Honda Civic Type-R FN2: The best value used hot hatch you can buy?
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2020
- The Honda Civic Type-R FN2 is one of the best value used hot hatches you can buy. In this CarGurus UK video, motoring journalist Vicky Parrott explains why that’s the case, as well as pointing out a few areas to look out for if you’re in the market for a used Civic.
Written review: www.cargurus.co.uk/research/H...
Pros
Radical styling still looks fresh
Well deserved reputation for reliability
Clever rear seats and a big boot
Cons
The 1.4 petrol is a tad slow
Bland to drive, except for the Type R
The sloping roof compromises rear headroom
TThe CarGurus verdict
The eighth-generation Honda Civic is an easy used car to recommend, but we can’t help feeling a little frustrated that the radical styling isn’t matched to a more invigorating drive. In standard guise, it’s neither particularly fun nor especially comfortable, so it falls short of the contemporary Ford Focus’s ride and handling benchmark. From the driver’s seat, the Civic is a bit middle of the road, whereas the looks are anything but.
However, the big boot, the clever rear seats and excellent reliability make the Civic a sound used buy. For most potential buyers, the 1.8-litre petrol is the one to choose. It performs strongly and delivers reasonable economy. High-mileage drivers will be better off with the 2.2-litre diesel.
Of course, the comments about the Civic being ordinary to drive don’t apply to the Type R hot hatch. This generation of the Civic Type R may have its detractors, but it’s genuinely one of the best fast hatchbacks of the time. What’s more, it's reliable enough to still make a sound buy after well over a decade on the road.
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YAY. About time the FN2 got a pat on the back. I've owned my for four years and still enjoy driving it. Up yours Clarkson :-)
Definitely pal I've had mine for 3years I love it, but I am looking at the type r 15-16plate love the look of them ❤️
Had mine 8 years, great car
@Chris yeah love one fk2 probably, it's all about budget 😂😂
@Chris mine is immaculate it's the gt model 08plate full service and done 84thousand so hopefully get about 3.5k to 4grand for mine got a little saved, and yes dreaded monthly payments for it I'm afraid to say, butvi would definitely want low milage so it's going to cost Me lol
@Chris yes pal it's alot, nice chatting with you take care 👍
Very underrated car. I’ve owned mine for 8 years and it has stood up to what must the UK’s harshest commute - 26 miles of the Isle of Man TT course balls out at 8k rpm for minutes at a time most days, day in, day out without fault.
Wow! How many miles have you put on doing that?
I like this woman a lot. She's eloquent in explaining these cars in a simple way. Big reason why I even got a city electric car even though I used to hate them.
The fn2 is a brilliant car, getting better with age, great day to day and b road blasting with the added benefit of bombproof reliability
How is it getting better with age tho lmao
@@doncornetto as most hot hatches get heavier and ultimately blunt and numb , the fn2 delivers a fun raw driving experience all at over 8000rpm. I think it has also aged well, still looks good
@@mrlionrocks in that sense yeah, I thought you implied it somehow "went better" with time
@@doncornetto because it doesn't have terdbo and revs high and can run fo evva
@@garywilliams6295 what I initially assumed was that the OP claimed that the performance of the car increased with time
Please stop hyping the values of FN2s, at least until after I've bought one.
Lol I was thinking the same and tbh it's starting to happen. I'm looking at a gt one 11plate @ 88k for £4.2k! Dear..wasnt long ago you find one for 2k
@@pollumG that's cheap tbh. I can't find any good ones in Germany under 8k Euros, not to mention the import costs which will not be below 2k Euros.
pollumG just bought one for 1.8k 135k miles on clock.
@@goldenthang where and how? I've been looking at auto trader but haven't seen such prices
@@goldenthang any problems with it?
I’ve owned my 09 Type R about a month. Everything mentioned in the review is pretty much spot on. First thing I did was put a new clutch It and it drives great. The noise is slightly addictive when you plant your foot down and hit vtec, which makes the mpg go down a fair bit 😄
Get yourself a few choice mods , after market catback exhaust system and induction kit and a ECUTEK Remap my VTEC kicks in at 3800rpm superb !
Most people who slag them off probably never had one. This car was unbelievable to drive the confidence it gives.. I had a 2010 new from honda and it could bounce off the rev limiter around 158mph and although taking a long time to get there you could maintain flat out speed into corners in the wet and 140mph on fresh snow in normal tyres. One of the only cars I got to sell not write off....Crazy car
Fantastic car! Had mine for nearly 3 years now and love the drive and design. Even better with lowering springs plus geometry.
Got my Championship White back in August and I am absolutely in love! ✌️🇯🇵
Had my FN2 mugen 200 two years now and it's a little head turner! Still love it.
Good review, Exactly my thoughts about the CW FN2 I bought last year.
Got one of the champ white fn2s. Absolutely love it
I had one and miss it like HELL
Same here, best car I've ever had 😭
What did you replace it with?
I own a FN2 and its great so nice looking and very reliable.Love it
Great review. Had mine going on 9 years and still love it... though it's extensively modified
Has it been reliable? What’s the most expensive repair or replacement part you did (if had) ?
@@thebengardneryoutubechannel Other than wear and tear items... one coil pack and one folding mirror actuator.
I've had both fn2 and ep3 type r and I've always preferred fn2 bcz of refinements and the look of the car from inside and outside
I have the fn3 2.2 cdti type s GT, it's brilliant mix of fun and economy, not quite as aggressive as type r but still alot more than the base model !!!
Honda should of stayed with this design , it looks so much better & more contemporary than the current model !.
Totally Agree, the new design is hideous.
They have a habit of that..im keeping my old 95 EX coupe..
Jaxx Brat . Why? Are you broke?...
@@Silver-st2zq The FN2 is hideous compared to the ep3
@@lIlPedrolIl yeh if your a 17year old boy racer wannabe. Crack on
Lovely Jubbly review, still a good looking car.
Superb all round machines these! 👌🏼
I love the styling of this car, but I will stick with my EP3 that I own for 15 years now.
Not long owned my fn2 and i love it, enough power to overtake, comfortable, alot of space, suspension is harsh yes but it handles better then my mk7 civic on coilovers
"The EP3 is the best type R" say EP3 owners lol. The best civic type R is the EK9 for a start and the best car with the type R badge is probably what, the DC2 Integra? Anyway thanks to the clarksonites for tanking the price of these as they are great fun. I'd sure as shit have the "worst" type R over a Golf GTI!
Nope! How is the ek9 better when it will oose to the ep3 ? The ep3 is as fast as a interga type r. They're essentially the same car. And seriously? You think the integra is the best car worth the type r name? Did you forget the nsx and fk8 type r? What a dumbass honda fanboy. Ek9 is the overrated one. Ep3 is underrated.
@@imtheonehero9305 ep3 is different platform and drive train to dc2 integra. ep3 is more like the dc5 integra. The ep3 went backwards in terms of platform i.e it lost the double wishbone all-round suspension of the ek9 dc2. Ep3 is ok but overrated as a drivers car. In the UK it didn't even come with a LSD!! It was just very cheap when it came out and the opposition golf gti, focus st170 etc had less power. Then the competition cauhgt up in terms of power, 200bhp gold with independent rear suspension and focus st with 225bhp and Renault with the Megane RS .
Dc2 type r is probably the best type r of all. hydraulic steering, LSD, all round double wishbone, classic vtec engine and decent driving position unlike the civics. More raw than the dc5. Nsx type r probably great but too rare.
I had a JDM EP3 and driven almost all Type R's i liked it the most. The EP3 was easier to live with, the 3 cup holders and the deep centre storage, that odd shelf above the glovebox, i remember a iPhone 5 would fit perfectly under the ashtray on an angle and not move. The gearstick was close by, the controls were in a simple tidy layout. EDM seems to be missing quite a bit performance wise so i see what you mean. I think the EK9 looks odd from the back
I have never driven a FN2. They are rare in New Zealand which is why i clicked on this video. Thinking of the DC2, it didn't have that 'boobah' vtec kick though. The DC2 is a special car.
I really like the FD2 Mugen RR one.
I currently own a DC2 Integra type R. It have an unbeatable rate of fun/£-€. I also pushed it a lot of times, and found MY limit before the car limit (I mean in curves). This thing turn more than my spinning top and don't know what is the grip, because IT BE the grip!
The NSX wore the Type R badge as well. Competition over, best by default.
Vicky does great reviews.
Great review. Great car 👌
Very capable car I've come across from a Golf R which is a beast but very artificial. The FN2 is very involving and has that fun factor , go for a 2010+ model which comes standard with an LSD, Xenon's and USB port. The LSD totally transforms the handling. Very good package indeed
Great review defo becoming a classic hot hatch at lot of the fn2 are in better condition for the age then it’s rivals golf, focus , bmw , vxr etc maybe do a follow up review on the fn2 in a few years when it will be a classic
I’ve had mine from new in 2008 & I absolutely adore it . Unfortunately times change & it’s fine To go
This review is strangely soothing, despite the violent nature of the Honda's type Rs.
Had mine 4 years never missed a beat! Great car.
I ran one of these for 6 months and was extremely surprised with how much I enjoyed it
Why only for 6 months?
'keeps going to 7,800rpm'? Mine's from 2007, stock and revs to 8,400... Good video though, nice to see the fn2 getting the love it deserves. I bought mine about 9 months ago and am still completly in love with it. By far my favorite of the 6 hot hatches I had previously, not to mention also the most reliable by far and most spacious/ practical.
She also said the 09 got an lsd what isn't true unless she is talking about the championship white edition it was standard on cars made from april 2010
You get the most power at 7800 then will die off so if you change at 7800 compared to 8400 or what not...you will be quicker, not night and day. Just quicker
@@cupra2Jock. I think 8000 rpm is the best for changing gear,next gear falls out on a higher rpm with more power. 8400 rpm isn't stock. Standard 8250 rpm is where the rev limiter kicks in.
Ive had my clio 182 for 11 years! I will never change her. She keeps up with most Honda's. The ep3 is where its at, i agree the FN2 would be a great replacement in the future as opposed to the clio mk3 197! I prefer electrics going wrong over rust! Lol.
Can't go wrong with this car, it's amazing.
The cars stunning. Lowered slightly and spaced out and it's a complete beaut!! Be careful when buying tho as alot of owners have thrashed them to death and done little maintenance. Do your homework and make sure it's been well looked after. Bombproof otherwise with the right owner
I have one. It’s awesome.
Great reviewer 👍
On my THIRD FN2. Keep going back to these as they are SOOOOO much fun and cheap to buy. 5.5k revs and VTEC kicks in yo! Hahahaha
I have the 2007 Honda Type R FM from new it's excellent I maintain service it very well it's a classy looking Hatch 3 door yes all the others 5door forget zero style I just love this Honda.
Alrighty, I'm moving to the UK now
ive been a VAG tdi guy for years now and these always seem to be the temptation to go to petrol, none of the petrol vags other than the 1.8 20v have ever tempted me
I fucking love this car, it's so practical and fun to drive as a daily, the interior is great, there's so much space, fuel economy isn't bad at all, and with all that, you just have to drop a gear or 2 and boom you're blasting fast enough down the road with a huge smile on your face :) And ohhh man that K20 engine noise when in vtec... Doesn't get old!
Quite honestly. The car has pros and cons like everything in life. But it's reliable, practical but the thing that always does it for me without fail - you can have fun in it any time you want and it always delivers.
I have the 1.8 EX full spec. Owned for 4 years now. Bought it on 120k now on 197k. Absolutely brilliant, I'm never selling it
That's a completely different car
I owned one many years ago, its a great car.
Good review its a great car I have 1 in GT spec and my kids love getting it out the back of it because it's better than being in any other car they sit in especially all the other boring family cars they get thrown in. Remember to this car because it's fun the modern day legend PlayStation 2006 and still is now back in even has audio controls cruise control bluetooth everything needed way ahead of any of its competitors like that H badge reliability. 👍
So true👍
good review
LSD is not on all cars from 2009 on. Only cars manufactured after March 2010 have it or the Championship White edition. Nice review on an underated hot hatch bargain though. I just bought one and apart from having a busted spine it's a brilliant addictive car.
I really want one for my second car but worried because you cant mod them hugely for cheap. Im coming from a 120hp mini cooper though so it’ll be a difference
I had an MB6 Civic VTi with the 1.8 engine, modded it with a 4 branch manifold and stainless all the way (including a sports cat as I didn't want to do the dodgy on the MoT). They are great engines "if" you are in the mood but can be a bit tiresome when you're just driving around normally as it needs some effort to tap into the power since they produce very little torque. Still that's barely a criticism as anyone who buys into a sporty Honda knows exactly what they're getting themselves in for.
In this video you could get the impression that the seat is not adjustable while it is.
You can lower and adjust the angle of the back of the seat.
The only downside is that you need to set it again when you move the seat to let people sit in the back of the car.
It is not that often that there are people in the back seats of my car so for me that isn't a big issue.
Also adjusting the seat is not that difficult.
Im on market to buy one trying find 2010 one lots of 2007 ones now can pick up under 10k.
My Fn2❤️
Too bad they never brought it to the US.. I really would like to try this model out.. Crz front end.. nice review
I want one of these so bad
I may not own a Type R, but the normal one is fun too!
Just brought one after first watching this video. A 2008 model with 71k on the clock. It’s the most exciting and most engaging car I’ve ever driven, one hell of a car.
How much did that cost if you don't mind
@@jayjay378378 £6800
@@liamhowell3848 that's a Good price 👌 I just paid £5800 for a 2009 85k miles and loving the car, I had e92 before with run flats this fn2 feels like driving a cloud compared to that harsh bmw ride
@@jayjay378378 my last car was an opposite end of the scale. 1.4 Nissan note so compared to that the fn2 feels like a touring car! But that what I love about it, I can feel what’s going on.
FYI it wasn't until april 2010 that the standard Type Rs had LSDs
Only thing have changed is the radio put a Alpine system in working on digital radio the difference is unreal.
She’s a great “reviewer”!
Love the design.
Will be my next car 1.4 or 1.8 petrol.
Own now a for almost 5 years a 1996 civic ej9 whit 300.000 km
Very reliable and nice to ride but rust😁 but it keeps on going
Hope you went 1.8 i-vtec route
Had ep3 for 7 years but regrets about selling are small as have fk8 now 😆
Jealous!! :) Enjoy it mate
Quite a cool car.
Still my favorite car .
Brilliant cars.
Wish i didnt sell mine now as i did want another one but the prices have shot up looking at £8-10K now for a clean unmodified example such good cars tho
To me it looks more like it would fit for a Honda City design. Just my two cents. Still love the Ek9 and FD
It’s not the clutch release baring that goes wrong, it is the clutch master cylinder, they are £104 on eBay
The clutch release bearing can fail prematurely with the aftermarket clutches from Exedy, the clutches are fine but the release bearings are cheap and nasty. I didn't think it would be that bad, but my Exedy clutch bearing is already clicking and it was changed less than 9 months ago. Always get the oem clutch bearing from Honda when renewing the clutch.
Fn2 pogo stick rear suspension
Anyone know if you can upgrade the torsion beam to independent rear suspension?
Not very easily, also it's not necessary. If you want independent suspension go for the FD2 Civic Type R sedan from Japan (they are much more expensive though!).
Not enough fake vents, and where is the surf board, sorry I meant wing?
Mine has done 190,000 klms still going strong never has it been in a smash thank god.Do need new Honda seat covers for it they have worn also the full mat for the floor of the car the price for that is 1700 dollars Aussie think I will get a trimmer to do.
looking to get one but these are expensive as heck in my country
@Jude Elcheikh Romania. Unnecessarily expensive. The owners think they are selling gold or bitcoin when they are selling this car, or I don't know how they value their cars. For 12k euros you can get a brand new car ffs. There's one dude with the same advertisment trying to sell his fn2 for years with the same price.
Yes it is
2009 Champ White had an LSD only, 2010 models then got the LSD on all colours. Just FYI.
Guys iv seen lot of you have/had honda civic type r. I have fn2 2007. Wich is best oil for engine to use? Ty
I mix between Castrol, Mobil and Triple QX depending what the prices are. As long as you're keeping regular services any oil should be fine
Had an ep3 for 9 yrs back in 2005 when it was written off bought a championship white edition and got rid after 3 yrs.. in all honesty.. I can say I preferred the ep3 hands down..
I sold my ep3 in January sadly. Hands down one of the best drivers cars ever, even by today's standards!
I had a DC5 Integra (identical chassis to EP3 Chassis) and preferred the FN2 myself. The EP3/DC5 has seriously flawed geometry: ua-cam.com/video/3s1MuqCfPXQ/v-deo.html Either the newer FN2/FD2 with a redesigned strut front end (that works *much* better) or older DC2/EK/EG with double wishbone front-end and better IRS layout both handle so much better than the EP3/DC5 IMO.
I'm blown away at how cheap these things are here. I'm tempted to get one haha
7800 rpm? Try closer to 8200rpm stock
I think I’ve seen you in other channel as well where you review electric cars. Isn’t it?
Lüvv Sürya I'm sure she was on autocar or something
Birmingham racing : Well, I haven’t seen her on Autocar channel but I found her in the channel “Driving Electric”. Bingo
FD2R: hold my beer
4-5 times the price of a FN2: hold my beer
@@golf1diesel if u truly know Fd2r, it 4 to 5 times better than Fn2r in almost every aspect.
@@nelc2399 More than a slight exaggeration there. We have plenty of FD2R's here, it is significantly better from a performance standpoint - no doubt, but as great as it is, it's not a Ferrari. A few quality breather + suspension mods and the FN2 is fairly comparable. The reason FD2's are 4-5x the price (well aprox 2-3x here) is due to the fact they're a grey import outside of Japan and Malaysia, and thus relatively rare.
I see honda civic - I hit like :)
Stand between this and a Opel Corsa OPC for my part. Has such a hard time to decide :S
Honda is a lot better
@@golf1diesel Thanks for the input mate! 😊
Honda sure looks like a fun daily 😁
@@roundlake96 Better sound, reliability and more fun. Also Corsa is in Jazz's class. FN2 is bigger and more practical.
@@golf1diesel Maby time to swap my Vectra for one then as I mostly do highway speeds and do love the styling 😊
@@roundlake96 You won't be disappointed. Get a FN2 GT with cruise control.
My dream beautiful car 😁
My cycling roads pishill and hill road!
I'd love this car... But being young I cannot get insurance 😔
Used to have one and loved to drive it, hated being a passenger in it tho. Bumpy as fuck
👌👌👌
Owned one suspension is rock solid. Changing springs and tyres didnt help one bit. Brilliant on track horrible on normal roads
It's a Torsion beam not a twisted bar. I've owned both EP3 and FN2 cars and can comprehensively say that the FN2 is the better handling car at speed. Far more planted in the corners....although the drawback to this was very harsh ride quality, especially for rear passengers due to unsprung mass. The EP3 is far more compliant but suffers at high speed and can become slightly unstable when pushing on. Both great cars though.
Add a, limited slip diff and you have a complete car.
Never saw reviews made by girls except Vicky from 5th gear
sop right hand drive cars have the gear sequence one the left side?? How stupid is that! Left side drive have the gears start off on the left side. Makes more sense and feels more natural shifting
1. Ah, so this is where Vicky got to.
2. Why no Civic Estate for so many years? Honda abandoned so many customers..... would have loved a hot AWD Civic estate
Clutch release bearing is definitely not an easy fix, given that you have to take the k-frame out to get to the clutch in one of these
Yeah. I just had a brand new genuine clutch fitted and a month later its started making a groaning noise again on release. Good review this and agree with everything said. Only thing i dont like is the harsh ride quality and seat too high.
Any clutch work on these Civics are horrible. I have the diesel.
Worth more than that 2020 ugly R
The car which was stolen and luckily found again I believe.
Knew it was stolen. Didn't know they'd found it, good to hear!
You believe?
It’s such a shame they’re so expensive. They’re going for more than used Golf 6 GTI’s. I’d still murder for one though.
A championship edition is, but a normal fn2 type r are like 5-6k with under 80k miles, thats similarly priced to a mk5 gti.
Abdul Wahaab
Not in South Africa mate. Here, the 1.8 goes for the same as a Mk5 GTI, the 2.2i-CTDI like mine goes for a bit more, and the Type R equates to roughly £10000, which is a lot of money here.
The price is insane right noe
What do you mean?
I thought mine with 67k miles was low, this one has 20k! Lock it away 😁