When Doctor Who's continuity is on point: The Trickster

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  • The Trickster's story crosses between spinoffs and connects to the Eternals and the Guardians
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  • @basherboo
    @basherboo 2 роки тому +3188

    This is my godfather! He's told me he loved being able to work with Tenant

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +272

      Paul Marc Davis is your godfather?

    • @basherboo
      @basherboo 2 роки тому +192

      @@PenneySounds Yes indeed!

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +286

      @@basherboo He also worked with Capaldi, didn't he? He seemed to be one of their go-to character actors.
      Am I right that they used the same prosthetic teeth for the Trickster as the ones he wore as the Futurekind in "Utopia"?

    • @basherboo
      @basherboo 2 роки тому +197

      @@PenneySounds I'm not sure. I know he played a timelord called trave who may have been in one of capaldis episodes but otherwise it would be a no as his main characters were the trickster who was basically just for Sarah Jane and then the utopia chieftan. Although I think you are correct that the original teeth of the trickster were the same as utopia I think they got changed out after a while

    • @basherboo
      @basherboo 2 роки тому +85

      @@PenneySounds if I remember rightly they may even have them on show at the doctor who exhibit in Wales

  • @mrmrmadlad9167
    @mrmrmadlad9167 Рік тому +2141

    The Trickster must have been FEASTING when River broke that fixed point in time by not shooting the Doctor and we got that weird ass chaos timeline.

    • @Dracandre
      @Dracandre Рік тому +501

      Maybe that's why he hasn't appeared in ages 😂My man is just full

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 Рік тому +153

      I never really understood why beings of chaos would destroy, destruction and death give way to order shouldn't they be aiming for creation and birth? More things tend to cause more chaos.

    • @DyslecticAttack
      @DyslecticAttack Рік тому +113

      ​@@Raximus3000 destruction gives space, space gets filled with noise, noise starts adhering to order. New things and creation gives the most chaos, but only when that new thing has the space. Otherwise a new thing will get absorbed into order, and make the order stronger. Even new creations of destruction will follow that pattern. Once you break through a glass ceiling, the next one is harder to break.
      So yes, new things bring chaos, but only to a ever limiting extend. But destruction, destruction assures a period of chaos, and makes it easier for the young new orders to be disrupted sooner.
      Hence why destruction brings better chaos than creation.

    • @unknownvalor9755
      @unknownvalor9755 Рік тому +25

      @@Raximus3000 I would think the perfect yin yang of chaos and order would be a snow flake. Random birth design of perfect order then ultimately melting away forever lost.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +70

      It depends if he can feast on chaos he didn't cause

  • @zci1265
    @zci1265 2 роки тому +1175

    Peter falling down the stairs looks like an advert for an insurance company lmao

    • @georgecampbellvideos3517
      @georgecampbellvideos3517 2 роки тому +115

      Have you had an accident that wasn't your fault? 🤣

    • @AzguardMike
      @AzguardMike 2 роки тому +77

      a trip or fall? Then call Injury lawyers for you now. We work on a no win, no fee claim. And you keep 100% of the compensation.

    • @Maryam-td6rj
      @Maryam-td6rj 2 роки тому +28

      I remember watching it when I was younger thinking it was the scariest thing ever! I properly believed him when he said he died from that fall. But I look at it now and it looks so tame 😂

    • @saphriaofhogwarts
      @saphriaofhogwarts 2 роки тому +7

      He should have had Life Alert.

    • @Jamiered18
      @Jamiered18 2 роки тому +1

      Reminds me of the IT Crowd 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 - ua-cam.com/video/ab8GtuPdrUQ/v-deo.html

  • @mspeter97
    @mspeter97 8 місяців тому +325

    it's amazing how SJA being basically a kids show ended up being a catalyst for a ton of classic who references

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  8 місяців тому +63

      Because of its lower budget, there are a lot of times when SJA felt a lot like classic Who. Particularly Tennant's episode, was was all set in one location. It felt like the Tenth Doctor starring in a 70s episode.

  • @jeffmoo9235
    @jeffmoo9235 2 роки тому +4408

    The Triskster's design is so raw I don't understand how they got away with making him look like that in a kids show

    • @robodoesedits8666
      @robodoesedits8666 2 роки тому +508

      because it wasnt really a kids show, sure it was aimed at kids and was hosted on CBBC but it did explore more mature themes and was more for teenagers aswell as doctor who fans, the amount of references between torchwood, doctor who and the SJA is reason enough to watch all of them and rewatch them to catch references that you didnt realise before

    • @jeffmoo9235
      @jeffmoo9235 2 роки тому +190

      @@robodoesedits8666 sure I get that, but it was on a childrens tv channel during the day, as well as being marketed to children with child main characters. There's a reason most british people around my age (16-17), including me, were "traumatised" by this show. Bradley Walsh in clown makeup haunts my nightmares.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +207

      @@jeffmoo9235 I mean, it's pretty mild compared to Doctor Who itself, which for some reason British people still call a children's programme.
      They even reused the false teeth for the Trickster from the much creepier looking character the same actor played in "Utopia"

    • @jeffmoo9235
      @jeffmoo9235 2 роки тому +42

      @@PenneySounds sure, people call doctor who a kids show but it isn't on a childrens tv channel in the middle of the day, and it's always advertised as to be watched with parents. sja was just straight marketed as just for kids, which it is not.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +35

      @@jeffmoo9235 It was more for teens. The Harry Potter audience.

  • @PenneySounds
    @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +1800

    I didn't even realise until I was making this that the Trickster is an Eternal. That when the Doctor called him an "eternal exile", that was literal. He even calls humans "ephemerals".

    • @ciaran_telfer_18
      @ciaran_telfer_18 2 роки тому +35

      Neither did I!

    • @echtoon
      @echtoon 2 роки тому +82

      It makes so much sense! I love it when the New Series touches on these older ideas.

    • @thecrimsonavenger5750
      @thecrimsonavenger5750 2 роки тому +20

      That’s crazy never thought he was an eternal

    • @Dalek_Scientist
      @Dalek_Scientist 2 роки тому +17

      What are the eternals?

    • @echtoon
      @echtoon 2 роки тому +152

      @@Dalek_Scientist God-Like beings who mostly appear in the Expanded Universe Stuff. They're to Time Lords what Time Lords are to human.

  • @WandG_Fan
    @WandG_Fan 2 роки тому +400

    I never realized that SJA was teasing The End of Time before we knew anything about it.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +157

      It had the advantage of having been filmed after. It was the last thing Tennant filmed as the character prior to returning for the 50th. But because it would release much earlier than his regeneration story, they could drop a tease like that in it.

    • @xenon8117
      @xenon8117 Рік тому +27

      @@PenneySounds Didn’t expect to be learning something new about those shows today.

  • @fluffyhales
    @fluffyhales 2 роки тому +2060

    If RTD brings the trickster back in his new era, that'd make my life tbh

    • @nathofmann8169
      @nathofmann8169 2 роки тому +41

      He's my favourite enemy

    • @nextgenkilla2140
      @nextgenkilla2140 2 роки тому +81

      that could make for a really sweet and satisfying send off to sarah jane. Bring her companions back one last time

    • @obiwankenobi687
      @obiwankenobi687 2 роки тому +44

      I am begging for RTD to bring back the trickster for absolutely no other reason than I want it turned into a figure. Either character or eaglemoss. I just need this guy in my house 🤣

    • @nextgenkilla2140
      @nextgenkilla2140 2 роки тому +48

      @@obiwankenobi687 I just thought. He could use the trickster to retcon the timeless child.

    • @dogswifty7800
      @dogswifty7800 2 роки тому +17

      @@nextgenkilla2140 RTD has already said he won't change anything Chibnall established in his run.

  • @Chubby_Bub
    @Chubby_Bub 2 роки тому +2285

    This video made me realize how much I'd like to see the Trickster return. It would have to be in a very behind the scenes way, of course, perhaps a season arc. Or maybe he's just in a box at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

    • @aelbion1453
      @aelbion1453 2 роки тому +54

      Ah, someone else has watched Farewell Sarah Jane!

    • @EternalPayne
      @EternalPayne 2 роки тому +49

      As much as I love Farewell Sarah Jane The Trickster being locked at the bottom of the ocean is just stupid, he's an interdimensional being so would he just go back to Limbo? besides just because he was locked away for 1000 years doesn't mean anything the Trickster is a higher being and can time travel so he could've easily went back in time for revenge as soon as he got out.

    • @isabelh5561
      @isabelh5561 2 роки тому +56

      The problem with the Trickster coming back is that his creator, Gareth Roberts, is a well known bigot at this point and given writers need to ask creators before using recurring characters (eg. Chibnall asking Russell before using the Judoon or asking Moffat for the Weeping Angels) I can’t see the BBC wanting to reach out to Roberts in any capacity. Even if it meant bringing back a fan-favourite villain.

    • @DayOldMeat
      @DayOldMeat 2 роки тому +18

      @@isabelh5561 I think it's a courtesy these days, unlike with characters like K9 or the Yeti, but that is a point.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +4

      @@isabelh5561 I doubt Davies considers Roberts to be a bigot

  • @PenneySounds
    @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +755

    The Trickster really needs to learn a thing or two from the Monks
    "You act out of fear. Fear is not consent."

    • @leeci33
      @leeci33 Рік тому +2

      That’s where I thought you were going with this. I kept thinking I would see Bill Potts and the Monks tied in somehow.

    • @leeci33
      @leeci33 Рік тому +1

      Very cool video! Blew my mind!

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +16

      ​@@leeci33 I can't see much connection between the Trickster and the Monks. The Monks probably wish they could actually change timelines like the Trickster does, instead of just manipulating people into believing everything has changed. And while the Trickster does require someone's agreement, he doesn't require consent, and has no issues with threatening and scaring and manipulating people into their agreement. The Monks require genuine consent out of love. It's an interesting concept, but not one I could really make a video from.

    • @123apacino
      @123apacino Рік тому +4

      Not only that but he made Angela choose as a child. A child and in fear of dying. Who wouldn't take that deal whe your seconds from death and your 13 year old mind has only seconds to think of the consequences.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +5

      ​@@123apacino Even Krizlok the Graske fell for a similar trick. Nothing like being in immediate mortal danger to make someone desperate enough to do something stupid.

  • @theweirdofengland
    @theweirdofengland 2 роки тому +745

    The Trickster was such a cool, mysterious, charismatic, underrated villain. There's so much you could do with the concept.

    • @nunbxtch
      @nunbxtch 11 днів тому

      exactly. it's paramount that he returns.

  • @trainsandscifi
    @trainsandscifi 16 днів тому +59

    The one who waits, is almost there

    • @GrdnLo
      @GrdnLo 9 днів тому +2

      *piano shuts*

  • @ciaran_telfer_18
    @ciaran_telfer_18 2 роки тому +592

    I loved the Torchwood inclusion. I always loved how Russel put that in.

    • @blaQI_roch
      @blaQI_roch 2 роки тому +4

      Which episode was that?

    • @adnandlala
      @adnandlala 2 роки тому +23

      @@blaQI_roch Series 4 Episode 7: Immortal Sins

    • @blaQI_roch
      @blaQI_roch 2 роки тому +1

      @@adnandlala , Thanks! /hero

    • @Lee-xm1xk
      @Lee-xm1xk 2 роки тому +5

      @@blaQI_roch thats their only mention in the episode btw

    • @blaQI_roch
      @blaQI_roch 2 роки тому +1

      @@Lee-xm1xk /high five

  • @thomasrobinson9148
    @thomasrobinson9148 2 роки тому +183

    i love tom baker pretending to go crazy with power to freak out romana. fucking hilarious

  • @zinoxechill
    @zinoxechill 2 роки тому +373

    That kinda explains "Turn Left" now, and why that random woman wanted The Doctor gone now

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +182

      I like to think that Donna was targeted because of what the Trickster learned from Sarah Jane. But it could just be that the Trickster's brigade are all over the place and they can sniff out people with potential to create chaos they can feed off of. Either way, they bit off more than they could chew with Donna, and I wish the Doctor had mentioned that to the Trickster when they finally met.
      Davies seems to really like the Trickster as a villain. I'm crossing my fingers that he'll do something super ambitious with the 60th special, and have the Trickster create a timeline in which the First Doctor never left Gallifrey, showing us each Doctor in sequence living an unremarkable Gallifreyan life, as the universe falls to pieces without them.

    • @custommediacreations
      @custommediacreations 2 роки тому +26

      @@PenneySounds that sounds epic, that would make an excellent story and especially a sixtieth anniversary special.

    • @zinoxechill
      @zinoxechill 2 роки тому +24

      @@PenneySounds Honestly they're either missing out or just saving the trickster, because think about it.
      In alot of the series/seasons theres always a big bad being built up, but the doctor hardly faces the Trickster's Brigade and The Trickster himself, itd be insane to see him in the show as a villain in a mega plot

    • @thecrimsonavenger5750
      @thecrimsonavenger5750 2 роки тому +2

      Right!! Because it was all part of the plan from the trickster!!

    • @thecrimsonavenger5750
      @thecrimsonavenger5750 2 роки тому +3

      @@zinoxechill agreed he’s never really faced the trickster one on one just in the wedding of Sarah Jane smith he faced him and had a brief chat

  • @pinstripe5487
    @pinstripe5487 Рік тому +165

    When telling Torchwood about the Void Ship in the episode "Army of Ghosts", he mentions the Eternals as well, saying they refer to the Void as 'the Howling'.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +49

      Which makes me think of "Love and Monsters" when they said the Doctor failed to save Elton's mother from a living shadow that escaped from "The Howling Halls". And here we have the Doctor saying he's fought the Trickster's shadows.

  • @deltahalo241
    @deltahalo241 2 роки тому +375

    I just noticed that wiping the Doctor from history was also the Great Intelligences' scheme in the Series 7 finale, sort of. It was more turning the Doctor's victories into defeats so probably not related to the Trickster, although one wonders if mayhaps the Great Intelligence found itself in the employ of the Trickster after its initial defeat and was sent out with the task of causing chaos in the Doctor's timestream.

    • @jeffmoo9235
      @jeffmoo9235 2 роки тому +57

      hell the great intelligences henchmen in that episode even look like the trickster

    • @ASS-tb3mq
      @ASS-tb3mq Рік тому +2

      @@jeffmoo9235 Yh but why didn’t the trickster show up in Doctor who is he scared of The Doctor or something

    • @famousstranger8468
      @famousstranger8468 Рік тому +1

      Unless the Trickster is the great intelligence

    • @lordsathariel4384
      @lordsathariel4384 Рік тому +9

      @@ASS-tb3mq i think its more the trickster aint got a body alot of his plans work on manipulation the only thing he could possibly offer the doctor wouldent work cus the doctor is fully aware of who and more exactly what the trickster is if your ancient as hell nearly as old as the unvierse would you try and go vs a guy who killed his own species along with half of the universe in the time war and is willing to at his worst commit multiple genocides or would you aim to manipulate people who are below the age of 100 basically infants on a galactic timescale. Plus its been hinted the trickster does keep track of the doctor's travels which means he is aware who the doctor has defeated over his life so he knows the doctor has taken on old one's the eternals and many other dark times or pre universe beings he even took out the supposed devil of creation if you saw a guy running around dressed like a nutter running around taking out your equals and people 100x stronger then you woulden't you play it safe

    • @ThePsycoDolphin
      @ThePsycoDolphin 7 місяців тому +1

      Personally think the GA and the Trickster are probably part of the same species of pre-universal Lovecraftian Abominations, or at least, the Trickster is an extremely powerful rouge Eternal who decides to take the Eternal's games much, much further, and perhaps worships the Old Ones and their methods. The Pantheon of Discord could be an alternate name for the Great Old Ones, and the similarity in methods to both the Celestial Toymaker and Fenric (in their use of games, tricks and playing with people for their own ends) rather firmly stamps him in their vamp IMO.
      I love the Doctor Who universe. Who would have thought this Saturday night family show would have produced such a menagerie of wonderful gods and demons, and that a fuckinh CBBC kids show would produce one of the vilest and best of them.

  • @jessicaxnne
    @jessicaxnne Рік тому +179

    The trickster was hands down one of the scariest villains, and he wasn’t even in Doctor Who!

    • @ASS-tb3mq
      @ASS-tb3mq Рік тому +23

      He was actually there was a wanted poster for him in series 8 during capaldi era and tenth Doctor said he faced members of trickster team during series 4

    • @toukoenriaze9870
      @toukoenriaze9870 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@@ASS-tb3mqbut it was never there ... Just passing stories

  • @Cyber_Smoke
    @Cyber_Smoke 2 роки тому +172

    The Trickster episodes were probably some of the best stuff to come out of sarah jane adventures aswell as Androvax.

  • @Reirek
    @Reirek Рік тому +314

    the trickster was such a cool villain. It sucks that we never saw him more outside of SJA, but the brief mentions in the main show and in Torchwood is still so cool. I'd love to see him again

  • @owlamancer
    @owlamancer 13 днів тому +19

    7:53 "The Toymaker would approve" I would say foreshadowing but this is Chibnails era

  • @mahfuzurchowdhury2765
    @mahfuzurchowdhury2765 2 роки тому +194

    The trickster is such an incredible character, worthy of the main show

  • @Surfboarder4
    @Surfboarder4 14 днів тому +25

    this video might need an update in 5 weeks

  • @firetarrasque4667
    @firetarrasque4667 5 місяців тому +23

    I love the idea that every eldritch beast in Doctor Who ends up knowing each other, somehow.
    Like that short story where Fenric and the Toymaker played a game of chess!
    (They tied, by the way. Fenric was pretty upset, but the Toymaker found it quite entertaining.)

  • @doodoo5594
    @doodoo5594 2 роки тому +86

    villains who desire chaos are often interesting because their goal is very simple and allows for a lot of flexibility when it comes to characterisation, so its easier to make them interesting

  • @AuroraButterflyx
    @AuroraButterflyx 15 днів тому +26

    If the trickster is not the one who waits or at the very least not involved with Ruby's history (like being her mum) I going to want a refund or a stern word with Russell

    • @wispa1a
      @wispa1a 15 днів тому +4

      No.
      Delivered her from the pantheon.

  • @Baroo_Baroo
    @Baroo_Baroo 5 місяців тому +16

    THE ONE WHO WAITS

  • @oricalu448
    @oricalu448 2 роки тому +242

    The tricksters brigade is the only thing in the main show and both RTD spinoffs. No other enemy appeared in all 3.

    • @maniraptavia4008
      @maniraptavia4008 2 роки тому +17

      That's super interesting! I certainly can't think of any examples. Not enemies, but Arcanteenians appear in SJA and Torchwood, but not Doctor Who as far as I'm aware. Is there anything else only the spinoffs share?

    • @dominickeijzer5844
      @dominickeijzer5844 2 роки тому +20

      @@maniraptavia4008 The TARDIS. Of course, it only appeared in audio in Torchwood, but it counts.

    • @maniraptavia4008
      @maniraptavia4008 2 роки тому +3

      @@dominickeijzer5844 Yeah, I was thinking that, but for the life of me I couldn't remember if it was any more then Gwen standing amongst flying papers, but I guess not.

    • @dominickeijzer5844
      @dominickeijzer5844 2 роки тому +3

      @@maniraptavia4008 I mean, there was the noise.

    • @maniraptavia4008
      @maniraptavia4008 2 роки тому +1

      @@dominickeijzer5844 True

  • @OriqinLCinema
    @OriqinLCinema Рік тому +13

    All the trickster had to do was to go into peoples homes and steal just their left shoes. Chaos for years

  • @ASS-tb3mq
    @ASS-tb3mq Рік тому +489

    It’s genuinely crazy how we haven’t seen the trickster since 2009 technically series 8 since he had a little cameo but seriously he’s easily one of the best villains
    I just watched Torchwood and his brigade by Jack in Miracle Day idk how he never came across Jack but Sarah Jane but hey I’ll leave it to the writers to forget

    • @_harkness_props_models3897
      @_harkness_props_models3897 Рік тому +2

      When in series 8?

    • @digitaldeathsquid3448
      @digitaldeathsquid3448 Рік тому +27

      IIRC an SJA script for Series 5 was going to bring The Trickster back for the finale. Sadly it was never used due to the untimely death of Elisabeth Sladen

    • @NotAgnor
      @NotAgnor Рік тому +4

      Where was the trickster in series 8?

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +33

      In Time Heist, Psi projects a series of criminal records on a wall. They flash by really fast, but the Trickster is one of them. I use part of the clip in my Dalek Tales video because there's a character from the comics that appears among them as well and is featured in Dalek Tales

    • @Howyaduing
      @Howyaduing Рік тому +15

      They could’ve made the entire series of Miracle Day base on the Trickster causing chaos around the Earth by taking away Death.

  • @danielkiran8174
    @danielkiran8174 13 днів тому +9

    Holy shit, it would make sooo much sense to bring him back right now.

  • @EnglishInfidel
    @EnglishInfidel Рік тому +24

    "Oh so scary for a kids show"
    Lots of people out here obviously never experienced the terror of The Demon Headmaster growing up and it shows.

  • @Angru_Zyruvyan
    @Angru_Zyruvyan 5 місяців тому +42

    "My legions are coming."
    - The Toymaker, Doctor Who and the Giggle
    It's probably unlikely, but imagine if it's the Trickster and his Brigade...

    • @guy3854
      @guy3854 5 місяців тому +3

      The new disney plus trailer looks like it actually could have the trickster in!

    • @DuelaDent52
      @DuelaDent52 5 місяців тому

      Sadly, I doubt they’ll ever bring the Trickster back given he’s a creation of Gareth Roberts.

    • @DarkInception
      @DarkInception 2 місяці тому +1

      @@DuelaDent52RTD stated in an interview that certain pantheons will be returning. So I’m highly inclined to believe he’s referring to the Pantheon of Discord. I hope we see Trickster again, there’s so much you can do with a character as powerful as he is.

    • @brettjohnson536
      @brettjohnson536 17 днів тому

      The new episode confirms they're bringing back to pantheon, so it's possible!

    • @Wazszsa
      @Wazszsa 15 днів тому +1

      Okay so after watching the newest episode, the music that first comes out of ruby is the same as the Tricksters theme, a unique and somewhat forgotten tone, but it’s funny when you write down all the similarities/connections so far and then cross ref with TSJA trickster stuff… either it’s a HUGE reach, or a flippin HUGE connection.

  • @ShuTheIdiot
    @ShuTheIdiot 2 роки тому +63

    Bruh I had no idea it went this deep.

  • @jademann9994
    @jademann9994 13 днів тому +10

    With the Pantheon, it would be a great time to bring the trickester back

  • @JoiIsakYT
    @JoiIsakYT 13 днів тому +7

    It's nice when writers of a long-running show are fans or grew up with said show

  • @macyvandeusen6611
    @macyvandeusen6611 Рік тому +25

    At 8:37, we hear The Doctor's theme as composed by Murray Gold. When I watch this episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures, this moment always sends chills up my spine.

  • @ChrisKeziahHyde
    @ChrisKeziahHyde Рік тому +60

    Timestamps of where each clip comes from
    0:00 - Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    2:46 - Turn Left (Doctor Who)
    5:04 - Immortal Sins (Torchwood)
    6:38 - Wedding of Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    6:55 - Enlightenment (Classic Doctor Who)
    7:28 - Can You Hear Me? (Doctor Who)
    7:53 - The Celestial Toymaker (Classic Doctor Who)
    8:03 - Wedding of Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    8:43 - The Armageddon Factor (Classic Doctor Who)
    9:44 - Wedding of Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    10:04 - The End of Time (Doctor Who)
    10:10 - Wedding of Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    10:36 - - Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    11:29 - Wedding of Sarah Jane (Sarah Jane Adventures)
    12:00 - Mawdryn Undead (Classic Doctor Who)

  • @robodoesedits8666
    @robodoesedits8666 2 роки тому +90

    one of doctor who's main villians should've been the trickster and i think RTD is going to explore the trickster more in the new era, he's had many years to think up new ideas

  • @elonmusk6654
    @elonmusk6654 2 роки тому +32

    Lol Tom Baker with the Key of Time was hilarious. He just didn't give a shit and mocked it.

  • @Luc.Hewett
    @Luc.Hewett 2 роки тому +65

    The doctors mention of Changelings in The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith was a reference to an interactive game called Attack of the Graske from 2006

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +24

      The shadows could refer to the thing that killed Elton's mother in "Love And Monsters"
      DOCTOR: There was a shadow in your house. A living shadow in the darkness. An elemental shade had escaped from the Howling Halls. I stopped it, but I wasn't in time to save her. I'm sorry.
      "Howling Halls" could bring things back around to the Eternals again:
      DOCTOR: This is a Void Ship.
      YVONNE: And what is that?
      DOCTOR: Well, it's impossible for starters. I always thought it was just a theory, but it's a vessel designed to exist outside time and space, travelling through the Void.
      RAJESH: And what's the Void?
      DOCTOR: The space between dimensions. There's all sorts of realities around us, different dimensions, billions of parallel universes all stacked up against each other. The Void is the space in between, containing absolutely nothing. Imagine that. Nothing. No light, no dark, no up, no down, no life, no time. Without end. My people called it the Void. The Eternals call it the Howling. But some people call it Hell.

  • @david88esteban
    @david88esteban 24 дні тому +14

    Hope the Trickster returns with the whole Pantheon!

  • @BCA-Productions
    @BCA-Productions 9 місяців тому +14

    these continuity edits are an incredible work of love. very impressive and so great to be able to sit back and enjoy the tour

  • @rnadomj
    @rnadomj Рік тому +36

    This makes me really want The Trickster or something related to it to be the next big antagonist. Feels like it’s had a lot of really good subtle build up over the years.

  • @PenneySounds
    @PenneySounds  Рік тому +27

    I didn't expect that just changing the thumbnail of a nearly year old video would make it hit the algorithm like this. But it seems it's being recommended to a lot of people who don't know about The Sarah Jane Adventures or Torchwood. Hopefully this will lead to people checking out more of the wider Whoniverse than just the regular episodes of the main series.

    • @Theunknownone58
      @Theunknownone58 Рік тому

      Popped up for me today lol

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +1

      Every couple weeks there's another huge surge to this video but not to the others in this series, so here's the playlist for those who haven't seen the other videos:
      ua-cam.com/play/PLvHBrKjnqU7lZdRrJirLqCR7jMFAnfG1c.html

    • @shannonsmith924
      @shannonsmith924 12 днів тому

      I still am looking to find the Sarah Jane adventures on dvd. The series was so good. They had it on prime for a while then got rid of it

  • @vaporwingfauxmcloud1190
    @vaporwingfauxmcloud1190 5 місяців тому +15

    Even the Toymaker fears the Trickster... that's what he meant by "That's someone else's game" ❤

    • @Baroo_Baroo
      @Baroo_Baroo 5 місяців тому +4

      The one who waits?

  • @oliverbaxter4952
    @oliverbaxter4952 22 дні тому +12

    I really think, hes the one who waits

    • @jellybabiesarecool4657
      @jellybabiesarecool4657 18 днів тому +1

      My prediction is the Trickster is the "oldest one" who was respondible for Ruby being dropped of as a baby, and that Sutekh is the one who waits

  • @snickerboi3723
    @snickerboi3723 7 днів тому +3

    He is truly THE ONE WHO WAITS

  • @gf1006
    @gf1006 Рік тому +17

    Trickster has an extremely good design, very well characterised. Terrified me as a kid

  • @user-hd9nc7zp1v
    @user-hd9nc7zp1v 20 днів тому +13

    The Pantheon of Discord and Pantheon in 2024. I wonder? 😲😯

    • @guy3854
      @guy3854 19 днів тому

      I realllly hope he returns!

    • @jellybabiesarecool4657
      @jellybabiesarecool4657 18 днів тому +3

      Watch him be the "oldest one" who was responsible for Ruby being dropped off as a baby

    • @KraZ-et6kl
      @KraZ-et6kl 15 днів тому +2

      @@jellybabiesarecool4657 especially with the memory changing with that finger pointing

  • @brettrigby2226
    @brettrigby2226 Рік тому +17

    that man deserves an award for his acting and to think, that was a KIDS show! mental! has a genuine presence makes your hairs on your arms stand on end

  • @lord_egg
    @lord_egg 14 днів тому +4

    See when people state that there is no continuity in Doctor Who, all you need to do is point to these videos.

  • @azdickinson4430
    @azdickinson4430 4 місяці тому +6

    You'll have to add the new toymaker stuff....I really enjoyed this, well put together. Thanks

  • @jacobgame2757
    @jacobgame2757 2 роки тому +49

    I was always aware of the Trickster popping up and was always interested by the Eternals but I never realised the Tricker was part of the Eternals. I really love this subplot. If only Chibnul expanded into this instead of creating the Division.
    Also, I'm not sure if this is relevant but I feel like the Shakri could also be a break off from the Eternals. They also exist outside of time and manipulate the universe. If you want reference, watch The Power of Three from 33:53

  • @jayduffy5532
    @jayduffy5532 Рік тому +19

    The trickster is the one character in all of dr who that we as fans know nothing about besides what they have told us we also know nothing of their true motives or goals besides what they have done already

  • @r0bw00d
    @r0bw00d 2 роки тому +31

    Damn it, why did Lizzie have to die so young? We need more SJA in our lives!

  • @Edboimck
    @Edboimck 2 роки тому +16

    russell really liked the tricksters character which brings me great hope that he'll be returning!

  • @ChrisWelch97
    @ChrisWelch97 18 днів тому +7

    I think it’s The one who left baby ruby by the church 👀

  • @travelwell6049
    @travelwell6049 2 роки тому +50

    Would be nice to see Rani, Clyde and/or Luke to see how they continued.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +18

      There are some interesting references to Clyde and Rani in the video game "The Lonely Assassins". Apparently Clyde turned his experience with homelessness into a lifelong vocation to help the homeless. And I think he's still trying to find "Ellie". Rani was who Larry Nightingale ended up sharing his Wester Drumlins story with and you can read her article about it in the game. I highly recommend playing it.

  • @TheFlatCapFromWN5
    @TheFlatCapFromWN5 8 місяців тому +15

    The Trickster would be welcome to Doctor Who as a main villain. By far and away, one of the most fascinating characters of all. Imagine how good it would be for the 14th Doctor to face off against The Trickster.

  • @maxkennedy7430
    @maxkennedy7430 2 роки тому +23

    I hope the Trickster’s Brigade shows up in RTD’s new Era.

  • @zyper4
    @zyper4 2 роки тому +5

    These are fantastic videos thank you for making them!

  • @Uajd-hb1qs
    @Uajd-hb1qs 6 місяців тому +3

    The trickster talking about what chaos would be unleashed if the doctor never existed but honestly, his existence is pretty chaotic as is.

  • @Eam4375
    @Eam4375 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much. You’ve gained a subscriber with this on point video. Hopefully the return of the Toymaker in the 60th makes way for some more incredible continuity.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  Рік тому +1

      I've got lots more videos like it, and more in mind.

    • @wizardbrandon3544
      @wizardbrandon3544 7 місяців тому

      I don't even know who the toymaker is, I really hope they explain it a bit for us new whoers

  • @kingmuizz708
    @kingmuizz708 2 роки тому +4

    Man I love old era Who and SJA. Thanks for making the vid bro!!

  • @gazzadona
    @gazzadona 18 днів тому +8

    He’s on his way as rubys song is so similar to his

  • @lyss010387
    @lyss010387 4 місяці тому +1

    Oh man, I'm so grateful you added the Torchwood s4 part. What a dark season.... but sooooo fkin good.

  • @maniaccop3403
    @maniaccop3403 12 днів тому +4

    People think that he is "the one who waits" but I have a different argument
    I think he is the person who left Ruby at the church. The costume is very similar, and there are a lot of hints towards Ruby being something more than human. As for the one who waits? Probably Sutekh or Omega. I'd make an argument for the Beast or Rassilon, but they feel too recent, and I don't see why Rassilon would pose such a problem for the Toymaker given that he absolutely demolished the master

    • @TheRantingCynic
      @TheRantingCynic 10 днів тому +3

      Agreed. I currently think if Tricky's involved he's more a contender to be The Oldest One, with The One Who Waits being someone/thing else (like a Classic villain).

  • @johnnysizemore5797
    @johnnysizemore5797 Рік тому +9

    The way I see it is that the "Trickster" needs Sarah Jane as a latch pin of sorts to get at The Doctor so thanks to Sarah Jane's friend he was able to get "his" hooks into the Doctors "timeline" of sorts, now this is where it gets a little "timey wimmey" on it he uses Jane as a lence to get to the Current Doctor then uses him as a "line starter" and goes backwards all the way to when he's first introduced in the Doctor Who Universe it's a brilliant plan and there's no real way that the Doctor can stop him unless he can save Sarah Jane then maybe we have to watch the current run and see...

  • @TripleJumpYTP
    @TripleJumpYTP 2 роки тому +14

    I hope that RTD brings back the trickster in his new era

  • @mattevans4377
    @mattevans4377 14 днів тому +4

    "The Toymaker would approve"
    oh for f*ck's sake!

  • @GivozLegacy
    @GivozLegacy Рік тому +15

    I'd love to see the Tricksters Brigade explored more.

  • @BMJgunner
    @BMJgunner Рік тому +29

    Honestly, the trickster episodes were so damn good

  • @LinkTheFusky
    @LinkTheFusky 24 дні тому +4

    Here before he’s back,

  • @ReiyneFall
    @ReiyneFall 12 днів тому +1

    I love his little sad face when he says he looks a bit lonely xD

  • @Dyundu
    @Dyundu 6 місяців тому +2

    Really looking forward to seeing how much of this could play into the Toymaker’s return

  • @Thumbnailsquid5767
    @Thumbnailsquid5767 2 роки тому +33

    I’d love to meet more eternals in new who. We’ve only met around 4

  • @allsparkwarrier
    @allsparkwarrier 7 місяців тому +3

    The number of times I've watched both Doctor Who and Sarah Jane Adventures, I never connected that the Trickster was talking about the gate in the episode the end of time

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  7 місяців тому +1

      They had the advantage that this story was written after that one. Tennant had almost completely finished filming for "The End of Time", except for a few effects shots. So they could drop in some foreshadowing.

  • @Ri-XBlazer
    @Ri-XBlazer 5 днів тому +2

    A: "They taste like oysters"
    B: "You didn't-
    A: "I had too, I was trying to be polite"
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @shannonclark8313
    @shannonclark8313 Рік тому +4

    The trickster for me was the scariest “monster” second only to weeping angles

  • @AngelArtists
    @AngelArtists 6 місяців тому +5

    If RTD needs to bring back one villain to new Who, it should be the TRICKSTER. He should replace the Master to be the Doctor's most feared enemy!

    • @david88esteban
      @david88esteban 5 місяців тому

      Yes, his brigade was so brutal on the Turn Left episode, his minion almost killed the Doctor and all his allies on modern Earth!

  • @goldenkingyo
    @goldenkingyo 3 місяці тому +3

    “Who are you?”
    “Voldemort’s brother”

  • @Enivri
    @Enivri 8 місяців тому +6

    They need to bring the trickster into a main story for the doctor.

  • @nathofmann8169
    @nathofmann8169 2 роки тому +14

    Wow that went quite deeper than I thought!!

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +3

      It goes deeper than I'm quite sure how to make sense of. What's the Trickster's connection with the Black Guardian? I don't know. But there certainly seems to be one.

    • @GenGaara
      @GenGaara 2 роки тому +1

      @@PenneySounds You know how in like Greek Mythology when the God's pissed about they'd create other mythological creatures? They made creatures out of clay, some formed from the flesh cut from their body, some from unholy intimacy, like Cyclops, Centaurs, Sirens etc.
      My head canon is its a bit like that. The God's being the Guardians of Time and the Eternals being their demi-god like children created in one way or another. Then The Pantheon of Discord are all specifically the bastard children of the Black Guardian created by him either accidentally or on purpose over his unimaginably long life. Chaos creates discord. Then obviously the brigade are beings or creatures that the Trickster has recruited over the years to help him with his schemes.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому +3

      ​@@GenGaara Could be. "Can You Hear Me?" was a nice return to these discussions about immortal beings in the Whoniverse. Maybe there will be more.

    • @EternalPayne
      @EternalPayne 2 роки тому

      @@PenneySounds actually Zellin and Rakaya were Eternals according to a book about the Dark Times that got released during the Time Lord Victorious stuff

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds  2 роки тому

      @@EternalPayne He refers to Eternals as "they", suggesting he isn't himself one. But these things are all very vague.

  • @suburbohemian
    @suburbohemian 2 роки тому +13

    When you'd really love the crossover, and see Q and the Q Continuum in conflict with the Eternals.

    • @potsdam28
      @potsdam28 2 роки тому +3

      Id rather see Q face the Black Guardian.

  • @EGGPLAYUH420j9
    @EGGPLAYUH420j9 8 місяців тому +5

    The trickster is the only villain from a spin-off I’d want to come to the main show

  • @henrietta9394
    @henrietta9394 11 місяців тому +1

    This unlocked a memory I forgot I had, the trickster gave me nightmares as a kid 😭

  • @zacbob1149
    @zacbob1149 12 днів тому +2

    The fact that they got away with showing Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane Smith, one of the darkest episodes of a kids show, is wild!

  • @Abravado
    @Abravado Рік тому +9

    she is and always be the DoctorDonna

  • @FRADAVE01
    @FRADAVE01 6 місяців тому +3

    And now David ((as Number 14) will finally battle The Toy Maker! Perhaps this can lead to Ncuti's Doctor to fight the rest of the Pantheon of Discord!

  • @Clonest
    @Clonest 10 місяців тому +2

    9:00 Tom Baker channeling the same energy of Every major villian in the shoiw 😅

  • @StrangerOnTheWeb
    @StrangerOnTheWeb 10 днів тому +1

    Man as goofy as sja was it had some really deep and mature writing for a kids show, I wish we got more 😢

  • @soulvey
    @soulvey 2 роки тому +5

    I would LOVE to see the Trickster come back

  • @pavlezakaidze
    @pavlezakaidze Рік тому +5

    Damn what a time it was to be a kid. Great memories watching this villainous masterpiece.

  • @tome_1701
    @tome_1701 Рік тому +2

    It was really cool when he was mentioned in torchwood, I never expected that to happen tbh.

  • @Dreamprism
    @Dreamprism Рік тому

    Nice compilation! 🎉

  • @kieran4215
    @kieran4215 2 роки тому +20

    I genuinely thought that the gate was the regeneration of ten I didn't think of the immortality gate

    • @lucifersdevilishdetails.
      @lucifersdevilishdetails. Рік тому +1

      Fun fact this was film after the end of time
      the wedding of Sarah Jane was the last scenes David filmed as the doctor till 2013.

    • @kieran4215
      @kieran4215 Рік тому +1

      @@lucifersdevilishdetails. oh I know that probably why I love that episode that much but thank you 👍

  • @michael.471
    @michael.471 Рік тому +3

    I cannot believe Trickster was made for CBBC. Like it is a legit unnerving design. Do wish he crossed over to Doctor Who.

  • @JonnyB1982
    @JonnyB1982 Рік тому

    whew, Donna's scream literally gave me chills up my spine!

  • @jayeywayey
    @jayeywayey 5 днів тому +1

    this has aged PERFECTLY thank you algorithm for bringing me here xddd