Porsche Panamera | Future of Cars
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- We review and take a technical deep dive on the updated Porsche Panamera. This wagon or hatchback doubles as that luxury GT car with supercar capabilities. We detail how this is accomplished and how many of these systems will be the mainstay of future cars and SUVs.
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Index:
00:00 Intro
1:08 Interior Impressions and Audio Testing
6:45 Mechanical Impressions
8:11 Body Construction
11:21 The Future of Electronics
13:46 Braking Systems
15:00 Drivetrain
16:43 Driving Impressions
22:38 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
this car is so premium it just refused to drive into my wal-mart parking lot and redirected me to fresh thyme
…it’ll dial 911 if you redirect to Wal Mart…😂
When auto manufacturers poll their focus groups, they don't list specific technologies. They ask if their buyers think "technology" is important.
When focus groups inevitably say "I love technology," they're thinking of parallel park assist and radar cruise.
German engineers, however, seem to think they mean "I love touch-enabled air vents"
I'm pretty sure no engineer with any importance in Porsche cares or ever thought about that air vent. It's a totally irrelevant aspect.
@@derbigpr500 i think you are mistaken.
That normally irrelevent turned "necessary" feature is now a big profit for the automaker once it stops working properly.
Power heated and cooled moving seats? Power tilt and telescoping steering wheels?
Radar enabled cruise control and lane assist/ safety braking?
Lots of these things that would normally be manual/ not included in a car are now included not just to add a higher price tag (and more things to profit off of once the vehicle is sold) but also a big source of income in parts for the manufacturer and labor for the dealerships.
Once one of these things fail, they don't just stop working.
You get a CONSTANT nagging every single time you start the vehicle at best and at worst they start affecting other systems and disable normal operation of the vehicle.
The engineers aren't adding these features because you think they are out of touch.
They are adding features for profit.
Everything is thought of in these products, especially in the more premium vehicles.
I feel like the average car enthusiast underestimates how far a car maker will go to increase revenue.
@@MyOldNameWasTaken you have absolutely no clue how a product is developed nowadays... Most of what you said is nonsensical internet blaberry.
@@an-dr6eu yeah, i've only been in the industry for 12 years and have experience in both the sales and parts/ service so I may be mistaken but if you want to convince ME SPECIFICALLY then you have to provide me evidence to the contrary.
Now you don't have to do that but maybe you will since you cared enough to post that comment in the first place
who wants parallel parking assists :D
Damn the B-Roll music is absolutely amazing. I know how hard it can be to shoot, edit, and produce all these videos. So I really appreciate the content guys!
Stop kissing their butt. You ain't gonna get a price from them.
Probably farmed-out.
exactly.
@@BigEightiesNewWave our entire team is a group of 2. So its not farmed out
2:25 Mark testing audio with the Cowboy Bebop OST. A banger too.
There is no other car like the Panamera. A family super sport car.
It's just amazing and I love it.
I'll be honest its its the rs6, rs7, m8, and the gt4door. You could technically add in the G90 wagon as well with the e63 wagon.
As an enthusiast, I am amazed at the car and its tech. As a technician, I am terrified beyond my wits by the level of monstrous complexity. Imagine trying to diagnose a CAN bus fault in with the service advisor, service manager and shop foreman breathing down your neck.
The car is made for people that make $400k+ per year.
you realize porsche is a reliable brand?
@@hellocar123 Except it isn't. Look at all the reliability surveys and weep.
I have the Turbo S e-hybrid version of the Panamera, and I can say that it's a fantastic family car. Little kids can get in and out of the rear seats easily on their own. No giant SUV ride height to deal with. There's tons of cargo room in the rear for trips to Costco, Home Depot, etc. The PHEV aspect of it makes it great for quick trips in town for the school drop-off/pick-up, then to soccer practice, then to the birthday party, etc. When you're taking all those short trips, the EV part really shines! Yes, the cracked rotor PCCB brakes are nuts. So is the PVT Plus, 4 wheel steering, PASM, etc. It's all over the top, but it JUST WORKS when you use it all. Or just turn it all off and slam your right foot down to the floor and act like a hoon. Just don't be late picking up the kids.
I wouldn't bother speccing a Panamera with any of those extra performance options. It's just extra cost that doesn't get used. I've honestly never seen a Panamera at the track but plenty of Caymans/Boxsters/911. Heck, even the occasional Macan.
Just want to say I bought a sport turismo (turbo, non e-hybrid) just because of this comment.
Can't wait for your review of the Taycan Cross Turismo!
Ahhh, my man FOMO appreciates the best car reviewer too!
Is it just me or do they do a lot of Porsche reviews.
@@pnourani access. They're getting amazing access to the cars, designers and engineers. It makes for high quality production that we enthusiasts love.
I'm a truck/suv guy, but when the Panamera was released, it was one of the few cars I actually lust over.
Definitely a car I'd own if I won the lottery.
My favorite suv truck of all time is the suburban gmt 800 series 🙏
Piano Black on carplay again, love it xD
As the owner of the same car, i want to point out the actual piano black plastic trim is only on the blades of the air vents. The other black surfaces are glasses such as where those capacitive buttons are. They are not plastic and does not scratch easily.
What I want to know is who thought speccing that poo-brown leather was a good idea?
@El Sordo As a Panamera owner, I can say that I hate the piano black surfaces... They reflect sunlight right into the eyes of driver and passenger alike ... a lot! They should be made matte-black so that they aren't reflective like mirrors...
@@Beer_Dad1975 it’s marsala red interior..z
@@neergewleinad I have been shopping the Panamera. Was debating paying up for a 2018+ but if the new center console is badly reflective then I'll just buy the old one
Wow, that definitely explains why they are so expensive. Incredible break-down guys, thanks!
Agreed. M5 and E63 owners always say this car is overpriced for the performance, but this video illustrates how much more the Panamera has to offer.
I can hardly wait to drive one in the metaverse.
Meta means death in Hebrew.
good job advertising this stupid BS like a mindless robot
😂😂😂
Or in 6 years when they're $35k
Nah bruh zuck wants you to pay him for that lol
Savagegeese is the only channel giving me chills while watching the intro.
17:28 Mark's noises while he's thrown around the cabin 🤣
I remember meeting drivers of these when ice driving in Finland. They were drivers for German executives who had meetings across Germany and worked in them whilst being driven at 300km/h on the autobahn. This works out faster than taking flights, so you guys were spot on, that is the target market!
When they break, those executives are going to wish they had taken flights instead, unless they don't care about 4 digits repair bills when the car gets towed/rolls into the dealership.
Wow what a cool comment! Thanks for telling your story
Makes sense. When you factor in distances to airports and the total time a flight takes from check-in to leaving the terminal, it's probably just as fast to be driven in a compact country like Germany.
@@kpokfposkf if the car largely is used for business any cost are tax deductable including repairs ..and they usually own these cars under warranty anyway. taking flights on a daily basis is in any case more expensive
@@pettersaethre true, but driving long distances every single day can't be healthy, I'd argue the risks of getting into accident rises, let alone going those speeds (300km/h). I'd pick a first class flight over that IF I am an executive (as flight tickets are also tax deductible).
Guys, keep it up with the sound design and tunes on these videos. Loving the the last 4 videos !
intro song and segment in general is sick, you guys always take amazing quality photos and videos
I've never heard Mark gasp like that in any car you've ever launched from stop.
With PDK and Porsches Launch 🚀 control system, plus this is the fastest executive Sedan around the Nurburgring. This Panamera is a gift 🎁 from god 🙏. Can you blame him? For giggling like a little girl.
Mark looking freshly shaved top and bottom during that launch
Well, having one for 2 years i could not agree more. That’s exactly how it feels driving the Panamera. and despite having received a deceiving X5 hybrid 390 hp cie car, I decided not to sell but keep the Panamera.
if u dont want to pay the full price, a second hand is a very good option.
Personally my dream car in terms of what I would want to own as a daily driver(even if it isn't everyone's cup of tea).
- Goes fast enough, can go around a corner, carries bigger things if needed, is quiet and can do +300 miles without any charging or breaks. The rear of that car makes me drool every time I see it. Regrettably I can only keep on dreaming. But until that happens, I'll continue enjoying SG videos and save up money for an MX-5 Miata.
It's such a cool car. I think it's my dream car too. I was in looking at the Cayenne and Taycan, but this one really looks great especially because there are a ton of them on the used market that should be coming back to earth in a couple years when the 2018 redesign makes sense as a 5 year old buy
LOL ain't that the truth
lucky for you luxury cars depreciate like stones and it'll cost 10% of msrp in a few years
@@veryrare7647depends on the trim and what you want in the car from its options.
I love you guys! The reviews are top notch and I watch nearly every video you put out. For what it's worth, I have a hard time following your dialogue at times when you guys interrupt each other. I understand the passion bleeding through which makes it hard to contain yourself. I'm the same way! Also I love and appreciate the humor in your videos. Thank you for making quality content.
The music choices are taking these clips to a whole new level, well done guys.
Just chiming in to say great video. You had me engrossed and engaged the whole time. Glad I subbed. Keep up the good work.
The most detailed technical review I have ever seen for the Porsche Panamera. Thank you!
This channel seriously deserves more view...
they provide superb info. great format..
That intro montage was beautiful. The music was perfect.
Great review!!! For me Panamera ST it's one of the most beautiful cars on the market. No SUV no traditional sedan have this combo of practicality and elegance and sporty approach on the road. I love this vehicle!
Just bought a 2018 Panamera 4, such an awesome car, glad you liked it.
My wife recently got a BMW 3 series (used) and really likes it, but was talking abotu "next cars", and this was on the list... I think I'm going to have to talk her down from the ledge of future financial ruin on this one. You're deep dive on the engineering complication and the incredible spare-no-expense attitude to building this car was really enlightening.
great video production!
At least the 19s still have some good sidewall 😁
Looks better that way
Production quality of your videos is second to none.
Boys... BRAVO on the montage of the car, that song fits the car so well.
Definitely a dream car of mines...this and the E63 and rs6 avant I'd love to own if I had that type of money
that's crazy but nobody cares go work harder instead of sharing your thoughts in youtube comments for boomers to give you 16 likes
the Panamera doesn’t even compete with the E-Class and A6, it’s in the same class as the A8, S-Class, 7-Series, LS and Quattroporte, they are just the only one with an wagon version, something the Volkswagen group always wanted to do (Audi Avantissimo and A9 Prologue Avant)
@@megaxboxx that's crazy you think that because I didn't write this comment to get likes
@@dr-ok3sn yeah I realized that 30 seconds later when Jack talked about it lol
@rasa porosangue why would you be afraid of someone telling you to work harder ? ur that low IQ?
amazing review, thank you!
the songs are boppers this week mark, good shit
You must really like this car ... it never once looked like you were intentionally try to tear it up. I'm impressed.
Your nailed it again guys!!
Great review
Great work guys. Mitch
This car has something impresses you ... it's not to showy, not too loudy, just has some beauty in it !
Ever since the Panamera and Cayenne came out I have wanted both. Porsche has a magical way of make even their comfortable luxury cars very capable
They are after all the same chassis.
@@EvoraGT430The Cayenne and the Panamera don’t share the chassis. The Panamera sits on the much more expensive MSB platform shared with the Bentley CGT
It is impressive the insane amount of technology advancements present in this car, it handles like a sports car while accelerating like a dragster all and brake performance of a race car with 2000 kilograms of weight.
Great review!! Jack you should most of the talking! You have a way of getting the point across without seeming pissed off about the vehicle.
THIS CHANNEL SHOULD HAVE MORE SUBS
"No one who's buying one of these cars is gonna take it to a mid-western farm road and tear it up"
On the contrary, I'm a mid-westerner who's looking to buy one of these to do exactly this!! I'm not even kidding. 😂Zipping out country roads is thrilling!!
I'm actually looking at buying this car because it has countless features and will be a great road-trip car for my friends and I, let alone the fact that it's crazy quick and fast for a hatchback/wagon.
Is the car dancing with beat this is adorable 😍
Great music and of course, great car.
Love this channel. The music is sooo good
Great review guys and gals!
Scratch that. Gals and guys did expersional review!
I genuinely love the sport turismo panamera - its one of the aspiration vehicles for me - thought it was so cool to have a porsche wagon
It's never really looked like a wagon to me - just a hatchback of normal length, where the regular Panamera is a chopped wheelbase version.
Masterpiece of a Vehicle. Well done Porsche.
Best reviewers! Trust + fun Thanks!
I did not expect to hear Bonsaye's Blue Lagoon in the intro. Good stuff
I’d like to see a build sheet on your car reviews so I can see the actual setup and car cost
One of the best cars I've ever driven during the Porsche Driving experience.
@Lagerace .. +1. Agreed, drove a 2020 Panamera dealership loaner for 5 days in the North Atlanta area a while back.. . A sharp luxury sports barge. . How PAG chassis engineering talent disguises the weight of the Panamera 4-door is magical.. Mind-blowing. . The 3-day Porsche Driving Experience is a Top Five in anyone's "bucket list". . Had the pleasure of a PDE @ Road Atlanta, GA when the 911 996 was introduced. . Can't wait for our scheduled PDE ala 911 992 in May, '22. .. Keeping my '98 911 C2S (993)
Finally a song I recognize on the infotainment screen. Nice choice.
I have a '21 GTS .. it's a bulletproof beast ... great review !
The sound track 👌🏼
The digital vent control wins the award of the dumbest idea in the automotive IT tech to date. It's not like that digital control saves you any space because you still have a physical vent with physical blades (or whatever they're called). The only thing it does is make it harder to adjust the vent because the physical blades don't move in real time, and the digital representation seems to a bit laggy, so I'd imagine it may take more than one attempt to set the vent to the right position sometimes. It doesn't SOLVE any problems (no space saved, no improvement in the easy of adjustment). Are people who design this kind of crap into cars total morons, or do they think buyers are? Boy these gimmicks are going to age well.
Latency is the very reason I hate automated manual transmissions.
Like so many products, we reached the pinnacle of what we could do years ago...now they have nothing left to do but add stuff like this, because they can't just keep selling the same thing (they think) no matter how good it might be. Every year they have to "improve" it.
That's why you can buy water heaters with bluetooth connectivity and refrigerators with wifi today.
They don’t want you to have to touch plastic, it’s for disgusting commoners.
As a Panamera owner, I sort of agree. That said, you can set the vents to Diffuse mode and they will slowly move to circulate air around the cabin. It's a nice thing versus just having the air blow on you all the time or next to you all the time. It's just...there. I'm kinda surprised that Porsche didn't tie it into the GPS to automatically switch to recirculating air or close the center vents when driving into a city center (pollution control).
@@diqster just use the defroster vents if you want diffuse air.
before you mentioned how it slaughtered an LFA around the track, i was thinking about how in comparison to its "competition" of how it just handles better and drives better. im really not surprised but just amazed because porsche truly is the best engineers ever, and its not biased, its fact
Man those from the front where the panamera changes lane... so nice
Great Review guys!! Porsche is an amazing car company period!!
Yes, captain obvious!
Jack always showing us expensive cars. Come back from the moon!
…because no one will watch a Hyundai review
@@hertzair1186 I don't know about Hyundai but Honda/Toyota has a lot of views in general.
This isn’t unattainable at all. I don’t see an issue. Most people don’t care about the details with an average commuter car.
@@JStryker7 No one said anything about it being unattainable. But you are living in the clouds if you think the majority of people are able to purchase one.
I don't mind watching videos about more expensive cars. I was just stating an observation that Jack is always picking expensive vehicles.
Also, you're wrong about people not caring about details on an average commuter car.
I've always loved the Panamera.
As beautiful as this is, and amazing as it surely drives, it seems like a maintenance nightmare. Even super rich folks want their cars to work.
Maybe super rich people need excuses to get out of golf dates or meetings?
You better be super rich or incredibly stupid to own this. Liability X 10 compared to a Lexus product. And you first born will die when this car is given to them as a hand me down
20:35 nice censor 😂😂😂
Love the styling and the station wagon concept which is why I drive a Buick TourX (Opel really) and being poor only spent $40.
Underrated car. Thanks for buying a wagon.
Amazing car....amazing review.
What a beautiful and badass car... and who knew that Mexico had such lush and colorful vegetation in the autumn months!
The best car ever! After Urus this is would be my second choice. Fast, safe and practical.
It would be helpful to Include the year and trim of the vehicles in your reviews for people who are in the market for these cars. I actually needed it while shopping a LC500
The badging is shown in the Intro and the trim is mentioned at the 6:50 mark.
Love seeing Tank by SEATBELTS from the Cowboy Bebop album at 2:04. Also great review as always
Hot damn we need more wagons.
Finally. The only attractive Panamera. Wonderful car for a roadtrip. Rode US 95 which runs from Jersey to Florida and this was amazing. 4 guys, gear and a roof carrier, and you never noticed. Eventually this technology will filter down, but best selling car for Porsche. Go figure.
Is it? I'm surprised it's not one of the SUV's because I see them all over here.
@@TermlessHGW yeah, the Cayenne outsold the Panamera in 2020 almost 8:1...
@@TermlessHGW Best selling CAR, of course. SUVs are SUVs!
the Cayenne, Macan, Taycan and 911 all sell better than the Panamera
watching this made me regret selling my Volvo V60. But then I remembered having to fix it all the time.
I’m loving the music at the beginning….
It's cool they're looking forward to the live adaptation of Cowboy Bebop.
John Cho's got the right essence for Spike.
Love playing The Real Folk Blues ending theme on guitar
Finally, a wagon big enough for Fatt Singapore.
The music is amazing
Thank YOU very much 😁
I can't imagine having to work on one of these.
I lost it soon as mark said Panamera 😂
I have always liked the Panamera and this one is calling my attention. I hope to be able to afford one down the road. (:
Average of $550K income.... My cousin is a doctor and makes nowhere near that. I'm an engineer and even with a side business I have never made even half that in any year. Next time I see one I will signal the driver to roll their window down so I can ask them just what the bloody hell they do for a living because even two college degrees hasn't allowed me to buy one. Hopefully they'll shared their secret! :-)
Heartlessly exploit people for monetary gain, probably.
Edit: Or it could be combined household income.
This is the person that does your finances, and the finances of your friends. Once you add up their yearly 'cut'? Bingo...
He is likely a grossly overpaid CEO who thinks he's worth every penny he's paid.
My wife is nurse and she makes over 160k - i check other cities for nurses and they are like half of what she makes doing the same required work. My cousin is a pharmacist and he makes roughly the same as my wife so it all depends on location. My close friend who is a computer engineer with 20+ year experience does $200k and yes he lives in a big metropolitan area.
Surgeons. Ask my sis =)
That intro music and the Florida license plate? Definitely for a certain demo blasting Kokomo on the beach side
I drive this a lot on the German autobahn and it is a great car. It is very fast, it is possible to have a phone call at 150 miles/hour, you reach your destination fully relaxed and you look forward to the next trip. Besides that it is fun on back roads and very nimble in city traffic due to the all wheel steering.
Just started cross shopping utilitarian wagons and CUVs from the 80k+ OEMs. Really like the idea of keeping my hybrid environmental street cred intact and the Panamera e-Hybrid really seems to fit the bill. Love the comprehensive review. Please review the Lexus UXe when it comes out!
Your wife's boyfriend will probably like it too
Wonderfully produced video. Just found this video and would like to comment from an owner of a 2018 4E hybrid sedan and about to take delivery on a 2022 4SE hybrid sport Turismo. I agree the cars are expensive, yes we can afford one but, my wife and I are environmentally conscious. She drives a Volvo XC 90 hybrid.
We live in central Minnesota where it routinely gets to -20F in the winter and an all electric vehicle just isn’t practical. Both range issues and lack of charging infrastructure. I looked at a 4S Taycan seriously but, realized for many months of the year I wouldn’t be able to drive to Minneapolis and back without charging during the trip.
This car allows me to get over a 1000 miles on a tank of gas during warmer months ( I live 5 miles from work) and can go days without the engine coming on but, can do launch control when the itch gets me. The ride, luxury features, etc are added benefits and this is about the only vehicle out there which checked all the boxes.
I learned a lot from your video, especially when you two were under the car discussing technical features. I’m a new subscriber to the Chanel now. Thanks again
Phil P.
Little Falls,Mn
This as a daily or family car along with any 911. The complete 2 car garage.
I love the Panamera.
Mint! 👌
Keep it up!!
Just imagine the maintenance costs for the sixth owner when it’s 20 years old!
It will be throw away at that point, like most German cars are at ten years.
@@lhlapakjoao I rarely see old 911s, 924, Panamera on road. They’re either in the garage behind junk, in a junk yard or trailer queens.
@@alexnutcasio936 by the time they've depreciated low enough for your average 19-22 year to buy one they've been run into the ground
911 is actually one of the most reliable sports cars, but anyone who can afford one isnt going to mile it.
They simply won’t last 20 years. They won’t even last 15. Most are totaled (because repairs are extremely expensive). Think about it… the first gen came out in 2010 and you already don’t see any on the road. I mean, they barely sell any anyway, but almost none are still on the road just 5-6 years down the line.
@@alexnutcasio936 what is old?
Cobwoy Bebop soundtrack!
Piano black seatbelts
The Panamera is the ultimate “everything” super car! The sedan (not wagon) 4S E-Hybrid is the real deal and looks amazing! And it is as fast as an M5 (3.2 seconds 0-60). Excellent review!
Or you could get a 1.5-2 year old Turbo S e-hybrid on CPO for the same price as a new 4S e-hybrid. Way more car where every $6k option is standard. No waiting 9 months for a build either. That's what I did, and I love it.
@@diqster I don’t blame anyone for doing that. But there are benefits to getting a brand new 4S E-Hybrid, which is nearly identical in terms of speed/performance to the Turbo S E-Hybrid. You can go crazy on the options for a new 4S E-Hybrid and land at about $150k, the benefit other than obviously a brand new car is the updated features that come with 971.2 and for ‘22 the new PCM 6. That’s what I did, ordered in Summer and waiting another month or so for delivery.
@@SS-22 The 4SEH I specced landed at $165k. I just put the basic stuff you'd expect to find in a $150k car and skipped the crazy aesthetic accoutrements.
I think most drivers would opt for the 4L V8 over PCM6 any day (as much as I do miss Android Auto). To each their own, enjoy your new car and I hope it comes with everything you ordered!
@@diqster Thanks, and I hope you’re enjoying your Panamera too. I got the following options and don’t think they’re just basic stuff: chalk special color, black/red full leather interior with Porsche crest on headrests, 21” sport design wheels, Porsche innodrive/adaptive cruise with traffic jam assist, head up display, surround view cameras, 14-way massage/ventilated/heated seats, GT sport steering wheel with heating, rear axle steering, power steering plus, PDLS headlights, ambient plus interior lighting, rear screen with 4-zone climate control, Bose sound system, gloss black exterior accents and exclusive design taillights, and 7.2kw onboard charger, with PDCC/PTV+/sport exhaust system-just over $150k. The 4S E-Hybrid comes with some sweet standard features too like PASM, Sport Chrono package, etc. To me, that has all the bells and whistles. Of course, you can keep adding options as your heart desires and go over $200k even on the 4S E-Hybrid…. When I considered CPO TS E-H, yes they had standard features like PDCC/PTV and PCCB brakes, etc. but they lacked a lot of comfort features like massage seats, Porsche innodrive, head up display, etc. To me, paying for a used heavier TS-EH with V8 just to go 0.1 or 0.2 seconds faster didn’t make sense. I have a V8 BMW F10 now… V8 is cool but overrated honestly. Classic Porsches are V6 anyways.
@@SS-22 My TSEH was CPO (5 year warranty, unlimited miles) and has massage heat cooled seats F+R, night vision, innodrive ACC, 7.2kw, burmester, etc. It's loaded and was less than your spec. Also the V8 isn't a big difference in 0-60 that's sure but how often are you doing that? It's a monster compared with the V6 in highway driving. There's no comparison once you hit the kill button and go.
Holy Beautiful
The rear looks so good.
I would just like to say, massive props for the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack