Just for the record, this is a strictly powerlifting comparison. Thor has expressed a lot of interest in powerlifting before so we figured it would be interesting to see how he would stack up against the best to ever do it. In no way are we trying to claim Ray could come close to Thor in a strongman competition. But for now, in our opinion, Thor can't beat ray in powerlifting even with a perfect meet. Do not underestimate the effect of equipment cause sleeves and a stiff bar will make Thor's total take a major hit. Let us know what you think! Should be an interesting discussion.
@@jangofett8210 It's from one meet, we just listed his best deadlift for completeness. Full world record total here: ua-cam.com/video/5rXtBE35SsU/v-deo.html
Strong man competition doesn't include bench as an official competition lift. Instead the strength standard for an upper body press is the over head press. Log lift overhead is very popular in strong man. Also strong man does many different types of dead lifting. Not just the standard conventional or sumo. That is the limit of types of dead lifting found in power lifting. Strong man has far more variety of types of deads and squats. That are officiall competition lifts. So they're much different.
kendra campbell I don’t think he’s talking about competition events themselves . He means all strongman could do what a power lifter does , ie SBD whether it be in competition or just training . But few power lifters could log press , or axel press , or carry atlas stones and do the things strongman do.
@@barbell_barriente l think your right l misinterpreted it. In that case l see his point. Strong man do what power lifters do and more. Except bench in competition. But they still train bench in the off season and in prep leading up to competition.
The fact that a WSM winner can have comparable numbers in powerlifting to someone who is considered one of the best powerlifter of all time at his peak should show you how strong and versatile strongmen are.
ysf yeah but he used wraps though not sleeves which depending on the person can add 50-100 lbs to you squat where sleeves add 0-15 lbs on your squat so I still think rays is more impressive
Hafthor made that 904 deadlift look so easy. He could have done a lot more. He honestly has a lot of unrealized potential in the bench and squat too. If he trained for powerlifting specifically he'd be unstoppable.
335kg without a bench shirt is the world record. Kirill Sarychev in 2015. 86kg for Thor to go. If he specialised in powerlifting, who knows what he could do??
@@dansmith9724 I'm not talking about bench results in particular, but totals. It shows that Thor's bench is already at a level where he could beat the world record total if he hits a better squat.
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N you need to change your initial post from referring to him benching and say total. If you read your initial statement, you are referring to bench pressing. Even if your talking about totals, theres still guys squating and deadlifting. Sure he'd be in the top group of lifters but not standing out on his own. Personally id like to see Thor and Shaw break that 500kg barrier and push each other.
Thor has been training for powerlifting only recently. During his visit to Moscow he told Sarychev he doesnt usualy do bench press, so he could easily up it to 260-270 kg. His deadlift could also easily go up, that meet in Iceland was just his first try at powerlifting. As for squats - its hard to say, but credits to Ray, his technique is just marvelous.
They can't really be compared fairly in my opinion. Yes, Ray is currently stronger than Hafthor in specific Powerlifting, but strongman contains so much more. Also, one is tested, one is not, which simply makes it impossible to compare the two. Thor is probably stronger tho on a general basis not only including Meet PRs.
@@AJ-xv7oh Even if Ray is taking stuff, It'd have to be significantly less than Hafthor and different more specified drugs. Hafhor can use whatever, while Ray has to be careful IF he's using. Being tested certainly makes a massive difference regardless.
@@BackGuy nah i use certain things to get stronger can't change that and powerlifting testing is bs Ever heard of a top athlete banned for substance abuse? See if the say it is tested doesn't actually mean shit unless there is proof
Szymon Godlewski yeah that’s not true. Brian Shaws lean mass was like 330. I’d bet quite a few of the top strongman have more lean mass than Ray Keep in mind Rays 6 ft tall. Strongmen are 6’6+ they have a bigger frame to add more meat to
You have to take into consideration this was Thors first powerlifting meet and he only trained a few weeks for this in between strongman training. He also did a 460kg squat at the meet (which looked alright) but got 2/3 red lights. Reckon if he fully dedicated himself to powerlifting for at least a year he could take it.
@@noland5345 ray Williams is drug tested tho,he looks like he’s on a ton of roids but he probably natty.bodily that but IPF is so strict although Thor’s third sqaut attempt should have been counted but then u fave to take pounds away from that since ray did his squat with just sleeves which is way harder
@@pbkimblee1858 ya that wouldn’t surprise me but ray does pass random drug tests and with these drug tests you can’t just say no.just look at how wide rays shoulders are through dude clearly got insane genetics
Hafbjorn did a 460kg pretty easy. He mabye could have pulled another 10kg on that deadlift. It Is his frist powerlift meet too so if he took it serious for like a year or two he would smash the world record with 20-30kg I think. Imagine if Eddie hall would compete tho. He never trained for powerlifting but he said he did a raw 300kg bench with barley any training, 440kg deadlift. I am unsure if his squat but he takes over 420kg for sure. He could possible have a total of 1150-1250 if he took it seriously and focused purely on powerlifting and powerlifting techniques
He wouldn't, take off wraps and deadlift bar away from thor and ray is another 60kg + these 12.5kg. in one year I highly doubt it, he wouldn't crush it under same rules in his lifetime, also you got to remember that ipf is a tested meet, so if even ray uses drugs, he can't get the same benefit from them.
It was Thor's first kick at the can lol.....how long has Ray been competing and working toward's ONLY those lifts? Thor will easily smash Ray's numbers...
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze everybody is on some shit don't get fooled. They only get tested right before and after the competition. They even cheat in sports where the antidoping commission show up unannounced at your doorstep.
Thor did a 460kg squat and just barely didn't get 2/3 white lights. It was really close, in my opinion it was deep enough. If he would have gotten this he would have the WR total, and I've no doubt he would get it if it he trained for it
@@tatts_with_traps come on though with a few months training ray could do strongman same deal. If anything that'd make more sense because there's no testing during comps. They'd be on even footing there
I used to train wrestling and had just started doing weights aged 30 and weighing 88kg. After a few months I finally did a deadlift of 120kg!!!!! I was mega impressed!!! Later I started talking to a skinny teenage girl 48kg and she said she does weights. I said like what? She said deadlifts so I asked how much do you lift and she said 3 reps of 120kg. I nearly cried. In my defence, it transpired that she was training with the UK powerlifting team. Later, I had to do wrestling sparring with her and was quite worried due to her lifting numbers but the weird thing is, when I grabbed hold of her and she was trying to stop submissions and being manhandled etc she just felt like a child with no strength compared to me. Im guessing its because she had strength in one very specific movement whereas I was wiry strong but no good at lifting - strength and technique wise. Not sure I would like to try with these two guys tho.....
Holy crap! 420kg deadlift without straps by Thor is accully mental! I didn't expect his grip to be that good, considering him usually trains and competes with straps.
There's no way this guy is able to compete on Thor's levels for log press. I'm sure Ray does shoulders to stabilize his bench and does incline to help round out his chest group to see continued gains, which would give him great strength in his shoulders. However, for WSM levels of shoulder strength? No, not nearly enough training to even hope to compete in WSM. Thor has stated on his channel he does more incline than flat, and only does his chest like maybe two times a month. And he's still that strong at bench.
Obviously. You can't have the best of both worlds. If he specialized and trained in only one (say bench press) he wouldn't be strongman worthy. But if he did try to specialize in bench he has well over 200 lbs he needs to make up for to be near world record.
Ray’s deadlift seems very low relative to his squat. Is there a reason for this or is he always so far ahead by that point that he only deadlifts what he needs to win?
what About Larry wheels 600 pound bench and he's half the size of both of them (with wraps) and hes 900 pound squat even two weeks out from a bodybuilding competition!
Brandon Lilly said that powerlifters need to be very happy that Strongmen do not raid the record books. Its two different animals, but strongmen would make the powerlifting competitive fields a whole new world if they decided to cross over. The IPF and USAPL might be safer because they do a lot of drug testing, but untested feds would be easy pickings for strongmen to annihilate powerlifters.
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze never said it would be easy. But as we see.... Halfthor pushed that 970 like it was fuck all. most strongmen don't power lift because they like the dynamic aspect of the sport. they don't want to move in a fixed position. i train in a strongman gym and let me tell you... those guys could make the competition very nervous if they switched gears.
Hafthor deadlifted 501kg, if he comes back at 100% strenght he is atleast pulling 450/460 in comp. It's literatelly 200 pounds less he pulled in that comp, even 425/430 is enough and he can definetely do that.
What Ray is doing is really impressive. Thor is like a full time strong man and is barely nothing else but a strong man. That’s his job. While Ray is a Foot Us coach and has a job he needs to attend for a living. Both men are strong as duck though.
@@anuragpandey553 intelligent point man, no one is disputing that hafþór is stronger I live In Iceland myself and I'm a big fan of his, but there is a good reason he didn't show the elephant bar deadlift because he is comparing their powerlifting lifts.
That's not the argument though. The argument is can Thor just walk into powerlifting and take all the records because strongman fans claim that to be the case.
Why use only powerlifts? Should have included some pressing or neutral lifts. Also, considering that was Thor's first meet and both his squat and dead were obviously not maxes, it's a bit disingenuous to say Ray is stronger. Ray trains all of these lifts as his main focus, Thor does not. The only comparable lift for them both might be the deadlift which goes to Thor easily.
He failed his next deadlift attempt which was either 420 or 430. Also not sure how much of a difference the knee wraps would make but when the total is only 12.5 it definitely matters. Ray is stronger now but hafthor would definitely win if he trained for it
@@craigairey5696 you're talking about powerlifting...comparing one person that dedicates himself to those 3 lifts specially and the other doesn't... Thor came to his 1st powerlifting meet,won it and fell short from the world record total by that little margin you already know...so...NO...those 12.5kg are shit...since this was just his 1st meet... Taking in count they're 3 different lifts,a strongman(world strongest man)would add those 12.5kg to his total like eating a hot dog. Just notice he fell that short even having a relatively weak bench press since STRONGMEN don't train that too much...so again...The answer to the video is... Strongmen would/will smash the powerlifting total records if they train for those specific lifts!!
@@craigairey5696 I'll give you that Ray would win in his sport right now with Thor not having trained for it, that much is obvious. On the deadlift, yes he failed his last attempt but his grip was the limiting factor. Should Thor train his grip specifically for a PL style deadlift he would easily add another 10-20kg to his meet number within a short timeframe.
Thor lifted 1045 at the Arnold Classic with an elephant bar for a deadlift. From what I gather, never having used an elephant bar myself, is that it's an insanely difficult bar to use. It would be interesting to see the crossover capabilities of both men. I do believe Thor was the world's strongest man in 2018, Martins Licis is number for 2019. Ironically when it comes to Martins, I don't think he's stronger than Thor, his technique is just so perfect.
Ik this is an old post, but also outside of winning WSM in 2018, Thor won every single weight lifting competition he entered the entire year, that is the most dominant strongman ever. The strongest strongman ever. Is 2018 Thor, and it's really not even close.
That was cool to watch... closer than I thought it would be. How much does each man weigh? Also, I have see Thor lift more than what is depicted in these videos (e.g. deadlift). Anyway, power to weight ratio would be interesting. Thank you for the video 👍
The way i see it, strongmen are good to top level powerlifters in every aspect of powerlifting Powerlifters are selectively top tier strongmen but may not excel in unorthodox events
This just proves that even in just powerlifting events, strongmen can keep up and even beat them. So its easy to assume that strongmen are stronger than powerlifters.
He used an elephant bar at the Arnold, which is longer and has 2" wide plates on it which makes the weight farther away from the leverage point(the hands) giving the bar more bend, which means the bar travels more before all the weight leaves the ground making the bottom of the lift easier.
Nice. Maybe powerliftes should enter strongman tournament and give a blast their mighty strength in such a feats as log, tire, truck pull or atlast stone?
@K2Karakoram Except the numbers you're using from Thor are from his only meet and in training he's done considerably better. Thor hit his 460kg for one thing so that's already narrowed the gap and his best deadlift in training is well above that 904lbs.
Thor’s pressed 213 on a log and his biggest bench is 250, sure with more practice he could go higher but a heavy log doesn’t automatically mean a huge bench
@headband og Not that much. Most olympic weightlifters press almost as much as they bench, if they ever bench at all. Most successful powerlifters bench far more than they press, like twice as much, probably more like 3x for the bench specialists, and the ones on the lighter weight classes who bench with huge arches and tiny ROM. A lot of very successful powerlifters do very little overhead work at all because other forms of flat pressing (boards/pins/floor/CG/etc) and dips give far more carryover to bench.
@@BigUriel Nope. He is right. In my experience, a 185 lb strict press is the equivalent of 2 plates (225 lb) on the bench press (even i you do not train the bench at all). But the reverse is not true.
Ray is stronger in powerlifting and Thor is stronger in strongman events. When you get to the level of mastery these guys are at, training becomes so task specific that each guy excels at what he trains for. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
@@Souldier187 ray is natty and gets Wada testing regularly outside competition. There simply isn't enough incentive in PL to go through so much effort to cheat the tests especially when untested federations exist.
hasan begic I didn’t say he never juiced but there is a big difference between tested and untested federations. Untested could’ve juiced up that day. Tested means you’re either drug free or you’ve been off of your cycle for at least a time meaning if you are on Gear you aren’t at your strongest.
One big difference is the events strongman has more events per comp and an even longer list of potential events....not to mention strong.men have events that are timed or repped. It would be interesting to see a WR RECORD heavy weight powerlifter make the switch and see how they do in the movement events
Thor is stronger, no doubt about that. Strength isn't just squat, bench and deadlift. Strongman is a much better test of overall strength, it has way more events not just 3 lifts. If strongman focused more on bench instead of overhead press, they could possibly take some powerlifting records
Strongman is on a different level of strength, not taking a thing away from powerlifting, but strongman's are more versatile the way they apply their strength overall championships
so what is the numbers by Ray on yoke carry and timber carry and stone lift and stone to shoulder and dumbell press also axel press and austrian oak :) ? maybe half what Thors so if you compare this events to than Thor win with 1500 kg ? !!!!! :) :) :)
Just for the record, this is a strictly powerlifting comparison. Thor has expressed a lot of interest in powerlifting before so we figured it would be interesting to see how he would stack up against the best to ever do it. In no way are we trying to claim Ray could come close to Thor in a strongman competition. But for now, in our opinion, Thor can't beat ray in powerlifting even with a perfect meet. Do not underestimate the effect of equipment cause sleeves and a stiff bar will make Thor's total take a major hit. Let us know what you think! Should be an interesting discussion.
Strength Central but isn’t making Rays total from two different meets breed inconsistencies?
@@jangofett8210 It's from one meet, we just listed his best deadlift for completeness. Full world record total here: ua-cam.com/video/5rXtBE35SsU/v-deo.html
Eddy hall dead lifted 500kg
You consider Ray Williams to be the best powerlifter of all time?
@@couenmoore3603 lol no one deadlift 1000 kg it was 500kg.
The World's Strongest Man is the world's strongest man.
Brooooooooooo
Haha I was literally going to write the exact same thing.
@Joseph Kobatake Neither are natural..
Joseph Kobatake If you think either of them are natural you don’t understand the human body or drugs lmao
Actually is Andrey Konovolov
All Strongman are Powerlifters, but not all Powerlifters are Strongmen.
rafael cisneros broscience fan i see
Strong man competition doesn't include bench as an official competition lift. Instead the strength standard for an upper body press is the over head press. Log lift overhead is very popular in strong man. Also strong man does many different types of dead lifting. Not just the standard conventional or sumo. That is the limit of types of dead lifting found in power lifting. Strong man has far more variety of types of deads and squats. That are officiall competition lifts. So they're much different.
kendra campbell I don’t think he’s talking about competition events themselves . He means all strongman could do what a power lifter does , ie SBD whether it be in competition or just training . But few power lifters could log press , or axel press , or carry atlas stones and do the things strongman do.
@@barbell_barriente l think your right l misinterpreted it. In that case l see his point. Strong man do what power lifters do and more. Except bench in competition. But they still train bench in the off season and in prep leading up to competition.
kendra campbell yeah exactly cause I’ve seen a lot of strongmen post benching videos ‘for fun’ and they put up some big numbers
440kg squat at 6’9 is one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen
yeah im 6 1 and its hard for me to squat. This guy is amazing. Even for deads aswell.
He easily had more in the tank, at least 5-10kg with that speed.
Andrew Lin 6’6. I have elevate my heels using 2.5kg plates and then done even get half 440. Crazy
I'm 6'3 and is so hard can't imagine 6'9
490kg squat by Ray..
The fact that a WSM winner can have comparable numbers in powerlifting to someone who is considered one of the best powerlifter of all time at his peak should show you how strong and versatile strongmen are.
Steroids do that
Rays squat is unbeleivable. 490kg is just insane
ever heard of Vlad Alhazov?
@@realmaniac 525 kg wtf lol
ysf yeah but he used wraps though not sleeves which depending on the person can add 50-100 lbs to you squat where sleeves add 0-15 lbs on your squat so I still think rays is more impressive
@@pmwfitness9511 straps? 😁
@@pmwfitness9511 i didnt know that thanks for the info
Almost half a ton on his back. I can´t even imagine that.
Strong fellas.
You should check out Thors 1000lb squat attempt. They gave him red lights for depth but damn was it close.
@@tommywho924 I also saw that one. Incredible.
tommywho924 cant find the video can u please link me that video.
@@JUNIOR43950 Search for "Hafthor Bjornsonn - 1100 kg (2425 lbs) Total - Thor's Powerlifting Challenge
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Minute 1:04
@@JUNIOR43950 ua-cam.com/video/JlYF_B2X2mk/v-deo.html
Its at the 1 min mark in case that time stamp doesn't work properly.
Hafthor made that 904 deadlift look so easy. He could have done a lot more. He honestly has a lot of unrealized potential in the bench and squat too. If he trained for powerlifting specifically he'd be unstoppable.
yeah, now it could be more interesting cause, as we know, Thor can deadlift 501kg
@@MrFackoffline He can't really though, that was with straps and a suit. his best raw is like 415kg.
still insane, but nowhere near elite powerlifters
@@tal7971 it's just different deadlift then. It's not like the best powerlifter can just put the suit and straps and pull 501 kg, right?
I understand that this was strictly powerlifting comparisons, but Thorn did deadlift 1000+
This was strap-less
Adrian Chavez not kg
Luqaza no shit not kg
Fact Check Ray beats Thor with straps? Lol fuck outta here
That was with a elephant bar. I think it was 1046lbs
Idiots out there: "Thor's bench is disappointing"
Thor: literally benches more than the strongest powerlifter ever.
335kg without a bench shirt is the world record. Kirill Sarychev in 2015. 86kg for Thor to go. If he specialised in powerlifting, who knows what he could do??
@@dansmith9724 I'm not talking about bench results in particular, but totals. It shows that Thor's bench is already at a level where he could beat the world record total if he hits a better squat.
Im just going off what you said, he literally benches more than the strongest powerlifter ever.
I cant get that mixed up.
@@dansmith9724 the strongest TOTAL powerlifter, not the strongest BENCH powerlifter.
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N you need to change your initial post from referring to him benching and say total. If you read your initial statement, you are referring to bench pressing. Even if your talking about totals, theres still guys squating and deadlifting. Sure he'd be in the top group of lifters but not standing out on his own.
Personally id like to see Thor and Shaw break that 500kg barrier and push each other.
Thor could hold his own in powerlifting don't know if ray could do well in strong man
he would not he is not very athletic. his static strength is insane, but its not enough for wsm
To tubby
Yeah lets see him do some farmer cart walks or atlas stone.
honestly would be easier for thor if he limited his training to only 3 events instead of all the crazy events like truck pull that they have in WSM
@@m1ckyg21 think ray woud body thor at powerlifting
Now I understand why Cersei choose the mountain as a bodyguard
Thor has been training for powerlifting only recently. During his visit to Moscow he told Sarychev he doesnt usualy do bench press, so he could easily up it to 260-270 kg. His deadlift could also easily go up, that meet in Iceland was just his first try at powerlifting. As for squats - its hard to say, but credits to Ray, his technique is just marvelous.
Damn right...he deadlifted 501 kgs lol
Yo I swear to God on everything that was Mark Henry
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Hafthor has deadlifted 1047 with the elephant bar at the Arnold strongman classic.
They can't really be compared fairly in my opinion. Yes, Ray is currently stronger than Hafthor in specific Powerlifting, but strongman contains so much more. Also, one is tested, one is not, which simply makes it impossible to compare the two. Thor is probably stronger tho on a general basis not only including Meet PRs.
Anders Gjellan but like he said this is powerlifting only
One is tested and one is not hahahahahahahahahaha
@@AJ-xv7oh that makes a difference. Having to clean up for a contest takes at least some toll. Can't deny that
@@AJ-xv7oh Even if Ray is taking stuff, It'd have to be significantly less than Hafthor and different more specified drugs. Hafhor can use whatever, while Ray has to be careful IF he's using. Being tested certainly makes a massive difference regardless.
@@BackGuy nah i use certain things to get stronger can't change that and powerlifting testing is bs Ever heard of a top athlete banned for substance abuse? See if the say it is tested doesn't actually mean shit unless there is proof
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Thor deadlifted 900+ faster than I pick up 315 wtf
Thor has so much more in that deadlift, jeez he pulled that 410 like it was nothing 😨
His Squat wasn't at limit either
Hes done 474 i think
473-474
Well yeah, he has the world record for deadlift
Alex Olson No he doesn’t lol. Eddie hall does. Do your research dipshit.
Hafthor’s deadlift is over 1100 pounds...
This is a 1 year old video Einstein
And in a deadlift only event. Your deadlift is always weaker after squats and bench
Ray’s deadlift grip is almost a snatch grip wtf
he is like super fat 180kg. how to get to the bar with that fat?
Because he is a fat slob
@@soybean70and is a person with the highest fat free mass in the world (over 300 pounds)
Szymon Godlewski not anymore. The video with Brian Shaw’s was analyzed his was over 330lb
Szymon Godlewski yeah that’s not true. Brian Shaws lean mass was like 330. I’d bet quite a few of the top strongman have more lean mass than Ray Keep in mind Rays 6 ft tall. Strongmen are 6’6+ they have a bigger frame to add more meat to
You have to take into consideration this was Thors first powerlifting meet and he only trained a few weeks for this in between strongman training. He also did a 460kg squat at the meet (which looked alright) but got 2/3 red lights. Reckon if he fully dedicated himself to powerlifting for at least a year he could take it.
Thor is stronger we all know this moutain just deadlifted 501kg how can a strongman bench more than a powerlifter xD they dont even bench in comp
Thor beat him in everything expect the squat in this video which is understandable Thor’s fucking tall as shit
@@noland5345 if thor wasnt as tall as he is ooooohh man that would be some fucked up shit
Also i like him but he cant handlw defeat bro :(
@@noland5345 ray Williams is drug tested tho,he looks like he’s on a ton of roids but he probably natty.bodily that but IPF is so strict although Thor’s third sqaut attempt should have been counted but then u fave to take pounds away from that since ray did his squat with just sleeves which is way harder
@@fincenstraightsavage5532 Ray is not natty
@@pbkimblee1858 ya that wouldn’t surprise me but ray does pass random drug tests and with these drug tests you can’t just say no.just look at how wide rays shoulders are through dude clearly got insane genetics
That guy looks exactly like Mark Henry
Sujal The First Aries Army not all black people look a like !
@@myname1989 in this case, Ray looks EXACTLY like Henry. Stop turning everything into a race war
My Name Are you fucking around right now?
eddie laughing in the background with his 500 kilo deadlift
this comment did not age well. BTW they compare strapless deadlifts
Eddie would probably lift even less than that as he is even more straps dependant
501 by thor also 500 kg squat is more impressive to me
Hafbjorn did a 460kg pretty easy. He mabye could have pulled another 10kg on that deadlift. It Is his frist powerlift meet too so if he took it serious for like a year or two he would smash the world record with 20-30kg I think.
Imagine if Eddie hall would compete tho. He never trained for powerlifting but he said he did a raw 300kg bench with barley any training, 440kg deadlift. I am unsure if his squat but he takes over 420kg for sure. He could possible have a total of 1150-1250 if he took it seriously and focused purely on powerlifting and powerlifting techniques
@Gore4ever FulciLives 400 should be pretty easy for eddie even with injuries. it is just so far below his max
Yep
He wouldn't, take off wraps and deadlift bar away from thor and ray is another 60kg + these 12.5kg. in one year I highly doubt it, he wouldn't crush it under same rules in his lifetime, also you got to remember that ipf is a tested meet, so if even ray uses drugs, he can't get the same benefit from them.
His new bench series will really show his powerlifting potential imo
He attempted a heavier deadlift and failed on grip.
Thor has pulled 1000 on deadlift. I think this video should show their actual records.
1000 pounds with an elephant bar. There's quite a difference
and with straps
I mean, if we are talking straps i would imagine thor has done more than that considering Brian Shaw does 1025 in his training.
Ray's record would improve as well if they would have different equipment
@@asbjoern09 no 490 kg is the world record for deadlift with elephant bar and belongs to Thor
It was Thor's first kick at the can lol.....how long has Ray been competing and working toward's ONLY those lifts? Thor will easily smash Ray's numbers...
Lmao
He’ll smash the numbers and fail the drug test.
Ray still wins.
He’d never catch that squat and Thor’s best lift arguably is the deadlift.
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze everybody is on some shit don't get fooled. They only get tested right before and after the competition. They even cheat in sports where the antidoping commission show up unannounced at your doorstep.
Great to know.
Ray is STILL stronger in the squat, bench & deadlift.
Don't forget that Ray is tested, I don't say natural, but surely tested
I strongly disagree. Thor has had one meet. Is stronger already in two lifts and used different equipment.
He also used elephant bar on DL which makes a difference and squats he used wraps which allowed him to do more weight
Thor had more in that deadlift and that squat
Dallas Hopping elephant bar isn’t easier ask Larry Williams
The different equipment that he used made it much easier for him
@@johnnord9736 bar was literally made to make deadlifting easier. if it wasnt easier he would have used a stiff bar
To be fair on most of Thor’s lifts he moved it fairly easily
Cause he on steroids
@@winolowardichelli2850 So is everyone else. He's still one of the strongest men in the world. What's your point?
Thor did a 460kg squat and just barely didn't get 2/3 white lights. It was really close, in my opinion it was deep enough. If he would have gotten this he would have the WR total, and I've no doubt he would get it if it he trained for it
a comparison with Andrey Malanichev would have been more relevant imo
Exactly it's not like Thor is drug tested
@3 name changes allowed every 90 days. Tested. I mean if Thor could piss clean during and shortly after a contest then id put him in the same category
@3 name changes allowed every 90 days. I never said I didn't like it
@@tatts_with_traps come on though with a few months training ray could do strongman same deal. If anything that'd make more sense because there's no testing during comps. They'd be on even footing there
wouldnt give the same amount of views i assume
I used to train wrestling and had just started doing weights aged 30 and weighing 88kg. After a few months I finally did a deadlift of 120kg!!!!! I was mega impressed!!! Later I started talking to a skinny teenage girl 48kg and she said she does weights. I said like what? She said deadlifts so I asked how much do you lift and she said 3 reps of 120kg. I nearly cried. In my defence, it transpired that she was training with the UK powerlifting team.
Later, I had to do wrestling sparring with her and was quite worried due to her lifting numbers but the weird thing is, when I grabbed hold of her and she was trying to stop submissions and being manhandled etc she just felt like a child with no strength compared to me. Im guessing its because she had strength in one very specific movement whereas I was wiry strong but no good at lifting - strength and technique wise. Not sure I would like to try with these two guys tho.....
Holy crap! 420kg deadlift without straps by Thor is accully mental! I didn't expect his grip to be that good, considering him usually trains and competes with straps.
They are beasts in their own sports.
I’d like to see ray do atlas stones and log press though.
Ray doesn't look like one who can have too much resistance or be dinamic, but maybe I'm wrong.
@@polymindgames I reckon it'll be the other way round, he probably overhead presses a lot to assist his bench
@@polymindgames True
There's no way this guy is able to compete on Thor's levels for log press. I'm sure Ray does shoulders to stabilize his bench and does incline to help round out his chest group to see continued gains, which would give him great strength in his shoulders. However, for WSM levels of shoulder strength? No, not nearly enough training to even hope to compete in WSM. Thor has stated on his channel he does more incline than flat, and only does his chest like maybe two times a month. And he's still that strong at bench.
ray can't even do a box jump without falling on his ass .. like maddox
"All strongmen, are, and can be powerlifters, but not all powerlifters can be strongmen."
- Broscience
I say Thor's 460 kg squat counted. Watch the meet, it's pretty much the same as his 440 kg.
If it got red lighted, then It doesn't count mate
"Pretty much" is the difference
@@jamescellio6504 true, but it is not unfair to question judging
@@epaminontas6972 true
S G go watch it and tell me what you think
Thor is not even training to have a huge bench or squat
Obviously. You can't have the best of both worlds. If he specialized and trained in only one (say bench press) he wouldn't be strongman worthy. But if he did try to specialize in bench he has well over 200 lbs he needs to make up for to be near world record.
Yeah he mainly train deadlift because its very important for strongman
Ray’s deadlift seems very low relative to his squat. Is there a reason for this or is he always so far ahead by that point that he only deadlifts what he needs to win?
None of them are Thor's PR u may even compare to Brian shaw or Eddie Hall btw
They cud have lifted double with CT fletcher shouting next to them
what About Larry wheels 600 pound bench and he's half the size of both of them (with wraps) and hes 900 pound squat even two weeks out from a bodybuilding competition!
eddie hall did 661 lbs
Larry wheels did 675 on bench, hes also 24 years old, with a 900 pound deadlift
Larry is also on juice for most of his life... just listen to his voice.
@@stevemcvay2220 all the strength athletes are. What's your point, other than telling us that you're naive af about juice?
@@stevemcvay2220 do you really believe that Thor or Ray arent on juice? lol
These aren't even PR's besides perhaps that 490kg squat
Ray williams only does static lifts
I think Thor would do great in powerlifting
Ray would have a very hard time with some events at wsm
Ray would gas on on like 99% of the events lol
What about Malanichev? I love Ray, but that would have been a better comparison...
malanichev wins...
Brandon Lilly said that powerlifters need to be very happy that Strongmen do not raid the record books. Its two different animals, but strongmen would make the powerlifting competitive fields a whole new world if they decided to cross over. The IPF and USAPL might be safer because they do a lot of drug testing, but untested feds would be easy pickings for strongmen to annihilate powerlifters.
Well said
Powerlifting has been around for 50+ years.
If it were that easy, they would have done it already.
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze They don't care to because there is no money in powerlifting, whereas strongman is a legitimate profession
@@Aeklypsis lol keep telling that to yourself, maybe one day youll believe it too
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze never said it would be easy. But as we see.... Halfthor pushed that 970 like it was fuck all. most strongmen don't power lift because they like the dynamic aspect of the sport. they don't want to move in a fixed position. i train in a strongman gym and let me tell you... those guys could make the competition very nervous if they switched gears.
Hafthor deadlifted 501kg, if he comes back at 100% strenght he is atleast pulling 450/460 in comp. It's literatelly 200 pounds less he pulled in that comp, even 425/430 is enough and he can definetely do that.
What Ray is doing is really impressive. Thor is like a full time strong man and is barely nothing else but a strong man. That’s his job. While Ray is a Foot Us coach and has a job he needs to attend for a living. Both men are strong as duck though.
Crazy how john haack's bench is nearly the same as these 2
Rick Weil benched more than these two weighing the same as haack:
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Thought that was mark henry for a second
*Strongman is untested. Powerlifting is heavily tested.*
Crazy part is thor has exceeded all these past maxes already of u keep up with his YT channel. Bro deadlifts 1000+ and squats 1000+
Thor has a really impressive bench for his size. His arms are super long so it is harder for him to press up and lock out. Insane strength
This title made me mentally face palm but ill still watch it
Amazing video!!
Old video compreasion. Thor lift 490 kg deadlift on 2019 Arnold classic strongman
That was on elephant bar tho, not stiff bar, he is comparing the powerlifting lifts not strongman.
@@bjarnisnr5054 lift is lift. That's doesn't matter Elephant bar and stiff bar
@@anuragpandey553 did you watch the video? He mentioned that he trying to keep it as fair as possible by comparing their stiff bar deadlifts.
All right finally This compreasion is wrong and Thor is strong than this fatty ray William.
@@anuragpandey553 intelligent point man, no one is disputing that hafþór is stronger I live In Iceland myself and I'm a big fan of his, but there is a good reason he didn't show the elephant bar deadlift because he is comparing their powerlifting lifts.
Thor trains differently than strict powerlifting.Put them in a non-static contest and Thor will mop the floor with this guy.
That's not the argument though. The argument is can Thor just walk into powerlifting and take all the records because strongman fans claim that to be the case.
@@JackehTube He wouldn't even need a year of training and he would
No. RAY wins in static
@@Nimbusz ray is a fat pleb.
The title of this video alone, is a clear indicator of who the strongest is in comparison.
Ray's deadlifts always make me think he is going to tear his biceps
Why use only powerlifts? Should have included some pressing or neutral lifts. Also, considering that was Thor's first meet and both his squat and dead were obviously not maxes, it's a bit disingenuous to say Ray is stronger. Ray trains all of these lifts as his main focus, Thor does not. The only comparable lift for them both might be the deadlift which goes to Thor easily.
I finally found someone using his brain!!
He failed his next deadlift attempt which was either 420 or 430. Also not sure how much of a difference the knee wraps would make but when the total is only 12.5 it definitely matters. Ray is stronger now but hafthor would definitely win if he trained for it
@@craigairey5696 you're talking about powerlifting...comparing one person that dedicates himself to those 3 lifts specially and the other doesn't...
Thor came to his 1st powerlifting meet,won it and fell short from the world record total by that little margin you already know...so...NO...those 12.5kg are shit...since this was just his 1st meet...
Taking in count they're 3 different lifts,a strongman(world strongest man)would add those 12.5kg to his total like eating a hot dog.
Just notice he fell that short even having a relatively weak bench press since STRONGMEN don't train that too much...so again...The answer to the video is...
Strongmen would/will smash the powerlifting total records if they train for those specific lifts!!
@@craigairey5696 I'll give you that Ray would win in his sport right now with Thor not having trained for it, that much is obvious. On the deadlift, yes he failed his last attempt but his grip was the limiting factor. Should Thor train his grip specifically for a PL style deadlift he would easily add another 10-20kg to his meet number within a short timeframe.
the deadlift isnt comparable aswell because thor used dealfit bar and ray used stiff bar. theyre not the same.
Thor lifted 1045 at the Arnold Classic with an elephant bar for a deadlift. From what I gather, never having used an elephant bar myself, is that it's an insanely difficult bar to use. It would be interesting to see the crossover capabilities of both men. I do believe Thor was the world's strongest man in 2018, Martins Licis is number for 2019. Ironically when it comes to Martins, I don't think he's stronger than Thor, his technique is just so perfect.
Ik this is an old post, but also outside of winning WSM in 2018, Thor won every single weight lifting competition he entered the entire year, that is the most dominant strongman ever. The strongest strongman ever. Is 2018 Thor, and it's really not even close.
Elephant bar starts from knees. ...regular from the top of the feet....Ray Williams is much more stronger than Thor
@@user-to6hu8vw3yhe should do 501 deadlift then😂😂
@@user-to6hu8vw3y
No he isnt 😂
That was cool to watch... closer than I thought it would be. How much does each man weigh? Also, I have see Thor lift more than what is depicted in these videos (e.g. deadlift). Anyway, power to weight ratio would be interesting. Thank you for the video 👍
and then to realize thor used wraps while Ray did not
this is a joke none of these are thors prs.
Thor deadlifts nearly 1100 lbs and can squat over a 1000 as well
No, the Form has to be correct if there is no judge, then it's not legit
Eddie hall would be able to beat Ray I reckon if he focused on powerlifting for a while. The man is just so statically powerful
Thor could beat him. Training for a couple months and is only 12kg off lol
But yes prime eddie could shit on the record
*was
The way i see it, strongmen are good to top level powerlifters in every aspect of powerlifting
Powerlifters are selectively top tier strongmen but may not excel in unorthodox events
This just proves that even in just powerlifting events, strongmen can keep up and even beat them. So its easy to assume that strongmen are stronger than powerlifters.
Thors actual prs are
Deadlift: 473kg/1,042lbs
Squat: 440kg/970lbs
Bench: 250kg/551lbs
Which totals out to 1160kg/2563lbs
don't compare raw and not raw, thx
Strongman is a different ball game. Both could translate to each others discipline easy enough but at the minute Thor is strongest.
Not really. It's way harder to go from powerlifting to strongman. Ray isn't built for strongman. He doesn't have the athleticism.
@@mattbudesa3038 but he could develop it with training
@@andresbautista8920 I don't think so. Not with his body type.
@@mattbudesa3038 He has the same body type as Eddie Hall though
The thing is Thor can basically do the same as the other guy, but would the powerlifter be able to do all the strongman events?
Great video.
and Eddie hall benched 584lbs 6 times without spotter
Not the same rules.. Not the same condition. And no calibrated plates
I agree regardless of the informality of it still is 265kg for 6 reps regardless
Hafthor deadlifted 1045 lbs easily and almost got 1100 lbs at the arnoldd classic.
He used an elephant bar at the Arnold, which is longer and has 2" wide plates on it which makes the weight farther away from the leverage point(the hands) giving the bar more bend, which means the bar travels more before all the weight leaves the ground making the bottom of the lift easier.
Each one is the best in their trials! Never compare two different competitions!
Nice. Maybe powerliftes should enter strongman tournament and give a blast their mighty strength in such a feats as log, tire, truck pull or atlast stone?
Honestly, I think Thor could have squatted 1000 given the speed that he hit 970. But yes, Ray is the better powerlifter still. Obviously.
He squatted 20 kg more, but didn't go deep enough
Both of them could have done more weight
Not even sure Ray is the better powerlifter to be honest. Thor's deadlift is as much better than Ray's as Ray's squat is from Thor's.
@K2Karakoram Except the numbers you're using from Thor are from his only meet and in training he's done considerably better. Thor hit his 460kg for one thing so that's already narrowed the gap and his best deadlift in training is well above that 904lbs.
Strongmen barely train flat bench.
Thor’s pressed 213 on a log and his biggest bench is 250, sure with more practice he could go higher but a heavy log doesn’t automatically mean a huge bench
@headband og Not that much.
Most olympic weightlifters press almost as much as they bench, if they ever bench at all. Most successful powerlifters bench far more than they press, like twice as much, probably more like 3x for the bench specialists, and the ones on the lighter weight classes who bench with huge arches and tiny ROM. A lot of very successful powerlifters do very little overhead work at all because other forms of flat pressing (boards/pins/floor/CG/etc) and dips give far more carryover to bench.
@headband og Yup. The carryover is from the Press to the bench. The opposite is not true. The Press is the superior upper body lift.
@@BigUriel Nope. He is right. In my experience, a 185 lb strict press is the equivalent of 2 plates (225 lb) on the bench press (even i you do not train the bench at all). But the reverse is not true.
I wonder who is better at powerlifting? I never would have guessed.
Ray is stronger in powerlifting and Thor is stronger in strongman events. When you get to the level of mastery these guys are at, training becomes so task specific that each guy excels at what he trains for. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Damn! Mark Henry still got it!!
Big difference is that Ray competes tested. Imagine if he juiced to the gills
Mai A if you don’t think ray juiced at one in his life your smoking something
@@Souldier187 ray is natty and gets Wada testing regularly outside competition. There simply isn't enough incentive in PL to go through so much effort to cheat the tests especially when untested federations exist.
hasan begic I didn’t say he never juiced but there is a big difference between tested and untested federations. Untested could’ve juiced up that day. Tested means you’re either drug free or you’ve been off of your cycle for at least a time meaning if you are on Gear you aren’t at your strongest.
One big difference is the events strongman has more events per comp and an even longer list of potential events....not to mention strong.men have events that are timed or repped. It would be interesting to see a WR RECORD heavy weight powerlifter make the switch and see how they do in the movement events
Ray Williams was on something else that day without wraps too amazing
That day he could’ve done 500kg
At 2:03 the voice says 227.5 kg 😅
But Thor has deadlifted 460kg
synysterxdave that was in a deadlift suit
Aramis Carmen what? Dude he was totally raw for all. He was in a singlet
473kg
@@repulsive3172 no
Hats off to both beast men
That guitar is groovy baby
Thor is stronger, no doubt about that. Strength isn't just squat, bench and deadlift. Strongman is a much better test of overall strength, it has way more events not just 3 lifts. If strongman focused more on bench instead of overhead press, they could possibly take some powerlifting records
krin overhead press is the definition of strength
@@jk47Ssb nha deadlift is.
@@jk47Ssb still strongman>powerlifting cause they are stronger overall.
Very important aspect is that Ray is natural while Thor is not
This, ray is natural, just that makes him stronger even if his numbers would be lower
Mark Henry,is that you
Strongman is on a different level of strength, not taking a thing away from powerlifting, but strongman's are more versatile the way they apply their strength overall championships
so what is the numbers by Ray on yoke carry and timber carry and stone lift and stone to shoulder and dumbell press also axel press and austrian oak :) ? maybe half what Thors so if you compare this events to than Thor win with 1500 kg ? !!!!! :) :) :)
bench deadlifr and squat
no comparison..what about usa guy running with 100kg bags etc
#Thorwins
The middle weightclass girls in strongman use 100kg bags in loading or for distance events 😂 not that heavy.
I thought it was mark henry at first but then I was like, wait a minute, this is modern
Vasily Alexeev USSR top Olympic lifter did 1014 pound Olympic squat early 1970s with over 520 clean & press before press was dropped in 1972.
Eddie hall could prob get a wr total if he tried back when he was stronger
Ray wins in powerlifting
Thor in strongman
Point as simple
And they seem like two of the nicest people around.
They don't
Did that man just squat ten kilos shy of the world record deadlift?