Let's Talk About Sokka in Netflix's Live Action Avatar... (New Scenes and Controversy)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- The Netflix live action Avatar The Last Airbender just gave us a new reveal of scenes around the character Sokka. It was revealed in a new clip that we are going to break down in this video! One of the big topics of discussion in the last few days we will also discuss is around a small change to his character in this upcoming season that has divided some people. We are going to break it all down here in this video! Enjoy!
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an upcoming American adventure fantasy television series. It is a live-action adaptation of the animated television series of the same name (2005-2008). The series is scheduled for a 2024 premiere on Netflix and will consist of eight 1-hour-long episodes.
0:00 Intro
0:40 THANK YOU FOR 1,000 SUBSCRIBERS
1:33 New Sokka Scenes Revealed
3:20 The Mechanist
3:45 Sokka in Southern Water Tribe
5:06 The Sokka Change "Controversy"
6:53 My Thoughts
7:31 Sokka's Bigger Qualities
8:26 Keeping an Open Mind
10:41 Outro
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I completely agree.
You can list the things central to Sokka's character arc very easily, and it would read as a summary of who Sokka is and who he becomes:
1. He's Katara's brother. This is easily his most central relationship. Every episode features this.
2. He's a non-bender attempting to navigate a benders world.
3. He's Comic relief - this is another element present in every episode.
4. He's Hakoda's son, and a warrior. These qualities define his choices.
5. He's Suki's boyfriend/partner. Sokka grows from a boy to a man, during Avatar, and the main way he does is as Suki's boyfriend, as she forces him to grow up.
These are the primary elements of Sokka. Sexism doesn't need to be front and center.
Great video - liked and subscribed.
Pinning this comment simply because you said what I said just in broader terms so thank you so much!
@@dfwm20 yep. Exactly. A great deal is being made out of a meaningless 4 minutes.
@@uncleirohsteashop thank you for your Video!
What i always thought was interesting about Sokka's sexism in the Kyoshi Island episode is how he immediatety came back to apologize on his knees asking her to train him. That's how you knew that his sexist remarks weren't rooted in actual disrespect for women but his own insecurity about his lacking fighting skills. He wants to be a warrior to feel connected to his dad. I think an actual sexist wouldn't have come around this quickly. His behavior was still shitty, but he redeemed himself in an interesting way.
However I don't mind them handling it differently, i'm down for a more thoughtful Sokka when it cones to that 😂
Exactly, his sexism was just another way to show his insecurity. They can replace it with anything else and it will be fine. It's not like the bring the subject, later on, it was only for the first few episodes then it's completely forgotten. They can easily put anything that would go towards his lack of confidence with the lack of bending or other power. It would go well with season 3.
Ooh I never thought of it that way. I hope they show his insecurities a bit more in season 1!
I honestly love this view on it this is very interesting
@@IsraelLlerena They will. Because it's also stated in the article. Everyone focused on that quote, pretending "Sokka won't have a storyline anymore" (because apparently Sexism is his storyline according to these people) even tho the article says otherwise, as quote: " Also playing out differently is the absence of Katara and Sokka’s parents. In the animated series, their mom died when the Fire Nation invaded, and their dad is off fighting in the war. While the cartoon addressed this narrative, the live-action series makes it more of a lingering trauma that affects both siblings. For Sokka, “He’s dealing with what it means to not have his father and try to maybe lead when you're not fully capable,” Ousley says.
“I do feel like it's a recurring theme,” Kiawentiio adds. “It's such a big part of their lives.” "
Apparently the writers' intention will be to use Katara/Sokka and Zuko/Azula as "siblings foils" when it comes to their relationships to their parents (which is something the cartoon does too, ie Zuko and Katara bonding over their mothers' death/disappearence or the parallel between Zuko and Katara on 3x01 facing their fathers) because right after the article compares this role of Hakoda's absence on his kids to Ozai's presence in the show and how it influences Azula and Zuko as characters as well.
I’ve never viewed it like this before. It’s a pretty good way of viewing it.
the fact that they say "we took out HOW sexist [Sokka] was" tells me that it was toned down, not removed. All this drama on twitter is giving me a headache.
Ikr? They’re acting as if it’s a big game changer that would affect the entire arc and would help defeat the Fire Nation lol.
Sounds like Twitter. I’ve decided to just stop paying attention to the drama. Some people just can’t seem communicate through anything but hyperbolism. The closer we get to release, the more reading comprehension and critical thought seem to be drowned out. Once the show airs, I’m just going to stay away from social media until I’ve watched it and let it sink in.
Please, people have like 0 brain cells and reading comprehension, but what else you can do with these people that complain about anything, the show isn't even out yet 😭😭😭
And what Uncle Iroh said here 5:59-6:54: 100% agreed, they're taking this "controversy" just for attention
THANK YOU. Finally someone who knows how to read these article quotes carefully. Jeez.
Lmao that's just Twitter for you, it has never been a bigger hellhole then it is now with its new garbage systems
Sokkas ‘sexism’ in the series wasn’t even crazy by all means. And even if he was, who cares? It’s part of his development.
People just need to wait until the show ACTUALLY comes out like damn
Ikr like be patient and just see it first, before you give your whole opinion on how “bad” it’s gonna be😭😭😭 we got like 2.5 mins out of 8 hours💀💀💀
They're already bashing the show when it isn't out yet damn twitter is a bad place to be rn for avater fans 😂
@@emilee7306 Twitter just a bad place in general I don't trust anything anyone says on there anymore especially if they have a blue checkmark
I honestly completely forgot about those few remarks from book 1. There is so much to Sokka. The ones freaking out are the same people that are asking for Toph when she clearly comes in book 2
LMAO ya dude I've seen some people not know that she doesn't show up till way later. Like you every time I've watched the show I always remember him for his humor versus these few remarks that I always forget. Hmmm I wonder why... maybe it's because they are only there for two or four episodes.😅
@@uncleirohsteashop and those remarks take up a few seconds. Like, it’s not that deep people 😂
@@uncleirohsteashopsame honestly it’s pretty funny
Lmao yes! The "where's toph" comments are getting annoying 😂
I feel like there’s a lot rinding on this being good and ANY changes are met with hostility when we gotta see this thing to judge it
I mean again I am not sure what some people expected was going to happen. Listen, as someone who's favorite show ever is the original more than anything I want this show to be awesome but I am also going in understanding that it won't be fully like the original.
@@uncleirohsteashop First of love the channel and I hope you see lots of growth! Second I completely agree with you on expecting and being open minded to the changes. I LOVED this show as a kid and still as an adult I try to get every avatar funko pop that comes out. Had all the video games. I just loved ATLA in beyond excited for this series.
@@im3011fulAgreed! They have to make SOME changes to make sure it’s fresh. If you want a remake, then obviously the OG Cartoon is the best option, but I like a more in depth look at Ozai and Azula.
Problem is that the original script is perfect. Any change is wrong and an abomination.
@@ChickenFriedDryEraseMarkers You won’t know that until you see the series. I like to keep an open mind but we have to wait to know for sure
Between toning down sexism and calling the show "too Asian", this world we live in today is so backwards. You can never make these people happy.
Who said the show was too Asian?
@@PelafinaLievrethere's a video that i saw someone made that says it is too Asian and i didn't bother clicking on it cause it looks like it's gonna be such a toxic video
@@DarkSwam56 I don’t even know what to say to that. Aang was raised by monks for Raava’s sake.
I am wondering if there's any non asians in the show, as it seemed that the world was supposed to be inhabited by various races.
True. It's so stupid. Better then that white-washed piece of crap that Shamalan never made and doesn't exist. Although, not sure why they even revealed the sexism thing. Just let people watch it.
Even in the podcast the creators talk about how they stand by Sokkas writing but know they could do it different now and still have the same messages behind it. I am so excited to see Sokka, I think a live action show can even deep dive the growth and relationships with other people more and even expand on him which I think the OG couldn't do with limited time
people make too much fuss about this change. personally i dont really care that much about it since Sokka grows from his sexism in episode 4 of the cartoon which would be ep 2 for the live action. yea it could've been fun seeing him make fun of katara and other girls briefly but it dosen't matter in the grand scale it's really not a big deal
I agree with this, again I understand some people who say it's important but for me there are bigger things to him then that
@survivorswapped7637 You're missing the point if you think his sexism was supposed to be funny.... The kioshi stuff was a very early character development that showed Sokka to be the kind of person who admits when he's wrong rather than doubling down... Even on things that are almost fundamental to his worldview and identity ... His dad left him behind because he wasn't yet a man and also told him to protect his sister. That was huge for him.
It was fitting for him to develop a need to assert that men are warriors and that he was a warrior and therefore a man as a way of dealing with what he felt was a personal failure that ended up separating him from his father.
I know his sexism resolves early, but the fact that it existed and then immediately changed was a very important and well integrated part of who Sokka was as a character.
@@MetaphoricalMountaineering it's still not that big of a deal. we see sokka still wanting suki to train him for a reason, in the original is because he wants to learn from a woman, in the show because she's a warrior and teach him how to fight as non benders. and his sexism is not totally removed is just tuned down
@@stormdragon2529 It might not be a big deal... If the sexist remarks are just toned down it's nothing. Somebody else here pointed out that the sexism from the original was cartoonishly over the top and it would be jarring if it weren't toned down in live action. Kinda true. But if they totally removed it, and this is how it sounded to me, just because they think that protagonist characters shouldn't show signs of sexism for even a second, I'm kinda nervous... they're gonna have to do something else that keeps Sokka from being a static character in the first book.
lol yeah I saw that ''controversy''... ''toned down'' might also means being more subtle about it, like actual real life sexism often is
Let's be honest though, you don't actually believe thats gonna happen. Theyre just gonna remove that entire part of his arc
@@Greyimm Let's be honest, you're projecting.
@@MARYWTHER I really am so scared that theyre gonna remove my sexist arc from ATLA bro thank you so much for pointing that out!
@@GreyimmHow do you know? You saw the show?
My guess is that they'll keep the sexism in for when it presents a teachable moment, they'll propbably tone down the remarks he makes as jokes towards women, which imo in dumb because they're jokes. Either way as long as it's a good show idc.
I agree an open mind is needed. I feel like many are so eager to dismiss the series outrightly --whether because of Ian's ethnic background or even from that very Entertainment Weekly UA-cam video, Kiawentiio saying how the OG series' animation doesn't allow for as much expressiveness compared to live acting which some just took as her arrogantly criticizing the source material. I think giving the benefit of the doubt is a proper attitude to seeing what might be a great live action adaptation of the series. If it doesn't meet expectations as Channel Awesome's Doug Walker said, in his real thoughts video on the Shayamalan video, we will still have the original series. Also, there will be many funny reaction videos to look forward to. I do think certain but minor changes are needed for character consistency in the original series, though. Like when Iroh and Zuko send the massive fireball at Appa, Aang, Katara, and Sokka, that is deflected by Aang into the side of a glacier or whatever causing an avalanche that damaged their ship, I think more clearly portraying Iroh as insincerely trying to bring down Aang might have been needed.
But if the series does poorly, I hope people don't resort to racism. As funny as I find hate videos for Shayamalan's film, I think the mocking mispronunciations of the director's name are uncalled for and clearly racist. I feel like people will turn on Albert Kim and accuse him of similar favoritism, too, that even the Normies mentioned when discussing how mostly South Asian actors were used for the Fire Nation. I feel like people will see Albert's usage of his daughter as a writer as nepotism and the choice of Lizzy as Azula as that same kind of ethnic favoritism. But all this aside, I can't wait for the series to be released
Uhmmm... you just mispronounced the directions name yourself... or was that an ironic remark?
I think there’s are a lot of ways to develop a character that don’t have to involve that character being prejudice. I understand that it was a big thing for book 1 Sokka in the original but there were more interesting things about his character that the live-action can focus on if they don’t feel comfortable with the sexism thing. Master Paku’s sexism however, that should be kept.
Will be curious to see what they do with that
Rather than sexism, Sokka showed his insecurities through sexism. But the beautiful thing about it is that he was able to redeem himself. He was able to find his confidence and give more appreciation to women because of the Kyoshi warriors. Even going out of his way to put on face paint and dress as a Kyoshi warrior.
Sokka has arrogance for a lot of things in the show other than just women
Thank you for giving your two cents on this whole thing, I can't believe that people are this angry and butt hurt over one change.Just because they reduct his sexism arc doesn't mean Sokka is not dealing with other stuff.
yup, as long as they deal with his insecurity another way, it's all fine.
Even though this is come out, I still don’t mind it if they don’t have it I have the original to watch for that. If they do something else then I’m fine with it but I see so many people on UA-cam and Twitter crying about it saying it’s a character assassination it’s like come on I’m still very excited Can’t wait for February 22. We are so close
If people think THIS is a "character assassination" then they are lost I am sorry lol
@@uncleirohsteashopsame sadly that’s all I see on twitter but that’s twitter for u
I like him, despite the hit and misses, he pretty much nails Sokka. As funny and entertaining Sokka in the original animated series, he too was pretty much hit and miss imo
People don't understand that copying 1:1 from a cartoon won't translate well to real life. One part of the fandom wants an exact copy of the cartoon, another part wants a whole new thing. You really can't please all these people. They will always find things they can shit on 🤷♀️
Btw thanks for being part of the fandom that's still radiating positive energy. You're doing tonnes for the fandom!
Much appreciated thank you, you voiced something that many other people have also said
All that I care about is that he has a growth arc, and they do Sokka’s Master episode major justice
I saw it as a written character flaw that added to his story arc. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they have "toned down" that part of his personality. It wasn't a major component of it but it was a part that "fleshed out" his character, and one of the points that highlighted his growth and development. I just hope that he does not come across as a cutout, but maintains his place in Team Avatar.
I mean it's not like he won't be a part of the group he's still there so again I don't find it to be that big of a deal since it's only a thing for a few episodes
@@uncleirohsteashop I agree, but I'm tentative about it. We'll see :). Either way it will TONS better than Shyamalan's attempt at it.
I think its fine as long as sokka gets a new and interesting story orc
This change is insignificant at best. Doesn’t mean much to me. As long as they keep his more cheerful and comedic qualities I’m fine! Thanks for the video man
Exactly they need his other qualities
Part of his arc was getting past the arrogance/sexism. That’s a while part of the show and not inappropriate at all in the original
It was just there for a few episodes so again I need to see context behind everything so for all we know he still holds arrogance
I totally agree with you! Many videos are expressing very negative interpretations of every detail that comes out of the series. Guys, this is not a fan thing. One thing is to question this or that news, another is to assume that something is bad, and make a video as if this were an absolute truth. This type of video damages the series, and we, as fans, have to support it, not boycott it. The other day I saw a video where the person says that a certain change will ruin the whole series...like...WTF? Are you basing the entire experience on the rumor of a plot change? What if the change is to bring more meaning to the story? What if it is needed to transport a Cartoon into a live action? Anyway... For me, this is a hater thing... You make videos announcing a negative view of everything you see about the series...
It's the Star Wars' fans mentality tbh 🤷♀
yea ive seen this all over social media, people acting like they are changing Sokka for Winnie the pooh or something. As you mentioned those sexist remarks in the show are just a few
Twitter's punching bag. Leave this man alone!
6:27 And this is exactly why I subscribed to your channel choom you really Stand on business with it comes to factual information about this show other channel are simply opportunist. That knows nothing about the TV show or the story.👍🏾
The reason people are annoyed at this, me included, is that while the remarks were very minute it was still one of the major things that triggered his maturity and growth. Another reason why im annoyed is because of they do this to sokka's relatively small amount of sexism i dont wanna know how much theyre changing in the northern water tribe. Because katara showing up trying to be a warrior instead of just a healer is what triggered a massive change in the northern water tribe. I am now worried that they will water down the sexism of the northern water tribe which is a world building point troggered by katara
The northern water tribe stuff I could maybe understand but the stuff with sokka is so minimal that it doesn't bother me that much. His arrogance towards bending and his journey to becoming a leader are WILDLY more important to his character.
There's a reason for Sokka's remarks about women in the show. It shows where he was ideologically before meeting and having journeys with Aang to his growth during and throughout all the journeys. It's important.
Again I can understand that but I don't believe it's as important as other stuff is
@@uncleirohsteashop It's as important as everything else, since it shows his growth. Toning things down or removing certain things creates less of an impact and then becomes less important because it's not as meaningful. It's the reason the original cartoon is loved by so many people. It's everything that it deals with. Some things might not seem as important to you but it's not going to be the same for others. Something you feel isn't as significant can be very significant for others. I'm still very excited to see this live action adaptation and the different things it brings.
@@lopemacthe show is not even out yet lmao. Have you watched how the producers talk about the show? They clearly love the show, respect its source material and understand the core and spirit of it. You should watch the show first and you can go crazy after that, no one would care lmao
@@julianajoharis7641 if you read my comment it clearly states I'm going to watch it and people clearly care. So according to you no one can comment about anything since no one has seen it yet. Just like how the poster of this video is commenting about something that no one has seen 😆 So caring and talking rationally about something is being crazy 😆 good job 👍🏻😆
@@lopemac again I completely disagree but to each their own on how they view it
Thanks for the shoutout! That was really nice of you! So glad you made a video on this, as it’s a pretty different perspective I haven’t heard vocalized yet! I don’t think it’s the biggest deal because like you said, there’s other important arcs that he goes through that build his character to be amazing. It’s not like he’s a nothing character anymore if they truly don’t make him have any sexist dialogue. But only time will tell if they really mess him up!
Exactly
I love Danny Pudi, the actor playing the Mechanist. He was in one of my favorite shows called Community. I can tell you unless the actor is playing against type. The character should be very , funny,weird and smart.
I have not seen that show so I couldn't say but thanks for the heads up
That's where I've seen him before! I knew I recognized him.
I am so with you on You Tube upholding the "Don't Recommend Channel" thing. The number of times I've clicked on this, and yet I still see videos from those channels.
Dude I know it's so annoying I can't stand how much I continue to see all this garbage
There's plenty of room for character growth for Sokka without adding the sexist stuff that changes fairly early on anyway.
Having them tone it down is way better than removing it completely
Thank You for speaking on grifter culture I applaud you sir
It's a culture I wish didn't exist because to me it has ruined any and all abilities for people to communicate with each other and also make situations out of something that doesn't need it
even we only got to see the back of his head and hear his voice I am SO excited to see Danny Pudi as the Mechanist! I’m a HUGE fan of Community and can’t wait to see how Danny brings the Mechanist to life
A lot of people seem to like his casting so I look forward to it
Okay I am loving the water tribe garb, especially the wide leather belts and I agree with you on the whole issue and Sokka's character growth. He's a child, from a tiny tribe where he is the eldest of a very small male population do to the men being away. The woman he's been exposed to in his life have certain roles and men have other roles in this fictional water tribe culture. That's his world. Once he gets some life experience and exposure to other cultures and different gender roles he begins to understand and grow. 💜
Sokka swallowing his pride and overcoming is sexism on Kyoshi Island is kind of like the biggest aspect of his character development in book 1. Hopefully all they mean is that his comments prior are toned down, and he still gets to learn the lesson he does in the anime.
To the creator's point, it can very easily be switched from blatant sexism to simply "In my tribe, we never had women fight. I guess I never considered they could" and many people, myself included, would be 100% fine with it. I think it's also worth noting that the warriors of kyoshi is literally the 4th episode in a 20 episode season. Remember we're only getting 8 episodes of the live action so if I were a betting man, I'd put Kyoshi at the end of ep1(cliffhanger) and into ep.2 (maybe 2&3 instead). This really doesnt give sokka too much screen time to be sexist in general, so they weren't really capping when they said they toned it down
I wanna see cabbage merchant reveal!
If they give us a regular reveal of cabbage merchant I will make a 30 minute video about it praising how glorious it is
@@uncleirohsteashop they’ll be funny if they do one of the character reveals like they’ve been doing for the cabbage merchant that’ll be awesome
Heads up: the actors didn't say "tone down", the exact quote is different..
Fair point but again doesn't overall mean that he can't show his arrogance for people around him
that'd be a different arc and a message that is already displayed later in the story in seasons 2-3, afaik@@uncleirohsteashop
@@YouYubeEnjoyerNum1 I think Sokka goes through bigger journeys in Book 2 and 3 then just arrogance
Okay and? Sokka is much more than just a sexist guy.
Honestly I’m not stress about this change about Sokka. Im actually looking toward these changes.
It's a huge part of his character development in season one. His sexism is also what drew him and Sukke closer. It's not a deal breaker for me but it's definitely an L on Netflix part
@@pappasmooth9051you have to understand that there are better ways to get close to Suki like the fact that they are nonbenders. Sokka thinks he knows how to fight but Suki teaches him. I find that better writing that them bonding because he was childishly sexist. Coming from a childhood fan.
@@shineexokpop6824 i suppose people are worried about the principle. like if sokka's sexism is "too problematic" then what else of the show is going to be removed? will they "tone down" the atrocities of the fire nation? or the bad things zuko does? personally im not fussed but i understand why people are worried about the larger story and how they'll be adapting it. however people crying on twitter because they'll miss sokkas sexism is a different thing entirely lol
@@petri868 I understand but people are ignoring things that have been explained for example the genocide and how cruel and trauma filled the children in avatar the last airbender are. I think people should watch the show first before calling it garbage.
Agree 100% with you on Sokka.
Sokka only had sexist remarks just a few times. Mostly in Kioshi island. It does not define his personality, so the show would be completely fine without those few lines. Sokka is funny and intelligent, everyone depends on his brain, he's great at planning stuff.
Him being a leader is SO MUCH more important to who he is through the whole of the show
Having the Mechanist played by Abed is the best choice ever
Look forward to seeing his portrayal
Keep up the good work my man
My theory of why they took out the sexism is because the comedic beat was what made sokka likeable despite his opinions. So, for example, the opening scene. I did NOT like Sokka at all for the first few minutes because of the way he was treating Katara. Until the whole quip with "this is Appa, my flying bison.- Right. And this is Katara , my flying sister" where then Appa proceeds to sneeze on him, and Sokka hilariously rubs himself against the snow. You can’t imitate that in live action because the comedy of it is in how exaggerated the reaction is. Sokka always has something like that happen to him. Every time he's a lil whiny brick (and especially when he's trying to be a ladies man or undermine a woman), some power of the universe comes down on him and his reactions work because they are animated to look over the top.
I am sure we will still get a lot of comedy and clutch-my-pearls moments from him. But between how difficult it is to portray that comedic beat onto the screen, and the fact that you can only make a first impression once, I can understand why the showrunners chose to drop that aspect. Sexism isn't as overlooked as it was in 2007, even if back then, Bryke purposefully made Sokka sexist to put him in his place. It simply would be too risky to gamble on his likeability with the new audiences when you have such little space to not only make a good impression, but to write a coherent, believable episode.
Fair and reasonable take so thank you for dropping it here
Its not about his remarks, it's about his outlook. With all of the southern waterbenders killed or captured (besides Katara obv), there are no female fighters. And with all of the other older men leaving for the war, he was left as “the man of the tribe”. So with that isolation and upbringing, all he knows is “women do X things, and men do Y things”. And of course that kind of position would go to his head.
After he leaves the familiarity of his home, he comes to experience the world. And when he starts thinking with a more open mind, thats when his best traits start to blossom.
To your point again if his arrogance is still kept there even if not from a sexist point of view it's fine. Because again he's very arrogant towards a lot of things.
congrats on 1k
we have to realise sokkas character is the hardest cause he's a comedian. but I won't have the same feel in the movie cause the animated just suits more
Again I would rather they keep his sarcastic and witty comedy
I can't stand how the community goes into an uproar at every single comment made, like, even if they were really changing his whole arc with suki this season, that would still be a minor change in the scheme of things. And we know they aren't. We have ample evidence that their story will be nearly identical involve training, hints of romance, and him wearing and fighting in their armor, we can easily get all that from the trailers and clips. People need to chill out and not take every comment as if it were the end all be all of whether the show will be good or not.
Couldn't agree more
Congratulations on the subs!
Thank you!
I think toned down is the key. I always felt it was a little heavy handed and came out of nowhere in season one. However, if given that the men went to war and what we see in the northern water tribe, he had a women can't be warriora belief from the start it would be consistent, but not so heavy handed.
Again, I feel if they brought that into the live action you just know people would be getting mad at that too
I feel like as long as they don't completely undercut Sokka's character growth on Kyoshi Island it'll be pretty satisfactory. There really isn't much opportunity for him to grow in Season 1 otherwise, as the lack of casting info for Bato seems to suggest that his character's been cut and thus we won't see Sokka's rite of passage.
We'll have to see what they do with the bato thing if it's not there but with regards to Kyoshi again we know he receives a lesson we saw the new photo they released
I'm pretty sure they just toned down Sokkas sexism. But also, I don't see why it's such a big deal, cause it was a good arc but it was already extremely short. Took the first 4 episodes and it was already over almost entirely
if Sokka's sexist comments is the only thing people remember of his character, they missed a HUGE chunk of the show! good gosh!!
Lmao now THIS is accurate lol. I can tell you right now if this was never mentioned in an article people would not have noticed it when the show came out.
He has the same smile as Walter White's son.
Who does?
@@uncleirohsteashop Sokka‘s actor
@@itsGcEdit hmm interesting I haven't seen Breaking Bad so I can't speak to that
Thank you. It's a 2 episode arc in a 20 episode season that they aren't even necessarily removing. I'd be a bit more concerned if they changed the northern water tribe sexism and even then -- I'm not a writer and I've never seriously studied character writing through years of schooling unlike the showrunners of this upcoming adaptation. People are looking for reasons to judge something just to have something to be upset with.
As long as “a little bit” truly meant just a small percentage. A big part of an episode is Suki proving Sokka wrong. The sexist remarks are important for that reason, as well as for comedy, and for an accurate depiction of what that time period would be like.
I am not sure any of his remarks were ever meant to be for comedy since he didn't say them with a joking intention
Thank you!!!! We haven’t even seen the shoe yet, but ppl complaining. I get it! We have a bad taste in our mouths from the movie, but this looks WAY better than the movie. You just earned a subscriber my boi
Thank you!
I'm hopeful that this show will at least do the OG series justice, to justify the reason their making it in live action, I want to see it okay out through the storytelling, I want to see some amazing combat sequences, no hand to hand stuff like the movie that shall not be named, pure bending and well choreographed fights, no quick cuts, just fluid, fast paced, awesome bending fights, and most importantly, don't show Azula or Ozai to much. 🙏🏾💯
I think you will get a lot of that
You right my man I do the same thing it looks very good I still watch it no matter what I saw the animation one when I was in middle school I'm 31 and this year I'm turning 32 it a great show when I first watch it
Hey, where do you see those clips? I want to see them as well, im so hyped!
Twitter is the best place for it
The only thing I am concerned with this show is it doing its counterpart justice, I personally just pray that Ian did not lie about his ethnicity for the role. I know it might not seem so important to others, but personally as a person of indigenous descent, it sorta just sours myself to see roles with characters that were very blatantly based off the Inuit and such to be passed off to yet white people once more when I know for fact so many indigenous actors and actresses would be screaming and fighting to be able to play our heroes. Seeing indigenous characters [ even if it was just a fantasy nation ] on screen when I was young where their culture was just something so important was so important to me. When I heard we might get actual indigenous actors and actresses for the Water Tribe I was overjoyed for it before I heard that might not even be the case for Ian.
I believe one of the things that had been pointed out was that someone looked and he apparently wasn't registered with the tribe which I am taking with a grain of salt. I personally hadn't been registered until recently, but yada yada. You get the deal. He can still be indigenous, do you know the amount of time some of these tribes get to get yourself registered, it took me over a year of nonstop calling to the tribal office to get myself on it.
He looks native to me. He's just not registered.
I cannot speak to this stuff and honestly I'd rather not since I don't know all the details
It only became a thing on twitter cause people were looking for something to discredit the show. Also I saw a lot of accounts who had never posted about the show before have an opinion cause it was popular
Lol well I am certainly not shocked by that
Can people just try to “be happy” or be “excited”- about something as amazing* as this!!!
-I don’t know - could it be they are not original fans from the beginning- because if they were, then they would be super excited and overjoyed (as the majority of us are),,,, and be patient and give this series time to be released ., - watch it and digest it,,,, THEN - comment on what was actually created and happened on the big screen for real….. don’t just talk crap and nonsense just for the sake of talking.
- none of us have any right to say anything negative after watching a few trailers-- because we have no idea what the creators and directors have up their sleeves …..
SO, everyone needs to just kick back,,, have a cup or two of some delicious *Jasmine Tea”…, and enjoy, ((more importantly - ALLOW US *Real Fans *something that most of us have waited over 10**** YEAES - TO FINALLY HAVE COME TO THE BIG SCREEN , ENJOY 🎉🎉”!! ))!!!!
great vid, love ur attitude towards clickbait meta on youtube, i do think sokkas sexism is needed especially during the kioshi parts, but toned down should be fine, we'll see tho, cautiously excited
I've seen some of these YT videos w/ critical points on this so called controversy and their comment sections are generally outrageous. While some of them have good points, I need to see myself the actual show. If they really change some things, I think Netflix is doing this to minimize or completely remove controversial elements (no pun intended) such as feminism. It wasn't too big of a deal in the past, but the times now are changing. Knowing Netflix and the kind of shows they did in the past, it may also be the complete opposite. Will see how they execute the story...
How outrageous are we talking lol?
@@uncleirohsteashop stuff like "that's the whole point of his character development" (which i think it's just a small part), "they were being deceived by having good promos and stuff", "it's dumb", "it's why the og creators left", some cursing words, etc..
@@mnmg ya I would just ignore all of that people know what they are doing when they say stuff like that. It's all to create and outrage or get people to like their posts.
I did feel that seeing Sokka start as a sexist kid and quickly move to a more enlightened view, but it is a small bit of his start and not a big enough issue to bother me. This issue does, however, bring up an important point. Anybody who thinks that this should be the same, line by line and scene by scene, is really missing the point of doing a live action version of the show. First, some things that work fine in animation do not work the same in live action, so they need to be changed in some way. Second, since animated characters only age when the animators want them to age and live actors age whether it is convenient or not, you need to adjust for actual age over the length of the series. Third, if it is going to be an exact copy, then it isn't worth doing - we already have the original, how would a one to one copy be worth doing? What one should be looking for is a show that honours the spirit, mood and concept of the original. Yes, that includes doing some of the same scenes, though even there, if you play out the exact events but change the point of view, you get something new and yet the same. This is what makes a live action worth the effort to do. Maybe includes some bits we heard mention of but never saw, maybe show us something from the perspective of different character or just cut the scene differently. Even doing things like taking elements of two different scenes and combine them to create a new scene.
Very important thing to mention for sure, live action is so different to animation. Some lines of dialogue said in animation would come off as super weird in a live action sense.
@@uncleirohsteashop and you can do some wierd slapstick in animation without anyone batting an eye, but do the same in live action and it changes your show into a spoof rather than a serious story.
Where are you finding these character shorts? I'd like to watch them myself, but i can't seem to find them on UA-cam.
Their on the official avatar twitter/x account
It's on Twitter not UA-cam unfortunately
I really don’t think the sexiest side of Sokka was the most important part of his character development either. They’ll probably throw the line he says in the beginning to get Katara mad. And he’ll probably say something to Suki and the warriors. That was never that big of a trait for Sokka.
I agree
Appreciate your calm perspective. I think the quote has been taken out of context. I'll wait and see.
I think it's also important to keep in mind that the sexism that Sokka was portraying was more prevalent when atla first came out compared to today.
That's a different way to look at it for sure
I'm of the team "I want to buy a full box of chill pills and give it to everyone in the fandom". Like, really. Chill.
It was a throaway comment from one of the actors, not something the writers themselves delved deeply into, certainly not something the writers "bragged" about (as I've seen some people say). And again, the article talks about it in the idea of "making things more grounded" with the characters and their storylines, and "toning down" Sokka's sexism, not erasing it. Obviously Sokka's sexism in the cartoon needs to be toned down in a live action: Sokka's snarky remarks are used as COMIC relief, through ridicule and/or just gags embellished by "womp womp" like music etc. Of course it also serves a purpose, but "toning it down" might just mean keeping the idea that it serves the purpose, without turning LA!Sokka into an incel by making him have the same remarks than in the cartoon. In the cartoon, it works because it's a cartoon. It relies on music, drawing, effects to be comical, things a live adaptation doesn't have.
Let's wait and see, it's chill, and maybe Sokka not being sexist but just purely prideful towards Suki (yknow, "Macho man" type of thing) can actually be interesting enough to explore as well. Like, idk what's so precious to "fans" about Sokka dismissing his sister as a maid on ep1. 🤷♀
What a brilliant channel I just stumbled upon! Sometimes, very rarely, UA-cam's algorithm works wonders. On the topic of the video, I am 100% with you on keeping an open mind when approaching a new piece of media, especially when it's an adaptation, even more so when it's such a highly anticipated one that's already been put under the microscope. Nevertheless, I am a little concerned that watering down Sokka's sexism may take away from his character development, in the sense that if we don't see him being _as_ sexist as he was in the first few episodes of the show, then him being respectful and learning from a girl may not be as worth it. It's far from being a deal breaker for me, it's just something I'll keep an eye out for while watching. Similarly to how I'm curious to see how they're going to handle Zuko's backstory. I'm excited to see all the Fire Nation bits, but I also think that Zuko needs to appear as a villain first in order for his redemption later to have an impact, and there's a chance they're going to go with the anti-hero route from the beginning if they show too much of his past from the get-go. But once again, not a deal breaker in any way, just something I'll notice while watching.
I just I just hope they kept his goofiness in there
The actor did say that he wanted his depiction have humor so clearly he does want that to be there
@@uncleirohsteashop I don't think they should've toned down they way he spoke as he was humbled by them warriors and basically asked forgiveness simply by asking to be trained by them. He even dressed as they did and face paint...lol
@@GEE7EV the face paint stuff hasn't been shown yet and also who's to say he doesn't get humbled? Pretty sure he does since a photo confirmed it already.
@@uncleirohsteashop My point is that they do not have to tone down his remarks...I definitely hope they keep Sokka true to his character from the animatiion. He's one of my favorites.
@@GEE7EV they are just a few remarks it's not the end of the world lets just see what they do
I mean, the original was a cartoon; it’s a lot easier to portray characters as over the top or in a more stereotypical way in an animated medium. This version is going to be live action, obviously, and I suppose it will be ever more slightly “grounded” than the original. This change doesn’t seem like to big of a deal to me.
Where are these short videos being posted? I can’t find them anywhere.
Twitter is the best place to get it
Where can I watch these reveal trailers
They all get posted online with their socials I recommend Twitter for the best quality since it's not in short form
The official avatar twitter/x
To be honest, most of the sexist remarks have little impact on the story than winding up his sister, which can be done in otherways. the only part of it that is relivent is the Kyoshi Island stuff, which is handled very well in episode anyway with him learning from it. so if they cut the other stuff but kept the Flavour of Kyoshi island stuff then i cant see toning down the sexism as a problem, its not like his character is the meat and sexism guy.
I don't think Sokka was ever known to be the overtly sexist guy like he had some moments of just being an idiot more than anything because that's what he is. He's a complete idiot in the original. Dude is arrogant towards lots of people and also arrogant towards bending.
It is possible that they removed the whole northern air temple episode, they might just refer to it. But I am thinking that they might just change WHEN it happens. Instead of having it right at the end, they could put it just before the Omashu trip, then they lead the mechanist and his refugees to Omashu as a place for them to escape to. The shot in the trailer looks like them maybe arriving in Omashu
It's possible they removed the air temple itself but not its story. Budget wise that episode would be MASSIVE!! Especially with VFX.
@@uncleirohsteashop True, but they could also just reuse set pieces and vfx assets and just re-arrange them for the northern, because we know we will be seeing the southern air temple, you and other's thinking they have them meet them in omashu is very possible for budget and time reasons, but just going by the trailer to me isn't enough to say we wont see the northern air temple. And I just hope they DONT take it out of the northern air temple, part of Aang's story arc and growth came from them being in the northern air temple and him feeling like they were desecrating it. I guess they could always meet up in omashu and just talk about what they did there and still have the same conflict with Aang about it.... just from talking about it and not seeing it.
Anyone who remembers the episodes would know that sokka's sexism was toned up so much for almost comedic effect, to the point of just being childish. Theres no way they can translate that level to live action without it coming off painfully forced
Also true AND knowing how people are today with grift culture you just don't people would've gotten mad at that as well without knowing that it was in the original as well
Honestly, people can sometimes be so weird. The show has not even come out and they are already passing judgement.
Toning down sexism does not mean removing it. He was sexist initially but no one wants to be introduced to one of the main character with extreme misogyny. In anime, it comes across, a little goofy (coz of how extreme their expression are) but in live action it would come across very poorly. Not to mention, his misogyny last like 5 eps!! After meeting Kiyoshi warrior, he almost had an instant change in his attitude which won't show well in the setting of live action. It would be more understandable if he makes sexist comment here and there and later learns his lesson from the Kiyoshi warrior and starts changing his attitude!
It kind of baffles me nowadays where you see people complain about a character being unlikable or an asshole in a tv show or film and that character usually is not liked. For some reason though, when it comes down to this example everyone is totally ok with being that way. To be clear, I am not saying Sokka shouldn't be a dick because he has those tendencies to him that make him arrogant. It just fascinates me how people flip flop on this notion of what makes a character unlikeable and then when to pick and chose when it's ok to not like them.
@@uncleirohsteashop Totally agree with you. And people always forget that when adapting from book or anime, something' s can't be shown. Like the exaggerated expression, body movements and even character flaws. Because some of the dialogues said in anime, which might sound funny, or hilarious, might come across as weird and out of place.
@@alesonu very true
where can i see these clips
On the official avatar twitter/x
Online on social media go to Twitter its the best place
it feels like its done for the wrong reasons, thats whats annoying
What wrong reasons?
@@uncleirohsteashopI think he's saying they want to remove that part of the arc as to not offend people. And not for the sake of making Sokkas arc better. If it ain't broke don't fix it I always say.
@@sandokanmalaysia1864 We won't know until we see what they actually do with Sokka's arc, so people getting ahead of themselves don't help. It's really tiring, this overrall negative mood over everything coming out now. If those who don't believe in the live action just don't want to watch it, fine by me, just move along. But premature negativity just affects everyone, even the ones who WANT to be excited.
@@sandokanmalaysia1864 lol well I've got news for you I think those scenes were going to offend some regardless if it wasn't in the show or if it was. We are currently seeing that play out right now with the stir that these comments have gotten into people. If it was in the show I think you would be seeing a lot of people crying out about it "making men look weak" or any of that other crap.
Yeah I don't really remember seeing him as sexist. More so as a metaphor for opening your eyes and seeing the value of everything and everyone. But hey some people are stuck on the negatives.
I love this very good point to say
I think Sokkas remarks about women were not bad at all and showed his humorous side, but am not surprised given the landscape. That being said, I desperately hope they do not shove any agendas into the show including about women that weren't already there to begin with. The og show lightly used some of these themes, but it wasn''t forced and the females in the show were awesome inherently, not because of their sex.
I don't think his remarks were ever said out of humor lol I think he really meant that stuff so I disagree
@@uncleirohsteashop You can still mean something you're saying to be funny. We know Sokka isn't actually sexist past the first few episodes.
Where can we watch these new scenes??
Twitter is the best place
Let's wait to see if they removed scenes entirely or just toned down certain dialogue. Still excited
Hmm. The only thing I'm a bit iffy on is... so far, it looks like all the bending is about "shooting" or "launching" rather than unique movements.
Firebenders: launch fire at enemy.
Waterbender: Launch water at enemy.
Airbender: Launch air at enemy.
Earthbender: Launch rocks at enemy.
I mean I get that's a PART of it. But I'm not used to seeing Katara and Aang shoot their elements. Bumi I get, it's the primary form of attacking with rocks. And he did lift a dirt tower in order to do it, but I recall more unique ways of bending like adjusting the terrain and and trapping the enemy or redirecting them or yourself, using water as a whip, making flames a lethal extension of an actual punch or kick.
I mean Aang in the most recent trailer literally uses air to help him with more non attacking based moves. Same with Katara as she's fighting Zuko.
@@uncleirohsteashop doesn’t detract from what I’m saying if you actually watch all the trailers and spots. Majority of the offensive moves are the same.
@@Axxidous I mean those are just a few scenes we've barely scratched the service of what the action is going to look like
Lol the whole sexist stuff is so dumb.
Sokka is about strength and weakness.
Sokka in the beginning saw strength as male and female. Because his southern water tribe is so small, and most men went for war and woman and children were left to protect the base. Hence he felt strong being the only male left behind
But as sokka travels with benders and learn that strength is not just male and female. He realised he was the weakest member in terms of power and not the warrior he thought he was. He was weak. But thats where he found a sword master and learnt that strength is not all about power as well.
Sokka in general is such a growing character and a very important character. He isnt just about strength and weakness but his dynamic as a leader in the group how he links strength to not just things he can analyze and quantify. Its his humour his leadership his quick thinking and his strong mindset that makes him strong. Sexist sokka is THE LEAST of a true avatar fan concern.
I love this thank you! There's so much more to his character then all of this stuff.
WHERE ARE THE CLIPS FROM
On Twitter
Lets also not forget that their tribe has clear gender roles. The men left to fight, the women were the healers. Lets also not forget Katara's training and why the master wouldnt teach her. Toning it down is fine, but in some cases, like the ones mention before, they dont need to be that toned down. Imo
I can understand to some degree what you mean
Where are these reveal clips released?
On they're official twitter/x account
Best place to find them is on Twitter from the main Netflix avatar account
@@uncleirohsteashop thanks!
@@lovelylife3012 thanks!
Although I am looking for the Netflix last Airbender avatar series. We have to keep in mind that the Animated series was lightning in a bottle. They made magic with that animated series. I sincerely doubt they can re-create the same type of magic in a live Netflix series. Sokka being a little bit of male chauvinist is a part of his journey. Although never a great attribute to have. Yet Sokka grows in wisdom and insight. As well as his abilities as a leader and a strategist. Not to say that they could not give sokka other personality traits in the show. That developed him into a young man and a leader. But with that change,, will they now make Sokka a Simp? That is a popular thing to do with male characters these days and entertainment. Which makes me wonder,, if they change sokka,, do they change the extreme racism that exist within the show as well? Many of the characters in the show,, are racist towards the fire nation. The fire nation is extremely racist against everyone. How do they take that element out of the show? But as you can see,, they are already tearing apart the characters from the animated series. To fit today’s social political issues. Which has been happening quite frequently in modern entertainment. writers tend to keep doing this every movie and TV show we watch these days. so I don’t have much faith in this new live action avatar. But I will keep my fingers crossed. If it doesn’t start acting right early, though,, I will just stop watching the series. Just like I stop watching marvel movies.
I don't really agree with anything you said here but I guess that's your opinion
I agree with about 90% of what you said. There is no denying that this is happening more and more in the entertainment industry...
@@eireenelily2302 it really isn't
Here's the thing. Everyone so badly wants this adaptation to be good. So any change that they make, people want them to justify why they've made that decision. If it's because of timing, budget, flow of the story, cutting other elements because they want to flesh out a scene that was only hinted at in the cartoon, that's all fine and well. The only thing is the decision can't seem like "we want to make this decision because it's 2024 and look at how progressive we are". That's not a good reason to change things.
Unfortunately that's probably why they made the change.
Not sure how showcasing or not showcasing sexism is anything indicative of a political allegiance as opposed to just being about human decency
@@uncleirohsteashop It's not about showcasing or not showcasing sexism that indicates political allegiance. It's the reasoning used for not showing it that determines your political allegiance. When you say it's "just about human decency", that type of statement tips your hand about your own political allegiances and about how you view people opposite you on the political spectrum.
As for Sokka, I don't really care about the lack of his sexist side. But I can see it being a bit of a downgrade. Because the whole point if it being there isn't to support or promote it, but to have him be the example of what NOT to be like, and also the example of how to admit you're wrong and actually change. It was a big part of what made Sokka and Suki develop any kind of relationship at all.
It kinda seems like maybe they removed it because of "modern times" or something, completely missing the point. But we could all be wrong. lol
I think people gotta remove the whole modern times thing like again I just don't really care he can still learn growth through other ways people were going to get mad no matter what they did or do
My thoughts are that Netflix probably wanted to tone down the idea that indigenous groups are misogynistic. I don't really think it's even about Sokka but moreso the mindset of the culture, I don't think they want to present indigenous people that way. Just my opinion
I mean maybe that could be something they do but who knows
Man im so of seeing these videos of people bitching about it. Im sorry but Sokka's sexism was the weakest writing of all the characters. Like theres other ways to show us that Sokka was a prideful, arrogant warrior who need humbling
Maybe he’s building it so he or the Fire nation can get to the Northern Air Temple instead
Hmm interesting theory... I like it!
@@uncleirohsteashop Because you kind of wonder how did the Mechanist and the other refugees get up to the Northern Air Temple in the first place
@@animeg1452 also true but hey maybe they just walked lol
6:42-6:55 FACTS lmao
Why do i have a feeling that this is showrunners idea to drop the reveal about that sokka controversy so that they could test the water on audience reaction? they probably already filmed scenes of Sokka being misogynist and since it's not out yet they probably put it back on the final cut.
Lmao I highly highly doubt that