Porsche Panamera First Drive | Future of Suspension Tech
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- This video explains the recently updated 2024 Porsche Panamera 4 and 4S with new Engine tech and hybrid systems. The big changes include an option for active suspension that negates dive, pitch, and roll. This technology will likely be studied by many going forward and is a step ahead in the luxury sedan game.
#cars #engineering #technology
Index:
00:00 Intro, Interior and Exterior, and Engineering
4:46 Driving Impressions
11:55 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
The Porsche 4s e hybrid starts at 126,800 i have no idea where 228 came from nor do i know how we didnt catch that 😂
Thank god i wasnt the only one who had to go fact check that lol. after he said 228 my jaw dropped like "what could be over 100k different from a 4 to a 4s" haha
It's Jack! You get to be my brother now since my brother Jack passed. Do you know if it is a tint, anti-glare coating, or something else that makes the windshield on this car and other luxury cars look purple?
@@wccrispy my condolences. Its due to a combo of factors. Our polarization on the lens we are shooting on, and the tint + uv coating on the cars glass
@@jackholmes8105 It's all good brother. He was a good man that went way sooner than he should have. Thanks for the clarification on the windshield. Did you notice when Zack said, "Thanks, Mark!" in the Vantage video? 🤣
@@wccrispy yeah, it was a joke from our old nismo z video
Your son looks terrified.
😂
He’s thinking this is his version of the titan submersible
He’s raising him right then
His long-winded color commentary reminded me of the color guy in the booth with Uecker during the movie Major League 🤣🤣🤣
That actually his son?
It’s surreal how it looks like the world around you is being faked because the interior looks so stable at speed
That was the smoothest 252 ive ever seen. Wow!
I’m here for the synth wave retro intro and clip of Mark enjoying his breakfast.
The out of warranty repairs on this car are going to be revolutionary as well.
Yeah I estimate that the part cost for those shocks is probably 2k a corner.
This is why I opted for no PAR in my build.
@@chriselliott8567 Congrats on missing the entire point of the car
@@chriselliott8567Why even buy it at that point?
@@neofaktion if your desire to buy (or not buy) this car is solely based on PAR then I don’t think we’ll see eye-to-eye :) I personally prefer the more ‘grounded’ feel of the drive without such smooth buffering. PAR is an amazing engineering feat regardless (and I almost bought it for sheer parlor tricks) but it’s not my personal preference for drive style and therefore not worth the extra potential maintenance complication/cost
Even the camera shows just how smooth the ride is at speed
more like how smooth the roads are.
Somebody get my boy Mark out of the dungeon. Jack got him locked up I swear
As someone who regularly drives in Germany: the bit from 190-250 looked incredibly slow and strained. I'm guessing the ICE engine is not supported by the E-Motor anymore and at that point it's just a 350hp car, having to pull 4500lbs+. While this is a niche application, it also means that you'll be tailgated by Mercedes and BMW Diesels, which is kind of annoying...
Don't forget Audi S7s... they seem to always sneak up on me when I have to cross country my Wife's Ford S-Max when on Urlaub...
I thought it pulled like a Golf GTI / R, the impressive part is not the accelaration but the NVH. You could still have normal conversations at 250km/h without raising your voice, that is nuts.
@@robertvandeveer1846 yeah, even a A6/A7 50TDI will probably keep up with this...
@@2failepic yeah any 280-300hp hot hatch will probably keep up with it.
There will always be someone faster. Getting tailgated shouldn't be your problem ;)
When this suspension concept is offered for the Cayenne, it’s gonna be the best SUV money can buy.
The next gen turbo gt is gonna go crazy
So the Cayenne's lead in the luxury SUV market will widen with this suspension. I'm not sure the Purosangue competes as an SUV, tbh. It's in another catagory.
Before i bought my boxster i had no idea panameras started so high. I thought the base was a $70k car. Sh*ts start at $102k here in the states
you Americans are so spoiled its unreal , not only do you have higher income per capita you also cry about marginally lower car prices than almost anywhere in the world.
That little opening at the front bumper kinda itches my eye, to be fair, but yeah, the Panamera does look beautiful. Finally Porsche made the "4 door 911" look nice.
I'm hyped for the Wagon now.
Wagon was cancelled for North America to my knowledge sadly.
@@m1l3s27cancelled globally.
The advancement in suspension tech is impressive,
but my god this just seems like the most disposable product out of warranty...
Thats probably ideal for Porsche. You want continuous customers and how better to than needing a lifeline to keep your car capable
Porsche isn't a Toyota
Durability doesnt sell
@@junyaiwase except for Toyota, the largest car company in the world. oops
Porsche has 15 years of warranty
The Autobahn in Germany seems better paved than many American highways. You were doing over 240+ km that's 150+ mph. The vehicle seems very stable at high speeds. Impressive. Good review.
it depends pretty much on the exact Autobahn... many, frequently used by trucks parts, are rather miserable...
Going tomorrow for ~600miles trip over Autobahn, less then 50% is that smooth
@@d.k.7710there is no comparison. The worst part of the Autobahn is better than the best paved highways in the US
@@davidzebar6876 Which Autobahn? That word just means highway and not all of them are free of speed restrictions or are well maintained.
@@JollyGiant19 any of them. Yes you've got speed restrictions and construction zones but I've never seen the ridiculous pot holes we have here that you could bend a wheel on. Even the construction zones have payment as smooth as a baby's ass
@@davidzebar6876 your country is also half the size of california, settle down. its easy to keep your roads in good shape in a country where everyone takes the bus or the train.
Performance levels may be near that of the M5 or E63 but the fit, finish, and refinement of Porsche isn't even on the same horizon of the BMW or Mercs; it'll always be top in my opinion
Aint even an opinion porsche has always been a tier above bmw audi and merc
Yet still worse than Lexus
@@V8Brah when that guy no cares about gives an opinion 😂
@@G82Watts still kinda right though.
@@V8Brah in a porche/bmw/merc conversation
lmao
Absolutely love your channel and videos, no time wasting and all info!
Ah yes, just what's needed for driving on US 65 mph limit highways in heavy traffic!
Even on less busy highways, the older buyers are always just gliding in the middle lane doing 60mph.
Move to Florida and I promise you when doing 75 you’ll be the slowest on the road by far 😂
Great, now I’m gonna be late for work on a Friday because my morning constitution’s gonna take 14 minutes.
You spelled Morning constipation wrong
My morning consisted of a flat tire with a 4-in nail in it. And this was after getting new tires and oil change the day before. It is plugged now. Happy Friday 😂
@@wccrispylol it can hopefully only get better from there…
@@alexsystems2001 It's all good broski. It's Friday. I've got the weekend to look forward to with my lady and I'm also leaving work early today. The universe can suck it. 🤣
Do that on company time
It was a bit surprising for the first vehicle on the Autobahn to be a pickup truck.
Panameras have always been stellar cars, from power to comfort. I remember how everyone would shit on it because it "looked weird" or how you "can't make a 4 door saloon a sports car". With looks being subjective - I have always loved the look and feel of these cars. It's maybe the best sports like car you can drive daily without much worry or trade offs.
People who have "hated" the first Panamera version from 2009 are just DUMB and having not fu...ing clue! The Panamera is a perfect 4 door Porsche. It just works and it looks like a daily usable four door/four seater Porsche.
Some id...iots always expected the Panamera being kind of a "big 911", but have always forgotten that this isn't possible. Because four people must have enough interior space in such a vehicle.
What a fantastic piece of engineering Porsche has made.
This technology is outsourced. It’s shared with China’s Nio EV. It’s supplied by a third party called ClearMotion. Mostly Chinese tech
I can only imagine the maintenance on this thing if you actually drive it, probably $5-600 a month average in 5 years. I don't see how even a doctor could afford to commute in it, not counting the unexpected surprises.
Where do you get the $500-600/mo figure?
@@chriselliott8567 I myself have been doing preliminary research on these cars to make sure I'm in a great spot to buy one. I drive around 20k miles a year which is what I based it on, nothing wild for a commute and am not a believer in 10k mile service intervals along with my driving style. A standard oil service on this car is over $300 at my local dealer, they need a major service at 40k which is usually in the 2k ballpark if it's a V8 even more. The wheels are staggered so it will burn through back tires every year at the 20k-25k miles a year, and a full set the N spec Michelin AS are over $2k for a full set plus mount and balance and alignment here and there along with the uncharge if you have the drivers assist means an alignment is very close to a grand on it. So yeah for basic maintenance it's around there or more, not including the multi thousand dollar brakes between 40k-80k miles. In my experience dealer cost vary area to area also, German cars have become very expensive to not only buy but also maintain especially due to the expanding use of staggered wheels and weird tire sizes limiting tire options.
@@chriselliott8567 Out of his ass
"I left him behind at the baggage claim at O'Hare" I love you sneaking in these Chicagoland based jokes, keep them coming!
10 piston calipers?!!!! 🤯
Love the background music btw.
That dude looks stoned and terrified
who saw that Elantra N in the background at the end?😀 hopefully another vid on a sporty car that is actually affordable... HELL YES!!
Awesome Panamera. I love this car!
Alright Mr. Worldwide.
Wide wide (echoes)
you're so amazing I love your channel
That suspension raise was shocking. Reminds me of Ford GT's hydraulically activated track mode.
Porsche and BMW are in my opinion the best manufacturers.. very very impressive cars
Engineering wise yes they are objectively way above
That title belongs to Toyota
@@chabweezy9905the title of we can’t build our own sports car, so we’ll have BMW do it? That Toyota?
@@ryanturnerboles the title of most successful car maker ever. That Toyota.
@@chabweezy9905 title of the most boring car maker.
I've been hearing about 'Active Suspension" since the early 80s, reading about it in Popular Science magazine. Lotus was developing it for F1 and was working with GM for mass production. Sad to say both projects fell through; it was banned for F1 and GM...well, GM can't help themselves from being GM and cancelled the project.
Here it is 40 years later and it's still a black magic fantasy for most people. I'm glad Porsche was able to finally implement it in a car...but for $160K? It's still going to be a while for mass implementation. We're still stuck with leaf-springs and McPherson strut for some time to come.
The 2.9 V-6 is so incredibly bland that my favorite part of driving the 4S e-hybrid is the EV mode at which point just get the Taycan. I’m genuinely surprised Porsche hasn’t killed the Panamera yet since Taycan ate up all of its sales in Europe.
I can't wait for you guys to get it back in the USA for a proper long review. 😊
Shoutout to you guys for goin the extra Mille savagegeese👊🏾
ok, would love a suspension comparison one of these days. There are some seriously cool suspensions out there from MB, GM, Porsche etc and would love to hear a tech deep dive and what each of them do well or not.
When are you guys going to have merch? I would 100% buy a couple hats to support the channel.
Maintaining that suspension will be extreme $$$$. I'm so over battleship gray paint jobs.
Agreed, gray is the most boring color you can get
I think that grey paint trend will be very short lived. At least, I hope so.
🎶Gray is the loneliest color that I ever knew.🎶
Did you make a mistake regarding the 4s starting at 228?
Right that’s what I heard
100%
I wonder what Ferdinand Porsche would think of these new models. I mean some of his tank designs were hybrid
The butler of my cleaning woman has 2 of those. He said he likes them.
My maid’s brother in law’s son has 2 gt4’s he said he likes the gt3 more
The suspension is very similar to Citroens of old. From DS to the last C5 they used a hydropneumatic setup. It had similar functions, like raising itself for easy access, exquisite ride comfort etc
The geese are savages in the Panamera!
Front headlights have really transformed porsches look. They look amazing imo.
That suspension, while remarkable, strikes me as incredibly overkill. Then there's the matter of serviceability...
I'd have it in a second. I can only imagine the ride quality. Besides, it's no more overkill than a V12 and people love big Lambos and Ferraris
what are you even talking about ? how can a remarkable suspension be overkill ? that's like complaining about having too much money what are you even on about there's no such thing as too much of a good thing
If you have the means to purchase one of these new, service costs are of little consequence.
That said, I have to wonder what kind of financial and mechanical nightmare these will be in 5-10 years!
@@StevenLastname probably not dissimilar to air suspension. Lifespan of 60,000 miles and a 5 figure repair cost if you don't address leaks immediately.
I have a 2023 Panamera, when it’s time for a new one, I can’t wait for that suspension option
What song starts at 4:50? SG always chooses such great synth excerpts in their videos
Dang yo..........what did you guys do with the music sound level...........sounds crazy.
No mention that the suspension costs about 8 grand
I left PAR out of my build. Porsche’s PASM is good enough and likely more reliable since tech is more mature
@jackholmes8105 any info you can share about the upcoming 911 Hybrid or Cayman EV? Or when those press blockades will lift?
Sounds good. Are you gonna test the V8?
Im sure its a very nice car over all, but for me it seems slower and more expensive than it was 5 years ago..
More like No’Hare
Shaved!
O' Hare is a nightmare lol I'm glad it's a universal experience
Porsche's PHEV brakes are designed to be more communicative to driver. They clearly differentiate feel of regen vs friction, rather than trying to imperceptibly blend to emulate normal brake pedal. I appreciated the extra control it gave me as a driver, and my wife and I both acclimated in ~15 min.
5:13 appropriate song choice
highway star :D nice one.
Holy its fast
So bumpy roads' gonna keep active suspension busy and drain battery faster?
The future of disposable oligarch rewards
Could Mark’s replacement be any more boring?
I produces the oodles of power. Sold. Legit want one but damn , money. You hard
This sounds like it will be super reliable and easy to maintain. I should have looked into this as my new family car instead of the Subaru I just purchased. And the price is aimed right at me at only 160k. Do you think Porsche will give me a $50 Visa card if i schedule a test drive?
You are high if you think your Subaru is reliable.
@@LARSENBISQUITS Yep... Owned 3 so far, not a single major issue. And if i did have a major issue... it probably would cost what a 12 month service costs on this thing. I am not saying its not an amazing technology demonstrator... but this Porsche is for 3 year "business" leases... not long term ownership. And Panamaras depreciate like a stone.
People moving out of the freaking way… so beautiful.
I saw the blue ELANTRA N in the background at the end of the video! Will there be a video soon for the 2024 facelift?
Yes
@@savagegeese yesss! Love from a 2023 Elantra N 6mt owner! I was hesitating around EN and GRC circuit edition as my first manual car after driving 1 year of 6at gr86 (not fl5 because the markup makes it out of reach). And I soon make my decision after that 1hr comparison video. So far I believe I made a right choice. Really appreciate that🙌
The screen on the dash that is not centered with the console blows my OCD up.
Very "important".... Wow! Just go to the doctor, dude! The Panamera dashboard is simply a piece of art, it's pure and simple "straight".... and it's PERFECT!
Prius 8” ground clearance
Tbh, it's a Porsche. It's gonna rock.
We have a Cayenne Coupe now, which is extremely comfortable. But this new Panamera (even in base form) speaks to me as a family (dogs) sedan.
Speed limit in my neck of the woods is 100 km/h - in some cases it is 110 km/h. Yes I will buy it. If it can travel at these astronomical speeds and I only use some of its power it should last 74.9 years.
Man, Jack dropping the hammer in the Panamera and hitting like 250 KPH with it all being legal is why I HAVE to visit Germany at least once in my life, along with the Nurburgring.
While Germany has nice places to visit, if it's about hammering a car and speeding, going on a track day is less costly and more safe.
Do both if you can!
@@_Makanko_ True, but for me it's as much about the (to us Americans) mythical locations as the driving experiences themselves. Call it a "ticking-off the bucket list"' kinda thing. But track days are definitely something I want to do as well.
Maaaaa! Savage Geese dropped a new one!
Didn't think it would be Porsche of all companies copying the second gen Hyundai Tiburon design.
God help you if anything on that car goes wrong after the warranty period.
I think God would be serving you up a nice helping of just desserts, imo. First generation new tech from the German's, what could possibly go wrong?
Mark!!! Where are you?
Brooo why the glossy plastic
So we have something to complain about, of course.
Cool tech but imagine the repair bill for even one aspect of that system failing. Imagine trying to get it repaired 15 years from now. Fuck. No.
The “buyers” of this car only care whether it will work during the duration of their lease.
It's a Porsche, even old 911 are expensive.
@@ghoulbuster1 I don’t disagree. But old 911s can be worked on by ANYONE with basic tools so that makes them very economical and able to run forever as opposed to this turd that probably won’t be around 15 years from now. I just did a 15,000 mile service on my ‘87 911. Took an afternoon. There are many aftermarket parts as good as or better than the Porsche-branded ones. Example: a new set of Porsche-branded ignition wires for my 3.2 engine is $1,100 on Pelican Parts (utterly ridiculous). A set of Clewett ignition wires was $235 and they’re better quality. If you took your air cooled 911 to the dealer for this service, with parts I have to assume it would have been over $3000. I did the whole service for under $600 - the largest expense is the 11 liters of oil and 4 liters of gearbox oil.
Mercedes did it first. ABC suspension on the W220. Goodluck to the 3rd owner when special Porsche hydraulic fluid is leaking everywhere and the dealership needs 5K to remedy
mercedes never had a hydraulic+air suspension. It now is the first german brand to rank worse than land rover according to several reliability rankings. mercedes owners dont need luck, they have more money than sense
The same can’t be said for Mercedes in terms of repair costs? Pathetic fanboy lol
@@Spartan168 I didn't say Mercedes was any better. The point is that hydraulic suspension is amazing but will be costly to maintain once the warranty ends. Nothing in my comment is in support of any brand. Try projecting your fragile masculinity a little less
I will buy one when the US gets the Autobahn built :)
Porsche scientists were too preoccupied with asking if they could rather if they should.
The Passions... such a hidden gem of a 80s band. I only know about them because of my older Brother
You'll see the hunched back once you look at it from regular height, not from cherry-picked ground level photos.
Wonder if active ride will make its way into the next 911.
That car under acceleration sounds exactly like the car in the game Hard Drivin'. Look it up.
Piano Black Jack making a killing off the sales of this car.
Best suspension system on the planet! Great car as always by Porsche, they are pushing the boundaries to the extreme!
This reads like a bot comment
@@ADUSN lol
@@ADUSN it's true what do you want me to say?
@@ADUSNyou go through life as a bot
@@computercracksomething more interesting and original.
Is it an impressive new vehicle? How will it age? One wonders with all this hybrid engine technology and high end suspension. So much cool but complex technology.
100 % of Porsche buyers are not sweating the details of price when selecting their Panamera. They are buying it because it's a Porsche. I would get the gas version only. Jack, has become a world traveler.
Piano trash plastic has no place in a vehicle this expensive
Then option the carbon fiber trim brokey
@@G82Watts 🤣🤣🤣
@@G82Watts doesn't get rid of the awful sea of piano black on the center console, unfortunately. Would be nice if they gave you that choice - maybe through the "Special Wishes" program??
@@aprtur oh no piana black on my center console.. what am I going to do 😢
@@G82Watts it's not that big of a deal, but it is annoying at the price point. I have something similar in my Lexus right now, and you always feel like you're going to scratch it, even just wiping dust off of it. Porsche has some great material options - they could do better here.
This is good but can we get more cars that are Actually attainable to most people. Thanks
Savagegeese: Panamera, the art of depreciation.
Doug Demuro: The new Panamera will be a used car bargain.
Throttlehouse: New $170k Panamera vs an older $25k Panamera.
Schmee150: Look at me, I’m driving the new Panamera
Feel free to add anything else.
Hoovie: I got SCAMMED when I bought the cheapest Panamera in the USA
@@jdhazan 🤣🤣
Please allow Mark to be in the videos, thanks Jack.
How come Germany has the autoban but the US the country of lots cars has a 75mph restriction on everything?
Anywhere you don’t see a state trooper in the USA is effectively the American autobahn. Germany has speed cameras.
@@reneed.1648 LMAO
My understanding is that in Germany to get a driver's license costs about $3,000 (in 2019 dollars) and 6 months of serious and demanding driver training (similar to race track driving schools here, learning how to handle high speed maneuvers at the limit). Do you think that would ever happen in the U.S? Here we want any idiot, with not a lot of money, to be able to buy and drive a car. That's why no autobahn here. Would you want idiots, with no training, driving at 150 mph on our freeways? ... I know I don't.
@@gregbischoff2668 That is the most logical explanation bout this.
There are also regularly scheduled stringent vehicle inspections in Germany that a very high percentage of vehicles on U.S. roads couldn't come close to passing. And most vehicles on U.S. roads weren't designed to meet tougher EC safety standards. As it is, the traffic fatality rate per mile/km travelled is within a hair of being twice as high in the U.S. as it is in Germany.
10 piston brakes are crazy. I thought my Supra’s 6 pots were big.
Mark and jack, when is the ND3 video coming?
July I think
Whats the buyer profile for this car?
Rich
Nothing says premium and luxury more than a reflection of the sky on the central pannel 🤣
Do the right thing Porsche! Bring back the Sport Turismo.
Why is Porsche Active Ride only available on the V6 hybrids? Mercedes was arming fully active Ai driven ABC suspensions on many models across 2 decades.
Because it's designed to use the hybrid battery pack.
@@RahulShah87 Most active hydraulic suspensions don't require a heavy battery pack. Therefore they can utilize bigger engines.
Topgun #1 🥇
The passenger pooped his pants. 💩