Spinomania was so intense that whenever girls see Spinosaurus, they freak out. Like, Spinosaurus doesn't need to do anything, as long as it shows itself to the public...
1910's: Spinosaurus was a big, weird carnivorous dinosaur with a sail on its back. 2001: Spinosaurus was a chiropractor. 2005: Spinosaurus was 16-18 meters long. 2014: Spinosaurus was a midget. 2015: Spinosaurus was possibly quadrupedal. 2017: Spinosaurus was not quadrupedal. 2020: Spinosaurus had a newt-like tail. 2021: Spinosaurus possibly hunted like a heron. 2022: Spinosaurus could dive deep. Late 2022: Spinosaurus couldn't dive deep. 2024: Spinosaurus could swim on land and walk in water. 2027: Spinosaurus had wings, and was therefore able to fly. 2029: Spinosaurus's wings were not for flying, they were just a display feature. 2030: Spinosaurus COULD fly, but not because of its wings. 2031: Spinosaurus could only fly vertically. 2039: Spinosaurus could shoot laser beams. From its cloaca. 2056: Spinosaurus could sing and write in a perfect English. 2083: Spinosaurus sent a spaceship into orbit that fell back on Earth with a message. Scientists are trying to decipher it. 2144: Scientists finally decrypted the message. Spinosaurus are not extinct and they are coming to take Earth back. 2300: This is not a war any more than a war between men and ants. This is an extermination.
Here is a more accurate one: 1935:Allosaurus with sail 1985:Midget 2001:T.rex killing monster that is 18 meters and 21 tons 2009:Monsters fucking resurrected 2012:16 meters long, pretty unique 2014:Quadreped lol 2017:Not a quadreped 2018:not aquatic 2020:tadpole tail and semi aquatic 2022:hunted like a heron
Spinosaurus is a lovecraftian being that we humans falsely perceive as a dinosaur. It's true form cannot be defined or described. From a t Rex with a sail to a giant whale to to a crocodile dimetrodon hybrid. It's insanity to truly uncover this beast!
Spinosaurus is the "jack of all trades, master of none" in the paleontology world. Watching scientists, and paleo-enthusiasts, fight each other over what its skeletal morphology, and its ecology, was like has become a spectacle. When it comes to JP/JW, the animal went from being the king of the theropods in JP3 to being stuck on an island that no one cares about in a TV show. That's... pathetic. I think nowadays that it should have appeared in Dominion. Heck, it should've joined Rexy in fighting the Giga at the end of the film. I think Spinosaurus needs a lot of love, both in paleontology (I know that's going to be hard, but keep hope alive for more fossils so we can gain more facts about it) and in paleo-media. That's something coming from a guy that grew up hating on the animal thanks to JP3. 🤣
The real problem when it comes to the paleontology of big carnivores, is that they imagine them in cage matches against other big carnivores, when in reality they probably only ate smaller vertebrates and avoided other big carnivores.
This exactly! I'm sick of people thinking that all large carnivores did was pick fights with one another. Just look at modern day animals and it becomes quite clear that most species tend to avoid unnecessary fights because the risk often is greater than the reward.
They did not likely have to contend with territory... but probably with their own kind. Same as modern day predators. They compete with each other, not against others. Besides that, many dinos lived in completely different eras. Often the time between us and the last dinos was far shorter than the time between when 2 predator dino species lived.
mostly carcasses as well...idk about avoiding others,the fossils show combat wounds in various theropods..sometimes from other theropods ..one report in particular mentions cannibalism in t rex..and hypothesized that they did fight over carcasses ....
@@LG22475 but its not unheard of entirety in the fossil record...plenty of theropod fossils show various injuries by other theropods and its not far fetched to say they did fight...
I'm waiting on the study to try and convince me it doesn't have a sail. Also, I love watching those videos going over the evolution of the Spino. Most of those for other dinos are fairly gradual with minimal changes, but the Spino changes so much so quickly. I also love how often they have to update the videos with a new form.
FUN BIT - it could have been a hump! Modern day animals with similar (but less impressive) large vertebrae include Rhinoceros and American Bison. In these animals, the vertebrae support a large group of muscles in the neck and shoulders for swinging their big heavy heads around, and so look like shoulder humps with the skin on. They're not proportionally as big as the Spinos, of course, but the boy could have been rotund like a goddamn hippo. I don't know if the spines have indication of muscle attachment, but it's something that -could- be! Love this enigma of a theropod.
Couldn't stop laughing at the wrestling bits, you mad man. I also noticed all those changes over the years, how it's possibly the most changed dinosaur since the early days of paleontology to the point that when JP3 came out, I'd found an old kids book about it (it was pathetically thin) with it on all fours, then Warpath and it's two-legged version, THEN JP3s in the same day. Wild how things changed in our life time. Also, the various paleontologists need to be locked in a room to fight it out, last one standing gets the win cause unless we find a way to clone a spino, it's never getting settled.
My biggest problem with modern Spinosaurus is the odd-shaped spine that looks broken. How many "Spinosaur spines" have they discovered that are like this exactly? o-O
The thing I love about paleontology is that everything that doesn't have an obvious use (or has an obvious use that's being refuted) the feature in question is dismissed as a display structure. Its like how in archaeology, anything that looks weird is labeled as an object of ritual purposes. Basically, its just a way of saying "I have no idea what it is" without sounding dumb.
As per the JP3 Spineo as a kid I felt like it was a Frankenstein. The promo material had green eyes like it had night vision and it seemed WAY too strong and smart. Kinda like instead of splicing other reptiles DNA to finish the code they just used already fished Rex and Raptor DNA to make everything faster in the lab. This could easily explain why the Spineo was so protective of its territory and seemingly wanted revenge.
There was a deleted scene in JP3. The 2 guys with guns, killed a baby Spino. So the mother chases them the entire movie for revenge. I have no idea why they removed such a vital part of the story.
Spinosaurus is indeed controversial from what it might look like to what type of diet it had in my opinion I wouldn't be surprise if the appearance of it in paleontology changes again within the next century.
In one of your old videos, you talked about the Game Boy Advance tie-in game Island Attack. I had that game as a kid, and also beat it several times. The Spino's motivation for chasing you is still left unresolved like in the movie.
If giant dinosaurs were so disadvantaged by their size, how were they so successful and around for so long. I never understand why people put that theory out to there
Nice vid that got me thinking. My two cents about factors we should keep in mind for dinosaurs as a clade: 1. the amount of time they had to diversify 2. how much closely related animals today differ in lifestyle and physiology 3. how incomplete the fossil record is (i.e. absence of transitional forms and how much weirder dinosaurs likely await to be found) 4. how much of dinosaur physiology / behaviour is still conjecture Having said that, I think we should remain open-minded about the POSSIBILITY of semi-aquatic, fully aquatic (of course we’d need evidence) and fully feathered dinosaurs. Speaking to the latter, and given the unlikelihood of such integument being preserved at all, there seems plenty of time and diversity for dinosaurs to have had developed soft parts completely novel to scientific observation. In any case, and IMO, the Spino controversy speaks to the fact we’re living through a palaeontological golden age.
@@rodrigopinto6676 it’s definitely possible. The only way Paul managed to make it preform so poorly was by decreasing the bone density to 0.83 (which is lower then other theropods) and increasing the musculature of the tail to the point it was no longer flexible. Besides it seems Nizar found a new specimen.
Love the spinosaurus so much. Such a fascinating animal in real life, and while less interesting in Jurassic Park, being a literal t.rex-hunting kaiju is still pretty damn cool.
It's an amalgamation of different fossils and sizes. At this point, it is better to have Spinosaurus similarly to other bipedal relatives like Baryonyx. Would answer a lot of questions.
Not in the slightest LMAO. The only fossils we dont have of spinosaurus that dont paint a clear picture of what the animal looked like would be its ribs and arms, thats it. All other fossils we have of it are attributed to Spinosaurus aegyptiacus, not anything else. Scientists just don't make mistakes like Brontosaurus excelsus (who is back btw) anymore. We have far more tech than we did 100, even just 20 years ago
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey That's wrong. Making Oxalaia, Sigilmassasaurus, Spinosaurus B and Spinosaurus Maracanus synonymous has been debated among paleontologists since the 2014 reconstruction. The margin of error is just too big to not notice. They used the neotype (a subadult from a different location) and scaled it to what they think would make an adult size with different fossils and sizes. Scientists will always keep making mistakes because something new will always make changes.
Spinosaurus was my favorite dinosaur in Jurassic park 3 when I first saw it like it was the first dinosaur to take down a t-rex when I first saw it as a child i was shock and scared of this thing
Great video Klayton! The Spino has been a favorite since I was little, and it’s kinda sad to watch it constantly be redesigned. I wish they would just focus on getting all the information they can before making a judgement. I love both the JPIII and short-legged, M-sailed, S-necked, paddle-tailed versions, and they just go to show how unique the Spino really is. On a completely different note, Klayton, I’m writing a story: a retelling of Jurassic World from the point-of-view of the dinosaurs. Not everything is the same, however, and while it is based on JW, there are many creative liberties taken to incorporate lore from the films, novels, the show, and even many of the games, like Trespasser and JP:tG. Mysteries and plot twists await. It’s more of an anthology series than a single novel, each chapter is its own story. The first chapter is fully written and revised, and the second is well underway. The reason for my bringing this up is because you know Jurassic Park better than anyone I know, and I’d like for you to read it and give me feedback if it interests you, maybe even collaborate on future chapters, since I have plans for Dominion and beyond. If you want to read it, just let me know, I’m really excited to share it with you! I’ll continue my work on Jurassic World: /Terrible Lizards,/ and until then, take it easy.
I've always loved the spinosaurus, especially how it was portrayed in JP3. Even if it's not an accurate representation of the real dinosaur, it still looks amazing to this day. Which is the most underrated part of JP3, the effects are better than most of the JP/JW movies. I would like for paleontologists to definitely discover what the spinosaurus truly looked like in my lifetime.
Absolutely they even have a video JP3 making of the spino and even said to this day the spino animatronic of JP3 is the most biggest and most difficult and biggest project Jurassic part team has ever made for the franchise to this day not even the T rex was this difficult and heaviest It speaks volumes right there and seeing the actual big prop of the spino iam like daaamn no wonder LOOK AT THAT ACTULE THING!!!!!
This is like the Cold War between paleontologists. One side says Spino is like this, the other side says Spino is like that. Both sides trying to prove each other wrong and Spino is caught in the middle. Like the bone wars of our time.
That is all interesting, in fact I still love spinosaurus no matter how different it is either in real life or in form of media such as the Jurassic franchise and prehistoric planet.
Paleontologists need to calm down. The Jurassic franchise isn't about being scientifically accurate. It's about cool movie dinosaurs killing each other and killing humans for our entertainment.
I think it is a crocodile that prefers to live on the coasts, but it has the ability of feet, muscles and hugeness that make it move away from the coast and move comfortably for a long distance without worrying
You forgot to mention one of the biggest controversial statements by some paleontologists. The fact that they concluded with limited to no data that other theropods/genus like Spinosaurus Moroccanus, Sigilmassasaurus, Spinosaurus B and now Oxalaia are all synonymous with Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus. That's just too bold of an hypothesis. Nevertheless, it's new anatomy has been criticized and paleontologists are just not sure anymore especially with the reduced hind legs which seems to bring up more questions than answers. The bone density study you mentioned from 2022 by Matteo Fabbri had Baryonyx with a similar bone density (0.87) to Spinosaurus (0.97) and Baryonyx had much longer hind legs. We also don't know the growth cycle of Spinosaurus fossils or any indication that it's limbs stopped growing. Nizar Ibrahim and Sereno simply guess worked and scaled up the neotype to a larger rostrum piece. That leaves a large room for marginal errors. Honestly, it would make a lot more sense to revert back to the original anatomy of Spinosaurus until further material is found in Egypt where Stromer first discovered it in 1915. I'm studying marine/semi aquatic mammals and they do have high bone density but have no issues venturing out on land to eat despite their bulk. Polar Bears are a great example of this and Spinosaurus bests fits this. An apex predator that switched between land and river in it's highly competitive ecosystem. One thing is certain, it's bones very dense and they were really big (bulky and currently the largest land carnivore)
@@KlaytonFioriti Yeah it's kinda ridiculous. It was first brought up in the 2014 paper which got criticized by Scott Hartman, Mark Witton, John Hutchinson, Ever S.W etc. Then in 2020, the South American theropod Oxalaia was considered a part of Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus by Nizar's team. Needless to say, scaling up different fossils from different locations and of different size (some even from the Moroccan Black Market) will result in a inaccurate/chimera like creature. That's what I, many of my colleagues believe and professors believe. Spinosaurus really should just revert back to it's previous depiction (using Baryonyx as a means of scaling) until further materials are found. With the recent bone density for Baryonyx being similar to Spinosaurus, it would make a lot more sense. Hope this helps!
The spinosaurus has always been my favorite. It came more of a favorite of mine in adult years, because it's just frustrating, annoying and it's forever changing, that's why it makes it even more FASCINATING!
I seriously think all of the paleontologists are right on many of their points. They just can't get over the idea that someone has to be wrong instead of looking at the collective data and saying, "Hmm, maybe we're all correct and we should collaborate to fine tune these ideas." Nope. I'm right. You're wrong. My team is better than your team 😓
Paleo definitely has a lot of know-it-alls who care more about being Right than actually being curious on how an animal looked and behaved. You'll have both educated folk and complete shmucks in comments acting as if they've got actual footage to back up their claims, it's frustrating. I feel like if any dinosaur should be a good example to humble people and show how little we know, it should be Spinosaurus.
As some one who "ran in those circles" and even was bit pretentious of paleontology and depictions, you hit the nail on the head. I've always seen the paleontology field as comparable to a bunch of kids in a big sandbox arguing over what was dug up. Highly charged and emotional, taking great deal of fun out of the whole thing and taking the whole matter WAY too seriously. And the only remedy, which you good sir seem to have found, is rediscovering or keeping the childlike wonder and love of it and not caring too much about all over the top sciencey side. After all, most of this is for fun so why not focus on. You know, within reason.
I remember when it was unlocked in Warpath and it looked Drastically different from how it would be depicted in JP3. Even the Lost World figure was different!
It's like a reverse platypus. Instead of a complete animal that can be fully studied, we have a limited skeleton that no one knows much about. Every new fossil comes with its own share of problems that will unlikely be resolved.
Great video Klayton Fioriti and I pretty much agree that Spinosaurus is one of the most controversial dinosaurs in the franchise and great analyzing of the Spinosaurus in the franchise. Great work and as always, Take It Easy.
Something I’ve always wondered about dinosaurs, which may help explain the contradictions of the Spino in particular; and that is if there are different breeds of each species that vary differently over their evolutionary lifespan?
Yep, just like there are indian/african elephants for example. Sexual dimorphism and how the animal changed as it went from baby to adult is also something to keep in mind.
One of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise, is in JP3 when they turn around after reuniting with Alan and Eric and see the Spino just staring at them.
The entire Spinosaurid family is an anomaly that is constantly changing. The legs and body length are the oddest considering they are so different compared to all their cousins. There's also the idea that there's multiple species
I wish in JP3 they hit the point more of the Spino being more of a hybrid (compared to the other dinosaurs) and get more in-depth on its history…feel like that could of driven a better story. Especially if the plane killed its mate, which would of driven it to hunt the group, and eventually yes fight to trex (in a previous video I said should of fought a pair of Ceratosaurus in the forest instead of the spino) 🤷♂️I love the movie don’t get me wrong but I think that would of been better
Well, back then the idea of Hybrids existing in JP didn’t occur until Jurassic World. By the time JP3 came out that was just how people thought Spinosaurus looked, it being a Hybrid creature was merely a retcon due to the fact by that point the newer discoveries and theories had come out that presented Spinosaurus as it is now.
This constantly changing of Spinosaurus's reconstruction reminds me of one of our cats. He will literally cry and cry to go outside or come inside and then want back in or back out like 2 or less minutes later. He'll even stand right at the door while we wait for him to hurry up and decide what he wants to do.
Spinosaurus is among my top favorite dinosaurs, with T.rex still being my all-time number one. Its size is incredible, and the overall biology makes it so unique, and Jurassic Park really helped grab my imagination for it over the years. I hope we find more complete specimens to finally have a more thorough understanding to what this dinosaur is. As a dinosaur and paleontology fan, I will not go against current theories and potential evidence, but honestly, I actually do wish Spinosaurus can be portrayed like how it was in the early 2000's. I've come to like that look. I guess having such shot legs despite being such a large theropod still strikes odd to me.
Its cool to see my favorite dinosaur (I chose it as my favourite just because I saw how cool it looked in Jurassic Park Builder) being discussed and talked about
T rex is top dog, but Spino will forever be the second best big carnivore baddie Dino of the franchise. That thing was a menace which didn’t walk into cartoonish territory like the hybrids
part of me thinks that the disagreements is all a stunt to confuse people with contradictory research for their gain and generating ad money, since spinosaurus is popular enough to milk people with
Love it!! I always found it hard to believe how those front claws could equate to quadropedalism...but maybe they could. I'm a skeptic at heart. Science seems to be more about defending theories than actual provable facts. Spino is a fascinating animal that I expect may prove everyone wrong when more fossil evidence is unearthed. Perhaps it was a scavenger that snatched dying fish out of the water while actively hunting pterosaurs...I can't help but recall my childhood when Apatosaurus/Brontosaurus could only support it's immense weight by being submerged in swamp water. 🤣🤣
JP3 is the reason why I love the spinosaur cause of how badass it is. The T. rex apologists are still mad that fictional dinosaurs that aren’t genetically correct had the spino win against the T. rex.
@@Ghostface1998 that’s kinda the point they’re making, and honestly it would be nice if T-rex didn’t just outright loose every time and could stand on its own in battle, but these are films and really not worth arguing about these things, but i will admit it’d be cool for newer theropods to stand on their own without fighting or beating a T-Rex, because at this point it’s kinda boring having two big predators fight each other in a climactic final battle imo.
To throw my own hat in the ring as somebody's whose favorite dino is Spinosarus, I agree with Scott and various other paleontologists, and think the hind legs of Ibrahim's chimeric reconstruction are too short. Looking at other Spinosauridae and their gaits, I think there's more evidential ground that Spinosaurus was bipedal.
Great video! Spinosaurus is such a cool creature. Whatever the future holds for it, I think it's cool that different ecological niches are being considered for this animal. And it seems to me like the one consistent feature, other than a couple outliers, is a semiaquatic or at least coastal lifestyle. Whether that be a crocodile-like lifestyle, or maybe something that wades and spears fish like a giant heron, it's cool that it's occupying some sort of special ecological niche that other giant carnivores clearly weren't (no matter which niche that ends up being). I think it's neat when we find animals that are clearly really specialized, even if we don't fully know what that means for it yet.
The guy responsible (or at least partly responsible) was Jack Horner, the paleontologist who married a 19 year old student of his… No I didn’t make that up, he actually did.
@@MorgothZEonehe was somewhat responsible but it was mainly due because of Jurassic park 2. they thought the idea of a big carnivore for the next film was nothing nw but just 2 trex was a stupid idea, and in story writing the next villain or threat is usually greater for the plot. since the trex was already used it found itself as the shonen punching bag for comparison to display how deadly the new big bad was, which is why the spino, irex, and giga are displayed kicking the trex ass with ease in the films
I feel like this also applies to Oxalaia, another Dino very similar in appearance to Spinosaurus. If they do have it make an appearance that is. I know the last the Primal Ops model looks surprisingly good despite the inaccuracies, and they could use that as its main look in the movies or tv shows. Yet another part of me understands that it would simply get a lot of confusion if they add two animals that look very similar and confuse the audience. Still, I feel like they could use a scene to where a spinosaur facing off against something like a giant crocodile, like Sarcosuchus or Deinosuchus. Or if they go the extra route, have it fight a Carcharodontosaur that has a little bit of actual fact
I like to think it was a giant Bipedal sail back crocodile, just cause thats a cool idea. Also speaking of Spinosaurus Page One, a Beast Pirate in One Piece was clearly inspired by the Jurassic Park Spino
Spinomania is runnin wild brother
Spinomania was so intense that whenever girls see Spinosaurus, they freak out. Like, Spinosaurus doesn't need to do anything, as long as it shows itself to the public...
Don't forget the Rowdy Roddy Raptor
Mach man Mosusaur
I’m totally making a SpinoMania shirt now! 😂
*SPINO 3 : 16 SAYS I JUST WHOPPED YOUR ASS!*
1910's: Spinosaurus was a big, weird carnivorous dinosaur with a sail on its back.
2001: Spinosaurus was a chiropractor.
2005: Spinosaurus was 16-18 meters long.
2014: Spinosaurus was a midget.
2015: Spinosaurus was possibly quadrupedal.
2017: Spinosaurus was not quadrupedal.
2020: Spinosaurus had a newt-like tail.
2021: Spinosaurus possibly hunted like a heron.
2022: Spinosaurus could dive deep.
Late 2022: Spinosaurus couldn't dive deep.
2024: Spinosaurus could swim on land and walk in water.
2027: Spinosaurus had wings, and was therefore able to fly.
2029: Spinosaurus's wings were not for flying, they were just a display feature.
2030: Spinosaurus COULD fly, but not because of its wings.
2031: Spinosaurus could only fly vertically.
2039: Spinosaurus could shoot laser beams. From its cloaca.
2056: Spinosaurus could sing and write in a perfect English.
2083: Spinosaurus sent a spaceship into orbit that fell back on Earth with a message. Scientists are trying to decipher it.
2144: Scientists finally decrypted the message. Spinosaurus are not extinct and they are coming to take Earth back.
2300: This is not a war any more than a war between men and ants. This is an extermination.
Here is a more accurate one:
1935:Allosaurus with sail
1985:Midget
2001:T.rex killing monster that is 18 meters and 21 tons
2009:Monsters fucking resurrected
2012:16 meters long, pretty unique
2014:Quadreped lol
2017:Not a quadreped
2018:not aquatic
2020:tadpole tail and semi aquatic
2022:hunted like a heron
@@jwdominionpyroraptor4775 2020 it was aquatic
ware ofe thee worlde referencee
Thank you for the spoilers 4 21 23
@Venatorable thank you for this comment you are a legend
All you NEED to know about the Spinosaurus:
-Was big
-Ate fish
-Had a sail
- Crocodile like head
And a tail fin
And bigass claws on hands!
It was probably a fire spiting flying dragon as well.
@@Edelweiss1102 you ruined it bro
Spinosaurus is a lovecraftian being that we humans falsely perceive as a dinosaur. It's true form cannot be defined or described. From a t Rex with a sail to a giant whale to to a crocodile dimetrodon hybrid. It's insanity to truly uncover this beast!
If he isn’t a boss in Bloodborne 2 i will be sad
It is an elusive creature indeed. It is so elusive that this thing can shapeshift.
No...not "we" Mr Indoctrinated Sheeple...YOU...you Sheeple believe this
@@NationChosenByGod Prove it? Do you have ANY ACTUAL FOOTAGE 🤔🤷🤦
@@davidsheckler4450 Face palm is for you for taking the words seriously.
Spinosaurus is the "jack of all trades, master of none" in the paleontology world. Watching scientists, and paleo-enthusiasts, fight each other over what its skeletal morphology, and its ecology, was like has become a spectacle. When it comes to JP/JW, the animal went from being the king of the theropods in JP3 to being stuck on an island that no one cares about in a TV show. That's... pathetic. I think nowadays that it should have appeared in Dominion. Heck, it should've joined Rexy in fighting the Giga at the end of the film. I think Spinosaurus needs a lot of love, both in paleontology (I know that's going to be hard, but keep hope alive for more fossils so we can gain more facts about it) and in paleo-media. That's something coming from a guy that grew up hating on the animal thanks to JP3. 🤣
I always believed Spino was the opposite in terms of out it operated in its ecosystem. An extremely niche predator.
Being in a tv show no one cares about sums that up well.
Spino is a villain
If the Spinosaurus saw Camp Cretaceous, he would probably be saying "They can't keep getting away with this."
Wait..what? A semi-aquatic creature was stranded on an island? I would like to know more of the context but I can't stand the Jurassic World movies
The real problem when it comes to the paleontology of big carnivores, is that they imagine them in cage matches against other big carnivores, when in reality they probably only ate smaller vertebrates and avoided other big carnivores.
This exactly! I'm sick of people thinking that all large carnivores did was pick fights with one another. Just look at modern day animals and it becomes quite clear that most species tend to avoid unnecessary fights because the risk often is greater than the reward.
They did not likely have to contend with territory... but probably with their own kind. Same as modern day predators. They compete with each other, not against others. Besides that, many dinos lived in completely different eras. Often the time between us and the last dinos was far shorter than the time between when 2 predator dino species lived.
mostly carcasses as well...idk about avoiding others,the fossils show combat wounds in various theropods..sometimes from other theropods ..one report in particular mentions cannibalism in t rex..and hypothesized that they did fight over carcasses ....
@@LG22475 but its not unheard of entirety in the fossil record...plenty of theropod fossils show various injuries by other theropods and its not far fetched to say they did fight...
@@jackstraw4222ok Jack horner scavenger thing is debunked by now you should know it
The Spinosaurus has always been one of my favorite carnivorous dinosaurs, even before I watched Jurassic Park 3 when I was little.
yes yesss just yesss man mine too dont get why ppl ever hated it
@@GangsterGringo most dinosaur fans are REX SIMPS
@@groudonor12 T-Rex has and always will be my all-time favorite Dinosaur.
@@GangsterGringocause it is an glorified fish eater lol, Carnos and Allo are cooler
@@thehulkster17smash34 see exactly. Point proven.. rex is sooooo boring now, it used to be so cool but now he's just so boring
I'm waiting on the study to try and convince me it doesn't have a sail.
Also, I love watching those videos going over the evolution of the Spino. Most of those for other dinos are fairly gradual with minimal changes, but the Spino changes so much so quickly. I also love how often they have to update the videos with a new form.
maybe the sail was actually underneath it like from a boat lol
@@garethscott8888 now im imagining upside down swimmimg spinosaurus
FUN BIT - it could have been a hump! Modern day animals with similar (but less impressive) large vertebrae include Rhinoceros and American Bison. In these animals, the vertebrae support a large group of muscles in the neck and shoulders for swinging their big heavy heads around, and so look like shoulder humps with the skin on. They're not proportionally as big as the Spinos, of course, but the boy could have been rotund like a goddamn hippo. I don't know if the spines have indication of muscle attachment, but it's something that -could- be! Love this enigma of a theropod.
Couldn't stop laughing at the wrestling bits, you mad man. I also noticed all those changes over the years, how it's possibly the most changed dinosaur since the early days of paleontology to the point that when JP3 came out, I'd found an old kids book about it (it was pathetically thin) with it on all fours, then Warpath and it's two-legged version, THEN JP3s in the same day. Wild how things changed in our life time. Also, the various paleontologists need to be locked in a room to fight it out, last one standing gets the win cause unless we find a way to clone a spino, it's never getting settled.
Helicoprion has more changes I think, seriously they could figure out where to put that jaw.
I hope we get to see The Spinosaurs in a future Jurassic movie. I would also like to see it do something other than fighting a Tyrannosaurus rex
Agreed! I was really hoping to have seen one in Dominion.
@@dinosaurfan2409 me too
I want spino to beat rex again
In fairness it did eat a phone and show up unheard with phone ringing in its stomach. It also fought a boat.
Iike genetically modified to talk and play cards. That would be great.
My biggest problem with modern Spinosaurus is the odd-shaped spine that looks broken. How many "Spinosaur spines" have they discovered that are like this exactly? o-O
It may change designs and behaviors constantly, but I'll always love this dinosaur to death.
The thing I love about paleontology is that everything that doesn't have an obvious use (or has an obvious use that's being refuted) the feature in question is dismissed as a display structure. Its like how in archaeology, anything that looks weird is labeled as an object of ritual purposes. Basically, its just a way of saying "I have no idea what it is" without sounding dumb.
As per the JP3 Spineo as a kid I felt like it was a Frankenstein. The promo material had green eyes like it had night vision and it seemed WAY too strong and smart. Kinda like instead of splicing other reptiles DNA to finish the code they just used already fished Rex and Raptor DNA to make everything faster in the lab. This could easily explain why the Spineo was so protective of its territory and seemingly wanted revenge.
There was a deleted scene in JP3. The 2 guys with guns, killed a baby Spino. So the mother chases them the entire movie for revenge.
I have no idea why they removed such a vital part of the story.
Spinosaurus is indeed controversial from what it might look like to what type of diet it had in my opinion I wouldn't be surprise if the appearance of it in paleontology changes again within the next century.
Paleotologist: Will the real Spinosaurus stand up and say 'Here'?
7 versions of Spinosaurus: HERE!
Paleotologist: I give up.
Even if it's inaccurate I love the JP3 design
In one of your old videos, you talked about the Game Boy Advance tie-in game Island Attack. I had that game as a kid, and also beat it several times. The Spino's motivation for chasing you is still left unresolved like in the movie.
In the Movie when the Plane started to fly they cut a piece of Spinos Sail thats why he chased them
We all know why it is, without even watching the video
If giant dinosaurs were so disadvantaged by their size, how were they so successful and around for so long. I never understand why people put that theory out to there
Nice vid that got me thinking.
My two cents about factors we should keep in mind for dinosaurs as a clade:
1. the amount of time they had to diversify
2. how much closely related animals today differ in lifestyle and physiology
3. how incomplete the fossil record is (i.e. absence of transitional forms and how much weirder dinosaurs likely await to be found)
4. how much of dinosaur physiology / behaviour is still conjecture
Having said that, I think we should remain open-minded about the POSSIBILITY of semi-aquatic, fully aquatic (of course we’d need evidence) and fully feathered dinosaurs.
Speaking to the latter, and given the unlikelihood of such integument being preserved at all, there seems plenty of time and diversity for dinosaurs to have had developed soft parts completely novel to scientific observation.
In any case, and IMO, the Spino controversy speaks to the fact we’re living through a palaeontological golden age.
The spinosausus was not “aquatic”
@@rodrigopinto6676 it’s definitely possible. The only way Paul managed to make it preform so poorly was by decreasing the bone density to 0.83 (which is lower then other theropods) and increasing the musculature of the tail to the point it was no longer flexible. Besides it seems Nizar found a new specimen.
No matter how controversial this dinosaur is, Spinosaurus is still one of my favorites.
That being said...... T-Rex still Rules!!!
Spinosaurus might be one of the most controversial dinosaurs of all time. But can it see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
I hope we get to see the spino in a future movie
Hope too
Yeah
And finally get defeated by T. rex.
@@solidSnake4580it already got defeated in CC.
@@Black_Wolf1357 CC doesn’t count. I don’t consider that show canon and most people want a death battle where Spino doesn’t get off easy.
Love the spinosaurus so much. Such a fascinating animal in real life, and while less interesting in Jurassic Park, being a literal t.rex-hunting kaiju is still pretty damn cool.
Yo!
My thoughts exactly
It is not.
@@solidSnake4580 Elaborate, please?
That's been laid to rest. Watch a short video called Jack Horner on Spinosaurus for context.
It's an amalgamation of different fossils and sizes. At this point, it is better to have Spinosaurus similarly to other bipedal relatives like Baryonyx. Would answer a lot of questions.
Not in the slightest LMAO. The only fossils we dont have of spinosaurus that dont paint a clear picture of what the animal looked like would be its ribs and arms, thats it. All other fossils we have of it are attributed to Spinosaurus aegyptiacus, not anything else. Scientists just don't make mistakes like Brontosaurus excelsus (who is back btw) anymore. We have far more tech than we did 100, even just 20 years ago
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey That's wrong. Making Oxalaia, Sigilmassasaurus, Spinosaurus B and Spinosaurus Maracanus synonymous has been debated among paleontologists since the 2014 reconstruction. The margin of error is just too big to not notice. They used the neotype (a subadult from a different location) and scaled it to what they think would make an adult size with different fossils and sizes.
Scientists will always keep making mistakes because something new will always make changes.
Spinosaurus was my favorite dinosaur in Jurassic park 3 when I first saw it like it was the first dinosaur to take down a t-rex when I first saw it as a child i was shock and scared of this thing
Great video Klayton! The Spino has been a favorite since I was little, and it’s kinda sad to watch it constantly be redesigned. I wish they would just focus on getting all the information they can before making a judgement. I love both the JPIII and short-legged, M-sailed, S-necked, paddle-tailed versions, and they just go to show how unique the Spino really is.
On a completely different note, Klayton, I’m writing a story: a retelling of Jurassic World from the point-of-view of the dinosaurs. Not everything is the same, however, and while it is based on JW, there are many creative liberties taken to incorporate lore from the films, novels, the show, and even many of the games, like Trespasser and JP:tG. Mysteries and plot twists await.
It’s more of an anthology series than a single novel, each chapter is its own story. The first chapter is fully written and revised, and the second is well underway.
The reason for my bringing this up is because you know Jurassic Park better than anyone I know, and I’d like for you to read it and give me feedback if it interests you, maybe even collaborate on future chapters, since I have plans for Dominion and beyond. If you want to read it, just let me know, I’m really excited to share it with you!
I’ll continue my work on Jurassic World: /Terrible Lizards,/ and until then, take it easy.
If you’re interested, I can send you a short 1 1/2 page prologue I wrote to sort of gauge your interest, how does that sound?
Alteori made some videos like this,with pov of buck,the baby rex,Blue and Delta
I've always loved the spinosaurus, especially how it was portrayed in JP3. Even if it's not an accurate representation of the real dinosaur, it still looks amazing to this day. Which is the most underrated part of JP3, the effects are better than most of the JP/JW movies. I would like for paleontologists to definitely discover what the spinosaurus truly looked like in my lifetime.
Absolutely they even have a video JP3 making of the spino and even said to this day the spino animatronic of JP3 is the most biggest and most difficult and biggest project Jurassic part team has ever made for the franchise to this day not even the T rex was this difficult and heaviest
It speaks volumes right there and seeing the actual big prop of the spino iam like daaamn no wonder LOOK AT THAT ACTULE THING!!!!!
Nothing in 3 looks better than anything from JP or lost world, lol
This is like the Cold War between paleontologists. One side says Spino is like this, the other side says Spino is like that.
Both sides trying to prove each other wrong and Spino is caught in the middle.
Like the bone wars of our time.
That is all interesting, in fact I still love spinosaurus no matter how different it is either in real life or in form of media such as the Jurassic franchise and prehistoric planet.
Paleontologists need to calm down. The Jurassic franchise isn't about being scientifically accurate. It's about cool movie dinosaurs killing each other and killing humans for our entertainment.
I think it is a crocodile that prefers to live on the coasts, but it has the ability of feet, muscles and hugeness that make it move away from the coast and move comfortably for a long distance without worrying
There one thing sure it 100 per cent a dino
You forgot to mention one of the biggest controversial statements by some paleontologists. The fact that they concluded with limited to no data that other theropods/genus like Spinosaurus Moroccanus, Sigilmassasaurus, Spinosaurus B and now Oxalaia are all synonymous with Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus. That's just too bold of an hypothesis. Nevertheless, it's new anatomy has been criticized and paleontologists are just not sure anymore especially with the reduced hind legs which seems to bring up more questions than answers.
The bone density study you mentioned from 2022 by Matteo Fabbri had Baryonyx with a similar bone density (0.87) to Spinosaurus (0.97) and Baryonyx had much longer hind legs. We also don't know the growth cycle of Spinosaurus fossils or any indication that it's limbs stopped growing. Nizar Ibrahim and Sereno simply guess worked and scaled up the neotype to a larger rostrum piece. That leaves a large room for marginal errors. Honestly, it would make a lot more sense to revert back to the original anatomy of Spinosaurus until further material is found in Egypt where Stromer first discovered it in 1915. I'm studying marine/semi aquatic mammals and they do have high bone density but have no issues venturing out on land to eat despite their bulk. Polar Bears are a great example of this and Spinosaurus bests fits this. An apex predator that switched between land and river in it's highly competitive ecosystem. One thing is certain, it's bones very dense and they were really big (bulky and currently the largest land carnivore)
Wait they did that?! I didn’t hear about that at all! Why would they group all of those into the same Spinosaur group! That’s insane!
@@KlaytonFioriti Yeah it's kinda ridiculous. It was first brought up in the 2014 paper which got criticized by Scott Hartman, Mark Witton, John Hutchinson, Ever S.W etc. Then in 2020, the South American theropod Oxalaia was considered a part of Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus by Nizar's team. Needless to say, scaling up different fossils from different locations and of different size (some even from the Moroccan Black Market) will result in a inaccurate/chimera like creature. That's what I, many of my colleagues believe and professors believe. Spinosaurus really should just revert back to it's previous depiction (using Baryonyx as a means of scaling) until further materials are found. With the recent bone density for Baryonyx being similar to Spinosaurus, it would make a lot more sense. Hope this helps!
@@Jack-Schneider totally wrong the Tyrannosaurus rex is the biggest or largest.
@@Jack-Schneider “dense bones”are LIMITED
@@Jack-Schneider you are just MISINFORMED
Baryonyx and Suchomimus: Why can't you be just like your family?
The spinosaurus has always been my favorite. It came more of a favorite of mine in adult years, because it's just frustrating, annoying and it's forever changing, that's why it makes it even more FASCINATING!
I seriously think all of the paleontologists are right on many of their points. They just can't get over the idea that someone has to be wrong instead of looking at the collective data and saying, "Hmm, maybe we're all correct and we should collaborate to fine tune these ideas."
Nope. I'm right. You're wrong. My team is better than your team 😓
Paleo definitely has a lot of know-it-alls who care more about being Right than actually being curious on how an animal looked and behaved. You'll have both educated folk and complete shmucks in comments acting as if they've got actual footage to back up their claims, it's frustrating. I feel like if any dinosaur should be a good example to humble people and show how little we know, it should be Spinosaurus.
My comment is better than yours 😡
The funny thing about all this is that his skeleton is so incomprehensible that they are even proposing that we may have put it together wrong.
Spino is my brother's favorite dino.
As an average layman with fairly good understanding of biology, it definitely looks like it's aquatic
JP3 Spinosaurus looks more fun then today
Looks boring to me, just a Baryonyx with a sail
Hoping Jurassic Park has the balls to show Spinofaarus.
It would truly be ahead of its time.
Ever since I first saw JP3, Spino is still my favorite dinosaur. And it stays my favorite simply because we cannot make up our minds about it.
The most controversial dinosaur
T-Rex: huh I wonder who it is?
Spinosaurus: It's me, Austin !
T-Rex: Aw son of bitch.
The Spino hole is something I never thought I’d get obsessed about but it is fascinating
As some one who "ran in those circles" and even was bit pretentious of paleontology and depictions, you hit the nail on the head. I've always seen the paleontology field as comparable to a bunch of kids in a big sandbox arguing over what was dug up. Highly charged and emotional, taking great deal of fun out of the whole thing and taking the whole matter WAY too seriously. And the only remedy, which you good sir seem to have found, is rediscovering or keeping the childlike wonder and love of it and not caring too much about all over the top sciencey side. After all, most of this is for fun so why not focus on. You know, within reason.
Am i the only one that doesn't see the Spinosaurus as some Killing Machine?
No, you aren’t
No
Spinosaurus is kinda problematic since there is a possibility this animal actually a chimera
It's actaully kinda disgusting how scientists love to state theories as fact.
Love the more paleo oriented content. Keep it up brother. God Bless!
I can't wrap my head around the evolution of spinosaurus, it's still such an amazing and bizarre creature.
Hi man I love your videos! Keep up the great work!👍
Bro you had me dying with that intro 😂😂😂
Good grief! There is just so much disagreement on this one creature...but I agree that no matter what, Spinosaurus always looks really cool.
Spino is just so cool, a walking croc with a sail is just too badass. Claws and usable arms, big tail. Just so cool
Can't wait for the Spinosaurus discovery where we find out that it could breath fire
i still got my the lost world spinosaurus toy
Come for the dinosaur editorials, stay for the WWE/WCW cut-ins. 😂 (Seriously though, I never knew you were a fan of professional wrestling Klayton.)
I love wrestling! Just finished rewatching all of 1986 - 1989 in the WWF! Now onto WCW! Can’t wait to see Randy and Hogan get there!
I remember when it was unlocked in Warpath and it looked Drastically different from how it would be depicted in JP3. Even the Lost World figure was different!
The fact that you are using the wwe fights as to show how it feels with the Constant debate on paleontology
It's like a reverse platypus. Instead of a complete animal that can be fully studied, we have a limited skeleton that no one knows much about. Every new fossil comes with its own share of problems that will unlikely be resolved.
Great video Klayton Fioriti and I pretty much agree that Spinosaurus is one of the most controversial dinosaurs in the franchise and great analyzing of the Spinosaurus in the franchise.
Great work and as always, Take It Easy.
I like how Spinosaur looks in Jurassic Park 3. Modern incarnations with tiny legs look worse in my opinion.
0:02 my brain just went "bonk"
Loved the wrestling reference, brother!
Something I’ve always wondered about dinosaurs, which may help explain the contradictions of the Spino in particular; and that is if there are different breeds of each species that vary differently over their evolutionary lifespan?
Well, breeds isn't the word. But yes, subsets of species such as subspecies, clines and races would certainly have been the case.
Yep, just like there are indian/african elephants for example. Sexual dimorphism and how the animal changed as it went from baby to adult is also something to keep in mind.
One of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise, is in JP3 when they turn around after reuniting with Alan and Eric and see the Spino just staring at them.
That classic intro got me! Nice!
I love you used WCW for this a man of culture
The entire Spinosaurid family is an anomaly that is constantly changing. The legs and body length are the oddest considering they are so different compared to all their cousins. There's also the idea that there's multiple species
I wish in JP3 they hit the point more of the Spino being more of a hybrid (compared to the other dinosaurs) and get more in-depth on its history…feel like that could of driven a better story. Especially if the plane killed its mate, which would of driven it to hunt the group, and eventually yes fight to trex (in a previous video I said should of fought a pair of Ceratosaurus in the forest instead of the spino) 🤷♂️I love the movie don’t get me wrong but I think that would of been better
Well, back then the idea of Hybrids existing in JP didn’t occur until Jurassic World. By the time JP3 came out that was just how people thought Spinosaurus looked, it being a Hybrid creature was merely a retcon due to the fact by that point the newer discoveries and theories had come out that presented Spinosaurus as it is now.
@@MorgothZEone I mean you’re not wrong🤪
Spinosaurus mentions
: Circus music stars playing:
Size shape scales controversy... Excitement
Spinosaurus description in 2100: It was an alien.
I don't hate Jurassic Park III personally, but I feel bad that Spinosaurus got so much hate for over one scene.
It feels like a new study with radical rethinkings about the spino comes out EVERY OTHER MONTH.
The pro wrestling meme was funny 😂
This constantly changing of Spinosaurus's reconstruction reminds me of one of our cats. He will literally cry and cry to go outside or come inside and then want back in or back out like 2 or less minutes later. He'll even stand right at the door while we wait for him to hurry up and decide what he wants to do.
Spinosaurus is among my top favorite dinosaurs, with T.rex still being my all-time number one. Its size is incredible, and the overall biology makes it so unique, and Jurassic Park really helped grab my imagination for it over the years. I hope we find more complete specimens to finally have a more thorough understanding to what this dinosaur is. As a dinosaur and paleontology fan, I will not go against current theories and potential evidence, but honestly, I actually do wish Spinosaurus can be portrayed like how it was in the early 2000's. I've come to like that look. I guess having such shot legs despite being such a large theropod still strikes odd to me.
Its cool to see my favorite dinosaur (I chose it as my favourite just because I saw how cool it looked in Jurassic Park Builder) being discussed and talked about
T rex is top dog, but Spino will forever be the second best big carnivore baddie Dino of the franchise. That thing was a menace which didn’t walk into cartoonish territory like the hybrids
A lot of people hating Hybrids these days it seems
@@MorgothZEone
I don’t hate them.
@@justanormaldilo.249 nor do i
*ominous, muffled Kirby's Bath and Tile jingle echoing in the distance*
part of me thinks that the disagreements is all a stunt to confuse people with contradictory research for their gain and generating ad money, since spinosaurus is popular enough to milk people with
This is a certified Dino classic
Love it!! I always found it hard to believe how those front claws could equate to quadropedalism...but maybe they could. I'm a skeptic at heart. Science seems to be more about defending theories than actual provable facts. Spino is a fascinating animal that I expect may prove everyone wrong when more fossil evidence is unearthed. Perhaps it was a scavenger that snatched dying fish out of the water while actively hunting pterosaurs...I can't help but recall my childhood when Apatosaurus/Brontosaurus could only support it's immense weight by being submerged in swamp water. 🤣🤣
FOR GOD'S SAKE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS BEAST?!.
JP3 is the reason why I love the spinosaur cause of how badass it is. The T. rex apologists are still mad that fictional dinosaurs that aren’t genetically correct had the spino win against the T. rex.
As someone who loves T-Rex, you make a valid point.
I'm more mad the franchise absolutely REFUSES to let a T.rex get a legitimate win on its own.
@@T-REX-KNIGHT the only time the t-Rex won against some Dino’s was the raptors and the carno. It’s lost pretty much every other Dino battle.
@@Ghostface1998 that’s kinda the point they’re making, and honestly it would be nice if T-rex didn’t just outright loose every time and could stand on its own in battle, but these are films and really not worth arguing about these things, but i will admit it’d be cool for newer theropods to stand on their own without fighting or beating a T-Rex, because at this point it’s kinda boring having two big predators fight each other in a climactic final battle imo.
Well jp3 is not accurate Also i think you misunderstood his comment
To throw my own hat in the ring as somebody's whose favorite dino is Spinosarus, I agree with Scott and various other paleontologists, and think the hind legs of Ibrahim's chimeric reconstruction are too short. Looking at other Spinosauridae and their gaits, I think there's more evidential ground that Spinosaurus was bipedal.
Great video! Spinosaurus is such a cool creature. Whatever the future holds for it, I think it's cool that different ecological niches are being considered for this animal. And it seems to me like the one consistent feature, other than a couple outliers, is a semiaquatic or at least coastal lifestyle. Whether that be a crocodile-like lifestyle, or maybe something that wades and spears fish like a giant heron, it's cool that it's occupying some sort of special ecological niche that other giant carnivores clearly weren't (no matter which niche that ends up being). I think it's neat when we find animals that are clearly really specialized, even if we don't fully know what that means for it yet.
Spino is not the Dino we should keep hating we should hate the person made Spino to kill the T-Rex in reality no Spino has match for aT-Rex
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The guy responsible (or at least partly responsible) was Jack Horner, the paleontologist who married a 19 year old student of his…
No I didn’t make that up, he actually did.
Don’t care + spino is cooler + it’s a hybrid + it’s a movie
@@rayan5904not a hyrbid, in jp universe that how it is, the first hyrbid stated was scorpio rex from CC tv show.
@@MorgothZEonehe was somewhat responsible but it was mainly due because of Jurassic park 2. they thought the idea of a big carnivore for the next film was nothing nw but just 2 trex was a stupid idea, and in story writing the next villain or threat is usually greater for the plot. since the trex was already used it found itself as the shonen punching bag for comparison to display how deadly the new big bad was, which is why the spino, irex, and giga are displayed kicking the trex ass with ease in the films
Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus my favorite 🔥💪
Paleontologists: "What even are you?!"
Spino: "I don't even know anymore!"
“We’re never really going to be able to see and study one”
Birds: do I not exist?
I feel like this also applies to Oxalaia, another Dino very similar in appearance to Spinosaurus. If they do have it make an appearance that is. I know the last the Primal Ops model looks surprisingly good despite the inaccuracies, and they could use that as its main look in the movies or tv shows. Yet another part of me understands that it would simply get a lot of confusion if they add two animals that look very similar and confuse the audience. Still, I feel like they could use a scene to where a spinosaur facing off against something like a giant crocodile, like Sarcosuchus or Deinosuchus. Or if they go the extra route, have it fight a Carcharodontosaur that has a little bit of actual fact
Because It changes every nanosecond
😎😅😂
This is why I love the Spinosaurus, because it a mystery.
Did they ever thought of just asking the Spinosaurus lol
I like to think it was a giant Bipedal sail back crocodile, just cause thats a cool idea. Also speaking of Spinosaurus Page One, a Beast Pirate in One Piece was clearly inspired by the Jurassic Park Spino
Spinosaurus my favorite!
4:10 Not only were you going to get attacked by a spino but also get robbed by the pego 🤣
I’ve talked about this on my channel. It’s a bummer because we can never see it in prehistoric planet until people agree on how it lived it’s life