Reminds me of this quote from M.A.S.H. Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye? Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe. Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
one of MASH's best ever quotes along with "anger turned inwards is depression, anger turned sideways is Hawkeye" Except Hawkeye isnt almost 3000 years old and thought he murdered his whole race!
Arguably my favourite line in this is "You're not superior to people who were cruel to you, you're just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to people, who will end up being cruel to you!" I don't know why but repetition, man, it works
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 Old Testament God wouldn’t forgive though, he would kill them all. Old Testament God and New Testament God are like completely different beings.
@@jamesmayle3787 why do you people always crawl into places like this unprompted? Humans don't need god to be good. These days I see far more evil done in god's name than anything else. Keep your religion and faerie tales to yourself.
Line that got me: "...Untill everyone does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning; Sit down and talk..." Fact is all wars end with diplomacy, and equally they could all be averted through it. Love this speech to pieces.
@@5678sothourn I mean, it technically did. The unconditional surrender of Germany was 'negotiated' by what little was left, they didn't fight till everyone is dead.
@@jamesiyer4937 I think it works better when the disagreement involves lots of people dying though. The section: "Because its always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who is going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn." is pretty powerful imho.
Would you agree that this also applies to African Americans with the "n" word, that if they forgave slave owners, peace would come ? I think so, but it's such a touchy subject. Edit: 2 years too late to edit this comment but I agree with all of you.
@@thetwelfthdoctor9892 there is no 13. I'm still waiting for the 13th doctor. And don't you dare accuse me of gender bias, it has nothing to do with gender - she's an awful actress and the show is PURELY pushing an agenda and nothing more. The show isn't Doctor Who anymore, it's "Notes from the extreme left in the form of a dramatic fantasy". DOWN WITH CHIBNALL!
@@geegeetomlinson2316 Did you really just have an argument in the same breath as your opening statement with someone who hadn't even addressed or acknowledged you?
Geegee Tomlinson no Jodie Whittaker isn’t a bad actress, she just has bad scripts and cardboard cutouts for companions edit: this comment was based on third hand knowledge of whittaker's acting skills, ignore it
@@panose6542 I'm still not sure if I should watch the new seasons I feel like I'll be disappointed because doctor who is an amazing show and the doctor and the writing make the show so if neither are good as everyone says then I'm hesitant to watch it.
@@Schtauffen04 I can't unhear that Dalek growl anymore. Holy shit. The "Good Dalek" was right. I knew I was a little biased against Capaldi at first, and it slowly changed by the time we got to Ashildr and his reasoning for picking that face. And this scene was a masterstroke. This made me fully accept this was a worthy regeneration. This was peak deconstruction and reconstruction of the Doctor. Showing that despite all the shortcomings The Doctor can make, all the difficult choices and rageful split second actions that change him for better or worse, beneath all of it is a man who swore to save rather than slaughter. And he fights because he knows if he can get other people to see how he sees everything, so much more can be saved. Like Capaldi also said in another speech, "What I do, I do because it's right!" A man so impassioned to preserve and protect life even if it comes at cost to him but still keeps pushing because he knows where he stands and knows what he must do. Moffat struck a goldmine in having Capaldi flesh out our favorite Time Lord even further beyond what came before.
"I let Clara Oswald get inside my head. Trust me, she doesn't leave." This line is really sad when you realize how the Doctor and Clara actually parted ways, with the Doctor losing his memories of Clara. She left his head.
Even still, she never fully did. He even played her theme on his guitar and told her story to her. It goes to show, he never fully forgot her, even when he should have.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
You know what I love about Capaldi? You can see EVERY Doctor in him. Even here for example, I see them all even War Doctor. They're all there, it makes Doctor Who feel realer somehow when you see them all in one, because that's the magic of the show. They all are there, just with a different face on the outside
I love the way his voice changes too. It's more noticeable when he's mocking them "Bonnie sweetheart" sounds like a 11 thing and "fingers on buzzers" definitely sounded like something 10 would do. But throughout the entire speech there are points where his voice fills with something more than emotion. It's knowledge and experience from 400 years spent believing he burned his planet. In that moment you feel all the post time war doctors. The War Doctor and his willingness to go through with it, 9 and how he was so brash until he met Rose and felt excitement again, 10 and his regret over it all, 11 and how he tried to move on and be silly all culminating in 12. The Doctor who has accepted it all into him and is capable of being the doctor and the warrior. Thankfully he has companions to pull him back when he goes to far.
Thus why I heavily dislike Jodie's Doctor. Capaldi carried every single Doctor on his back. He was the 1st. He was the 4th. He was the 10th. He was all of them. And you could feel that. Especially here. You could feel the age. Feel the pain. 13 doesn't feel like this.
i love how kate is the one who closes the box first. she has read all the doctors file and heard all the stories. she understand the doctor just as well as any companions.
And the best part is she makes the same choice every single time the Doctor tries to give that speech. If you remember, he says that she always said that same thing the last "fifteen times." He wiped her mind every single time because he knows she is truly good and though she may get pushed into feeling the need to defend humanity on a drastic scale, she would never have actually pushed the button. He keeps wiping her mind, even at the end, because he knows he doesn't have to worry about her or her intentions. The speech wasn't for Kate, it was for Zygella. It's possible he keeps her mind wiped because he doesn't want her to see him like he was in that room, that or he wanted to keep the idea of the failsafe between the two sides intact. Either way, he trusts her and knows he can continue to do so regardless of whether or not she has all of the details of what happened.
there's another thing; she'd have heard her father's stories. The real ones, the dark ones. The ones soldiers tell on those long nights of the soul. I suspect Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart had seen a lot. And remember ; Kate makes the effort to know the NAMES of the soldiers under her command. She doesn't spend their lives recklessly
The fact neither Peter nor Jenna received any major awards for their work in this episode - and not to mention Heaven Sent and Hell Bent - was unforgivable.
@@charlestdennis2797 I know you were quoting from this speech which like you is arguably my favorite speech. I was referring to the original commenter who i wasn't sure if they were praising Heaven sent and hell bent or criticizing it. On second read, I see they were praising it
I love his facial expression when she says "we've been treated like cattle" "Eh, so what." "we've been left to fend for ourselves." "ehh so has everyone."
NOTHING is fair, just balanced. As one matures, they'd have to learn to take the good with the bad. No matter how 'good' we think we are, consequences for 'doing the right thing' is inevitable.
@@bittersprout3694 but think of those whose life is unfair beyond compare, not by choice but forced by others. If you are constantly downtrodden and then those who do so tell you life just isn't fair, when everytime you sit down and do talk ... you just get dismissed and ignored ... These are the situations where the speech of the doctor falls short. This is where I would actually go to a lecture of Jesus. If you get hit, brace the other cheek. But if they hit you again, hit back. Because otherwise you will just be hit until they are satisifed or you are dead. And just like Ghandi as a person and his pacifism had really dark nuances many don't know, just being the forgiving one, the one on the moral pedestal, might just earn you only suffering and all the boons to those who don't adher to your standards.
@@boooster101 I have slowly made my way up the ladder, no one is forced to stay in one place even if their culture or society locks them in. Before you say that's good for me but what about all those other people who didn't. I have no formal education in my field yet here I am, one doesn't need a college degree to make it up. If you live where you must scrap by and keep yourself there that is on you that's personal choice. What you described is life you make of it what you will.
@@Jadefox32 it's great that you made that for yourself and my journey is not so different but that's also why I got to know people who never had those options. Who were forced to stay where they are . There are hundreds of millions of people effectively deadlocked in an absolutely awful way of life because there are no better options for them. Don't pretend that modern economics isn't reliant on keeping the living standard the for majority very low to shift the available resources. Let's be history an example. The french revolted against their king and what followed was literally namend the reign of blood. The Russians revolted against the Czars and it led to gulags and the ruination of russian agriculture. It's easy from our perspective to take the moral high road. But it's not if you are living a life of constant squalor. And don't forget that the show itself often made clear that the doctor doesn't look back. Doesn't deal with the fallout of his actions once he leaves. So what you'te saying only holds water from the aloof observer position
Honestly, I don’t think I could imagine any of the other doctors giving this speech. He does it so perfectly. It sends chills down my spin and brings tears to my eyes every damn time.
Eccleston has the right amount of anger and self-assuredness to do it. Tennant and Smith could have pulled it off but not to this effect, and Whittaker could have put a different spin on this scene that would have been great but wouldn’t have given the right amount of weight. That’s not her fault though, that’s Chibnall’s
@@TonightTheMusicSeemsSoLoudd i would have loved to see Whittaker with a script by Russel T Davies, or even Moffat. She is actually a really great pick for the Doctor, but Chibnall is one of the worst writers in Who history. Not to say he is a bad writer in general, but he is not good at writing Dr Who
No music. No snappy cuts or fancy editing. No cg or intriguing set design. Nothing to distract you from what it wants. Just 10 minutes of pure and unburdened acting. Beautiful.
Did you listen to any of it? He engineered the situation on a VERY important day for him. He had safeguards beyond safeguards. There's nothing in the box to begin with, and if there's nothing in the box, and the ceasefire did not stand, the zygons would surely have killed everyone in that room. So, if this scenario has happened 15 times prior, then that means it has worked EVERY SINGLE TIME. But, there are always a few zygons out there who don't want to think. Those few zygons begin a revolution, and there is some fighting, and some people die. But the Doctor's plan always manages to completely quell the revolution before it becomes a full-scale war. He made the boxes on a VERY important day for him.
I like The Doctor's little smile right before Zygella says the boxes are empty. He knows she knows, and he knows she's starting to think like him; that he's finally persuaded her that this is not the way to protect her people.
The sheer fact that The Doctor just gave them empty boxes speaks so much to his character and the power of this sole speech and everything that makes The Doctor The Doctor. I absolutely love it
And going through that situation 15 times in a row, until that speech (I doubt, he had to go through those emotions every 15 takes through), we only see the last 16th take, where the Doctor adds that speech, all other takes failed, I guess. Why else would he had to reset their memories 15 times? At least Kate's. Someone must have pressed a button, either Kate or Bonnie and nothing happened, because both boxes are empty, they then came to some stand off, or agreement, but it wasn't enough for the Doctor, because that's not, what he wanted, he wanted to stop the war by having THEM see the reason, having THEM realize the values at stake and stuff. He wanted them to make the decision of their own free will, not from situation (realizing the boxes are empty), so he reset them 15 times until what we see here with the speech and everything and Kate stands down on her own, seeing the reason + Zygella (Bonnie) as well eventually. And realizing the boxes are empty without seeing it (by pressing buttons), discovering the Doctor's "bluff". I love that.
Thing is, when I first watched it I had a different interpretation for them being empty. at the start of the speech he said they represented a scaled down nature of war. War is tragic, often pointless and inevitable and all the hopes and grand promises are empty in the end.
@@curruptedJimbo That's a good interpretation, although not sure, that's what the writers intended. "Because it's not a game, Kate! This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought, right in front of you!" That line tells it all. He's not pointing towards the boxes, but towards them representing the "easy solution to end a war". Everyone can push a button and refuse to take responsibility (or put their sign to it proudly - looking at you, Zygella XD). The boxes being empty is another thing. The Doctor wouldn't risk it all to arm them really with the imbecille's gas and a remote device to blow up the Black Archive, would he? The emptiness representing empty promisses seems kinda outta way, since a war is never empty, there's too much sorrow, pain, suffering, all the stuff, that's left behind, after the job is done. But I like your approach. It's always good to see people with creative minds.
@@Croftice1 I never interpreted that as meaning that this had been repeated 15 time w/ those exact people on that day, but that it had been played out w/ others -- well, Kate always a constant, but separate. previous threats of breaking the Human/Zygon treaty...
This is my favourite speech of all time. Not of fiction, or television. Of straight up all time. Unlike the recent 13th, you can hear and feel all 12 Doctors riding on Capaldi's back. From 1st to War, and 9th to 11th. And also his own little touch. This build up. These immense centuries that he's lived through. The number of wars he's seen. The number of battles he's fought. The number of people he's lost. The amount he knows. He's been to the beginning of the universe and back again. He's seen everything twice. And at this moment, he's trying to let children learn. He's trying to teach them. Guide them away from futile conflict. The conflict that he is familiar with. The conflict he KNOWS. Better than anyone else. And better yet, he knows himself. And he doesn't want anyone to go through what he has gone through. Capaldi was literally born for the Doctor.
@@ericstahmer720 she couldnt add her own spin, despite the concept of a female doctor opening for possihilities unorecedented, she copied tennant style.
If we could see God in Heaven the same way that we see the fictional Doctor, we would have a perfect understanding of how He sees us. All of the centuries He has watched us be our own worst enemy; destroying that which is good; embracing that which is harmful, and weeping for us all the while. If you can understand God, our Creator the way you understand The Doctor, a magnificently crafted fictional character, then you would have accomplished something that some people refuse to ever receive: to confess that God in Heaven is loving, kind, compassionate, just, and absolutely real. Peace.🙏🏾
He just explained every war in the history of our species. He, who has experienced war, all of the destruction and suffering, he knows it all, he has seen it all and he definitely doesn't want to see it again. It is shocking what a time traveler with many lives experiences. This show is a masterpiece depicting the pain of a lonely man.
yeah someone always suffers in war there's no getting around it which is why talking is the only smart option as no one ever always wins every war ww2 Hitler starts the war wins many battle ends up loosing same for the Japanese in that war to so on and so forth they thought they would win and at first it looked that way but then the tables turned cause the wheel kept on turning
That's like something i hear in vampire the mascarade. Do you really want to know what inmortality is? Inmortality isn't live forever, that's not how it feels like. Inmortality is seen everything you love, everything you care and everything you know die and fade away forever.
and not just any war. he fought on the front lines of the biggest, most destructive war in creation. a war that stretched across time and space itself. war scars people, both civies and soliders. and the doctor, across 4 regenerations, has had to live with those scars, both from the things he's seen and the things he's done. and then he had to end it himself, because there was no winning for anyone else. he had to commit genocide twice over to end the war and save creation. and even though he saved Gallifrey, those scars remain.
I think this episode was broadcast at just the right time; following the Paris Attacks and on the day before Remembrance Sunday. With so much talk of revolution and vengeance, something like this hits home.
Yeah, our governments import 3rd world supremacist killers and then when those killers kill we get TV shows teaching us forgiveness and acceptance. I have a better idea, why don't our governments stop those supremacist killers from entering our countries.
TheEpicTom yes. I'm able to read the time stamp beside a commenter's name. I understand that '1 year ago' means the comment was posted 1 year ago. Are there any other blatantly obvious things you would like to point out to me?
The most scariest thing about this entire speech is that there is no music. Usually in speeches in movies are made grand through music. However here despite no music it was so impactful that i actually want to cry. My throat is literally burning from the emotional pent up.
There actually is music in the original release but Im assuming since this is a speech extract, the music was cut, which is fine because its so much more raw that way
No matter how many times I watch this I will never see Bonnie (I think her name is) as Clara it’s weird Jenna’s acting is so phenomenal that I see Clara and the zygon as two different people. Like I honestly forget that they are played by the same person.
Agreed. Just the way the two actors carry themselves is very unique between them. Clara is relaxed and continuously looking down because she knows what the Doctor is talking about, having been through his entire timeline, whereas Bonnie is strict and challenging, while also not knowing what exactly she wants, judging by the way she says 'War.'
@@tycol322, have you seen Tennant in any of his new stuff? Like playing a serial killer? It's amazing, and you never once expect him to step into a police box, lol!
@@tycol322 The way "John Smith" behaved facing his impending "death" upon becoming the Doctor again was what really, solidly sold me on David Tennant's acting strength. How he can so easily move into being a frightened, fearful man and then that one brief second where he talks like the Doctor and then gasps in horror at the way he speaks. Then just utterly breaks down in fear and terror as he knows he has to "die" and let the Doctor come out again. That man has some range. Honestly a show can be complete shit and if it has Tennant in it it's worth watching for him alone.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
"Do you know what 'thinking' is? It's just a fancy word for 'changing your mind'." This whole speech is fantastic, and the part about sitting down and talking gives me goosebumps every time, but the above line just sums it all up so perfectly, and can be applied to so many situations in life. The entire scene is TV history, but those two sentences are truly words to live by.
I definitely do agree, it is definitely the best anti-war speech ever written. I think war is a necessity and inevitably in human civilization, but it definitely does help weed out all the wars with no actual point.
@@captainpep3 it's unfortunate that there are people that can't be reason with and at that point war is the only answer. But should be when there are no alternatives.
One of the issues I had, as a fan of the first 26 seasons, is that the newer seasons forgot about how interesting the Doctor could be outside of traveling in time and knowing all this knowledge. Season 9, however, works on so many levels because it gets to the heart of the Doctor. This scene is possibly one of the best scenes in the whole of the show's history because it shows the Doctor's pain, anguish, and in the face of it all, the ability to continue. Like 'Heaven Sent,' it reveals that no matter what happens to him, the Doctor's strength is his incredible reslience. And notice that while most shows would end this with an action scene, all we have is a few powerful performances, and it works brilliantly. This is Doctor Who at its finest.
Moffat's master stroke. He was slowly building up to homaging the classic era, and by Series 9, the "old school" feel is certainly back, but without being boring.
Rings of Akhaten speech was really good too. The only difference is that that speech had music playing in the background whereas this one didn't (which makes it all the more powerful even though the Rings of Akhaten speech was more of my favorite).
Capaldi's performance was great. But the content of the Zygon Inversion speech -- it was one of the most insulting things the show has ever unintentionally articulated. That most people can't recognize that, overlook, or deliberately ignore what the speech really underlined is really unfortunate.
That whole scene is brilliant. The writing is terrific. Such an eloquent monologue about war. And Capaldi's acting is a true master class. When The Doctor says "you think this is a war... I've fought in a bigger war..." You can see the pain in Capaldi's voice and you imagine all the pain and death that the Doctor witnessed during the Time War. WOW.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@sanfordrussell8549 buddy, please don’t do that. The Bible is truth. God is actually real and watching. I can guarantee you that would be bad for you in the afterlife. Hell is very real. It’s also not about punishment. It’s about a set of circumstances we’ve all been tied to. It’s like the default you have to opt out of. If you never go to Jesus Christ to get God’s Grace every sin you do ties you to things in hell. So I’m going to be blunt with you. If you did that you’d probably be tortured in level six or seven per every sperm and pump of your hand. Hell is extremely hyperbolic. Bare minimum on tortures is like 100 years. I imagine if you did that it’d be like 100 years of C&B torture per sperm. Seriously, a donkey would kick you in the D over and over again for 100 years, per sperm, and the average male has about a hundred million per load. Seriously, I’m not joking. This is true. It is what would happen to you ultimately. Please don’t do that to yourself.
This is, hands down, the single best 10 minutes of ANY season of Doctor Who, and as far as I am concerned cemtes Capaldi as the BEST version of the Doctor ever. And I grew up with Baker as "my Doctor". The fact that neither Peter Capaldi or Jenna Coleman recieved any recognition or awards for pulling out so much raw emotion for this particular scene should be considered nothiong short of criminal.
@@chrissyclark7836 Honestly, I think the only other Doctor that could do this and do it any sort of justice would have to be David Tennant's Doctor. I like Matt Smith....but I feel he was too comedic at times, especially when the chips were down.
@@technewsfortechnoobs yh there is someone who actually did a pretty good david tennant accent for this but it just didn’t sound right but ofc It wasn’t really david so you’ll never know
"I mean, you call this a war, this funny little thing? THIS is not a war! I FOUGHT IN A BIGGER WAR THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW!!! I DID WORSE THINGS THAT YOU COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES...I HEAR MORE SCREAMS THAN ANYONE COULD EVER BE ABLE TO COUNT!!! And you know what to do with all that pain? Should I tell you where you put it? You hold it tight! Till it burns your hands! And you say this : ...NO ONE ELSE. WILL EVER. HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS; NO ONE ELSE WILL HAVE TO FEEL THIS PAIN! NOT ON MY WATCH!"
Ikr. Like, those short, almost gasping sentences, the slight voice breaks, just that sense of wanting to get the point across without bursting into tears. And then Kate's "I'm sorry", since she probably has experience with reminding someone of war, given that her father was a soldier.
Callum Moore fuck now I’m crying. He legit looks like he’s on the edge of a panic attack. Damn this is so well acted. Wow Capaldis performance is criminally underrated.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
It has nothing to do with Vietnam. Why do Seppos have to make everything about them? This is a BRITISH TV SHOW made for Brits by Brits. It has nothing to do with Seppos.
"the boxes are empty we can't forget that" "no, well you said that the last 15 times" Are we all brushing over the fact he messed up 15 times in his speech and he wiped all their memories?
If that speech defines the Capaldi era of Who, then I doubt people will be complaining. This is easily Steven Moffat's best speech, even better than some of the stuff he did for Tennant and Smith.
The transitions from Doctor to Doctor are what have made the revival era who so engaging. Eccleston is moments from the Time War as he arrives, still convinced he killed them all. Over one series he learns to accept people in his life again and even falls for Rose. They sacrifice themselves to save each other and the universe but Eccleston dies and changes. Tennant its still broken from the Time War, but actively wants to be happier but has no idea how to do it, and carries that misery with him over his whole time there long with his feelings for Rose. He loses her, and loses himself in adventures with Martha Jones who falls for him at the worst time but has the strength to leave once she realizes he'll never feel the same way. Once again she leaves and after meeting her once Donna Noble is a breath of fresh air. He lets her in as a friend and her departure becomes the hardest pill to swallow because she wanted to travel forever and can't even remember him without burning up. Lonely god is an apt description of him and eventually when he dies he tries to make peace with his fate (despite not wanting to go) and becomes Matt Smith Smith tries to leave the memories of the Time war behind him and loses himself in adventures with Amy and Rory as their bizarre imaginary friend of sorts. River Song comes along and complicates his life more only to eventually lose all of them over time, which forces him to retreat once again until the mystery of Clara rears its head and he can't turn away. Of course by the time the mystery is solved he has to come face to face with the Time War once again, and with Tennant and the War Doctor sets everything as right as possible. He makes a last stand on Trenzalore and get's a new regeneration cycle. He saves the day once again at the expense of regenerating into Peter Capaldi. Capaldi is more troubled and introspective at first, trying to decide what kind of man he is and runs into the Master as Missy. Through his time he confronts his anger, regret, and feels like a time Lord that has tried to learn from his experiences from the Time War as opposed to running from it. This scene is a perfect example of a man who internalized his pain and tries to use it to help people that are lost, like he was for so long. You see the whole of the Doctor's personality through Capaldi's run: aloof, bitter, impish, childlike, regretful, and is accepting of who he is. Even when he finally leaves, he comes to accept his own time as the Doctor and lets himself go. Whether you enjoyed all of the revival or not, you have to respect the effort to string these elements in such a way that it's still the story of one person's struggle through pain and always looking for redemption. Sadly I never feel this continuity in current Who, but that's me. Here you see the whole of revival Who's pain on display in a powerful and effective scene.
Kinda sad that you or anyone can really do this for the Thirteenth, through no fault of Jodie either... Cause honestly, there's a bunch of moments in Jodie's run as the doctor where you go "She's incredibly good, if only the writing did her justice"
The 13 doctor is coherent to all this too. She is the doctor after accepting all the above. The one who can have fun again and explore just cause she can. The 12 doctor told his successor to have fun, laugh hard and be kind. Thats what 13 is like
Maybe so, but to be honest Capaldi's Doctor needs her. she reminds him that it's not okay to give up on himself, and by proxy, the human race. I do believe Twelve wanted to give up but do it in a way that doesn't break the promise.
What I love about this scene is how the Doctor does everything he can to stop war from happening. The boxes, the memory wipe, the speech, all because he has lived it. He has lived with the guilt of being the man who caused the genocide of his people, and even before he decided that, the things he did as the War Doctor has him always believing that what he did will end soon: Until he did it for too long. Before he realised it, every day of 'The end justified the means' became years of it and when he finally looked in the mirror, he was an old man. No longer the young incarnation that he saw reflected in his eyes when he first entered the fray. And when he stared through that reflection's eyes, he could see every single atrocity that the monster commited, every single life that it took for a better tomorrow, for the continuation of his people. And he declared there and then: No More After he 'wiped' out his race. He lived with the guilt for more than four hundred years. Always looking back at what he thought was the right thing at that time, always thinking in the back of his mind that there had to have been a better idea but never coming up with any solutions. The guilt and the pain has torn him apart many times and vowed to never allow such a thing to happen again and never let someone hold such pain. And so, in the face of war, he would rather be the pacifist than the warmonger if it meant no one else will die meaningless.
“The peak efficiency of knowledge and strategy is to make conflict unnecessary.” "The greatest victory is that which requires no battle." “Who wishes to fight must first count the cost” "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." "The wise warrior avoids the battle" Even Sun Tzu agrees with the Doctor
She's always lovely :) Interestingly, she played a young Queen Victoria, who had blue eyes. They either gave her contacts or digitally altered her eye colour. But in one scene, she walks slowly past a mirror, and her reflection has her natural gorgeous colour. The Impossible Girl?
6:34 this is beyond acting it doesn't even feel right to think that this isn't real. the pain in his voice it's so real. best performance i've ever seen
This. This shows that Peter capaldi's Doctor was actually really good. Even the best doctors had bad episodes and he's a great example of a good actor with mediocre writing. This scene and the speech from heaven sent were the best scenes from capaldi.
I love how you can visibly see Clara's heart sink at what the Doctor's describing. Her actress portrays the conflicting emotions in hearing someone you look up to describing something so horrible in excruciating detail showing her he isn't exactly who she thinks he is. 5:11
are we forgetting the day of the doctor and 11, she SAW the people who would burn on Gallifrey if he pressed that button, she KNOWS he almost became a mass murderer killing two races, just because he DIDNT do it, for centuries he thought he did and had to live with that
Got to agree with Julie up there; she's not being disappointed at seeing something in the Doctor she didn't know about; she witnessed what the Time War did to him first-hand. She's just sad because he's having to dredge up all those horrible memories to give such a heartfelt speech, and she knows it tears him apart to not only recall the war, but his own part in it.
His line about holding pain tight in your hand, till it burns. Then using that pain to protect others from having to feel that pain... Chills. Every time.
The Doctor doesn't win battles with force, or weapons. He's mostly a logician who wins or accomplishes his victories with logic. He doesn't have a superpower or a weapon, he has logic and intelligence, and he can win many battles with words. He's a great logician and usually is able to influence people just with logic, almost like a magician...
He has superpowers ... this logic, no one ever posses it. It's his greatest superpower. It's a weapon, that his enemies fear the most. Oh and the sonic screwdriver, don't forget that. And Taaaaaaardis.
This is so powerful. Even more so today. If only people would honestly talk AND listen. I loved this scene before...now, I struggle to hold back tears.
SIT DOWN AND TALK!!! -yes, please, listen to him Scale Model of war indeed. Awesome speech. And heartbreaking, too. The Zygon Inversion is hands down one of my most favourite Doctor Who episodes
That is my favorite line. Despite the fact that I wasn't in this situation and hopefully, I never will be, I honestly started shrinking in my seat as if it were my fault and he was yelling at me. To be honest, this show is the only one that has ever made me feel like that.
There’s two big problems. What happens when one of the two parties says no, and starts teh war anyway, and you can’t wipe their memory or travel through time? And what if the two parties are unable to get along even if they talk without one side changing entirely because they have utterly incompatible views?
Mary Ann Bittle yes, but the comment was about how it’s true to real life when it’s not because neither you nor I have magic time travel or brainwashing abilities.
Watching this speech before taking a speech class or unit and after one is a completely new experience. You can see how he’s reaching down to speak genuinely and freely. Exploiting ethos, logos, and pathos in a way the professional speeches I had to analyze for the class didn’t. The writer of the speech: Brilliant for composing such a work that can really dig into your feelings and make you really think. The speaker: Just as brilliant. Execution of the speech is just as, if not more, important as the writing. Sending out raw emotions, staying in character, the hand motions and movements to emphasize points. Brilliant and beautiful. I can’t say much more. To comprehend what’s happening is one thing. To explain it fully and it’s effects is another. I feel as I feel as if someone watching this as their introduction to Doctor Who (Given some Zygon background info on their goals, of course) could gleam so much about the Doctor’s past and what kind of show this is as a whole. Intense action, but what’s truly up front is the mind games, speeches, and quiet moments where you’re on the edge of your seat where no music is present. That’s all I can say about this. Everything else you have to understand on your own.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
this scene encompasses everything about the doctor: he is tired of war but will fight to death to save people. his wraith is endless but his mercy is without end. he sees that war is stupidly pointless and pointlessly stupid. he is the ultimate solider and the ultimate pacifist. for me, this is not only peter capaldi's best performance as the doctor but the best scene in all of DW.
"They only way anyone can live in peace is if they are prepared to forgive. So why dont you break the cycle? ...You dont know... how many hearts will be broken, how many lives shattered... until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the beginning. Sit. Down. And. Talk. ...And do you know what you do with all that pain? Shall I tell you where to put it? You hold it tight... till it burns your hand. And you say this: no one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will ever have to feel this pain. Not on my watch." These words are what I need to remember. Not for war, not for politics. But for family and for all those who come from unloving homes. I came from a cycle of abuse passed down from mother to daughter. I refuse to continue the cycle of resentment and bitterness. I might have endured a lot of pain but if I can help, just by being someone willing to hear a fellow abused child's story and tell them it's not all in their head... if i can minimise the pain then I will have done my job. I can't save them from being hurt, but I can save them from having to wait 22 years to realise what is happening to them. Not on my watch.
This scene is not only great in the Doctor Who universe but actually perfectly describes the issue with terrorism and the way we fight it. So many parallels to our situation. Both of the episodes describe perfectly the fight with terror that we have today.
it also describes what happens when empires forged by revolution get to high and mighty and think they will last forever because there will always be another revolution its a lesson trump needs to learn
@@exilestudios9546 There will never be a communist America, you libs can rise up if you like but rest assured you will be put down. If America does die it will be because of people like you...
I am so annoyed that doctor who didn't win Best Drama or Best actor this year at the Television Awards it so deserved it just on this scene alone it deserves so much more!!!
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
The raw emotion that you sense from Capaldi’s speech. The movements and gestures he makes, and the way he switches between The Mad Doctor and The Timelord that we know is constantly suffering internally... I have not seen anyone who has managed to give this much tension and gravity to a scene. It weighs even more when you realize the boxes are empty. Because now, you’ve started to think like he has. Seen things through the Doctor’s perspective. It was beautifully done.
Capaldi at his best. His craftsmanship is so sincere, so on point... i don't think anyone could pull this scene off any better than he did. His tenacity brought tears in my eyes.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
+Dan Sigley the part that breaks me is when he says "when I close my eyes! I can hear more screams than anyone could ever be able to count!!"... I can't even imagine how much pain that must mean to anyone...
+Takeru Minamoto In my mind, I have heard the screams of all the entities still alive at the time the Sun becomes a Red Giant and destroys all life left on this Earth. In my mind, I have heard the screams of all the entities sill alive at the time when the galaxy gets pulled into our galactic center's black hole. In my mind, I have heard the silence of when the entire universe ends in a "big freeze" and no conscious entities are left to scream. It's quite a contrast and quite depressing at times. I surely do hope it's all just in my mind. Life itself appears to just be an illusion from our human perspective as far as eternity is concerned. One day we all die from something, a death that appears will last into an actual eternity. We will forget everything we ever knew and experienced, even the imaginations within our very own mind, and then one day in future eternity will be forgotten. (Or so it currently appears). But then again, since I do not know what I do not know, I will be the first to admit that I could be wrong. Maybe I will have an actual eternal conscious existence into future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, but "probably not". But it is possible by various methods that my mind could imagine. "The Suckiness of Life" Life sucks and then we die and/or life does not suck and then we still die. Then we either have a life after this life, which will probably suck and/or not suck, or we won't, and all suckiness for us will end for eternity. But, while we exist (however long that may be for), if life sucks, try to make it better and then it might not suck so bad. Every conscious entity has basic choices, (even A.I.'s): Help, Neutral, Hurt, and to whom to Help, Neutral, Hurt. Choices, with all the consequences and ramifications, seen and unseen, of all of our choices, plus whatever nature can do to/for us. Then we apparently still die one day from something. But then what in actual reality for the rest of eternity? Currently it appears nothing at all for us. It just currently appears it will all end in an eternal silence for us either way. But, then again, maybe I am wrong.
I understand the world as much or as little as you do. A person never gets too far unless others let them. The whole better the devil you know then the devil you don't argument only holds weight when you let the devil you don't know become worse. If I fail to understand that, then please educate me if you're so enlightened on how the world works.
I love the bit around 3:00 where the Doctor asks “What’s it going to be like? Paint me a picture”; the fact that the mundane reality after the war hasn’t been considered speaks volumes about the lack of foresight with the war
This is why he’s my favorite Doctor, this speech here was the culmination of every Doctor up to him in one bitter laugh that showed his horror and pain that he had to live with until he reset the moment and saved his people.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
This speech is still so unimaginably relevant today. It absolutely blows my mind how well it's executed here, writtien/performed/edited/etc. Thank you, Doctor. We all need to here this. * I desperately hope that there comes a day when it's no longer relevant.
3:42 I LOVE that question he asks. Because it speaks of an almost entirely unknown aspect of violent revolutions that the average person who wasn't a part of it, or covering them, knows. When the revolution is over, 9 times out of 10, the real people in power during the revolution, execute the revolutionaries. Because they know how to topple systems, how to wage guerrilla war. They know, literally, all the tricks to bring down their "brave new world". And therefore they represent a threat, The last threat to go. So I love the deep, easily missed but obviously understood, meaning in that question.
Of all the great scenes that are there in Doctor Who, I've come to the conclusion that this is, for me, the best one. Because Peter Capaldi manages to show all twelve doctors in these 10 minutes and he delivers every word in absolute perfection.
I agree. Just up to the part before Bonnie realizes that the boxes are empty. Unfortunately we live in a world run by unenlightened, narrow-minded, self-interested bigots all willing to go to war for things like money, respect, and hate over things that happened yesterday all the way back to millenia ago. Who is going to break the cycle? Wouldn't that make them look weak? (sarcasm)
The real problem with getting all the world leaders to sit down and watch this video is that the Doctors argument relies on people being rational. Rational people are more likely to make rational decisions. All it takes is one person who irrationally believes that they are right and their cause is true because it came from a higher power or total annihilation would be preferable to accepting a compromise and we get one of those buttons pushed. How do you argue with someone who knows exactly the world they want to get out of that choice and that world is following one voice, listening to one sermon, wiping out all opposing views and just stagnating. Because if the world is static, it is predictable. To some people, predictable feels safe. If no one is thinking new thoughts, the old thoughts won't get challenged. If there are no new thoughts, the status quo remains. Those in power, stay in power and those with no power stay that way.
This scene, right here, was probably the 12th Doctor’s most defining moment, and what made me fully accept Capaldi as the Doctor. I mean, I thought he was a good Doctor before this, and he is a really good actor, but this scene pretty much erased any remaining doubts I had about him and made me say, “Hello Doctor.”
@@nickowen7406 Because we Americans are usually focused only on us, and the last three weeks, to say nothing of 2020 as a whole, have been a microcosm of this scene.
It's much more than that. It's about how we as people choose to live. We're so intent on winning, on securing ourselves, that we've forgotten how to be human. Somewhere along the way, we forgot how to forgive.
This is easily the greatest...the most well written ..one of the most emotionally powerful..and magnificently acted scenes in all doctor who leading on to so much other parts of Cinema
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
I have no idea how many times I have watched this scene. The message itself is so powerful on it's own, but for anyone who knows the show and the doctor it's so much more powerful.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
A phenominal performance so much emotion, what makes it even better HE DID THIS IN ONE TAKE! I dont know if any of the other doctors, even my beloved TB could pull that off!
And this speech again will not be given a thought by those who don’t watch the show. This speech is one of the best anti-war speeches in modern history, and is especially relevant now after the shooting in Las Vegas, but nobody will think twice about this speech, because they think Doctor Who is just some dumb sci-fi show.
I think you are wrong, because to delve into such universal topics and material makes it more understandable, even if the person who hasn't watched it yet and not understand the context, at least in its entirety. Plus the acting is hard to ignore here. I should know. I'm one of them and I'm only here from some picture posted on Imgur.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
My favorite part is "THIS IS WRONG!" "No. It's not." "THIS IS YOUR FAULT!" "No, it's your fault." "I'VE HAD TO DO WHAT I'VE DONE!" "So did I." "WE'VE BEEN TREATED LIKE CATTLE!" "Say what?" "WE'VE BEEN LEFT TO FEND FOR OURSELVES!" "Says everyone." Simple understated replies that absolutely dismantle her "points", and its clear she knows that.
Wow. This is amazing, head and shoulders with any monologue from past doctors. Move over Mr. Tenant, and thank you Mr. Baker for laying the ground work for such moments.
thank you! Tom Baker is my doctor, and no one will EVER compare, but he couldnt do this, hes not old enough! But he did give us the doctors personality, the rage and compassion the doctor needed to do this!
Not really. Wars can be declared for righteous reasons. And wars are the one thing that see's the most human innovation as it's innovation for survival. For example, Hitler invading Poland, declaring war on Germany was the correct course of action. If we let him conquer the entire world, how many millions do you think would have died in camps? All wars have their use, the issue is one side wins and reaps the rewards whatever they may be, new land, resources, wealth, survival. The loser, loses in every regard.
@@Scottx125Productions also people already knew what he was doing, people just didn't care. It wasn't until Hitler threatened there way of life is when the war started.
@@S_Warden It's sad really that war would take the lives of every man, woman, and children and that war is all just a battle for control. It's never about the safety, the security or the harmony of all ours or for the betterment of our world sometimes to justify one to most for the good of ours. All of this death which could have been prevented or never had to happen that had happened. All of the suffering and pain and for what....where does the page end or does it really have an end. It's easy to say on paper in history or like an end of a story "an ending" but implying of our own way of life continuum, a paradox of an endless cycle that will never break in infinite measure. It just a mere blink for the worst to come before it gets better
"No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will ever have to feel this pain! Not on my watch!" "It's hell, isn't it? No one should have to think like that. And no one will. Not on our watch."
I watch this sometimes when another war starts or another conflict takes a turn for the worse. It makes me cry every time, but weirdly gives me a kind of peace.
I keep coming back to this speech. I think this is one of Capaldi's best and strongest performances as the doctor. Marking him as a doctor for me personally
If nothing else about this scene, 8:48 is the greatest showing of just how old the Doctor is, how much he's experienced previously - a man utterly exhausted from the life he's had to live and the atrocities he's survived.
Reminds me of this quote from M.A.S.H.
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
one of MASH's best ever quotes along with "anger turned inwards is depression, anger turned sideways is Hawkeye" Except Hawkeye isnt almost 3000 years old and thought he murdered his whole race!
Amazing
@Ima Pseudonym Holy fuck.
I grew up in a war, the only people who benefit are the people that sell the bullets
Isn't that right michelle
Arguably my favourite line in this is "You're not superior to people who were cruel to you, you're just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to people, who will end up being cruel to you!" I don't know why but repetition, man, it works
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 Old Testament God wouldn’t forgive though, he would kill them all. Old Testament God and New Testament God are like completely different beings.
Broken people break people.
Nail on the head, eh!
@@jamesmayle3787 why do you people always crawl into places like this unprompted? Humans don't need god to be good. These days I see far more evil done in god's name than anything else. Keep your religion and faerie tales to yourself.
Line that got me: "...Untill everyone does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning; Sit down and talk..." Fact is all wars end with diplomacy, and equally they could all be averted through it. Love this speech to pieces.
Its actual correct
Not always. Couldn't end WW2 with diplomacy, nor the war with the Daleks
In a way, war is just another negotiation tactic.
@@5678sothourn I mean, it technically did. The unconditional surrender of Germany was 'negotiated' by what little was left, they didn't fight till everyone is dead.
@@jamesashcroft8170 I would disagree because most of the principle starters of that war were dead
Why the hell didn't Capaldi win an Emmy for this scene? This was one of the best scenes in Doctor Who history, and Capaldi was awesome here.
@JumiahMinecraft- Games N' More
The things don't equate.
But not for his acting, unfortunately...
I would go farther than that. This scene is one of the best scenes not just in Doctor Who history, but in history in general.
Dwight K. Schrute I love this comment
It was an amazing performance. But I also think it was a really well written script.
Applicable to war, to political disagreement, to personal relationships, to everything. Whoever wrote this scene is a genius.
The Kirby T It basically applies to any disagreement, ever
agreed
@@jamesiyer4937 I think it works better when the disagreement involves lots of people dying though. The section: "Because its always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who is going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn." is pretty powerful imho.
Would you agree that this also applies to African Americans with the "n" word, that if they forgave slave owners, peace would come ? I think so, but it's such a touchy subject.
Edit: 2 years too late to edit this comment but I agree with all of you.
Retribution begets retribution.
10: the man who regrets
11: the man who forgets
12: the man who accepts
13: the woman who move on
@@thetwelfthdoctor9892 there is no 13. I'm still waiting for the 13th doctor.
And don't you dare accuse me of gender bias, it has nothing to do with gender - she's an awful actress and the show is PURELY pushing an agenda and nothing more. The show isn't Doctor Who anymore, it's "Notes from the extreme left in the form of a dramatic fantasy".
DOWN WITH CHIBNALL!
@@geegeetomlinson2316 Did you really just have an argument in the same breath as your opening statement with someone who hadn't even addressed or acknowledged you?
Geegee Tomlinson no Jodie Whittaker isn’t a bad actress, she just has bad scripts and cardboard cutouts for companions
edit: this comment was based on third hand knowledge of whittaker's acting skills, ignore it
@@panose6542 I'm still not sure if I should watch the new seasons I feel like I'll be disappointed because doctor who is an amazing show and the doctor and the writing make the show so if neither are good as everyone says then I'm hesitant to watch it.
"This is a scale model of war!"
That growl is TERRIFYING.
Peters doctor is a fucking badass when he’s angry, he means business
@@jeanmichellelaurent not to mention that he sounded like a dalek when he said "YOU DON'T WHO IS GOING TO DIE!"
@@Schtauffen04 I can't unhear that Dalek growl anymore. Holy shit. The "Good Dalek" was right. I knew I was a little biased against Capaldi at first, and it slowly changed by the time we got to Ashildr and his reasoning for picking that face. And this scene was a masterstroke. This made me fully accept this was a worthy regeneration. This was peak deconstruction and reconstruction of the Doctor. Showing that despite all the shortcomings The Doctor can make, all the difficult choices and rageful split second actions that change him for better or worse, beneath all of it is a man who swore to save rather than slaughter. And he fights because he knows if he can get other people to see how he sees everything, so much more can be saved. Like Capaldi also said in another speech, "What I do, I do because it's right!"
A man so impassioned to preserve and protect life even if it comes at cost to him but still keeps pushing because he knows where he stands and knows what he must do. Moffat struck a goldmine in having Capaldi flesh out our favorite Time Lord even further beyond what came before.
@@newfoundwisdom8532"I do what I do because it's RIGHT!! because it's decent! And above all, it's kind. Just that. It's just kind."
"And do you know how you know that? ...Because you've started to think, like me... Oh it's *hell* isn't it?"
"I let Clara Oswald get inside my head. Trust me, she doesn't leave."
This line is really sad when you realize how the Doctor and Clara actually parted ways, with the Doctor losing his memories of Clara. She left his head.
@Doctor Who Fan all stories are true somewhere in time and space.
And he did remember her eventually
Run you clever boy and reme- oh wait never mind
Even still, she never fully did. He even played her theme on his guitar and told her story to her. It goes to show, he never fully forgot her, even when he should have.
I wish he had said, “The Doctor came”
Cuz he did. The Moment happened because of the Doctor, and the Moment never occurred, because of the Doctor
"BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GAME KATE!" The Doctor really has a way of making someone feel like a child in a moment
my favorit line in the speach
Reducing their conflict to a ‘game’ makes it easy to see how stupid it is
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 where on earth did this come from?
That line always makes me shiver, because that's my name and I can just feel the sheer weight of his words.
"We'll win"
Funny thing about winning is that YOU have to win every single time, THEY have to win just once.
And then they become the ones who have to win every time and the cycle continues until there is no one left to win.
Victory, a hollow and meaningless notion.
@Scion of Madness if i remember correctly that movie is the original 'War Game'
Scion of Madness TRON: Legacy.
@@feartheghus why is it necessary? Why do we have to kill each others, because it's necessary?
You know what I love about Capaldi? You can see EVERY Doctor in him. Even here for example, I see them all even War Doctor. They're all there, it makes Doctor Who feel realer somehow when you see them all in one, because that's the magic of the show. They all are there, just with a different face on the outside
Chiko was here What can you expect? He has grown up with Doctor Who, and knows every single doctor - from Hartnell to Smith.
I love the way his voice changes too. It's more noticeable when he's mocking them "Bonnie sweetheart" sounds like a 11 thing and "fingers on buzzers" definitely sounded like something 10 would do. But throughout the entire speech there are points where his voice fills with something more than emotion. It's knowledge and experience from 400 years spent believing he burned his planet. In that moment you feel all the post time war doctors. The War Doctor and his willingness to go through with it, 9 and how he was so brash until he met Rose and felt excitement again, 10 and his regret over it all, 11 and how he tried to move on and be silly all culminating in 12. The Doctor who has accepted it all into him and is capable of being the doctor and the warrior. Thankfully he has companions to pull him back when he goes to far.
And 13?
@@bingbongabinga2954 we don't talk about 13
Thus why I heavily dislike Jodie's Doctor. Capaldi carried every single Doctor on his back. He was the 1st. He was the 4th. He was the 10th. He was all of them. And you could feel that. Especially here. You could feel the age. Feel the pain. 13 doesn't feel like this.
i love how kate is the one who closes the box first. she has read all the doctors file and heard all the stories. she understand the doctor just as well as any companions.
In a very real sense, that choice made her stronger. To forgive is to completely abandon your own desires in favor of what is best for everyone.
And the best part is she makes the same choice every single time the Doctor tries to give that speech. If you remember, he says that she always said that same thing the last "fifteen times." He wiped her mind every single time because he knows she is truly good and though she may get pushed into feeling the need to defend humanity on a drastic scale, she would never have actually pushed the button. He keeps wiping her mind, even at the end, because he knows he doesn't have to worry about her or her intentions. The speech wasn't for Kate, it was for Zygella. It's possible he keeps her mind wiped because he doesn't want her to see him like he was in that room, that or he wanted to keep the idea of the failsafe between the two sides intact. Either way, he trusts her and knows he can continue to do so regardless of whether or not she has all of the details of what happened.
there's another thing; she'd have heard her father's stories. The real ones, the dark ones. The ones soldiers tell on those long nights of the soul. I suspect Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart had seen a lot. And remember ; Kate makes the effort to know the NAMES of the soldiers under her command. She doesn't spend their lives recklessly
Her father WAS a companion he taught her well
The fact neither Peter nor Jenna received any major awards for their work in this episode - and not to mention Heaven Sent and Hell Bent - was unforgivable.
Let me give you something totally unpredictable... I forgive you.
Alex Fh are you saying they were terrible?
@@michaelbelcher8805 No I am quoting a bit from one of Peter Capraldi's best speeches as Dr Who. It was magnificent.
@@charlestdennis2797 I know you were quoting from this speech which like you is arguably my favorite speech. I was referring to the original commenter who i wasn't sure if they were praising Heaven sent and hell bent or criticizing it.
On second read, I see they were praising it
And meanwhile Jodie Shittaker gets awards just for being a woman.
I love his facial expression when she says "we've been treated like cattle" "Eh, so what." "we've been left to fend for ourselves." "ehh so has everyone."
Ultimately, it’s true for many people. And his reaction to “it’s not fair”, is great. Cause nothing in life is fair
NOTHING is fair, just balanced. As one matures, they'd have to learn to take the good with the bad. No matter how 'good' we think we are, consequences for 'doing the right thing' is inevitable.
@@bittersprout3694 but think of those whose life is unfair beyond compare, not by choice but forced by others.
If you are constantly downtrodden and then those who do so tell you life just isn't fair, when everytime you sit down and do talk ... you just get dismissed and ignored ...
These are the situations where the speech of the doctor falls short.
This is where I would actually go to a lecture of Jesus. If you get hit, brace the other cheek.
But if they hit you again, hit back. Because otherwise you will just be hit until they are satisifed or you are dead.
And just like Ghandi as a person and his pacifism had really dark nuances many don't know, just being the forgiving one, the one on the moral pedestal, might just earn you only suffering and all the boons to those who don't adher to your standards.
@@boooster101 I have slowly made my way up the ladder, no one is forced to stay in one place even if their culture or society locks them in. Before you say that's good for me but what about all those other people who didn't. I have no formal education in my field yet here I am, one doesn't need a college degree to make it up. If you live where you must scrap by and keep yourself there that is on you that's personal choice. What you described is life you make of it what you will.
@@Jadefox32 it's great that you made that for yourself and my journey is not so different but that's also why I got to know people who never had those options.
Who were forced to stay where they are .
There are hundreds of millions of people effectively deadlocked in an absolutely awful way of life because there are no better options for them.
Don't pretend that modern economics isn't reliant on keeping the living standard the for majority very low to shift the available resources.
Let's be history an example. The french revolted against their king and what followed was literally namend the reign of blood.
The Russians revolted against the Czars and it led to gulags and the ruination of russian agriculture.
It's easy from our perspective to take the moral high road. But it's not if you are living a life of constant squalor.
And don't forget that the show itself often made clear that the doctor doesn't look back. Doesn't deal with the fallout of his actions once he leaves.
So what you'te saying only holds water from the aloof observer position
Honestly, I don’t think I could imagine any of the other doctors giving this speech. He does it so perfectly. It sends chills down my spin and brings tears to my eyes every damn time.
Oh, I think Tom could have done it.
Eccleston has the right amount of anger and self-assuredness to do it. Tennant and Smith could have pulled it off but not to this effect, and Whittaker could have put a different spin on this scene that would have been great but wouldn’t have given the right amount of weight. That’s not her fault though, that’s Chibnall’s
I think hartnell, pertwee, Tom Baker or Eccleston could have put up a very good effort
@@TonightTheMusicSeemsSoLoudd i would have loved to see Whittaker with a script by Russel T Davies, or even Moffat.
She is actually a really great pick for the Doctor, but Chibnall is one of the worst writers in Who history. Not to say he is a bad writer in general, but he is not good at writing Dr Who
John Hurt did a cold read of this speech. It fits the war doctor too. The tired of war calmness in his voice.
No music. No snappy cuts or fancy editing. No cg or intriguing set design. Nothing to distract you from what it wants. Just 10 minutes of pure and unburdened acting. Beautiful.
Only the Doctor could stop a catastrophic war with nothing more than a speech and a couple of boxes.
And Clara Oswald
and it only took him 16 tries.
Did you listen to any of it? He engineered the situation on a VERY important day for him. He had safeguards beyond safeguards. There's nothing in the box to begin with, and if there's nothing in the box, and the ceasefire did not stand, the zygons would surely have killed everyone in that room. So, if this scenario has happened 15 times prior, then that means it has worked EVERY SINGLE TIME. But, there are always a few zygons out there who don't want to think. Those few zygons begin a revolution, and there is some fighting, and some people die. But the Doctor's plan always manages to completely quell the revolution before it becomes a full-scale war. He made the boxes on a VERY important day for him.
ikr
all the doctor has ever had is a box and words
I like The Doctor's little smile right before Zygella says the boxes are empty. He knows she knows, and he knows she's starting to think like him; that he's finally persuaded her that this is not the way to protect her people.
The sheer fact that The Doctor just gave them empty boxes speaks so much to his character and the power of this sole speech and everything that makes The Doctor The Doctor. I absolutely love it
And going through that situation 15 times in a row, until that speech (I doubt, he had to go through those emotions every 15 takes through), we only see the last 16th take, where the Doctor adds that speech, all other takes failed, I guess. Why else would he had to reset their memories 15 times? At least Kate's. Someone must have pressed a button, either Kate or Bonnie and nothing happened, because both boxes are empty, they then came to some stand off, or agreement, but it wasn't enough for the Doctor, because that's not, what he wanted, he wanted to stop the war by having THEM see the reason, having THEM realize the values at stake and stuff. He wanted them to make the decision of their own free will, not from situation (realizing the boxes are empty), so he reset them 15 times until what we see here with the speech and everything and Kate stands down on her own, seeing the reason + Zygella (Bonnie) as well eventually. And realizing the boxes are empty without seeing it (by pressing buttons), discovering the Doctor's "bluff". I love that.
Thing is, when I first watched it I had a different interpretation for them being empty. at the start of the speech he said they represented a scaled down nature of war. War is tragic, often pointless and inevitable and all the hopes and grand promises are empty in the end.
@@curruptedJimbo That's a good interpretation, although not sure, that's what the writers intended.
"Because it's not a game, Kate! This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought, right in front of you!"
That line tells it all. He's not pointing towards the boxes, but towards them representing the "easy solution to end a war". Everyone can push a button and refuse to take responsibility (or put their sign to it proudly - looking at you, Zygella XD). The boxes being empty is another thing. The Doctor wouldn't risk it all to arm them really with the imbecille's gas and a remote device to blow up the Black Archive, would he? The emptiness representing empty promisses seems kinda outta way, since a war is never empty, there's too much sorrow, pain, suffering, all the stuff, that's left behind, after the job is done. But I like your approach. It's always good to see people with creative minds.
@@Croftice1 I never interpreted that as meaning that this had been repeated 15 time w/ those exact people on that day, but that it had been played out w/ others -- well, Kate always a constant, but separate. previous threats of breaking the Human/Zygon treaty...
The Doctor would never make a weapon anyway
His weapons are words to trick the enemy
In the end they destroy themselves literally and figuratively
"There was another box; I was gonna press another button."
The calm, cold, dispassionate manner he delivers that line gets me every time.
This is my favourite speech of all time. Not of fiction, or television. Of straight up all time. Unlike the recent 13th, you can hear and feel all 12 Doctors riding on Capaldi's back. From 1st to War, and 9th to 11th. And also his own little touch. This build up. These immense centuries that he's lived through. The number of wars he's seen. The number of battles he's fought. The number of people he's lost. The amount he knows. He's been to the beginning of the universe and back again. He's seen everything twice. And at this moment, he's trying to let children learn. He's trying to teach them. Guide them away from futile conflict. The conflict that he is familiar with. The conflict he KNOWS. Better than anyone else. And better yet, he knows himself. And he doesn't want anyone to go through what he has gone through.
Capaldi was literally born for the Doctor.
True, but I blame that more on the writing and direction of Whittaker. As an actress she’s a fantastic Doctor.
@@ericstahmer720 She's a good actress but a bad Doctor
@@ericstahmer720 she couldnt add her own spin, despite the concept of a female doctor opening for possihilities unorecedented, she copied tennant style.
@@michelecastellotti9172 I always got more of an 11 vibe from her.
Either way, her problem was easily a writing issue - acting-wise, she's fantastic.
If we could see God in Heaven the same way that we see the fictional Doctor, we would have a perfect understanding of how He sees us.
All of the centuries He has watched us be our own worst enemy; destroying that which is good; embracing that which is harmful, and weeping for us all the while.
If you can understand God, our Creator the way you understand The Doctor, a magnificently crafted fictional character, then you would have accomplished something that some people refuse to ever receive: to confess that God in Heaven is loving, kind, compassionate, just, and absolutely real. Peace.🙏🏾
He just explained every war in the history of our species. He, who has experienced war, all of the destruction and suffering, he knows it all, he has seen it all and he definitely doesn't want to see it again. It is shocking what a time traveler with many lives experiences. This show is a masterpiece depicting the pain of a lonely man.
yeah someone always suffers in war there's no getting around it which is why talking is the only smart option as no one ever always wins every war ww2 Hitler starts the war wins many battle ends up loosing same for the Japanese in that war to so on and so forth they thought they would win and at first it looked that way but then the tables turned cause the wheel kept on turning
That's like something i hear in vampire the mascarade. Do you really want to know what inmortality is? Inmortality isn't live forever, that's not how it feels like. Inmortality is seen everything you love, everything you care and everything you know die and fade away forever.
and not just any war. he fought on the front lines of the biggest, most destructive war in creation. a war that stretched across time and space itself. war scars people, both civies and soliders. and the doctor, across 4 regenerations, has had to live with those scars, both from the things he's seen and the things he's done. and then he had to end it himself, because there was no winning for anyone else. he had to commit genocide twice over to end the war and save creation. and even though he saved Gallifrey, those scars remain.
I think this episode was broadcast at just the right time; following the Paris Attacks and on the day before Remembrance Sunday. With so much talk of revolution and vengeance, something like this hits home.
Giovanni Magnus I didn't even realize that was when it aired. That's amazing
Yeah, our governments import 3rd world supremacist killers and then when those killers kill we get TV shows teaching us forgiveness and acceptance. I have a better idea, why don't our governments stop those supremacist killers from entering our countries.
Forlorn Dream you realise that comment was posted a year ago right?
TheEpicTom yes. I'm able to read the time stamp beside a commenter's name. I understand that '1 year ago' means the comment was posted 1 year ago. Are there any other blatantly obvious things you would like to point out to me?
Forlorn Dream you ok, had a bad day at work or something?
The most scariest thing about this entire speech is that there is no music. Usually in speeches in movies are made grand through music. However here despite no music it was so impactful that i actually want to cry. My throat is literally burning from the emotional pent up.
There actually is music in the original release but Im assuming since this is a speech extract, the music was cut, which is fine because its so much more raw that way
@@hydra_lisk Yeah, I love this speech as it is normally, but without any music, I think it's MUCH better and makes a bigger impact.
@@hydra_lisk there is only music in the last part where he says “this is not a war, I fought in a bigger war”
@@welkingunther5417 yes facts, although the scene itself had no music up untill the end this is just perfect imo
Then cry. It will always help. And i mean that ❤
No matter how many times I watch this I will never see Bonnie (I think her name is) as Clara it’s weird Jenna’s acting is so phenomenal that I see Clara and the zygon as two different people. Like I honestly forget that they are played by the same person.
CASPIAN PYLES | And that’s what we call, good acting.
The BBC is good at finding actors of that caliber. I feel the same way about David Tenants portray of 10 and John Smith in the family of blood
Agreed. Just the way the two actors carry themselves is very unique between them. Clara is relaxed and continuously looking down because she knows what the Doctor is talking about, having been through his entire timeline, whereas Bonnie is strict and challenging, while also not knowing what exactly she wants, judging by the way she says 'War.'
@@tycol322, have you seen Tennant in any of his new stuff? Like playing a serial killer? It's amazing, and you never once expect him to step into a police box, lol!
@@tycol322 The way "John Smith" behaved facing his impending "death" upon becoming the Doctor again was what really, solidly sold me on David Tennant's acting strength. How he can so easily move into being a frightened, fearful man and then that one brief second where he talks like the Doctor and then gasps in horror at the way he speaks. Then just utterly breaks down in fear and terror as he knows he has to "die" and let the Doctor come out again. That man has some range.
Honestly a show can be complete shit and if it has Tennant in it it's worth watching for him alone.
Holy shit, this man can act.
(5 years later) Damn straight
Tom Winchester (1 week later) I second this
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The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787Get out of here you sky faerie worshipper.
"Do you know what 'thinking' is? It's just a fancy word for 'changing your mind'."
This whole speech is fantastic, and the part about sitting down and talking gives me goosebumps every time, but the above line just sums it all up so perfectly, and can be applied to so many situations in life. The entire scene is TV history, but those two sentences are truly words to live by.
Best anti war speech ever.*period*
I don't care that this was in a fictional setting, because this applies to real world.
I definitely do agree, it is definitely the best anti-war speech ever written. I think war is a necessity and inevitably in human civilization, but it definitely does help weed out all the wars with no actual point.
@@LordDaret same feelings as you, I think war is horrible but is sometimes necessary. What the doctor said was also very spot on about what wars are
@@captainpep3 it's unfortunate that there are people that can't be reason with and at that point war is the only answer. But should be when there are no alternatives.
@@RexZShadow humans are stubborn creatures, for better and for worst. WWII is probably the best example of that
One of the issues I had, as a fan of the first 26 seasons, is that the newer seasons forgot about how interesting the Doctor could be outside of traveling in time and knowing all this knowledge. Season 9, however, works on so many levels because it gets to the heart of the Doctor. This scene is possibly one of the best scenes in the whole of the show's history because it shows the Doctor's pain, anguish, and in the face of it all, the ability to continue. Like 'Heaven Sent,' it reveals that no matter what happens to him, the Doctor's strength is his incredible reslience. And notice that while most shows would end this with an action scene, all we have is a few powerful performances, and it works brilliantly. This is Doctor Who at its finest.
I cry the 3 times i watch this episode.
Sorry for my english.
Moffat's master stroke. He was slowly building up to homaging the classic era, and by Series 9, the "old school" feel is certainly back, but without being boring.
Your English is better than any other language I speak.
Rings of Akhaten speech was really good too. The only difference is that that speech had music playing in the background whereas this one didn't (which makes it all the more powerful even though the Rings of Akhaten speech was more of my favorite).
Capaldi's performance was great. But the content of the Zygon Inversion speech -- it was one of the most insulting things the show has ever unintentionally articulated. That most people can't recognize that, overlook, or deliberately ignore what the speech really underlined is really unfortunate.
That whole scene is brilliant. The writing is terrific. Such an eloquent monologue about war. And Capaldi's acting is a true master class. When The Doctor says "you think this is a war... I've fought in a bigger war..." You can see the pain in Capaldi's voice and you imagine all the pain and death that the Doctor witnessed during the Time War. WOW.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 I am a Christian. Jesus is my Lord! I have read the entire Bible. And I believe the whole Bible is God's Truth.
I would masturbate violently on a bible if it meant spiting you religious fucks
@@sanfordrussell8549 buddy, please don’t do that. The Bible is truth. God is actually real and watching. I can guarantee you that would be bad for you in the afterlife. Hell is very real. It’s also not about punishment. It’s about a set of circumstances we’ve all been tied to. It’s like the default you have to opt out of. If you never go to Jesus Christ to get God’s Grace every sin you do ties you to things in hell. So I’m going to be blunt with you. If you did that you’d probably be tortured in level six or seven per every sperm and pump of your hand. Hell is extremely hyperbolic. Bare minimum on tortures is like 100 years. I imagine if you did that it’d be like 100 years of C&B torture per sperm. Seriously, a donkey would kick you in the D over and over again for 100 years, per sperm, and the average male has about a hundred million per load. Seriously, I’m not joking. This is true. It is what would happen to you ultimately. Please don’t do that to yourself.
This is, hands down, the single best 10 minutes of ANY season of Doctor Who, and as far as I am concerned cemtes Capaldi as the BEST version of the Doctor ever. And I grew up with Baker as "my Doctor".
The fact that neither Peter Capaldi or Jenna Coleman recieved any recognition or awards for pulling out so much raw emotion for this particular scene should be considered nothiong short of criminal.
it's no good bonny you can't win
I couldn't agree more......and Baker was "my doctor" too.
I want to see this acted by other doctors just as a challange.
@@chrissyclark7836 Honestly, I think the only other Doctor that could do this and do it any sort of justice would have to be David Tennant's Doctor. I like Matt Smith....but I feel he was too comedic at times, especially when the chips were down.
@@technewsfortechnoobs yh there is someone who actually did a pretty good david tennant accent for this but it just didn’t sound right but ofc It wasn’t really david so you’ll never know
"I mean, you call this a war, this funny little thing? THIS is not a war! I FOUGHT IN A BIGGER WAR THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW!!! I DID WORSE THINGS THAT YOU COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES...I HEAR MORE SCREAMS THAN ANYONE COULD EVER BE ABLE TO COUNT!!! And you know what to do with all that pain? Should I tell you where you put it? You hold it tight! Till it burns your hands! And you say this : ...NO ONE ELSE. WILL EVER. HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THIS; NO ONE ELSE WILL HAVE TO FEEL THIS PAIN! NOT ON MY WATCH!"
Mercure250 yeah, like how he killed 20000, people in pompei
+dragonfire68
That shouldn't count, he had no other choice.
Waluigi he said the same thing for when he thought he destroyed Gallifrey
Me with my depression
*"No More."*
"How much blood will spill until everybody does what they will always gonna have to do from the very beginning SIT DOWN AND TALK"
I felt that
Makes you think, how many waves of soldiers had to die to get their countries better leverage at a treaty signing.
This is honestly my favorite scene out of the entire of modern doctor who.
Mine too, I think.
Same. And for one line.
"After all youve done, i forgive you."
have you seen heaven sent.
Caitlin RC Actually same
Rings of Akatesh speech was also good
6:35
when the Doctor goes into Vietnam flashbacks about the time war. It's one of the moments you can actually feel for the doctor
Ikr. Like, those short, almost gasping sentences, the slight voice breaks, just that sense of wanting to get the point across without bursting into tears. And then Kate's "I'm sorry", since she probably has experience with reminding someone of war, given that her father was a soldier.
Callum Moore fuck now I’m crying. He legit looks like he’s on the edge of a panic attack. Damn this is so well acted. Wow Capaldis performance is criminally underrated.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 Shoving the bible down peoples throats is not the move to get people to join a cult.
It has nothing to do with Vietnam.
Why do Seppos have to make everything about them?
This is a BRITISH TV SHOW made for Brits by Brits.
It has nothing to do with Seppos.
I feel like this speech is particularly relevant right now. My heart goes a out to the many civilians dying in the current war.
"the boxes are empty we can't forget that"
"no, well you said that the last 15 times"
Are we all brushing over the fact he messed up 15 times in his speech and he wiped all their memories?
also at 9:50ish
+Random Person 9:37ish
I think she discovered it another way each 15 times. That doesn't mean this kind of situation happened 15 times, you know.
+Mercure250 it was his speech that stopped her until she was ready to listen
Or that she's said "we can't just forget that" 15 times before, in different situations.
If that speech defines the Capaldi era of Who, then I doubt people will be complaining. This is easily Steven Moffat's best speech, even better than some of the stuff he did for Tennant and Smith.
He co-wrote this episode with Peter Harness, so there's a fair chance that he actually did.
Moffat wasn't the head writer during David's run xP
+(Daniel Gale) Rayykz but he wrote 3 episodes
+Cameron Shields no harness wrote the episode up to this scene and the moff took over
The Puzzles Only 3 episodes tho.. I prefer Russel T Davies a lot more over steven moffat
The transitions from Doctor to Doctor are what have made the revival era who so engaging. Eccleston is moments from the Time War as he arrives, still convinced he killed them all. Over one series he learns to accept people in his life again and even falls for Rose. They sacrifice themselves to save each other and the universe but Eccleston dies and changes.
Tennant its still broken from the Time War, but actively wants to be happier but has no idea how to do it, and carries that misery with him over his whole time there long with his feelings for Rose. He loses her, and loses himself in adventures with Martha Jones who falls for him at the worst time but has the strength to leave once she realizes he'll never feel the same way. Once again she leaves and after meeting her once Donna Noble is a breath of fresh air. He lets her in as a friend and her departure becomes the hardest pill to swallow because she wanted to travel forever and can't even remember him without burning up. Lonely god is an apt description of him and eventually when he dies he tries to make peace with his fate (despite not wanting to go) and becomes Matt Smith
Smith tries to leave the memories of the Time war behind him and loses himself in adventures with Amy and Rory as their bizarre imaginary friend of sorts. River Song comes along and complicates his life more only to eventually lose all of them over time, which forces him to retreat once again until the mystery of Clara rears its head and he can't turn away. Of course by the time the mystery is solved he has to come face to face with the Time War once again, and with Tennant and the War Doctor sets everything as right as possible. He makes a last stand on Trenzalore and get's a new regeneration cycle. He saves the day once again at the expense of regenerating into Peter Capaldi.
Capaldi is more troubled and introspective at first, trying to decide what kind of man he is and runs into the Master as Missy. Through his time he confronts his anger, regret, and feels like a time Lord that has tried to learn from his experiences from the Time War as opposed to running from it. This scene is a perfect example of a man who internalized his pain and tries to use it to help people that are lost, like he was for so long. You see the whole of the Doctor's personality through Capaldi's run: aloof, bitter, impish, childlike, regretful, and is accepting of who he is. Even when he finally leaves, he comes to accept his own time as the Doctor and lets himself go.
Whether you enjoyed all of the revival or not, you have to respect the effort to string these elements in such a way that it's still the story of one person's struggle through pain and always looking for redemption. Sadly I never feel this continuity in current Who, but that's me. Here you see the whole of revival Who's pain on display in a powerful and effective scene.
Kinda sad that you or anyone can really do this for the Thirteenth, through no fault of Jodie either... Cause honestly, there's a bunch of moments in Jodie's run as the doctor where you go "She's incredibly good, if only the writing did her justice"
@@thelazywanderer_jt agreed. I would love to have seen her with a different writer, same with yaz
The 13 doctor is coherent to all this too. She is the doctor after accepting all the above. The one who can have fun again and explore just cause she can. The 12 doctor told his successor to have fun, laugh hard and be kind. Thats what 13 is like
The saddest part is that 10 just wanted to be around good people, and he revived alone, by himself, only the cold tardiss to comfort him.
It's a story of a man learning to grieve.
"Trust me. She never leaves."
Harsher in hindsight.
Maybe so, but to be honest Capaldi's Doctor needs her. she reminds him that it's not okay to give up on himself, and by proxy, the human race. I do believe Twelve wanted to give up but do it in a way that doesn't break the promise.
When is it ever not harsh?
11- “and what’s the alternative me standing over your grave?”
10- “how long are you going to stay with me?”
Rose- “forever”
Of course! just like "the long way round" which we all rejoiced over in "The Day of the Doctor".
And she's still in our hearts!
I'm here from the future (since your comment was 3 years ago). She came back.
What I love about this scene is how the Doctor does everything he can to stop war from happening. The boxes, the memory wipe, the speech, all because he has lived it. He has lived with the guilt of being the man who caused the genocide of his people, and even before he decided that, the things he did as the War Doctor has him always believing that what he did will end soon: Until he did it for too long. Before he realised it, every day of 'The end justified the means' became years of it and when he finally looked in the mirror, he was an old man. No longer the young incarnation that he saw reflected in his eyes when he first entered the fray. And when he stared through that reflection's eyes, he could see every single atrocity that the monster commited, every single life that it took for a better tomorrow, for the continuation of his people. And he declared there and then:
No More
After he 'wiped' out his race. He lived with the guilt for more than four hundred years. Always looking back at what he thought was the right thing at that time, always thinking in the back of his mind that there had to have been a better idea but never coming up with any solutions. The guilt and the pain has torn him apart many times and vowed to never allow such a thing to happen again and never let someone hold such pain. And so, in the face of war, he would rather be the pacifist than the warmonger if it meant no one else will die meaningless.
“The peak efficiency of knowledge and strategy is to make conflict unnecessary.”
"The greatest victory is that which requires no battle."
“Who wishes to fight must first count the cost”
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
"The wise warrior avoids the battle"
Even Sun Tzu agrees with the Doctor
All boils down to lack of guarantees in the war.
@@piotrd.4850 So many gamblers in charge of countries and armies. So many junkies and learning-deficients.
@@stevetheduck1425 Too true
this was one of my favorite episodes because Jenna Coleman got to play the villain and it was lovely.
Jake McCarty having to constanstly switch characters in this episode is impressive
She's always lovely :) Interestingly, she played a young Queen Victoria, who had blue eyes. They either gave her contacts or digitally altered her eye colour. But in one scene, she walks slowly past a mirror, and her reflection has her natural gorgeous colour. The Impossible Girl?
The moment where Capaldi proved he was a legendary Doctor. I tip my hat off to 12
6:34 this is beyond acting it doesn't even feel right to think that this isn't real. the pain in his voice it's so real. best performance i've ever seen
This. This shows that Peter capaldi's Doctor was actually really good. Even the best doctors had bad episodes and he's a great example of a good actor with mediocre writing.
This scene and the speech from heaven sent were the best scenes from capaldi.
I love how you can visibly see Clara's heart sink at what the Doctor's describing. Her actress portrays the conflicting emotions in hearing someone you look up to describing something so horrible in excruciating detail showing her he isn't exactly who she thinks he is. 5:11
are we forgetting the day of the doctor and 11, she SAW the people who would burn on Gallifrey if he pressed that button, she KNOWS he almost became a mass murderer killing two races, just because he DIDNT do it, for centuries he thought he did and had to live with that
Clara became my fav before rose...
1st Clara
2nd rose
3rd river
4th Martha
5th Donna
Still have to see last doctor with who she is
Got to agree with Julie up there; she's not being disappointed at seeing something in the Doctor she didn't know about; she witnessed what the Time War did to him first-hand.
She's just sad because he's having to dredge up all those horrible memories to give such a heartfelt speech, and she knows it tears him apart to not only recall the war, but his own part in it.
The way his voice breaks as he says "You just want cruelty to beget cruelty" is just so good
His line about holding pain tight in your hand, till it burns. Then using that pain to protect others from having to feel that pain... Chills. Every time.
The Doctor doesn't win battles with force, or weapons. He's mostly a logician who wins or accomplishes his victories with logic. He doesn't have a superpower or a weapon, he has logic and intelligence, and he can win many battles with words. He's a great logician and usually is able to influence people just with logic, almost like a magician...
He has superpowers ... this logic, no one ever posses it. It's his greatest superpower. It's a weapon, that his enemies fear the most. Oh and the sonic screwdriver, don't forget that. And Taaaaaaardis.
technically his ability to regenerate could be considered a super-power.
numbnuts C O M P A S S I O N
Feelings and the ability to help others develop empathy
But in the moments where he has had to use force (i.e. the Time War, Family of Blood, etc.), the Doctor is simply very dangerous.
This is so powerful. Even more so today. If only people would honestly talk AND listen. I loved this scene before...now, I struggle to hold back tears.
SIT DOWN AND TALK!!!
-yes, please, listen to him
Scale Model of war indeed.
Awesome speech. And heartbreaking, too.
The Zygon Inversion is hands down one of my most favourite Doctor Who episodes
That is my favorite line. Despite the fact that I wasn't in this situation and hopefully, I never will be, I honestly started shrinking in my seat as if it were my fault and he was yelling at me. To be honest, this show is the only one that has ever made me feel like that.
It's a rare gift that Capaldi has-to be yelling at someone in the scene and make you scared in the process.
There’s two big problems. What happens when one of the two parties says no, and starts teh war anyway, and you can’t wipe their memory or travel through time? And what if the two parties are unable to get along even if they talk without one side changing entirely because they have utterly incompatible views?
@@feartheghus, the Doctor makes sure of the positive outcome.
Mary Ann Bittle yes, but the comment was about how it’s true to real life when it’s not because neither you nor I have magic time travel or brainwashing abilities.
Watching this speech before taking a speech class or unit and after one is a completely new experience. You can see how he’s reaching down to speak genuinely and freely. Exploiting ethos, logos, and pathos in a way the professional speeches I had to analyze for the class didn’t. The writer of the speech: Brilliant for composing such a work that can really dig into your feelings and make you really think. The speaker: Just as brilliant. Execution of the speech is just as, if not more, important as the writing. Sending out raw emotions, staying in character, the hand motions and movements to emphasize points. Brilliant and beautiful. I can’t say much more. To comprehend what’s happening is one thing. To explain it fully and it’s effects is another. I feel as I feel as if someone watching this as their introduction to Doctor Who (Given some Zygon background info on their goals, of course) could gleam so much about the Doctor’s past and what kind of show this is as a whole. Intense action, but what’s truly up front is the mind games, speeches, and quiet moments where you’re on the edge of your seat where no music is present. That’s all I can say about this. Everything else you have to understand on your own.
This feels a good time to send this to all the worlds leaders
I doubt they'll watch there to blinded by hatred
or just china really
Not just the world's leaders at this point. Everyone needs this message at this point.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
I think this speech is when number 12 became my favorite doctor.
Same
Yes!!!!
omg same
Definitely not my favourite, but one of the best. The actor is perfect and the writing suits him up.
For me it's when he finally because 'the' Doctor. After this I was like 'Yep. He's the Doctor now.'
"you're all the same you screaming kids" I love that part
Screaming children complaining about things not being fair.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
The Doctor sounds so desperately relieved and grateful when Kate closes her box 7:20
Well, I'm sure her dad told her more than enough stories about The Doctor to know to LISTEN. TO. HIM.
this scene encompasses everything about the doctor:
he is tired of war but will fight to death to save people.
his wraith is endless but his mercy is without end.
he sees that war is stupidly pointless and pointlessly stupid.
he is the ultimate solider and the ultimate pacifist.
for me, this is not only peter capaldi's best performance as the doctor but the best scene in all of DW.
You can almost feel the pain of The Doctor through Peter Capaldi's acting.
"They only way anyone can live in peace is if they are prepared to forgive. So why dont you break the cycle?
...You dont know... how many hearts will be broken, how many lives shattered... until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the beginning. Sit. Down. And. Talk.
...And do you know what you do with all that pain? Shall I tell you where to put it? You hold it tight... till it burns your hand. And you say this: no one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will ever have to feel this pain. Not on my watch."
These words are what I need to remember. Not for war, not for politics. But for family and for all those who come from unloving homes.
I came from a cycle of abuse passed down from mother to daughter. I refuse to continue the cycle of resentment and bitterness. I might have endured a lot of pain but if I can help, just by being someone willing to hear a fellow abused child's story and tell them it's not all in their head... if i can minimise the pain then I will have done my job. I can't save them from being hurt, but I can save them from having to wait 22 years to realise what is happening to them. Not on my watch.
Some heroes don’t wear capes.
Stay strong! Rooting for you!
This scene is not only great in the Doctor Who universe but actually perfectly describes the issue with terrorism and the way we fight it. So many parallels to our situation. Both of the episodes describe perfectly the fight with terror that we have today.
Thanks for this words thats so true *no sarcasm*
it also describes what happens when empires forged by revolution get to high and mighty and think they will last forever because there will always be another revolution its a lesson trump needs to learn
Exile Studios Thank you for your comment, you are very right. :)
@@exilestudios9546 There will never be a communist America, you libs can rise up if you like but rest assured you will be put down. If America does die it will be because of people like you...
@@vrass775 and because of people like you American will eat its self alive and it already is
it’s times like these when i revisit this longer edit of this speech. I’m so glad it was never taken down
Here in 2022 watching the world play this out again. Where's The Doctor when we need them?
Everywhere. In everyone's mind, deep down, they know this exact speech. It's the anger and the animosity that blinds them and they can't see it.
I am so annoyed that doctor who didn't win Best Drama or Best actor this year at the Television Awards it so deserved it just on this scene alone it deserves so much more!!!
Richy J.B so much more!!.. 😢
@@boulevard14
Ten: I could do so much more! SO MUCH MORE! And it's NOT FAIR!
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
The raw emotion that you sense from Capaldi’s speech. The movements and gestures he makes, and the way he switches between The Mad Doctor and The Timelord that we know is constantly suffering internally... I have not seen anyone who has managed to give this much tension and gravity to a scene. It weighs even more when you realize the boxes are empty. Because now, you’ve started to think like he has. Seen things through the Doctor’s perspective. It was beautifully done.
I don't actually believe the boxes were empty. He just tells them they are, at the end, when he knows they're not going to be used.
Capaldi at his best. His craftsmanship is so sincere, so on point... i don't think anyone could pull this scene off any better than he did. His tenacity brought tears in my eyes.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
The Doctor breaks my hearts in this scene #notonmywatch
#notonmywatch
+Dan Sigley the part that breaks me is when he says "when I close my eyes! I can hear more screams than anyone could ever be able to count!!"... I can't even imagine how much pain that must mean to anyone...
+Takeru Minamoto a whole world of screams, a normal person would go insane if they heard that many screams
*****
I know, right?! That's why that part really gets me, specially with Capaldi's delivery, which is heart-wrenching
+Takeru Minamoto In my mind, I have heard the screams of all the entities still alive at the time the Sun becomes a Red Giant and destroys all life left on this Earth.
In my mind, I have heard the screams of all the entities sill alive at the time when the galaxy gets pulled into our galactic center's black hole.
In my mind, I have heard the silence of when the entire universe ends in a "big freeze" and no conscious entities are left to scream.
It's quite a contrast and quite depressing at times. I surely do hope it's all just in my mind.
Life itself appears to just be an illusion from our human perspective as far as eternity is concerned. One day we all die from something, a death that appears will last into an actual eternity. We will forget everything we ever knew and experienced, even the imaginations within our very own mind, and then one day in future eternity will be forgotten. (Or so it currently appears). But then again, since I do not know what I do not know, I will be the first to admit that I could be wrong. Maybe I will have an actual eternal conscious existence into future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, but "probably not". But it is possible by various methods that my mind could imagine.
"The Suckiness of Life"
Life sucks and then we die and/or life does not suck and then we still die. Then we either have a life after this life, which will probably suck and/or not suck, or we won't, and all suckiness for us will end for eternity. But, while we exist (however long that may be for), if life sucks, try to make it better and then it might not suck so bad.
Every conscious entity has basic choices, (even A.I.'s):
Help, Neutral, Hurt, and to whom to Help, Neutral, Hurt.
Choices, with all the consequences and ramifications, seen and unseen, of all of our choices, plus whatever nature can do to/for us. Then we apparently still die one day from something. But then what in actual reality for the rest of eternity? Currently it appears nothing at all for us. It just currently appears it will all end in an eternal silence for us either way. But, then again, maybe I am wrong.
If only the leaders of this world would take notice of this speech. :-(
+RedDwarfism They wouldn't understand. They would never understand... ;)
War is profit they don't care who dies.
Then perhaps they should have their power removed.
EmptyMan000 and a worst person will step up too take Thier place. you fail to understand how the world works
I understand the world as much or as little as you do. A person never gets too far unless others let them. The whole better the devil you know then the devil you don't argument only holds weight when you let the devil you don't know become worse. If I fail to understand that, then please educate me if you're so enlightened on how the world works.
It’s March 1st, 2022. This speech is just as important now as it was back then.
I love the bit around 3:00 where the Doctor asks “What’s it going to be like? Paint me a picture”; the fact that the mundane reality after the war hasn’t been considered speaks volumes about the lack of foresight with the war
THE best doctor moment since Tom Baker's 4th Doctor speech about wiping out the Dakek race.
outstanding acting and an outstanding Doctor.
That was hard core emotions
Ciapaldi even sounds a little bit like Mr. Baker. Not a great deal, but enough to notice.
Me too :)
Craig McAuliffe imagine the ninth giving this speech
dragenfire68 totally could imagine this!
This is why he’s my favorite Doctor, this speech here was the culmination of every Doctor up to him in one bitter laugh that showed his horror and pain that he had to live with until he reset the moment and saved his people.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
"So long as there is Mercy, always mercy"
Thanks, doc.
For a price :P
Were all soldiers now
Aww, Yeah
Hammer Down!!!
This speech is still so unimaginably relevant today. It absolutely blows my mind how well it's executed here, writtien/performed/edited/etc. Thank you, Doctor. We all need to here this.
* I desperately hope that there comes a day when it's no longer relevant.
I keep coming back to this speech, whenever the world is cruel.
3:42
I LOVE that question he asks. Because it speaks of an almost entirely unknown aspect of violent revolutions that the average person who wasn't a part of it, or covering them, knows.
When the revolution is over, 9 times out of 10, the real people in power during the revolution, execute the revolutionaries.
Because they know how to topple systems, how to wage guerrilla war. They know, literally, all the tricks to bring down their "brave new world". And therefore they represent a threat, The last threat to go.
So I love the deep, easily missed but obviously understood, meaning in that question.
Honestly with everything going off with Russia and Ukraine at the minute this speech has never felt so impactful, gives me chills and I love it
100%
Of all the great scenes that are there in Doctor Who, I've come to the conclusion that this is, for me, the best one.
Because Peter Capaldi manages to show all twelve doctors in these 10 minutes and he delivers every word in absolute perfection.
I want to send this to all the all the world leaders
I agree. Just up to the part before Bonnie realizes that the boxes are empty. Unfortunately we live in a world run by unenlightened, narrow-minded, self-interested bigots all willing to go to war for things like money, respect, and hate over things that happened yesterday all the way back to millenia ago. Who is going to break the cycle? Wouldn't that make them look weak? (sarcasm)
I'm afraid everyone needs to see this.
Agreed
The real problem with getting all the world leaders to sit down and watch this video is that the Doctors argument relies on people being rational. Rational people are more likely to make rational decisions. All it takes is one person who irrationally believes that they are right and their cause is true because it came from a higher power or total annihilation would be preferable to accepting a compromise and we get one of those buttons pushed. How do you argue with someone who knows exactly the world they want to get out of that choice and that world is following one voice, listening to one sermon, wiping out all opposing views and just stagnating. Because if the world is static, it is predictable. To some people, predictable feels safe. If no one is thinking new thoughts, the old thoughts won't get challenged. If there are no new thoughts, the status quo remains. Those in power, stay in power and those with no power stay that way.
Better yet, lock Capaldi, Trump, and Kim Jong Un in a room and just recreate this scenario
This scene, right here, was probably the 12th Doctor’s most defining moment, and what made me fully accept Capaldi as the Doctor. I mean, I thought he was a good Doctor before this, and he is a really good actor, but this scene pretty much erased any remaining doubts I had about him and made me say, “Hello Doctor.”
This feels SO applicable to current American society. I've lost count of how many times I've watched it.
Why just american society? Its applicable to society since the beginning
@@nickowen7406 Because we Americans are usually focused only on us, and the last three weeks, to say nothing of 2020 as a whole, have been a microcosm of this scene.
All countries are focused on themselves, broaden your perspective.
@@xevos67 you have to focus on yourself before you can focus on others
It's much more than that. It's about how we as people choose to live. We're so intent on winning, on securing ourselves, that we've forgotten how to be human. Somewhere along the way, we forgot how to forgive.
This is easily the greatest...the most well written ..one of the most emotionally powerful..and magnificently acted scenes in all doctor who leading on to so much other parts of Cinema
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
@@jamesmayle3787 what
I have no idea how many times I have watched this scene. The message itself is so powerful on it's own, but for anyone who knows the show and the doctor it's so much more powerful.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
A phenominal performance so much emotion, what makes it even better HE DID THIS IN ONE TAKE! I dont know if any of the other doctors, even my beloved TB could pull that off!
WOW thx 4 sharing that !! 1 TAKE,
that is amazing !!!
And this speech again will not be given a thought by those who don’t watch the show. This speech is one of the best anti-war speeches in modern history, and is especially relevant now after the shooting in Las Vegas, but nobody will think twice about this speech, because they think Doctor Who is just some dumb sci-fi show.
I think you are wrong, because to delve into such universal topics and material makes it more understandable, even if the person who hasn't watched it yet and not understand the context, at least in its entirety. Plus the acting is hard to ignore here.
I should know. I'm one of them and I'm only here from some picture posted on Imgur.
You say its "especially relevant now” as if there is ever a time it's not relevant.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book you chose yourself. The important part is combining the reading with the inner work Jesus Christ taught. Forgiveness is the thing that makes it all click. To be forgiven we must forgive. The key is our parents. They’ve loved us to some degree, feeding raising clothing, etc. we all build up grievances there. Actually dealing with those issues, and genuinely forgiving from within is what makes it all click. Seriously.
*This feels more relevant than ever; thoughts and prayers for all people and veterans alike from recent and new conflicts*
My favorite part is
"THIS IS WRONG!"
"No. It's not."
"THIS IS YOUR FAULT!"
"No, it's your fault."
"I'VE HAD TO DO WHAT I'VE DONE!"
"So did I."
"WE'VE BEEN TREATED LIKE CATTLE!"
"Say what?"
"WE'VE BEEN LEFT TO FEND FOR OURSELVES!"
"Says everyone."
Simple understated replies that absolutely dismantle her "points", and its clear she knows that.
Wow. This is amazing, head and shoulders with any monologue from past doctors. Move over Mr. Tenant, and thank you Mr. Baker for laying the ground work for such moments.
thank you! Tom Baker is my doctor, and no one will EVER compare, but he couldnt do this, hes not old enough! But he did give us the doctors personality, the rage and compassion the doctor needed to do this!
Simply one of the best monologues of the series. Series wasn't all bad. This double episode and Heaven Sent were incredible.
Heaven Sent is the best episode in al, of Modern Who and one of the best of all time.
World leaders should be made to watch this scene when they take office
"I did this on very important day for me" the end of the time war
All of this is sooo true. Sadly...
Connor Macfarlane it's always been since the beginning and it all started from one man
Not really. Wars can be declared for righteous reasons. And wars are the one thing that see's the most human innovation as it's innovation for survival. For example, Hitler invading Poland, declaring war on Germany was the correct course of action. If we let him conquer the entire world, how many millions do you think would have died in camps? All wars have their use, the issue is one side wins and reaps the rewards whatever they may be, new land, resources, wealth, survival. The loser, loses in every regard.
@@Scottx125Productions yes, but there can be even farther advances if rival civilizations just become one. Not through violence but through peace.
@@Scottx125Productions also people already knew what he was doing, people just didn't care. It wasn't until Hitler threatened there way of life is when the war started.
@@S_Warden It's sad really that war would take the lives of every man, woman, and children and that war is all just a battle for control. It's never about the safety, the security or the harmony of all ours or for the betterment of our world sometimes to justify one to most for the good of ours. All of this death which could have been prevented or never had to happen that had happened. All of the suffering and pain and for what....where does the page end or does it really have an end. It's easy to say on paper in history or like an end of a story "an ending" but implying of our own way of life continuum, a paradox of an endless cycle that will never break in infinite measure. It just a mere blink for the worst to come before it gets better
This scene cemented Capaldi as one of - if not my favorite - Doctor.
I forgot just how powerful this speech was..... and to think we may be entering his last season.. I hope not
+Gary Woolton Hes not.
I want 5 series of brilliance with Peter Capaldi :)
He said not too long ago that season ten would be his last.
Mia F screenrant.com/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-season-11/
The article says he might, he might not
"No one else will ever have to live like this. No one else will ever have to feel this pain! Not on my watch!"
"It's hell, isn't it? No one should have to think like that. And no one will. Not on our watch."
I watch this sometimes when another war starts or another conflict takes a turn for the worse. It makes me cry every time, but weirdly gives me a kind of peace.
I think this is hands down my favorite moment in all of Doctor who
I keep coming back to this speech. I think this is one of Capaldi's best and strongest performances as the doctor. Marking him as a doctor for me personally
If nothing else about this scene, 8:48 is the greatest showing of just how old the Doctor is, how much he's experienced previously - a man utterly exhausted from the life he's had to live and the atrocities he's survived.
The perfect example of "immortality isn't a blessing, it's a curse"
This is the most beautiful speech ever.