I agree with your view on Cataclysm's end. I thought it was completely anticlimactic. The Aspects losing their power and the age of mortals beginning? Wasn't it mortals who did all the heavy lifting throughout Vanilla, The Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King and Cataclysm? I think the age of mortals began long ago.
she was referring to the evil side after we defeated deathwing the world is in the mortals' hands and its up to us what to do, and like nobbel said we just fighting and fighting and invade pandaria and create all the mess
As for the problems at the end of Cata...could it be possible that the whole point of the Aspects and Deathwing's fall were to ensure that the Hour of Twilight occurred in a way where it COULD be stopped? Maybe the Hour of Twilight was somehow fated to occur whether the Aspects existed or not, but if they hadn't been empowered, it would have come about in such a way that it was far more difficult to overcome. We know that Nozdormu himself is also vulnerable to Old God corruption - Murozond proves that. Maybe the Dragon Aspects existed as "pressure valves" - the Old Gods concentrated on corrupting them, and when one turned, the others could combine their abilities to excise the infection.
+Technodreamer I like this theory. There are occasionally little mistakes made by the writers that are initially inexplicable but often, people can construct plausible theories to accommodate them within the lore.I speculated on a theory of my own which stated that the prophecy of the Hour of Twilight was intended to occur in a different way. The Dragon Aspects are not all-knowing and it's entirely plausible that they believed this was how the Hour of Twilight was supposed to occur. The Titans themselves may not have known that Neltharion would lose his sanity to the Old Gods and become their minion to carry out the Hour of Twilight. This could also mean that the TRUE Hour of Twilight is still to come and the Aspects may realise that what they experienced was a beta-test of sorts, an experiment that was used to help the Old Gods figure out how the real event would play out. It's just a theory but I like that most of the probable plot-holes that Blizzard has constructed can be explained away, for the most part.
I've been watching warcraft lore videos all across youtube from different channels and yours was by-far the most directly informative of them all! I can't believe how simply you broke down the story of the gods, titans, and their intentions all in [so far] these two videos! (watching pt3 after this comment ^_^) Also, great speculation and theory! You seriously deserve commendation and I wish your videos to be the staple of lore for anyone curious or missing pieces behind Warcraft! Unbelievable.
always loved the warcraft 3 story line and what essentially is the continued story in the WoW expansions is amazing since i never really was into doing instances and get the stories :p Keep up the good work Nobbel :D
love the vids man, used to really enjoy the lore back in vanilla then got lost in it over the years, really like how you're putting lore that spans multiple expansion together so well +1 sub :)
From one lore buff to another thank you for pointing out the problem of cata. There were many... Like thrall leaving the horde, and I might be biased towards the alliance but come on.
Map with races can be found in the description. The huge sword was from a giant, not a titan. I don't think Tyr is in Pandaria, do you mean Ra-den? Yes Arthas was influenced by Ner'zhul/LK. Old Gods want to escape their prisons, they wanted to use Sargeras entering our world to make that happen. They did not communicate that plan to Sargeras so they were not working together.
Tyr is dead. He died fighting servants of Yogg-Saron in the land that would be called Tirisfal when he discovered Loken's treachery and was bringing proof to expose him.
See the old gods that we fight as very, very small manifestations of the entire being. Yogg-Saron for example is rumored to be as big as Northrend since Saronite Veins can be found all acros Northrend (Saronite is supposedly part of his body). This could also explain his connection to the Lich King (vision in his mind) since Icecrown Citadel is made from Saronite. This is all speculation ofcourse. Tyr himself also has speculation, but nothing confirmed.
nice this turned into a series and with the expansions and patches coming im sure that there will be some titans,old gods,sargeras stuff so when they release some new info and/or content you can do another part of it
We have seen old gods in pandaria, wait till part 3 ;) The titans gave Nozdormu the power over time with a mission to make sure the pathway of time stays on the right course. I would think that the titans themselves would have the same power that they can give. All of it, more in part 3 ^_^
The theory is that Tyr discoverd Loken his corruption and took the early humans that evolved from the Vrykul away from Northrend. The Order of the Knights of the Silver Hand took their name and symbol from the myth of Tyr and his silver hand. One again it's just a theory. Aesir and Vanir are indeed also the terms used for the 2 different types of Titans.
Hi Nobbel87, regarding your questioning why Nefarion was made an Aspect (with the purpose to prevent the Hour of Twilight) if we was to be the very cause of said event. I'd say that the Aspects were safeguards put in place against a vague warning. The Titans couldn't have known the exact details and planned as best they could. Sort of like writing a program: you plan for users to mess up and put in safeguards which they then use incorrectly or maliciously and then mess up in any case. My 2c...
My three theory with regards to Alextrasza speech: 1)She was just giving a speech and she didnt really know the dragons true purpose 2)She was talking on a philosophical level about how by protecting Azeroth they fufilled there purposes 3)The titans knew the flow of events and they needed Deathwing to go mad so he would make the Dragon Soul(which did help turn the tide during the War of the Ancients).
One thing about the dragon powers thing is that the dragons had to have these powers to change some events like the second lich king being bolvard instead of tirion which was changed by the life binders after the wrath gate.
Yea I agree, it's simply a chain of events: Titans hear phrophecy of HoT, create Aspects to stop it. Old Gods corrupt Deathwing, hoping to destroy this plan. They use Deathwing because he is a powerful being to do their bidding, therefore other Aspects have to stop Deathwing to prevent HoT and by doing so fullfill their purpose, so they lose their powers. No need to look for some infinity loop paradox there. Otherwise great channel keep them coming
He questioned the comment on Alexstrasza saying they fulfilled their destiny, but perhaps its sort of like what was said by Medheiv in regards to time being like a clock and hourglass in the video of Kara being linked To WoD.
They could fix their mistakes by saying that the dragon aspects finally expending their power WAS the hour of Twilight. The Dragons were a huge defense and now they are (mostly useless?) Great vid btw.
I think that the titans knew that at some point the lesser beings of Azeroth would become considerably wiser and mature enough to be able to care for the planet. In a way, the titans knew that the old gods would eventually cause deathwing to go mad, and would cause the hour of twilight where all of the dragon aspects would use all of their powers. It's not very hard to understand if you think about it. Whereas mortals think in terms of hours, days, weeks, etc., the titans were thinking in terms of centuries, millenniums, eons, etc..
I'm in complete agreement with you concerning Cataclysm. It seems as though everyone forgot about N'zoth. However, perhaps it was done intentionally, leaving an opening for more storyline in the future.
Great video BUT I have a few things to say: 1- Alexstrasza said it was the dawning of the age of mortals, but she didn't say everything would be fine. The entire age of mortals has yet to come because Mists of Pandaria was just the beginning. 2- I see where you're coming from with your Deathwing loop theory, but the way I see it was that the Titans knew that the Hour of Twilight would be coming, but did not know that Deathwing would be the cause of it
When you showed the picture of Alexstrasza with the little caption "I could use a vacation." I laughed so loud. More than I should of... But, yea Cata pissed me off when aspects became mortal. I was like "WTF? What are you thinking?"
Great work man! You earned my sub.. But i have a request, would you mind posting a video of the whole story of Arthas? I have allways been interested in his story.. and mabye with a followup story to the New Lich King "Bolvar Fordragon" Thank you again for great videos, cheers ;)
There are remains of an old god in Ashenvale, that could have been one of the 5, slain by a titan though instead of imprisoned. Deathwing was corrupted by the old gods, but that was unforeseen, as we know that even titans can become corrupted. Basically his corruption led to a betrayal of his purpose, old gods manifested without his aid before, so the hour of twilight still could have been possible without his interference.
Personally, I think that what Alexstrasza had ment by, "Fullfilling their great purpuse" is that they have guarded the world and protected it until the point that the lesser races (Humans,Dwarves,Orcs,Trolls ect) were able to prove that they were capable of defending and protecting Azeroth as a whole.
did you already do a Mograine family/Ashbringer lore story ? if not, you should do it. i love that story. I also love the story of arthas and the one of Ner´zhul and Frostmoune. those old, good stories...and you´re awesome at telling them.
Killing all of them would mean the destruction of Azeroth which is a vague description. When they "killed" Y'sharaaj he did a final breath attack that infected the land with his essence and is the reason why we have Sha. Imagine that Sha would exist all over Azeroth, the world would become uninhabitable. Also keep in mind that I don't make up the lore, I just tell you the story that Blizzard comes up with ;)
continuing because I forgot to say something. Thrall was considered a worthy replacement as the earthwarder, armies of mortals stood against the old gods at the hour of twilight, and the aspects were weak, the mortals have been needed by the aspects more than needing the aspects for a while now, and despite recent events, mortals are and have been stronger than dragons for a long time.
Nobbel I want to know a couple of things first were can I download or look up the map used to detail the races of azeroth chronology, is the huge sword impaled to the serpent looking skull in darkshore from a titan, how did Tyr end up in pandaria, also was Arthas/Nerzhul influenced by the Lich King and why do the old gods wanted sageras to enter there prison are they working together?
I would say that Death Wing was suppose to keep an eye on the old gods and that the titans didn't understand the old gods ability to corrupt and manipulate. this is also shown by salgarous and how he was eventually driven mad after watching over the various demon worlds for so many years. The dragons saying they fulfilled their great purpose is either a sign that their dumb or they didn't expect the multiple old gods to return.
I think Blizzard has the intention of not revealing all the details in regards to the Old Gods, just like N'Zoth during the Cataclysm, maybe in the future we will see this Old God in the next expansion featuring the depths of the Maelstrom since N'zoth is presumed to be down there. And also Y'shaarj's is not fully revealed yet in Mists of Pandaria, thou little is known from them as revealed during the mantid quest.
Some of the races in Pandaria also have a connection to the the Ancient history of Azeroth: The Mantid are related to the Qiraji and Nerubians and according to the Klaxxi ruled at the same time. The Mogu were created by the Titans to create life. After they succumbed to the Curse of Flesh the Thunder King united them to an empire at the same time when the Trolls ruled in ancient Kalimdor and the Vrykul ruled in Northrend. The Pandaren Empire ruled at the same time as the Kaldorei Empire.
speaking of N'zoth,there is much to be said by N'zoth about N'yalotha and i had some sources saying that the City of N'yalotha is not were N'zoth is,but it IS N'zoth
We didn't! The entire area around Wyrmrest temple was infected, but apparently that cleared itself up after we killed Deathwing. Cataclysm didn't have the best ending...
one could argue the titan that empowered the dragon aspects of time knew all that could come to pass and that the hour of twilight was prophesied to shape events to where the mortals would grown in wisdom and power to no longer need the protection of the dragons, aka molding the kids to grow up and take there place
these videos are fantastic and reminds me how fantastic the warcraft universe is, where i still think the warhammer universe is the best, even better than GOT, LOTR etc, the games/books for warcraft are immense. I havnt played WOW since wotlk and im seriously considering warlords. back to its roots, war-driven orcs vs vengeful alliance
May i remind people that The Dragon Soul raid was a caverns of time dungeon, assuming every dungeon in the caverns of time does not take place in the present, the hour of twilight had not come to pass yet. So according to that, the dragon aspects still have their powers, deathwing is not dead, and we are now overly powered for deathwing, with pandaria gear.
I agree that Cataclysm ended oddly, but to try to make sense of it, you could say that the Aspects were there to combat the Hour of Twilight at the hand of the Old Gods. The Old Gods decided to use Neltharion after the fact, but they could have used other methods, so taking out Deathwing's powers wouldn't necessarily prevent the Hour of Twilight from occurring. As for the Aspects' purposes being fulfilled, maybe she thought the Old Gods lost their influence, even though this has proven false.
And second question: Are there giant sea monsters below the seas of Azeroth? If there is knowledge of them, would you mind making a video about them? Thanks and keep up the good work!
So I'm not a lore wiz, and don't know if anyone has ever come up with this idea but: 1) The Hour of Twilight was that idea of the Old Gods free, and the Dragon Aspectcs where dead or atleast they couldn't help defeat the now free Old Gods; 2) Deathwing was sent to urge the HoT 3) We killed Deathwing with the help of the Dragon Aspects, and "stopped" the HoT from coming. 4) The Dragon Aspects say their porpuse is done and they are "mortals" now. Isn't this the idea of the HoT, after all?
The reason the Titans gave Neltharion his powers is because he was supposed to watch the Earth and the underworld. The Old Gods were not a part of the Titans' plan for Azeroth and the hour of twilight is something of the Old Gods' making. The destiny Deathwing is said to face may very well be to stop the hour of twilight but he wasn't the one who created it, but merely the tool. It's a very nice thought but you have to include the Old Gods and the Titans even more for it to make sense.
The purpose of the dragon aspects appears to me as twofold: 1. Protect azeroth using their powers 2. Eliminate each other should one or more fall to the old gods or fail their purpose Deathwing was one of a few clear examples of one of the dragon aspects failing their initial purpose. From their initial failure up until the loss of their power, I would assume that their purpose had shifted towards self destruction as a sort of built in failsafe designed by the Titans. The Titans aren’t that stupid :P
I was watching this. at 9:14 Yogg'saron said, "No king rules forever, only death is eternal." This is eerily similar to what King Terenas said when Arthas died. Maybe it's not much, but... I think it's too much of a coincidence.
09:40 This is where me and my best WoW friend (who is a WoW loremaster), this is where he says: Come forth, Deathwing, and destroy this world! (rough and speculative translation).
What i think it might happen (maybe in a new expansion) and i wish is that burning legion returns and with the help of the old gods will try to destroy azeroth...then with chain quests we will try to help the aspects get their powers back and together with the titans will defend Azeroth...what i also wanna see is that player might have a chance to upgrade their powers ( warlock can be warlord...mage archimage) and become like guardians and help in the war..
“her heart is a crater” - illygynoth whispers hearing now that old god forces couldnt invade ungoro because of unknown reasons makes me suspect ungoro crater could have a connection to the heart of azeroth
in the book "Stormrage" they wrap up most of the emerald nightmare thing but the end of the book left it a little unclear. if you havent read the book and want a summary i'd be happy to give a fellow lore hound a summary :3
Now that's funny, I literally burst in laugh when I heard about the cyclic logic at 12:26. Blizzard is good at repeating the greatest clichés over and over again... They are at least well processed. You know that Medivh had been saying the EXACTLY same thing at the end of Warcraft III Reign of Chaos right? There is apparently a new age of mortals every Friday or so.
Thrall became the new Earth Warder (hence the entire reason he left the horde and joined the Earthen Ring) and gained all the power Neltharion once had by becoming his replacement as the 5th Aspect much the way Kalecgos did by replacing Malygos. Separate their powers were not enough to stop Deathwing but by using the Dragon Soul to focus their powers into one powerful attack they would be able to stop Deathwing. When Deathwing dies their purpose is fulfilled and they lose their powers.
Unto you is charged the great task of keeping the purity of time. Know that there is only one true timeline, though there are those who would have it otherwise. You must protect it. Without the truth of time as it is meant to unfold, more will be lost than you can possibly imagine. The fabric of reality will unravel. It is a heavy task--the base of all tasks of this world, for nothing can transpire without time. - Blessing of the Bronze Aspect by Aman'Thul
I have a theory about the dragon aspects. The purpose of the dragon aspects was to guard the world. The mortals have become powerful enough to protect the world (we've killed many old gods so... ) So maybe because of this, the only purpose which remained for them was to kill Deathwing as he was one of them?
I don't think Alexstraza meant that was their destiny. She said, "We dragon aspects have fulfilled our great purpose." I think what she meant is after everything that happened it was up to them to prevent it by any means necessary, and that happened to include losing their powers. If you remember, the Dragon Soul was created by Deathwing and contained a portion of all the aspects power. Because of that they were never at their full power. And they used the rest of it to defeat him.
What did the aspects do is the main question. Nozdormu, neltharion and kalegcos went insane. Their power only brought farther pain to mortals. Also the hour of twilight is the event that the old gods would ressurect. It doesnt matter who helped to that but the aspects power was ment to stop that event. Neltharion was just a pawn.
I would say number 2.Because there has been very few points in the warcraft-history were the Dragon Aspects did not know what to do(Example participation in War of the Ancient)and it also would be strange for the aspects to act as they have throughout history if they didn't knew purpose. As for number 3, why would the Titans let their minions, Aspects, fight against one of their own if they knew what would happen? I refer to War of the Ancient, Sargeras and the Demon Soul. Good thoughts though.
she doesnt say that they fulfilled their destiny, she said they fulfilled their great purpose; I would assume that they're great purpose is protecting the Titan's experiment, Azeroth, which they did do. great videos, recent subscriber, keep it up
Do each of the old gods have some kind of weird body part? Like C'thun has heaps of eyes on him, and his first phase is an eye, and Yogg-Saron is just a mouth with a bunch of moths on him. Are the other Old Gods like this?
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that cata cinematic still gets me HYPED lol..
I agree with your view on Cataclysm's end. I thought it was completely anticlimactic. The Aspects losing their power and the age of mortals beginning? Wasn't it mortals who did all the heavy lifting throughout Vanilla, The Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King and Cataclysm? I think the age of mortals began long ago.
she was referring to the evil side after we defeated deathwing the world is in the mortals' hands and its up to us what to do, and like nobbel said we just fighting and fighting and invade pandaria and create all the mess
That and the entire fight was a button mashing dps race
Arthas and Illidan are laughing somewhere
what kind of mortal corpse walks when he wipes on a shitty boss for Nth time?
As for the problems at the end of Cata...could it be possible that the whole point of the Aspects and Deathwing's fall were to ensure that the Hour of Twilight occurred in a way where it COULD be stopped? Maybe the Hour of Twilight was somehow fated to occur whether the Aspects existed or not, but if they hadn't been empowered, it would have come about in such a way that it was far more difficult to overcome.
We know that Nozdormu himself is also vulnerable to Old God corruption - Murozond proves that. Maybe the Dragon Aspects existed as "pressure valves" - the Old Gods concentrated on corrupting them, and when one turned, the others could combine their abilities to excise the infection.
+Technodreamer I like this theory. There are occasionally little mistakes made by the writers that are initially inexplicable but often, people can construct plausible theories to accommodate them within the lore.I speculated on a theory of my own which stated that the prophecy of the Hour of Twilight was intended to occur in a different way. The Dragon Aspects are not all-knowing and it's entirely plausible that they believed this was how the Hour of Twilight was supposed to occur. The Titans themselves may not have known that Neltharion would lose his sanity to the Old Gods and become their minion to carry out the Hour of Twilight. This could also mean that the TRUE Hour of Twilight is still to come and the Aspects may realise that what they experienced was a beta-test of sorts, an experiment that was used to help the Old Gods figure out how the real event would play out. It's just a theory but I like that most of the probable plot-holes that Blizzard has constructed can be explained away, for the most part.
Really seeing forward for a part 3 :DD
The old Gods and the Titans has always been my favourite part of the lore x)
I've been watching warcraft lore videos all across youtube from different channels and yours was by-far the most directly informative of them all! I can't believe how simply you broke down the story of the gods, titans, and their intentions all in [so far] these two videos! (watching pt3 after this comment ^_^) Also, great speculation and theory!
You seriously deserve commendation and I wish your videos to be the staple of lore for anyone curious or missing pieces behind Warcraft! Unbelievable.
always loved the warcraft 3 story line and what essentially is the continued story in the WoW expansions is amazing since i never really was into doing instances and get the stories :p
Keep up the good work Nobbel :D
love the vids man, used to really enjoy the lore back in vanilla then got lost in it over the years, really like how you're putting lore that spans multiple expansion together so well +1 sub :)
From one lore buff to another thank you for pointing out the problem of cata. There were many... Like thrall leaving the horde, and I might be biased towards the alliance but come on.
Map with races can be found in the description. The huge sword was from a giant, not a titan. I don't think Tyr is in Pandaria, do you mean Ra-den? Yes Arthas was influenced by Ner'zhul/LK. Old Gods want to escape their prisons, they wanted to use Sargeras entering our world to make that happen. They did not communicate that plan to Sargeras so they were not working together.
Tyr is dead. He died fighting servants of Yogg-Saron in the land that would be called Tirisfal when he discovered Loken's treachery and was bringing proof to expose him.
You are a very good speaker, the accent and how you said "yeah" that one time during the video just made me crack up. You NEED more views.
See the old gods that we fight as very, very small manifestations of the entire being. Yogg-Saron for example is rumored to be as big as Northrend since Saronite Veins can be found all acros Northrend (Saronite is supposedly part of his body). This could also explain his connection to the Lich King (vision in his mind) since Icecrown Citadel is made from Saronite. This is all speculation ofcourse. Tyr himself also has speculation, but nothing confirmed.
Thank you and I've placed a link in the description. I found it with google image search, keywords "Seed races wow".
I have never been interested in lore, but you changed that. Liking and sub for your talent to catch attention from those who didnt listen
Wow you improved sooo much, thank you. You are really great!
Always love more info!
Aye and I'll be talking about him in the next part. I didn't include him in this one because the complete story involves spoilers for 5.2
nice this turned into a series and with the expansions and patches coming im sure that there will be some titans,old gods,sargeras stuff so when they release some new info and/or content you can do another part of it
I could sit here and listen to your voice for hours. Great videos
Great videos man, i love listening to these while playing wow. Thank you very much, i really appreciate your work.
We have seen old gods in pandaria, wait till part 3 ;) The titans gave Nozdormu the power over time with a mission to make sure the pathway of time stays on the right course. I would think that the titans themselves would have the same power that they can give. All of it, more in part 3 ^_^
Definitely enjoying these. You do good commentary. Looking forward to more!
Dranosh Saurfang, the son of Varok Saurfang. You see him as a boss in ICC, Deathbringer Saurfang
Your videos are awesome, keep it up Nobbel! Can't wait for the next one.
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The theory is that Tyr discoverd Loken his corruption and took the early humans that evolved from the Vrykul away from Northrend. The Order of the Knights of the Silver Hand took their name and symbol from the myth of Tyr and his silver hand. One again it's just a theory. Aesir and Vanir are indeed also the terms used for the 2 different types of Titans.
Hi Nobbel87, regarding your questioning why Nefarion was made an Aspect (with the purpose to prevent the Hour of Twilight) if we was to be the very cause of said event. I'd say that the Aspects were safeguards put in place against a vague warning. The Titans couldn't have known the exact details and planned as best they could. Sort of like writing a program: you plan for users to mess up and put in safeguards which they then use incorrectly or maliciously and then mess up in any case. My 2c...
5:00 I'm pretty damn Sure Ronen's voice actor did some of the Imperials in Skyrim.
Iv watched a lot of your videos mate and tho i no longer play world of Warcraft i find them very interesting keep em up mate :D
Great as always nobbel. Very entertaining and informative!
My three theory with regards to Alextrasza speech: 1)She was just giving a speech and she didnt really know the dragons true purpose 2)She was talking on a philosophical level about how by protecting Azeroth they fufilled there purposes 3)The titans knew the flow of events and they needed Deathwing to go mad so he would make the Dragon Soul(which did help turn the tide during the War of the Ancients).
These videos are really great, keep up the good work! Subscribed.
Awesome work Nobbel, looking forward to part 3!
Love your vids dude! These give me the lore chills :3
Can't wait for the next part! Keep up the great work :)
One thing about the dragon powers thing is that the dragons had to have these powers to change some events like the second lich king being bolvard instead of tirion which was changed by the life binders after the wrath gate.
Yea I agree, it's simply a chain of events: Titans hear phrophecy of HoT, create Aspects to stop it. Old Gods corrupt Deathwing, hoping to destroy this plan. They use Deathwing because he is a powerful being to do their bidding, therefore other Aspects have to stop Deathwing to prevent HoT and by doing so fullfill their purpose, so they lose their powers. No need to look for some infinity loop paradox there.
Otherwise great channel keep them coming
hahahaha man that was funny. "and what do we mortals do? Bomb theramore and invade pandaria. very good call alexstraza, well done"
He questioned the comment on Alexstrasza saying they fulfilled their destiny, but perhaps its sort of like what was said by Medheiv in regards to time being like a clock and hourglass in the video of Kara being linked To WoD.
Tyr is most likely somewhere at Tyr's Hand, which is the reason why the Lichking was not able to attack the Chapel of Light.
They could fix their mistakes by saying that the dragon aspects finally expending their power WAS the hour of Twilight. The Dragons were a huge defense and now they are (mostly useless?) Great vid btw.
I think that the titans knew that at some point the lesser beings of Azeroth would become considerably wiser and mature enough to be able to care for the planet. In a way, the titans knew that the old gods would eventually cause deathwing to go mad, and would cause the hour of twilight where all of the dragon aspects would use all of their powers. It's not very hard to understand if you think about it. Whereas mortals think in terms of hours, days, weeks, etc., the titans were thinking in terms of centuries, millenniums, eons, etc..
I hope that 3 is correct and that there is a bigger plan behind it. (see part 3 theorie ;)
The black one is Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion, I transmog it with Soul Cleaver.
I'm in complete agreement with you concerning Cataclysm. It seems as though everyone forgot about N'zoth. However, perhaps it was done intentionally, leaving an opening for more storyline in the future.
Great video BUT I have a few things to say:
1- Alexstrasza said it was the dawning of the age of mortals, but she didn't say everything would be fine. The entire age of mortals has yet to come because Mists of Pandaria was just the beginning.
2- I see where you're coming from with your Deathwing loop theory, but the way I see it was that the Titans knew that the Hour of Twilight would be coming, but did not know that Deathwing would be the cause of it
When you showed the picture of Alexstrasza with the little caption "I could use a vacation." I laughed so loud. More than I should of... But, yea Cata pissed me off when aspects became mortal. I was like "WTF? What are you thinking?"
Great work man! You earned my sub..
But i have a request, would you mind posting a video of the whole story of Arthas? I have allways been interested in his story.. and mabye with a followup story to the New Lich King "Bolvar Fordragon"
Thank you again for great videos, cheers ;)
Learning about the lore kind of makes me want to start playing again..
you really outdone yourself with that statement alextreaza.well done
There are remains of an old god in Ashenvale, that could have been one of the 5, slain by a titan though instead of imprisoned. Deathwing was corrupted by the old gods, but that was unforeseen, as we know that even titans can become corrupted. Basically his corruption led to a betrayal of his purpose, old gods manifested without his aid before, so the hour of twilight still could have been possible without his interference.
Personally, I think that what Alexstrasza had ment by, "Fullfilling their great purpuse" is that they have guarded the world and protected it until the point that the lesser races (Humans,Dwarves,Orcs,Trolls ect) were able to prove that they were capable of defending and protecting Azeroth as a whole.
did you already do a Mograine family/Ashbringer lore story ?
if not, you should do it. i love that story. I also love the story of arthas and the one of Ner´zhul and Frostmoune. those old, good stories...and you´re awesome at telling them.
Killing all of them would mean the destruction of Azeroth which is a vague description. When they "killed" Y'sharaaj he did a final breath attack that infected the land with his essence and is the reason why we have Sha. Imagine that Sha would exist all over Azeroth, the world would become uninhabitable. Also keep in mind that I don't make up the lore, I just tell you the story that Blizzard comes up with ;)
continuing because I forgot to say something. Thrall was considered a worthy replacement as the earthwarder, armies of mortals stood against the old gods at the hour of twilight, and the aspects were weak, the mortals have been needed by the aspects more than needing the aspects for a while now, and despite recent events, mortals are and have been stronger than dragons for a long time.
Nobbel I want to know a couple of things first were can I download or look up the map used to detail the races of azeroth chronology, is the huge sword impaled to the serpent looking skull in darkshore from a titan, how did Tyr end up in pandaria, also was Arthas/Nerzhul influenced by the Lich King and why do the old gods wanted sageras to enter there prison are they working together?
I would say that Death Wing was suppose to keep an eye on the old gods and that the titans didn't understand the old gods ability to corrupt and manipulate. this is also shown by salgarous and how he was eventually driven mad after watching over the various demon worlds for so many years. The dragons saying they fulfilled their great purpose is either a sign that their dumb or they didn't expect the multiple old gods to return.
This is amazing, allows me to learn more about WoW lore. :)
I think Blizzard has the intention of not revealing all the details in regards to the Old Gods, just like N'Zoth during the Cataclysm, maybe in the future we will see this Old God in the next expansion featuring the depths of the Maelstrom since N'zoth is presumed to be down there. And also Y'shaarj's is not fully revealed yet in Mists of Pandaria, thou little is known from them as revealed during the mantid quest.
love your content dude, keep it up!
I love your videos pls make some too on the trol empires!
Some of the races in Pandaria also have a connection to the the Ancient history of Azeroth: The Mantid are related to the Qiraji and Nerubians and according to the Klaxxi ruled at the same time. The Mogu were created by the Titans to create life. After they succumbed to the Curse of Flesh the Thunder King united them to an empire at the same time when the Trolls ruled in ancient Kalimdor and the Vrykul ruled in Northrend.
The Pandaren Empire ruled at the same time as the Kaldorei Empire.
The powers of the aspects was restored in Day of the Dragon when Rhonin destroyed the dragon soul.
speaking of N'zoth,there is much to be said by N'zoth about N'yalotha
and i had some sources saying that the City of N'yalotha is not were N'zoth is,but it IS N'zoth
We didn't! The entire area around Wyrmrest temple was infected, but apparently that cleared itself up after we killed Deathwing. Cataclysm didn't have the best ending...
one could argue the titan that empowered the dragon aspects of time knew all that could come to pass and that the hour of twilight was prophesied to shape events to where the mortals would grown in wisdom and power to no longer need the protection of the dragons, aka molding the kids to grow up and take there place
Holy crap, they sure have improved the cinematics since o.o
these videos are fantastic and reminds me how fantastic the warcraft universe is, where i still think the warhammer universe is the best, even better than GOT, LOTR etc, the games/books for warcraft are immense. I havnt played WOW since wotlk and im seriously considering warlords. back to its roots, war-driven orcs vs vengeful alliance
this can give you and idea of the up comping expansions
May i remind people that The Dragon Soul raid was a caverns of time dungeon, assuming every dungeon in the caverns of time does not take place in the present, the hour of twilight had not come to pass yet. So according to that, the dragon aspects still have their powers, deathwing is not dead, and we are now overly powered for deathwing, with pandaria gear.
They're not ingame, those are scenes from the Secrets of Ulduar trailer.
Thanks for these videos! I love them! :)
I agree that Cataclysm ended oddly, but to try to make sense of it, you could say that the Aspects were there to combat the Hour of Twilight at the hand of the Old Gods. The Old Gods decided to use Neltharion after the fact, but they could have used other methods, so taking out Deathwing's powers wouldn't necessarily prevent the Hour of Twilight from occurring. As for the Aspects' purposes being fulfilled, maybe she thought the Old Gods lost their influence, even though this has proven false.
8:51 best time ever !!!! EPIC VOICE LICH KING!!!
Deathwing still wouldve gone mad if he didnt have the titan powers. N'zoth had allready been whispering to him before he got it.
0:10 Correct me if I'm wrong but the background looks a lot like modern day Earth.
That is because the picture is from spiderman...
william moseholm Oh. Well I feel stupid now.
RhapsodyDusk this is amazing XD
And second question: Are there giant sea monsters below the seas of Azeroth? If there is knowledge of them, would you mind making a video about them? Thanks and keep up the good work!
Aye that was at Blizzcon, but they said at the same Blizzcon that we haven't seen Tyr in Ulduar.
So I'm not a lore wiz, and don't know if anyone has ever come up with this idea but:
1) The Hour of Twilight was that idea of the Old Gods free, and the Dragon Aspectcs where dead or atleast they couldn't help defeat the now free Old Gods;
2) Deathwing was sent to urge the HoT
3) We killed Deathwing with the help of the Dragon Aspects, and "stopped" the HoT from coming.
4) The Dragon Aspects say their porpuse is done and they are "mortals" now.
Isn't this the idea of the HoT, after all?
The reason the Titans gave Neltharion his powers is because he was supposed to watch the Earth and the underworld. The Old Gods were not a part of the Titans' plan for Azeroth and the hour of twilight is something of the Old Gods' making. The destiny Deathwing is said to face may very well be to stop the hour of twilight but he wasn't the one who created it, but merely the tool.
It's a very nice thought but you have to include the Old Gods and the Titans even more for it to make sense.
The purpose of the dragon aspects appears to me as twofold:
1. Protect azeroth using their powers
2. Eliminate each other should one or more fall to the old gods or fail their purpose
Deathwing was one of a few clear examples of one of the dragon aspects failing their initial purpose. From their initial failure up until the loss of their power, I would assume that their purpose had shifted towards self destruction as a sort of built in failsafe designed by the Titans. The Titans aren’t that stupid :P
I was watching this. at 9:14 Yogg'saron said, "No king rules forever, only death is eternal." This is eerily similar to what King Terenas said when Arthas died. Maybe it's not much, but... I think it's too much of a coincidence.
***** You don't need to see the future to mould it.
09:40 This is where me and my best WoW friend (who is a WoW loremaster), this is where he says:
Come forth, Deathwing, and destroy this world! (rough and speculative translation).
What i think it might happen (maybe in a new expansion) and i wish is that burning legion returns and with the help of the old gods will try to destroy azeroth...then with chain quests we will try to help the aspects get their powers back and together with the titans will defend Azeroth...what i also wanna see is that player might have a chance to upgrade their powers ( warlock can be warlord...mage archimage) and become like guardians and help in the war..
“her heart is a crater” -
illygynoth whispers
hearing now that old god forces couldnt invade ungoro because of unknown reasons makes me suspect ungoro crater could have a connection to the heart of azeroth
in the book "Stormrage" they wrap up most of the emerald nightmare thing but the end of the book left it a little unclear. if you havent read the book and want a summary i'd be happy to give a fellow lore hound a summary :3
Now that's funny, I literally burst in laugh when I heard about the cyclic logic at 12:26.
Blizzard is good at repeating the greatest clichés over and over again... They are at least well processed.
You know that Medivh had been saying the EXACTLY same thing at the end of Warcraft III Reign of Chaos right? There is apparently a new age of mortals every Friday or so.
Thrall became the new Earth Warder (hence the entire reason he left the horde and joined the Earthen Ring) and gained all the power Neltharion once had by becoming his replacement as the 5th Aspect much the way Kalecgos did by replacing Malygos. Separate their powers were not enough to stop Deathwing but by using the Dragon Soul to focus their powers into one powerful attack they would be able to stop Deathwing. When Deathwing dies their purpose is fulfilled and they lose their powers.
Unto you is charged the great task of keeping the purity of time. Know that there is only one true timeline, though there are those who would have it otherwise. You must protect it. Without the truth of time as it is meant to unfold, more will be lost than you can possibly imagine. The fabric of reality will unravel. It is a heavy task--the base of all tasks of this world, for nothing can transpire without time. - Blessing of the Bronze Aspect by Aman'Thul
I have a theory about the dragon aspects.
The purpose of the dragon aspects was to guard the world.
The mortals have become powerful enough to protect the world (we've killed many old gods so... )
So maybe because of this, the only purpose which remained for them was to kill Deathwing as he was one of them?
I don't think Alexstraza meant that was their destiny. She said, "We dragon aspects have fulfilled our great purpose." I think what she meant is after everything that happened it was up to them to prevent it by any means necessary, and that happened to include losing their powers. If you remember, the Dragon Soul was created by Deathwing and contained a portion of all the aspects power. Because of that they were never at their full power. And they used the rest of it to defeat him.
What did the aspects do is the main question. Nozdormu, neltharion and kalegcos went insane. Their power only brought farther pain to mortals. Also the hour of twilight is the event that the old gods would ressurect. It doesnt matter who helped to that but the aspects power was ment to stop that event. Neltharion was just a pawn.
I would say number 2.Because there has been very few points in the warcraft-history were the Dragon Aspects did not know what to do(Example participation in War of the Ancient)and it also would be strange for the aspects to act as they have throughout history if they didn't knew purpose.
As for number 3, why would the Titans let their minions, Aspects, fight against one of their own if they knew what would happen? I refer to War of the Ancient, Sargeras and the Demon Soul.
Good thoughts though.
How did you get to the part in Ulduar where Hodir and the others met in the inner room?
@ 1:01 - Where did you get this chart from? Oo
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Thanks pal.
@@alanhafeed5006 maybe just me but the resolution on that renders it 99% useless, got a better/source link?
wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/File:Wow_races.jpg Maybe this?
she doesnt say that they fulfilled their destiny, she said they fulfilled their great purpose; I would assume that they're great purpose is protecting the Titan's experiment, Azeroth, which they did do. great videos, recent subscriber, keep it up
Do each of the old gods have some kind of weird body part? Like C'thun has heaps of eyes on him, and his first phase is an eye, and Yogg-Saron is just a mouth with a bunch of moths on him. Are the other Old Gods like this?
What did Yogg-saron said at 9:36 anyone who knows old gods language?
+Luis Santacruz "Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh." = "The shadow of my corpse will choke this land for all eternity."
+rudymusicfan He aint lying bout that.
And I heard aesir and vaenir are the 2 tipes of titans. By the way,awesome vid as always!
Love the video!
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