Forrest is so empathetic and has deep compassion for everyone else in this lineup, but you can tell he still carries his own guilt. I hope he can find the forgiveness in himself he is showing his peers.
I think he meant that he had a delayed response. I get that. Your body does whatever it can to get you through a traumatic experience, and often part of that is keeping you numb until you are past the immediate threat. My father died in front of me from a heart attack when I was 19. No one could understand how I managed through the first couple weeks, looking back 11 years later... Even I don't know. I've been through other losses, other dangerous situations... I don't think I can convey it properly to anyone who hasn't experienced it, but your existence becomes so singular. As if your mind were a bag full of tangled elastic bands suddenly pulled taught all at once. No one's response is the same, but it's common to be extremely driven and detached in the moment, and completely go off the rails later.
Finally a Jubilee episode where every single person is 100% sane and not at each other’s throats the whole time! This was so refreshing! I feel I could be friends with all of them.
Most of us Combat Veterans have nightmares like that. I've had them for 20 years. That's why I started Warr;or Catfishing. Fishing helps me relax and just chill. I figured if it helps me this much it'll help others. So from May to October we take Veterans and First Responders out catfishing free of charge.
I’m a respiratory therapist and I’m in awe that one of us was included here. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and people don’t always know that we’re the ones that actually “pull the plug” and it never gets easier. I do feel desensitized to death but there’s also cases where it is difficult. All I can say is that I would be a shell of myself if I had to do this with kids and babies.
Lester’s growth and rehabilitation is what the prison system should be about. It’s so amazing he took initiative to better himself. And Forrest, such a well-spoken and warm individual. This video is so thought-provoking and inspiring
I completely agree that rehabilitation for criminals would be perfect, but I also think that the greatest benefit prison provides for us is that it separates us from them. I much more value my family going to bed peacefully than anything else
It depends on what’s inside the mind of a person. Some people are genuinely incapable of change. Another point is that he’s lucky that he was actually able to turn his life story into a career, what about all the sinners who can’t find work or means of living after their incarceration?
Terra felt singled out for being the only one who said they were a victim, but honestly, she’s the only one who _was_ a victim. The rest acted. I’m with her on that. The spread of everyone else not being a victim but her is exactly what I would expect and hope for.
I'm curious, what did you mean by "the rest acted". None of them said they were victims. They all chose that they were not victims you even acknowledged this.
@@donovanwoll625 Oh, its acted vs reacted. So, they had a choice, they made the choice, and they followed through with the choice. Terra didn't make any choice, she reacted to being attacked. I realize now this is something that is probably mostly discussed in writing circles where we talk about active vs reactive character.
That makes much more sense. I thought you meant it as if they were acting like they were a victim. Thanks for giving me an in-depth answer.@@Isometrix116
@@michahund4879 But he made significant choices leading up to it. Notably, he broke all 4 rules of firearms safety: 1. A gun is always loaded 2. Only point the gun at something you intend to destroy 3. Be sure of your target and what's behind it 4. Keep your finger off the trigger until the previous condition is met. That was a choice. An accident, yes, but one that was made through gross negligence and conscious choices.
I admire Lester. I imagine it would take a lot of strength and vulnerability to take accountability and face what he did. He's a better person now, and that's amazing
@@hashbrown4meisn’t the point of prison reform? He’s been reformed. He served his punishment, learned from his actions, and is actively doing better than before.
@@jubilee I would say the fact that not all killers are evil. There are many different reasons that someone might kill someone, and not all of them are unforgivable. Horrible things unfortunately happen, and it's important to get all the facts without acting on the instinct of prejudgment. Empathy is important.
When he talked about how much death he's seen throughout the pandemic is what kind of broke me. I recognized already that especially over a dozen year medical career he's seen the most death of anyone there, even more than a twenty year prison sentence or a seven year military career, but knowing how the pandemic was handled in the US and the staggering, unfathomable numbers and the toll it took on healthcare workers... Nicholas took over 30 lives during one campaign, it's not unrealistic to consider Franco might have had to remove life support for over 30 people a day at some point. I really feel for him and I hope he has the support he needs.
As a military member who went to war. When he talks about knowing how to diffuse a situation with violence every time you enter a room is still present at a certain level 11 years later
@@scaryalbino8807 In this context, I think it's called "survival." The situation he's preparing to diffuse isn't a verbal argument or something familiar; it's likely more like a robbery, an act of terrorism, or another violent act. In war, you respond to aggressiveness with counter-aggression.
@@EclecticDDyou guys are the ones putting the negative connotation with “killer” causing you to react so strongly. A person who is responsible for another’s death is a killer, and the whole point of this video is showing that that’s not always a cruel, amoral act. You’re missing that point if you try to act like he’s not a “killer” just because you agree with him
I hope so too but I think it's something that is very hard or probably even impossible to do. If I was him I couldn't stop blaming myself to be honest.
Damn. When Forrest said @23:34 "We move in seconds and inches, and measure progress in (miles?) and years." That is so astute of him. The choices we make affect our whole path ahead. I hope he really finds (has found) peace in his life.
Hearing Forrest describe not being able to understand his action and how he wasn't thinking when he accidentally shot his friend is so heartbreaking to me, because we all do things without thinking, and I know sometimes in retrospect I've felt so lucky that nothing bad happened but that isn't always the case :/
This was far more profound than I was expecting. So much respect to everyone in this video and Jubilee for shedding light and creating this conversation.
Forrest seems like a kind and gentle soul. His story moved me to tears because it was a horrible tragic accident where there are no winners. Everybody suffers and the trauma is lifelong, but you can't hate and punish yourself forever. I hope one day Forrest can forgive himself. It is evident he is full of remorse and has dedicated his life to trying to give back. I hope the family of his best friend heals, and his best friend continues to rest in peace. So sorry for all of their loss.
He is living his life as a forgiven and repentant person. Faith in oneself takes time and effort. He’s been and continues collecting crowns, he’ll believe that one day. We don’t always have an explanation for what’s in our heads or in our hearts but our soul does. Our inner being does try to teach us lessons on morality and virtue as we journey through life. Having free will we can choose to listen or not.
I know the rizz videos are funny and are to appeal to the younger audience but this is what jubilee is to me. Strong interesting topics being discussed by strong interesting people.
Yes! I missed this jubilee content! It’s so interesting to hear the different perspectives and I take away so much from each and everyone one of these people.
Im sorry no one can intertwine a victim and 13 stabs with one in the eye ball no matter what is the context She truly believes shes a victim but that's typical women
All of them contributed really meaningfully here, but Lester really stands out to me, each thought he contributes is so insightful and eloquent. "Transparency transports people." I love that quote. I noticed how he always makes an effort to relate to his fellow participants when they are maybe alone on the other side of the spectrum or they shared something vulnerable. That highlights how empathic he is. He is wise and conscientious in his word choice making him an excellent communicator; and I think he's a great person to be in the mentor role that he is in his community. Respect
Also the way he understands that he would be less impactful if he was making tons of money… I don’t have anything against money but you can tell he works hard to stay humble and helpful.
Everyone was so brave to open up. Proud of everyone! Also poor Tara having her trauma BLASTED for true-crime fanatics. There is a difference in telling your story and having it being told for you. A shame it keeps happening to her.
Well it makes sense. If they were cold blooded killers they'd still be in jail, so obviously their selection is of people where the context and situation is different and not so bad.
Having a job like Franco's is something I'd never even really considered, always assumed it would just be any doctor or nurse assigned to the patient who'd do it.. to have a job specifically doing that, I can't even imagine the mental/emotional rollercoasters you'd go through..
Respiratory therapy is an important space in medicine, especially critical situations like ICU or ER; if you're on a ventilator, you're having a bad day. Being in charge of the machine that breathes for people unfortunately means he had to also make them stop breathing
Yea I really felt that. My dad died alone in a hotel room a year ago and just knowing that Franco did something like tha for this random dying person really hit me
The pain I see in Forrest’s face as he recounts what happened is just heart shattering. I see so much pain. I truly hope he finds the peace he deserves, he seems like a very kind hearted person
i would love to see a spectrum with therapists! as a therapist who has worked with a lot of people with chronic illnesses and drug issues, the question abt being desensitized to death/violence hit hard
I personally would not see it that way. No personal information is going to be shared. Therapists write about their patients all the time without detailing who they are. Some of the stories my therapist shares are very helpful. @@caulenspencer1157
@@caulenspencer1157 Hi, therapist here! No, they wouldn't be allowed to reveal patient names or other identifying features as part of their own ethical responsibility. But it would be okay to talk about topics from a generalized pov or even to talk about a story without giving identifiable information
Please know you’re valued! I was in and out of addiction and mental health treatment from the age of 12 until currently at 31. It wasn’t until I was 25 that I met the two counselors that would change my life. I am in the process of becoming a peer recovery specialist now myself and I wouldn’t be alive today without them. I know it can be a thankless and devastating job sometimes but I promise you’re someone’s angel 💕🖤🥀
It’s hard hearing Forrest talk about his situation. The pain and guilt of his actions are still very heavy for him. I really hope his healing process becomes much smoother one day soon.
When I first saw the thumbnail I was like “why aren’t all these people in jail”. But then after watching I realised that killers aren’t always evil people
I fell for the clickbait too, but I'm having a more difficult time being forgiving. People hear the word "killer" used a certain way and they're going to assume a certain context. I guess that being duped often comes with the territory (of going on YT), but I don't appreciate when its done so deliberately, by a company who probably can afford to use more representative titles at this point. I may be in the minority, but I truly don't care how many millions anyone dangles in front of me, I would rather be respected and looked at as being respectable than knowingly disappointing even one viewer (much less doing it deliberately and being OK with it). I am weird though, and it doesn't really matter.
Hmmm... It's almost like when we don't automatically assume something, were able to actually better understand it, who would've known. Almost like getting to know something before making an opinion on it 🤯seriously though, the true problem with humans is that they assume everything too fast before knowing it.
one thing that i can say about this here is that, this is really wonderful how they are not judging each other off of their emotions and They are allowing each other to speak, some other the other shows. they will go off their emotions and not listen to each other and how they all feel. really loved this here .
Terra is a badass and Dirty John is now in the right place. He destroyed her mother’s life and her daughter’s lives. She was almost the victim in the struggle and she made it. She made it!!
I have MAJOR respect for Terra. I learned about her story from dirty John and I cannot imagine the fear of having to kill someone especially being so young. She’s an amazing advocate for survivors of antisocial abuse and a very strong person. Sending love ❤
@@chloet5593Antisocial Personality Disorder is a spectrum of disorders that include psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. Antisocial abuse would refer to abuse done by someone on this spectrum.
I literally gasped when she said Dirty John. I knew exactly who she was talking about, the story. Yet. I’ve never heard of the real her. Honestly. Which just goes to show! I was completely taken back by her presence, as was I enlightened. She’s is one brave, strong woman!
When my cat died I found him because he was crying early in the morning. He had soiled himself and I could tell it had been a long time which means he was holding on to get me to find him… he passed in my arms 5 minutes after I found him ❤
This is like a taste of what Jubilee used to be, and I am hungry for more. I just love the depth and nuance in this video, and the longer length to accommodate the topic. Please please please do more videos like this.
i think it's so cool how jubilee found people who did the same thing in such different ways. when i clicked on this i didn't even think about pulling life support or self defense, and it's interesting how they can relate in some ways even thought their experiences are so different.
my heart aches for forrest. you can just see it all over him how much he still carries this with him. i hope others show him the same compassion & empathy he shows others.
I have seen Nick the Reaper on other channels. It’s enlightening to hear everyone speak about what they experienced. It shows how they see what they did and gives perspective to something that at face value is something horrible but for others it’s a job. I hope it makes some sense TL:DR very informative and the people speaking show there strength to be able to talk about this. Thank you for your stories and your honesty
When my son was passing and he had to be taken off of life support, everyone that I met during my sons time came in and out offering their condolences and would tell me such beautiful words. They cried with me and hugged me and my family and when I had to leave they let me and my sons father take him a bath and change him for the last time. I handed my baby boy over to them and told them “please take care of him” and they promised me they would. I know it wasn’t easy to see all that happen and especially taking him off life support after getting to know me and my story and my sons story. I’ll always remember them forever
- I wish I could say more but thank you for sharing. My stillborn daughter’s name was Abigail. If you are comfortable to, I would love to know your son’s name.
This was probably the best spectrum I've seen in years and easily one of Jubilee's best episodes. I love how you guys didn't just choose ex-criminals but a spectrum of different people. Keep up the great work
To the RT, from a nurse. You are more valuable than I can state. Your skills are unparalleled, both practical and interpersonal. Your depth of knowledge and willingness to teach is unmatched. Your endurance for empathy is astounding. God bless you all. Thank you for taking the call, running to the bedside and helping. I was often in over my head, and you stepped in with adeptness to take care of the patient with grace.
I clicked on the video, because I wanted to see how such a sensitive subject would be handled. I was very pleased to see the participants and their absolute compassion for one another, and their self reflection.
@@soggyfroggyzyou look incredibly young. i genuinely hope that you never have to go through something like this where your comment will come around to hurt you too in the end. be kind to other women, because one day you might need them to be kind to you.
They are all incredible people but WOW.. Lester and Forrest are profound. Wow. I’m so glad they were both part of this. Them speaking together is the most beautiful and inspirational thing I’ve ever heard.
I love how each of these people experienced completely different things. It’s really eye opening and fascinating to hear what they’ve all gone through and how it’s changed them as people. This was my favorite Jubilee episode I’ve ever seen!
I really like the way so many different perspectives were brought into this video, it really shows everyone's motivation/reason. Also, props to the people in there for being open minded to "debating" in a certain way. :)
five killers. five completely different stories and circumstances. all really beautiful people trying their best. what kind of award does this segment qualify for because it should win.
Ive lost a lot of people in my 34 years but ive only personally witnessed one death. I dont really recall most of it but there was a car wreck in front of my house when i was in high school. I live near Ft Moore aka Ft Benning. One car was full of soldiers and the other was a family of 4. Both drivers died. I went to the car with the family. My neighbors went to the other. The car was upside down on the ditch. I went around and asked who needed help everyone made their way out. I ran back in the house to call 911. After the call i went back out to be with them. The lady that was driving was sitting on the side of the road and i was talking with the other people. She just fell over. Gone. I was told later by an investigator that it was internal bleeding. I'll never forget that.
I've heard Tara's story years ago on Kendall Rae's channel, but didn't realize that was her until she said, "Dirty John" I happy to see she is okay. He was a terrible man and I'm glad she put an end to his antics. He would have killed her if she wouldn't have fought back as strong as she did. She definitely was a victim, but she is a fighter too. Said to see people exploit her story and she doesn't get anything from it though.
23:16 - I agree with her. He shouldn't need to pick a side if he doesn't want to. He shouldn't be forced to pick a side if he doesn't feel comfortable in doing so, and the host is wrong, should be ashamed, for obligating him (or anyone) to do that. Sometimes, the neutral answer is the answer that the responder wants to give.
This entire conversation is one of the most insightful I've seen on this channel. So many different situations and perspectives, and no judgement from any of the others.
Everyone here has such a profound magnitude to them. You can tell they are all on their journey to understanding their meaning and purpose in life. Hearing them talk really put into perspective the meaningless little things I worry and stress about in life. Helping people, human connection, and empathy. That's what being human and living is all about
i’m so glad terra served her justice instead of letting whatever monster was after her and her family be “rehabilitated”. all these other people are amazing for sharing their stories, none of them are monsters and all their circumstances are so different.
using the word “killer” makes me feel icky when these people as they are so much more than that label. thank you all for being so raw and vulnerable. i understand why the episode is titled what it is and I am glad that you were able to get these people together because their voices are powerful. i’m now reimagining my definition of killer into carrying less negative connotation in my mind. this IS empathy!
This was a really great episode. The two bald gentlemen were so empathetic and compassionate, you can see their growth and compassion. Gentleman who works in hospital, you're not a killer. Gentleman who was in the military, I'm glad you sought therapy now. Ma'am, I dont know your full story but I am sorry you and your family went through that. You are all very brave. Thank you for sharing.
Read or listen to nicks books. The first of I believe is way of the reaper by Nickolas Irving he goes into detail about his deployments and there's 2 or 3 from that and I believe one or more novels that have some basis in reality but are fictional
@23:17 "Lester, choose a side" -- That was crazy to call him out like that. I've never seen them do that before, whether or not someone was straddling the fence.
I read all about Tara’s story when it happened and I was shocked to hear that’s who she was. I’m so so glad that her and her family are safe and free from that man
I don’t know why but I was expecting just like straight up murderers when I read the title loll but I appreciate the mix of people. It really gives perspective. So much respect to Terra and Franco. I also hope Forrest is doing well. I can’t imagine what guilt he must be constantly going through.
It's kind of sad to see that this episode didn't get far more recognition. Regardless of how you may feel about some of these people, this was the first time I genuinely sat down and listened to the entire conversation. It's an enlightening conversation and really opened my eyes. Great episode.
They all gave such wonderful perspectives! Lester had me tearing up when he brought up all the perspectives surrounding one persons death. He is empathetic & it’s so admirable, what a great mentor he probably is. I pray they all continue to heal in ways they need 🙏🏽 thank you Jubilee for this video!
As a psychology student, I love Jubilee so much. This was such a great video and I genuinely feel for everyone’s pain and I loved listening to their feelings. Thank you for sharing.
What I love about this video in comparison to the other jubilee videos is it doesn't feel like this is a select group of people being gathered here but rather a group of people with vastly different values and backgrounds but with a singular shared experience.
This episode reminded me why i subbed to jubilee. Lately they have been posting videos where its not interesting or just straight cringe. I feel like this video is going back to the root of this channel. Creating a meaningful dialogue with interesting and differing perspective, as well as placing a spotlight on issues many people would never think about.
Nick is the one that represented my story. It's been since 2009 since I was on my last deployment, but I still remember everything like it was yesterday. This was a intensely interesting episode.
This is absolutely one of Jubilee's best videos. Definitely their best in recent times. This really brings us towards empathy and understanding. Thanks to everyone who participated.
This may have been one of the top episodes I have ever seen. So much mental health talk, rehabilitation, etc. Very respectful people were included and it was captivating.
@@missshannonsunshinehave you ever watched someone get life support taken away? Many times they live for at least minutes. Watching and allowing death when you know you have tools to continue life at your fingertips can be very traumatic. Sorry to hear Franco and the Navy Seal didn’t feel they had a lot of coping support being that this is their career.
@@julesk2629 yeah, it's all about perspective. Some family members can't let go, they have hope that they're alive still inside. For me, I just try to think about whether they're suffering or not, I guess
It irritates me seeing The Reaper get all this hate from people who obviously don't understand and would have never risked their lives for our country.
@@nickcox7431 Yeah, I'm not pro-war in the slightest, but if we didn't have a military or people volunteering to serve for the rest of us we'd all be seeing the horrors of war personally.
@@nickcox7431what your country do is invading another countries. afghanistan, iraq, libya, all invaded by the US. don't act like you militarymen are saints, you all have never fight a defensive battle since the civil war, all the wars US participated in the 20th and 21st century are offensives.
This is one of the most interesting videos I’ve ever seen. We, as a society, are so fast to judge other people, it was very nice to hear different perspectives of such difficult topics
Rn here…I’ve had to “take lives” multiple times. I’ve also followed the Dirty John story. This compilation of people, wow! I want to see them individually interviewed after this. I can’t help but think this exercise helped each of them. What a cathartic and bonding experience. Thanks to them for sharing & I hope this brought each of them tools and healing.
I think its actually important to label them all as a killer. They're all on equal standing even though theyve all taken life through different means and circumstances. Very eye opening video Jubilee, well done.
Personally I disagree, I do not believe Franco is on equal standing to others. His job requires unfathomable compassion. This job could be filled by someone that secretly enjoys taking peoples lives but you can feel that Franco has such a deep heart and has been traumatized by his job. Very different to most soldiers or homicides who feel nothing for years until they are forced to look within and find their humanity.
@@electriksnake Franco having to take babies out the arms of their mothers is far more heartless an action than someone looking down a scope from nearly a mile away, doing math, and then pulling a lever on the dot, if you want to talk deeper context. Denotationally, both are killers. In terms of compassion, they both deserve it, making a difference make you sound snobby, more than helpful.
Wtf are u talking about its Literally his job..? And isnt the choice to pull the plug in the parents, person themselves, or families hands?@@tumultoustortellini
Do you think k*lling another human is ever justified?
Yes, there are some situations where it's justified
Of course… killing another human for self-defense is justified.
self defense is the only situation that killing another human can be justified
yes
if it’s self defense yes
Forrest is so empathetic and has deep compassion for everyone else in this lineup, but you can tell he still carries his own guilt. I hope he can find the forgiveness in himself he is showing his peers.
The blonde woman has the "empty eyes".
Can you see it?
@@2020_Visi0nshe may have just been nervous
@@2020_Visi0nshe’s recounting trauma for this video so i’d imagine it’d be hard for her to be expressive
forrest, nick and franco have pretty much the worst life experience from all of them
That’s my name too lol
Came for the shock value stayed for the conversation.
Did you gain any new perspectives or have any takeaways?
@@jubilee No ❤
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 😭😭😭
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910😂💀
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910you wrong 💀
SniperMan: "I didn't feel anything . . ."
-proceeds to describe the most horrifying nightmare in human exsistence-
Ik that that brutal
I think he meant that he had a delayed response.
I get that. Your body does whatever it can to get you through a traumatic experience, and often part of that is keeping you numb until you are past the immediate threat.
My father died in front of me from a heart attack when I was 19. No one could understand how I managed through the first couple weeks, looking back 11 years later... Even I don't know.
I've been through other losses, other dangerous situations... I don't think I can convey it properly to anyone who hasn't experienced it, but your existence becomes so singular. As if your mind were a bag full of tangled elastic bands suddenly pulled taught all at once.
No one's response is the same, but it's common to be extremely driven and detached in the moment, and completely go off the rails later.
@@Victoria-dh9vbyep, same happened to me at 12 with my mom. didn’t really register until i was like 15 or so. still dealing with it 10 years later.
That's what I thought. He's so desensitised. Bless him.
@@ZMS463and he said he wasn’t desensitized i was like oh !
Finally a Jubilee episode where every single person is 100% sane and not at each other’s throats the whole time! This was so refreshing! I feel I could be friends with all of them.
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It's ironic given the criteria.
a lot of their videos are pretty normal
It's funny that it's killers that can be the most sound of mind in society, might be a lot more work for us to do as humanity.
Most of this category are normal
jubliee took the whole "if you put 5 killers in a room" literally
Click bait title
@@EclecticDDnot clickbait
@@EclecticDDwho were you expecting? Jeffrey Damer, Jack the Ripper, H. H. Holmes, Pedro Lopez and Ted Bundy together in a room?
@@jannomeeuwessen4886absolutely heavenly cage match
How about 5 celebrities
That dream the sniper had sounds absolutely terrifying. I wouldn’t wish that inner conflict upon my worst enemy.
War is HeII
Wait how is his dream embarrassing? Do you not know that mortifying mean “very embarrassing”?
His name is Nicholas Irving. I see him on UA-cam a lot. He also wrote a book about his experiences
@@djoyne391i thought mortifying meant like horrifying or terrible or something like that
Most of us Combat Veterans have nightmares like that. I've had them for 20 years. That's why I started Warr;or Catfishing. Fishing helps me relax and just chill. I figured if it helps me this much it'll help others. So from May to October we take Veterans and First Responders out catfishing free of charge.
Terra actually is a victim. Props to her for fighting back.
Aren't most of them victims?
@@Bash_Is_Bae Yeah, except Nick.
@@Bash_Is_Bae No.
@@Bash_Is_Baethe sniper choose to be one, so i don't see him as a victim, neither as wrong, just saying
@@byunbaekhyun2283neither is Franco, he was doing his duty just like nick
I’m a respiratory therapist and I’m in awe that one of us was included here. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and people don’t always know that we’re the ones that actually “pull the plug” and it never gets easier. I do feel desensitized to death but there’s also cases where it is difficult. All I can say is that I would be a shell of myself if I had to do this with kids and babies.
I love this. It sheds light on the fact that not every killer has a killer mentality like we think they have.
U havent even watched this its been a minute bro like come on
@@kenn2wierd963 fr lmaoo
The video just got uploaded bruh
I think reading your comment I'd like you to be my next
Victim lol
That’s exactly what we wanted to bring to this video, thank you for watching!
Lester’s growth and rehabilitation is what the prison system should be about. It’s so amazing he took initiative to better himself. And Forrest, such a well-spoken and warm individual. This video is so thought-provoking and inspiring
Absolutely!
I completely agree that rehabilitation for criminals would be perfect, but I also think that the greatest benefit prison provides for us is that it separates us from them. I much more value my family going to bed peacefully than anything else
It depends on what’s inside the mind of a person. Some people are genuinely incapable of change.
Another point is that he’s lucky that he was actually able to turn his life story into a career, what about all the sinners who can’t find work or means of living after their incarceration?
@@Chromey3735 I get it... It's just a hard situation
The thing is that you can’t change someone who doesn’t want to change. Prison isn’t a cure, but you take out if it what you put in
“Community is the antidote to a lot of human suffering” wow, such an amazing quote
@@HandlesTheCybermanexactly
Yaaas
It’s exactly what we used to have that made the world a better place. Now we don’t know the people around our own homes in a lot of cases.
But there is no cure for the human condition.
Terra felt singled out for being the only one who said they were a victim, but honestly, she’s the only one who _was_ a victim. The rest acted. I’m with her on that. The spread of everyone else not being a victim but her is exactly what I would expect and hope for.
I'm curious, what did you mean by "the rest acted". None of them said they were victims. They all chose that they were not victims you even acknowledged this.
@@donovanwoll625 Oh, its acted vs reacted. So, they had a choice, they made the choice, and they followed through with the choice. Terra didn't make any choice, she reacted to being attacked.
I realize now this is something that is probably mostly discussed in writing circles where we talk about active vs reactive character.
That makes much more sense. I thought you meant it as if they were acting like they were a victim. Thanks for giving me an in-depth answer.@@Isometrix116
@@Isometrix116 dude who shot his friend didnt have a choice. it was an accident
@@michahund4879 But he made significant choices leading up to it. Notably, he broke all 4 rules of firearms safety:
1. A gun is always loaded
2. Only point the gun at something you intend to destroy
3. Be sure of your target and what's behind it
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until the previous condition is met.
That was a choice. An accident, yes, but one that was made through gross negligence and conscious choices.
I admire Lester. I imagine it would take a lot of strength and vulnerability to take accountability and face what he did. He's a better person now, and that's amazing
Thanks 🙏🏾
W lester
@@hashbrown4mekinda obvious he was in prison for a long time. He talks about it
@@hashbrown4meisn’t the point of prison reform? He’s been reformed. He served his punishment, learned from his actions, and is actively doing better than before.
@@path2redemption639 you're truly amazing, sir. You've turned your life around for the better and it's beautiful to see.
I thought you guys were crazy for this, but I stand corrected, well done jubilee
So glad that you enjoyed the episode! What was a takeaway for you?
@@jubilee I would say the fact that not all killers are evil. There are many different reasons that someone might kill someone, and not all of them are unforgivable. Horrible things unfortunately happen, and it's important to get all the facts without acting on the instinct of prejudgment. Empathy is important.
The participants made this powerful. Lets be clear
@@Noise_floorxxwhile this is true, jubilee gave them the platform to share their powerful messages!
@@killjoypls Yes, that was my point- I just applaud jubilee for going out of there way to find people like this to share their story
Franco is someone who should definitely write a book. His humanity and empathy is just stunning.
He seems like this person who has such a calming presence, he seems so wise. I feel like he's someone I could listen to for hours.
He's also hot AF. I'm sorry 🙈
@@jmaldo92No need to be sorry 😂
When he talked about how much death he's seen throughout the pandemic is what kind of broke me. I recognized already that especially over a dozen year medical career he's seen the most death of anyone there, even more than a twenty year prison sentence or a seven year military career, but knowing how the pandemic was handled in the US and the staggering, unfathomable numbers and the toll it took on healthcare workers... Nicholas took over 30 lives during one campaign, it's not unrealistic to consider Franco might have had to remove life support for over 30 people a day at some point. I really feel for him and I hope he has the support he needs.
@@jmaldo92if you look at somebody with lust you have committed adultery in your heart
As a military member who went to war. When he talks about knowing how to diffuse a situation with violence every time you enter a room is still present at a certain level 11 years later
Stay ready you don’t have to get ready 6ps I still count exits and never have my back to the door or sit on the inside of a booth
Diffusing a situation with violence is usually called "escalating"
@@scaryalbino8807 In this context, I think it's called "survival." The situation he's preparing to diffuse isn't a verbal argument or something familiar; it's likely more like a robbery, an act of terrorism, or another violent act. In war, you respond to aggressiveness with counter-aggression.
@@mightyjet22 same, corrections.
Franco, you're not a killer. It's your job to end suffering.
Exactly. The only reprieve is that this is voluntary.
It’s still killing. He just isn’t cruel or psycho .
Agreed. It's not even usually about "plugging a plug". There is no plug. It's usually inaction and stopping saving them. This man doesn't belong here.
Seriously. A respiratory therapist who has to extubate people, some who are clinically brain dead. Jubilee needs to make their questions better.
@@EclecticDDyou guys are the ones putting the negative connotation with “killer” causing you to react so strongly. A person who is responsible for another’s death is a killer, and the whole point of this video is showing that that’s not always a cruel, amoral act. You’re missing that point if you try to act like he’s not a “killer” just because you agree with him
I really hope Forrest is able to forgive himself, he seems like a nice guy. Sending him prayers❤️
I hope so too but I think it's something that is very hard or probably even impossible to do. If I was him I couldn't stop blaming myself to be honest.
Forgiveness is clearing resentment and abandoning revenge. It does not alleviate responsibility or regret. It’s a daily practice.
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@forrest619 i’ll be real with you, this comment helped me organize and clarify some emotions i’ve had that i didn’t know what to do with, thank you.
@@Jamzamuraithis is so heartfelt. im praying for you within any struggle you’re fighting through!
Damn. When Forrest said @23:34 "We move in seconds and inches, and measure progress in (miles?) and years." That is so astute of him. The choices we make affect our whole path ahead. I hope he really finds (has found) peace in his life.
There can’t always be a reason for everything. With enough variables the possibilities become infinite.
Hearing Forrest describe not being able to understand his action and how he wasn't thinking when he accidentally shot his friend is so heartbreaking to me, because we all do things without thinking, and I know sometimes in retrospect I've felt so lucky that nothing bad happened but that isn't always the case :/
This was far more profound than I was expecting. So much respect to everyone in this video and Jubilee for shedding light and creating this conversation.
yesss i agree (btw i love your vids and you inspire so many people)
love you molly!
so true....
Would you ever want to be in one of their videos?
@@kate_omega2657she has been in one of their disability videos I believe
Franco comes across as so calm, respectful, empathetic and understanding. I think he is the perfect person for his job, even if that sounds strange.
Cus he’s a sociopath
@@Nikkisowner0 bro you making this comment makes you seem like a sociopath
Sounds like he enjoys it!
Terra explaining how the true crime community exploited her and her story... 😦 This is surreal.
I''m pretty sure this is a common standard within criminal underworld, lol.
wait so ur saying all those true crime podcasts are doing it for money and arent actually sending any money at all to the families... whaaat💀💀💀
@@impjbtw yup
The news media does this every single day.... The news isn't there to keep us informed. It's there to sell advertising.
whoosh@@meggiepooo
Forrest seems like a kind and gentle soul. His story moved me to tears because it was a horrible tragic accident where there are no winners. Everybody suffers and the trauma is lifelong, but you can't hate and punish yourself forever. I hope one day Forrest can forgive himself. It is evident he is full of remorse and has dedicated his life to trying to give back. I hope the family of his best friend heals, and his best friend continues to rest in peace. So sorry for all of their loss.
He is living his life as a forgiven and repentant person.
Faith in oneself takes time and effort.
He’s been and continues collecting crowns, he’ll believe that one day.
We don’t always have an explanation for what’s in our heads or in our hearts but our soul does.
Our inner being does try to teach us lessons on morality and virtue as we journey through life.
Having free will we can choose to listen or not.
was pleasantly surprised by the casting of different contexts and reasons...great job, Jubilee!!
Same!
Exactly!
I know the rizz videos are funny and are to appeal to the younger audience but this is what jubilee is to me. Strong interesting topics being discussed by strong interesting people.
Yes! I missed this jubilee content! It’s so interesting to hear the different perspectives and I take away so much from each and everyone one of these people.
Yes ❤
I agree, I've been watching Jubilee since their early days, and it's these topics that I love being discussed and the different perspectives
Yeah, I feel like they're doing too much ranking content now, I miss their spectrum and middle ground content.
Yes, thank you for mentioning it. These conversations are much needed.
I met Terra in New Orleans a few years ago with her Mother. I got to hear their story. She was 1000% a victim
Sure
Cry about it
Huh? What are you rambling on about? Move along
@@Okaydokie173 not you replying to yourself💀
Im sorry no one can intertwine a victim and 13 stabs with one in the eye ball no matter what is the context
She truly believes shes a victim but that's typical women
All of them contributed really meaningfully here, but Lester really stands out to me, each thought he contributes is so insightful and eloquent. "Transparency transports people." I love that quote. I noticed how he always makes an effort to relate to his fellow participants when they are maybe alone on the other side of the spectrum or they shared something vulnerable. That highlights how empathic he is. He is wise and conscientious in his word choice making him an excellent communicator; and I think he's a great person to be in the mentor role that he is in his community. Respect
This was such a well written comment! I completely agree.
Most definitely
Also the way he understands that he would be less impactful if he was making tons of money… I don’t have anything against money but you can tell he works hard to stay humble and helpful.
Everyone was so brave to open up. Proud of everyone!
Also poor Tara having her trauma BLASTED for true-crime fanatics. There is a difference in telling your story and having it being told for you. A shame it keeps happening to her.
THANK YOU for saying this
wh@@soggyfroggyz
@@soggyfroggyzokay edge lord
@@soggyfroggyzomg so quirky and different and not like other girls
@@Jjj-wm6ur She said that tara deserved it
the fact that jubilee was able to collect this demographic for this video is insane, this video is jubilee at its greatest
Well it makes sense. If they were cold blooded killers they'd still be in jail, so obviously their selection is of people where the context and situation is different and not so bad.
the fact that we aren't together is insane tbh
Having a job like Franco's is something I'd never even really considered, always assumed it would just be any doctor or nurse assigned to the patient who'd do it.. to have a job specifically doing that, I can't even imagine the mental/emotional rollercoasters you'd go through..
Respiratory therapy is an important space in medicine, especially critical situations like ICU or ER; if you're on a ventilator, you're having a bad day. Being in charge of the machine that breathes for people unfortunately means he had to also make them stop breathing
This! I’ve truly never thought of this being an actual position assigned to specific people, it’s oddly like being the grim reaper, that’s so sad 😢😢😢
It depends on where you work. Here we don't have respiratory therapists and it's us as the nurses (with the doctors) that pull the tube
Franco talking about staying with the mystery guy so he didn’t pass alone was heartbreaking
Yea I really felt that. My dad died alone in a hotel room a year ago and just knowing that Franco did something like tha for this random dying person really hit me
I like the diversity in the “kills”. The varying reasons and circumstance really gives scope and perspective. This was really well done!
LOL I made almost the exact same comment before seeing yours!!
I read killers and was shocked IMMEDIATELY. Currently watching the episode, and the first declaration was heartbreaking
LOL
@@samu-chanwhat’s LOL ab that…
The pain I see in Forrest’s face as he recounts what happened is just heart shattering. I see so much pain. I truly hope he finds the peace he deserves, he seems like a very kind hearted person
i would love to see a spectrum with therapists! as a therapist who has worked with a lot of people with chronic illnesses and drug issues, the question abt being desensitized to death/violence hit hard
Honest question, if they wanted to do an episode like that are therapists allowed to talk about their patients, especially this publicly?
I personally would not see it that way. No personal information is going to be shared. Therapists write about their patients all the time without detailing who they are. Some of the stories my therapist shares are very helpful. @@caulenspencer1157
@@caulenspencer1157 Hi, therapist here! No, they wouldn't be allowed to reveal patient names or other identifying features as part of their own ethical responsibility. But it would be okay to talk about topics from a generalized pov or even to talk about a story without giving identifiable information
Thank you for what you have done, it's tough.
Please know you’re valued! I was in and out of addiction and mental health treatment from the age of 12 until currently at 31. It wasn’t until I was 25 that I met the two counselors that would change my life. I am in the process of becoming a peer recovery specialist now myself and I wouldn’t be alive today without them. I know it can be a thankless and devastating job sometimes but I promise you’re someone’s angel 💕🖤🥀
It’s hard hearing Forrest talk about his situation. The pain and guilt of his actions are still very heavy for him. I really hope his healing process becomes much smoother one day soon.
I hope it never does, the people who were rightfully defending their family and land dont have the chance to live
@omarsahyoun5284 wrong guy, that was nick :p
@@omarsahyoun5284everyone in every military does but I'm with 🇵🇸
When I first saw the thumbnail I was like “why aren’t all these people in jail”. But then after watching I realised that killers aren’t always evil people
I fell for the clickbait too, but I'm having a more difficult time being forgiving. People hear the word "killer" used a certain way and they're going to assume a certain context. I guess that being duped often comes with the territory (of going on YT), but I don't appreciate when its done so deliberately, by a company who probably can afford to use more representative titles at this point. I may be in the minority, but I truly don't care how many millions anyone dangles in front of me, I would rather be respected and looked at as being respectable than knowingly disappointing even one viewer (much less doing it deliberately and being OK with it). I am weird though, and it doesn't really matter.
@@VenomousMinds respect ✊
@@VenomousMindshuh? How is it clickbait?
Hmmm... It's almost like when we don't automatically assume something, were able to actually better understand it, who would've known. Almost like getting to know something before making an opinion on it 🤯seriously though, the true problem with humans is that they assume everything too fast before knowing it.
@@VenomousMindsIt's not clickbait, the title isn't "5 murderers"
one thing that i can say about this here is that, this is really wonderful how they are not judging each other off of their emotions and They are allowing each other to speak, some other the other shows. they will go off their emotions and not listen to each other and how they all feel. really loved this here .
Terra is a badass and Dirty John is now in the right place. He destroyed her mother’s life and her daughter’s lives. She was almost the victim in the struggle and she made it. She made it!!
Where can I find out more about this story. I never heard of her.
@@beatricerights can just search up her name and dirty
John!!
@@beatricerightsIf you’re into podcasts, there’s a whole series on the situation. It was also made into a tv show.
It wasn't just John who destroyed the life of Tara. Her mother has blame too
@@msrainbowbriteAre you slow?
I have MAJOR respect for Terra. I learned about her story from dirty John and I cannot imagine the fear of having to kill someone especially being so young. She’s an amazing advocate for survivors of antisocial abuse and a very strong person. Sending love ❤
what's antisocial abuse??
@@chloet5593Antisocial Personality Disorder is a spectrum of disorders that include psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. Antisocial abuse would refer to abuse done by someone on this spectrum.
Sociopaths (Antisocial Personality Disorder)
I'm glad her story is able to uplift others who are going through similar situations ❤
She faked it all
Makes me so sad to hear terra say she feels exploited, I wonder how many people feel exploited by these types of true crime docs
I literally gasped when she said Dirty John. I knew exactly who she was talking about, the story. Yet. I’ve never heard of the real her. Honestly. Which just goes to show! I was completely taken back by her presence, as was I enlightened. She’s is one brave, strong woman!
the victims of jeffrey dahmer felt the same when dahmer came out
When my cat died I found him because he was crying early in the morning. He had soiled himself and I could tell it had been a long time which means he was holding on to get me to find him… he passed in my arms 5 minutes after I found him ❤
Respect for Franco such a hard job
The replies on this comment must have been hidden because no way it has 1.3k likes and no replies.
It’s crazy that he gets to know the patients and their families
This is like a taste of what Jubilee used to be, and I am hungry for more. I just love the depth and nuance in this video, and the longer length to accommodate the topic. Please please please do more videos like this.
Yeah, their older videos definitely had more emotional depth and meaning to them. It’s rare to see videos like this now on their channel.
now its guess who has the biggest boobs
A lot of it really depends on the cast.
Boy
Spoken in true wattpad fashion.
i think it's so cool how jubilee found people who did the same thing in such different ways. when i clicked on this i didn't even think about pulling life support or self defense, and it's interesting how they can relate in some ways even thought their experiences are so different.
Yeah, I expected it to be all former prisoners who mostly did it on purpose. This was a very diverse video.
True, I completely overlooked soldiers (ironic, bc I work with ex-military).
my heart aches for forrest. you can just see it all over him how much he still carries this with him. i hope others show him the same compassion & empathy he shows others.
Forrest, my brother died in the same way as your story. I forgave his friend long time ago and feel bad for him now. You're not alone or hated.
Forrest did my back piece tattoo many years ago and I was surprised to put on this video and see him. Wishing him well and much peace. ❤
Tara did my tattoo, and now I'm wishing I'd gone to Forrest instead.
Nick is my tattoo artist, would recommend
Lmao this comment section
Franco did my tattoo, but his hair kept getting on me. It was annoying
@@perfectpatties1759😂😆
I really like the variety of people here. Makes for an interesting conversation
There are different motives which make every story more interesting
I have seen Nick the Reaper on other channels. It’s enlightening to hear everyone speak about what they experienced. It shows how they see what they did and gives perspective to something that at face value is something horrible but for others it’s a job. I hope it makes some sense
TL:DR very informative and the people speaking show there strength to be able to talk about this. Thank you for your stories and your honesty
When my son was passing and he had to be taken off of life support, everyone that I met during my sons time came in and out offering their condolences and would tell me such beautiful words. They cried with me and hugged me and my family and when I had to leave they let me and my sons father take him a bath and change him for the last time. I handed my baby boy over to them and told them “please take care of him” and they promised me they would. I know it wasn’t easy to see all that happen and especially taking him off life support after getting to know me and my story and my sons story. I’ll always remember them forever
I'm so sorry for your loss. If you don't mind me asking, how did he die?
I’m so sorry for your loss 😢💔
Sending hugs to you ❤🙏🏼 bless your sons soul.
- I wish I could say more but thank you for sharing. My stillborn daughter’s name was Abigail. If you are comfortable to, I would love to know your son’s name.
I'm so sorry! Hugs from one mom to another.
This was probably the best spectrum I've seen in years and easily one of Jubilee's best episodes. I love how you guys didn't just choose ex-criminals but a spectrum of different people. Keep up the great work
To the RT, from a nurse. You are more valuable than I can state. Your skills are unparalleled, both practical and interpersonal. Your depth of knowledge and willingness to teach is unmatched. Your endurance for empathy is astounding. God bless you all. Thank you for taking the call, running to the bedside and helping. I was often in over my head, and you stepped in with adeptness to take care of the patient with grace.
I clicked on the video, because I wanted to see how such a sensitive subject would be handled. I was very pleased to see the participants and their absolute compassion for one another, and their self reflection.
I really feel sorry for all of them, especially Forrest. He clearly is still carrying the feel of guilt in him
I feel bad for Terra because I know she was a victim but you can see she is desensitized and it's almost like you can look straight through her eyes.
She probably faked it
@@soggyfroggyzdid he pick you yet?
@@soggyfroggyzyou're p@thetic
@@cristxllixWho?
@@soggyfroggyzyou look incredibly young. i genuinely hope that you never have to go through something like this where your comment will come around to hurt you too in the end. be kind to other women, because one day you might need them to be kind to you.
They are all incredible people but WOW.. Lester and Forrest are profound. Wow. I’m so glad they were both part of this. Them speaking together is the most beautiful and inspirational thing I’ve ever heard.
I love how each of these people experienced completely different things. It’s really eye opening and fascinating to hear what they’ve all gone through and how it’s changed them as people.
This was my favorite Jubilee episode I’ve ever seen!
I really like the way so many different perspectives were brought into this video, it really shows everyone's motivation/reason. Also, props to the people in there for being open minded to "debating" in a certain way. :)
Couldn’t have agreed more!
five killers. five completely different stories and circumstances. all really beautiful people trying their best.
what kind of award does this segment qualify for because it should win.
Should be 4 killers as Franco ain’t no killer he is just taking people off of life support.
only 1 premeditated killings = nick.
using "killers" to describe half of these people is a real stretch.
@@danliness5455they took a life, so it isn’t a stretch. They’re killers
@@lemonz0880how was it premeditated? That means PLANNED beforehand nothing was planned.
Lester comes off as such an amazing person, he probably won't see this but I'm proud of his personal growth. ♥
I’ve had the privilege to meet Lester, he really is a remarkable human being.
Ive lost a lot of people in my 34 years but ive only personally witnessed one death. I dont really recall most of it but there was a car wreck in front of my house when i was in high school. I live near Ft Moore aka Ft Benning. One car was full of soldiers and the other was a family of 4. Both drivers died. I went to the car with the family. My neighbors went to the other. The car was upside down on the ditch. I went around and asked who needed help everyone made their way out. I ran back in the house to call 911. After the call i went back out to be with them. The lady that was driving was sitting on the side of the road and i was talking with the other people. She just fell over. Gone. I was told later by an investigator that it was internal bleeding. I'll never forget that.
I've heard Tara's story years ago on Kendall Rae's channel, but didn't realize that was her until she said, "Dirty John" I happy to see she is okay. He was a terrible man and I'm glad she put an end to his antics. He would have killed her if she wouldn't have fought back as strong as she did. She definitely was a victim, but she is a fighter too. Said to see people exploit her story and she doesn't get anything from it though.
Her name is Terra, not Tara.
same here! didn’t realize it until she said that.
@@Ceerads Hippie name.
@@TheBcoolGuyTerra means earth. It's a beautiful name imho.
Kendall Rae donates to the families from what I understand when they have outlets to do so
This was an award worthy episode!! Great job Jubilee.
Thanks for watching!
Honestly!
23:16 - I agree with her. He shouldn't need to pick a side if he doesn't want to. He shouldn't be forced to pick a side if he doesn't feel comfortable in doing so, and the host is wrong, should be ashamed, for obligating him (or anyone) to do that. Sometimes, the neutral answer is the answer that the responder wants to give.
This entire conversation is one of the most insightful I've seen on this channel. So many different situations and perspectives, and no judgement from any of the others.
Grateful that Jubilee exists to bring these meaningful conversations to light.
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Everyone here has such a profound magnitude to them. You can tell they are all on their journey to understanding their meaning and purpose in life. Hearing them talk really put into perspective the meaningless little things I worry and stress about in life. Helping people, human connection, and empathy. That's what being human and living is all about
I would love to hear Lesters opinion on the prison system, the law, police officers etc.
It's amazing how he seems to have rehabilitated himself.
i’m so glad terra served her justice instead of letting whatever monster was after her and her family be “rehabilitated”. all these other people are amazing for sharing their stories, none of them are monsters and all their circumstances are so different.
using the word “killer” makes me feel icky when these people as they are so much more than that label. thank you all for being so raw and vulnerable. i understand why the episode is titled what it is and I am glad that you were able to get these people together because their voices are powerful. i’m now reimagining my definition of killer into carrying less negative connotation in my mind. this IS empathy!
yes but using this title distigmatizes stories like this
Black dude with the dreads is definitely a killer. In fact, all these people are killers except Franco.
Nick is a cold blooded killer for sure.
This was a really great episode. The two bald gentlemen were so empathetic and compassionate, you can see their growth and compassion.
Gentleman who works in hospital, you're not a killer.
Gentleman who was in the military, I'm glad you sought therapy now.
Ma'am, I dont know your full story but I am sorry you and your family went through that.
You are all very brave. Thank you for sharing.
I'd love to see an even longer version of this with all of these people. They seem like great people.
seriously though. an uncut version with more questions would be awesome
@@kyraikeda4305 or that longer format show where they walk forward if they agree and sit and talk.
Read or listen to nicks books. The first of I believe is way of the reaper by Nickolas Irving he goes into detail about his deployments and there's 2 or 3 from that and I believe one or more novels that have some basis in reality but are fictional
This was incredible. I felt a different kind of sympathy for each person. I like that they all treated this very seriously.
@23:17 "Lester, choose a side" -- That was crazy to call him out like that. I've never seen them do that before, whether or not someone was straddling the fence.
For real that was kind of weird like it’s a sensitive topic for them and it might not be as black and white as one might think.
My heart absolutely goes out to Forrest, I hope he finds the healing he needs and deserves 💜
I read all about Tara’s story when it happened and I was shocked to hear that’s who she was. I’m so so glad that her and her family are safe and free from that man
Who is she? Can you post the link?
@@beatricerightslook up dirty John documentary
Her name is Terra, not Tara.
me too!
Idk something about this woman is off..
Lester is smart asf. He could help a LOT of people process their trauma and stop coping the way he explains self victimization
I don’t know why but I was expecting just like straight up murderers when I read the title loll but I appreciate the mix of people. It really gives perspective. So much respect to Terra and Franco. I also hope Forrest is doing well. I can’t imagine what guilt he must be constantly going through.
It's kind of sad to see that this episode didn't get far more recognition. Regardless of how you may feel about some of these people, this was the first time I genuinely sat down and listened to the entire conversation. It's an enlightening conversation and really opened my eyes. Great episode.
This episode has gotten 3.8 million views. I would say it's gotten recognition.
They all gave such wonderful perspectives! Lester had me tearing up when he brought up all the perspectives surrounding one persons death. He is empathetic & it’s so admirable, what a great mentor he probably is. I pray they all continue to heal in ways they need 🙏🏽 thank you Jubilee for this video!
This episode made me cry. All of them seem like awesome people. What a life’s journey they’ve all had. Very brave to be this open. Cudos.
As a psychology student, I love Jubilee so much. This was such a great video and I genuinely feel for everyone’s pain and I loved listening to their feelings. Thank you for sharing.
What I love about this video in comparison to the other jubilee videos is it doesn't feel like this is a select group of people being gathered here but rather a group of people with vastly different values and backgrounds but with a singular shared experience.
This episode reminded me why i subbed to jubilee. Lately they have been posting videos where its not interesting or just straight cringe. I feel like this video is going back to the root of this channel. Creating a meaningful dialogue with interesting and differing perspective, as well as placing a spotlight on issues many people would never think about.
Nick is the one that represented my story. It's been since 2009 since I was on my last deployment, but I still remember everything like it was yesterday. This was a intensely interesting episode.
Ngl I saw Nick Irving a d clicked on the video.
This is absolutely one of Jubilee's best videos. Definitely their best in recent times. This really brings us towards empathy and understanding. Thanks to everyone who participated.
This may have been one of the top episodes I have ever seen. So much mental health talk, rehabilitation, etc. Very respectful people were included and it was captivating.
Oh wow I actually never thought of the “ plug pullers “ as killers but I guess technically they are
I still don’t think of it that way esp if it’s taking away life support
They are not
@@missshannonsunshinehave you ever watched someone get life support taken away? Many times they live for at least minutes. Watching and allowing death when you know you have tools to continue life at your fingertips can be very traumatic. Sorry to hear Franco and the Navy Seal didn’t feel they had a lot of coping support being that this is their career.
I think at that point they are already gone
@@julesk2629 yeah, it's all about perspective. Some family members can't let go, they have hope that they're alive still inside. For me, I just try to think about whether they're suffering or not, I guess
It's weird seeing the Reaper be so diplomatic about his experiences.
It irritates me seeing The Reaper get all this hate from people who obviously don't understand and would have never risked their lives for our country.
the thing is, he didn't protect his country, he murdered people on their own land, thats different
@@nickcox7431 Yeah, I'm not pro-war in the slightest, but if we didn't have a military or people volunteering to serve for the rest of us we'd all be seeing the horrors of war personally.
@@nickcox7431what your country do is invading another countries. afghanistan, iraq, libya, all invaded by the US. don't act like you militarymen are saints, you all have never fight a defensive battle since the civil war, all the wars US participated in the 20th and 21st century are offensives.
The freedom you Americans and us Australians have is all thanks to men like him.
This is one of the most interesting videos I’ve ever seen. We, as a society, are so fast to judge other people, it was very nice to hear different perspectives of such difficult topics
I can’t imagine what it’s like. The aftermath 😞 The ceiling fan dream was so morbid that was a NIGHTMARE!
@@D79447 why?
My thoughts exactly😢
@@johnabalos6328he's murdered countless people as a member of the invading military, quite literally the ones initiating the attacking.
Rn here…I’ve had to “take lives” multiple times. I’ve also followed the Dirty John story. This compilation of people, wow! I want to see them individually interviewed after this. I can’t help but think this exercise helped each of them. What a cathartic and bonding experience. Thanks to them for sharing & I hope this brought each of them tools and healing.
Just curious, what was the situation you were in to take their lives I would like to hear your story about it and coping and stuff.
Nick has an interview about his time in the military on vladtv
Nickolas Irving has a few books
I hope Nick got up with Forrest about writing his book. Nick's books have all been great reads and I'd love to read Forrest's story as well.
Are his books on Audible?
So proud of Lester and I hope that men like Lester help the younger men in our community to value life and weigh the consequences of their decisions.
My heart is with all of these people, especially Tara, she’s such a strong woman, I truly wish her the best!
I think its actually important to label them all as a killer. They're all on equal standing even though theyve all taken life through different means and circumstances. Very eye opening video Jubilee, well done.
Personally I disagree, I do not believe Franco is on equal standing to others. His job requires unfathomable compassion. This job could be filled by someone that secretly enjoys taking peoples lives but you can feel that Franco has such a deep heart and has been traumatized by his job. Very different to most soldiers or homicides who feel nothing for years until they are forced to look within and find their humanity.
@@electriksnake i agree but at the end of the day he takes the life of many, doesn’t matter if it’s for the best
@@electriksnake Franco having to take babies out the arms of their mothers is far more heartless an action than someone looking down a scope from nearly a mile away, doing math, and then pulling a lever on the dot, if you want to talk deeper context. Denotationally, both are killers. In terms of compassion, they both deserve it, making a difference make you sound snobby, more than helpful.
@@tumultoustortelliniyou sound delusional.
Wtf are u talking about its Literally his job..? And isnt the choice to pull the plug in the parents, person themselves, or families hands?@@tumultoustortellini
They all articulate so well.
There's many ways to cope. I'm glad they made sure to help themselves.