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Dylan has a sadness in his voice. I can only hope that he gets over his hurt.
The shake in his voice just shows how much he’s been through. I just want to give him a hug😔
Remember that we do not get over things- we work through them. I too hope that Dylan works through what he has experienced and knows that he has purpose and insight.
@@christinamarsh5388 I totally agree.
i can’t even imagine the trauma he faces with surviving two mass shootings. i honestly don’t even think that’s something a person can get “over” really, especially knowing it can happen again by just going out in public :(
it will take time and work for his situation to better. he may never even ‘get over it’ completely. but yes, hopefully he has gotten help that has been helped it get as better as possible.
Did Dylan say he was a two time mass shooting survivor?? Any shooting is horrible, imagine living through it twice
Agreed but I think that was Dylan
People do it everyday. Military,police, impoverished areas like Chicago
@@bootsontheground9998 Do you understand what shooting means ? Killing unarmed people. Police and military have guns. Chicago has a high crime state, not a shooting problem.
it was dylan
Absolutely horrific :( All my best wishes for him to have a smooth recovery ❤️😔
Damn that guy who's been through two shootings. I can't even imagine the amount of pain he's experienced. I hope he's doing ok. That's extremely terrifying.
he needs a hug
@@kingace6186 yo mama!
@@SaulTNuts-km4vs how old are you?
@@Geck_Gxng 9 why
Lol, imagine growing up in the hood
Imagine a country where to feel safe going to the movies or supermarket you need to carry a gun because you're afraid of other people who have guns. It's actually hilarious
Not just guns. I’m scared of getting attacked by someone even if they had no weapons at all. It’s not that their scared of other peoples guns lol
@@erinnn5790 well if that's how you feel living in the US I really feel sorry for you. In my entire life I've never been worried about having a gun pulled on me or being shot. And I'll go hunting a couple of times a year with friends where we use rifles etc.
@@Both-Barracuda I don’t really worry about Guns being pulled out on me or being shot. More so being physically attacked (with no weapons), being kidnapped, or raped. If I had a gun, no crazy person would be able to lol
@@Both-Barracuda i didnt own a gun until the riots started. I drive through a major city for work, when the protests started i seen people being assualted in the streets and in their vehicles. I bought a gun to have while im on the road. Recently meth has been a growing issue in my community, so i got another one for the home. I have a family, im in the mountains, it could be a 5, 15, 25 minutes before police arrive and i may not have that kind of time to wait. On top of that we have bears so yea.
I carry a gun so I'm more likely to have the one up on someone else who threatens to harm me, myself or my property that Ive slaved to have. It's about preservation. Preservation of my life and it's associated happiness and comfort. Anyone that wants to try and take that should think twice. Anybody who would allow another person to take what they work hard for are losers in my opinion.
i’m really glad jubilee doesn’t shy away from serious topics because they need to be talked about so change can be made
yeessssss
Kalei Porter if you live in America, I’m sorry but I think your country is way too divided for this to change. Gun crime is an accepted norm in your country and therefore people think they need guns to protect themselves, leading to more intentional and unintentional shooting deaths, cycle continues..
@@motormusique we can't even hope for things to change if we just refuse to talk about it. Conversations are important.
I personally think that no change (or minimal) is needed on that subject, but I do agree with you that jubilee is doing a good job by not shying away from these topics and these are subjects that need to be talked about.
that is why I love this channel, serious conversations and great topics
Hayden’s point about how he doesn’t think a teacher would be able to shoot one of their own students is so powerful and something I really had not thought of before
Yeah true. Good level of empathy
This is my point of view as well. I have talked to people about the inability of a teacher to end the life of a student when their whole purpose is to help the students create a great life. Im glad he said it because it is a great point and I was worried it would be missed.
There are teachers unfortunately that violate the trust students have in them.
elizabeth he has to mature quickly after being involved in such trauma.
Yeah but it's a fallacy, the personal incredulity fallacy. Honestly, arming teachers just creates more problems than it solves. You have to train them, ensure that the guns are safely put away, do background screening, etc. Also, there's also the fact that even trained policer often have troubles identifying the suspect in these shooting.
why would she say “shooting is fun” in front of a group of people who were in and have lost people to mass shooting
Definitely a bad choice of words but she isint wrong
She should read the room a little better but, objectively, she isn't wrong.
Right
@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 shooting in cod
This has nothing to do with the subject but I love your pfp😌
would love to see a conversation like this between people from different countries. as a singaporean, this entire conversation is actually insane because i’ve never ever seen an actual gun before in my whole entire life but i still feel extremely safe walking around alone at night
There you’re answer your not an American so worry about your country and stop sticking your nose into other country business. Because you egotistical clowns are gonna say “well my country has this” or “ban it because I’m offended”. So please sh*t up
I am an American born and raised. Growing up I was a supporter of Gun Control. There was a time when I believed that no one needed an AR-15 my Dad took me to the range and we shot his new AR. I then learned more about it and gun control's history the statistics and my opinion changed. I am a 2nd Amendment advocate for all not just citizens of the United States, but for everyone.
I heard that even pepper spray is banned in Singapore because it can also be used as a weapon.
I did know somewhat that Singapore is considered safe but not that safe. Which I think is cool and life is so much more enjoyable without the fear of getting shot everywhere at any given moment.
I am from Croatia and my country is pretty safe too. It was even named alongside Slovenia to be one of the safest places at night...especially for women, which is dope. And as a woman I can agree. I can walk in the middle of the night alone without fear...well the only thing I could be afraid of is the darkness itself xD
As a brazilian, I don't feel safe at all, even if it's illegal to own a gun in my country. Criminals still have them and there are still mass shootings at schools all the time.
People can't help but feel frustrated that bad guys can use them and all you can do is scream and run, or be really still and allow them to do whatever they want with you.
@@ivehaditidontcareanymore.6326 Excuse me, but what is "the range" you are referring to? Is it like a center for a firearm class? Tq
"If you take the safety part out, shooting is fun in general"
the most american thing i've ever heard
Its true but, there’s better ways of saying it
Ham and Cheese I just don’t think you should ever take the part out
M K it is fun though...
@M K so what.. Many thing are dangerous.. People are free and thats great.. Just should have better regulations concerning gun ownership...
@M K sky diving is dangerous, rollercoasters are dangerous, driving a car is dangerous, doesnt mean we outlaw the fun activities it can provide
“Do you wish you could’ve done more?” Ma’am, I think he wishes that person just didn’t shoot up his goddamn school.
That's the type of question you should ask. Otherwise they'll never learn
@@dallaswilliams1002 learn what? There is nothing to learn , he is the victim
@@Tania-ex6ve learn that you don't have to be a victim
@@RealMcLovin Oh yes, because a victim chooses to be shot at, or knived, or robbed, or raped, or killed. Jesus fvcking Christ.
@@Kasiarzynka Now imagine if you had a gun in any of those situations.
I feel like at this point we just need a middleground that's just America VS The Rest of The World
Yes
This right here is what we need the most
We'd need more than one lol. We'd need one for every theme
@@niamha6079 you mean country?
Americans vs a Brit, a Canadian and an Aussie, sounds like a banging vid
If you need to carry a gun around to feel safe you're probably living in the wrong country.
amen
It’s not a matter of feeling safe, it’s a matter of being safe. Security theatre like metal detectors, or gun laws are just illusions, and dangerous ones
So if your government decided that all of their constituents need to do this or that and came into your neighborhood and started taking your neighbors to do that by force what would you do?
@@tianamarie989 I didn't understand a word you wrote
@When The Heart Speaks idk why. I didn't misspell anything. 🤷♀️
My heart goes out to the survivors. I could not EVEN imagine.
especially the one that went through two of them!! 🥺
alphabbrry it’s not that bad? People with your mindset are the same people who don’t know how to behave with guns. It is honestly disgusting that people think like you.
As a gun owner, same
alphabbrry That actually made me laugh XD
@@rseestella2296 people cope with trauma differently. Allow them to be.
I hate the mentality of "if someone was nicer to the shooter he may not have done it".
1. That's victim blaming
2. Improving Mental Health is more than just being nicer to people.
I think that perspective. It’s true but I would say that it can help. I think it a lot more complex. I think of it as a cause and effect. There so many factors that would come of it. I think people bring it up because they feel like at one point their mental health should not have gone to that state that they would do something horrific. Also people want to have a reason to understand how something like this could have happen.
how's that victim-blaming? most school shooters have been bullied, it doesn't justify it, however in a lot of scenarios a lot could have been done by the person's community that would have prevented it. it's just the truth.
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@@katinkaaa2951 it’s victims blaming because most of the time the victims don’t even know who the shooter is or what their reason is. It just implies that it’s the victims job to be nice to stop shootings when in reality mental health is so much more than that. And I know it’s not what they mean but no ones deserves to die just because they didn’t know it was someone’s birthday.
It’s the truth. You’re ignoring it
I would honestly love to see a pro-masker and anti-masker discussion video.
@Catharsis the whole and trump says is completely uncalled for i see more anti maskers at blm rallies than any trump rally
Johnny5's Don’t wanna be rude but proof? Do you have a vid or something comparing the two?
Would be funny if the antimaskers say masks suffocate people and the 3 pro maskers start wearing masks.
@Catharsis natural selection will take care of the anti-maskers
Mask prevent the spread, not the chance of get covid.
When he said he lost 8 friends that day it really hit my emotions… heart wrenching 😔😔😔😔
How dare that lady ask the high school student "Don't you wish you could have done more?"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
Exactly that felt so insensitive!! To a 17 year old who’s shooting was only 4 months ago?
i was so mad when she said that
People like her have a special place reserved in hell
I have a massive feeling that she was trying to "sell" the idea of guns to him, I have seen similar questions and tactics used before for this purpose. The next thing she would have asked would be something to the affect of "imagine if you hada gun too" or "do you wish that someone in the crowd had a gun to stop the shooter", I have seen it before.... it's sick tbh. It's what thay offen do, they play of "what if" in order to use a warped image of hindsight. "What if the shooter was not the only one with a gun?" This one is a fan favorite of theirs, it's like a broken record at this point.
Agreed, it felt incredibly insensitive...and being a gun owner doesn’t mean you support or are a member of the NRA.
They should do a segment called "questions the rest of the world wants to ask the United States". That would be sooo interesting!
Oscar it’s called questions so they can see our side of it
I would want to see that if it was focused on specific political groups and the US government but I don’t want it to end up generalizing all americans
@T K but why? Who cares what we Americans have to say? Why does it matter that other people can ask us questions or not? I dont see a point to it whatsoever
Oscar the point is exactly that the societies in other countries is extremely different. I think it would be interesting to see if some of the Scandinavian ways could give another perspective on this topic when compared to America. I also think people (like myself), from a non-violent country, with no sight of a gun, have a lot to say - that could add to the topic. And yes, the show is “based on America’s social phenomena” but it is viewed by subscribers all over the world and this could increase the number of viewing countries even more.
@Oscar It's about introspection. It is essential to see yourself in a way you probably hadn't considered before, hear how other people do things, to be able to evaluate yourself. The way others perceive us can tell us a lot about ourselves. I think not wanting to self-evaluate and not wanting to expand their worldview are honestly the biggest flaws Americans have.
the man in the red cap said “i imagine most people watching have experienced that” (losing someone to gun violence). i have never because i live in ireland. ive never experienced it and i never will and i will never have to worry about it and that makes me greatful.
I’m jealous of that ability to be so sure that your safe from mass shootings.
Just a few weeks ago, at a mall near me that I go to often, a guy went and shot several people.
At school, I’m scared that one might happen. In the first week of clases, I always look around my new classrooms and think of a plan to escape if there were to be a shooting in there.
Mass shootings are so common in the US. It’s sad :(
Hope A. i couldn’t imagine walking around school or even a shop and thinking like how can i escape if someone were to try shoot me or around me like it’s so surreal to me that these are the things people live with every day
I live in Dublin and I could never imagine anything like this happening at my school which makes me so grateful to live in a gun free country.
i live in nyc and havent experienced it either but people are always going to be killed no matter where you are. humanity is flawed and many times unreasonable and unpredictable.
Yeah, I'm from Ireland too and I am so grateful. I know whenever I go to the States I will be terrified because I know there is an actual, real-life chance of it happening. I can't even imagine going to school there
As someone who doesnt live in the USA this conversation in insane
It’s insane for you because you’ve been accustomed to prefer security over freedom. Meaning you are accustomed of being controlled.
@@thevigilant6884 controled? what? in no other place on earth other than america are school shootings normalised, you guys there in america have a serious problem with guns, in my country, guns are only legal for people who need them for their jobs and everyone is doing fine without a gun, where does yalls obsession with guns come from?
@@thevigilant6884 and you are accustomed to children dying and making excuses for it. hush.
@a disappointment "Guns are cool and fun. They represent power. Gov't trying to take our firearms. This is the USA! USA! Better than every country on the planet. We are freedom, and it cant exist anywhere else."
Not me saying this btw. Welcome to USA America.
@@jazminsmith6343 Yeah, I'm quite unapolegetically insensitive
As a non-American, the gun culture is crazy to me. It seemed like they were almost all pro-gun. Even the mass shooting victims.
Merica'!
I am an American and I definitely agree. I also think that the people chosen for this video all seemed more pro-gun then many survivors are
@@avaginsberg3871 many survivors want to abolish guns so that the shooting is less likely to happen. But others want their own, to "equalize" the scenario, so that they aren't helpless. And, truth be told, choosing not to purchase a gun for self defense isn't going to be too influential so why not feel more in control? I feel it's an accurate depiction of the spectrum of shooting survivors.
Me too!
As a non American I came out with a conclusion that white NRA supporters want their guns to protectect themselves from black NRA supporters and vice versa
The fact that women was laughing and said that shooting gun is fun beside mass shooting survivors especially the one who survived twice is mind boggling
They're NRA members, what did you expect, really.
Yes that was a little insensitive. You have your right to think whatever you want but it was inconsiderate in this particular scenario..
And around the guy who lost someone due to a gun accident, like......
Timestamp plzz?
@@Vuyo12 8:20
If I was involved in 2 mass shootings, I’m not leaving the house.
And, essentially he lost nine people close to him.
That's devastating.
Yeah that man is more brave than I could ever be.
Ong
Unfortunately, you have to. You can't let fear keep you from living your life or you aren't really living it at all.
@@laceface1069 Definitely, and Im sure it will take years (if ever) to fully recover from that
That kid in the grey sweater is an absolute Chad. He understood that both sides have reson, was honest with his biases, and took action to protect his classmates while also keeping tabs on the situation.
When she asked that child four months out of his trauma “Don’t you wish you could have done more?”
I wish I was there 🙄
It was so disgusting and blood boiling
Timestamp?
Found it 6:10
Ikr wtf you most of the stuff she said was absurd anyways
She was clearly pushing her agenda. What was she hoping, that he would say "Oh yeah I wish I had a gun on me so I could take him down myself"?
That made me angry
Yeah I was shocked too, I just new that she was going in that “if you had a weapon at that time you could have defend yourself” direction and that is just not right
Mental illness is a global issue, but the number of mass shootings are unique to the US.
The right to own a gun is also unique to the us
@@_tuss1731 no its not. canada and switzerland has a high number of gun owners its completely legal there to own almost every kind of gun you can in america. the difference between these countries and america is they make it harder for the gun to get into the wrong hands and don't idolize guns like americans. there's a way to allow your law abiding citizens to have guns to defend themselves and not let every psychopath have easy access to them as well.
@@punology6829 I think there's also a difference in the mentality between the US and Switzerland for example. Europeans aren't obsessed with guns and therefore just a few actually own one.
punology ah no no no, I said the RIGHT to own a gun not the legality of it. Many countries you are legally allowed to own a gun but ONLY in the US is it a RIGHT.
William Maddux and so? It used to be a right to owned slaves but you changed that. Frankly it just feel like a big excuse to say that you have those guns to defend yourself or because it’s a right when in reality its seems pretty obvious even from this video that people just wants to keep guns especially assault rifles because they like them.
Comment section really did get more heated than the people in the vid.
wish there had been more opposition here
Most of them are lol
Yeah, because people are more worried about attacking others opinions than finding a compromise
Internet gonna internet.
@Ann Rohde It wasn't. It was people who had survived mass shootings and people who were gun enthusiasts having a discussion. Stop trying to warp the title. Not everyone that has survived or been affected by a mass shooting is anti-gun.
This was a level headed convo but everyone was so concerned with stepping on each other's toes It seemed people weren't fully truthful with how they felt.
As a non-American, I will never understand the deep connection some Americans have with their guns.
Its not so much the gun as it is the right to own the gun. If one amendment is jeopardized then every other amendment has lost its barrier and everything the constitution stands for is at risk of being changed or damaged. Like a flood gate, if one falls, the entire thing is going to come down.
look man, I even I who, an American who has owned a gun and then returned it, does not understand the connection some Americans have with their guns.
@@c.j2138 the word "amendment" specifically means change. Our Founding Fathers created the Cosntitution with the knowledge that it was imperfect... that is why we have amendments. No where did the men who wrote that document assume it was perfect... they designed it to change as it needed to for the continuation of our society. I feel people who don't see that only have a very basic understanding of history and our government.
@@robtheeducator8230 and in order to change that you need 2/3rds of states and/or 2/3rds of both houses of congress. But you never try starting there so...
You will once you realize the police are corrupt and won't protect you, and that gun control has historically been done for racist reasons
Not living in the US and hearing them say that everybody knows someone that has experience something related to gun violence... NO, absolutely no, and that's the problem, normalizing something that shouldn't be and isn't normal at all in other countries.
Yeah agreed. Weird how everybody had a connection to guns. I’m from the US (a liberal part but still) and I don’t know anybody that has a gun.
Caroline Love you do you just don’t know that they have one, unless you’re living in Commiefornia.
Caroline Love same, only people that i know of that own guns are actual hunters
@@carrielee1624 Most people who own firearms in a hyper liberal area wont tell you. Unless you're a part of that community or show interest will they show themselves.
Do you know anyone who has been sexually assaulted or abused? is it normalized if most people say yes? If you're going to apply one form a logic, make sure its compatible with the rest. Otherwise you're left with intellectual dishonesty.
I like how they keep saying “being more kind” would help with the mental health crisis... I mean that’s a real lack if understanding as to what mental health issues really look like, and the depth of them.
Look up Walk The Talk America. They're trying to bridge the gap on this if you want to see what they're about.
"Being more kind" is the younger generation's answer to everything
@@jameshan2k And then they go on to bully anyone who slightly disagress with them.
@@RachelDee That's a really neat organization, Rachel. Thank you so much for sharing it! I especially like the idea that the participating stores offer the service of holding an owner's gun temporarily if the owner feels it might be safer at that time.
He was only 17, so is forgiven for being a bit naive, but the rest are adults, & I think the older lady to what he said & pushed on with it
She says that states like Illinois have insane gun violence with severe gun regulation, so her argument is "the regulations don't work". What she fails to mention is over 90% of guns used in crimes in Illinois are purchased in neighboring Indiana, a red state with one of the least restrictive gun regulations in the entire US.
Is their gun violence in Indiana?
..... so, what you're saying is that criminals in all states will have guns, and strict gun regulations only serve to disarm the law abiding? You may have a point there.
Indiana doesn't have strict gun laws and doesn't have a gun crime problem. If guns were the problem, then Indiana should have more gun crime.
Illinois does have strict gun laws. That makes it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to have guns. It's as if criminals realize it's easier for them to commit crimes in strict gun control States/cities. 🤔
MI, OH, and KT are next to Indiana as well but they dont seem to have to problem that Illinois has...do they?
Hayden the 17yr was speaking facts, we all need to be more kind and caring and help people if their feeling down.
That's easier said than done though. Why didn't Hayden say happy birthday to that school shooter? Well he probably just didn't know. They were classmates but not friends. Are you gonna go out and record everyone's birthday just to be nice then? People do need to be nicer to each other ofc. But how do you foster a genuine connection when socializing isn't that easy? There's social norms at play, there's ways to make friends. Sometimes somebody gets dealt a bad hand, the timing isn't right, they don't have friends, and before you know it they're spending a birthday alone. That alone might make their mental health deteriorate.
But if that person were to do a school shooting as a result, you can't prevent that simply by being nicer. Making genuine connections with people is hard. And kids should be allowed to naturally form friendships, they shouldn't be worried that the one loner they were mean to that day might commit a school shooting. Also, I think it was the FBI that did some research and found out that bullying isn't common amongst school shooters but a personal loss in their family or friends is.
@@assholebyginger I agree with everything except the being mean to someone and they are going to shoot you. You shouldn't be mean without expecting an eye for an eye, you ever heard of the song pumped of kicks, but yes the thing about the fbi and stuff was great too!
nice kid but he's in la la land. theres too many cruel people on this earth. we know many arent going to be nice. if said crazy perso ndidnt have a gun to begin with, then theres no mass shooting. only america has this problem. the whole world has mental issues but u dont see mass shootings like u do here in america.
That's definitely more of a cliche than what would create actual change. While empathy is important, lack of empathy doesn't justify violence.
Papa Moomin ya i agree. i get what you are saying, but there have been many reports of people (mainly teachers) being aware that students (who turned out to be school shooters) are not mentally okay and chose to dismay it. if people didn’t dismay stuff like that, school shootings would decrease. the florida shooting that happened a few years ago, my cousin used to be neighbors with the dude who did it. he told me he always knew something was wrong with the kid and what made me mad about it was that he knew something wrong but chose to ignore it. he could have said something to his parents or to anyone.
Who else feels like they would have had the strongest opinion if they had been in that room?
yeah me
yeah me, anti-gun.
@@kendallclemons8100 anti-gun will just make it worse for everybody.
POTATO yea agreed most shooting are illegally bought guns not legally bought so making guns impossible to get legally will make it worse
@@exploitwiz7140 I live in Germany and its incredibly hard to get a gun here. Guess what nearly never happens: mass shootings. Just like in most European countries.
Denying the link between gun accessibility and mass shootings is just wrong
Every time someone says, "teachers should be armed" I think about the time my 2nd grade teacher threw scissors across the room.
Ban scissors
For me , think about my one of my former first grade students who broke into my locked classroom during his lunch period (he thought the classroom was empty). I think about my colleagues who have had their locked closets broken into and money stolen out of their purses (all elementary school teachers btw). Have a gun in my classroom? Absolutely not. I have nothing against owning a gun but having it in the classroom is a liability I want nothing to do with.
I just think about a few of my older teachers..
Give them a gun and if they ever have to use it, two in the floor, one in the ceiling, three more somewhere down range and probably nowhere near the actual target.
Especially under immediate threat.
Its not a good idea.
These are educators not police.
Hell, cops don't even react well many times so obviously the training the U.S. currently requires is not adequate.
Introduction of firearms to all classrooms is a non-starter for me.
Arthur Pilgram - hard to say when it comes to armed police officers in schools. Personally, as an educator, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. That being said, I work in NYC in a title 1 school. Many of our students have extreme behavioral challenges. We also have a high population of special needs students. Furthermore, a large portion of our school community distrusts the police and it could wind up being a recipe for disaster if you get an officer who doesn’t know how to speak to children or their families. Even worse if the officer doesn’t know how to deal with special needs students or recognize the difference between rudeness and a manic episode. The officer would need to be someone friendly with a very small ego and excellent deescalation strategies, which can be difficult to come by and even more difficult to advertise for.
Edit: forgot to mention, as a parent myself, I would be 100% okay with an armed officer in my children’s school. But that’s just me and, for the sake of playing devil’s advocate, I know many families who feel differently.
It should be treated as a house gun locked up if it were to be a thing
That dude in the gray sweatshirt is actually admirable, considering what he's been through.
I love how he isn't anti-gun after all that. So many people would hop on that band wagon these days. Nice to see him seeing it from a healthier perspective.
Key words “when we’re stopping them”. What about prevention. America is always reactive and not preventative
Yes exactly
how would we be preventing these mass shootings… we can’t magically look into the future. also don’t bring up “banning guns” or “making guns harder to own” because laws don’t stop criminals it’s literally in the definition of “criminal” and someone with a motive will not be stopped by laws. when there’s evil, you fight it with a proactive response, there is no such thing as a preemptive strike in this scenario.
@@krishbhayani6560 you can’t say that because you don’t know what an America with a ban on guns look like. But we see what an America with guns looks like…
THIS
@@Sliceofhaupia you sound like a communist. Your name kinda sounds like one also.
I feel so bad for the guy in the black hat, his eyes just look like they’ve seen so much and he looks likes he’s so tired of seeing his loved ones die
Heather doesn't think America has a mass shooting problem.
Also Heather "There are mass shootings every weekend"
As a person who lives in Chicago Heather is being slightly inaccurate. There are shootings on the weekends (unfortunately), but they are not mass shootings. Plus I don't care for her throwing poor community under the bus to make her point. And before u disagree watch that segment again, its implied.
@Carlos Owens there is no reason to own a gun
@@slickway5590 Why do you believe that?
Zephyr FN I think I’d say because the general attitude is “they have a gun so I need a gun to protect myself”. This just makes a big gun chain
Carlos Owens How can you say that that is not that bad!! The fact that even one person has to die because of mass shootings in America is bad and it won’t be bad until the number is zero
I'm so glad that everyone was respectful and open in this discussion.
"There's no truck regulation"
You are literally legally required to register any vehicle you own...
Same with guns
Lol so felons aren’t allowed to own trucks?
Is driving a constitutionally protected right?
@@danielshayder8875 Interesting point! The point of my comment was to dispel a wildly inaccurate statement made in the video
Because dont compare guns and trucks! Ask jim adler.
Thé sad part is that my first thought was “woah how could they so easily find mass shooting survivors” and then I remembered this is America...
This comment made me sad. But your right
r/im14andthisisdeep
I had to replay that back at 2:49 ....did he just say he was a *two time* mass shooting survivor...as in he’s been in those situations TWICE?! I really hope not 😥
@@ahsookee that's not how those subreddits work...
@@pinger83 I don't think this is the right time pal...
"I am so sorry you have had to experience that".....Starts the manipulative grilling on the 17 year old immediately smh
she’s so embarassing
She's f***ing shameless. That's what.
@@dominoxheartsyouxnot Using "embarrassing" to describe that sorta behaviour is what's embarrassing. Use a WAY stronger word.
You do realize she could have meant that teachers are armed with how many schools are going through this.
@@GrahamChapman using “way” when you could use a stronger word is what’s embarrassing. What are you 9 years old? Grow up
as a norwegian these conversations are absolutely insane
Same
Swede and agree
As a German as well. It's crazy.
same here as a Dane :D
I’m American and it’s odd even to me, a veteran.
*Stays standing for ‘I don’t think there’s a mass shooting problem’*
*Sits down for ‘I think teachers should carry guns’*
Why would teachers need to carry guns if there wasn’t a problem with mass shootings also within schools?
Do you know why schools are often the targets of shootings? It’s because the shooters know the security in schools is awful. It’s not difficult to understand, but the sad part is that few people think about that
@@datsko6339 That's not how it works.
Datsko right... and you know this because you’ve thought this out yourself or? ...
Yes it makes perfect sense, let’s throw more guns into the mix and allow pupils and teachers to have them. *Everyone’s* safer now because *everyone* has one...
Yeah I don’t think it works like that either.
No it’s not hard to understand, it’s the first thing you would assume and then with some critical thinking you’d understand that mass shootings are ultimately suicide missions.
So what do they care if someone is able to pull a gun back on them? They know going into it they will most likely end up dead or failing that behind bars for life anyway.
They would still do it regardless, they have a death wish to begin with but putting more guns in schools when it just takes one to ruin countless lives is a pretty weak argument and actually a recipe for even worse than what one unhinged person could do.
To punish children
As a right to protect themselves and their students.
I like how they can acknowledge that there's a mass shooting every weekend, but won't acknowledge there's a problem.
Because its not the guns waking up and killing people everyday, its gang members you dope head, and they're totally gonna follow all of your gun laws.
Ren Abshire if you ban guns there wouldn’t be mass shot rings and gun problems so just remove the guns tf
@@aldaniangdesancho60 thats actually way tf wrong. If you take guns out of the mix people won't be able to protect themselves and homicides will probably skyrocket because people WONT BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEMSELF OR THEIR PROPERTY FROM people who WILL get guns. People act like making guns illegal will stop gun violence. If people want a gun, they will get a damn gun
@@Lvna1 america is the only place in the world where mass shootings are so common, and one of the only places where you can easily get guns. i see a connection here.
@@renabshire4704 Funny enough most school mass shooters are just suburban boys
You can hear the pain in black hats voice. My heart goes out to him.
it's almost like he's trying to stay in the shadows. I wish I could give him a hug
I could see the sorrow in his eyes and his voice too. Bless his heart ❤️
so much trauma, he is forever changed
Hayden is an angel for thinking about how to make others feel safe in an unsafe situation
The kid who shot up my school had friends. There were people who were nice to him. But he still chose to go through with his plan. It’s not just about being nice to these people. He had easy access to guns when he turned 18 and he took advantage.
Being nice is a major factor tho
@Riddleberger Brothers No it isnt. Being nice doesnt cure mental health issues.
@@riddlebergerbrothers26 Not necessarily the main factor. What about an abusive childhood? Trauma? Other sociopathic or psychopathic disorders? Sometimes even depression because of finances and poltics could make someone go insane.
@@LauraSterreM That has a HUGE factor. Parents are a huge factor. Mental disorders. But playing on that by being a douchebag ain't gonna help you
@@riddlebergerbrothers26 no, it’s not a main factor.
That might be the most American thing i’ve ever watched.
You’re on an American channel
10 people: got killed by a mass shooting
The democratic party: ALL GUNS ARE BAD
the rest of America: D:
@@CaptainCrud116 I get the joke you are trying to make. However that is not the case. "The rest of america" It is split kinda close.
OpO Cola Seriously, reassure me, you’re just pretending to no understand the joke right??
haha guns = america wow funny
“we don’t own guns because we like to shoot things” proceeds to talk about how fun shooting is
KamekoBruns maybe don’t be so rude. what she said is confusing and insensitive, especially in front of mass shooting survivors.
KamekoBruns You clearly missed the point
Make it make sense
KamekoBruns that makes no sense
@KamekoBruns that doesn't make sense
Gotta love living in a country that loves guns more than our children.
Nah we love kids, especially Biden
Like abortion?
Gotta love an American (?) who actually gets what's going on in their country!
we love kids we offer solutions need up the security in schools my previous job had better security than schools and we just processed used cell phones and the whole argument we cant afford it is false when we just sent 30 billion to ukraine you guys dont want solutions you guys just have a anti american agenda
The people who are against having armed security in schools are the ones who clearly do not care about children. Putting “gun free zone” sings up by schools as if that doesn’t shout out to every possible threat “soft targets here”. These some people don’t bay an a eye when there favorite celebrity had armed security but the second we try to protect children they take issue, if that’s not pure evil I don’t know what is
"teachers should be armed" yall didnt hear about the teacher who barricaded his classroom and opened fire on his students??? absolutely not. no.
WHAT WHEN WHERE
@@harrisonkey698 I heard about it like 2 yrs ago
@Harmony SAME. It could be a teacher who is so well descripted but we never know their intention. Who knows? If no other student is armed and there’s only a teacher who one, it’s officially scary to say the most.
So that entire policy is now off the table because of one singular mentally unstable teacher?????
@Harmony Like usual safety over liberty.
Europeans just sitting back enjoying kinder eggs
Ironically, we have banned those in the US because they are "not safe."
Dead_beat Bunny I’ve heard this being said a million times over the years, when I live in the US and see them every time I visit the supermarket.
We have had kinder eggs for a while now
VoidX yeah but they aren’t “real” kinder eggs. I’ve had ones from both America and Britain and they’re definitely different
小白兔· I’ve never actually opened them, but they have the exact design and logo as the original.
should’ve invited people that weren’t scared to disagree and have an actual conversation
john clearly expressed his beliefs
You don’t consider this an actual conversation? It’s called NRA vs Mass Shooting survivors, not pro-gun vs anti-gun
Eric Sweeney well it’s called “middle ground” meaning two sides disagree but have a conversation
They are *supposed to find middle ground* they are meant to come into agreement. This was an actual,conversation.
Tbh this video is a bit more sensitive than others alot of them have lost people to the thing they’re arguing
This is so heartbreaking to see. The survivors are all shaken, just trying to manage day to day life after this traumatic event. NRA members manipulating them, and trashing them over these things is disgusting. Lost any ounce of respect I had for this group of people.
Heather bothered me
What they say that’s so bad?😭
Ppl civilly debating and pointing out hard truths about reality
"You're trashing them!"
Lol
@@prodigygaming5102 truth
@@CrankyBarista Hard truths like "me like guns" and doing nothing seriously to help
One thing that really occurred to me that no one is talking about is that if the teachers carry a gun there’s now an added possibility that one of the students would grab the gun then or there.
Or the teacher decides that the clock doesn't dismiss them, the glock does
Or the teacher can be the one that uses it it's just adding a factor of is he/she mentally stable or not which adds even if it was a bit to the probability of something happening
Typically, if a teacher were to carry a gun, I'd expect it'd be concealed, with no students knowing they have it. It's no more of a responsibility than concealed carriers have on a daily basis.
If teachers were armed I would expect A) students would not be made aware of it, to prevent this exact situation, B) those teachers would be very closely monitored and expected to go through very regular training to ensure they stay proficient with their firearms and C) that it would be locked away in a safe in their classroom so that they don't have immediate access, just in case they do snap, to hopefully make them truly think about what they're doing, as well as preventing an assailant from gaining access to a second weapon.
@@ru5h1n68 It would be pretty hard to hide a secure safe from students, and if students dont know about it then they wont have time to react if the teacher goes mad
As a European listening to this debate felt so unreal. When they talked about the truck in Nice, do they know how many times mass killing occurs in the US vs in France ? In France we’ve had 54 mass shootings since 1953 !!! The USA had 200 mass shootings just in 2021 so far, but of course that has nothing to do with guns and the way they are controlled.
Edit: Since I’ve seen that wrong argument so much in the comments: Yes France has a way smaller population than the US, but look at the numbers right : 200shottings in the US in just a 6 months and 54 shootings in France in 68 years !! So that’s 400 shootings/year in the US and 0.8shootings/year in France. Since the Us population is about 5 times bigger, the adjusted value for France would be 4 shootings per year. That is still pretty far from the USA value…
Damn. Well said.
And America with our guns is why you're not speaking German...just saying
@@jameshan2k ?
@@chiaral.7150 It's called WWII
@@jameshan2k Yes, the military. Not civilians. And to be fair, Russia is also a large part of why we won WWII.
I think y’all need to get Americans vs the rest of the world or like europeans bc this is crazy
brits vs americans
i would love to see it! as an american who lives in an extremely gun pro-state, i would love to hear about things the rest of the world does. whenever i go out into public, i look for the nearest exit in case of a shooting.
elizabeth it’s so wild to me that even people that have been through such trauma don’t understand the correlation!! i hope you stay safe :(
Yesss! Americans need to get out of their own bubble!
@Shem Casimir bro you do know that the democracy in europe is built way better than yours in the us? your political system is so corrupted and makes no sense. *you're* the ones who don't control their laws lol look at what trump's doing currently
Americans need to realise they are the only country with this problem
Yeah what about Mexico
No? I'll give you that America's basically the only first world country with this problem, but gun violence is still a widespread issue across the globe.
@@noahsawyer7155 funny you mention a country thats just next to the us
When I saw how many people came forward when they asked who lost someone to gun violence I was shocked. I’m European and I don’t even know someone who knows someone who knew someone that was lost to gun violence. Absolutely shocking.
Thats because you have knife violence, more knife violence than we have gun violence
Many places in eroupe probably don't have people illegaly getting guns
@@renabshire4704 and i don´t even know someone who knows someone who knows someone affected by knife violence
Completely agree. I know ONE person who was involved in a mass shooting which I think is significant - she was visiting Vegas at the time of that shooting. Of course. We're Canadian.
Ren Abshire no, I don’t know a person who has been killed in any way but by illness, nor does anyone. I’ve lived in both England and Portugal and my experience has been exactly the same.
the video is not middle ground. everyone seems to agree. i wish they would’ve put more people that where actually against guns instead of having everyone saying the same things.
Exactly. This isn't even a discussion.
Anthony Hernandez right, i was really disappointed with this video. they should’ve at least put one activist or something.
Y'all just want people to say what you want them to don't even listen to the video
Luis S.
That doesn’t make sense? I think they’re just saying middle ground is when two groups with opposing views try to come to a common ground, this group had a lot of agreement because most of the mass shooting survivors were not anti gun, so I felt the main argument was lost.
That's because nobody with any sense at all believes gun laws will stop mass shootings. It's already against the law to shoot people, so why would they not do it because their gun has been banned? More people with guns to defend themselves with DO prevent mass shootings because the shooters are cowards who won't face another person who is armed. That's why the go to "gun free" zones
"The United States does not have a mass shooting problem." I nearly choked when I heard that. A lot of countries have mental health problems, but school doesn't equal shooting range there.
So if someone gets stabbed at a school in another country (which does happen btw) it's not a mental health problem?
@@adonisparts1343 who said it wasn't?
@@adonisparts1343 stop deflecting, that's not even what was said
@@adonisparts1343 really trying your best to change the subject aren't you?
@@CP-ir3ft So why aren't mass shootings also considered mental health problems? Instead, people only blame guns and while they are a contributing factor if you take them away there will still be problems caused by mental health.
Super well done by Jubilee and everyone who was included. I really appreciated hearing from survivors. So sad to hear what they have gon through. Grateful they are speaking up.
I understand that our society has mental health, drug issues, etc, but having uncontrolled and easy access to guns does amplify the damage that can be done if someone is going through a bad phase.
On a side note, it's courageous and commendable for this panel to come up together and have a respectful conversation.
I don’t know where the comment is, but someone said that every country has those drugs and mental issues, but not every country has shooting problems
@@bestbirdbuds6746 not every country has the freedoms America does, if you don't like them, then go to another country that is regulated more.
wiz kid going to another country doesn’t solve an issue, If you don’t think a law is right in your country it doesn’t mean you’re going to leave it , you’re going to try incite change
@@wizkid2001 it's really not realistic for most people to just up and leave on a whim. There's finances, ages, and many factors that go into deciding to leave the country. I wish it was that easy, but since I can't leave, I'd rather try to get this country to change.
Yeah, 100%. It's absolutely hypocritical to say the US has a mental health problem that needs to be addressed, and in the same breath say it does not need to be more difficult to get a gun.
I had an acquaintance go on a gun rant once, specifically around mental health background checks. He said, and I quote "If the government did mental health background checks, I would not be allowed to own a gun. And that is not fair" like seriously?! I don't talk to him anymore lmao
As a student in the US, I think I would be terrified if my teachers had guns. You can't trust all teachers to be good people. Most of them don't have access to guns and already do a lot of horrible things to their students including sexual assault and other abuse. Our education system already sucks due to so many other reasons and the fact that they as adults (who won't be impacted) think that teachers should be armed is ridiculous.
Edit: I'd just like to clarify I don't think most of my teachers personally are violent sexual offenders, I've been lucky to have great teachers who I trust for most of my life but I know this isn't the same experience everyone has had. I was just annoyed that most of the people in this video were adults (and not teachers) and wouldn't be impacted by the fact that teachers could possibly be armed so it is easy for them to suggest that teachers should have guns. Teachers are also crazily underpaid despite the fact that they are literally educating the next generation. They don't need to be our security guards and its not a solution that would make many of my fellow students feel safer.
True and teaching is honestly a stressful job you won't know when one teacher will suddenly snap and cuz they have access shoot people
what? your statement is ridiculous...most teachers do horrible things to their students?
Rachel Goodman Most of the sick ones
Also as a student i think arming teachers (ad long as its voluntary and there are some restrictions) is a good idea. Schools in Texas already do that and parents, students, and teachers say they feel safer. If i knew a good gun owner brought there gun to school while they taught, id feel safer-not in danger, and i come from a very anti gun area.
nope teachers will throw a tantrum and shoot students
As a middle/high school teacher, I can’t imagine kids knowing there are guns in the school. I live in the south so most people here are ok with guns in general but here’s the thing- I’m a 130 pound female. Most of my students are bigger than me. If they know (and they would know) that there was a gun in the room, I know that they could get to it. While I would do absolutely anything in the world to protect my students, I don’t think I would stay in my profession if there was an option for teachers to have guns.
If there is an option-I just won’t have one. But I would be okay with my 225 pound, Air Force veteran, and former Highway Patrolman father, who went into teaching, having a gun in his classroom. I would feel safer for the students and I that way.
Julie Kennedy but not everyone is 225 pounds so your gonna give one teacher a gun but not another.And still risk students life. Because you never know what going to happen and who can over power a 225 pound man
Where I live kid take the stolen firearms to school
Schools in Texas allow teachers to be armed and parents and teachers say it makes them feel safer, as someone has a gun to protect themselves if things go wrong.
I am also a teacher and I would 10000% have one. The idea is you would opt in to have one and students would have no idea who does and does not have one. There’s a chance that no teacher in the building opts in but students and psychos in the community don’t know that. Why would they shoot up a school where as many as 100+ people could fire back at them? Wouldn’t they be more likely to take their happy ass down the road?
That was an incredibly frustrating conversation, and I have a little less hope that change can come.
yes, I agree. it's sad that things like nukes, rocket launchers, machine guns etc. are illegal in the US. hopefully one day that will change.
@@MegaVega2007Come and take mine.
Legalize canons!
@@MfckingDyecannons are legal
The sooner all gun laws are repealed, the better.
Lol. When Jubilee showed the populations of those states so everyone could see that she was talking out of her ass.
Yesss I was looking for this comment
And how they give background info on other facts but didn't cite her, "Like 8.9 out of 10 shootings happen in gun free zones" lmao lies
Good. I love that they’re stopping the spread of misinfo
Not to mention the MAJOR socio-economic differences between those states. Such an unbelievably ridiculous comparison to make.
Beatnik and all the large city’s and metro areas
This episode is definitely not “middle ground”.
Why isn’t it?
@@ANA_youre_enough oh thats cause these people don't agree with me.
@@jameslegrand848 Middle ground isn't really reached in the video because there aren't two distinct arguments in the video. It isn't NRA vs anti-guns or pro-gun control, it's NRA vs mass shooting survivors who share most of the same views as the NRA members. It was definitely an interesting video in terms of being a discussion, but there was no real debate.
Hugo Armstrong it’s like all of them vs the one dude
As a British viewer that's grown up in a very different cultural approach towards carrying guns, I felt like this episode lacked proper diversity of thought. As has been said, these weren't really opposing sides - although I was surprised that they weren't more different. In the UK it isn't radical to believe that there shouldn't be guns altogether and I understand that the US might be different in that regard but there has been much more radical opinions on these videos previously. It was really frustrating to watch people talking about the "fun" of guns next to survivors and even for survivors to not be anti-gun. I understand that it is possible to have different opinions within a set of experiences. But I really do feel that this video didn't properly find any sort of middle ground because the views were not different and diverse enough.
All I hear is: "I need a gun to protect myself from others with guns."
And others with knives, bats, fists, etc.
exactly. taking guns away will only take them away from the people who use them responsibly. you think the shooters care about the law when they are killing people
Everyone agrees with your statement unironically. It's just a question of who wields the gun in defense. The government? The military? The police? Yourself? Don't act all high and mighty because you prefer to delegate the wielding of guns in self defense to someone else. How can you delegate a right to a governing body that you don't even possess yourself?
@@snakyjake9 I trust people with excessive training more than a random off the street with access to a gun.
@@aw8951 thank you I’m sick of these anti police and anti military dumbasses
I remember someone in my school having a hit list and finding out from him I wasn't on it because I was nice to him.
I do know though that not everyone planning to hurt people will stop if shown kindness.
As someone who does experience mental health issues, I would love for mental health to be less stigmatized and discussed. I do not believe though that would solve all these issues like mass shootings, but I am hopeful that it could help in some capacity.
I am also aware there are other factors involved in a variety of situations, but I just wanted to touch on the mental health aspect that was discussed.
We need a complete cultural transformation as well. Other countries have mental illnesses, too, but our country glorifies violence as the answer to most of our problems, even our mental health crisis.
It’s ironic how the “Black Guns Matter Guy” says that nearly anyone watching has probably lost someone due to a mass shooting whilst probably barely any of the European viewers can relate to that.
My thoughts exactly! Either he doesn't know how many non-Americans watch Jubilee's videos, or he's just kinda living in his little US-centric bubble.
Yeah I immediately came to the comments when he said that. Here in Belgium (and in most of the European countries), the number of gun related deaths is around 10 times smaller per 100,000 inhabitants!
stilldownwiththemutantunderground I thought about mentioning this concept of an “American bubble” too. How exciting that you came to the same conclusion and finished my comment in that sense :D
Totally correct. There is a lot of this I can’t relate to. Our country has never had a mass shooting.
This is crazy! I literally can't believe that these things are true for Americans! I know (rationally) that it is a thing but I still find it unbelievable!
I did like how the mass shooting survivors agreed a lot with the other side, however I wish they had atleast one person who was strongly against guns. It's why I liked Maj because he could understand and empathised with people who don't like guns
Exactly. As someone who's strongly against guns, Maj's perspective was really good for me to hear. But they really should have had someone like him on the other side of the debate as well.
“Shooting is fun”
I feel like this would’ve hurt me a lot if I was a shooting survivor even if she didn’t mean it like that
She never lost someone to gun violence so she thinks its a game
ashleymays4 have you even shot a gun? It’s a sport and used for defense.
@Ryan shooting is a little more niche than driving. Driving is normalized but shooting guns isn't, at least not as much as driving
JDM no i havent but my dad was shot and now he’s paralyzed so i dont see guns as toys
Ryan are you sick? Do you need a therapist. I’m genuinely concerned for your mental health.
"Speak your truth, brother" is one of the most wholesome, smile-on-my-face comments I've heard on this show.
Something we really need to see more of, all around
as a european this is so strange
As a Canadian, I completely agree. I'm amazed that they think they need a gun to be safe and how "normal" it is for them to own guns.
Tary1894 idk if it’s just me but when I travel to the us I don’t feel safe ever knowing that anyone can have a gun
I know right! It's absolutely terrifying 😔
it's scary🥺 I'm in the usa and I think that we need change. I'm so terrified
same i hate it
Why do people use “they could have used a knife” as an excuse? You’re saying killing 10 people with a knife is just as easy as using a gun? I don’t understand why that’s even brought up
They don't want restrictions on their precious guns. They even have the AUDACITY to say there isn't a gun violence problem in America but a mental health problem. In 2019 alone, there were 366 mass shootings in America. Now compare that to Countries that banned or have very STRICT gun laws and see the statistics for yourself. The problem is CLEAR as day and people need to understand that
For me I feel like if someone would of used a knife they would of killed less people not just because physically. Stabbing someone is way more personal and u have blood on ur hands then just watching someone collapse from a bullet
SouthEast Dusty but with knife crime not as many people are affected because you have to get in close proximity to the victim, yes attacks do happen but not to the extent that shootings do
@@cabdirahman9000
Can I have your sources please? I want to see where you got this information.
@@maddie297 knife crime happens a lot more than you think and it can get to a mass shooting degree of violence, in england it's one of our biggest problems along with acid attacks. there are other places in the world other than america and a blanket statement such as that cant be used in this context.
I hate the whole “be nicer to ppl” argument when it comes to school shootings. It should not be the responsibility of children to talk to someone to avoid getting killed. What ppl dont realize is most of the times these shooters arent the victims theyre the bullies. A lot of the time nobody talks to them because theyre actual unpleasant people with issues who are mean, racist, violent, etc.
Yet you're not getting if kids aren't being "nice" to their peers they are responsible. I been in school fightings to where girls pulled out knives. Since they didn't respect each other. You cannot isolate people and think they're gonna change, nah they're gonna snap.
I wish we could make all school smaller. Kids get lost in these huge schools. It's impossible for staff to target kids that need that extra attention. I don't think it will happen because it would cost cities too much money to build and staff.
@@anahernandez4043 You my friend are absolutely correct. Well said.
They honestly need to have metal detectors or search anyone for weapons before entering. Use local cops or if possible ex military. Every other public venue screens for weapons. Public venue meaning airports,sporting events, concerts, airports, government offices,etc.
@Ésteban Universidad Yet people constantly complain about social issues but refuse to be nice. They're causing their own problems.
If you treat people like crap don't be surprised when they snap. This goes for everybody kids, admins, their parents and teachers. If you see a child slipping through the cracks don't let'em fall.
lmao at 16:22 jubilee putting the statistics on the screen to directly point out the ridiculousness of heather's argument is so funny
The homicide rate in California is still 500% higher and in Illinois it’s 900% higher than New Hampshire. Jubilee shared only population numbers, not per capita deaths, which are the numbers that compare apples to apples.
I hate statistics in online videos. They're always limited in what they can show and are picked specifically to promote the agenda of one side or the other. You can prove statistically that the US having more guns makes for more gun violence (more shootings in US than elsewhere)(this can also be debated as most places that are considered to have more gun violence dont track it like the US does) while simultaneously showing that banning guns yields more gun violence (Chicago, DC, NYC having overwhelmingly more shootings than anywhere else without gun restrictions) Don't assume stats prove the point for either side. They're just supporting evidence and often manipulative.
I don’t think you know what a statistic is 😂
But it's not ridiculous she's correct. The statistics don't change what she said.
“It should be harder to buy a gun”
*Rest of the world steps forward*
you need more likes!
Its already pretty hard as it is. People have this misconception where you just walk in put a few AR-15s in grocery bags and self check out.
Skerion you can literally buy semi automatic rifles AT WALMART
@@cheyenne2189 Only if you pass the standard gun background check. Which includes checking if your a felon, if you are adjudicated mentally or have been committed to a mental institution, if you have been addicted to certain drugs or substances, you also have to have a certificate that says you have completed basic gun safety classes and the list goes on. Even if you buying from Walmart its not that easy.
Skerion obviously background checks aren’t hard enough to past because gun violence still keeps happening
I’m glad Hayden got to share his part of the story, he was an old friend of mine and we both went to different schools within Santa Clarita. I’m glad he’s doing better
golden valley 2013
The survivors just look so defeated and that’s so painful to look at them because no one should have to deal with that
They are all crisis actors not real
I only see pain goodness my heart goes to them. Just imagine losing someone you care for or having fun with your friends and in a blink of an eye their body is next to you lifeless uff I would have gone insane. They're true warriors, just imagine closing your eyes hearing the screams and having to relive the trauma of that horrendous day. 💔😭😭😭😭🤧.As I'm writing this I'm baling my eyes out just picturing this uff living it would have had to be the worst thing they lived ufff goodness I just can't . Wish them peace and tranquility bc it must be extremely difficult to have to live that trauma.
Cause the nra members don’t really use actual arguments
@@spaceboj9198 They do use actual arguments instead of strawman fallacies you guys love to use so much. A majority of NRA members are ACTUAL firearms instructors. BUT, since you wanna throw that crap out there, what argument that is backed by actual facts can you make that NRA members don't use facts in their logic?
@@richardcannon6227 more weapons = less death less(danger)
As a Canadian it’s like they’re speaking a foreign language. I hate everything about this conversation. This is one of the biggest differences between our cultures and I will never understand their feeling of entitlement towards firearms.
that's because you weren't born into a country that literally had to fight with guns for their rights and freedom. You sound highly uneducated
Heather kinda felt insensitive with how she can joke about guns with people who survived mass shootings and who had loved ones died because of it.
She just seems like the Karen of guns to me.
Heather wasn't kind of insensitive she was insensitive, I bet she's a lobbyist for the nra.
@@supernatural5354 Shes like the Karen of guns. Guns are the solution to every problem kind of person.
@@elyseeblackstone4597 no, Karens don't like guns
It felt like everyone else here was trying to have a heart to heart but she was just trying to prove a point.
I think what the kid said about “if one person told him happy birthday-“ sounds to me like victim blaming himself. he said he knew the kid so he may carry some unjustified guilt about the whole situation. these people weaponizing his trauma to try and make a point is disgusting.
I think the fact that he was a victim and brought that point up…….the intention was probably to bring to light that the kid may have been struggling. I know people don’t like to think about this but murderers are people too. nothing will EVER take away the trauma of going through an event like that, but at the same time how do you start dissecting the problem without trying to understand what could have happened :/
The shooter was also a victim of something bad.
I strongly agree
it’s not victim blaming he was simply making a point that if we connected ourselves more it may positively influence depression rates and therefore prevent some awful events like the one he experienced
It’s survivors guilt :( I hope he’s doing alright
Imagine losing 1 person in one mass shooting and then losing 8 people in a second? Dylan, I wish I could give you the biggest hug and take all that pain away. I look forward to the day where we can all be happy, healthy and safe 🥺
This is for sure the most respectful Middle Ground episode
The fact that not everyone sat down when they said America has a mass shooting problem.😳
I know!!
Right! I mean sure, it is caused by mental health problems and all that, but you can't always go straight to the root of the problem. Why not attack the issue on all fronts? Improve health care and education while limiting guns at the same time.
USA is so weird.....
@T K He's saying it's not a problem. If we look at things like that, why not say we have a drowning problem, an Alligator problem, a car crash problem.
@@kpnomore8626 not really
imagine looking at someone who survived a mass shooting and talking about how fun it is to shoot
Yea that was so disrespectful. Like that was not ok
I’d tell them go to Europe or uk and not get stabbed up
It's called contexted my friend they were talking about going down to the range and shooting but i understand where you're coming from
Please, continue being offended for them, because they clearly weren't.
Most adults can handle the truth .
Portraying the teachers as potential bodyguards for children just seems so absurd to me.
I mean I don't think it should be that absurd. They are adults in a school full of children, those children are their responsibility, they should be able to protect those children just in case a WCS happens. Whether that be a natural disaster, shooting, or even a simple fight
Blank it is though, teachers are there to teach not to shoot down intruders. In my state we have at least one bodyguard at all of our schools so they are the ones who need to protect. Bodyguards and Teachers are two entirely different job titles and unless someone is teaching you about defense the two should never correlate.
Blank it’s a lil absurd schools would either have to pay for the firearms and ammunition or have the teachers buy it themselves and schools are constantly loosing funding id say a better idea is to just have armed guards or police officers on campus rather then have teachers be armed
Blank we can’t even trust our police officers being their job to protect our communities how we suppose to trust teachers whose job is to teach n deal w kids all day. tbh some teachers cant even deal w their emotions from marriage, kids, family. srry love my teachers but its just facts srry ☹️
Gabrielle Hudson exactly fully support u. 😆 like how we suppose to trust teachers when we can’t even trust the police to protect all people of all races religions n backgrounds?
If it was harder/impossible to get a gun, then maybe we wouldn't need so many guns to defend against other guns.
False, criminals don't follow the law and will still obtain them, therefore leaving law abiding citizens helpless, specially for those that don't live in major towns.
@@richardcannon6227 and that’s exactly what happens in other countries and the rate of gun violence is still lower it’s kinda common sense to make them harder to get
@@richardcannon6227 they wouldn't be helpless, as long as they follow the correct regulations and protocols that allow for them to obtain a gun then they will have their own protection. not every person deserves to have a gun, and implementing some sort of control limits possible mass shootings and separate incidents to a degree.
@Shaniya Straight we already have that set in place! If you don't know this, then that means you've never purchased a firearm before. Educate yourself.
@@richardcannon6227 obviously we already have regulations set in place. i don’t have to own or buy a gun to know this. it’s pretty much common sense. i’m saying there needs to be MORE restriction. while background checks are held up to standard by law, mental health reporting laws vary from state to state, and this is one of the many loop holes where a gun can end up in the wrong hands. and yes guns can be obtained illegally and will continue to do so, but our government and we as the citizens of this country need to continue to add these restrictions bcuz one less gun in the wrong hands will end up saving many lives.
I think they should’ve had someone specifically anti gun though
LITERALLY all of them seemed like right leaning pro gun and im just not here for it
there wasnt enough diversity of opinipn
Bettina
The episode wasn’t pro gun vs anti gun.
The opinions were diverse as intended.
Bettina lol it’s not pro gun vs anti gun, it’s nra members and mass shooting survivors. I’m not sure about you but pretty much everyone I know, liberal, conservative, doesn’t matter, atleast agrees we should have the right to own guns. Guns can save lives. Not saying there shouldn’t be reform but the government should not even ban firearms completely
They have a middle ground video on exactly that, just because they were "victims of gun violence" doesn't mean they can't have their own independent opinions about the subject.
“If everyone has a gun then their would be no mass shooting” - America
Big Brain America
America is really going down now .
Gun violence ,racial discrimination, economic loss .....I don't know why ? Isn't America supposed to be am example for other countries
funny how you are making fun of america for gun violence when you don't live here
i’m so embarrassed for us😔
Statistics show areas with lax gun laws have lower crime rates. It's fact.
@@arldsouza8463 Gun violence isn't comparable to mass shootings. Gun violence includes gang violence, which is considered a social and economic issue, versus mass shootings, which are generally considered a mental health issue. Racial discrimination does not statistically exist, unless you in Affirmative Action, which actively discriminates based on race, affecting Asians most negatively. The current economic loss is due to the pandemic, unemployment numbers were the lowest they had ever been.
Can we get Americans vs Rest Of The World? Unironically, it seems most Americans live in a bubble.
This isn't a "diss" towards America and it's people, but personally to me it feels like America is the two teams playing in the football pitch and the rest of the world is the audience.
For an American the world is comprised of them and that's it. Minimal effort for learning about other countries or the world around. And if they do receive information about the world, it's often from negative biased prospective.
are you Canadian or British?
Well there is an ocean between us and most of the world.
The US is very large and it's hard to get exposure to different countries as they are so far away. So yes you could say "a bubble" in the sense that compared to European counties they are much more isolated and can easily live their full lives without going anywhere else.
Sharmarko A bubble the size of the entire European continent with almost as many people?
It's borderline wrong to justify guns with a group of people that survived mass shootings.
How is it borderline wrong? Do you think it’s wrong?
No.
@@NBH-xh3nq because they think with emotions not facts
the people that didnt come forward after he said america has a mass shooting problem... are they ok???
it’s insane how ignorant they are
@@madamedukespeaks It is a problem, but percentage wise, its a tiny minority of all shootings by far. Thats not ignorance thats statistics and people can have different opinions about it.
Wheat and Tares even one mass shooting should be leverage to change gun laws, if you don't, you either value your current laws too high or your citizens too low
Lauryn Blake omg yess. the IGNORANCE IS BLINDING i couldn’t even finish the episode
@Mohammad Ayman That is nonsense. "Natural" Deaths and suicides have completely different causes, namely one is due to health related causes, age, disease accidents etc., causes that are out of control, the other is suicide which is intentional. Mass shootings and shootings have the same causes, which is directed violence via guns, which is a subcategory of gun violence. School shootings(17 school shooting related deaths in 2019 in a 300 million country making up 0,15% of all gun related homicides) are even a more minor category within the category of gun violence, they make up a tiny tiny fraction of mass shootings. You are comparing oranges to apples. Does the US have a problem with mass shootings? Sure. Is it the main problem? NO. 11,000 homicides per year via gun violence. You had 366 mass shootings in 2019, 176 of them didnt even result in one death. So Mass shooting make up a little over 1% of overall deaths by firearms(excluding suicides)
America, you need to wake up. Look at these comments. People from other countries are commenting on here and every one of them say that they have never experienced this. It's just depressing america...
Im from canada and we literally just had a shooting that killed 22 people.
@@Anthony-op7xz shhhh that doesn't fit their narrative
@@Anthony-op7xz compare that to 360 mas shootings in usa in 2019. I agree with "moonlightyaX x", they gotta wake up and realize it's a problem. (im norwegian)
@@unlucky5442 We could all move down to Mexico and South America they don't have any gun violence . : )
@@Anthony-op7xz canada is neighbors with america so this doesnt surprise me too much. but it doesnt change the fact that this happens way more in america, a country that refuses to do anything about guns than it does in other countries
I’m from Europe and this whole conversation seemed full on nonsense to me. Every country deals with mental health problems but not every country deals with gun violence. Period.
Guns are the most popular choice due to culture. More lives are saved by guns than killed. The amounts saved are in the tens of thousands while casualties from shootings are in the hundreds. Take away guns and you screw law abiding citizens from defending themselves from every single other form of crime which are way bigger problems than school shootings ever was.
If you want gold standard gun laws look to the Czech Republic
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Seeing this conversation (in combination with our country’s last 4 years especially) has made me really ashamed to be an American
@@supperfuntime36 Please move out of there or get better presidents. I would actually let someone in my country (and I'm talking your situation) that does not want to be in America in the next 8 years.
As a Canadian I cannot believe what comes out of Heathers mouth
Heather reminds me of women in half of America. She's not atypical.
She profits off of people owning guns, since she teaches them for a living.. what did you expect? Typical greed.
Crime in general happens mostly in large cities. Canada has I think three large cities - so not a lot of crime to consider. The USA has hundreds of large cities. When comparing large cities where the victims are disarmed (Chicago) with large cities where the victims are allowed to arm themselves (Houston) - you are safer where criminals are worried that their victim may be armed. Heather understands this reality - and so she is happy when people she knows takes measures to be safer.
Wouldn't it make you happy to find out that a friend who hates seat belts finally tells you they changed their mind and will wear theirs from now on?
You’re Canadian, you don’t know what freedom means, of course you don’t understand.
As a responsible gun owner and now security guard, nor can I.