other interviews and when Joe mentioned the occult literature I was like “ I knew it!”
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Even if this case doesn't, which it most likely won't, go anywhere, I truly think JB witnessed the beginning of the end that night. He may be sporadic, blinded by lights, and recovering day by day, but the dude witnessed enough shady shit, to honestly make me feel that Dylan was involved. First and foremost, Dylan is the Achilles Heel of this case, and WE will never get the truth.
I wholeheartedly believe Joe and personally want to thank him for doing this. After all of these years, missing puzzle pieces have finally been found, and fit the holes. Loosely, but they sum up what a lot of us "Cobaniacs" have known.
Ever since “Kurt and Courtney” came out on VHS I knew he had something to do with it. As a naive kid I thought he had shot Kurt’s dead body after Kurt accidentally overdosed cuz Dylan didn’t want the public to think Kurt was that bad of an addict and in a doped stupor thought suicide was a better look. Man was I one naive kid. They all wanted him dead. They’re all complicit in the murder.
Unless we get the classic deathbed confession from either Dylan or courtney. doubt it though
This guy is telling us the most important murder story of the last 40 years and no one cares!?!? I don’t understand
@@dereksendrak oh people are definitely paying attention! Once we get some media on everything we're working on the authorities won't have a choice but to listen!
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg I just mean this should have like MILLIONS of views! All over tik tok, insta, X, this should be EVERYWHERE
@@dereksendrak feel free to share!
@@dereksendraki wish too… it unfortunately is still considered fringe by many… not I though… I could picture all of this… especially with how he said Dylan was a little psycho… you can see that in his eyes when interviewed…. I would never trust him with my life…
Hard to trust a junkie who would push their own mother over to get to it, he’s of his face now…..not a credible witness, he’ll get torn apart if he goes on the stand
Should have let the man get a nap he's struggling and probably could have given us a better recall of what happened, it's almost cruel to do to the one person who can tell us what really happened
Yep what a botched oppportunity
I'm only 8 min in and I can't take it anymore. He can't complete a damn sentence for the life of him and moving all around is distracting. I can't follow his story it's too annoying
@@tmuder33 the way Kurt-truthers operate and behave is embarrassing. They just make everything worse. I've had to just give up on Kurt ever getting justice, and he changed my life as a teen and I've been a fan for 30 years. none of these people have been able to act with dignity and integrity, they all bicker and fall victims to their own ego and madness. Courtney must laugh at how hopeless they all are.
He talks ok when he's not recalling. It's trauma or avoidance i think.
A nap. The dude is stoned. He doesn't need a fucking nap.
Thank you so much, Joe! ❤
Thank you to Joe Burns & everyone involved with presenting this. There’s so much to unpack with the testimony overall, where to even begin?
For example, look at the Earth music video “Tallahassee”:
- Dylan & normal-on-the-surface looking dude go to a sketchy place to pick up an equally sketchy looking dude.
- Dylan arranges & purchases a gun with dude #1 onlooking.
- After picking up a girl and having a brief conversation with her, dude #1 becomes impatient and tells Dylan to hurry up.
- Dylan responds by preparing drugs.
- Girl starts to overdose.
- While overdosing, Dylan & dude #1 drag her back to the car and then dump her still-twitching body before driving away.
I bring this up not only for the thematic & literal parallels with Joe Burn’s account of how Kurt was murdered, but also the general belief of occult practitioners to hide their individual truths in plain sight…as Joe was hesitant to admit that Dylan was a said practitioner.
OK anyway, thanks again to Joe & everyone involved here.
- Justin Case
The literal translation for the word occult just means "hidden from the eye". There are "light" occult practitioners.
@@setitonfire19 - Absolutely, thank you for adding that very good point.
@@JustinCase-t9fWhen did Joe Burns ever talk about Dylan Carlson being into Satanism/Witchcraft? Very interesting. I also find it interesting that Dylan's Father works/worked at the DoD (Department of Defense). I think there's something behind that.
@@YettiManChannel During the last two minutes of “Joe Burns Raw Footage #2” on the Kurt’s Army channel, he discusses how Dylan, Kurt and him would read books on The Third Reich and the occult, including how the SS performed ancient rituals & alchemy. - Yes, I think Dylan’s father is a piece of this puzzle.
@@setitonfire19 Poor attempt at downplaying what happened.
Joe Burn is the Real Deal. Just put some heat on himself. Respect man. We all thank you. Better late than never
It is an hour and a half of him going um uh let me think uh.
That can happen when you do enough junk to lose an arm.I appreciate him taking the time to relay the stories.its obvious it’s painful to recall some of these things.
@@RawPower-69 "When Kurt wrote that song... Um yeah yeah... Yeah!"
Thank you Joe and everyone involved for the truth 🙏🏼
Man it's way more sad that he died this way rather than him doing it to himself. I grew up in these kind of drug circles and shit like this definitely went down. Really scary to think about and makes me really sad that a bunch of vultures took advantage and had their way with Kurt. Psychotic Satanic natured people took that little girls father away from her.
When someone has been through a lot of stress or trauma, I mean, A LOT of trauma, it can actually make it hard for them to communicate the way they want to, also memory. I am not saying that's happening here, like maybe there are other things, factors like being tired, health related stuff, but, I know that when I ended up with trauma, I noticed a big difference between my cognition now compared to the past, before those things happened.
Something that people don’t take into consideration is the fact that Joe suffered a major motorcycle accident that not only took his arm, but left him with lifelong cognitive disabilities along with speech delay. Joe also has addiction issues. So this all plays apart, not to mention the severe trauma that he’s lived with for the last 30 years.
This is worse than a dementia or Alzheimer’s patient. He can’t string two words together. Even being tired, you don’t talk like this. It sounded like he was high as a kite.
Joe is a HERO for coming out. Anyway we can do to help Joe?
I agree that almost everything. However we do not know why Bonnie all of a sudden wanted to leave. If she was sitting with (Oh god i can not remember) Jennifer or Jessica and then all of a sudden seh wanted to leave there is a possibility that Bonnie got told what was going to happen. and that why she wanted to leave.
I allways felt that Bonnie is the key to this thing.
But Bless Joe!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel sad watching this. I want a really good trauma specialist for Joe to help him.
There is a lot to be said about Joe being the kind of guy that wanted to get the girls out of there. Hugs Joe
If the interviewer had the voice in it it would sound a lot better.
@@JPSixgunner kick rocks
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This dudes high as a kite right now and trying his best to not incriminate himself but he dropped the ball on that one.because he waited over 30 years and didn't come forward immediately with this information pretty much makes him an accessory or at least guilty of obstruction.so this interview paid for his next fix.
I really hope and pray this case gets reopened and there is finally justice for Kurt. I have been going over this for 30 years in my head what happened to Kurt and who did it... I need to know... Kurt was my biggest inspiration when I was 16-20 and even after that but I couldn't listen to Nirvana anymore for 10 years after he died... it hurt too much.... I remember everything so well to this day.... the day I heard it on MTV by Kurt Loder, my sister and I crying and going to the park and sitting on the swings crying and her writing something to Kurt in the dirt.... watching that vigil on MTV and Courtney reading Kurt's "suicide note".... I wasn't sure what to believe and think back then and even I believed her lies.... I actually listened to her band for awhile after that happened.... but then I started hearing Kurt didn't kill himself so all these thoughts started going in my mind.... Courtney was involved.... I was so angry.... I wanted to know. I needed to know.... what happened to one of my favorite artists ever. He shaped my musical world in so many ways... I learned every song on guitar... I looked up to Kurt and Dave and Krist too... I remember kids at my high school not being in class for a week afterwards because they were so fucking sad. I was so sad too. I really pray this gets settled and those involved get put behind bars or put on death row moreso .......... I love Nirvana and I'm now 47 years old from a 16 year old high school kid who connected, like the many other kids at the time and even kids nowadays, who connect with Kurt and feel the teenage angst and feel different and are artistic people and musicians and his music and words made us feel good in our lives.... Kurt gave us some sort of hope. He was and still is our John Lennon. Kurt seemed like a wonderful human being. Wonderful soul who did not deserve this. I pray he will be brought to justice!!
You know if we can push this out and make everybody aware of what happened the authorities won’t have a choice but to reopen the case because this is a lead to an investigation and my man Kurt deserves some justice
@phantomx.t.v6610 it's coming! There's been some movement recently. The SPD recently reached out to our handwriting analyst to verify the handwriting analysis that we submitted in our initial challenge!
First thing I realized watching the first interview is that this guy is a drummer (I am too) and a tattoo artist and he can no longer do what he loves most in life, at least not like he used to, that broke my heart. Dude does not come off like some BS'er who's telling tall tales, hes realiy putting himself in danger by exposing all this.
It's a shame he couldn't stay sober for the interview but I 100% understand why he didn't.
I thought he was on medication?
Oh he was. Street meds, that's why he could barely stay awake. If you've ever been sedated you know how hard it is to stay awke and focused. @Bananenbennie
Just remember Keefe D went on some UA-cam interviews and wrote a book about he and his cousin (and Diddy) murdered Tupac. No one thought it would ever be solved .... Now look at em .... Just saying there's hope
@@PtolomëCravencraft there is Definitely hope! The authorities won't be able to ignore the forensic report that is in the works! 2025 is going to be our year.
if youve ever been that tired, then you know how tired he was. Imagine if you rescheduled your trip home and interviewed him the next day after he got sleep. In depth detail about who was around the house after kurt was gone but before he was found and who might have been up and down from the greenhouse during that time is pretty important. He knows alot more than he said right here
@@tyler4964 unfortunately the guy that we hired to shoot and conduct the interview for us was highly inexperienced and unprofessional. He should have never put Joe on camera as tired as he was and he should have never kept pushing when Joe clearly needed a break and was exhausted. To make matters worse, when he did finally allow Joe to go back to his room to sleep he went and woke him up a few short hours later and threw him back in front of the camera. The quality of his interview and how badly it was handled is not lost on us. Thankfully Joe knows that we aren't at fault and we're no longer associated in any way with cameraman/interviewer that dropped the ball on this.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg We do appreciate you securing this interview, I'll put up with stumbling around to hear what this guy has to say. I totally believe he was there at the house when Kurt got back from LA. It isn't the whole story but it's an interesting chapter without a doubt.
@WhoKilledKurtOrg I'm not sure of I've asked this before or if it's relevant now but is it possible to conduct another interview with Joe? And what would the cost be?
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgif you gave an actual shit about quality control, not to mention the subject matter, wouldn't you do it yourself...
That's kind of weak to me to get someone else and have no-one there to supervise.
@@Leftcrowproductions it would be possible to conduct another interview with Joe but the truth of the matter is that we just don't have the money for it. We're working on this from all over the world. We spent thousands out of pocket on this one. The reason that we sent the guy that we did was because he was the closest and it was the cheapest route. We still had to pay for airfare, multiple hotel rooms, equipment rentals, car rentals, expenses while there. We're working on some other things that have been extremely expensive and right now we just don't have the resources to interview Joe again at this time. We've got what we needed for the authorities. This is a lot bigger than just Joe. While he is an important piece of the puzzle, he's not the only piece.
He's still holding back. I could sense he's still scared to say too much.
No he is sick and high I fell bad for him but he’s recalling from memory so that is good but these people all failed Kurt he’s parents and people around him he met Courtney then died 1+1=2 Courtney love had somthing to do with it and it gave her 400 million and a career she’s a sick woman
Looks like medication as well like largatal side effects what he's doing with his shoulder
@@meanttobe3563 Had a disa agreement with my dad as he thinks 100% he killed himself.Kurts door was 🔒 from the inside my dad said so how could anyone kill him.
That was false tell your dad to quit spouting 30 year old mainstream news garbage
@@waynesilverman3048 That is incorrect. You need to go over the details of the case with your father. Make him watch soaked in bleach for starters. I am probably older than your father, 55, and have followed this case from the beginning. When you have a list of things that do not make sense it's pretty easy to see something is not adding up. To be honest, most people of average intelligence who read all the details of the case will at least, admit a possibility of foul play. If it means something for you, to have your dad see your side of it, feed him reputable information.
It took a few sittings to get through this version, honestly it's like Joe was being tortured by sleep deprivation then interrogated relentlessly and people wonder why he seems so out of it. I'd love to know what this would have been like if he had been allowed to sleep some and be fresh for it, as he was practically begging to do. I believe him fully though. He was under a lot of pressure we can't imagine besides being so tired and whatever else. THANKS JOE YOU'RE A HERO and it sounds like you were Kurt's only REAL friend in the house that night. How can people live with themselves?
@@garybennett410 that's exactly what happened and is exactly why we're not longer associated with the cameraman that grossly mishandled this interview. Thankfully Joe knows that wasn't our fault. Had we been gone and done the interview ourselves it would have gone a lot differently.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Still it is great to have this information and THANK YOU for your diligence and dedication.
I set the video to be twice the speed and it’s much easier to digest
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg ? Dignity by waiting would be respectful. Offering Joe an opportunity to redo. Perhaps he's happy, so, I am happy.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgare you planning on going back to do the interview again ?
Good job trying to keep Joe on track... looks difficult. But I hope we get another witness as well. Wish Jess hopper would give any info she knows.
I was shure that I would'nt ever hear a True story and then after 30yrs latter, about one of the legends "death"-murder now as we hear, of iconic Curt Cobain😔😪RIP. And WORLD ☝️ it's so important for music legends and history to finally this came out.
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Long story short, Kurt wasn't alone that night. When you hear the autopsy he wasn't just "fast-talked" up to the greenhouse with all the wounds to his body. Endlessly tragic that he was murdered in his own home by squatters he didn't want there, people he doesn't know and who he thought was his best friend. This man obviously has nothing left to lose. I believe he's telling the truth. It's no wonder the Seattle PD conducted no investigation. They were obviously in on the operation. Who are these "PI's" taking incriminating pictures of them? Tom Grant? I just find it hard to believe Kurt would associate with this Nazi. As Courtney says in a video showing off his clothes, "Kurt died in this, I had to wash blood out of it." His brown corduroy coat from Rome, not in the crime scene photos...
What damage did his body show in the autopsy other than the gunshot wound?
Dylan is the plug we already know that. Maybe he had dope for Kurt and they didn't want to share with Joe? Could the situation where things got serious and they want Joe and Bonnie to leave is because they're not sharing their dope that night. What is really strange is Kurt was missing for days and apparently, according to Joe, Dylan knows Kurt hangs out in that greenhouse yet Dylan doesn't take the PI( Tom I think )up there when they were looking for Kurt. Dylan would know Kurt hangs out up there yet an electrician finds the body? How convenient none of the Klingons, anyone that hangs out at Kurts house, wouldn't find him. Its strange Dylan and some unknown dude are all over Kurt.
The biggest part I can't digest about the official cause is I saw that damn shotgun, and I'm about kurts size, and I can't see see reaching that trigger with that barrel anywhere near my face, its simply too long. Then too many things don't add up after that.
What gets me is the gun was laying on his chest not still in his mouth
@@christysayers41 I'm not saying Kurt killed himself, but most people who commit suicide aren't found with the gun still in their mouth.
God bless you Joe, Lisa, Michelle and everyone ❤
Dylan pulled the trigger
So Dylan had a fascination about death and wanted to see someone die ... Listen carefully everyone
@@AlbaFolk thank u for that. I'll definitely check it out
Also said he would be a famous serial killer if he didn't make it big in music.
This is hard to watch. I want a professional trauma therapist with him to help.
Dylan is a asshole always knew somthing was up truth is when he seen Kurt had a gun he should have went to police the man was said to have tryed to kill himself and Dylan knew he had a gun how dumb even for protection I would have gave it to him if I had to then call police on Kurt and tell them he has a gun that right there shows they all wanted Kurt to die for the 400 million he had a target on his back and a lot of junkies around him he was probley binding from Courtney and not telling anyone where he was cause he knew all these junkies not joe but all the rest was looking to kill him for money sick Courtney michell Harrison is evil
Kurt's dead and Dylan's walking around living his best life, maybe look into Slim and those other dudes who hang with Dylan
100 percent true. Best interview there has ever been regarding Kurt.😱😱😔
This is incredible! I've literally spent all day binge watching this channel.
Glad you enjoy it!
Stay tuned! We’re working on changing history and we have some thing coming 🩷
Adjust playback speed to x1.5… You’re welcome.
You the mvp thanks for reminding me about that lol
Man the picture Joe paints it’s dark and sad as hell..
You have to have A LOT of patience to listen to Joe. I'm not sure if he's tired, or high or sick but it takes him forever to get a thought out. It makes sense what he's saying...but the form of expressing himself is torturous.
Looks like Joe lose his arm due to life of drug abuse . Sounds like Joe afraid of Dylan and other men attacking him for exposing Kurt killers
Why did yall have a bright ass light in this mans face the whole time?
We didn’t. The people that we paid to conduct the interview for us did though. We sent them with a very clear outline for this interview. They were supposed to make Joe comfortable and do things on his time and instead they more less pulled a police interrogation on him. We had paid for four days for the interview to take place and Nathan Reimer, the cameraman, insisted on squeezing everyone into less than two days. The interview was grossly mishandled and that is not lost on us.
If you’re 100% sold on Josefs testimony without scrutinising him further, then you have no business investigating a murder or a suicide.
This footage needs to be reviewed by professionals and Jo needs to be interviewed by professionals.
WKK have forwarded the footage onto the SPD and others. They are doing a lot behind the scenes. Perhaps ask them rather than assume stuff
@@MoonMaiden6779 yeah? It seems they don’t respond to any comments that aren’t “Yay! Now we know the truth!”
@@SoniaDanischewsky really because we respond to almost everything. I didn't see your comment. Joe's testimony had been filled with the SPD, city attorney, mayor, and king county district attorney. We're currently putting together a more comprehensive case challenge and we also just paid a forensic expert 8k to analyze the case. Aside from that we have hired a certified gun expert that has crime scene experience, along with a pathologist. We have received preliminary reports that support homicide. We hope to be able to share some of this information publicly as soon as possible.
Well good job,it sounds to me like he is telling the truth
@williamsmith-ff3mr it's obvious he is telling telling the truth
Remember, nature is a mirror. If you believe it wont go anywhere because you resonate negatively/realistically, then it will struggle to ever see daylight! But if are open, its over, and history is about to do the most beautiful rewrite we've ever seen
Kurt left his shit at rehab but still has all receipts ect. In his pockets staged all the way
@@christysayers41 definitely staged!
Yo that sounds scary af! What a negative energy creeping in Kurt’s kitchen, wtf Dylan wtf Cali and whoever the other two guys are
He’s straining to talk because he’s telling the truth.
PS it was cool and heartwarming to see him lighten up when mentioning the great Morbid Angel, Carcass and early Slayer.
Yessssssss! Carcass fans are far and few! 🤘
@@FTW_666 a typical response when your under a lot of stress is your body starts wanting to shut down and you start feeling tired. You can tell this weighs pretty heavy on him
It’s cuz he’s a full blown end stage 4 junkie. He’s struggling to keep a single thought strait cuz his brain is cooked like those commercials we saw in the nineties with the eggs.
south of heaven..
@@FTW_666 he’s straining to talk cuz he’s higher than skeeters peeter lol
Joe Burns knows he is putting his life online talking about all of this, but he is doing the right thing, tho.
When someone OD or shady shit happens people run I get it
The question of how Kurt's jacket and aviator hat got into the greenhouse would be interesting. Did he carry that with him? It would also be interesting to know whether he was able to attribute the shot and the question of why he didn't go to the police after the body was discovered. I also have a question... If Kurt was wearing a red dress in the greenhouse, he must have put it on there and then changed again, because he wasn't found dead in the red dress. It breaks my heart that Joe instinctively knew something was happening there but Kurt couldn't be saved. Eric came from L.A. Because Courtney gave him the last note because she expanded it by a few sentences
I'm sorry but...this is painful to sit through and try and be patient trying to listen to this guy tell his account of the events that unfolded the night of Kurt's death..
@@jonnyfavors7585 it's really not that hard. Watch the mini doc. It tells a much clearer story.
How muting your voice does protect you, against who?
Joe was afraid to talk about some rituals in Kurt's house?
What kind of private detectives were filming him and other people in the house? Were they police officers or detectives hired by Courtney other than Tom Grant? Or Grant's contractors?
If so many people and witnesses were in the house that evening, April 4, why did they decide to kill him in front of witnesses, and not do it later, when Cali could have thrown everyone out of the house?
It covers our asses if the interviewers that we hired to conduct the interview and are no longer associated with would want to start trouble over publishing their voices.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgI think it doesn't matter who interviewed Joe.
@@SeverDac that's easy to say when you're not the one in the position to be sued?
Don't think there were any rituals in Kurt's house. I guess they were just intrigued by gloomy stuff, which may be a side effect of opiates. Seems like, they did not know much about nazi rituals. Otherwise they would have known that not Goebbels, but Himmler was into occult stuff. Himmler on the other hand was inspired by a real weirdo - unfortunately I do not recall his name at the moment- but he was totally insane and nobody took him serious, except Himmler.
Why has no one thought to ask Joe if he knows el Duce or Allen wrench? I know we all wrote those guys off pretty quick for many reasons but it’s still a thought and doesn’t hurt to ask
Because the interviewer was an idiot that did a really bad job and had no research done. And not letting him take a break or snack . Awful . This is not Michelle asking the questions..
The LAPD & SPD were both contacted that Eldon and the store owner, that witnessed Courtney solicit the death of Kurt via shotgun, were being truthful/passed top-tier lie detector test. Courtney was in LA during the Nirvana concert in December when she met up with Eldon. Her number is on record calling the store. Her team of attorneys denied everything.
We have asked Joe about this. He is positive that neither of them had anything to do with it and were not present that night. However he said that he believes that Courtney probably made the same offer to multiple people leading up to Kurt’s murder.
These dudes doing the interview are pushing him way too hard. He's obviously exhausted! They couldn't let him take a couple-hour nap? They come off as straight assholes.
Yeah it was fucked up the way that they handled this interview. Especially with what everything cost because they were acting like two little princesses. Thankfully Joe knows that isn't our fault. If we had been able to go ourselves this whole thing would've gone a lot differently
HELL AWAITS. (Ive the Logo tatted on my skull) . Greatest thrash band to ever do it.
Get this man some food and money and a fix. Whatever helps him to properly describe what he saw.
I had been saying that on all these channels , chris todd is a big baby and he deletes comments . I dint think that was on Michelle, but the guys that were talking to him , I agree with you how much is a freaking hotel room , a nice meal and some time to relax right ?
Someone please edit this down to the 10 minutes it would be with out all the smacky breaks in between. I had to take a break 5 times because it was hurting my head.
Watch at 1.5x speed
For this to be an open and shut case boggles my mind! Kurt was the cash cow and had a house full of people and they want us to believe he unalived himself all alone?? GTFOH..Rip kurt. I hope i see justice for you in my lifetime!
@@kursed01 I think we’re going to see it reopened this year!
Joe could be lucid when talking about what he was saying off the top of his head but during questions I think he was structuring his words carefully and possibly a bit high. I remember the day Kurt was found as a young kid once I was older I was certain Cali Dewitt did it or knew the note,rosemary’s true thoughts while finding out she was being recorded,Courtney practicing Kurt’s writing.Joe did paint a picture that seems very plausible to me. #JusticeForKurt
Cali was about 17 years old wheñ he did this, its so knivving and icky ...Joe seemes like he was more around Kurts age . Justice and truth ...Joe is tired of having it on his conscience for way too long good on him for being honest
Does that mean that kurt was charmed by dylan cleverness of every insights he have? Although maybe joe doesn't want to use the word 'manipulating' to describe kurt and dylan friendship
It's kinda strange that he doesn't describe the other guy was he big or small... It would be the natural inclination if you didn't know the name of someone..
Sounldve released it like this from the beginning.. this is great tho
Do yourself a favor and play this at x 1.75 speed
In a now deleted post Francis said to Courtney that she would build her a green house like above the garage and let her live her last days with her cats in it odd thing to say to ur mom knowing her father died in a garage green house type place I think bean knows something n she stays away from Courtney cause she don’t want to be around the sickness she’s a sick woman
Do you remember what year she said that?
Wow¡¡!!!
I knew Kurt liked some metal I just knew it ❤
Metal Church came from Aberdeen and they were huge with us metalheads in the early to mid 1980's. Metal Church was up there with Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Slayer.
@@ponzo1967 Yeah that's right. Aberdeen was the home of a few great musicians. Kurdt Vanderhoof of Metal Church was one, and. of course, Kurt/Kurdt Cobain. I believe Buzz Osbourne, Dale Crover, Matt Lukin, and Krist Novoselic, were from that area too.
Cobain liked Andy Wallace's Slayer productions so much that he used him for the Nevermind mix. I'm pretty sure Kurt liked Iron Maiden as well.
@@heightenedsenses9605 I heard it was. AW was a master at making noisy bands more commercial sounding, such as Motley Crue and Slayer. It worked like a charm, I just don't think Kurt imagined it becoming as commercially appealing as it did.
@@heightenedsenses9605 look at his album cover, he knew what he was doing regardless of what he's said.
wish they had 5x speed option
you should do another interview when he is not so tired
He def knows everything that happened and probably even played a role in it. You can tell he watched every single word he said not to incriminate himself or anyone else there who took part or witnessed it. He kept making excuses oh he has to go to bed and on and on...they had to basically force every last word out of him. That was his way of trying to get it off his conscience but he didn't at all. Half the stuff he said were probably lies. You can just tell he thought so so hard about every single word he said. That was probably the closest well ever get to knowing that it was 100% not sewacide.
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Hell awaits is obviously the superior slayer album.
Agreed.
Fun fact: KK admitted he gave up trying to compose and play actual decent solos for RIB and just shat out those atonal abominations.
I hope Joe is well
Okay, I'm less than 1 minute in, just been curious. But I really want to send good wishes and prayers (not Christian, though) to him. He is certainly not well and needs someone who cares and some luck!
EDIT: It's way to painful to watch. Hope someone reaches out to him! What ever you think why, this guy is in danger. Someone really needs to support him and maybe sponsor some rehab? Isn't there a possibility to establish a fund? I'm not from the US, have no experiences with something like that and my to-do list is almost absurd, but I'd really like to support this at least a little bit!
We've done all of those things. Joe wasn't interested in going to rehab anytime we've asked. We've tried to help him line up housing, assistance programs, and numerous other things.
I would love to have him put into a rehab... maybe we could start a gofundme page for Joe to get into rehab, explain his story, etc.... I am sure a lot of people would definitely chip in.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg That's sad. Imho he isn't even old yet. Guess it would take centuries to convince him to give it a try.
@@TheLifeOfABorderlineyeah but doing that against someone’s will is just not ok… as much as we all would like to help
I wonder if you guys ever tought about interviewing Gus Van Sant?
The movie has a couple of leads, like "Cali" saying "everything is under control" on the phone and that look in Blake's eyes in the end when the door in the greenhouse opens...
And the red dress...
GVS knew something...
Didn't Joe say he saw Kurt wearing a red dress in this vid?
@@NearHavana Perhaps.. Definitely interested in watching the film.
Courtney has the red dresses. I spoke with her dad Hank too, before he died. He said she was pretending to be backstage at a concert at this very same exact time when she is obsessing over Kurt. Hank told me she had a private jet and could fly anywhere anytime. I think they brought Kurt up to her, where the shotg*n they had bought was already up there prepared to meet him as well...
@@TheLifeOfABorderline Dylan bought the gun for Kurt because Kurt had said there was recent break ins at the house and Kurt didn't want the cops taking his guns away like they did when Courtney claimed he locked himself in his room and said he was suicidal.
@davidmajchrzak462 Did you know that criminals lie? Most people don't seem to know that fact... but criminals Actually do lie... seriously... they do...
... "best f...n friends" doped guys, none of them even tried to stop the murder of their "friend" which they witnessed live. So pathetic and sad at the same time. In normal words, there were not a single person in that house that was Kurts friend by any meaning.
TLDR: to save your precious lifetime, you can spend with your loved ones: Joe was often hanging out with all those doped people inside the Kurts house. All of them are supported by Courtney morally / with money. One day, Kurt comes home, he hangs out with all this gang being nice, then step by step he becomes a bit high, then "some guy" and Dylan Carlson physically made Kurt go to the greenhouse to get one more shot of heroin telling everybody something like "PIs came to the house, and made photos, get out of here ASAP". Kurt is herded into the room above the garage. On the way out of home Joe sees how Kurt "totally f''d up" tries to go down the ladder from the room, but he is dragged back for another injection by Dylan and another person. All this time Cali DeWitt organizes everyone to go out of home and be as far as possible from police. Then Joe tells some different stuff like his girlfriend showed him Kurt laying on the floor of the grenhouse room in red dress (they saw it from the main house through the window). Which is strange, as Joe finished his story at the time he looked at how Kurt been pushed from the kitchen to the greenhouse. Then everybody quickly leaves the house. End.
It saddens me more and more. I wrote a song for Kurt. If anyone cares to listen, I'd deeply appreciate it. ✌🏼
You need to learn to twerk and then people will care.
Man i cant believe this but i had just finished watching this video like 30 minutes ago and at first i was like dam. But then i kept thinking about it and i actually got emotional and cried. I started thinking about what i could have done had i been there that night and part of Kurts friends circle. 😆 I sound like a whacky crazed out fanatic fan or something and its ridiculous but i kept thinking of things i could have done to stop Dylan and whoever fom getting Kurt back up to that greenhouse. I know people are gonna laugh or put down this comment of mine because it sounds crazy that i would have those thoughts. I was only like 16 years old when MTV announced the news that Kurt had been found dead. I cant remember if it was that same day or days later that it was reported that Kurt had died from an apparent self inflicted gun shot and that it was a suicide. My mom passed away a year ago now. She was 73 years old. I was really close to her. A mommas boy. Lol But after watching this video and having these thoughts it made me think of her because at the time in April of 1994 i was very upset about Kurts passing and i guess my mom had noticed this and thinking back i probably did talk to her about it and asked why would someone commit suicide. At 16 i was having difficulties in school and i have had depression and so long story short.....one day months later i had shown my mom a magazine with Kurt's picture on the cover talking about suicide. It might have been a newsweek magazine. I still have it somewhere. And i had ripped the cover off the magazine and taped it to the wall in my bedroom. One day i came into my room and saw that my mom had written on it in pen saying..... "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I love you son......Mommy xo"
I wish Kurt were still here with us. Life is crazy huh? Ok I'll shut up now. 😆 ✌
You’re not alone in these feelings. I’m sorry to hear of the loss of your mother. That’s never easy 🩷 please watch our mini documentary. It really puts things into perspective. So many people besides Kurt lost their lives because of the narrative that was shoved down our throats regarding Kurt’s death. We’re not only pursuing justice for Kurt. We’re doing this for all the families of the copycat suicide victims also
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Thank you. I will watch the documentary. The copy cat suicides back then were so sad. But I'll be following you guys on your channel. Thanks for the work you are doing.
Im gonna have terrible nigthmares tonight again😢
Ok, so what we have here is an alleged witness to a murder or at least someone who claims to have been there when a murder or something underhanded took place. Has he gone to the authorities with this information? Has a statement been made on the record allowing a proper investigation to be conducted so that his claims can be verified and potentially collaborated with other witnesses at the house at the time? If not, then I would suggest those releasing this information seek legal assistance and attempt to do this properly. Otherwise all we have here is a guy being filmed and interviewed by amateurs and trial by social media.
@@steadyoneddie yes his statement has been presented to the authorities along with other new forensic evidence
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg Have the authorities in question called the witness (and any other potential witnesses) in for questioning since this information was presented to them?
You must be BRAND NEW to this topic if you think the authorities care about new evidence. Lol
@@clicheguevara5282 it isn't about rather they care. It's about forcing their hand. No I'm not even remotely close to being "new" to this case. I am however thoroughly educated in what it takes to file a LEGAL case challenge. Something that has never once been done in this case.
People who have been awake “for days” on drugs do not have accurate memories.
Yes, but also Dylan talking on that Kurt and Courtney movie saying he has no idea . Tom grant adding to the BS from Dylan . So why we believed Dylan this whole time ? he was the biggest junkie and we still took him serious . its so bizarre .
Well Joe has been singing the same song sotospeak about what happened since the late 90s and the details haven't changed!
I'm having a hard time getting through this
@@bernadettepotenti301 yeah Joe has had some issues over the years. Namely, a car accident that severely affected his speech, cognitive abilities and took his arm. If you watch the mini documentary it tells the story much clearer.
Can someone post a short summary of what he's actually saying? It's almost painful to watch, lol.
This dude seems truthful to me ..but no way in hell is he credible whenbit comes to the law ...it takes him an hour to say one sentence ...bloody hell. Spit it out already
The majority of witnesses in cases like this are either addicts or jail house snitches. How long he takes to say something means nothing.
#justiceforkurt
Kurt wrote out a interview and said most of what's in that letter like I am a poor little Posse the whole greenhouse was staged after death Justice for Kurt ❤
Joe is confusing the hell out of AI that's for sure
@@brentharp1226 what?
lol.
I dunno...I,m chilled by "Bonnie"👀Raiits song "something to talk about" right now🎶🎶🎶"let,s give em to talk about, a little mystery to figure out, how about "LOVE"👀(COURTNEY🤔maybe)...😮"
🤔😱🤯
Can someone summarise this guys testimony?
@@jasonladd6400 check out our mini dock on our channel. It's summarizes everything perfectly
God keep us safe deal lord god loves u Jesus loves you and if you don’t belive please don’t put down my believes but I just hope u know there is a god and he loves you and I hope today you have a perfect day peaceful and with joys of love
I used to be in the drug scene for many years and I can totally see this playing out over some dumb sh!t. I've seen many of sketchy things happen even between friends. I can visualize it as he's explaining it.
@@Hunterstheory Exactly!! I’ve thought the same thing only it’s of a larger magnitude. They thought they had it made habits grew larger and they knew it was all coming to an end.
@@Hunterstheory They grew accustomed to feeding off his fame and fortune.
I only worked somewhere where guys had a second “job” dealing drugs and talked about it openly.
@@InkedMisfit🎯
Not appreciating the way Joe was treated.
@@pattytracey3131 neither do we!!! Nathan Reimer, the cameraman/interviewer was highly unprofessional. Joe would ask for a break and Nathan would deny him and continue to throw more questions at him. He put him under a bright, hot light while completely exhausted. We're not lost on the fact that the interviewer did a shit job and that's one of the main reasons that we cut ties with him. The interviewer was given a handsome sum of money to go conduct this interview for us and he dropped the ball in a major way. Thankfully Joe knows that neither Michelle nor myself is at fault for how this interview was handled.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrg thank you for clearing that up.
@@WhoKilledKurtOrgDo you guys think there will be a time when you guys can have like a redo? Not that this is bad just saying like another sit down interview when he’s had sleep with better interviewers?
20:16 i asked Dylan about a month ago.. he said raining blood was his favorite over hell awaits
Why isn't Dylan in prison?
Kurt was wearing 4 pairs of pants when he died : jeans camouflage pants, sweatpants, long underpants, and underwear. If Kurt was shot at a hotel, pros would have used plastic drop cloths to avoid leaving a bloody mess of evidence. Where to put the mess? Perhaps in a duffel bag that would otherwise be for clothes. Then where do you put the clothes? On the body
Also stiffens legs slightly making it easier to move him back to the greenhouse.
Was maybe one of the sketchy guys Allen Wrench? El Duce slipped his name in that doc and he's bragged in the past he was the one to do it.
It was not Allen Wrench
Hello wkk … have you considered contacting The Behaviour Panel channel guys? Maybe they would be interested in reviewing Josefs testimony? It could certainly draw more attention to this ..
body language analysis is bogus
It’s correct that body language is bogus. That’s why they call themselves The Behaviour Panel. Watch their stuff and tell me what’s bogus.
If you’re confident that Josef is telling the truth, then what’s the issue…
I can’t call it myself.. Who knows? Only Josef. If he’s willing to do a lie detector test….?
Anyway if the Behaviour guys wanna review this footage there’s nothing you guys can do about it.
Quite simply if you believe Josef, but are unwilling to put him to the test.. reviewed by interrogators who work at high levels.. then you have no business investigating anything.
@@SoniaDanischewsky It's been well established that Joe has said he would submit to a lie detector test. I have watched the Behaviour Panel. I couldn't care less if they want to do an analysis on Joe. I'm just saying that their methods of determining whether a person is lying or not is an example of classic pseudoscience BS. They analyze "body language", to determine deception. Their analysis of Joe's body language has no credibility, in my opinion.
@@debr976 Correct, body language is bogus.. that’s why they call themselves The Behaviour Panel.
#justiceforkurt
Unfortunately, I feel like all of this is just more false hope, and none of it will go anywhere or make anything happen. I want to be wrong about this, but I'm afraid I'm not.
I'm so glad I've never been hooked on drugs ,alcohol ,tobacco, etc.and I still have a good thinking brain
He was in a really bad motorcycle accident so don't judge dude
@@Proctor142that’s how he lost his arm?
Thank you for this reply! Everyone loves a judge without all the information
I never heard joe say it was Tom Grant
Courtny was blowing bily corgen and talkin shit about kurt. she also was anabling kurt to pass
Had to watch this in 1.25 speed just to have it seem like normal sentances. The pauses in between his words was just too much for me to handle at regular playback speed.
accidental overdose turned into a conspiracy ...?
And the shotgun ?
@@nadiajamesroper4947 to make it look like a suicide out of fear? I imagine a person might be a bit paranoid after giving a rock star of that level a lethal dose..idk take it with a grain of salt lol
Joe bUrns cant remember the other guys name..its probably Mark Lanegan
Could be. They say he stops at some points to talk about it because it makes him physically ill (big proof he's not lying). Maybe it is because he knows Mark or Eric is involved. It must be horrible to remember..
Why has not Joe come up years ago with all of this ?
Joe has been telling this same exact story for for years. We've spoken to people that Joe told this to as early as the late 90s. Until now, he's just never told it to anyone that was willing to do anything with it. Everyone wants to write a book or a screenplay and cash is rather than get this to the authorities. That is what is being done now.