Are All Cops Bastards? Police vs Criminals | Middle Ground

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    0:01 intro
    0:26 Cops should not carry guns
    12:52 Police violence is blown out of proportion
    21:52 Committing a crime is never justified
    33:51 Criminals who commit violent felonies don't deserve certain legal rights
    34:43 I fear the other side
    43:47 Policing is necessary
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 15 тис.

  • @jubilee
    @jubilee  Рік тому +1275

    So what are your thoughts on this prompt: Police violence is blown out of proportion. Let us know your thoughts down below 👇

    • @BadaBadger
      @BadaBadger Рік тому +277

      It isn’t blown out. But this entire episode was both entertaining but felt VERY one sided.

    • @devin3955
      @devin3955 Рік тому +331

      It should not have been Cops vs. Criminals. It should’ve just been Cops vs. Citizens. Both these groups are going to have an obvious bias towards the other. Also, it’s more likely that the criminals will be less educated while the cops are more likely to be educated to a certain degree. The only ones I enjoyed from that side was Donna and Bonnie.

    • @umaiar
      @umaiar Рік тому +1

      No, it's not blown out of proportion. Their purpose should be to keep people safe and be role models. Instead, when they commit violence they get protected, fired and re-employed at other departments, and on and on.
      As it stands now, their job is to lie, intimidate people into compliance, and run a razor thin line on the side of legality. Their job is, by definition, violence. And when they cross that line into illegal behavior, they should be humiliated and hung out to dry. Not protected.

    • @MrWestopher
      @MrWestopher Рік тому +2

      Media corporations get huge amounts of money from over reporting and over dramatizing many issues, police violence being one of them. It’s as simple as that

    • @llPhenomenonll
      @llPhenomenonll Рік тому +80

      yes and no. I can only speak of the things i see in Media since im from Germany and we dont have such Problems. I know many Europeans say that but: Its the Guns fault. Police has to be armed because every citizen can be aswell. How often have you done things like cussing at a loved one because youre in a bad mood? Its the same just aggrevated to way higher level. If you had no Guns you would have not that level of threat that criminals bring. Someone robs a cornerstore with a knife is way easier to take control of than a robber with a Gun. So Yes and No. Police is mad because colleagues getting murdered left and right but so are the communities if a loved one getting killed because some cop has a trigger finger. This chain of violence will not stop if the weapons are so easy to come by-

  • @T-Man_865
    @T-Man_865 8 місяців тому +9715

    Criminals need to take accountability and bad cops need to be held accountable. Period

    • @bohannonorr7665
      @bohannonorr7665 7 місяців тому +102

      THIS.

    • @ShifuCareaga
      @ShifuCareaga 7 місяців тому +138

      you win the internet and Jubilee today. FINALLY, a smart comment.

    • @Kekoa552
      @Kekoa552 7 місяців тому +123

      I hate how criminals justify that there shouldn’t be no punishment as well as cops THEY ALL NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE

    • @ejwillison2001
      @ejwillison2001 7 місяців тому +10

      PREACH IT BROTHA!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @Diamond-ox9bd
      @Diamond-ox9bd 7 місяців тому +2

      exactly

  • @emmygoldman1065
    @emmygoldman1065 Рік тому +30956

    I’d LOVE to see an American cops vs Other developed nations’ cops. That’s a conversation that really needs to be addressed bc it is NOT the same here.

    • @JeyC_
      @JeyC_ Рік тому +207

      Not the same by how?

    • @jubilee
      @jubilee  Рік тому +3933

      This would be interesting!

    • @nicholasm4013
      @nicholasm4013 Рік тому +1

      @@JeyC_ because American cops abuse their power

    • @cammymaya3516
      @cammymaya3516 Рік тому +611

      This 100% needs to happen

    • @smashrosa8111
      @smashrosa8111 Рік тому +359

      Yeah that could be an intersting conversation because there is a big shift between American police officers and those who aren't.

  • @edwardgraftonhilliii7270
    @edwardgraftonhilliii7270 Місяць тому +376

    Charlie has got to be the most insufferable, childish, ignorant person. He is so comfortable accusing those cops who wanted to have a genuine conversation, as if they did wrong to him personally. It was really frustrating to see how respectful these cops were, while these people just treated them so poorly.

    • @Ryzan562
      @Ryzan562 8 годин тому +3

      He’s a professional victim.

  • @neonpyre7469
    @neonpyre7469 9 днів тому +32

    I got arrested for nothing, so I refused to answer, but I was doing drugs tho
    lol what

  • @teeradacka
    @teeradacka Рік тому +15553

    The fact that all of the women in the room were raped is horrifying..

    • @stpeta17
      @stpeta17 Рік тому +1359

      @@aClownBaby- sexual harassment is not the same as experiencing a rape though. I would say they are completely different. One is more traumatizing than the other.

    • @idab6864
      @idab6864 Рік тому

      I know more women who have been raped than I know women who haven't, if that tells you anything

    • @anthonymc8361
      @anthonymc8361 Рік тому +402

      OR, not undermining the seriousness of rape, but it could be what they claimed to happen. These days the word rape and assault is just too cheap for me personally.

    • @tiffanimcmillian3058
      @tiffanimcmillian3058 Рік тому +1077

      ​@Anthony MC thats kinda fd up. U can tell they werent lying nd 99 percent of ppl dnt lie abt being raped

    • @lead6186
      @lead6186 Рік тому +893

      ​@@anthonymc8361 excuse me??? Are you for real???

  • @darrenashjames
    @darrenashjames 10 місяців тому +4071

    Charlie was too immature and too uneducated for a conversation like this but he is an example of the type of people police deal with.

    • @keilanscott1098
      @keilanscott1098 10 місяців тому

      No police just suck

    • @iplayCoDandBF
      @iplayCoDandBF 10 місяців тому +194

      Charlie has a lot of anger and trauma and he's still pretty young. I know you wouldn't get it, Darren.

    • @darrenashjames
      @darrenashjames 9 місяців тому +612

      @@iplayCoDandBF I've been through plenty of trauma, I just don't live my life as a victim.

    • @iplayCoDandBF
      @iplayCoDandBF 9 місяців тому +86

      @@darrenashjames yea dude you tell those minorities to just get over it!

    • @iplayCoDandBF
      @iplayCoDandBF 9 місяців тому +23

      @@darrenashjames whole lot of cooning in this comment section lmao

  • @gaylabujnowski6959
    @gaylabujnowski6959 Місяць тому +325

    Retired LEO. I can tell you, with complete truthfulness, people like Charlie are not an anomaly. Cops deal with that level of absurd ignorance, from criminals and non criminals alike, daily.

    • @Jjdjwjdirj8534
      @Jjdjwjdirj8534 Місяць тому +16

      Ohhh poor you

    • @samstromberg5593
      @samstromberg5593 Місяць тому +56

      @@Jjdjwjdirj8534Wow I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an eloquent counter argument
      I mean you really did just shatter his whole worldview and leave him no opportunity for rebuttal
      His point was that maybe there’s a reason cops go into encounters with little patience

    • @Jjdjwjdirj8534
      @Jjdjwjdirj8534 Місяць тому

      @@samstromberg5593 it’s UA-cam, you dunce. I’m not a debate bro trying to change anyone’s worldview. Just felt like clowning on him a bit kinda how I’m clowning on you too rn.

    • @video631king
      @video631king 22 дні тому +25

      Charlie was the worst. Most annoying person to ever see on this show. There was some real ignorant annoying people that appeared on this series and the UA-cam platform… but I must say… Charlie is competing for the gold trophy of “special”.

    • @laurencameron3150
      @laurencameron3150 12 днів тому +4

      And people deal with bad cops on a daily! 😂 Civilian and cops are having the same experiences

  • @Joe-px2kp
    @Joe-px2kp Місяць тому +138

    “can we take a smoke break then”
    Felt that in MY SOUL

  • @user-ne5fz2jo3m
    @user-ne5fz2jo3m Рік тому +10294

    Uvalde was a TERRIBLE example on the cops behalf considering those cops had guns and still waited outside while children died

    • @heathertea2704
      @heathertea2704 Рік тому +440

      FACTS!!!

    • @marioanddj
      @marioanddj Рік тому +262

      but yea Uvalde's response was terrible

    • @dsong2006
      @dsong2006 Рік тому +111

      what is the probability that #1 there is a civilian or multiple civilians with a gun, #2 he has the balls and the weapon capable of neutralizing the threat and #3 he has the training required to take this threat out without any collateral damage? I agree a lot police departments have handled similar situations horribly, but I still think the odds of ending these type of situations with the least number of casualties is higher when the police show up. Lets get out of emotions and try to rationalize this and rely more on data

    • @paradigm7582
      @paradigm7582 Рік тому +78

      True that was something he clearly didn't consider

    • @siiiiiuu7
      @siiiiiuu7 Рік тому +256

      Yeah, I get the point he was trying to make. Cops obviously need to be armed around dangerous individuals, but such a bad example to use.

  • @lexibrowning7447
    @lexibrowning7447 Рік тому +6067

    Charlie is.... something. "If my daughter gets kidnapped, I'm not calling the police. I'm going to try to find her myself." As a daughter, please, dads, call the police if we get kidnapped.

    • @Andrina-fl9ef
      @Andrina-fl9ef Рік тому

      Yeah, everyone hates on cops until they need them.

    • @ariestorres6713
      @ariestorres6713 Рік тому +444

      Yeah he seemed very traumatized, understandably so- but I think he was talking more out of emotion than anything else. Especially saying he was addicted to the news, seeing as the news is geared and targeted to run one specific narrative. (I'm not with or against cops, just something I noticed about Charlie's narrative)

    • @akutenshi6946
      @akutenshi6946 Рік тому +326

      Call the cops just for the sake of documenting everything, still go look for your daughter yourself

    • @ricotrejo4125
      @ricotrejo4125 Рік тому +19

      For sure my thought, even though I can understand some of what he said, I mean I'm pretty sure that the situation you should call a cop

    • @lalaadams8487
      @lalaadams8487 Рік тому +67

      Yeah, Charlie was trippin' ha

  • @ericasvlogs
    @ericasvlogs 29 днів тому +110

    holy crap the amount of times the criminals kept interupting the police officers☠☠

    • @yarioi
      @yarioi 16 днів тому +9

      Ikr, it’s so sad bc they don’t actually care what they say. The criminals have their own projections and hatred and aren’t open to hearing them out.

    • @yoonbum4877
      @yoonbum4877 7 днів тому +5

      @@yarioiwho do you think gave them those experiences

    • @jonathanlopez9401
      @jonathanlopez9401 7 днів тому +7

      ​@@yoonbum4877that's not an excuse for them to interrupt them consistently like huh. Both sides have traumas. Their in a well structured area to discuss appropriately. If they have to interrupt rather than listen first then respond, we'll maybe they shouldn't be here if they can't handle this complex discussion.

    • @yakzivz1104
      @yakzivz1104 2 дні тому +3

      @@yoonbum4877 they did it to themselves. it is not that hard to not break the law.

    • @gabeross515
      @gabeross515 День тому

      @@yoonbum4877like getting arrested?

  • @eggtotheroll
    @eggtotheroll 23 дні тому +105

    Charlie is one smooth-brained individual. He should continue to stare at his road flares that he loved to mention so much.

    • @Michael-fl4wb
      @Michael-fl4wb 4 дні тому +2

      😂😂😂

    • @AstronautFilms
      @AstronautFilms День тому +2

      I genuinely thought I was gonna have a stroke everytime he opened his mouth

    • @trantorthetroll8768
      @trantorthetroll8768 12 годин тому +2

      I’d say all of the convict side lacked brain cells

  • @HopeWren
    @HopeWren Рік тому +2737

    Respectfully the moderator failed this middle ground. So much interrupting and talking over that had it been dealt with would’ve added to a much more helpful middle ground 😔

    • @aguy9071
      @aguy9071 Рік тому +88

      She was scared because there was a lot of tension and power in that room.

    • @Artliker1234
      @Artliker1234 Рік тому +24

      @@aguy9071 oh brother no 😂 she doesn't usually interrupt

    • @chaeryeong991
      @chaeryeong991 Рік тому

      @@cedricdavis513 what does this gotta do with gender……. yall always bring gender into places where it doesnt fit

    • @fantasy-91
      @fantasy-91 Рік тому +15

      @@cedricdavis513 ???????????

    • @debwilson1436
      @debwilson1436 Рік тому +3

      @@cedricdavis513 please expand what you mean. Typical woman to this comment means nothing

  • @throwaway2052
    @throwaway2052 Рік тому +6311

    i think no matter what side anyone is on, we can all agree this conversation was monitored poorly.

    • @TheStepmonkey
      @TheStepmonkey Рік тому +86

      What side?? You think anyone should support criminals? That's disgusting...

    • @mesg4
      @mesg4 Рік тому +118

      No it wasn't. Just because one side disagreed/was offended by prompts and hard conversations doesn't mean it was monitored poorly.

    • @iceywolf1
      @iceywolf1 Рік тому +238

      ​@TheStepmonkey What side? You think anyone should support cops? That's disgusting

    • @nataliahall236
      @nataliahall236 Рік тому

      @@TheStepmonkey i support criminals

    • @lickmyloafbruh
      @lickmyloafbruh Рік тому +32

      @@iceywolf1I like criminals, they liberate us

  • @minipolitician7018
    @minipolitician7018 2 місяці тому +204

    Charlie was actually SO frustrating.

  • @MikeyScott5C
    @MikeyScott5C 9 днів тому +44

    That Cop is a fool to keep bringing up Uvalde.
    The police did nothing, but stood there like some cowards.

    • @G59forlife.
      @G59forlife. 2 дні тому

      Yeah it’s a bad example but no way you seriously said “fool” ☠️

    • @G59forlife.
      @G59forlife. 2 дні тому

      Is bro in the 1700s?

    • @bradf9977
      @bradf9977 День тому

      They should be charged!!!

  • @bradc9012
    @bradc9012 8 місяців тому +3012

    scar's life seemed like a sad result of racism and police abuse in previous eras, while charle's sad life a result of idiocy and bad decisions.

    • @skty1
      @skty1 7 місяців тому +15

      ong

    • @jennifermcmillan9518
      @jennifermcmillan9518 7 місяців тому +24

      I know. I just want to hug him.

    • @tristandimitrijev3195
      @tristandimitrijev3195 7 місяців тому

      Bad culture up briging that led to cops to suspect on him, he sad becasue there is crime, if there were no crime, plice would have to be so harsh.Stop supporting you bro criminal.that is the message

    • @littledonut6994
      @littledonut6994 7 місяців тому +35

      More like he started in the hood and didn’t chance who he hangs around.

    • @whythissucks829
      @whythissucks829 6 місяців тому +10

      hopefully he doesnt have children

  • @DijonDonuts
    @DijonDonuts 7 місяців тому +2674

    Charlie is the epitome of why ex-convicts get a bad rep. He's ignorant, rude, and refuses to act like a civilian even in a setting where he isn't under distress or threat.

    • @bigtomDW
      @bigtomDW 6 місяців тому

      Low IQ, hes just not that bright

    • @austin5950
      @austin5950 6 місяців тому +12

      okay cat boy 😂

    • @DijonDonuts
      @DijonDonuts 6 місяців тому +235

      @@austin5950Yes I do in fact like cats.

    • @MC_Smuv
      @MC_Smuv 6 місяців тому +44

      Imagine yourself in a room with 4 people who represent a type of people that have wrongfully made your life hard hundreds, if not thousands, of times and then type that ignorant & rude comment again 😉

    • @HoangNguyen-hv1qy
      @HoangNguyen-hv1qy 6 місяців тому +173

      ​@@MC_SmuvCops make life hard for criminals.. 😂

  • @Kesiimoon
    @Kesiimoon Місяць тому +214

    they don't even let the cops talk. They did not come to have a conversation. They came to yell & tell them they hate them and that's it.

    • @UpFromHere25
      @UpFromHere25 Місяць тому +6

      Ikr!!!😆😆

    • @NECKBRACEBRO
      @NECKBRACEBRO Місяць тому +9

      Boo Hoo!

    • @Kesiimoon
      @Kesiimoon Місяць тому +11

      @@NECKBRACEBRO you alright ?

    • @ReelNinja1
      @ReelNinja1 26 днів тому +4

      Facts. This was just a group of emotional people complaining at officers that don’t know them…except for the black woman. She seemed very level headed and intelligent

    • @uzo9887
      @uzo9887 25 днів тому +1

      @@Kesiimoonbut also did you notice how the tone started to soften up a bit the more everyone was able to express themselves? Patience and understanding can go a long way versus just reacting to someone’s ptsd. Kudos to the cops for caring and actually listening despite the tension that was there.

  • @jxflem5588
    @jxflem5588 8 днів тому +12

    Donna has a very calm voice.i like when she talk they all just listen.its a healing calm voice she has a lot to give.

  • @xanieyd1985
    @xanieyd1985 7 місяців тому +2159

    After hearing Charlie talk about the car scenario, I'm convinced that all his local cops know him and his history

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 місяців тому +80

      They probably popped popcorn and had a watch party at the station to hear Charlie finally get his shot to say his piece.

    • @tristandimitrijev3195
      @tristandimitrijev3195 7 місяців тому +35

      the havaiian girl also

    • @beardedbros7215
      @beardedbros7215 6 місяців тому +26

      My town has a family called the Seelingers. Meth family, domestic abuse, theft, assault. They’re known for causing trouble and being all around unrepentant and violent. No one I know has any sympathy for them. With a criminal record as long as that family’s, it’s hard to even want to have sympathy.

    • @quincyking010
      @quincyking010 5 місяців тому +25

      my guess is that he is a habitual law breaker who is in the station every week based on his behavior and context from what he said

    • @davidpatterson3614
      @davidpatterson3614 5 місяців тому +45

      The fact he absolutely refused to let the cop say anything shows there will never be a interaction that would be non confrontational.

  • @TheMusic2007
    @TheMusic2007 7 місяців тому +3107

    Charlie is a prime example of what nonsense cops deal with.

    • @ds82wrestling
      @ds82wrestling 7 місяців тому +299

      Charlie is almost certainly guilty and triggered. Who wants to bet when he was stopped by a cop it was because he had committed a crime?

    • @speclt
      @speclt 7 місяців тому +6

      I don’t get it.

    • @volslover1504
      @volslover1504 7 місяців тому

      Charlie has been brainwashed over time. It's easy to see. You can tell him that he has been programmed.

    • @empiretradingacademy3866
      @empiretradingacademy3866 7 місяців тому +30

      100%

    • @thegrabbindragon9834
      @thegrabbindragon9834 7 місяців тому +212

      Charlie is a clown . He’s probably the type to have a gun while telling the cops not to have a gun.

  • @yarioi
    @yarioi 16 днів тому +18

    Charlie is extremely unintelligent, and shows how frustrating he is. He just admitted he didn’t serve that much time as the others. I understand how you think cops are all bad people and I used to think that. I’m a criminal Justice major to become a detective and I believe that not all cops are bad. I used to not believe that. They have their own stories, they have their own opinions about cops but if love for these “felons” to actually sit down and have a long conversation with a cop. Truly.

  • @eyesobt
    @eyesobt Місяць тому +141

    Police officer said uvalde like they weren’t sitting outside with the guns doing absolutely nothing 😂

    • @gamingwithspvcx1964
      @gamingwithspvcx1964 19 днів тому +3

      Exactly for 2 hours

    • @kingslayerdamocles3019
      @kingslayerdamocles3019 17 днів тому

      You mean they used their guns to keep parents from saving their kids

    • @frankliamanass9948
      @frankliamanass9948 11 днів тому +11

      They were too busy stopping the real heroes from saving their children, the parents.

    • @MattMasters-iv8gd
      @MattMasters-iv8gd День тому

      I thought the same thing as well.

    • @twstdreality
      @twstdreality День тому

      Blame the police chief, they were just following orders so they could keep their job

  • @beefy45
    @beefy45 5 місяців тому +1515

    How does Jubilee manage to always find someone that is insufferable

    • @nexusoflife
      @nexusoflife 4 місяці тому

      They do it on purpose to create drama and drive up views.

    • @alcoholicbunny2649
      @alcoholicbunny2649 4 місяці тому +70

      Nahhh this guy hella different. I could sit through and still listen to an insufferable person but he’s on another level. Omg it crazyyyy. I’m so ready to say everything that happened to him and well deserved and like I’m getting physically upset and it’s bad that I feel this way for a person in a video on the internet. But omg it ridiculous

    • @91toinfinity
      @91toinfinity 4 місяці тому +26

      They do it on purpose to rile up emotions

    • @Corekidbeenybunny
      @Corekidbeenybunny 4 місяці тому +2

      Which person?

    • @anna-blinks
      @anna-blinks 3 місяці тому +21

      @@Corekidbeenybunny Charlie

  • @QueensNYgirlie1988
    @QueensNYgirlie1988 Рік тому +3265

    It's crazy how it took Scar to say he's done filming for them to stop talking over eachother. It calmed down so much after that.

    • @dani09eveline
      @dani09eveline Рік тому +215

      He didn’t want to continue because the questions were confusing him. And they’re calm because they went on a smoke break

    • @Ayveh
      @Ayveh Рік тому +372

      Seriously Jubilee did SUCH A HORRIBLE job in handling this video. They didn't step it and tell them to shut it and let the other side speak.

    • @tashboog5458
      @tashboog5458 Рік тому +40

      @@dani09eveline yea confusion is not what he said, beloved. Replay that part.

    • @turnbasedtoddy7664
      @turnbasedtoddy7664 Рік тому +13

      Alot of the questions are filmed out of order so you may be wrong

    • @drew9453
      @drew9453 Рік тому +33

      @@turnbasedtoddy7664 I don't think it necessarily matters what order they filmed... the fact of the matter is that AT SOME POINT... Scar was irritated with the questions and how the conversations were being moderated. Plus, I don't even believe that it was actually filmed out of order and you're just saying how you think EVERY production operates. The types of questions that were asked and the order that they are in make PERFECT sense as to why they would have actually asked them in the order that they are in the video. Plus, if you really pay attention, there are a lot of moments that people bring up ideas that were spoken about in previous prompts. For example... the fact that they kept bringing up the women having been sexually assaulted. If the prompts were in a different order, they wouldn't have known that the women had those experiences or brought them up later in the video if they were out of order.
      Not to mention... they wouldn't have even PUT that clip of him saying he didn't want to continue if it wasn't being filmed in progressive order of the video. What would be the point?

  • @user-kb5wd2ds7n
    @user-kb5wd2ds7n 5 днів тому +10

    As an ex Police officer from the UK who only carried a taser. I didn't feel like I needed a firearm, as we have specialised units and back up was very close. However, If I had worked in America, 100% I would require a firearm. I've been in some incredibly dangerous positions but luckily the suspect was not carrying a firearm and I could deal with the situation with the resources that I had. However, a suspect armed with a firearm is a very different situation.

  • @Justin-ly9zw
    @Justin-ly9zw Місяць тому +15

    “I’m answering the valid points validly”

  • @Naxatthedoor
    @Naxatthedoor 6 місяців тому +775

    Not only does Charlie think a person with a badge shouldn’t ask him a single question but apparently he also thinks he’s Batman

    • @hueykraymond
      @hueykraymond 6 місяців тому +7

      😂😂😂

    • @Oggg963
      @Oggg963 5 місяців тому

      The Fifth Amendmen imbecile coward 😂

    • @peestrem31
      @peestrem31 4 місяці тому +6

      yeah or the guy from Taken

    • @meekysenpai
      @meekysenpai 3 місяці тому +12

      😂😂😂 he’s a character.
      Most of those “sovereign” citizens act like that too. As funny as it is, it’s really sad that an adult can CHOOSE to be like that.

    • @Naxatthedoor
      @Naxatthedoor 3 місяці тому +1

      @@peestrem31 unfortunately for him, he’s neither a billionaire or an ex CIA agent 😂

  • @xgfreedom
    @xgfreedom 9 місяців тому +615

    As a Korean living in the states, ex convicts not wanting cops to handle firearm using other countries where cops do not carry guns while respecting 2nd amendments baffles me. Yes, cops from my home country does not carry firearms but that is because we DO NOT have firearm incidents. However, in the states cops do not have that luxury.

    • @ThisIsMyAlt0
      @ThisIsMyAlt0 8 місяців тому +35

      For real. We've had school shootings 28 times out of the 36 weeks we've had this year. Prohibiting cops from lethal force against someone actively firing with thousands of targets is insanity. I've had 2 friends this year who've been in school shootings and they're alive because of cops with firearms.

    • @leia7190
      @leia7190 7 місяців тому +9

      Thats why America needs to implement strict gun laws.

    • @jamesreagan8175
      @jamesreagan8175 7 місяців тому

      "You need guns to combat guns" then get rid of the guns and you won't have that problem. The most popular argument against this (the black market) is silly as the black market exists all over the world and yet somehow there are no where near as many school shootings anywhere else in the western world than America, where guns seem to be basically handed out to its citizens. Why are there so many mass shootings?

    • @rickmin3566
      @rickmin3566 7 місяців тому +9

      Cops in S. Korea do carry guns. They carry modified .38 revolvers. But are not as equipped as American Police officers.

    • @xgfreedom
      @xgfreedom 7 місяців тому

      @@rickmin3566 They are allowed to but most of the times they do not except for the special occasions.

  • @ItsMeDee3
    @ItsMeDee3 12 днів тому +14

    I can see why Charlie is an ex-con. He is really childish and his conversation with everyone there is ignorant. He’ll be back in jail

  • @TheonlyKirindaMarie
    @TheonlyKirindaMarie 23 дні тому +10

    Time stamp 27:59 this literally happened to me years ago. I was on the phone waiting for help I got out the car walking towards the back of my car and a female cop yelled “GET TF BACK, I DONT PLAY THAT SH*+!” I was so confused and upset. I didn’t do anything I had my young child in the car. There’s no denying that POC face major implicit bias when cops deal with them.

  • @theforgottenone666
    @theforgottenone666 8 місяців тому +850

    I think we can all agree that Charlie is the only dude there not ready to talk about and make a change. Dudes part of the problem.

    • @akosnemeth
      @akosnemeth 7 місяців тому +32

      I felt the same sometimes with Scar.

    • @whythissucks829
      @whythissucks829 6 місяців тому

      hes not part of the problem, he IS the problem. IQ of a banana.

    • @shawnrutherford8523
      @shawnrutherford8523 6 місяців тому +10

      @@akosnemeth and Bonnie

    • @PunoBendito
      @PunoBendito 6 місяців тому +21

      Every convict but Donna was a waste of a spot in this conversation

    • @juancoronado3736
      @juancoronado3736 5 місяців тому +9

      @@PunoBenditofor sure, Donna is the only one who bothered to listen to a different point of view

  • @LuZu_
    @LuZu_ Рік тому +2653

    Next time, Jubilee, intervene and show authority if you’re hosting a debate. There’s a difference between letting a feud resolve itself and letting someone take something completely off base/take over the topic.

    • @rainydayspecialinjuly
      @rainydayspecialinjuly Рік тому +29

      agree.

    • @TwoGirlsOneMacBook
      @TwoGirlsOneMacBook Рік тому +70

      100% agree! I usually enjoy jubilee videos but this one missed the mark completely as far as handling the interviewees and making sure everyone had a chance to speak

    • @87enoughBULL
      @87enoughBULL Рік тому +20

      I couldn't finish watching this video. It was THAT bad.

    • @hollow9846
      @hollow9846 Рік тому +36

      No, I enjoy the unfiltered discussions being taken. Middle ground used to be heavily edited, people have requested for this as it's counter-intuitive to edit/intervene in a discussion meant to show both sides.

    • @GothicTonic
      @GothicTonic Рік тому +25

      I agree. If you, as a youtube channel, put together these debates, you have the responsibility to manage when someone interrupts someone else to the point where they cannot get their thoughts across. I swear, lately, I've felt that people like Charlie get away with these things in middle ground whereas in episodes before, it wasn't like this. I don't care who you are, everyone deserves a turn to speak, that's just human decency. Please guys, this is a great concept, I can't sit here and watch how people just don't have respect for other people's thoughts and views where they don't even allow them to speak. It's truly a miserable viewing experience.

  • @adonaimorton6782
    @adonaimorton6782 27 днів тому +40

    "I'm a sweet person"... Jailed for selling hard drugs to the community lol

    • @DanielPotter311
      @DanielPotter311 25 днів тому +8

      So you think that criminals aren't able to be sweet, kind people?

    • @KoreyBumble
      @KoreyBumble 9 днів тому +3

      @@DanielPotter311 No not really.

    • @Henry-sd7vd
      @Henry-sd7vd 3 дні тому

      @@DanielPotter311 If you're selling hard drugs? I dont think so lol

    • @David-ol6zj
      @David-ol6zj День тому +1

      ​@@Henry-sd7vd Doctors are some of the nicest people

  • @hoseamatthews5558
    @hoseamatthews5558 Місяць тому +31

    Only Nineteen Countries have unarmed PATROL officers, Bhutan, Botswana, China, Cook Islands, Fiji, Iceland, Ireland, Kiribati, Malawi, Marshall Islands, Nauru, New Zealand, Niue, Norway, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, the United Kingdom (except for Northern Ireland), the U.S. Virgin Islands and Vanuatu. majority of which have a very low crime rate.

    • @ThisGuyWithTheShirt
      @ThisGuyWithTheShirt Місяць тому +4

      And when the criminals have your family at gun point and you’re unarmed, what are you gonna do?

    • @yarioi
      @yarioi 16 днів тому +5

      ⁠@@ThisGuyWithTheShirtthey don’t have guns. Period. Regular civilians in those countries can’t have guns, if law enforcement like police can’t have guns, what’s makes you think regular people can? Only national police officers can carry firearms or serious weapons. So what you’re trying to say is wrong. If they had a knife that would be different, you’d get police officers to deescalate the situation or if it’s serious wait for the national police. But then again, there isn’t much crime in those countries so it’s very unlikely and rare.

    • @bonerchamp2695
      @bonerchamp2695 8 днів тому

      ​@@yarioiso youre saying if guns are illegal, noone has a gun?

    • @NameHere1234
      @NameHere1234 8 днів тому

      ​@@yarioi You just basically added nothing. What happens when a criminal, someone who doesn't follow their country's laws, holds your family at gunpoint. A regular civilian obviously wouldn't have a gun because they wouldn't be committing a crime. That's like me saying there are no drugs in my country because they are illegal and people can't have them.

    • @kermaraff5188
      @kermaraff5188 8 днів тому +3

      @@NameHere1234low crime rate = that doesn’t happen often in that country. And what they said was when that does happen they try to deescalate and wait for national police officers with guns to show up.

  • @bryanzoom97
    @bryanzoom97 Рік тому +4007

    It was very clear that all the ex felons were severely traumatized it definitely felt like a third group was needed like maybe a non-criminal perspective

    • @elianamazurr.5722
      @elianamazurr.5722 Рік тому +143

      If Jubilee has any money from this they should put it where their mouth is and put it towards organizations trying to heal this trauma and end police violence.

    • @monithebarbie
      @monithebarbie Рік тому +133

      I am a non criminal and have the same perspective of the criminal side

    • @byrontownsel7274
      @byrontownsel7274 Рік тому +171

      @@monithebarbie Cops shouldn’t have guns? You’re not to bright are you?

    • @ericsanchez7005
      @ericsanchez7005 Рік тому +40

      @@byrontownsel7274 u never heard of non lethal guns

    • @MsRuntz
      @MsRuntz Рік тому +20

      Most definitely, these are people who spent years in prisons and jails which at the bare minimum is severely traumatizing, whether you did something or not. They spoke about what the police did to them when they weren't even committing crimes! The police officers can sympathize with the convicts but definitely cannot empathize.

  • @nambia2659
    @nambia2659 Рік тому +3130

    Scar tried to speak his points and opinions on each question and was continuously spoken over. Jubilee needs to step up more rather than letting people babble or ignore each other..

    • @TheStepmonkey
      @TheStepmonkey Рік тому

      Scar is a moron

    • @lizard8694
      @lizard8694 Рік тому +77

      There was one cop didn't even speak at all, did he?

    • @imHim710
      @imHim710 Рік тому +33

      ​@@lizard8694 he did but barely a few sentences

    • @_rufio116
      @_rufio116 Рік тому +24

      @@imHim710 yea because scar was going off every time unlike how this original comment tried to claim

    • @rickyjoe3709
      @rickyjoe3709 Рік тому +16

      nahh cus its cops, they dont want other people habing power over them so they talk over each other, ITS ALL ABOUT POWER TRIP

  • @allidgaf
    @allidgaf Місяць тому +6

    “can we take a smoke break then”
    shes so real for that 😭

  • @teddycustumz3267
    @teddycustumz3267 2 місяці тому +22

    I bet that charlie dude has an illegal firearm at his house but he’s telling the cops not to be armed. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. He’s probably pissed that he cant have one LEGALLY

    • @MarcoLopez-dt7lq
      @MarcoLopez-dt7lq 6 днів тому

      i think everyone should have at least one illegal firearm just in case the government tries to come take are legal guns away

  • @alfonsofrompoofesureswii6200
    @alfonsofrompoofesureswii6200 Рік тому +2205

    charlie the type of person to still argue even when he knows he’s wrong

    • @Ian-uo2mj
      @Ian-uo2mj Рік тому +217

      the type of person? He IS the exact person. That's all he did the entire episode

    • @samisugarcube
      @samisugarcube Рік тому +94

      @@Ian-uo2mj he was irritating me... ugh

    • @Daniel-ye6cl
      @Daniel-ye6cl Рік тому

      BRO I hated him what an ignorant mf.

    • @UndeadD0ctor
      @UndeadD0ctor Рік тому +15

      @@samisugarcube I just started this video and I’m about 2 mins in. I’m gonna reply on my opinions on that guy after I’m done

    • @Mewingtown
      @Mewingtown Рік тому +2

      Dan I don’t see Abby in the comments 😂😂

  • @charlesreed7663
    @charlesreed7663 10 місяців тому +956

    Charlie judging everyone and not respecting people’s opinion but expects everyone to give him respect and not get judged. He drives me crazy

    • @badandboujee4087
      @badandboujee4087 8 місяців тому

      He also looks like his breath stank

    • @-----GOD-----
      @-----GOD----- 8 місяців тому +43

      How virtuous these criminals are. They have all the answers.

    • @ilovemountains21
      @ilovemountains21 8 місяців тому +37

      And that’s the problem. He was so juvenile!! Still angry at the world instead of looking in. He was so cringe.

    • @jamesreagan8175
      @jamesreagan8175 7 місяців тому

      ​@@-----GOD----- To say nothing about the police; upholding a system which seeks punishment over rehabilitation makes you a dishonest coward when your slogan is to "serve and protect"

    • @candaceewell9582
      @candaceewell9582 7 місяців тому +7

      As soon as Marlon was questioned he got upset... should not be a cop anywhere

  • @stevenobrien7686
    @stevenobrien7686 2 місяці тому +11

    The arrogance of some of the people arguing with the officers is crazy. Emotions over common sense and reasonable logic. It's not like they didn't have some valid ideas, but much of what they said was either either based out of trauma, or arrogance. Very near sighted people.

  • @killiankuhn5727
    @killiankuhn5727 4 дні тому +2

    What's funny is that some of the ex-convicts don't want cops carrying guns, and a simple solution to that is that they wouldn't need to carry guns if convicts weren't running around acting like idiots. It shows how unintelligent convicts and ex-convicts are.

  • @kyraivy3737
    @kyraivy3737 3 місяці тому +901

    THAT GIRL SAYING HE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PATIENCE AFTER GETTING INTERRUPTED SEVERAL TIMES AFTER LETTING THE OTHER GUY SAY EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO SAY SENT ME OVER THE EDGE

    • @hopxfu1657
      @hopxfu1657 3 місяці тому +100

      istg charlie interrupting the cop being respectful made me so mad. like shush

    • @72horses75
      @72horses75 3 місяці тому +85

      Jubilee literally encouraged it to!! they never intervened when he talked over him for a SOLID MINUTE, they only intervene when he points out that he wants an actual debate setting where he can TALK. EVEN THEN THEY LET CHARLIE CREATE AN ENTIRE ESSAY AND THEN SILENCE THE COP AND TELL HIM TO WAIT HIS TURN WHEN HE TRIES TO INTERJECT. not only THAT but they had the gal to move onto the next question ebfore even letting him finish. They handled this HORRIBLY, shame on jubilee.

    • @Frosty-Jacket
      @Frosty-Jacket 3 місяці тому

      ​@@72horses75 I've noticed @jubilee does this semi-often from the videos I've seen. They're trying to virtue signaling and it's super obvious to anyone with an above room temp. I.Q.

    • @user-mv4md6or7x
      @user-mv4md6or7x 2 місяці тому +5

      Yes and no. He was getting hot and her point was look see

    • @MoeGoe-xt3en
      @MoeGoe-xt3en 2 місяці тому

      ​@@hopxfu1657Can you tag the timeline please.

  • @josephcokermusic
    @josephcokermusic 3 місяці тому +349

    Tell the worlds longest scenario about a traffic incident, cop goes to answer, interrupt him til he stops talking “wow you cops need more patience” lol

    • @BlurredUniverse357
      @BlurredUniverse357 2 місяці тому +11

      I laughed at that.

    • @rainwhenidie6666
      @rainwhenidie6666 2 місяці тому +5

      In a normal world yes thats crazy. The thing is though that makes her point valid is they are supposed to be held to a higher standard. They are supposed to be "trained" in de-escalation. That officer was trying to insert his dominance over that kid. He went so far as to look at the producers and knock him down a step. Believe it or not this is a very common behavior in police officers. Im in belief that cops are important but we are people too. Treat us that way.

    • @Unpolarised
      @Unpolarised 2 місяці тому +11

      @@rainwhenidie6666you’re blinded by your unwillingness to see the other side. He’s a human being who was being talked to like a child.. an officer not in an official setting (i.e. on a traffic stop) is not expected to be a perfect human being. Zoom out and look at both sides

    • @rainwhenidie6666
      @rainwhenidie6666 2 місяці тому

      Ditto

    • @SARGER5
      @SARGER5 2 місяці тому +10

      @@rainwhenidie6666 so how long was he supposed to go on trying to answer the question and being told you're not answering my question and being interrupted? 15 times? 20 times? 3 million times?

  • @xxxyyy618
    @xxxyyy618 Місяць тому +66

    Convicts just don't want resistance to committing their crimes

    • @blackperson5283
      @blackperson5283 День тому

      They’re traumatized but thats how its coming off as

    • @CyclingAMP
      @CyclingAMP День тому

      They didn't even present any arguments to support their opinions. What a low IQ

  • @hiyahoro1467
    @hiyahoro1467 Місяць тому +3

    Wild I actually watched this whole thing not realizing it was an hr of my life gone...but a hr that was very thoughtful, full of great all around debating into common ground understanding and acceptance of change, and each of their own noting this positive accounts of change for everyone for a more peaceful future and adapt in comprehending REAL feelings and REAL scenarios that makes one stop and ponder "we need a positive outcome when it comes to protecting the peace"

  • @hikarichoichiro5557
    @hikarichoichiro5557 3 місяці тому +733

    If you told me that Charlie's just playing, that he's just an actor, I would have believed you. Dude's straight up detached from the society.

    • @Unpolarised
      @Unpolarised 2 місяці тому

      That’s exactly what I was thinking. I’m not trying to be insensitive but he’s either a complete moron or a plant from the producers

    • @theescapistpoet
      @theescapistpoet Місяць тому +96

      He's got victim mentality

    • @aergia.anergia
      @aergia.anergia Місяць тому +64

      He legit was pissing me off

    • @Anti-feminist87
      @Anti-feminist87 Місяць тому +36

      Some people don't want to listen. They just want you to hear their "truth". It gets us no where.

    • @bedlfit2198
      @bedlfit2198 Місяць тому +31

      Charlie is on the criminal panel for a reason… dude needs to wake up.

  • @reeree1924
    @reeree1924 6 місяців тому +1201

    Charlie’s whole thought process is so cringe. He didn’t even have the decency to let anyone speak. I had such a hard time finishing the video because of him . Great job Jubilee

    • @Forester-
      @Forester- 6 місяців тому +57

      He outed himself as a sovereign citizen that explained everything to me

    • @Watchingvids01
      @Watchingvids01 4 місяці тому +8

      @@Forester-i felt that too

    • @Matt-zp1jn
      @Matt-zp1jn 3 місяці тому +13

      The overtalking by everyone,
      NEEDS a 3rd party to referee things unbiasedly.
      Charlie the guest was overtalking more than anyone, as well as others to varying degrees too, BUT there is little to almost ZERO proactive mediation evidence by the Jubilee show “Host” to keep things on track, except when things are ALREADY getting out of hand.
      The Jubilee Host needs,
      the skills to verbally quell tensions BEFORE they get out of hand, recognize the Triggering behaviours on both sides that can naturally and justifiably come out of escalating situations such as these very polarizing talk shows/discussions.
      Jubilee NEEDS more,
      than just some host-Director and a camera person only asking the main questions and then being absolutely silent to watch things head into train wreck breakdowns in everything.
      The Jubilee “Host” was weak,
      in acting many times during this episode BEFORE things headed into more volitile situations and seemed to be just letting everything escalate just for “TV Show entertainment DRAMA”, like this show tends to do all too often, for clicks/views/Likes, etc.
      WEAK administration by Jubilee,
      in effectively handling BOTH sides when there clearly needed the 3rd party host acting as the “IMPARTIAL” mediator to step in to communicate things back on track from side tangents, or set the grounds rules of respectful and balanced talk/listen, question/answer type discourse.
      “Jubilee,
      don’t let this haphazard Hosting continue without a proper interviewer/supportive counselor or communications specialist to be there to intervene at a moments notice if need be. “
      A future physical disruption,
      where a guest or someone SNAPS on another, or the group, staff, or whatever will eventually grow out of these WEAKLY mediated episodes as unfortunate as that would be.
      Just because the cameras filming are rolling, don’t think nothing will happen, that is unwise thinking or preparation…

    • @CruzLegend3
      @CruzLegend3 3 місяці тому +4

      Same. I paused it a few times because I was getting irritated how he continued to cut people off and talk over them, not allowing them to make their point when they were granting him, that respect of allowing him to give his perspective. He was ridiculous.

    • @JoThomas-mc7xb
      @JoThomas-mc7xb 3 місяці тому

      Omg thank you so much and because of you imma finish this bc facts watching him is hard

  • @TheJhon65
    @TheJhon65 8 днів тому +3

    Scar was the only ex convict that only let his experience with one minimally cloud the rest

  • @rayg9344
    @rayg9344 Місяць тому +4

    Imagine being a cop in a country where every single individual has a high percentage odds of carrying a firearm. Yeah I would be paranoid and my service gun will be my best friend.
    Thats what you get you integrate firearms in your countries culture. Well done America, you played yourselves.

  • @obinnaoguike2823
    @obinnaoguike2823 Рік тому +1601

    This seems more like a therapy session than a productive conversation.

    • @hatban_
      @hatban_ Рік тому +4

      ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 여기서 본 코멘트 중 가장

    • @Ookashay
      @Ookashay Рік тому

      Obviously trying to have conversations with mentally immature felons won't be productive 🤣

    • @maebo2524
      @maebo2524 Рік тому +119

      This was a rough one to watch. The whole conversation seemed to be based on emotions rather than facts, from both sides. Not the best casting on this one in my opinion.

    • @maka3230
      @maka3230 Рік тому +6

      Still productive

    • @ambermartinez6587
      @ambermartinez6587 Рік тому +7

      Healing is very productive

  • @hankt51
    @hankt51 8 місяців тому +792

    I can see why Charlie would have bad experiences with anyone. At around 29:50 when Marlon is trying to explain what he would have done Charlie keeps interrupting him, talking over him, and generally being disrespectful. Charlie was able to go through his whole broke-down car, flat tire scenario but wouldn't even let Marlon respond. Jubilee needs to do a better job of allowing the other side to respond. Respect goes both ways regardless of who you are talking to.

    • @ds82wrestling
      @ds82wrestling 7 місяців тому +41

      I'm sure his interactions went the same way with the cops he encountered on the streets, too.

    • @johngorman1219
      @johngorman1219 7 місяців тому +36

      Their attitudes obviously led them in to their incarceration.

    • @cristianfilmz24
      @cristianfilmz24 7 місяців тому +47

      @@ds82wrestlingthese specific cops weren’t the ones who mishandled this gentlemen. Yet he still disrespects, interrupts and rejects to even listen to the other side. How can he want to reach middle ground(I hope everyone is) if he doesn’t even want to listen to the other side?

    • @ds82wrestling
      @ds82wrestling 7 місяців тому +24

      @@cristianfilmz24 I 100% agree. That's what I am saying, he is hostile here, I am sure he was hostile to any officers on the street as well. Probably even more so.

    • @gosarcasm
      @gosarcasm 7 місяців тому +8

      bro literally made the whole story up lmao

  • @mushroomatume
    @mushroomatume 20 днів тому +12

    Bad cops do need to be held accountable, no question. But criminals are not the victims here-LITERALLY quite the opposite😂

    • @661krash
      @661krash 9 днів тому +2

      it is quite amusing how the criminals are completely innocent according to themselves.

  • @SurfNinjasMusic
    @SurfNinjasMusic 2 місяці тому +29

    So if a perp has a knife, the officer needs to keep the situation “fair” and can only use a knife or something less affective to de-escalate the situation? Crazy thought process!

    • @betenoire1145
      @betenoire1145 22 дні тому

      Do you know how much damage a knife can do😂😂

    • @yarioi
      @yarioi 16 днів тому +2

      @@betenoire1145and thats why you cant be fair, period.

  • @Michael_MW
    @Michael_MW 8 місяців тому +820

    “I DONT KNOW YOU.”
    I’m glad someone finally pointed out that assuming all citizens are criminals or assuming all police are tyrants is the same ignorance. It’s called prejudice.

    • @Itsjrdot
      @Itsjrdot 7 місяців тому +21

      The most real comment I’ve seen.

    • @pinksnake8001
      @pinksnake8001 7 місяців тому +27

      It's not the same ignorance because cops aren't just random citizens, they're part of a system. That changes everything.

    • @tooserious8722
      @tooserious8722 7 місяців тому +6

      @@pinksnake8001every system has its own unique elements

    • @professormadlad7773
      @professormadlad7773 7 місяців тому +7

      I see cops as tyrants.

    • @wood9670
      @wood9670 7 місяців тому +7

      If you financially cripple people and tear them away from their families because you are paid to do that then you are rightfully called a tyrant.

  • @marvinmiller2983
    @marvinmiller2983 Рік тому +2052

    Jubilee needs to do a better job at handling these conversations. If people are talking over each other, tell them to stop. If they’re going in circles, it’s someone’s turn to talk, or time to move to the next prompt. Overall, I think you guys need to control these discussions better so everyone can talk and hopefully no one tries to leave again.

    • @joeymurillo4203
      @joeymurillo4203 11 місяців тому +51

      It would be interesting if they had a mediator

    • @yoshipapi7880
      @yoshipapi7880 10 місяців тому +17

      @@joeymurillo4203it actually shows a lack of emotional intelligence

    • @TheGamerbroski
      @TheGamerbroski 9 місяців тому +8

      What they need see a psychological analysis/specialist to know when the tension is happens a bit too many times it occurred in these very hot sensitive conversations that in deep careful analysis and patience with mutual respect shown; okay show a lil to show people how the public is but can be bad and dangerous if it lasts to long as it was shown bit too many times and too long in critical moments of their person experiences

    • @whengchung90
      @whengchung90 8 місяців тому +2

      Drama reels in views, it's that simple

    • @calli8891
      @calli8891 8 місяців тому +1

      no? why would they censor it it’s supposed to be where both sides 100% honest and give there opinion

  • @christopherscooper58
    @christopherscooper58 5 днів тому +1

    Not one person brought up qualified immunity. NOT ONE.

  • @JuGG3rNauTOfJust1ce
    @JuGG3rNauTOfJust1ce День тому +1

    Darien seems pretty level headed hes my favourite character in this one so far

  • @LudlowSRK
    @LudlowSRK Рік тому +862

    Charlie the type of guy to rob someone and then wonder why he's going to jail.

    • @jake.porter
      @jake.porter Рік тому +117

      he’s the type of person to rob someone, get caught, and blame the person he just jacked because they just happened to be there

    • @LudlowSRK
      @LudlowSRK Рік тому +5

      @@jake.porter Fact

    • @faustianfellaheen
      @faustianfellaheen Рік тому +11

      Welcome to the progressive utopia

    • @Zachary_Pacheco
      @Zachary_Pacheco Рік тому +2

      That’s a fact lol

    • @isaacquesada6248
      @isaacquesada6248 Рік тому

      Nah facts

  • @RBubbles202
    @RBubbles202 Рік тому +2958

    Hey Jubilee. This type of discussion needs a facilitator. This conversation was so important and could have been so much more effective with a strong facilitator directing the discussion. Thank you to each side for being vulnerable and sharing their experiences.

    • @jeangarcia6432
      @jeangarcia6432 Рік тому +59

      Lol the guy in the blue jacket cant stop being a cop for 2 mins and it shows from 53:40 forward this was perfect it shows that cops ain't shet and that's what slot of people don't like about it they were hoping it would show something else😂

    • @troyd.8718
      @troyd.8718 Рік тому +30

      I understand your reasoning for more facilitation but what I like about MG, is that they allow people to navigate through the tough conversations themselves. Even if the conversation “fails” so to speak, you still see a lot of truth in those moments.

    • @benjaminasmus3980
      @benjaminasmus3980 11 місяців тому +42

      ​@@troyd.8718 Nah they need someone to moderate straight up lies and and all the interrupting

    • @damowater2962
      @damowater2962 11 місяців тому +19

      The cops were disingenuous

    • @johnilyemson
      @johnilyemson 11 місяців тому +19

      They don't give a fck how their content impacts the lives of people as long as it gets clicks.

  • @sketchytravis
    @sketchytravis Місяць тому +2

    Brought up Uvalde like the cops didn't stop people from going in to get the killer and rescue their kids when they were too scared lmao

  • @deanhicks9182
    @deanhicks9182 19 днів тому +4

    I don’t know how someone could stay in a conversation with Charlie. The stupidity would drain me 🫠

  • @doobieddooo
    @doobieddooo Рік тому +2210

    Donna was essential to this. She always reset the tone and pace of the conversation.

  • @Forester-
    @Forester- 6 місяців тому +913

    When Charlie revealed himself as a sovereign citizen I immediately understood his entire history with the police

    • @jasl9987
      @jasl9987 5 місяців тому +13

      Lmao exactly

    • @michaelmitchel3471
      @michaelmitchel3471 5 місяців тому +9

      What's that?

    • @Forester-
      @Forester- 5 місяців тому +160

      @@michaelmitchel3471 Basically people who don't think a bunch of laws apply to them such as needing a driver's license, insurance, license plate, or vehicle registration to drive on the road.

    • @michaelmitchel3471
      @michaelmitchel3471 5 місяців тому +14

      @@Forester- oh thanks

    • @ripn929707
      @ripn929707 4 місяці тому +93

      Charlie is more than just a sovereign citizen, he's an anarchist. I've met several in my travels, and they all seem to have this pie in the sky idea that humans are capable of policing themselves. They think we dont need agencies like the EPA, FDA, and the like. It's a total fantasy concept the completely ignored the factors of human greed and the all of the evils that men have done throughout history that brought on the need for these agencies.

  • @ozziecamacho5116
    @ozziecamacho5116 19 днів тому +3

    Someone call Charlie’s mom. He’s lost.

  • @jasper46985
    @jasper46985 23 дні тому +3

    All (ex-)convicts,.. i can see their problems.. No accountability..

  • @Forbestravels
    @Forbestravels Рік тому +1879

    Charlie was the hardest one to watch didn’t answer ONE question and acted petty with with one cop and literally tried to turn the other convicts on the black cop

    • @Boken123
      @Boken123 Рік тому +184

      yeah, no wonder he is a criminal

    • @ClaytonAFoster
      @ClaytonAFoster Рік тому +289

      He was really annoying and thought he knew what he was talking about.

    • @paulcastle7007
      @paulcastle7007 Рік тому +150

      The guy wouldn't let anyone else talk. I'm surprised the moderator didn't step in when he got heated

    • @furikagi
      @furikagi Рік тому +180

      Charlie’s response to the policing prompt is telling. He’s someone that doesn’t want to be held accountable for any of his actions. Simply put: he doesn’t like being told what to do.

    • @kaylao.3326
      @kaylao.3326 Рік тому

      He has a reason to feel the way he does. He’s Hispanic. They’re the second largest ethnic group of people (aside from black folks) to be profiled and harassed by cops, especially in places like Texas, Cali and NYC

  • @viccigraham
    @viccigraham 8 місяців тому +348

    I found it interesting that the convicts say they judge all cops with the same mistrust as they have learned from previous encounters while also thinking no cop should judge any of them with the same mistrust they have learned from previous encounters.

    • @vodking
      @vodking 6 місяців тому +2

      Yep

    • @MC_Smuv
      @MC_Smuv 6 місяців тому +37

      It's their job to be neutral!! They get paid for that!! The other side is in no way bound to any kind of neutrality towards the cops. Especially with all they've been through.

    • @EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg
      @EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg 6 місяців тому +1

      @@MC_Smuv What do you mean by neutrality?

    • @comosellama548
      @comosellama548 6 місяців тому +7

      I empathize traumas of ex-convicts with the system and bad cops, but with their logic of generalizing, basically stereotypes of all isms like racism, sexism, ageism would be justified💔❤️‍🩹

    • @jan-3356
      @jan-3356 5 місяців тому +10

      @@EMMAMUNOZ-id1bg he means that it's the cops' job to ensure the safety and protect the people, not assume every one of them walking around is a threat that needs to be intimidated and yelled at or need have a gun pointed at their heads. It's not the civillian's job to do anything, they can assume all they want about cops but cops have certain responsibilities in place, often ones they break and don't get punished for. all of these people in the comments are promoting tyranny and are blind in how justice works.

  • @SparcReviews
    @SparcReviews 6 днів тому +3

    "Cops shouldn't be armed!"
    And you should be?

  • @danielguizar8162
    @danielguizar8162 24 дні тому +3

    Bottom line is.... DONT DO CRIMES!

  • @marine296
    @marine296 6 місяців тому +976

    Listening to Charlie speak, constantly interrupt and be disrespectful makes me want to bash my head into a wall. Scar and Charlie both have very similar views, but scar goes about it respectfully, while Charlie just channels his immaturity and just plays the blame game. We need the police but we also need to hold them all accountable.

    • @72horses75
      @72horses75 3 місяці тому +43

      Jubilee encouraged this. This guy kept talking over the cop the whole time no one did anything, then one of the ladies were saying how he should have more patience when this guy is CONSTANTLY talking over him in a debate and not even letting him speak. THEN they let him spew a whole essay and whenever the cop tries to even interject the host tells him hold on and then they dont even show his opinion and move onto the next slide. This is ridiculous and unfair when this is supposed to be midddle ground. The cop literally had to ask them to step in and when they did they stepped in to silence the cop!

    • @kennedygilyard3822
      @kennedygilyard3822 2 місяці тому +8

      I didn’t like the Jubilee only had questions that were centered around the cops but not around the ex-convicts. It made the whole video seem like they were bashing on the cops. I agree with some of the criminal but they aren’t innocent in the blame game

    • @danielsanchez-ep6ud
      @danielsanchez-ep6ud 2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you Charlie annoyed me when he speaks like you talked now let other speak

    • @tylerl3510
      @tylerl3510 2 місяці тому

      Charlie is ignorant af. He hasn't had a rough life the guys a clown

    • @rachelmazza4079
      @rachelmazza4079 Місяць тому +1

      This. And Jubilee encouraged it for views 🙄

  • @camilenauta5816
    @camilenauta5816 Рік тому +1536

    when the participants are asking for moderation because they can't get a word out and try to leave because of how hostile everything has become, that's how you know it's gone too far.
    when the premise of the show begins with two groups at odds with one another-- and especially this episode since you're already starting with a power dynamic, there really needs to be more active moderation and intention behind the prompts/production imo

    • @jordandudley8040
      @jordandudley8040 Рік тому +81

      Absolutely agree with you, Camile. This conversation needed a lot more consideration bc it’s too intense of a debate.

    • @QRSTUVe
      @QRSTUVe Рік тому +11

      Brilliant, well said.

    • @samferrell7757
      @samferrell7757 Рік тому

      No he tried to leave because he's not educated enough for the debate "I'm trying to get my point across that fck the police you know what I mean" very sophisticated perspective.

    • @harushdesign
      @harushdesign Рік тому +16

      So more policing. Got it.

    • @danliness5455
      @danliness5455 Рік тому +16

      It's funny cause the person complaining that they couldn't get a word in was constantly cutting people off mid-sentence to get his own word in, like the video was only about him and his experiences.

  • @661krash
    @661krash 9 днів тому +1

    it is quite amusing how the criminals are completely innocent according to themselves.

  • @PritomAhad
    @PritomAhad 23 дні тому +2

    Marlon seemed like a nice officer to say hi too.

  • @vivian5578
    @vivian5578 11 місяців тому +793

    you can tell how far scar has come just by how vulnerable he allows himself to be in this episode

    • @Im-Ekko
      @Im-Ekko 9 місяців тому +3

      So true

    • @rickgold4854
      @rickgold4854 8 місяців тому +8

      He is a child.

    • @TheSakufighter
      @TheSakufighter 8 місяців тому +26

      @@rickgold4854 being real is not childish. Sorry you’re weak.

    • @bjstengel
      @bjstengel 8 місяців тому +8

      Absolutely, I respect and like this guy because he is so honest and open.

    • @illicitbike2782
      @illicitbike2782 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@TheSakufighterThere's a difference between being real and whatever scar is doing. Scar is projecting what happened to him to the cops in the video and pushing it to others outside and in general. If he was being real then he wouldn't project and keep levelheaded. I'm against cops but what Scar was doing isn't real and is childish

  • @daniel-san7
    @daniel-san7 3 місяці тому +257

    Wild AF that Charlie interrupted Marlon over and over again causing him to be visibly frustrated and instead of checking Charlie, the ex-cons started telling Marlon that he needs to stay calm. The lack of self-awareness and accountability is appalling

    • @aergia.anergia
      @aergia.anergia Місяць тому +25

      Charlie is the reason why things escalate without needing it to be

    • @allupelailee
      @allupelailee Місяць тому +11

      gaslighting at its finest

    • @manassehdouglas5968
      @manassehdouglas5968 Місяць тому +4

      I mean the way i see it the ex convicts all did things to land them up in prison. These people obviously have some problems and you can visibly see this manifest throughout the video. The guy walking out, charlie i mean like seriously

    • @blake3445
      @blake3445 Місяць тому +7

      This is valid. Charlie 100% was being an a**hole.
      In the same breath, this is a profession that Requires a great deal of patience. And if you can’t manage it, it’s truly not the role for you.

    • @tima5033
      @tima5033 27 днів тому +1

      That jabroni is seriously bringing up Uvalde as an example of needing police?! They wouldn’t go inside to help and stopped parents from going in and helping. Absolutely embarrassing

  • @lf8893
    @lf8893 2 години тому

    when bonnie said her crime was not justifiable about 26 minutes in. I got major respect for that woman because it sounds like she took 100% responsibility for her actions and did not justify them. from what I can tell, she was a drug dealer, and she did it because she was hungry, but she was taking accountability for it knowing there was another way for her to make that money and that she didn't have to be a drug dealer. but then the cops go on and try to justify the crimes for her, yeah, they said they would still punish her, but it sounds like the cops do more mental gymnastics to justify crimes than Bonnie, the convicted felon. She 100 % took accountability and didn't make excuses for herself. What a Woman!!!

  • @sparkyyoung73
    @sparkyyoung73 16 днів тому +2

    "Policing is necessary?" really? everyone in the world should be stepping forward for this one. I can only wish I lived in a world where policing was not necessary. If you would not have stepped forward just think how bad things would be. just give it a tiny bit of thought.

  • @toajay1816
    @toajay1816 11 місяців тому +2079

    This was tough to watch primarily because charlie was so absolutely closed minded it was hard to really reach any sort of middle ground when ever he put his two cents in

    • @cscollecting5131
      @cscollecting5131 10 місяців тому +16

      wasn't any single persons fault

    • @10101funday
      @10101funday 9 місяців тому +47

      Sometimes there isn't going to be a middle ground and that is okay

    • @anmahek
      @anmahek 9 місяців тому +70

      Sounds like he's really hurt, and it seems to me he first needs empathy before he can empathize with others.

    • @raw_oyster
      @raw_oyster 9 місяців тому +18

      I enjoyed hearing his perspective and experience

    • @jackthomas6952
      @jackthomas6952 8 місяців тому

      He’s another in a long line of idiots with no acknowledgement of personal responsibility

  • @lionsareblue8421
    @lionsareblue8421 Рік тому +374

    this has to be the worst middle ground yet, they were allowed to stray so far off topic basically negating the prompts

    • @llvb420
      @llvb420 Рік тому +21

      I think the promps need to be better as well its very vague and sometimes so leading

    • @lilygirllove
      @lilygirllove Рік тому +7

      Honestly. I haven’t even finished the video and I can feel the energy. They need the mediator to be more present and need to help stay on focus, most importantly respect each other…

    • @rosemadder5547
      @rosemadder5547 Рік тому

      I think that that is what breeds new perspectives and new thoughts and ideas, personally

    • @jideo.4832
      @jideo.4832 Рік тому +1

      But this isn't a problem they have had before. With people like Scar and Charlie always off

    • @lionsareblue8421
      @lionsareblue8421 11 місяців тому

      @@rosemadder5547 no it leads to them dancing around questions and not actually answering anything

  • @yo_itsjoshy
    @yo_itsjoshy 2 дні тому +2

    Charlie is just salty he got caught 🤣

  • @dandnoutdoors3778
    @dandnoutdoors3778 15 днів тому +2

    These ex convicts are delusional

  • @Dandeliondart
    @Dandeliondart 7 місяців тому +277

    Charlie expects everyone to just be their own police, detective, judge, and jury.

    • @lazarzivkovic3393
      @lazarzivkovic3393 6 місяців тому +9

      its called anarchism

    • @michaelmitchel3471
      @michaelmitchel3471 5 місяців тому +15

      It's pretty silly of him. One of the best points the ex convicts brought up was that since there is nobody (or very few) policing the police, they have an ego, and become controlling, yet Charlie wants that for every body(and look, Charlie has an ego)

    • @napsterdeus5770
      @napsterdeus5770 5 місяців тому +1

      @@lazarzivkovic3393it’s called idiotizm😂

    • @knado8135
      @knado8135 5 місяців тому +1

      Sovereign citizen. Tells you everything you need to know about that person. They literally think they have no repercussions to anything they ever do. They don't think they need to buy anything, pay rent, follow laws, etc.
      Literally the problem with the entire US.

  • @CyberOctober
    @CyberOctober 2 місяці тому +855

    Charlie is a great example of the dangers of how someone incredibly unintelligent can think they’re so smart. Blows my mind

    • @Andre-wf8cb
      @Andre-wf8cb Місяць тому +11

      You don't have to be insulting

    • @captaincalamari7451
      @captaincalamari7451 Місяць тому +14

      yeah im suprised they dont have maturity criteria

    • @c0nsci0us_s0ul
      @c0nsci0us_s0ul Місяць тому +21

      I wouldn't say he's unintelligent just very misunderstood and his traumatic experiences have shaped his world view

    • @baranturhal2870
      @baranturhal2870 Місяць тому +3

      Its the ☘️

    • @peterpham2424
      @peterpham2424 Місяць тому +5

      @@c0nsci0us_s0ulpeople that transform into “criminals” will be pushed into corners where the trait they bolstered strongest is faith in themselves. This makes it hard to realize much through conversations or even debates. I cried watching this

  • @user-im2nv9tj7q
    @user-im2nv9tj7q 10 днів тому +5

    No accountability by the criminals at all

  • @christopherscooper58
    @christopherscooper58 5 днів тому

    Cops should NEVER be allowed to turn off their body worn cameras . If body cameras are turned off during a police encounter the case should be THROWN OUT.

  • @catherine6407
    @catherine6407 Рік тому +373

    As someone who lives in the U.K. I think it’s crazy for Americans to say cops shouldn’t carry guns. They brought up that we don’t have cops with guns. But we don’t have guns. (Ofcourse illegal ones) but we don’t have a gun problem. We don’t have mass shootings. We have got cops with guns but how can you expect an American cop to go to a crime scene without a gun?

    • @rosanamaldonado4690
      @rosanamaldonado4690 9 місяців тому +7

      Why is no one liking this comment? Oh yea, because it proves most people wrong about how we are the only country that has cops with guns. Smh

    • @smbenga2
      @smbenga2 9 місяців тому +26

      @@rosanamaldonado4690It’s because the UK doesn’t have less issues than the US. Look at the arson and stabbing rates in the UK. The crime doesn’t stop, the method does

    • @amandamorgan8349
      @amandamorgan8349 8 місяців тому +1

      Nobody said he should go to a scene with no guns. Maybe next time listen first before speaking.

    • @catherine6407
      @catherine6407 8 місяців тому +2

      @@smbenga2 Exactly.

    • @catherine6407
      @catherine6407 8 місяців тому +11

      @@amandamorgan8349 removing guns from police officers… what does that mean? No guns at a crime scene lmao. Tf

  • @Looey222
    @Looey222 Рік тому +1687

    Scar did point out a flaw in the uvalde thing when the cop was listing school shootings, he tried to speak up that they happened despite armed cops being there, but was interrupted. This episode was really good, but could've had some more mediating from the jubilee team to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak their mind.

    • @achillessong
      @achillessong Рік тому +82

      The mods were not going to check a room full of cops and ex cons. 😂

    • @kaylao.3326
      @kaylao.3326 Рік тому +49

      Jubilee actually displayed that info on the screen when the cop was speaking on it (that armed cops did nothing during the killings)

    • @gwenrichard7507
      @gwenrichard7507 Рік тому +59

      Uvalde was stopped by a ICE officer and the cops were told to WAIT for swat. It was the perfect example of what waiting for help looks like.

    • @Zero-ln7ru
      @Zero-ln7ru Рік тому +5

      Absolutely not, I love when it’s not mediated as much, I want them to genuinely speak as much as possible

    • @Looey222
      @Looey222 Рік тому +13

      @@kaylao.3326 Yes, but scar and the others probably didn't see that. I mostly think he just should've gotten a chance to speak during that conversation

  • @Jessicachico2288
    @Jessicachico2288 2 місяці тому +3

    When i started breaking laws i got arrested thats how life works

  • @cjay3330
    @cjay3330 11 днів тому

    These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having! I love seeing Cops and Criminals just having necessary conversations and being respectful.

  • @angelg6593
    @angelg6593 5 місяців тому +1096

    “I’m trynna avoid you cuz I don’t like you” Charlie is an example of why ex-criminals get bad rep. You can tell he’d immediately get an attitude for no reason whatsoever and make the situation escalate.

    • @DrFeelGood9189
      @DrFeelGood9189 4 місяці тому +44

      Charlie is a narcissist.

    • @Austin-dm1in
      @Austin-dm1in 4 місяці тому

      @drfeelgood9189: wild speculation. You look like a fool.

    • @Anonymous-54545
      @Anonymous-54545 4 місяці тому +23

      that's not no reason. that's ptsd. i totally relate to him.

    • @AgentCP
      @AgentCP 4 місяці тому +8

      Well it’s hard when you have one cop grinning when someone’s telling their story about being raped. Yet looks also sad when he’s talking about his own life. And this is all recorded. I do not want to imagine the demeanor of the two male cops off camera.

    • @crowfather3838
      @crowfather3838 4 місяці тому +2

      @@AgentCPthere were three

  • @damiangarcia1997
    @damiangarcia1997 7 місяців тому +854

    Charlie is the type of guy to go around poking a wild animal with a stick and claim he did nothing wrong to provoke said animal. He literally tried to instigate everything and play victim afterwards. He gave such middle school edgelord vibes to the point where it was straight cringe

    • @MollyGaia
      @MollyGaia 6 місяців тому +7

      wonder how you'd behave if you had lived his whole entire life.

    • @kevinthomas2603
      @kevinthomas2603 6 місяців тому +1

      @@MollyGaiamy thoughts exactly

    • @GamecockRock90
      @GamecockRock90 6 місяців тому +13

      He is 100% sovereign citizen... worst individuals in this country

    • @Gwape_Jam
      @Gwape_Jam 6 місяців тому +19

      ⁠@@MollyGaiathe life of a criminal? Lol get outta here

    • @Howlertakesyt
      @Howlertakesyt 6 місяців тому +17

      Anyone who doesn’t see this, has never had to deal with someone like him, try having Charlie as a brother. He’s the problem in this situation, yeah the taller cop seems to have an ego, but even he is somewhat trying to understand the others pov, Charlie is just there to insult people and blame everything else but his own actions.

  • @masonwilson6469
    @masonwilson6469 2 місяці тому +3

    They should have specifically picked theft convicts so the video could be called “Cops Vs Robbers”

  • @lanceybarra3010
    @lanceybarra3010 Місяць тому +2

    Go to European countries aside from the UK and their cops literally walk around with mp5’s and mp7’s just in case

  • @brandoncrain3818
    @brandoncrain3818 7 місяців тому +1247

    Charlie is just an example someone who feels they should do whatever they want

    • @gregap8282
      @gregap8282 7 місяців тому +21

      not really, someone with eyes can see and understand where Charlie's coming from

    • @agustinjr.enriquez6238
      @agustinjr.enriquez6238 6 місяців тому +103

      @@gregap8282Charlie wants to be heard but doesn’t want to listen, there’s bad cops and there’s bad people.

    • @JuliusCheeser223
      @JuliusCheeser223 6 місяців тому

      ​@agustinjr.enriquez6238 The excuse of "there's bad cops" is so lame, the system is broken. The system was built around slave catchers. The system has failed the average person so many times

    • @matthewhoward7384
      @matthewhoward7384 5 місяців тому +43

      ​@@gregap8282 Yes but his points are so futile and can be easily seen as nonsense. His reasoning for these points based on past trauma is very real and I empathize. But when faced with the question of being hyprocritical, he agrees knowing his point is so invalid, but still tries to impose it otherwise. I think the biggest point in this whole video was the black cop saying " Just like how you don't want to be discriminated against because of bad things other people did, I dont want to be judged by the offenses other cops have made " Its really a big circle and the traumas that happen on both sides will keep it spinning. But people like charlie that insinuate hypocrisy and hate all because of few, we will never get anywhere. Same goes for cops who do the same thing

    • @user-oe9wb4dm7v
      @user-oe9wb4dm7v 5 місяців тому +34

      ​@@gregap8282we see where Charlie is coming from but anyone with eyes can see what kind of guy Charlie is. He's an instigator who loves to start drama and play victim later.

  • @crazyeaglefan
    @crazyeaglefan 8 місяців тому +658

    When Charlie brought up the situation about the broken down car. He wouldn't let Marlon respond. Marlon would say 2 words and be cut off. After constantly being interrupted he asked the controller to get control and then the criminals said "see, you cant control yourself" when the ones who couldn't control themselves was the criminals.

    • @NfiniteRage
      @NfiniteRage 8 місяців тому +78

      Yeah that's called gaslighting.

    • @Ph4r4oh_444g
      @Ph4r4oh_444g 8 місяців тому +65

      Yea I didn’t like! that charlie is definitely an agitator and manipulator, charlie can’t understand because all he can think about is himself and what he went through and how he was done wrong and can’t put himself in the officers shoes because he disassociate himself with anything that has to do with the law 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @Michael_MW
      @Michael_MW 8 місяців тому +37

      100% that part was really annoying. Also because after that the officers who clearly wanted to say something were not allowed to respond and they just cut to the next prompt.

    • @19jessejames83
      @19jessejames83 8 місяців тому +6

      They all did their time for their crimes so stop labeling them as criminals.

    • @jonw7937
      @jonw7937 8 місяців тому +23

      ​@@19jessejames83That's what they are

  • @ilovecairo
    @ilovecairo 2 місяці тому +27

    Ugh those criminals were painful to listen to. I had to stop. Lost brain cells listening to them.