Do All Killers Think The Same? | Spectrum
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0:00 Intro
0:31 I would kill them again
4:20 I immediately regretted it
7:10 I am desensitized to death
11:52 I am also a victim
15:02 I have profited from the murder
19:19 Taking a life was part of God's plan for me
25:05 There are enough resources for me to heal - Розваги
Do you think k*lling another human is ever justified?
Yes, there are some situations where it's justified
Of course… killing another human for self-defense is justified.
self defense is the only situation that killing another human can be justified
yes
if it’s self defense yes
SniperMan: "I didn't feel anything . . ."
-proceeds to describe the most horrifying nightmare in human exsistence-
Ik that that brutal
I think he meant that he had a delayed response.
I get that. Your body does whatever it can to get you through a traumatic experience, and often part of that is keeping you numb until you are past the immediate threat.
My father died in front of me from a heart attack when I was 19. No one could understand how I managed through the first couple weeks, looking back 11 years later... Even I don't know.
I've been through other losses, other dangerous situations... I don't think I can convey it properly to anyone who hasn't experienced it, but your existence becomes so singular. As if your mind were a bag full of tangled elastic bands suddenly pulled taught all at once.
No one's response is the same, but it's common to be extremely driven and detached in the moment, and completely go off the rails later.
@@Victoria-dh9vbyep, same happened to me at 12 with my mom. didn’t really register until i was like 15 or so. still dealing with it 10 years later.
That's what I thought. He's so desensitised. Bless him.
@@ZMS463and he said he wasn’t desensitized i was like oh !
Forrest is so empathetic and has deep compassion for everyone else in this lineup, but you can tell he still carries his own guilt. I hope he can find the forgiveness in himself he is showing his peers.
The blonde woman has the "empty eyes".
Can you see it?
@@2020_Visi0nshe may have just been nervous
@@2020_Visi0nshe’s recounting trauma for this video so i’d imagine it’d be hard for her to be expressive
forrest, nick and franco have pretty much the worst life experience from all of them
That’s my name too lol
That dream the sniper had sounds absolutely terrifying. I wouldn’t wish that inner conflict upon my worst enemy.
War is HeII
Wait how is his dream embarrassing? Do you not know that mortifying mean “very embarrassing”?
His name is Nicholas Irving. I see him on UA-cam a lot. He also wrote a book about his experiences
@@djoyne391i thought mortifying meant like horrifying or terrible or something like that
Most of us Combat Veterans have nightmares like that. I've had them for 20 years. That's why I started Warr;or Catfishing. Fishing helps me relax and just chill. I figured if it helps me this much it'll help others. So from May to October we take Veterans and First Responders out catfishing free of charge.
Finally a Jubilee episode where every single person is 100% sane and not at each other’s throats the whole time! This was so refreshing! I feel I could be friends with all of them.
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It's ironic given the criteria.
a lot of their videos are pretty normal
It's funny that it's killers that can be the most sound of mind in society, might be a lot more work for us to do as humanity.
Most of this category are normal
Terra actually is a victim. Props to her for fighting back.
Aren't most of them victims?
@@Bash_Is_Bae Yeah, except Nick.
@@Bash_Is_Bae No.
@@Bash_Is_Baethe sniper choose to be one, so i don't see him as a victim, neither as wrong, just saying
@@byunbaekhyun2283neither is Franco, he was doing his duty just like nick
Came for the shock value stayed for the conversation.
Did you gain any new perspectives or have any takeaways?
@@jubilee No ❤
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 😭😭😭
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910😂💀
@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910you wrong 💀
Terra explaining how the true crime community exploited her and her story... 😦 This is surreal.
I''m pretty sure this is a common standard within criminal underworld, lol.
wait so ur saying all those true crime podcasts are doing it for money and arent actually sending any money at all to the families... whaaat💀💀💀
@@impjbtw yup
The news media does this every single day.... The news isn't there to keep us informed. It's there to sell advertising.
whoosh@@meggiepooo
Terra felt singled out for being the only one who said they were a victim, but honestly, she’s the only one who _was_ a victim. The rest acted. I’m with her on that. The spread of everyone else not being a victim but her is exactly what I would expect and hope for.
I'm curious, what did you mean by "the rest acted". None of them said they were victims. They all chose that they were not victims you even acknowledged this.
@@donovanwoll625 Oh, its acted vs reacted. So, they had a choice, they made the choice, and they followed through with the choice. Terra didn't make any choice, she reacted to being attacked.
I realize now this is something that is probably mostly discussed in writing circles where we talk about active vs reactive character.
That makes much more sense. I thought you meant it as if they were acting like they were a victim. Thanks for giving me an in-depth answer.@@tyler1107
@@tyler1107 dude who shot his friend didnt have a choice. it was an accident
@@michahund4879 But he made significant choices leading up to it. Notably, he broke all 4 rules of firearms safety:
1. A gun is always loaded
2. Only point the gun at something you intend to destroy
3. Be sure of your target and what's behind it
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until the previous condition is met.
That was a choice. An accident, yes, but one that was made through gross negligence and conscious choices.
jubliee took the whole "if you put 5 killers in a room" literally
Click bait title
@@EclecticDDnot clickbait
@@EclecticDDwho were you expecting? Jeffrey Damer, Jack the Ripper, H. H. Holmes, Pedro Lopez and Ted Bundy together in a room?
@@jannomeeuwessen4886absolutely heavenly cage match
How about 5 celebrities
Franco, you're not a killer. It's your job to end suffering.
Exactly. The only reprieve is that this is voluntary.
It’s still killing. He just isn’t cruel or psycho .
Agreed. It's not even usually about "plugging a plug". There is no plug. It's usually inaction and stopping saving them. This man doesn't belong here.
Seriously. A respiratory therapist who has to extubate people, some who are clinically brain dead. Jubilee needs to make their questions better.
@@EclecticDDyou guys are the ones putting the negative connotation with “killer” causing you to react so strongly. A person who is responsible for another’s death is a killer, and the whole point of this video is showing that that’s not always a cruel, amoral act. You’re missing that point if you try to act like he’s not a “killer” just because you agree with him
“Community is the antidote to a lot of human suffering” wow, such an amazing quote
@@HandlesTheCybermanexactly
Yaaas
Makes me so sad to hear terra say she feels exploited, I wonder how many people feel exploited by these types of true crime docs
I literally gasped when she said Dirty John. I knew exactly who she was talking about, the story. Yet. I’ve never heard of the real her. Honestly. Which just goes to show! I was completely taken back by her presence, as was I enlightened. She’s is one brave, strong woman!
the victims of jeffrey dahmer felt the same when dahmer came out
I thought you guys were crazy for this, but I stand corrected, well done jubilee
So glad that you enjoyed the episode! What was a takeaway for you?
@@jubilee I would say the fact that not all killers are evil. There are many different reasons that someone might kill someone, and not all of them are unforgivable. Horrible things unfortunately happen, and it's important to get all the facts without acting on the instinct of prejudgment. Empathy is important.
The participants made this powerful. Lets be clear
@@Noise_floorxxwhile this is true, jubilee gave them the platform to share their powerful messages!
@@killjoypls Yes, that was my point- I just applaud jubilee for going out of there way to find people like this to share their story
I love this. It sheds light on the fact that not every killer has a killer mentality like we think they have.
U havent even watched this its been a minute bro like come on
@@kenn2wierd963 fr lmaoo
The video just got uploaded bruh
I think reading your comment I'd like you to be my next
Victim lol
That’s exactly what we wanted to bring to this video, thank you for watching!
It’s hard hearing Forrest talk about his situation. The pain and guilt of his actions are still very heavy for him. I really hope his healing process becomes much smoother one day soon.
I hope it never does, the people who were rightfully defending their family and land dont have the chance to live
@omarsahyoun5284 wrong guy, that was nick :p
@@omarsahyoun5284everyone in every military does but I'm with 🇵🇸
i think it's so cool how jubilee found people who did the same thing in such different ways. when i clicked on this i didn't even think about pulling life support or self defense, and it's interesting how they can relate in some ways even thought their experiences are so different.
Yeah, I expected it to be all former prisoners who mostly did it on purpose. This was a very diverse video.
True, I completely overlooked soldiers (ironic, bc I work with ex-military).
I know the rizz videos are funny and are to appeal to the younger audience but this is what jubilee is to me. Strong interesting topics being discussed by strong interesting people.
Yes! I missed this jubilee content! It’s so interesting to hear the different perspectives and I take away so much from each and everyone one of these people.
Yes ❤
I agree, I've been watching Jubilee since their early days, and it's these topics that I love being discussed and the different perspectives
Yeah, I feel like they're doing too much ranking content now, I miss their spectrum and middle ground content.
Yes, thank you for mentioning it. These conversations are much needed.
Lester’s growth and rehabilitation is what the prison system should be about. It’s so amazing he took initiative to better himself. And Forrest, such a well-spoken and warm individual. This video is so thought-provoking and inspiring
Absolutely!
I completely agree that rehabilitation for criminals would be perfect, but I also think that the greatest benefit prison provides for us is that it separates us from them. I much more value my family going to bed peacefully than anything else
It depends on what’s inside the mind of a person. Some people are genuinely incapable of change.
Another point is that he’s lucky that he was actually able to turn his life story into a career, what about all the sinners who can’t find work or means of living after their incarceration?
@@Chromey3735 I get it... It's just a hard situation
The thing is that you can’t change someone who doesn’t want to change. Prison isn’t a cure, but you take out if it what you put in
I feel bad for Terra because I know she was a victim but you can see she is desensitized and it's almost like you can look straight through her eyes.
She probably faked it
@@soggyfroggyzdid he pick you yet?
@@soggyfroggyzyou're p@thetic
@@cristxllixWho?
@@soggyfroggyzyou look incredibly young. i genuinely hope that you never have to go through something like this where your comment will come around to hurt you too in the end. be kind to other women, because one day you might need them to be kind to you.
Forrest, my brother died in the same way as your story. I forgave his friend long time ago and feel bad for him now. You're not alone or hated.
Franco is someone who should definitely write a book. His humanity and empathy is just stunning.
He seems like this person who has such a calming presence, he seems so wise. I feel like he's someone I could listen to for hours.
He's also hot AF. I'm sorry 🙈
@@jackiemaldonado7777No need to be sorry 😂
When he talked about how much death he's seen throughout the pandemic is what kind of broke me. I recognized already that especially over a dozen year medical career he's seen the most death of anyone there, even more than a twenty year prison sentence or a seven year military career, but knowing how the pandemic was handled in the US and the staggering, unfathomable numbers and the toll it took on healthcare workers... Nicholas took over 30 lives during one campaign, it's not unrealistic to consider Franco might have had to remove life support for over 30 people a day at some point. I really feel for him and I hope he has the support he needs.
@@jackiemaldonado7777if you look at somebody with lust you have committed adultery in your heart
I really hope Forrest is able to forgive himself, he seems like a nice guy. Sending him prayers❤️
I hope so too but I think it's something that is very hard or probably even impossible to do. If I was him I couldn't stop blaming myself to be honest.
Forgiveness is clearing resentment and abandoning revenge. It does not alleviate responsibility or regret. It’s a daily practice.
K k
@forrest619 i’ll be real with you, this comment helped me organize and clarify some emotions i’ve had that i didn’t know what to do with, thank you.
@@Jamzamuraithis is so heartfelt. im praying for you within any struggle you’re fighting through!
I met Terra in New Orleans a few years ago with her Mother. I got to hear their story. She was 1000% a victim
Sure
Cry about it
Huh? What are you rambling on about? Move along
Nick is a perfect example of how war is a human disease. I hope he is seeking therapy.
I hope the families those brown kids that got their heads blown off seek therapy
Also glory to Russia🇷🇺
He tried to take his own life years ago but the gun jammed. He has turned his life around since then.
@@robert1757do you know if there’s a way to contact him and teach him how to keep his guns clean and functioning? I’d give him a class.
(Not in a I want him unaliving himself was just in a helping him to succeed kinda way )
@@silenceisbetterthannonsenseyou are awful
@@silenceisbetterthannonsenseyou're a disgusting human. If you only knew what he did for our military.
I admire Lester. I imagine it would take a lot of strength and vulnerability to take accountability and face what he did. He's a better person now, and that's amazing
Thanks 🙏🏾
W lester
@@hashbrown4mekinda obvious he was in prison for a long time. He talks about it
@@hashbrown4meisn’t the point of prison reform? He’s been reformed. He served his punishment, learned from his actions, and is actively doing better than before.
@@path2redemption639 you're truly amazing, sir. You've turned your life around for the better and it's beautiful to see.
This was far more profound than I was expecting. So much respect to everyone in this video and Jubilee for shedding light and creating this conversation.
yesss i agree (btw i love your vids and you inspire so many people)
love you molly!
so true....
Would you ever want to be in one of their videos?
@@kate_omega2657she has been in one of their disability videos I believe
They are all incredible people but WOW.. Lester and Forrest are profound. Wow. I’m so glad they were both part of this. Them speaking together is the most beautiful and inspirational thing I’ve ever heard.
Having a job like Franco's is something I'd never even really considered, always assumed it would just be any doctor or nurse assigned to the patient who'd do it.. to have a job specifically doing that, I can't even imagine the mental/emotional rollercoasters you'd go through..
Respiratory therapy is an important space in medicine, especially critical situations like ICU or ER; if you're on a ventilator, you're having a bad day. Being in charge of the machine that breathes for people unfortunately means he had to also make them stop breathing
Terra is a badass and Dirty John is now in the right place. He destroyed her mother’s life and her daughter’s lives. She was almost the victim in the struggle and she made it. She made it!!
Where can I find out more about this story. I never heard of her.
@@beatricerights can just search up her name and dirty
John!!
@@beatricerightsIf you’re into podcasts, there’s a whole series on the situation. It was also made into a tv show.
It wasn't just John who destroyed the life of Tara. Her mother has blame too
@@msrainbowbriteAre you slow?
I feel for Forrest, I can tell he’s been suffering with carrying that for a while.
Hearing Forrest describe not being able to understand his action and how he wasn't thinking when he accidentally shot his friend is so heartbreaking to me, because we all do things without thinking, and I know sometimes in retrospect I've felt so lucky that nothing bad happened but that isn't always the case :/
Forrest seems like a kind and gentle soul. His story moved me to tears because it was a horrible tragic accident where there are no winners. Everybody suffers and the trauma is lifelong, but you can't hate and punish yourself forever. I hope one day Forrest can forgive himself. It is evident he is full of remorse and has dedicated his life to trying to give back. I hope the family of his best friend heals, and his best friend continues to rest in peace. So sorry for all of their loss.
He is living his life as a forgiven and repentant person.
Faith in oneself takes time and effort.
He’s been and continues collecting crowns, he’ll believe that one day.
We don’t always have an explanation for what’s in our heads or in our hearts but our soul does.
Our inner being does try to teach us lessons on morality and virtue as we journey through life.
Having free will we can choose to listen or not.
was pleasantly surprised by the casting of different contexts and reasons...great job, Jubilee!!
Same!
Exactly!
Damn. When Forrest said @23:34 "We move in seconds and inches, and measure progress in (miles?) and years." That is so astute of him. The choices we make affect our whole path ahead. I hope he really finds (has found) peace in his life.
There can’t always be a reason for everything. With enough variables the possibilities become infinite.
As a psychology student, I love Jubilee so much. This was such a great video and I genuinely feel for everyone’s pain and I loved listening to their feelings. Thank you for sharing.
It's kind of sad to see that this episode didn't get far more recognition. Regardless of how you may feel about some of these people, this was the first time I genuinely sat down and listened to the entire conversation. It's an enlightening conversation and really opened my eyes. Great episode.
Respect for Franco such a hard job
The replies on this comment must have been hidden because no way it has 1.3k likes and no replies.
It’s crazy that he gets to know the patients and their families
I really like the variety of people here. Makes for an interesting conversation
There are different motives which make every story more interesting
This was a really great episode. The two bald gentlemen were so empathetic and compassionate, you can see their growth and compassion.
Gentleman who works in hospital, you're not a killer.
Gentleman who was in the military, I'm glad you sought therapy now.
Ma'am, I dont know your full story but I am sorry you and your family went through that.
You are all very brave. Thank you for sharing.
This is one of the most interesting videos I’ve ever seen. We, as a society, are so fast to judge other people, it was very nice to hear different perspectives of such difficult topics
Franco talking about staying with the mystery guy so he didn’t pass alone was heartbreaking
Yea I really felt that. My dad died alone in a hotel room a year ago and just knowing that Franco did something like tha for this random dying person really hit me
Everyone was so brave to open up. Proud of everyone!
Also poor Tara having her trauma BLASTED for true-crime fanatics. There is a difference in telling your story and having it being told for you. A shame it keeps happening to her.
THANK YOU for saying this
wh@@soggyfroggyz
@@soggyfroggyzokay edge lord
@@soggyfroggyzomg so quirky and different and not like other girls
@@Jjj-wm6ur She said that tara deserved it
I absolutely loved this video. No judgement amongst eachother, just a civil conversation on their extremely varying stories.
As someone who fears death this video was a very challenging watch, but it was a great find and I appreciated the insight and stories
If I can share.. but first, my disclaimer is that I’m not remotely religious and I don’t really fear death, honestly the processing of dying isn’t as stressful as most things that we battle with day to day - some of which can take days, months, and/or years to sort out. Whereas… at the end, it’s the end… there’s nothing else to really do then (dependent on the how/why of course). I lost my parents when I was fairly young too.. and I watched them pass away. Honestly, from my perspective, if there’s anything to be fearful of or stressed about it would be the situation that a dying person leaves behind for any potential dependents/family. I always recommend having a life insurance policy, preparing a will, writing out directives, etc… no matter the age… that makes dealing with death and the fallout SO much easier for family to handle.
I think everyone fears death
Why fear the inevitable?
@@panadocoughsyrupNah, lots of people don't
@@fabiola7452that’s the scary thing about it, it is inevitable. just like fearing change, it is inevitable.
Franco comes across as so calm, respectful, empathetic and understanding. I think he is the perfect person for his job, even if that sounds strange.
When I first saw the thumbnail I was like “why aren’t all these people in jail”. But then after watching I realised that killers aren’t always evil people
I fell for the clickbait too, but I'm having a more difficult time being forgiving. People hear the word "killer" used a certain way and they're going to assume a certain context. I guess that being duped often comes with the territory (of going on YT), but I don't appreciate when its done so deliberately, by a company who probably can afford to use more representative titles at this point. I may be in the minority, but I truly don't care how many millions anyone dangles in front of me, I would rather be respected and looked at as being respectable than knowingly disappointing even one viewer (much less doing it deliberately and being OK with it). I am weird though, and it doesn't really matter.
@@VenomousMinds respect ✊
@@VenomousMindshuh? How is it clickbait?
Hmmm... It's almost like when we don't automatically assume something, were able to actually better understand it, who would've known. Almost like getting to know something before making an opinion on it 🤯seriously though, the true problem with humans is that they assume everything too fast before knowing it.
My heart is with all of these people, especially Tara, she’s such a strong woman, I truly wish her the best!
Rn here…I’ve had to “take lives” multiple times. I’ve also followed the Dirty John story. This compilation of people, wow! I want to see them individually interviewed after this. I can’t help but think this exercise helped each of them. What a cathartic and bonding experience. Thanks to them for sharing & I hope this brought each of them tools and healing.
Just curious, what was the situation you were in to take their lives I would like to hear your story about it and coping and stuff.
Nick has an interview about his time in the military on vladtv
Nickolas Irving has a few books
Forrest did my back piece tattoo many years ago and I was surprised to put on this video and see him. Wishing him well and much peace. ❤
Tara did my tattoo, and now I'm wishing I'd gone to Forrest instead.
Nick is my tattoo artist, would recommend
Lmao this comment section
Franco did my tattoo, but his hair kept getting on me. It was annoying
@@perfectpatties1759😂😆
All of them contributed really meaningfully here, but Lester really stands out to me, each thought he contributes is so insightful and eloquent. "Transparency transports people." I love that quote. I noticed how he always makes an effort to relate to his fellow participants when they are maybe alone on the other side of the spectrum or they shared something vulnerable. That highlights how empathic he is. He is wise and conscientious in his word choice making him an excellent communicator; and I think he's a great person to be in the mentor role that he is in his community. Respect
This was such a well written comment! I completely agree.
Most definitely
Also the way he understands that he would be less impactful if he was making tons of money… I don’t have anything against money but you can tell he works hard to stay humble and helpful.
one thing that i can say about this here is that, this is really wonderful how they are not judging each other off of their emotions and They are allowing each other to speak, some other the other shows. they will go off their emotions and not listen to each other and how they all feel. really loved this here .
I clicked on the video, because I wanted to see how such a sensitive subject would be handled. I was very pleased to see the participants and their absolute compassion for one another, and their self reflection.
This is like a taste of what Jubilee used to be, and I am hungry for more. I just love the depth and nuance in this video, and the longer length to accommodate the topic. Please please please do more videos like this.
Yeah, their older videos definitely had more emotional depth and meaning to them. It’s rare to see videos like this now on their channel.
now its guess who has the biggest boobs
A lot of it really depends on the cast.
Boy
Spoken in true wattpad fashion.
the fact that jubilee was able to collect this demographic for this video is insane, this video is jubilee at its greatest
Well it makes sense. If they were cold blooded killers they'd still be in jail, so obviously their selection is of people where the context and situation is different and not so bad.
It's weird seeing the Reaper be so diplomatic about his experiences.
It irritates me seeing The Reaper get all this hate from people who obviously don't understand and would have never risked their lives for our country.
the thing is, he didn't protect his country, he murdered people on their own land, thats different
@@nickcox7431 Yeah, I'm not pro-war in the slightest, but if we didn't have a military or people volunteering to serve for the rest of us we'd all be seeing the horrors of war personally.
I love how each of these people experienced completely different things. It’s really eye opening and fascinating to hear what they’ve all gone through and how it’s changed them as people.
This was my favorite Jubilee episode I’ve ever seen!
i would love to see a spectrum with therapists! as a therapist who has worked with a lot of people with chronic illnesses and drug issues, the question abt being desensitized to death/violence hit hard
Honest question, if they wanted to do an episode like that are therapists allowed to talk about their patients, especially this publicly?
I personally would not see it that way. No personal information is going to be shared. Therapists write about their patients all the time without detailing who they are. Some of the stories my therapist shares are very helpful. @@caulenspencer1157
@@caulenspencer1157 Hi, therapist here! No, they wouldn't be allowed to reveal patient names or other identifying features as part of their own ethical responsibility. But it would be okay to talk about topics from a generalized pov or even to talk about a story without giving identifiable information
Thank you for what you have done, it's tough.
Please know you’re valued! I was in and out of addiction and mental health treatment from the age of 12 until currently at 31. It wasn’t until I was 25 that I met the two counselors that would change my life. I am in the process of becoming a peer recovery specialist now myself and I wouldn’t be alive today without them. I know it can be a thankless and devastating job sometimes but I promise you’re someone’s angel 💕🖤🥀
I have MAJOR respect for Terra. I learned about her story from dirty John and I cannot imagine the fear of having to kill someone especially being so young. She’s an amazing advocate for survivors of antisocial abuse and a very strong person. Sending love ❤
what's antisocial abuse??
@@chloet5593Antisocial Personality Disorder is a spectrum of disorders that include psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists. Antisocial abuse would refer to abuse done by someone on this spectrum.
Sociopaths (Antisocial Personality Disorder)
I'm glad her story is able to uplift others who are going through similar situations ❤
She faked it all
This was an amazing episode , everyone did amazing at showing compassion , empathy and not just listening but talking to one another
I started college to be a respiratory therapist, but I couldn't get used to the blood and stress if I would make a mistake and hurt someone. I'm glad I switched to be a teacher, and it is hard to see how this job impacted the respiratory therapist in this video.
I like the diversity in the “kills”. The varying reasons and circumstance really gives scope and perspective. This was really well done!
LOL I made almost the exact same comment before seeing yours!!
I read killers and was shocked IMMEDIATELY. Currently watching the episode, and the first declaration was heartbreaking
LOL
@@samu-chanwhat’s LOL ab that…
Great episode. Probably super healing for all of them to have people that just understand, fully, what they have been through and continue to go through.
I LOVED this episode. It was so....needed. Thank you for letting us all learn their stories.
I really feel sorry for all of them, especially Forrest. He clearly is still carrying the feel of guilt in him
This was an award worthy episode!! Great job Jubilee.
Thanks for watching!
Honestly!
i’m so glad terra served her justice instead of letting whatever monster was after her and her family be “rehabilitated”. all these other people are amazing for sharing their stories, none of them are monsters and all their circumstances are so different.
i would love to give all of these people a big hug. much love to everyone for coming on this episode. talking about what happened, recounting traumatic moments, everything has got to be so difficult regardless of how long ago it happened.
I've heard Tara's story years ago on Kendall Rae's channel, but didn't realize that was her until she said, "Dirty John" I happy to see she is okay. He was a terrible man and I'm glad she put an end to his antics. He would have killed her if she wouldn't have fought back as strong as she did. She definitely was a victim, but she is a fighter too. Said to see people exploit her story and she doesn't get anything from it though.
Her name is Terra, not Tara.
same here! didn’t realize it until she said that.
@@Ceerads Hippie name.
@@TheBcoolGuyTerra means earth. It's a beautiful name imho.
Kendall Rae donates to the families from what I understand when they have outlets to do so
Oh wow I actually never thought of the “ plug pullers “ as killers but I guess technically they are
I still don’t think of it that way esp if it’s taking away life support
They are not
@@missshannonsunshinehave you ever watched someone get life support taken away? Many times they live for at least minutes. Watching and allowing death when you know you have tools to continue life at your fingertips can be very traumatic. Sorry to hear Franco and the Navy Seal didn’t feel they had a lot of coping support being that this is their career.
I think at that point they are already gone
@@julesk2629 yeah, it's all about perspective. Some family members can't let go, they have hope that they're alive still inside. For me, I just try to think about whether they're suffering or not, I guess
This episode made me cry. All of them seem like awesome people. What a life’s journey they’ve all had. Very brave to be this open. Cudos.
I feel for Forrest, I got some real close friends I'd fight the world for. I couldn't imagine how horrible I'd feel if it was me and me alone that took any of them away from all the people they know, I know, etc. I'd regret every single day.
23:16 - I agree with her. He shouldn't need to pick a side if he doesn't want to. He shouldn't be forced to pick a side if he doesn't feel comfortable in doing so, and the host is wrong, should be ashamed, for obligating him (or anyone) to do that. Sometimes, the neutral answer is the answer that the responder wants to give.
This was probably the best spectrum I've seen in years and easily one of Jubilee's best episodes. I love how you guys didn't just choose ex-criminals but a spectrum of different people. Keep up the great work
I hope Nick got up with Forrest about writing his book. Nick's books have all been great reads and I'd love to read Forrest's story as well.
Are his books on Audible?
They all articulate so well.
There's many ways to cope. I'm glad they made sure to help themselves.
Grateful that Jubilee exists to bring these meaningful conversations to light.
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When my son was passing and he had to be taken off of life support, everyone that I met during my sons time came in and out offering their condolences and would tell me such beautiful words. They cried with me and hugged me and my family and when I had to leave they let me and my sons father take him a bath and change him for the last time. I handed my baby boy over to them and told them “please take care of him” and they promised me they would. I know it wasn’t easy to see all that happen and especially taking him off life support after getting to know me and my story and my sons story. I’ll always remember them forever
I'm so sorry for your loss. If you don't mind me asking, how did he die?
I’m so sorry for your loss 😢💔
Sending hugs to you ❤🙏🏼 bless your sons soul.
- I wish I could say more but thank you for sharing. My stillborn daughter’s name was Abigail. If you are comfortable to, I would love to know your son’s name.
I'm so sorry! Hugs from one mom to another.
I’m a respiratory therapist and I’m in awe that one of us was included here. I’ve been doing this for 20 years and people don’t always know that we’re the ones that actually “pull the plug” and it never gets easier. I do feel desensitized to death but there’s also cases where it is difficult. All I can say is that I would be a shell of myself if I had to do this with kids and babies.
This was one of my favorite videos ever.. all these people seem like great people and open to hear all perspectives without any hostility. Love it.
I would love to hear Lesters opinion on the prison system, the law, police officers etc.
It's amazing how he seems to have rehabilitated himself.
I really like the way so many different perspectives were brought into this video, it really shows everyone's motivation/reason. Also, props to the people in there for being open minded to "debating" in a certain way. :)
Couldn’t have agreed more!
Nick is the one that represented my story. It's been since 2009 since I was on my last deployment, but I still remember everything like it was yesterday. This was a intensely interesting episode.
Ngl I saw Nick Irving a d clicked on the video.
I have seen Nick the Reaper on other channels. It’s enlightening to hear everyone speak about what they experienced. It shows how they see what they did and gives perspective to something that at face value is something horrible but for others it’s a job. I hope it makes some sense
TL:DR very informative and the people speaking show there strength to be able to talk about this. Thank you for your stories and your honesty
The sniper is really interesting and honestly kind of scary to me. I don’t understand how you can’t feel anything in situations like that.
I feel like his coldheartedness is coping mechanism.
It’s a way to cope
His job is to snipe ppl. I’m sure he is used to it now where it doesn’t take a toll on his mental health
They're trained for that I guess
Well he’s protecting himself and others in those situations, on top of it’s his job so it could be a coping mechanism
To the RT, from a nurse. You are more valuable than I can state. Your skills are unparalleled, both practical and interpersonal. Your depth of knowledge and willingness to teach is unmatched. Your endurance for empathy is astounding. God bless you all. Thank you for taking the call, running to the bedside and helping. I was often in over my head, and you stepped in with adeptness to take care of the patient with grace.
holy cow forrest and lester are so articulate in the way they explain their perspective on morality and mortality
This entire conversation is one of the most insightful I've seen on this channel. So many different situations and perspectives, and no judgement from any of the others.
@23:17 "Lester, choose a side" -- That was crazy to call him out like that. I've never seen them do that before, whether or not someone was straddling the fence.
I'd love to see an even longer version of this with all of these people. They seem like great people.
seriously though. an uncut version with more questions would be awesome
@@kyraikeda4305 or that longer format show where they walk forward if they agree and sit and talk.
Read or listen to nicks books. The first of I believe is way of the reaper by Nickolas Irving he goes into detail about his deployments and there's 2 or 3 from that and I believe one or more novels that have some basis in reality but are fictional
Gawd this was such s great episode!!!!!! very knowledgeable and informative! we need more episodes like this. it doesnt have to be based on killers but just peoples minds/opinions in general. i been watching you guys for a while and seen alot of these and have learned so much. thank you to those who were brave enough to talk about their experience's respect to all. i hope they get the help they need and just know that there are people out here who do care/want to help on/ask if YOURE ok. Mental health is very important! please do more of these kinds of videos.
"Community is the antidote for a lot of human suffering". Beautiful said!
Lester comes off as such an amazing person, he probably won't see this but I'm proud of his personal growth. ♥
I’ve had the privilege to meet Lester, he really is a remarkable human being.
I read all about Tara’s story when it happened and I was shocked to hear that’s who she was. I’m so so glad that her and her family are safe and free from that man
Who is she? Can you post the link?
@@beatricerightslook up dirty John documentary
Her name is Terra, not Tara.
me too!
Idk something about this woman is off..
This was really heavy; I was so invested in hearing from EVERYONE on this episode. Truly eye opening and amazing
so profound. so important to discuss. This was so beneficial to remind myself how precious life is and that staying open to connection through vulnerability is so important.
using the word “killer” makes me feel icky when these people as they are so much more than that label. thank you all for being so raw and vulnerable. i understand why the episode is titled what it is and I am glad that you were able to get these people together because their voices are powerful. i’m now reimagining my definition of killer into carrying less negative connotation in my mind. this IS empathy!
yes but using this title distigmatizes stories like this
Black dude with the dreads is definitely a killer. In fact, all these people are killers except Franco.
Nick is a cold blooded killer for sure.
I don’t know why but I was expecting just like straight up murderers when I read the title loll but I appreciate the mix of people. It really gives perspective. So much respect to Terra and Franco. I also hope Forrest is doing well. I can’t imagine what guilt he must be constantly going through.
five killers. five completely different stories and circumstances. all really beautiful people trying their best.
what kind of award does this segment qualify for because it should win.
Should be 4 killers as Franco ain’t no killer he is just taking people off of life support.
only 1 premeditated killings = nick.
using "killers" to describe half of these people is a real stretch.