Honda Civic Type R battle: EP3 & FN2 take on the 2015 car
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2015
- The Honda Civic Type R is a hot hatch icon with a cult following. So, with the new model arriving recently, Rebecca Chaplin gathered together its two predecessors to see how it has changed over the years.
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The EP3 is not the mk1. Its the mk2. And the FN2 is the mk3. The first is the EK9, which never sold outside of Japan officially. Looks like you really need to do some research.
Well if you listen to the video she clearly says the first type r to come to Europe, not first type r ever so stfu
She says Mark 1. You idiot.
+LongtailGT Not to mention quotes like it feels powerful, fast and secure... Really, its a Type R we know that already. Where are these people coming from? Wheres Steven Sutcliffe?
***** 0:30 m8
+LongtailGT she said in the video firsts to come to europe, not first one. actually watch the video rather then ust post a comment.
She said Type R's in EUROPE. Of course she isnt gonna mention the EK9
EK9 is a bit too old
Ek9 was not sold New in Europe
1:27 - 'you can really push it into the corners' *drives 1/2 mile away from the apex*
EP3 is still my favorite Civic Type R of all time. The EK is pretty cool with its B16B but I just love the K20.
@@guilletous89
In your opinion.
Wasn't feeling this review. Lot of details didn't make sense. Sit low in the EP3? Lol. She didn't really push the cars much either. Was this the channel Steve Sutcliffe was on? IDK man.
+future62 i just found a lack of enthusiasm for what could have been a good video
+future62 Nah Steve Sutcliffe is AUTOCAR. And I agree this review was crap. She's so scripted and awkward.
Sutcliffe is at autoexpress now! However I was hoping he was doing this video too
Really? I kinda feel like that's a bit of a downgrade though. To me AutoExpress isn't as interesting or on par quality-wise with their vids. That's a shame.....he betrayed his own!! haha
+future62 Yeah plus Hard Ride in the EP3? Its a LOT softer than the FN2 and even to some degree the new FK2. I don't think she knew what she was on about!
The new car was not 50% quicker, more like around 30%.
The old ones were 50% slower.
To be 50% quicker it would have to do 2.9secs.
agreed lol. She wasn't best at maths in school it seems
Yeah, I do not want to come out sounding like I'm nit picking and I never correct people on grammar errors but if the math is wrong then,well, I can't turn a blind eye to that lol.
It is a very common mistake though and an easy trap to fall into.
Christos Segkounas I like to correct people that are doing grammar mistakes as well, though. Lol. But this was just purely retarded mistake that might be easy to fall for, but doing a review and comparing specs you cannot get it wrong.
+Christos Segkounas get a girl friend
matt smith what does being able to calculate in percents got to do with relationships. Wtf, I guess you're butthurt cause you didn't know that she was wrong
No offence to the presenter but I'm getting tired of producers pushing women into car reviews. Most just lack any credibility.
I LOVE how the fn2 looks
please restore the quality of videos that earned you the 288,000 subscribers in the first place!
+997speedy Agreed! What is this shit?
come on man autoexpress been poor for some time now, even autocar is getting worse surprisingly motortrend has got much better. best channels are Chris Harris on cars, evotv and Harrys garage.
She's not the best at reviews
+William P eh i blame the editing for the most part, its abysmal
Hey!...a south floridian!...and a fellow driver!?...I drive from Holly Hill to Boca Raton making my deliveries,even into Lake Worth on Sundays and Thursdays only!...what a coincidence.
Riiiight Eric....you haven't examined my profile have you?...well if you wanna get stupid then I'm all in,LET'S GO!
Audiwan Kenobi aint nobody got time fo dat
I deleted my last comment because in reality I got mad respect for your ride...I ain't gonna trash talk with you because I can clearly see that you have passion for what you're doing......I also have a 2008 Acura MDX...you have alot of pictures and I can't deny that you care about your car....I stand down...
I just can't get over how it looks like a Prius with a massive spoiler on the back...
they should of done an acceleration test with the ep3 and fn2 when in vtech
I think the best CTR was the EK9. It was lighter by about 200 kg and had better handling and steering with its double wishbone suspension. Sure it wasn't much stock compared to these newer models but modified with a Spoon 1.8 engine and racing suspension it will probably lap faster than the newer Type R's
This is a bad review, the "original" type R is the EK9.
therefore there are 4 generations not 3
The ek9 was never sold in Europe/uk and had to be imported. So the ep3 was actually the original type -r in the uk
+Rhys Page (Widebeam70) irrespective of the review you have to acknowledge all generations
Larnelle Olkers true
she said, first to legally come to europe. shes right
Rebel Rhymes i never listen to what a woman has to say about cars but yh fn2 is more comfortable but ep3 is still a better type R as u feel the road more and better at corners in my opinion.
Jesus Christ, this review gave me heart burn.
The markIII has an unfortunate number plate....
lol Obey to VXR !
+Jonathan Jennings Lol true and the mark 2's number plate looks like it says REHAB lol
Doesn't matter if the new ones are faster. The ep3 was the best civic in my opinion and I prefer older ones such as the eg6 and ek9 over the modern civics.
And the original? What about the EK9?
"It feels super sporty" talking about the EP3.. I turned it off there.
can you get your words right pls ? is mk3 eudm civic typeR because there is also the ek9 the 1st gen civic typeR and the fd2 civic typer that run with the fn2 in the same year
Great story about TYP R !!!
good video but what happened to the ek9 type r
Ek9 is mk1. Any research involved in making this? Ep3 is quicker than fn2 , ek9 quicker to 60 than both
Reckon it makes more sense to drop a couple of G's into my 7th gen and keep the fun engaging element while upping performance to compete with the newer models.
I was hoping for a proper comparison with the 3 cars being driven in anger like they were designed to do.....
Looks interesxing. H i0 scattered young What's your opinion about thft ...
How do you work that Bluetooth in the ep3 I have that same one ? Anyone help me :)
hey where is the ek9 civic type r ?
i bet is the best n/a civic type r.
How about mentioning the turbo lag? Under 2500rpm, it takes about 1.5/2secs for it to spool up. Its a fun killer when I was driving the new Type R.
There’s no one home under 5k in the older ones though🤣
Wow...what a comparison!
I love it whenever she Changes gears...
EP3 original? Am I hearing things?
the new 2015 civic type r looks awesome it has alot to live up too hope it is as good as there saying
What happened to the EK?
Should still be in first gear at 20mph ;)
The Original was EK9 :/ It would have been nice to include it even though its rare.
where is this place?
I can be very short about this: I like all 3 of them ;)
Not seen one on the roads yet. I wish they got input from Honda engineers that worked on the nsx type-r. That exhaust would be gone for a start.
"That doesn't mean we can't get enough of the classics." So you soon had enough of it?
can someone tell me: whats the difference between the EP3 and the FN2? Ill appreciate it..
Hegovii The EP3 is widely considered to be the better car from a dynamic perspective as it has fully independent multi-link rear suspension) compared to the more simple and less effective torsion beam setup on the FN2) as well as being 60kg lighter. They both had basically the same K20 engine, slightly updated in the FN2, but with very similar outputs.
James Baggaley correct! ep3 has k20a2 and fn2 has basically the same engine like u said but twicked a little and named it k20z4😀
I actually liked the review, I thought she refred to EP3 as MK1 in Europe not as MK1 overall, but oh well and that is true first ever type R was EK 9 from my knowledge :)
Way to go, never thought Id watch a boring video about CTR :)
also get a freaking EK9 if you are going to compare older models
well i enjoyed it. Not as much depth as some but an interesting take on each car.
Hmm, now we have a fast 5 doors, what about putting it next to the good old (and a bit forgotten) Civic MB6 1.8 VTi. I wonder how the 90s Golf GTi 16v killer will come out of this confrontation :p
LOL at the new CTR's number plate = VXR
wasnt the ek9 sold in the uk ? if so this girls cluless
Why compare 20-60 times instead of 0-60 I wonder? I felt this could've been a great comparison if they were a bit more thorough
Only Honda kids would brag about "feeling the road" while being in a slow-ass car. Congrats on having nice feel while both running a 14-15 second quarter mile, if they're lucky, and being super slow around a circuit.
rustler08 having fun is more important than pure speed, sure you can brag about having a fast lap time, but at the end of the day you’re gonna be sad that your car doesn’t have what cars are meant to do, feel the road
@@CoolCoolPancakes Literally don't know where she plucked that from. You can certainly feel the road in the FK2 in comparison of having a EG6, EP3 & DC5 the FK2 i just leagues ahead in every department.
The original had the nicest shape, but the new one has the best design features like the front facia and rear spoiler
Ep3 original?
would have been nice if the ek9r was there
I hate the back wheel arches on the new type R the rear wheels just look like they dont fill the arches enough , maybe a lower the offset on a nice set of concave alloys would improve this but stock it just looks wierd
original the Ep3? How about Ek9? :D
Why not use the FN2 with LSD for comparing the three?
gotta love the number plate on the new one lol that aint a vauxhall
new type-r with a registration plate VXR got to have a chuckle at that
Why?
+Stefan Garaidh Because the VXR from Vauxhall is one of its biggest competitors!
But the ek9 is the original ctr?
Pretty happy with my FN2
I have a -08 1.8 vtec sport. Would love to get a Type-R. Its not much more expensive, but Im afraid the suspension would be too hard for the shitty roads in my coutry :/ If only you could get Type-R with comfort suspension :D
The funy thing is, you cannot break by left foot in new Type-r because it will cut off the turbo ;)
That type-R red 'H' badge on black body + black rims looks sexy and menacing as fuck!!!!!!!!!
It looks brutal in black the new one!
Europe missed out on the Ek9 type R too? now I don't feel so left out in the US haha.
Still quite a few over here though
What about the ek9
the ek9 was the first CTR and it was the best CTR until the new one came out
So i have one question, Where is the FD2 Civic Type-R? it was simply the best Civic Type-R of all time until this all new FK2 came out, but yet i still haven't seen a review or comparison of the two. Why?
+Dee T The FD2 is only sold in Japan and Malaysia.
+koopatroopa187 I'm aware of that, but I'm pretty sure Fd2 type-R's are in the United kingdom so I don't care whether or not it was not sold in that country there's example of them cursing Uk roads and therefore should have been included in this comparison, you can't act as if it doesn't exist.
Dee T Grey market imports don't count.
i see where your coming from, but at the end of the day the Grey imports or always better, in the cases of the EP3 & FD2 the JDM version of the EP3 was a faster more hardcore track focus car than its UKDM variant and has for the FD2 & FN2 the FN2 add no chance in hell.
Dee T And at the end of the day, grey markets still don't count for official correspondence since they were never officially sold in the country. Regardless if they're better or not.
they got the wrong Rebecca
They could find also EK9 for test..
And EDM version of EP3 also was softer, less powerfull etc. than JDM equivalent..
ehh..Japan always have the best for themselves..
Would have been cool to see the FD2
wait? no laptimes?
There aren't a few things right.... For example the ep3 is a little bit faster as the fn2 and it weights less. It's also faster as the fn2 in Corners! One of the differences between the fn2 and the ep3 is also that it has 201hp an the ep3 200hp, for expample. But the Ep3 stills one of the nices Type R's yet. I tested also the 2015 model a on the circuit a few months ago and I was't as much impressed by 310hp 400Nm. I found there's something missing and I guess that's the agressivity from the vtec up to 9500 rpms from the older versions.... everyone has his own opinions, please feel free to comment.
I Agree with you FN2 is slower than a Ep3
Although you left your comment long you are completely wrong. The fn2 weighs about 40 kilos more but made up for it with a more stiff suspension and chasis.. The acceleration favours the fn2 due to its shorter gearing. Honda is not going to make a new Type R unless it handles better and is faster in a straight line then its predecessor. I know Ep3 heads cannot handle that the Fn2 is even better at the one thing the ep3 is supposedly better lol.
@@Computercontrolled87 Doesnt matter what you think. You are wrong
What's the point of filming these 3 cars and not doing any accelerations to show us? No race or real racing drive was seen in this video...U can do better Auto Express
how come that 4s against 5,7s is 50% quicker? She could've said that the older one is almost 50% slower, though.
ok lets turbo my k20a type r ep3 and do this test again.let us not forget that the ep3 engine is almost 10 years old and it was just .1 slower than that fn2. incredible engine.
the EP3 isn't the original Type R Civic, that title belongs to the EK9. yes i know you had to import them but still, you should get your facts right
that acceleration test was pointles, of course the new car with the turbo would win. They should have do some sort of endurance test and compare which one would be closest to a racecar.
like the new civic type r but if turbocharged the old style and see what happens look at the 1.6vti turboed the car is a beast
20-60mph test in 2nd gear, what a surprise the new ones faster.... Even back in the day nobody did those kind of tests because it would of got beat by most of its competition. Instead do a max speed blast down a B road and see how they compare because i bet the old Type R would be more fun pinging off the limiter and screeching tyres round corners!
love the new type r but I just don't think it justifies the price
What's up, yo? It's really amazing value farm What do you think, guys... !!
3 type r.thats a dream.
The ek9 was the first type r so they were the 2nd 3rd and 4th generations
The ep3 is the most pure type r here. A couple of grand on breather mods and k pro remap will then compete with the fk2 civic.
Only 3 Type-R's? There's more than that...
The one time she doesn't do a dumb drag race, when it'd actually be interesting! really hope this was and ad for Honda, learned nothing I didn't already know.
Ek9 is my personal favorite
was really looking forward to this review, but she go over 20mph??
This is not going to go well for the FN2.... The FK2R should really be compared to the FD2R... The FK2 should be faster, but would it be more ***fun*** than the FD2R -- the previous ultimate civic type r?
Yet another review that doesn't highlight the glaring stupidity in the new CTR: it has a useless dual exhaust that adds weight for no purpose. This goes completely against the lightweight utility meaning of the Type R badge. Honda used to try and save every last gram as shown by the shifter boot of the NSX Type R.
Never understood the appeal of the EP3, considering the previous models were more affordable and are even more so today, I could think of so many more cars I'd rather spend my money on than the EP3 it's reaching the ridiculous A45 AMG in terms of price in its class
EP original Type R?
And the EK? 😅😂
Big fan of the new Type R. Can't wait for a head to head against the Focus RS
head and tail because I assure you the type r will be looking at its tail.
Like the new girl, like the review, like the fact we get free videos but hate the fact knob heads can comment.
Ouch!...what a way to issue a verbal smack down!
ur a knob
+Second Chance I agree with you mate ;)
Agree with the knobheads. I don't want to sound one, but dude, when someone claims that 4 seconds is 50% faster than 5 seconds, their credibility is to be questioned. Like this lady.
Why does eu have a different look when it comes to civics compared to the us or asian countries?
Just give the cars to Stig, James, Richard and Jeremy or Keiichi Tsuchiya....and please, send this woman into a shopping center...
That extra acceleration is not "because of the turbo", but because of the ONE HUNDRED EXTRA BHP. Of coure the Turbo has something to say there, but its not the point
With this three cars the producers could have done more, it is quite boring, do a race with the three cars, with the cars sound!!!! we want to hear the engines roarr! more action less bla bla bla
Bring the FD2R please.
where is the ek9 type R? Ep3 & fn2 have nothing on the little b16!