Netflix's Avatar: The Last Airbender Live Action Worries Me
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2024
- In this video I discuss the production details and news of Netflix's Avatar the Last Airbender live action series set to come out this February 2024. I discuss the departure of Avatar creators Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino, the controversial casting of Ian Ousley, the critiques about the costuming, and lastly, the worrying trend of remaking media in order to 'fix' the original's problems (i.e. Sokka being sexist).
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the sexist thing pisses me off so much, out of all the sexist characters in netflix shows you take Sokka out??? Thats the only character thats being criticized for being sexist and his behavior is portrayed as a bad thing, which he also comes to relalize!!! Feels more like they didn't want to have a male character learning to change about his beliefs and become a feminist
And Sokka was such a good vehicle for that type of sexism and how to dismantle it.
It's literally one episode and is a small part of his overall character arc.
@@Auron1Roxas2 Right
It's literally the reason Katara breaks the ice ball Aang is in but...I'm worried.
@@melbell7714 Katara breaks the ice because they're fighting. Siblings can literally fight over anything there is zero reasons to be worried.
The removal of Sokkas character flaws reminds me of the term the "disneyfication of media" how characters can't be "flawed" or even evil, they have to be "misunderstood".
Not saying that they won't do that, but we also don't know that they _will_ remove Sokka's flaws. It's not like his early sexism is the only way in which Sokka is flawed.
They did not removed it.. but toned down
Alita was a prime example or this. In the manga, her past self was an agent for a neo-fascist terrorist organisation. In the movie she's a liberator.
Sokka’s “sexism” was only for 3 episodes and even then it was very short.
It is crazy how showing flaws in characters can be seen as bad in media.
I hate live action remakes of animated movies and shows. They just show how little respect the art of animation has.
I don't think ALL live action adaptations are bad but almost all of the ones I remember were very much bad. Not everything needs to be adapted or rebooted into live action. Animation is wonderful and a lot of animated series and movies are incredible and artistic, but too many people look down on them simply for being animation.
Id say animation is more popular now than at any point in history. There are major adult animated shows like scavengers reign on HBO. I think especially adults are more open to animated shows than ever before.
It's also ironic that those live action remake are only possible because of CGI animation where some scenes are 90%+ CGI. If you watched a marvel movie it could be argued you watched an animated film.
There are very few that are good like Speed Racer. One of the best live action. Just Speed is heroic when he is actually a savage
I was hoping that the success of the One Piece live action remake would serve as an example of how to do it right, but sadly it appears it was just a one off
Hey Cheyenne, my understanding of the issue with Ian Ousley from Native mutuals and my own experience being from a non-federally recognized tribe isn't the federal recognition, it's that none of the 7 Cherokee tribes recognizes the tribe Ian is from. Even though the main federally recognized band from my tribe doesn't recognize my band, there are others of the 14 bands that do. For all 7 of the existing Cherokee tribes not to recognize the one Ian is from is what makes it suspicious. Again, this is just my understanding from speaking with Native mutuals and my own experience.
appreciate this heads up, ty for taking the time to share
this is super insightful thanks for sharing!!
how can they not recognize a tribe? idk how these things work but like, does it just not exist??? wtf lol
@@highdefinition450 Think of the tribes as seven relatives who know their family tree front, back, side to side, and in three different languages, and then some rando they’ve never heard of with no connections to be found shows up and says “I’m one of you, by the way I’m going to use your familial connections to get this job over someone else who actually fits the bill.”
There are not 7 bands of the Cherokee tribe there are 3. I am Cherokee and in the process of locating my ancestors on the Dawes roll so I can finally register properly. Which means having to research this subject extensively. It is much too complicated to be condensed into a Twitter thread. People who are not Native have no place speaking on this spreading misinformation. This actor has been STALKED by people, his extended family harassed by randos on the internet obsessed with his racial background. How in the world is this not racism. This is sick. If you want to educate yourself about us do it using legitimate websites with credible sourced, not a Twitter post.
And yes he is not registered with one of the 3 federally recognized tribes. This doesn't mean he lied about his racial identity. He is mixed race with Native ancestry. The Dawes roll was created in the freaking 1800s. How people expect it to be accurate is beyond me. Try finding records of your family members from over a century ago and tell me how easy it is. There is a reason why MOST Native people are not registered.
I don't really think they made Azula a "mad woman", I think they pretty correctly showed what happens when you shake someone's core belief structure to it's very core.
Azula had been raised to belief that might made right, fear was the best way to control people, and that she was uniquely powerful. You actually see her start to unravel when Mai and Tylee turn against her. She had internalized being a monster ("my own mother thought I was a monster. She was right of course, but it still hurt"), and she could not imagine a world where anyone could be trusted if her closest subordinates would betray her. She held it together well enough until her only remaining source of validation refused to take her with him for the domination of the Earth Kingdom.
At the end of her fight with Zuko you really see all that lashing out was just due to fear and sadness. She didn't go mad, she just suffered the results of her father's abuse.
not only her father's abuse, but her mother's as well. Her mother, to me, was more of an influence on the way she behaived in the show, and , even with the small amount of detail and backstory involving zuko and azula's mother, it still painted an incredibly deep picture of familial pressure on children and the resentment a lot of parents can have towards their children in a sort of jealous kind of way, as if the child's existence is a genuine source of anguish and self-hatred for their parents. It is done so well in the animated series like most other things were. It really packed SO much lore and real world problems into this nearly perfect tapestry of peak human artistic expression, i don't think a live action can ever live up to it, so they should have used stories from the comics/graphic novels that are literally just as intriguing and simply magnificent as the animated series was and still is.
I agree. Azula losing it at the end was due to her discovering that her ideology and thoughts her father raised her to have wasn’t right. It’s a testament to the difference between Ozai and Iroh’s characters.
This is so true. You wrote that beautifully as well, I read it twice!
I think the bigger issue is that we tend to call any woman who shows signs of sadness or anger a "mad woman", not that they showed a woman who shows angry emotions, which were understandable given the context, in a show. I think the whole "OMG they just turned Azula into a madwoman in the end!" criticism says a lot more about the person who made that criticism than it does about the creators of the show.
Completely agree. A big part of Sokka’s identity is his drive to be a warrior. He’s been taught all his life it’s his duty to fight and protect his tribe, and it’s a huge burden for a sixteen year-old to take on. His father and the rest of the men have left to fight in war, and he’s the only man whose of age left to defend the tribe. It’s a huge responsibility, and at the start of the series he’s not a great fighter. But he’s brave. He stands in front of the Fire Nation ship on his own, staring down certain death, because he believes that’s his duty and he’s the only one who should be putting himself in the line of fire. If Sokka already believes woman are capable fighters, then he wouldn’t feel as if it’s only his burden to bear, and he wouldn’t be able to undergo such an great arc in the later episodes. We see him humble himself to the Kyoshi warriors. He learns that being a warrior isn’t just able being able to swing a sword, or even about being brave, but it’s about humility. Being open to change, asking for guidance and always being ready to learn. His world view changes and he becomes a better person for it. He comes to respect Suki, not just as a woman or as a person, but as a warrior in equal merit. And if Sokka didn’t learn how valuable humility is, I doubt Piando would have agreed to train Sokka later the series. Since it was Sokka’s admittance that he wasn’t a great warrior, and his lack of entitlement which make Piando want to teach Sokka. And after Yue, we see Sokka grapple even further with this notion that it’s his job to protect everyone, and if he doesn’t save everyone he’s failed. Which is something he needs to learn to let go of. More character development! And I think Sokka being a man who was brought up in a patriarchal society is central to a lot of his themes. Additionally, Katara standing up to her brother and Pakku, and proving that being a woman doesn’t make her any less capable wouldn’t hit as hard as if this wasn’t already an established cultural norm she was calling into question. In fact the Fire Nation is the only army which allows woman into their ranks, so it’s a norm which exists outside of the Water Tribe too. I also think animation is the best media for the story of ATLA, but the teasers and trailers do seem promising…
I don't think they're being stylish with the bending enough so far. The fire should swirl unnaturally, the wind whips in vectors not possible with current technology, the water seems alive and earth appears oddly geometric. The cgi looks way too realistic imo.
Sokka is the worst character. No one gives a damn about him.
@@styles9956 I do. So that’s one.
@@styles9956Sokka is a fan favorite character. Jack Desena received endless praise for his portrayal of the character. What are you smoking???
@@armandvega2752
Must be some top shelf boof
My big gripe with the show is that this is a setting and concept that inherently promises a limitless history of heroes who each have to undertake their own journey to learn and master their bending abilities, but we're getting told the same Avatar's story for the third time.
Which is why I’m more excited about Avatar Studio’s projects. Kyoshi’s novel and that LoK episode about the 1st Avatar were interesting. Any new story is better than retelling a great series that we can all just rewatch.
They are expanding upon the story.
you jus gotta see as what it is, its not even out yet we gotta see if its good or ass first
because Aang is the best story, Korra was absolute dog shit lmfao, and if they made a new Avatar it would be a transgender african alien non-binary dragon-kin avatar
@@glockmaster9516the fact that people are so triggered by representation is really weird. We can't focus on straight white cis men forever just because you don't mind it lol
I'm glad you mentioned being especially kind to child actors, no matter how the new series turns out:)
nah they deserve fault as well, if the acting is bad why sugar coat it ?
@@youngfrozone2299 because you will traumatize the kids and ruin their childhoods lmao (look up Jake Lloyd from Star Wars). Again, like Cheyenne said, they have no control over the direction of the show.
@@youngfrozone2299because they’re kids
Have a heart ❤
Tell that to Noah Ringer who's been getting roasted since 2010 for the "my name is ong"
And not just to the child actors. Be kind in general. We don't know these people personally and nobody has any valid reason to send negativity their way because of a tv show.
Avatar is so special because it doesn't give any craps about the type of stuff people obsessed with the culture war whine about today. Katara was such a compelling character that had a great arc because she was discriminated against and fought patriachical societies head on, Sokka had to get beatdown by women to the point he had to crossdress in order to be put in their shoes, and Toph came out the gate as the most powerful hero in the show at that point and her first scene was kicking the butt of that universe's equivelant to a WWE superstar. Things that would be considered woke today. Hell, it was arguably catching small degrees of flack for doing what it did back in the day. Forums and online discussions were full of Katara hatred going on and on about how she was too annoying. But the way it is made it age so well (look at that scene where Aang gets reprimanded for pointing out how the Fire Nation textbooks lied about the genocide of his people) and trying to water it down is just mind-boggling. We arguably need the political meat of a show like ATLA now more than ever.
I can't begin to imagine how much worse the negative backlash against Katara would be if ATLA were released today. I shudder to even think it.
@@chrisheimva4857 Some people these days can't even handle Glimmer from She-Ra.
@@chrisheimva4857 oh god… you know for sure if atla the animated series was made today people would be calling it WOKE TRASH
Sokka's original storyline WAS the fix he needed. He grew up without any male role models in a village full of women (I can't even remember any male Southern Tribe Members other than Sokka in the first episode). He picked up a very single minded and potentially toxic idea of how and what a man should be and acted on it. How should he not? Given that every other man in the tribe who could have given positive examples was absent for the most time. And he only got to be a badass AFTER he changed his viewpoints, especially after meeting characters like Piandao, who were basically all possible future versions of him.
They said tone down. Not eradicated. Be patient and stop crying
@@whitedjango4238 doesnt need to be toned down tho, its fine how it is
@@whitedjango4238gurl the whole point of youtube is to discuss and yap lmao. If anything you're the one who should be quiet if you have nothing to say other than "stawp typin" without a please
Don't forget Suki embarrassed him. That's the start of everything
Honestly, given that he grew up around all women, you'd think he would at least be less open with his sexism. For survival reasons 😅
Also he would have had to depend on women his entire life. He can still think they're physically weaker and he needs to protect them, but you would think he'd have already been more respectful of them 🤔 Especially because he didn't have models of toxic masculinity, which he would have gotten in the Northern water tribe.
I think on the sexism in other cultures thing, it’s fair to note that although it isn’t blatant in the earth kingdom, we don’t really see any other female earth benders aside from Toph.
And the Kyoshi warriors were pretty far removed from the rest of the earth kingdom.
based off the books they were prity sexist. not as outright sexist as the water nation but not as open as the fire nation. they were kinda in the middle
I think it was pretty obvious that the air nation was the only nation that didn't seem to have sexist attitudes. I mean the fire nation is sexist, Zuko's mom's story arc makes that pretty obvious. The northern water tribe wasn't as sexist as the Southern tribe bc women definitely fought too, Sokka became that way because of the pressure he felt to protect the tribe after all able bodied adults left his village for the war. He doesn't even remember his mother so he definitely has no memory of the women who fought and were killed in his village, and he grew up thinking he has to protect and provide as a man bc theyre under constant attack. It's a result of facing genocide. All this nuance is going to be kicked right out of the window
This show doesn't need a live action adaptation at all imo. The original series is good enough as is and we can always revisit it. Not every property needs a new adaptation or reboot.
Some do to make money or there are flaws in the original work that could be revisited and improved upon.
I agree but with the caveat that we absolutely need(ed) a time skip live action show or movie kinda like a Korra vibe. Modernized bending and tech.. and then you go back and explore a random Avatar's past life to juxtapose it. No MCU interconnected bs. Just iterations of the "first and last Avatars" maybe even see what bending in space could be like in a far future a la Star Wars.
@@nailinthefashion unfortunately that’s the reason why a lot of fans didn’t like LoK. They didn’t like the technology and modern twist to it. Personally I found Korra asking the question “how to be an Avatar in a world that doesn’t need/want them” really interesting.
Cry
@@josephhitumbulwa I find these comments so funny because like why would anyone cry it's really not that deep lmao.
Hey great video, but a little reminder: I wrote a scientific paper of social work and the government acts in the context of indigenous tribes and their people in the US. Long story short. The reason, why many tribes are not on a Government funding list is, because the government forces different and different tribes to move into a reservation even though they want nothing to do with each other. If tribes resist this, they will be excluded from government support. But there are also other reasons, such as saving tax money, etc. This is a very complex problem. Many tribes want to be independent, but the state forces them to comply with these requirements in order to receive these funding. It is also possible that certain people are not listed on such lists; this can also have various social or other reasons. Sorry for my bad English, but it's not my native language.
He's part of a fake tribe though. Its posted online and its apart of a list of other fake tribes
@@itsnatemate7697 source?
I've only seen a handful of tweets about the LA but the ones I saw were "we gotta appeal to game of thrones people" "no more sexism for sokka" and "less girly shit for katara." Why even adapt the story if you're gonna change it??? Like I know the answer's money but come on, man.
Jamie Lannister tried to straight up murder a child in the first episode of GoT yet ended up as one on the most loved characters with an (almost) perfect redemption arc - yet the writers of this live-action ATLA flinch at the notion of Sokka overcoming a few sexist traits? If they don't think they can even match the writing of D&D then the outlook is not looking good at all. I can't imagine what kind of a wuss they'll turn Jet into...
The fact the original writers quit working on the live-action is saying enough for me.
NETFLIX:*SEXISM IS OFFENSIVE*
NETFLIX: * GENOCIDE FINE*
Ikr?! It’s such bullshit
@@emeerdanvers8090 Sure seeing men women and children die is quote "a bit iffy" but sexism is iffier.
The Azula thing is a bad take. It’s literally the whole point of her and zuko‘s character arc - hell it’s also the point of Aang’s arc too! - that power does not make you a better or more complete person. Azula is literally the show‘s example of what happens to you if you keep choosing power over your own well being. She‘s not made a „mad woman“ so the writers could balance out her power. She literally loses her mind BECAUSE of her endless pursuit of power; anyone would. We see it in the Beach - all she knows is battle strategies and martial arts; she can’t make friends or find love. Considering she‘s 14 years old, she’s a pretty damn tragic character
Yo the whole reason of katara breaking the ice burg was because of sokkas sexism!! HOW TF IS KATARA GONNA BREAK THE ICE BRO
The answer they went with: It was an accident LUL
Im also surprised at how there are little to no Indians in the original show and this adaptation considering so many concepts of the show (and the whole concept of an avatar) comes from Hinduism and India. Even in the show, one of the only Indian characters had a stereotypical Indian accent and yet the other characters based on other cultures had a typical American accent.
Thank you for mentioning the Sokka’s actor because so many publications and other channels are not speaking about it. As an Indigenous person I can say people within the communities have been speaking out for a while.
Haven't finished the vid yet, but colorism isn't identical to whitewashing. The actress for Katara is undoubtedly of a background that would suit the cast, but her skin is also very visibly lighter than animated Katara. While not the same ethnicity, many brown kids were entranced by seeing someone (regardless of race) with darker skin on screen. And it was entirely possible to cast someone who matched that in live action.
Sokkas case is more of a whitewashing issue.
Its just another big reason I will always perfer the animated version, and I am very much not looking forward to the live action. I feel it's largely a cash grab riding on the ATLA trend that flared up in 2020 upon its initial Netflix release. But the average viewer's 'obsession' with the series nowhere matches what it was during that initial wave. Only fans of the original remain, and they were skeptical from the word go.
THIS! Colorism is something I haven’t really heard people mentioning but it immediately stuck out to me when I saw the trailer.
And how many shows are out there now where it's also the other way around lol
as someone who is dark skinned, stop getting mad purely over skin tone. Yes I would love to see darker skin tones in media, but we should still give representation to native americans, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER ARE BASED ON INUITS. I'm so confused on how you can complain about lack of representation when native americans are probably the least represented group in media
the orginal commenter is nowhere saying their upset about Inuit people being casted, their saying thatit should be a DARK SKINNED Inuit person. the dark skinned Inuit ppl needed that representation as well as dark skinned ppl for different ethinic backgrounds. not a crazy concept !@@selvaa1592
FAX !!
Maybe someday we'll get a katara that actually has her skin color 😢
Such a Crybaby !
@@jaelm7097 No, it's perfgectly reasonable to want representation. Lighter and fairer skinned actors provide that representation for folks who are of their similar complextion... why wouldn't the same be true for those of us with darker skin. Have several seats.
I just wish she actually looked anything like katara. Same with Zuko. Anng and Sokka actors look great, the others, meh.
@@charismatic9467katara actress problem is her face is chubby. Maybe she was the better actress
@@charismatic9467 Sokka looks nothing like the animation ver
Man, we could've had a doctor who-esque kung fu cartoon with a new protag every few years, but this remake curse just happened to get hold of this show after only having 2 incarnations (not counting previous ones mentioned in lore like Kyoshi or Wan). We could've even gone the prequel route after Korra, having a Kyoshi dedicated series! Tired of these live actions that are only done cuz producers look down on animation as a whole💀
You do realize that coming a Kyoshi show and a show about the avatar after Korra are coming
Removing Sokka's flaws and Zuko's flaws? That means they have less character development, the thing that makes them so beloved!
I’m afraid that the Sokka related changes might be a plan to make him more likeable (to make ppl forget about whitewashing) they showed him most in the trailer, he’s the most active on interviews, that worries me
Fucking cry about it
for me, the only live action remake of an animated property that has ever made sense was the recent One Piece netflix adaptiation, even though im a huuuuge one piece fan and was very sceptical about it before i saw it. what makes it work in my eyes though are a few things:
- the original creator was on board. in fact he said if he ever was going to make something like that, he'd want it to be now and he was excited for the project. and not only was he on board, he was executive producer and if he said something wasnt right, it had to be fixed as much as possible.
- at least for the first season, they worked as often with practical effects as they could possibly manage and the sets they build were amazing. makes the whacky world feel so much realer than it ever could with cgi.
- seemingly like 90% of the people working on this show were already one piece fans?
and the most important thing that just makes SENSE to make a live action series out of this property:
- it speaks to a whole different target audience than the manga or even the anime. most casual consumers of anime/manga arent gonna sit down and start reading a manga that already has over 1100 chapters and is not even done yet. i mean, a LOT of people dont even know what manga or anime really are! however, an 8-episode season of a hit netflix show? so much more aproachable and .... "consumable". it just makes sense.
it does NOT make sense to remake a property again for the same target audience looking for the same thing that the original gave them. the original avatar series is on netflix! just watch that! i dont see how the remake will give you a better or even just much different experience than just watching that. i mean i hope its gonna be good? but im not super convinced. though i wasnt convinced of the one piece live action at first either, but when i saw the final result? absolutely blown away. maybe atla live action can deliver the same way...??
The fact that Oda straight up said diversity is important and is a pioneer for what an adaptation should be is just so classy
People really wanted Luffy to be white 😭
@@nailinthefashion that wouldve been so fucking dumb, considering oda made a list of countries the straw hats would be from if they lived in our world, and he straight up had luffy as brazilian. now inaki is of course not brazilian but mexican, but he does fit it so well! also i think luffy having a bit of an accent kind of adds to his character you know? i cant explain why but it just. it makes sense? luffy talking in an american like, midwestern accent would just feel wrong lmao
@@jannecapelle_art bro death note STILL jumpscares me randomly and I become the Akira meme, "ah! Leave me alone!"
Luffy represents underdogs so it's natural that he probably wouldn't be white, but there would be white people present and especially in positions of power. Season 1 of the live action set all of that up without injecting all that into the dialogue so I feel like season 2 is gonna be even better somehow. Usopp is my favourite casting though, his nose and eyes are so perfect, he's like the drawings come to life
you also forgot the cast and crew were all huge one piece fan. hell the director and nami's actor was straight up loreheads they were way past just fans. they would never disgrace the thing they were working on as it was a passion project for them
but then you go over and look at something like the witcher and you see a huge problem. the director and writers didnt even like the book. why the fuck are they doing an adaption. they dont even like the dame thing.
I’m not a millennial but I watched the show on tv when it was first running, it really shaped a lot of my childhood and I’ll always treasure the series so so deeply because of that specific nostalgic perspective. I’m being cautiously optimistic about the remake but I know either way it won’t hit everything that I hope for I’m just along for the ride
To be fair, Bryke is overhyped. Don’t forget about what happened in TLOK when they started working with different people. ATLA was lightning in a bottle. That being said, I’m excited to see their vision through Avatar studious
Very good point. I do like dragon prince (which is by atla head writer aaron ehaz) but it does seem the secret sauce for atla was the combination of bryke, ehaz and the other creatives all together- like you said lightning in a bottles
I do still really like LOK S1, but that and in part S2 REALLY exposed that Bryke are not the strongest writers. Not incompetent by any stretch, but plenty of the flaws that were subtly there in ATLA became MUCH more prominent in LOK.
And then there is Ruins of the Empire...ugh
Having Nickelodeon pull the rug under their feet every season did not help either.
this. I feel that people forget that bryke literally gave their approval for the M.Night Shyamalan movie😅, so does their approval/creative direction really mean much for a show? In my opinion, no not really.
LoK S3 was better than any season. The animation was also was also a huge improvement over ATLA. People hated on Korea unfairly. They were working with screwed up production time, low budget, and changing platforms.
I think if this adaptation is aimed at a more mature audience, it makes sense to approach sexism in a more nuanced way than the original show did. Like yeah it was cool as a ten year old to see Katara call out her brother for being sexist, but the misogynists I interact with as an adult don't usually say things like "girls can't fight, they should stick to sewing."
What do they say/do instead?
no no no i think your confused here. their toning it down not up.
they talked about making a show more adult then preceads to take away an adult topic that is a huge part of sokkas development.
I agree the sexism was cartoonish, which makes since I mean, it was a cartoon. But this is live action and is geared towards the age of the original fans of the show. Besides the live action is said to be more of a remix than an exact one to one copy.
Yeah that’s true. Sexist comments would be far more backhanded. Like instead of blatantly pointing out a girl can’t do it, they would just say, “you’re not that good at that kind of stuff.”
Instead of demeaning the sex, they would demean the individual, disguising the sexist remark.
This live action is not geared towards the age of the original fans. If it was they would’ve aged them up and tell new stories from the comics. (In my opinion)
Give Jet and Hama their justice is all I’m hoping for
yes, burn the fire nation to the ground! If there are no children to become fire benders then there will be no war!
Hama is goals.
Honestly im kinda scared of Toph, a lot of blind jokes that they could deemed as "abelist" idk... im just worried
@@adaninurs worst part is shes the one making them and it would still probably be deemed abelist
I mean why are they making a show about the same character AGAIN?? Like we already know about ang, LETS MOVE IT ALONG NOW GUYS. there’s a seemingly endless amount of characters we could be exploring here 😭😭😭🤦🏻♀️
Then don't watch it. Stop saying WE. You are spoiling it for the rest of us who actually wanna see the live action.
Facts tho this person is right. What i truly wanna see is the adult animated series and the new avatar! But lets just see how this goes first hehe 😂
The colourism is literally the only reason why I am not hyped for the show. People get really dismissive whenever it’s brought up.
People forget that the Avatar creators Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino also worked on the Last Airbender movie's outline and were executive producers of the movie. Even with them on board the movie turned out to be complete trash. Here's a video of the creators talking with Shymalan about cutting things out of the movie outlines: ua-cam.com/video/Ft5dklmEn-M/v-deo.html&ab_channel=101musichero
Their input was mostly dismissed. I remember reading about their disappointment about how the production went. It’s not surprising though. Even Nickelodeon pushed them around after the success of ATLA. They werw no match for a huge blockbuster movie and Shyamalan at the height of his popularity.
The show is still not out, and I have already been disappointed by the black eye they gave zuko instead of his scar 😂, the worst part is that im sure they did it for esthetic reasons, just to make zuko more visually appealing.
I’m surprised way more people aren’t talking about that horrible “scar” 😭
It’s Ready Player One all over again 😂 Give him a real burn mark!
@Likelyfairy I know! It's so important for his character, he's new "scar" can be solved with makeup 😅
One thing I want to mention about the costumes being so colourful in comparison to the other version is that when you look at the cultures that they're based on (and yes ik that they're a mash up), the traditional garb is as colourful and i'm fine with that
If the new showrunners think the biggest issue with the film adaptation was that it was whitewashed, that is a very, very bad sign. 😢
You said it perfectly, “we will never get over how good Avatar is”
10:42 it sounds like they are trying to make the costumes like the animated ATLA show and the world like GoT(they mentioned pulling from got)… and I hate it
I grew up in Labrador as a kid and the innu and Inuit people living there are honestly lighter than Katara’s actress. I’m glad that they didn’t give her blue eyes even if she’s a shade lighter. Im also very glad they made Katara darker than Sokka since usually women are always cast to be lighter than men. I think it came down to not wanting to cast an unknown actress, and she had to, sadly, be generically attractive. I saw no one talking about this movie but this Inuit Canadian movie called Slashback focused on Inuit girls in a fantasy ish setting and was super interesting (if very low budget), I watched it on an air canada flight haha: ua-cam.com/video/G2WCSz_hyHM/v-deo.htmlsi=_JFPC6HJQe0Uas0b
So it wouldn’t have been impossible to find two Inuit/innu actors but non Inuit/innu indigenous people are so much more populous than this tiny number of a couple northern canadian/Alaskan groups.
Yep I'm cautious too and I'm already seeing the trend chaser fair weather fans pulling the old "why do you care bro" card out already when I mention why it's a red flag to remove or severely change a major character arc from the trinity of main characters like Sokka. Let's hope this isn't another victim of the Netflix adaptation meme like the witcher or death note.
Let's wait and see. I don't know how they'll play it, but if they remove Sokka's sexism (don't forget that his sexism isn't the major flaw he has to overcome; it's more of a self-importance/arrogance thing, his sexism is just a part of that, but even if they remove that, they could still keep the original arc), that could actually fix two issues at once, if they play it right (aka: if they keep the sexism in the Northern Water Tribe). One: it would actually possibly make _more_ sense canonically, as we never see anyone from the Southern Water Tribe, other than Sokka, display any sexism, and it is canon that Gran Gran specifically left the NWT to get _away_ from sexism. And two: by making only the NWT sexist, it removes the iffy indigenous=sexist connotation.
My greatest fear about the show is, if it turns out badly, people will look more nostalgically on the first movie.
Till this day no one likes that movie 💀 I doubt that’s gonna happen …
The show would have to be _astronomically_ bad for that to happen
the problem with this show is that I have yet to see ANY justification for it to exist beyond just being "live action."
thats not a reason enough for me to be excited. the cartoon already told this story as well as it can be told imo.
As a huge Les Mis fan (a novel for which has been adapted so many times into so many different mediums that there is a separate Wikipedia page listing them, including over _forty_ film adaptations and more than twenty tv series) that doesn't offend me honestly. People will always want to tell and re-tell and remix beloved stories and have always done so since the beginning of stories. As long as they do it well, have good writers, and really respect and understand the spirit of the show (which I'm hopeful about, but it remains to be seen ofc) I don't see a problem with it.
The problem is that right now, every new adaptation of something feels like a corporate cash grab because of the nature of corporations, and because we're all disillusioned by all the Disney live action remakes. But there is nothing inherently wrong with a live action remake per se; it's just that the way Disney has been doing it feels off because for many of them, the writing wasn't great, they didn't have anything meaningful to add, Disney has been making so many of them AND their original content hasn't been great so it's giving off the impression that they just doing it to monetise on people's nostalgia, they're remaking films in live action that were released just a couple of years ago, and it's all done by the same company that released the originals.
Of course, Netflix is doing this to make a profit, but so far, it appears to me they got creators on board who are fans, for whom this is really a passion project, who want to make this as great as it could possibly be. Saying you can't remake the series in a different medium because the cartoon already told the story as well as it can be told is like saying you don't think the Lord of the Rings shouldn't have been adapted on screen because you can't improve on the original book. That's true, but I think many people agree that, despite changing some things, Peter Jackson and his team turned the book into three great films that are not better but just as well-regarded as the book.
@@Casutama im not reading all that. So great for you! or Im so sorry that happened.. depending on what u wrote.
@@starsimvidz tl;dr: People will always want to re-tell and remix beloved stories and have always done so. Everyone's burnt out from Live Action Remakes atm thanks to Disney's corporate greed, but that doesn't make every adaptation bad by default. The "cartoon is already great so why do another version" argument doesn't hold up, otherwise things like the Lord of the Rings films would never have been made either.
I have to say one of the biggest things that bugged me was the cheap costumes, I noticed it straight away
why is katara so light 😢😢🤢🤢🤢
what bothers me the most is how light-skinned they made katara and sokka... the fact that its such a point of confusion and debate makes it clear they are not right for the role imo. if we as the audience need to be researching the actors background to make sure they arent white then its not good enough representation.
The movie def caused some form of PTSD as everyone seems to be worried when it looks good
I never interpreted the water tribe as a whole as especially sexist, just the Northern tribe. Katara is shocked about the customs. Sokkas sexism always felt more isolated to him, to his insecurities and lack of positive male role models in his current, very formative years. To me at least, the depiction of the water tribe was never a problem.
Honestly, a live action feels pointless tbh. And my biggest gripe is that this story isnt really "adaptable". You could do a live action sure but youd likely have to copy on the original and there will always be that the classic is better bias lingering and if said classic is a one of a kind gold standard animation, its realistically not gonna work well. And if you change it, its ALWAYS gonna be not well received as much UNLESS the creator wished to change it so and defends it but nah he left. Also why are they focusing so much in doing a live action when they should be making better more stand alone stories of their own franchise or literally ANY OTHER story. Did they not learn from their first attempt with the movie? The budget spent producing a live action was better off put in perhaps a new project. Perhaps the new earthbending avatar?
Not enough funding? sell some damn merch. its how Evangelion funded their stuff.
Just make a new story/project and not bother with these live action adaptations that realistically cant even cover the entire plot line and would cost too much. Go ahead and try live action adapting One Piece. You know, a VERY LONG shounen series. Go ahead and see how that realistically ends up even if success does sorta come.
Re-writing Sokka's ark seems like a missed opportunity to introduce first-time viewers to ideas of misogyny, patriarchy, and feminism...especially a younger generation who've been influenced by andr*w t*te, alpha/beta nonsense, and red/black pill garbage.
Respectfully, the younger generation has seen these concepts before. Most of these kids get influenced bc they see this kind of “girl power” feminism and feel left out. I actually think for younger generations focussing less on the “sokka supports women” and more on the “sokka becomes and upstanding man/member of his community (while still respectful)” could actually be a better/more impactful message. Obviously that’s a very optimistic outlook that probably won’t happen, but I’d appreciate it quite a bit.
@@malikabrown2357you bring up some interesting points-you’re right, younger folks have probably already been introduced to these concepts. I should give them more grace/the benefit of the doubt. Also, I guess it wasn’t clear in my writing but I definitely don’t want Sokka’s ark to be him discovering “oh… girls can be like guys too… (as in guys are cool and strong) and maybe even better?!”; that’s some white feminism BS. I think what I was hoping for with Sokka’s ark in book 1 is to demonstrate to younger audiences a beautiful example of being open to challenging your preconceived notions, be willing to unlearn, and doing so with humility and self-awareness? I hope I’m getting my point across this time! I agree, it’s a lot to hope for, but I think that kind of representation is so needed in a social climate where people are often quick to disregard others with different perspectives and so resistant to open dialogue and admitting their own faults.
EDIT to add: in Sokka’s ark, I was hoping that younger audiences might be encouraged to challenge themselves on their understandings of misogyny, patriarchy, etc., which I assume is influenced by “manosphere” crap-regardless of whether or not they agree with those wild theories, which are often presented as facts. I just think Sokka’s ark would be a good way to teach people that challenging yourself and doing so respectfully is commendable. Anyways I hope I made myself more clear this time! Cheers :)
This is the main point most people who dismiss it by being only 4 episodes in that need to understand
@@traceekd6816 I understand, but I guess I disagree with your ideas about why the “Manosphere” has become popular. Young boys feel isolated by society and so they turn to strong role models like AT etc who push misogynistic ideas. I think a storyline where sokka’s growth is focused on his insecurities and how they may manifest in harmful ways (more like books 2-3) could be a really impactful story for kids like that. Making the sexism less societal and more introspective also allows him to learn how to use the other water tribe men as positive role models (also more of a book 2-3 thing) which could be amazing to see.
Basically, while the original storyline is great, I think books 2 and 3 are the more resonant part today and I think focusing on that rather than societal stereotypes (at least through sokka) isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Although again, that’s a very specific interpretation I don’t think they’ll do but yknow.
@@malikabrown2357 hmm, I don’t think I talked about why I think the manosphere stuff has become so popular? I do agree with you that young boys feel isolated, which leads them to turn to certain role models that can radicalize them in various ways. I didn’t mean to centre a trend of adopting AT-style misogyny to highlight the importance of Sokka’s story ark. What I meant to say was that it’s important that there is representation of a young person/man who thinks/acts one way and is challenged to do differently. I think that Sokka’s ark could be a great opportunity to show audiences that you can change and grow, and you can do it with an open mind and with respect, humility, and self-awareness. I agree that the source of Sokka’s behaviour may be more rooted in his insecurities rather than societal ideas (but there’s also a conversation to be had about how macro issues manifest in micro settings), but I think it is still a great representation of a person who is willing to learn and unlearn things in order to grow as a person. And you’re right, Sokka’s story ark, in this regard, goes beyond those few episodes of Book 1; we see that he is constantly challenged throughout the series and it’s his open, clever, and sincere mind that is his greatest strength. My point in bringing up the manosphere stuff is to give context as to why such a storyline may be important for younger audiences-not just because it challenges a character’s misogynistic behaviour, but because it shows that you can change your viewpoints, you can grow, and you can do so as long as you are willing to. Again, young people, regardless of whether they agree with the misogynistic BS spouted by AT and the like, have been introduced to these ideas. They need to know that they should question things they are told as fact. It may be a good idea, then, to show representation of folks who are open to critical reflection and willing to grow-that growth can be applicable to challenging their views on gender, their self-perception/self-esteem, their views on traditions and religion, etc. I think my point was just that Sokka’s ark is a good representation of someone who is constantly in situations where he adapts his mindset in order to grow/help others-representation I think that is needed at a time of manosphere BS, alt-right BS, Zionist BS, and where people are quick to disregard other/opposing viewpoints solely because they don’t align with their own viewpoints.
Anyways, with all the being said, I really hope they don’t dumb-down Sokka and treat him just as a comic relief. Sure he’s a funny character, but I think it’s cleverness and heart that make him such a great character. I guess we’ll all see when the show comes out…
people think azula becoming mad is lazy storytelling, what??? i think it's genius. it makes sense on many levels. she has been defeated by team avatar a few times by that point already, so her self esteem wasn't that high, then her brother turned on the fire nation, then, most crucially, the two people she trusted the most, her two best friends really, betrayed her. she felt like she had control over her life before that, control over people around her, and then she lost it all. and that fragile mask slipped off, revealing the vulnerability inside. and yes i agree that if she was confident and sane they couldn't have defeated her, but how do you defeat an undefeatable foe? you make them lose themselves. team avatar had what she lacked - community, hope, strong relationship with each other. it's not lazy storytelling by any means
Episode 4 it’s looking like you were right 😭🤞🏾
something that annoys me about how the fans talk about changes to the story/characters is how it usually goes like "how are they gonna do [character/story beat] if they're changing this other one?"
While I get that fans want to see everything from the original show in the live action, I think it's good to look at this work as it's own thing and focus more on the internal workings of the show. What I mean by this is like, if they change one element of the story, then it's likely that they will change a different aspect of the story to make it all work within the REMIX of the original that they have said they are making.
It would not make sense to take out Sokka's sexism and then still try to have him humble himself before the Kyoshi warriors, for example. If that happens then everyone has the right to be confused about it. I am giving the writers the benefit of the doubt and assuming that they are not stupid and understand this, but we'll see.
As a person who's faced misogyny, I appreciated Sokka's open sexism - it was introduced from Katara's perspective, and the harm it does is shown from her perspective.
I have a fear that taking it out comes from a discomfort some men have with misogyny and sexism, who believe they've done the work and now that's in the past. (And they don't wanna give girls any "feminist ideas.")
Coming back to this video after the episodes drop and patiently awaiting a follow up video (should you so choose, but I hope you do)
I’m generally more forgiving with live action remakes - I think theres a lot of value in the reinterpretation that a remake (of any kind) can provide. A live action remake can also inspire a lot more people to give a story a try, but that’s because people don’t take animation seriously! It’s so frustrating when I have to avoid mentioning that something is animated, or when I have to convince someone that a story is good *in spite of* the medium.
My mom loves sci-fi, and was obsessed with Firefly back in the day, but she refuses to watch Cowboy Bebop explicitly because it’s an anime…
I don't know where you got the idea that the inuit culture did not have a sexist society. It certainly does depend on region but my Dad and I spent a lot of time out in the wilderness of Alaska. The inuit tribes of the area had a big issue with domestic violence against women. Additionally at one point only men hunted and fished. So it left much of the housework to the women. When I saw the sexism of the water tribe it felt about right. Where some tribes have light sexism and others had a lot of it.
Okay but Ian Ousley is still not native
@@itsnatemate7697 Has nothing to do with my point.
Girl I cannot believe I’ve been waiting for this for 6 years!
i hate live action adaptations of animated works with a passion. i've never watched something animated and thought "this should be live action". if anything i constantly think live action things should've been animated instead because i think they would be better able to convey the story if they used a medium where "impossible" things are easier to show (like magic systems like bending). especially with amazing animated shows like arcane and blue eye samurai coming out recently, i doubly don't understand the push for live action. the art style and movement in animation adds so much to the storytelling. for a show like atla where animation was genuinely one of its (many) strengths, i find it insulting that studios want to do the exact same thing but in live action this time. there is some amazing live action fight choreography but i genuinely don't think it's going to be as good with the atla fights. bending is very different to whatever is going on with john wick. it's just insulting to take a perfectly good beloved show and go "what if we do the same thing. but it's live action".
My main focus is on the actor of aang. In the series it takes over a course of a year, but if they are doing seasons then time will pass and the actor will mature and not look 12 anymore. I know aang grows in book 3 but not to the point of looking like Zuko and sokka. I feel they should have shot book 1-2 all together so the actor for aang looks the same age so when book 3 comes out he’d look a little older but not soo much if you get me?
Also with the colour of katara and sokka skin tone I do feel they could have gotten darker indigenous people for the roles, but the people they got do have the feel of the characters so I’m okay with it.
The whole issue with sokkas actor, I’m not sure what to say about that since I haven’t looked much into it. But if he’s half indigenous and white and lied for the role then that’s unfair. But it’s too late now and he seems to be doing a okay job from the trailers
I love the point that it’s strange that the only indigenous group is portrayed as sexist. I never really thought about it like that before. With other nations being based on East Asian and south East Asian societies, sexism could be explored there too.
That's because sexism wasn't really an issue in the fire nation, they have too much pride in themselves. We saw female fire nation soldiers and Azula was praised and had earth benders listening to her at 14
It was mostly down to the elements rather than the culture(s) they based each nation on. Water was the most obvious that could be divided by sexism (fighting vs. healing), while the other elements didn't have these separate properties. Fire was the most egalitarian-friendly, the great equalizer between genders, while water was the most easily sexually divided. Earth was somewhere in between, but we also have to understand that earth bending had the least cultural impact on its titular nation as the Earth Kingdom was the largest and had the least amount of benders compared to the other nations.
The girl that plays katara has a browish skintown. Katara was darker then her lighter counter parts. But she wasnt that dark either. Realistically the actress looks like how kataras skin would be to me
Same. I think colorism is definitely a problem in the industry and something to be discussed, but in this instance, people mistook how dark the water tribe characters actually were.
I'm actually more interested in the upcoming new animated series and movies that, you know, actually expand the world of Avatar. I mean I'll probably still watch the live action series, just because, but it's not that high on my watchlist
My real problem with the live action show is this: "Why?" "Why should I watch it, when I already watched the original more than one time?" The is a more important question to me than all the talk about changes be that to character, world or look.
I don't refute that it can be done well. But just like with Reboots and the like it needs a real drive and need to tell the story in a different way, from a different angle or maybe a slightly different story.
Facts
Owwww my favorite baddie ❤❤❤❤ so happy you dropped this. Hope all is well in the gorgeous Brazil. Can you cover more of your experience there? I was shocked when you told me it wasnt as diverse as you were expecting
Thank you for mentioning the costumes, I like to use Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings as a comparison-in those movies, Gandalfs robe was covered in mud, and Bilbos vest had wear and tear from the many times he had fiddled with the ring in his pocket. When you overlook details like that it breaks the immersion.
I understand the valid criticisms, but I feel like many people are blowing certain controversies out of proportion without giving this live-action a chance to stand by itself. Much of the recent backlash regarding Sokka's sexism has been based on a single quote from a single interview the actors did, and some outlets took it for a headline so that's the only thing people read without reading the original, entire interview. I definitely have a bias for this show because I've been following its development closely since the adaptation was announced in 2018, but as an Asian-American who originally watched ATLA while it was airing, I want this adaptation to succeed and feel sad to see that many people have already written it off from some interviews. I understand that it may seem superfluous to make another live-action adaptation, but the showrunner, Albert Kim, has said one of the main motivators to do this (despite even his son's initial hesitance to support the effort who is a fan of ATLA) is to have an epic, big-budget franchise that centers around Asian culture, stories, and characters which does not exist in the Western world. For that, I am cheering this effort on, and many of the Asian American actors in the cast who have watched bits of the show seem to champion it as well.
The showrunner Albert Kim has discussed extensively in all the interviews how much he reveres and respects the show. The first episode was actually co-written with Bryke when they were still involved in the production! Maybe it is silly to have blind faith in the writers and producers, but I believe the choices they made to diverge from the original served a purpose based on how much care the cast and crew displayed when discussing their rationale behind how they cast each character, what it took to figure out the sets, and translating the narrative from a 2D cartoon into a 3D serialized drama.
I hope they still include the sexism arc in the show, though. My interpretation of the interview was that they are toning down what Sokka says explicitly ("Girls are better at fixing pants than guys, and guys are better at hunting and fighting") which may be a simple way to portray his sexism to something more understated but just as insidious. Anyway, that is the end of my essay LOL. I appreciate your more balanced take in this video as opposed to a lot more reactionary takes I've seen!
Perfectly said!! I completely agree 💯
@@domdaughery25 thank you!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way and still wholeheartedly supports this show!
I agree with this so much man, it’s so sad to see all the negativity out there when it hasn’t even come out yet. Like you, I’ve been following the production a closely for the last few years and it’s clear to me how much Albert Kim likes and respects the source material. I really wished more people wouldn’t write it off simply because of one out of context quote or because the og creators left :(
@@certifiedguobafan Exactly :'D at this point it seems like people are wishing for it to fail rather than being cautiously pessimistic. I know the odds of a good live action adaptation are slim but if One Piece can do it, I have hope for ATLA! It's been a long wait for both of us, excited for it to finally release!
Toning down for live action might work coz it happens/mostly fixed in the show in just 1 episode,
But the real red flag for me was about 'them wanting to appeal to game of thrones audience'
like what??? Does that mean June gonna be flashing titties to Iroh?
As a darker skinned person, I personally feel like both katara and sokka shouldve had darker skinned actor to play them.
Its always so annoying when characters who had darker skin in their og version get played by lighter skinned characters. And the amount of time its done just makes me feel icky, because it makes you wonder why people just can't be darker skinned and always need to have lighter skinned actors playing them. There are indigenous actors with darker skin that could have been hired to play them.
I was with u until u started hating on live actions in general just because it’s a “spit in the face” to the animation. This is just dramatic and not true. UNLESS they mess it up. But u have to give them a chance to get it right.
Everyone told me I was crazy for being extremely unexcited for this. It’s unnecessary.
I decided i wasn't going to watch the live action when i saw that sokka and katara were not brown skinned. Katara was one of the few pieces of representation i had as a kid, being a brown asian woman. It's sad to see that taken away for the younger generation of kids who want to see someone look like them. And tbh the show could stand to have more dark skinned people in general. Black people deserve to be represented in fantasy media as well
Sokka is so dull in the netflix show.
I’m on the fence about watching so would love to see your thoughts on the show once it comes out.
Completely agree with you. I have very few complaints about characterization in the original. The main one is Iroh's behavior with June came out of left field. They either should have made him a clear misogynist earlier as a character flaw he can outgrow, or gotten rid of it together. Sokka being sexist is, as you explained, an opportunity for growth for him and has a place in the story.
I don't like the casting for Katara, Azula and Iroh, and also not a fan of the acting. The Avatar gang had no chemistry in the trailer, I don't know how they can pull this off.
I feel that a live action is unnecessary. I think it’s okay for things to just exist in their original medium flaws and all. I think I’ve been let downs by live action too many times to have hope for it. I do think making the only darker skinned members of the main cast sexiest was a flaw of the original but it also feel that each nation was assigned a big “flaw” which is unrealistic. However if the show wanted to fix that, they could just introduce sexism to the other nations. It would feel more realistic than just toning it down all together.
Let's wait and see. I don't know how they'll play it, but if they remove Sokka's sexism (don't forget that his sexism isn't the major flaw he has to overcome; it's more of a self-importance/arrogance thing, his sexism is just a part of that, but even if they remove that, they could still keep the original arc), that could actually fix two issues at once, if they play it right (aka: if they keep the sexism in the Northern Water Tribe). One: it would actually possibly make _more_ sense canonically, as we never see anyone from the Southern Water Tribe, other than Sokka, display any sexism, and it is canon that Gran Gran specifically left the NWT to get _away_ from sexism. And two: by making only the NWT sexist, it removes the iffy indigenous=sexist connotation.
I honestly would prefer they end it after season 1 since the One Piece LA has less hate and I feel like ATLA hype isnt gonna last long
I mean... You're not forced to watch it? I don't understand this "unnecessary" crowd... Some people wanted to see a live-action ATLA and those who didn't can just... I don't know... Not watch it? This version being made won't hurt the original show just as much as the atrocious movie didn't either...
It’s sad that so many people are probably going to hate watch this that it will still make Netflix money
People need to stop having this image of what a person with Native American ancestry is supposed to look like. Also lmaoing at the idea some people really expect a 100% Inuit actor with dark brown skin and blue eyes. US society is still extremely prejudiced against us and it's so painfully evident whenever these live action remakes try to incorporate us as "representation." Just look at the backlash against the live action cast for Lilo and Stitch. Though I hope that movie never gets made. Don't fix what's not broken, I loved Avatar the way it was and don't intend on watching any of these live retellings.
No nation or culture should take to heart how they are represented in this Avatar world. Its not a true story... the flaws of each culture and character are used to teach us a lesson. They should have let Sokkah grow as a character.
Unironically, I think that ATLA is one of the few animated series where a live action could actually benefit and expand on a lot of the worldbuilding elements that get swept over in the original due to the nature of it being a Nickelodeon show.
Season 1, especially when compared to the later two seasons, does not hold up as well as it could, in my opinion.
Season 1 only appears weaker when you overlook it's whole purpose which was to be a solid foundation, and instead focus on how pretty the rest of the house is. Season 2 and 3 are only as strong as they are because they stand on the world and characters that Season 1 took the time to build up. Are there things that could've been handled better? Ofcourse, but it does it's job very well of introducing the world, establishing characters and goals, showing the traumas of war, and preparing these children for war and the grittier things to come all in a way that anyone of any age can find palletable. If the live action plans to expand on the traumas of war, they REALLY need to go beyond just showing brutal imagery like the genocide, otherwise it's just PG 13+ ATLA without more nuance🤷♀️
It didn't feel that strong even when I watched season 1 in my preteen years, but I kept up because my friends loved it. I didn't really start to enjoy it until Toph showed up.
Also, Zhao was alright as a villain, but c'mon. Azula and Co were waaaayy more fun to watch.
Thank you for sharing that Tumblr post. I was originally annoyed about them removing the Sokka-is-sexist plotline but reading that post changed my perspective. I guess it's a difficult idea to navigate where keeping it in would potentially be racist, but taking it out removes the actual feminist message behind the plotline. I think ideally you would be able to find a solution that still has a similar ignorant, rude Sokka to enlightened Sokka that doesn't play on any tropes of Indigenous People being sexist or anything like that.
I don’t understand this point of view of making Sokka, a fictional character, sexist is racist. Yeah, the water tribe is based on indigenous culture but its still a fictional world. POC characters can have their own negative views of the world and learn from it, I don’t understand the reasoning that portraying him in a negative way can be racist.
The original show has been perfectly fine on its own, these constant remakes just need to stop. There's no need to reinvent the wheel.
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Given how the legend of kora series turned out, I don't put too much stock in the opinions and vision of DiMartino and Konietzko.
That being said, the fact that it's a recycling of a great series, it seems very unlikely that it'll be as worth watching as the original series.
If your not being paid to criticize something then why do it ?? We can never talk about the good
Mako and I have the same birthday.
Thank you for being as impartial as possible about these news.
If the Netflix series is terrible, I won’t attach it to the original animated series. I will treat it as a standalone.
The Netflix show being bad has no bearing on my love & admiration for the show. I’m indifferent to it. Netflix’s changes is not going to diminish or take away the original ATLA which we can always keep rewarding. Sure, it’s irksome when you watch the essence of the story being missed, but the original IP still exists in its glory.
I would love your review of the series. I hadn’t seen the comments by Mike DiMartino or Bryan Konietzko about the show, either! I assumed they were still attached. I really have to practice how much and in what ways I critique new iterations of older existing IP because I hate coming off with energy that seems Boomer-like, such as “things were better back in my day!!!!1!1!” You do a really good job critiquing without undercutting things.
I completely understand and agree with you about the animation versus live action, especially when it comes to ATLA. To me if they make it, they make it but I know the original will always be best. I’m actually more excited about the new content that’s coming out of avatar studios.
From all I've seen, I'm concerned that Netlix took a page (or several) out of Disney's current live-action playbook in their making of Avatar. It looks like they tried to literally visually translate the animation to live-action, as seen in the costumes and makeup, and that doesn't bode well.
I think a big exception to the live-action-adaptations-of-beloved-animated-series-being-bad rule is "Obe Piece." But the creator of one piece stayed involved throughout the process.
Also, the cast was not whitewashed, and no attempt was made to make the show realistic or grounded. It kept the quirky, over the top vibe of the source material
Notice how we never hear screams of woke or white genocide whenever a character is whitewashed.
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Like Jesus lol smh
Cry about it
@whitedjango4238 I'm not crying about educating people about it, and I know your kind hates that
@@whitedjango4238 Nobody Cries about it more than your kind remember crying about some great replacement
"notice how we never hear of screams of racism whenever a white character is casted by a black actor/actress"
based off what I’ve seen of how the characters are gonna look in live action, the only thing I really don’t like is how they did zuko’s scar, like in the show it was definitely a 3rd degree burn since a flame slightly larger than a hand was held to his face, but it still looks nothing like a burn scar. it looks more like some eyeshadow they put on the actor
Netflix, having a sexiest character who grows to come to their senses is good. Just think of a sexiest, racist or otherwise problematic youth seeing a role model in someone who thinks like them. This role model then goes through events and circumstances that show them how they’re wrong, their life stories gradually showing them evidence of the wrongful aspect of their character and rational explorations; not explanations of why they must change. The sight of a person simultaneously reasoning themselves through an issue and being viscerally confronted by the consequences of their actions.
Our hypothetical sexiest youth is learning why they’re wrong, the futures that await them if they fail to change, and the brighter futures awaiting them if and when they do change. It is a simultaneously intellectual and emotional experience that shows a misguided individual processes these events in their lives. How to let go of misguided dogma and live a better life.
Edit: I just wanted to add that if having the sexiest role model see reason is a huge and important aspect of Sokkas lived experience, and the lessons he learned are hugely important to the new generation. Removing this does both a disservice to Sokkas character and the series. ALAB is a show that does a lot of things simultaneously. Without Sokka navigating the issues that surround his sexism and understanding he must change what else is there to structure his early character arc? Even if the beginning episodes have already shipped, maybe they meet Toph on Kyoshi Island or similar on the way North. She could be retconned into a very neurodivergent youth and have Sokka be the bigot there. Then he can still have his character arc and the most essential aspects of his story are retold differently.
I think you mean sexist, not sexiest.
Good take but what is ALAB?
I like Sokkas sexism to humbleness transformation storyline as much as the next person, but imo his sexism isn't really the main character flaw in the original; his sexism is more part of the entire more arrogant "I'm a great warrior and leader" storyline, and over the course of the series, he becomes more humble. His sexism was part of that in the original, but it doesn't have to be. Actually, after having had a few days to think about it, depending on how they do it, it could make a lot of sense.
They could either take it away completely and just focus on Sokka's overall character arc (and people can still be arrogant assholes even when they aren't being sexist; he can still learn and grow). Which, if they _do_ keep the sexism in the Northern Water Tribe, could serve as a juxtaposition *and also* would get rid of the iffy "Indigenous people are all sexist" connotations. Actually, the more I think about this, this works really well canonically because, other than Sokka, we never see anyone else from the Southern Water Tribe being sexist in any way, and it is, in fact, canon that Gran Gran specifically left the NWT to get away from the sexist culture there.
Alternatively, they could tone it down a bit, rather than removing it. That would also make sense, because Sokka's very blatant "men hunt, girls sew" sexism is very kids'-series (and they seem to be going for a slightly older target group) and very 2000s. It's been almost 20 years since the original show and the world is different; the conversation around sexism has changed to more subtle things, so it could make a lot of sense to update the tone of the sexism because some of the lines would just "date" the show, especially to new audiences. LOOK THIS CHARACTER IS SO BIGOTED (especially in a character like Sokka, who is somewhat more misguided) would frankly just come across as bad writing nowadays. (Not saying it was bad writing in the original, but I think I agree with the creators that this doesn't translate really well 1:1 to a new medium and to this different time.
Like, don't get me wrong, they could still fundamentally screw this up, but we don't know that yet. Let's wait and see what they do with Sokka's character arc and how they tackle the issue of bigotry before we come to any conclusions.
@@Casutama The Northern water tribe isn’t sexism. It’s cultural values. It’s not that they believe women can’t be water benders, but that the interest of the community is better suited for them to be healers. It’s also important to note that if Katara hadn’t gotten those lessons, Aang would have remained dead at the end of season 2.
@@loganleroy8622 Cultural values can be and often absolutely _are_ sexist. In the real word as well as in fiction. Cultural values don't make something magically valid; people have done everything from hurtful things to actually causing harm because of genuinely held cultural beliefs. Sexism because of cultural values doesn't make the sexism any better. That is the point that episode is trying to make. And seeing as Katara, as far as we know, only attended one single healing lesson and had, prior to that, already discovered healing on her own, it's not really implied in the text that there was anything specific she learnt in that one lesson that made the difference in terms of saving Aang's life.
There's nothing wrong with healing, it's an important bending art. The sexism stems from saying "all men learn one style of bending, all women learn another, and never shall the twain overlap or intersect".
I am definitely on your side I just want more stories from that world.
The astroturfing campaign for this series has been intense, and it seems like it wouldve been easier to just MAKE SOMETHING PEOPLE WANTED
The only correction we need is for Zuko and Katara to end up together! 😊
Tbh, I would have much more expectations if we had a new animated series focused on a third avatar from the earth kingdom!
I hope we aren’t mistaken about these being the possible reasons that Mike and Brian left the show. I hate these changes as everyone else does, but what really frightens me is I heard somewhere that Mike and Brian left the show in the first place because they wanted more changes. This scares me for the future of what they create with Avatar studios. Idk if anyone else heard this but I just wanted to throw this out there.
I've heard it as well, but I don't know how much of it is true though, so I'd take it with a grain of salt... But we don't have to go far to see that Mike and Brian are definitely not infallible, as (even though I personally liked it) a lot of the fandom HATED TLOK with a passion, and they created that, too...
@@Whatever94-i4u Very true. What I worry about is a podcast episode that they were on a while back with the official ATLA podcast. They said that they would definitely change some things about the ATLA show if they could go back. When they said that I was like so confused because I thought, and many others thought as well, was the final form of the show they created was already perfect. Just worried about the future a little bit, but obviously I will watch what they make.