Larry Rolla, Race Fixing, The Mob, and where a lot of the bodies are buried
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
- This one absolutely qualifies for The Rouge's Gallery!
Larry Rolla has been there, done that, and most of the time more than once. If you want to talk race fixing back when, and also today, Larry is as good a choice to converse with as you'll find. Larry Rolla was involved and a key player in the past race fixing scandals that reached as far as the prestigious Saratoga meet. Does it still go on? Listen and find out that and more. How was it done, what is the biggest misconception about it, how was 'The Mob" involved and so much more.
Larry joins our own Jonathan Stettin who has a story or two himself. These two make up for a great show you won't want to miss.
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What a great interview! Brought back memories of my younger years, in Detroit, harness and thoroughbred racing. Fixes were about who was “ Out”. It wasn’t about who would win or who was “In”; but who was “Out”. Remember going out to one drivers home/farm after the last race because he came in third when he was supposed to be “Out”.
John, loved the shirt story… for me it was Italian knit shirts. Sold them like hot cakes!
Love PTW.
I'm sure. Angel cordero was happy to see this interview
Mr. Rolla has been on my radar for a couple months now. I have heard some of these stories before watched many videos. They way he feels comfortable with a you and the stories just flow out because most of his interviews are with guys that are only interested in the mob stuff. Larry is a horseman and seems comfortable with someone that is interested in horses and racing.
Grazie
A hard listen at times, but one of the best episodes of Past The Wire yet.Thanks and appreciation to Larry for his honest truth. Jon, this is not just a compliment but my strong opinion- you are one of the very best people in racing and for racing,we need you, keep up the great work.
Much appreciated
I think it's still going on. Bc it doesn't add up on paper.. my dad always said, you can't predict on what an animal will do.. I thought math magically you could get close to it. I mean.. IDK.. does a horse wake up and say " not today y'all im not doing it" and just bucks. Refuses . ?! I have looked at some horses coming out and they have not been happy.. like nope. Like threw a fit. ..
If they have diarrhea, or gas..or constipated.. I'm sure that would effect them.. sometimes I think their bit is not right. Bc they are shaking their head. I wouldn't like that either.. there is a lot of factors. I joined a horse racing club at Churchill Downs. Paid. Went in on a horse and can't get there bc my ex boyfriend totaled my car. I think I made a bad decision doing this bc they are not that friendly.. ugh
@@tarakersey6115who is not friendly? The other owners? How many are in the ownership? If not many the fees charged for paperwork etc. can be a racket.
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Great video…I was directly involved with a fixed race at Yonkers in the early 70’s. 5 horse field…three crooked drivers tried to wire the field and block the two honest drivers. My group knew the fix was in 48 hrs to the race. HY Bernadette was supposed to win, but the 2 honest guys broke quickly and they wired the field. Fans knew the race was corrupt and they started tossing the garbage cans on the track. The judges never showed a replay. Lost thousands on that.
There was an Infamous riot at Roosevelt Raceway over a fixed race 1960s O believe Matt NYC
I love that Polo Shirt story....Remember that sign in the Frenchmans Kitchen in the Belmont Backstretch near Marvin Cohen's Barn? ."You can eat your betting money...but never bet your eating money! " ??? .Matt NYC
Great show, great guest...he made a comment about this happening in California, would love to hear more on that. I know of one harness case from decades ago at Cal Expo/Sacramento (where there was a prosecution) that sounded very similar in style to some of the examples he gave. The reason it was discovered was that the tri payout was too small and half the mutuel clerks cashed tickets on the race.
Enjoyed the conversation fellas. I was a mutual clerk when in college in the early 90s. I remember a number of times working right outside the OTB manager's office when he would get a phone call minutes before a race. He would come out and bet that horse with authority. It happened about 3 or 4 times when I was working and he won every time. After about 6 months he was moved to another OTB and I cried! Lol
Yeah, I was betting behind him. Momma didn't race no fool!
Damn Jon that is a bad ass interview with Larry.. who needs Netflix with stuff like that.
Thank you!
35 years of reading DRF ,, and I have never ever read one article, that is even close to what you discuss on your pod casts …
Grazie, I think lol.....
Johnny's auto parts and uncle chickie.would of help you.out
Very interesting show...sometimes I do feel bad playing this game knowing that many of these horses are treated horribly.If I ever have the luck to make a big score, I'll be the first in line to donate to the care of horses after racing....
I understand
There are so many places these RICH 1 PERCENT OWNERS COULD DONATE THESE HORSES... I DON'T KNOW ALOT ABOUT THIS STUFF BC I REALLY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS TRUE.. BC IM FROM KY .. AND IN LEXINGTON ALONE.. THE FARMS AND BARNS ARE NICER THAN SOME OF THE POVERTY STRICKEN PLACES IN KY.. THE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME WHY THEY WOULD JUST GET RID. NOT FEED AFTER ITS DAYS ARE UP. I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HANDLE THE DETAILS BC I GET PHYSICALLY SICK.. BUT THERE ARE NON PROP IDEAS AND ORGS THAT SOMETHING COULD COME UP WITH. EVEN A GOVERNMENT CONTRACT LIKE WITH VETERANS WITH THE VA. THAT DEALS WITH HUD VASH FOR HOMELESS VETERANS, AND MAKE A RANCH/ COMPOUND/ FARM/ REHAB/ TRAUMA THERAPY PLACE FOR VETERANS THAT PROVIDES PERMANENT HOUSING FOR VETERANS, ON A WORKING FARM, THAT HOUSES RETIRED HORSES. OFCOURSE THERE WOULD NEED TO BE THE VA. HUD. DEPT OF HOUSING.. VOUCHERS FOR VETERANS. HUD VASH.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
BC OF VETERANS
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
VA WOULD CONTACT OUT INDEPENDENT DRS FOR THERAPY ETC
BUT WOULD NEED LAND GRAND
BUT WHEN VETERANS THAT ARE HOUSED TOGETHER WHO ARE STRUGGLING THEY TEND TO DO BETTER WHEN THEY ARE ON A STRUCTURE LIKE THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE IN ACTIVE DUTY..
42 VETERANS KILL THEMSELVES A DAY
THERE ARE VETERANS THAT ARE HOMELESS VETERANS THAT ARE IN NEED OF REHABILITATION..
AND THERE ARE HORSES THAT ARE IN NEED OF HOMES..
THERE IS A PROGRAM OUT WEST WITH MUSTANGS
AND A PRISON..
WHERE PRISONERS BREAK THE HORSES AND GET THEM READY TO ADOPT OUT. AND THE BREAK EACH OTHER
THIS PROGRAM I THINK WOULD HEAL THE VETERAN PROVIDE PURPOSE AND HOME AND CARE AND LOVE FOR THE HORSE.
I THINK ITS A FABULOUS IDEA.
I DON'T HAVE ANY NAMES. CONTACTS.. ETC..
This really upsets me..I have been hassled on Twitter so much about this and I told them what do they want. Horses to go extinct? I told them to look up the mustang round up out west. Bc if they don't get adopted out they get put down... I have mixed feelings too. I have been to The KY horse Park and several KY farms and have seen very good nice farms.. and good care .. .. I have never seen an abused horse . It makes me nauseous thinking about it. That's why I don't like Bob Baffert.. sigh..
Need to make sure they are treated well during racing as well.
1000%@@kayeroskaft9619
Iam looking forward for that show
One of your most entertaining shows Jonathan!!!
Larry's story's are 100 percent on the money.
Sports illustrated ran a front page story in the late 70s about the race fixing in New York involving con Enrico and fat tony ciulla.
Can't wait for another show with Larry.
Thanks Steven appreciate it
Wow...what a GREAT show Jon! Gotta have him back for more!! Grazie!
grazie, will do!
I definitely could use some inside " tips". BC I have lost a lot in past couple of months. I love this sport. But when I'm stressed out with personal things, and I don't want to think about THOSE issues.. this is a perfect way to occupy your mind and not think about things that you would normally do.. that keep you normally upset.. just family stuff since I got divorced stuff years ago. Stuff with my adult sons that may ex husband has a psychological hold on them and it keeps me very upset.. and worried about my adult sons. Stuff I can't control. But I am a worrier.. and this keeps my mind occupied.. but unfortunately it's has created a lot of damage to.. my own fault, I know you people don't want to hear about my problems.. but I'm basically going to be a grandma. The granddaughter is due any day now.. however... my ex husband has started drama with my daughter in law, her mom.. and over a year now she just Ghosted me.. for no reason. And my son is a Marine. At CL in N C .. it was when he was deployed.. it's been almost 2 years.. it was around July 4 and I got a text wishing me A Happy 4th. My youngest son told me they were getting evicted. While he was deployed.. and that's illegal both federal and state. Active military have Protection. So I texted her.. got ahold of him.. saying hey. She just needs to go to the courthouse to file a paperwork with the clerk.. I looked up the exact form sent it to both my daughter in law and son when he was overseas.. and said " Hey you don't have to move right now. Legally the judge can put this on hold until you get home. He was still going to be gone another 6 months..".. She refused to acknowledge my texts. Calls.. I explained everything to my son thinking he would be relieved. I wasn't rude. Just very fact based. Maybe several texts bc they included alot of information. I explained everything. I told her I would drive there, I have in Savannah GA.. go to NC. And go to the court house and do it with her. Just hang on. Bc they get a housing allowance.. and if they live off base.. say their allowance is 1200.. I'm not sure exactly. But they find rental for $800.. they get to keep the extra $400 in pocket. On base housing.. That $1200 goes directly to housing. And most military service families when they start out and they live on base can barely afford groceries bc of the low income and they well some qualify for food stamps. But that $1200 for housing is counted as income even though they don't see it , it's taken but taxed.. and counted.. so I was trying to help them save their house . Bc their landlord was a veteran.. they had a lease.. and they were getting screwed. I think something happened.. with my son being deployed.. not my business.. but my intentions were only trying to help them from not losing money.. and that veteran knew better. My daughter in law called my ex husband. The Brains of Nothing. Even though educated. And he doesn't care if my son loses money. He makes 6 figures a year. He actually charged them for his time.. he to is a airforce veteran. So he is a hero and I'm the bad guy. Buy trying to help.. he makes up lies about me to my daughter in law. That's when this started when they had time alone. He is a diagnosed narcissist. He has actually accused me of things that are about him. I have never spoken badly about his Dad to my boys . It's not appropriate.. Anyway.. I'm sorry I have rambled on.. I normally have very good self control with betting.. but this past summer with my son's has been very hard. And I have not gotten to see my son.. I have literally begged him for me to come there. I have apologized for over stepping boundaries if that is what I did but I can't even get an answer. She refuses to speak to me and his phone calls have been less frequent.. her mom contacted me and threatened me and none of it makes sense bc I don't see them.. talk to them. I sent baby gifts.. and I'm utterly confused and hurt and would have never imagined I would have never not get to see my first grandchild.. especially if being a girl.. so instead of crying almost every day I get into horse racing just to forget about this stuff.. bc it's torture..
I Don't want any pity I don't want that.. I just wanted to explain why I have gotten myself in this mess right now. Bc my granddaughter is due, could have been born
. And I was warned that when I left my ex.. he would make my life miserable.. and he has.. doing everything he can through my boys to hurt me... he took everything.. divorce was served in the paper.. he is a liar. And I haven't reacted to him.. anyway that's enough. Sorry you can delete this if you want... I just didn't want people to think I'm irresponsible all of the time.. it's helped me cope right now.. but I'm in a pickle.. but I'll be all right.. love your show... sincerely..
The truest interview i've ever heard of fixing races ever
Brother...we were on the track at the same time. I'm 55. Saratoga was Heaven...they always talked about extending the meet, but that came much later. Do you have an email? I'm sure we know all the same people . Glad I found this show Matt NYC
e amil me through the website and I will reply...
You can't make this stuff up (well maybe some) but I feel like this is some kind of True confessions of Mob stories documentary on True story TV not UA-cam. Amazing stuff. I could listen to his stories.. Which obviously there are tons, all day. Amazing interview. Glad you let him do most of talking. 👏 👊
Great story, saw that INQUIRY coming a mile away - LOL
Been watching Larry since he started, gonna start watching this channel.
Fantastic interview 👏 Matt NYC
Grazie!
This was the bomb guys!!! Love Past the Wire and I’ve watched all the Larry podcasts. I didn’t even dream this would happen with these two worlds colliding! Magnificent!
Grazie
My first x i heard this show .....stopped by when i heard Larry was on. You got me as a new sub.
welcome and Grazie!
That was an interesting and informative discussion Jon, good job. I'm very much looking forward to the follow up episode with Larry/Hammer. Regarding Mike Hole, he was either the leading or certainly 2nd in the jock standings at Suffolk Downs in the late 60's. That continued success prompted taking his tack to NY, where he sadly died. From what I've read, I agree with your assessment as to how it happened. His son Taylor, as you're probably aware also became a jockey, not sure if he's still riding.
Thanks John, appreciate it.
Larry ..certainly very interesting guy ...could listen to him all day
definitely
pasthewire guy very entertaining with larry......new follower................. can tell pasthewire guy knows racing
Grazie
I grew up on the NY Thoroughbred tracks. 3rd Generation. Up until late 1980s.... Most trainers were pretty good to their horses, but there were a small.handful of S.O.B.s that had no love for the horse. They were looked down upon by the good Horseman. Matt NYC
Awesome I found out about Larry from soft White under belly channel then searched and found your Chanel...
I also think had Larry got his stall's and a fare shake at Yonkers the first time and the bigger track's the first time I don't think he woud have gotten involved in fixing also I think had he not made his first football and basketball bet and just stuck with the horse's he wouldn't have gone down the fixing path or not nearly as bad .
I tho do think he went down a beeter path for his mother's sake vs being in and out of jail and robing gas stations and semi trucks of there whiskey..
I know Larry a long time great friend very nice man
What a fabulous episode! Thank you for a great hour!
Great show, thank you both.
thank you
I know Larry well and what he says is correct. Very smart man who many years ago I hung with before Alan Seewald’s premature demise.
STORIES OF OLD, STORIES OF GOLD!! GOOD STUFF JOHN 👍🏾
Grazie
Let’s get the trifecta Jon, Larry and the Hammer
NYRA stewards still missing calls after all these years on that first time starter Jon..Great presentation
Thank you Timothy.
Meet a trainer in Harrington on vacation in OC Maryland yrs back....He told me Herve was driving his horse....On his way to the window the roller said to him you betting your horse? Herve ain't lol......Herve came back after the race and told him next week.
I wish to congratulate Larry on his appointment as the new treasurer for the angel cordero fan club
What does Larry know about Johnny Campo's "mysterious" Sabotage of his whole string at Barn 48 at Belmont 1986?
Fire 🔥 Sprinkler Valve for the barn "somehow" was off that night...Horrible , EVIL thing to do to him and the horses. Johnny Campo Sr was a great trainer and from the Old Neighborhood (South Ozone Park)..took no crap. .stand-up guy. I walked hots 🔥 for him age 11-13 ( 1979-1981) Pleasant Colony days. Matt NYC
My father sam smith was a harness driver and was a good friend of johnny Campo's
Fantastic show......thanks
thank you
Fascinating story!
I remember when they found Mike Cole in his car. Hmmm...Liz's Kitchen!! Blast from the past. Matt NYC
Boy does this guy bring back old memories ,,,,,50 plus year harness and flat better here,
Great show bro no doubt
Appreciate that
This guy tells some tall tales..
He does, most well documented and he is making a lot of appearances.
Can you imagine the stories Larry has that ain't getting out ......
Larry let's make money I'll put the bets in for us
Been a backside racetracker since I was in diapers as My dad worked for Allen Jerkens when I was born in 1968 and I was in the barn with ONION/PROVE OUT at 5 yrs.old until Hialeah CHANGED THEIR SIGN NO DOGS ALLOWED TO NO KIDS ALLOWED because I was a Terror on my New GTO Pedal Car LOL TRUE STORY This is the Best Story you've done ever
Luciano also had a reputation for being lucky at gambling).Lucky Luciano Betting at Race Track
(Original Caption) Lucky Luciano picks a winner, and it's an American. Photo shows the smile of decision on Ducky's face.Charles (Lucky) Luciano (circa 1945) had a slice of the action in Saratoga Springs.
Grazie
They need that same sign on airplanes.. if you're child can't behave.. or have crates available to place them and shove them under their seat like little dogs. 🙄.. joking.. but my dog is 7 lbs is quite.. wouldn't Even know he was on me. But everyone would hear him as soon as I put him in a crate under my seat.. makes no sense. They need adult size crates for unmanageable adults who need a time out.. preferably a sound proof one.. who wants to ruin everyone else's flight.. drives me nuts. Thought I would share bb the sign you shared is very clever. Lol
Being able to “rat” on the bad actors is necessary to stop the horrors horses endure. What still happens to horses now? I remember the horses that have dropped dead of cardiac arrest in the last few years and can only think of EPO. I found two articles on it in Paulick Report, one from 2015; one from 2019. I fear 2024 is no different as the problems in detecting the blood doping still exist.
What is the book called? Matt NYC
Best show ever
Grazie!!!
Wayne here. So??? The year of the $50,000 check - did you win, lose or break even? 😅
Corruption exists in every aspect of life those of us that love racing respect that but unwarranted regulation will only lead to the end of racing and the death of sports in general the good far outweighs the bad apples
Larry's the best
Jean Luc "Samyn on the Green"
What a turf rider!
Where in Queens did Larry grow up? Where
Was this gas station ⛽? Matt NYC
Larry Rolla is money.....
Animal rights people have no clue at all need to stay in there lane in 2023 at major tracks they are more pampered than my daughter was at 3
BS
best show ever.
Say hello to Pete and evalin
Are you changing the name to behind the wire?
Never say never but no. Never.
Solo two fly fly dudley
I bought one of those polo shirts out of John's car trunk. It shrunk like a mother f*****. Fugazi
Murdock
In.front own by peter.and elaine rolla
Murdock
Your not broke
Do you know Pat Mahoney? JR
He knows me well. He was the head of mutuals at Calder when I was betting big back in the day. Also knew him when he went to NYRA. My brother was still a mutual clerk at that time and we have different last names. When he found out he went to my brother and said hello. Very nice guy. Always took good care of me.
Larry fixed the Belmont Stakes. That's why Sierra Leone got bumped and was too far back with too much to do. Sierra Leone should be banned from horse racing because he can't run straight.
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Stripped Golden Gate 4 to 1 1970-71. Sloppy Track. Check it out.
gots to see da hammer with you and larry ..........would be great
we plan on setting it up soon
Me.and.mike Toscano let.me know
Barred and using a Beard!
That’s been happening a very long time and still happens today. Often.
@@PastTheWireTV So not really barred, so the crooks can still operate, while the folks playing on the up and up keep getting hosed! Pretty soon it will be Owner Trainer racing against owner trainer. No more owners left! Can't fill a race card now, tracks closing up shop. Same ones stealing all the dough!
Let's talk about impeaching Biden and re electing trump
🤣🤣🤣🤣...keep dreaming fool !!
Are you a Comedian ?.....Trump would finish last in a one horse race !.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Larry your catastrophic mistake was you talk too much? If you tell one person something add another one to it that’s 11 and that will add another times 11 hello😊
I KNEW IT.. IM AT THE PODCAST WHERE U SAID ABOUT THE JOCKEYS.. NOT LARRY
BUT GUY IN RED HAT..
I think some races are still being fixed without the Mob. Any comments anyone? I have had a sneaking suspicion for a long time bc of the handicap. Irad Ortiz is my favorite Jockey, he has been on the favorite, and I have watched him in some races, where to me, it literally looks like he holds back on the horse.. verses his normal aggressive riding. It doesn't add up on paper with the Horse, and it doesn't add up for Irad. I honestly think that the Jockeys have a secret little inside deal and they decide who is going to win on SOME races. Bc these Jockeys from what I understand, do not have a retirement plan, a union.. etc. And if they God Forbid become become disabled or paralyzed or injured to the point their career is over. They have what,( their winnings to live on forever?!) But I have seen them talk about .. drunk karaoke for a fundraiser for disabled Jockeys.. that's pitiful. A jockey who has sustained a career ending injury, example paralyzed..( God Forbid) that's atleast ( I would estimate ATLEAST 2 million dollars a year in medical expenses with health insurance).. American Health Care System. These Jockeys, Like Ortiz Brothers, Pratt, Franco, Castelleno, Davis, Karmouch, ( I'm sure I have mis spelled their names) but the Big Named Jockeys I'm sure are very wealthy who have won many main races, year after year.. My question is, are they Independent Agents so they can ride for whoever they want? Are their medical expenses, retirement, disability insurance coverage up to them? Are they eligible for disability coverage and life insurance due to their occupation? I don't understand why that these Jockeys from a Union , to have better protection, not just for the main stream jockeys, but all jockeys... the sport would stop until an agreement would be reached. These men deserve protection for their health, their future and their families.. They shouldn't have to spend their winnings of their prime on a possible career ending accident, life changing accident.. They ride these majestic beautiful horses to win, place, and shows, and for people's entertainment worldwide! They deserve protection from The Organization, Owners, and Trainers. That's the way I feel.. As do these horses.. they don't need to be cast out just bc they reach a certain age.. why not donate them to. A facility for therapy for veterans and military, or children, or family therapy... why not and try and get a government contract of some sort to help say, veterans who also need housing and work, and pair them up with horses who are retired who need housing apparently and love apparently.
There is no better animal to fix a person who has been broken, especially their spirit and emotionally. These race horses who did their job who just get kicked out or neglected bc they are too old or whatever the reason is... REALLY BOTHERS ME! WHY not some of these blessed Rich people who have the ability to pay upwards of 9 million to pay for one horse... they can't ( and their rich colleagues) come up with places throughout this country to build a farm, and have staff and have housing for qualified vets to be taught how to take care of these horses?!. That's killing 2 birds with one stone... and this would be a tax write off... for the donation of horses, land, etc... and I know that the Government involved is looking for ideas to house veterans... and veterans who are struggling with PTSD, studies have shown that they do best with other veterans, on a daily schedule, performing tasks... There should not be one homeless veteran in this country. Not one veteran should kill himself daily but the stats show 42/day kill themselves..
Not one horse used for sport, should be neglected, starved, unhoused, abused, just because they no longer meet the need for " sport"..
If could figure out how to put this together I would. If I had money I would do this... Horses save people.. People let's save them.. Let's brainstorm and save them..
I believe with such a large influence of Latin American jockeys, trainers, and backstretch workers today in racing that the cartel has there hand in race fixing and the transportation of illegal drugs that can't be detected in post race drug test. However I wouldn't doubt that the mob still has a hand in it also.
Holy shit what a book you wrote there. 1) there was a fund recently created for disabled riders. 2) of course they still fix races. That's common sense. Mob or no mob. The game has always been dirty. It's easier to fix a thoroughbred race and it's easy to break a trotter, but any race can be fixed.
I have literally watched IRAD ORTIZ in my opinion slow down his horse. I have watched it in slow motion.. different angles... bc Irad is known to be aggressive AF .. to where he gets complaints called. We need cameras in the Jockeys room.. Body Cam..etc.. this is bull.. I love horse racing but now I'm getting pissed off... why don't they have independent officials in there..
They need a Whistleblower in the Jockeyclub..
They would be iced out!
@@kevinpantera4429 This is literally horse shat. I have lost a shat ton .. I mean I'm in a bind. Im not mad at the horses . I think if I was at the track. I might have the urge to grab one off the horse. And say WTF are you doing man.. ( I visualize myself doing to that every time I lose, but I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.. I HAVE SENT IRAD ORTIZ SOME TWEETS) AND FOX SPORTS " JOCKEY ?! / ANNOUNCER/ HANDICAPPER .. EVERY HORSE HE TALKS SHAT ON.. PICK THAT ONE.. )
@@kevinpantera4429 His name is Andy S. He drives me bat shat crazy. I have tweeted him.. alot.. asked when he was a Jockey.. I have no memory.. I remember when they went from white to Hispanic. He wasn't any good if he did.. and he picks the wrong horse as fav. And his horse he shat talks usually will WPS.
@@kevinpantera4429 That's why they need to have a union.. or certain stables need to only work with certain Jockeys. See what I mean to avoid this from happening.. this pisses me off..
Two bust out’s throwing anything against the wall they’ll hope sticks ! Larry keeps throwing Frank Carlotta’s name around huge huge informants snitch snitch snitch’s just watch the Fuckin movie Larry grab a marker a piece cardboard hit a corner will tell lies for money
Most of what he says is part of the court transcripts which are public record and I have read. Zero was contradicted in them. It was what it was.