“When you have lived with prophecy for so long, the moment of revelation is a shock.” I love this line and I love how the actress portrayed the moment.
On March 3rd 1971, at 010:35 hours. While laying on a stretcher covered in mud & blood, I had such a revelation. It was instantaneous and profound beyond human beliefs. I can fully appreciate her comment.
I *love* that the actress actually made it look like she was going to continue saying "Maker of Death" and stopped herself when Mapes wailed, that's such fantastic detail from the books, that Jessica actually gets through this by mistake.
@JJ Email Jessica was going to say "Maker of Death", which was part of the myth that the Missionairia Protectiva left behind, but Mapes's reaction made her stop at "Maker". "“Eighe-e-e-e-e-e!” Mapes wailed. It was a sound of both grief and elation. She trembled so hard the knife blade sent glittering shards of reflection shooting around the room. Jessica waited, poised. She had intended to say the knife was a maker of death and then add the ancient word, but every sense warned her now, all the deep training of alertness that exposed meaning in the most casual muscle twitch. The key word was... maker. Maker? Maker. Still, Mapes held the knife as though ready to use it. Jessica said: “Did you think that I, knowing the mysteries of the Great Mother, would not know the Maker?”
@JJ Email If you look carefully, she begins to mouth out "of" around 1:30 but stops. I didn't even realize they did that until argophontes pointed it out. That's rad!
01:03 The reason why Lady Jessica went from composed to worried in just seconds is because of the crysknife. She was not expecting THAT weapon: - It proves that Shadout Mapes is really a fremen, so it means she could be a formidable warrior. - A crysknife was not allowed to be seen by those considered to be outsiders by the tribe. It's literally a dead sentence. - If it was drawn, it could not be resheathed until it had drawn blood. This is why Jessica alerted the guard. She was not sure about the outcome of this situation.
Yup, great points. Only thing which might not apply here is the last: I think it's no longer film canon that the Fremen believe that "once drawn, a crys-knife may not be sheathed until it has tasted blood" (or thereabouts, paraphrasing from the books); there were numerous times where people draw it and then sheathe it without blooding it in the film.
All excellent observations, but there was another battle that was going on here which is more evident in the books, but really hard to convey on film. The Shadout Mapes was there not just to test Jessica for her part in the prophecy but kill her if she failed (the Fremen don't do things in half-measures). Jessica knew that if she got any part of the expected prophecy that Mapes understood wrong, there would be violence.
Waited my entire life to see a director who loved the book bring this vision to life, was extremely happy to see scenes like this. Still get goosebumps.
This scene was filmed in the 1984 David Lynch version as well but cut from the theatrical release. In that version Lady Jessica tells Shadout Mapes (Linda Hunt) that she has "...sheathed the blade unbloodied." So, Shadout pulls Jessica's hand and lets the blade cut her chest. It's kind of erotic. ua-cam.com/video/QAxRAKBxI9s/v-deo.html
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 .. Atreides weirding module (sonic weapon) rather than the Bene Gesserit weirding way .. bug Navigators folding space physically rather than engines using the Holtzmann Effect .. Paul teleporting rain from Caladan to fall on Arrakis after defeating Feyd Harkonnen
Book readers knowing that Jessica is making half of the stuff up and going on intuition BCS there is no way of knowing how exactly the Missionary Protectiva evolved after it was planted.
FOR THE UNINITIATED: the hand signal is battle language, means “prepare for aggression”. Because A crysknife is like a mandate of pulling a gun, usually when drawn it has to taste blood before it is sheathed. Thats why Jessica alerted the guard.
@@ThinkPIONEERing "UNINITIATED" haha. For some reason this vid has no subs but every screening I saw (theatre and streaming) had subs and it explains fully what the sign language means. Nothing "uninitiated" about it. You're not providing new information, everybody who saw the movie knows. Even most who only saw clips. Don't think for once you know more, you don't. Captain fuckin obvious moron.
The fact that, as others have said, Jessica is essentially improvising, is made all the more incredible because of an omitted (or at least subtextual) fact from the books: the weapon is meant to kill her if she is not the One. Like a Gom Jabbar, the Fremen will not abide another occupier who is not the mother to the Lisan al-Ghaib, the Mahdī.
Even though it's left unsaid, the threat is very clear "The weapon is meant as a gift...if you're truly The One" ie. "I will kill you with this Crysknife if you don't say what I want to hear" also a very small detail but Jessica was forming the "o" sound so maybe she was trying to say "maker of death" before being interrupted by Mapes' wail, like in the book
I do miss Jessica reminding Mapes that the crysknife was sheathed unbloodied. Mapes offering her life. Jessica cutting just enough for blood. Mapes going back to Fremen woman. Blood scarce enough, with out spilling on the floor. ( I wrote this from memory, I don't think it's correct) It sets Mapes back from the awed seer of the prophecy, to a wise Fremen woman again. One of many character developing passages.
A lot of these scenes really just show how unstoppable the jihad was once it was set in motion. They waited so long for a messiah that the moment one showed up, the entire ranks of them fell mercilessly in line to start the holy war. The Bene Gesserit lit an unholy candle that unwittingly burned the house down for the Harkonnens. What was supposed to be a backup defense ended up exploding in their faces when things went horribly right for them.
@@jonothandoeser and set in motion the fall of an empire and the start of an unspeakable age of opression. Truly, men are not meant to act high and mighty.
@@TheNapster153 and why paul tried utterly everything to curb the near godly zeal up until he "died" and what was left of Paul couldnt control his body as muaddib acended and took control Paul himself? No that man would never in a million years subject the cosmos to a eternity of bloody slaughter willingly
Yes, Jessica is voicing a threat, but she is also speaking a truth. She knows that although Mapes is Freman, and a fighter, she would not stand a chance against Jessica. Truth voiced as a threat, is extremely powerful. It is all so skillfully acted by both Ladies!
She meant to say "a maker of death" because that's how the chakobsa word translates, but she only got about half that out before she fell in line with the prophecy and Mapes, well, pointed that out
Fascinating scene, but what truly evades me is what would happen if jessica uttered the entire phrase ‘maker of death’ ? Is it not really the translation of the chakobsa word?
@@bahagharingmatsing maybe the prophecy really is true... and she was meant to be stopped mid-sentence to allow the prophecy to come true... you think you made up the prophecy... when in reality that's what the prophecy wanted you to think lol
@@bahagharingmatsing It is more that "Maker" is the keyword, so the rest of it doesn't matter much. If she had said "Maker of Death" it would probably have partial validity, with still some doubts, so not completely wrong - since she gave the keyword correctly. But in this case, the Fremen lady thinks it is proven beyond all doubt, and that is why she screams.
@@chadoakley8505 I literally almodt didn't recognize Golda when watching because I'm so used to seeing her bedazzled with the period ensembles and the big wigs-
The way her voice cracks when she says "it won't be enough" is incredible. I can't think of a film with better casting than this one. Every role is perfect.
The only very slight complaint I have is that in Dune part 2 Chani is just a little too dour - even after he drinks the worm poison and come back to life; c'mon cut the guy some slack. :)
@JJ Email she knows the facts but she has no idea what exactly this woman wants her to do with the knife or what the best way to approach the situation is, she just tries her best
She also tells her guard to "get ready for violence" in case she mucks it up and says the wrong thing (which she almost does before Mapes cuts her off).
This scene is so underrated. The way Jessice warns to her guards with sign language is just astonishing. It just shows how Atreides family and guards well trained. Rebecca Ferguson is just perfect fit for the Jessica's role. Every fucking scene of this movie is masterpiece.
I really, really thank Denis Villeneuve, and the actors of this scene for bringing such authenticity to the screen of Herbert's work. I read Dune as a teen, when it first appeared in 1965, and have re-read it often since. OH! what a pleasure to finally see a good rendition of it on film...something I thought I never would. And now...PART II coming!
@@RichardBoyle-m2l Bruh its in rough shape, but ty its just like my original hardcover of The Saint, Saint overboard. Its beat but I love reading them. I just found an original 1st printing of Carl Sagan Cosmos.
The thing about the Crysknife, it's relationship with the Fremen and Arrakis, the source of the spice, is very interesting. In the real world, the Kris is a dagger which is the traditional preferred weapon of the Malays (and Malay-associated peoples), who inhabit Nusantara (Maritime Southeast Asia). Among the things which this area is famous for is spice. Spice was one of the reasons Europeans (English , Dutch, Portuguese) came to this area and colonized it. So you can see the parallels between the Dune lore and real colonial history.
The keris is also considered sacred like how the fremen consider the crysknife sacred. We are still taught that we must show respect to it because it is belived that a spirit resides inside the blade that makes the user strong, but can make him go crazy. Generally though people here don't fight with keris, because it is actually physically quite fragile and also the spirit inside may become bloodthristy.
That would be the Indonesians in majority, not really Malay. But they do share several cultures since they're neighbors. Also because Nusantara basically means "Outside Java", the main island of Indonesian government.
When the music sets in @1:09 , that haunting tone crescendo at her wailing. It's so powerful and frightening. As she said "when you live with prophecy for so long, the moment of revelation overwhelms you". Such dialogue. Imagine living with a prophecy and then seeing it happen right in front of your eyes. Dune is a sight to behold, we are seeing the next trilogy masterpiece.
I love, in this movie, that the people who are religiously fanatical, like Mapes and Jamis, have these blood-curdling vocalizations. Just kind of lights it in your bones, how absolutely fanatical they are about their religious beliefs. Their acting blew me away.
To me the books are about the dangers of indoctrination and total fanaticism. The first time I saw the scene her whale chilled me to the bone. That a secret organization has managed to enslave so many cultures with dogmatic beliefs only to use them as tools is a truly chilling thought and a clear warning.
@@pinchevulpesI can't express how awesome the vibe is of this movie. It feels so awe inspiring and dream-like while Part Two feels like a wild ride towards inevitable conflict. I love the fact that both movies feel completely different from one another. Villeneuve really nailed it. His best work yet.
I like how the actress of Shadout Mapes wailed when Jesica guessed by luck the right word. Very well acted, it added extra weight to the scene. Kudos to the director of the scene, whoever came with the idea and the actress herself. Btw that scene is full of details that make sense only to people familiar with the lore that didn't have to be there but they put them there anyway
Just a note: Jessica did NOT "guess by luck." She is a Bene Gesserit sister and the very prophecies Mapes is relying on were implanted in Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit missionaries. What Jessica is doing is utilizing her knowledge of those prophecies to her and her family's advantage in order to make an alliance with the Fremen.
Jessia is using all of her training, all of her knowledge of the Missionaria Protectiva, and all of the information Shadout Mapes has given her, and implied, in language, and what is said and not said ... signs, signals, body language, .... not luck ... but a mixture of knowledge and knowing instinctively when to stop ...
That was no guess by Jessica! That was thousands of years of "seeding" the myth by the Missionaria Protectiva to pave the way for a bene gesserit in time of peril to keep them safe. I can seed by reading the comment that a great many have read the novels by Mr. Herbert, many times, as I have. Well done! I am a Dune acolyte. This film exceeded all of my expectations! I got goose bumps...
The most badass scene in this entire film. When Jessica says 'It won't be enough", you finally get just a bare hint of how formidable she is in combat. And then she so quickly shifts the battleground to the mythical to win support. It's such an intimate little scene but by far the most pivotal of the entire film.
this scene is SO HEAVY, I love the way she wails when Jessica understands the meaning. It such a great detail that speaks to the fact that this women spent a lifetime in this belief system not just some garden-variety "yea youre the chosen one, I'll serve you"
@@googhan Combination of religious ecstasy, and grief. Her entire religion leads to Jessica and Paul; As someone else said it would be like a catholic meeting the Virgin Mary. Elation at the realization of prophecy right before your eyes, and grief for those who never got to see the day, etc.
I know some people are confused as to why the lady breaks down and cried for a moment, consider her family only and those that came before suffered greatly at the hands of the Harkonnens and all throughout her life the only glimmer of hope that kept her and the other dwellers of Arrakis both fremen and non going forward was the promise of the Mother and the son to break them from their bonds to her this is like meeting an angel or a messianic figure she rejoices in knowing truly for herself that the prophecy is true. Very interesting seeing how the Benne Gesserit really made these people believe in their fabrications that even a person who probably lost faith in the prophecy long ago has renewed belief.
Agreed, you got a guy who loves the story creating a masterpiece, some cherished lines have to go. There's a precedent, somebody wake me when they do a Lord of the Rings trilogy that has Tom Bombadil in it.
Maybe new watchers, not avid readers will watch this movie and having a bloodied blade as a gift would confuse them. Also they're saving the important elements of the Freman for part 2.
@@00bean00 In the book Shadout cuts herself slightly before sheathing the knife. Her blood coagulates so fast that she barely bleeds. Jessica notes that this is an adaptation to desert life. It is also explained in the book that if the Knife is kept away from a body or exposed to dry air for too long it will decompose.
Jessica was about to say "Maker of death" (since it was a weapon) but stopped at Maker because of the reaction she got. Fremen call the sandworms Makers and crysknifes are ground out of worms' teeth. Great scene.
Glad someone recognises high quality film-making. So sick of these nostalgia freaks defending the hot trash 1984 versions and shitting all over the new movies with just worst takes.
I’ve really been looking forward to seeing how they did this particular exchange, I always felt like the original 84 movie scene was very overplayed, despite the actress for shadout Mapes being very passionate.
@@michaelbiri6676lol another nostalgia freak who hates anything new. The acting in 1984 is absolutely atrocious. This is a master-class by comparison 😂
"Do you know what this is?" "It's a Crys-Knife." "Do you know its significance?" "It is a maker a... d.." "AIEEEEE!! The deep desert!! RIGHT!" "dthh..." "What?" "Maker of the deepth deserthhhh yep that's what I was gonna say yep..." "Well... ok so anyway, moment of revelation and all.... I've got some cleaning to do so uh... Yeah I gotta go..." *_awkward fist bump, Shadout Mapes walks out looking miffed_*
I love that about part 1 that there were many "slow scenes" like this one, with a lot of meaning, thought through dialog and story building, but without any fast-paced action. Part 2 took a different path.
You can see that Jessica was cut off when she answered the meaning of the crysknife In the books she was planning on saying it was a Maker of Death, but before she could finish the housekeeper already heard the keyword 'Maker'
@@gunargundarson1626 Its an idea that just sounds cool and many people have thought up on their own. Hell i made up something similar when i was younger. Not everything is "stolen"
I love everything about dune movie, and is currently reading the novel to really know the writer’s true intention when writing it. Still cant process how he wrote this in 1965, like the imagination is unreal. And it’s still such a fresh concept in 2021, and 2024. Human mind is amazing when used properly.
"Well, that's all very compelling, Ms. Mapes. But Stephanie over there has experience with Microsoft Office Suite and she didn't bring a knife to her job interview, so we're going with her."
gotta rewatch sober. I was so captivated by the essence and aura of the film that I dont even remember scenes all that well. everything was so....eerie. It felt like a horror film without jumpscares.. I dunno. hard to describe.
What are you doing watching Dune scenes on UA-cam, then? You're spoiling the experience. Also, Dune was marvelous in the cinema setting... you missed out.
In the book lady Jessica was about to say “maker of death”, but Mapes interrupts her assuming that she’s about to say “maker of the deep desert” and Jessica just roles with it. Although it’s subtle, I like that Rebecca Ferguson showed that she was cut off with “the maker o-” in her acting
That's the thing about Fate...... It honestly was going to end this way no matter what. Even though the Bene Gesserit had inserted the mythos into Fremen culture, this was an inevitability, sewn into the fabric of time and destiny.
A very intense scene. Although Shadat Mapes has a very small role in the movie it is very memorable just as Linda Hunts portrayal of Shadat Mapes was in the 1984 version of Dune.
Jessica was not sure of the meaning of the knife, like it's shown in this scene. She sort of stumbled into the words from what she knew, and Mapes thought she was the one from the prophesy. The "thinking side" which is written in the book is harder to show on film. Jessica also had to make a little cut on the woman to draw blood using the knife, as custom was it can't be sheathed without drawing blood. If I remember right.
This scene is much more dramatic in the book. Jessica reminds the Shadout Mapes that if a crysknife is drawn, it must be blooded prior to resheathing. It gets blooded.
In the book, anyone uninitiated who sees the Krysknife has to die, so that guard shouldn't have been there, maybe (it's just Jessica and Mapes in that scene, in the book)
My only gripe with this scene is that Jessica didn’t say “…and the means of my destruction, should I prove otherwise.” Would have fit perfectly into the scene and more thoroughly established the stakes. That, and it’s just an awesome line.
like i say the ground work had been done to make sure the whoever it was gonna be there because the spacing guild seen it and the bene gesserit used wisdom to make sure it worked and stuck but the kid haderach could have been anyone but no matter what as written it will happen and paul knew that and thats why he rebelled and didnt become the idiot they wanted
The once single mistake Denis Villeneuve made (or was forced to make) the crysknife should never ever be re-sheathed unblooded ... In the books Jessica used all of her training to work this out, on the fly, and nearly made a mistake, the knife was a gift, or the gift of death to an imposter ... but this interaction sealed the utter loyalty of Shadout Mapes and so all the fremen
In the book Mapes is already the housekeeper which explains how she was able to keep the crysknife hidden until she met Jessica. The movie takes the rather implausible step of the candidates not being screened thoroughly for weapons before the meeting.
@@FuaConsternation that’s kinda the point tho, in the book Hawat and Jessica both suspect each other of being the traitor because Hawat fucked up a few times when they first got to Arrakis and they have a big argument about it that makes Hawat suspect Jessica
BUT. It can also show what formidable warriors Fremen are. Also a Crysknife might not be detected by traditional scanners. Also it could have been done as a gesture of good will, remember that the Atreides were trying to form a bond with the Fremen and it might also have been arrogance and overconfindence in Jessica's intuition and the Atreides training.
if they went with that the movie would have 30 mins of extra writing- every movie from a book is a bargain- bargain between details and time and this was probably the best way to present the whole scene while keeping the flow and both terrifying and exciting the audience
why do you think there is no machines? the book starts off with the Butlerian Jihad where all machine or anything mechanical with any ability to perform calculations was destroyed and outlawed with a death penalty pretty much The whole point that there is no machine and all are just basically humans is in order to focus on the human aspects, the whole series is just politics and human nature, religion and relationships being explored but in a sci fi universe
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Imagine what you could do with a sharpened bit from a t-bone? People look for tech. Firearms. Metal. A sharpened bit of compact bone was enough to take down mammoths and the great bison of the ice age.
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Jessica cut Mapes in the book to not sheath it unbloodied. She noticed the ultra fast coagulation of the blood on Mape’s breast. Evolution preserving body moisture.
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“When you have lived with prophecy for so long, the moment of revelation is a shock.”
I love this line and I love how the actress portrayed the moment.
It was a prophecy orgasm.
Bruh she straight up jizzed in front of her new boss.
Golda is wonderful
On March 3rd 1971, at 010:35 hours.
While laying on a stretcher covered in mud & blood, I had such a revelation.
It was instantaneous and profound beyond human beliefs. I can fully appreciate her comment.
I *love* that the actress actually made it look like she was going to continue saying "Maker of Death" and stopped herself when Mapes wailed, that's such fantastic detail from the books, that Jessica actually gets through this by mistake.
@JJ Email Jessica was going to say "Maker of Death", which was part of the myth that the Missionairia Protectiva left behind, but Mapes's reaction made her stop at "Maker".
"“Eighe-e-e-e-e-e!” Mapes wailed. It was a sound of both grief and elation. She trembled so hard the knife blade sent glittering shards of reflection shooting around the room.
Jessica waited, poised. She had intended to say the knife was a maker of death and then add the ancient word, but every sense warned her now, all the deep training of alertness that exposed meaning in the most casual muscle twitch.
The key word was... maker.
Maker? Maker.
Still, Mapes held the knife as though ready to use it.
Jessica said: “Did you think that I, knowing the mysteries of the Great Mother, would not know the Maker?”
@JJ Email If you look carefully, she begins to mouth out "of" around 1:30 but stops. I didn't even realize they did that until argophontes pointed it out. That's rad!
the subtitle says
It's a maker..
(implying incomplete phrase)
@JJ Email lmao you got fucking schooled
@JJ Email Trying so hard to look like a fanboy, you only proved yourself to be a fool.
To Mapes, meeting Jessica is exactly like a Catholic meeting the Virgin Mary in person.
Mary, Mother of Jesus
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Mother_of_Jesus
More like a saint than Mary.
Nope, more like a Mary, Paul is the Messiah and Jessica is the mother@@bigredmed
@@bigredmed Mary is a Saint
and equally as fictional
01:03 The reason why Lady Jessica went from composed to worried in just seconds is because of the crysknife. She was not expecting THAT weapon:
- It proves that Shadout Mapes is really a fremen, so it means she could be a formidable warrior.
- A crysknife was not allowed to be seen by those considered to be outsiders by the tribe. It's literally a dead sentence.
- If it was drawn, it could not be resheathed until it had drawn blood.
This is why Jessica alerted the guard. She was not sure about the outcome of this situation.
Also I believe, due to her uncertainty of how the lady would react to her answer
Yup, great points. Only thing which might not apply here is the last: I think it's no longer film canon that the Fremen believe that "once drawn, a crys-knife may not be sheathed until it has tasted blood" (or thereabouts, paraphrasing from the books); there were numerous times where people draw it and then sheathe it without blooding it in the film.
One of the few errors in the film. That blade should never have been re-sheathed without drawing blood.
or she was just worried a warrior had a weapon and she did not.
All excellent observations, but there was another battle that was going on here which is more evident in the books, but really hard to convey on film. The Shadout Mapes was there not just to test Jessica for her part in the prophecy but kill her if she failed (the Fremen don't do things in half-measures). Jessica knew that if she got any part of the expected prophecy that Mapes understood wrong, there would be violence.
Waited my entire life to see a director who loved the book bring this vision to life, was extremely happy to see scenes like this. Still get goosebumps.
This scene was filmed in the 1984 David Lynch version as well but cut from the theatrical release. In that version Lady Jessica tells Shadout Mapes (Linda Hunt) that she has "...sheathed the blade unbloodied." So, Shadout pulls Jessica's hand and lets the blade cut her chest. It's kind of erotic.
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@@GordonTechno Which is much closer to the book.
Meanwhile the miniseries version...absolutely lazy "They Just Didn't Care" adaptation.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
.. but even the SciFi miniseries is "closer to the book" than the butchery of the '84 adaptation
@@kazoosc Name one example.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
.. Atreides weirding module (sonic weapon) rather than the Bene Gesserit weirding way
.. bug Navigators folding space physically rather than engines using the Holtzmann Effect
.. Paul teleporting rain from Caladan to fall on Arrakis after defeating Feyd Harkonnen
Book readers knowing that Jessica is making half of the stuff up and going on intuition BCS there is no way of knowing how exactly the Missionary Protectiva evolved after it was planted.
making stuff up and going by intuition is after all a good 30% of the bene Gesserit technique
And Shaddup Mapes errored sheathing the blade unbloodied…
@@nohphd Which is a pretty massive omission frankly.
@@goochipoochie it's not, you're just unable to accept a movie that doesn't spoon-feed everything
@@goochipoochie yeah...for Marvel-fan noobs 😂😂😂
The casting and acting of Mapes was perfect! The realization of your faith all unfolding right in front of your eyes.
well, she is a queen....
FOR THE UNINITIATED: the hand signal is battle language, means “prepare for aggression”. Because A crysknife is like a mandate of pulling a gun, usually when drawn it has to taste blood before it is sheathed. Thats why Jessica alerted the guard.
I thought the Crysknife must always be bloodied before placed back in its sheath. It has been many years since I have read the books.
@@2009grifin1 thats what i said i think
@@2009grifin1 Bingo, just like when you draw a gun, you have to be ready to use it. Brandishing a weapon is a criminal offense in the US
@@2009grifin1confused as to why Denis left this detail out from this scene
@@ThinkPIONEERing "UNINITIATED" haha. For some reason this vid has no subs but every screening I saw (theatre and streaming) had subs and it explains fully what the sign language means. Nothing "uninitiated" about it. You're not providing new information, everybody who saw the movie knows. Even most who only saw clips. Don't think for once you know more, you don't. Captain fuckin obvious moron.
The fact that, as others have said, Jessica is essentially improvising, is made all the more incredible because of an omitted (or at least subtextual) fact from the books: the weapon is meant to kill her if she is not the One. Like a Gom Jabbar, the Fremen will not abide another occupier who is not the mother to the Lisan al-Ghaib, the Mahdī.
Even though it's left unsaid, the threat is very clear "The weapon is meant as a gift...if you're truly The One" ie. "I will kill you with this Crysknife if you don't say what I want to hear" also a very small detail but Jessica was forming the "o" sound so maybe she was trying to say "maker of death" before being interrupted by Mapes' wail, like in the book
Got chills during this scene and a lot others. But particularly when she said "The tooth of Shai'Hulud". Love it.
Remember the tooth!
@@DarthGeddy YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TOOTH!
The ecstasy of naming their god was well expressed. Great acting.
I do miss Jessica reminding Mapes that the crysknife was sheathed unbloodied. Mapes offering her life. Jessica cutting just enough for blood. Mapes going back to Fremen woman. Blood scarce enough, with out spilling on the floor. ( I wrote this from memory, I don't think it's correct)
It sets Mapes back from the awed seer of the prophecy, to a wise Fremen woman again. One of many character developing passages.
I felt that too, that moment she says it lands hard.
A lot of these scenes really just show how unstoppable the jihad was once it was set in motion. They waited so long for a messiah that the moment one showed up, the entire ranks of them fell mercilessly in line to start the holy war. The Bene Gesserit lit an unholy candle that unwittingly burned the house down for the Harkonnens. What was supposed to be a backup defense ended up exploding in their faces when things went horribly right for them.
It also nearly burned the house down for the Bene Gesserit and subjugated them for many centuries.
@@jonothandoeser and set in motion the fall of an empire and the start of an unspeakable age of opression.
Truly, men are not meant to act high and mighty.
Love how you said everything went horribly right lol. Everyone has a plan until Maudib tries some spice
@@TheNapster153 and why paul tried utterly everything to curb the near godly zeal up until he "died" and what was left of Paul couldnt control his body as muaddib acended and took control
Paul himself? No that man would never in a million years subject the cosmos to a eternity of bloody slaughter willingly
wrong. out of many futures Paul saw, the Jihad was the only one he could walk as he was afraid to walk the Golden Path and the others were far worse
"It won't be enough"
Learning how to deliver threats believably is a skill.
Yes, Jessica is voicing a threat, but she is also speaking a truth. She knows that although Mapes is Freman, and a fighter, she would not stand a chance against Jessica. Truth voiced as a threat, is extremely powerful. It is all so skillfully acted by both Ladies!
She meant to say "a maker of death" because that's how the chakobsa word translates, but she only got about half that out before she fell in line with the prophecy and Mapes, well, pointed that out
Fascinating scene, but what truly evades me is what would happen if jessica uttered the entire phrase ‘maker of death’ ? Is it not really the translation of the chakobsa word?
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maybe the prophecy really is true... and she was meant to be stopped mid-sentence to allow the prophecy to come true...
you think you made up the prophecy... when in reality that's what the prophecy wanted you to think lol
@@bahagharingmatsing It is more that "Maker" is the keyword, so the rest of it doesn't matter much. If she had said "Maker of Death" it would probably have partial validity, with still some doubts, so not completely wrong - since she gave the keyword correctly. But in this case, the Fremen lady thinks it is proven beyond all doubt, and that is why she screams.
@@abyrupusthank you!
Jessica never even *looks* at the knife. She got her eyes on Mapes the whole time. Never lets her guard down.
Shout out to Mapes and the incredible acting.
Shadout to mapes
I see what you did there.
She makes a good queen...
@@chadoakley8505 I literally almodt didn't recognize Golda when watching because I'm so used to seeing her bedazzled with the period ensembles and the big wigs-
The way her voice cracks when she says "it won't be enough" is incredible. I can't think of a film with better casting than this one. Every role is perfect.
Dune Part Two is a better cast. Also, the holdovers from Part One get to spread their wings. But still, your point is well taken.
The only very slight complaint I have is that in Dune part 2 Chani is just a little too dour - even after he drinks the worm poison and come back to life; c'mon cut the guy some slack. :)
Jessica accidently guessed partially. Mapes cut her off and filled in the rest. Jessica 'knew' what it was, but didn't know what it really is.
@JJ Email she knows the facts but she has no idea what exactly this woman wants her to do with the knife or what the best way to approach the situation is, she just tries her best
She also tells her guard to "get ready for violence" in case she mucks it up and says the wrong thing (which she almost does before Mapes cuts her off).
@JJ Email It’s actually true, Jessica was going to say “maker of death” but was interrupted by Mapes when she heard her say “maker”
This scene is so underrated. The way Jessice warns to her guards with sign language is just astonishing. It just shows how Atreides family and guards well trained. Rebecca Ferguson is just perfect fit for the Jessica's role. Every fucking scene of this movie is masterpiece.
She has my heart for her performance in this movie.
I still don't see why they made her a brunette though, one of Jessica's defining features is her coppery hair.
It's a special sign language only the atreides know and used for battle and situations like this to covertly give instructions.
@@orirune3079 in the movie harkonnen are bald.
I really, really thank Denis Villeneuve, and the actors of this scene for bringing such authenticity to the screen of Herbert's work. I read Dune as a teen, when it first appeared in 1965, and have re-read it often since. OH! what a pleasure to finally see a good rendition of it on film...something I thought I never would. And now...PART II coming!
I still have the paperback.
@@dagger6467 I envy you!!! If I still had mine, I would keep it right next to my regular Bible...not a joke.
@@RichardBoyle-m2l Bruh its in rough shape, but ty its just like my original hardcover of The Saint, Saint overboard. Its beat but I love reading them. I just found an original 1st printing of Carl Sagan Cosmos.
There's been 3 good renditions of it on film.
The thing about the Crysknife, it's relationship with the Fremen and Arrakis, the source of the spice, is very interesting. In the real world, the Kris is a dagger which is the traditional preferred weapon of the Malays (and Malay-associated peoples), who inhabit Nusantara (Maritime Southeast Asia). Among the things which this area is famous for is spice. Spice was one of the reasons Europeans (English , Dutch, Portuguese) came to this area and colonized it.
So you can see the parallels between the Dune lore and real colonial history.
Great observation!
who's to say Frank Hulbert wasn't aware of this during his research for Dune in 1959
The keris is also considered sacred like how the fremen consider the crysknife sacred. We are still taught that we must show respect to it because it is belived that a spirit resides inside the blade that makes the user strong, but can make him go crazy.
Generally though people here don't fight with keris, because it is actually physically quite fragile and also the spirit inside may become bloodthristy.
Also love the very heavy Islamic theme of the Fremen
That would be the Indonesians in majority, not really Malay. But they do share several cultures since they're neighbors.
Also because Nusantara basically means "Outside Java", the main island of Indonesian government.
When the music sets in @1:09 , that haunting tone crescendo at her wailing. It's so powerful and frightening.
As she said "when you live with prophecy for so long, the moment of revelation overwhelms you". Such dialogue.
Imagine living with a prophecy and then seeing it happen right in front of your eyes. Dune is a sight to behold, we are seeing the next trilogy masterpiece.
Her scream made me laugh the first time but I see your point😂👍
@@harleyb7880 people like you don't get it.
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Yeah I get it... It's a big moment I'm just saying it was funny first time.
@@_Cato_ I found the snob.
@@Psyrus88 Yep
I love, in this movie, that the people who are religiously fanatical, like Mapes and Jamis, have these blood-curdling vocalizations. Just kind of lights it in your bones, how absolutely fanatical they are about their religious beliefs. Their acting blew me away.
To me the books are about the dangers of indoctrination and total fanaticism. The first time I saw the scene her whale chilled me to the bone. That a secret organization has managed to enslave so many cultures with dogmatic beliefs only to use them as tools is a truly chilling thought and a clear warning.
Those vocalizations are so primal. No hidden layers, no deception, no resistance - just pure spiritual energy.
Speaking of religion, 2:04 is that the Orange Catholic Bible?
You can hear "Bene Gesserit" and "Kwisatz Haderach" in the background music/prayer.
nice
Arrakis, and Shai Hulud are also mentioned
Totally awesome how it’s delivered as an almost Islamic inspired prayer. Adds a touch of grandiosity to the bigger picture yet to unfold.
@@pinchevulpesI can't express how awesome the vibe is of this movie. It feels so awe inspiring and dream-like while Part Two feels like a wild ride towards inevitable conflict. I love the fact that both movies feel completely different from one another. Villeneuve really nailed it. His best work yet.
Name the song?
I like how the actress of Shadout Mapes wailed when Jesica guessed by luck the right word. Very well acted, it added extra weight to the scene. Kudos to the director of the scene, whoever came with the idea and the actress herself. Btw that scene is full of details that make sense only to people familiar with the lore that didn't have to be there but they put them there anyway
Great catch, loved this scene!
Just a note: Jessica did NOT "guess by luck." She is a Bene Gesserit sister and the very prophecies Mapes is relying on were implanted in Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit missionaries. What Jessica is doing is utilizing her knowledge of those prophecies to her and her family's advantage in order to make an alliance with the Fremen.
Jessia is using all of her training, all of her knowledge of the Missionaria Protectiva, and all of the information Shadout Mapes has given her, and implied, in language, and what is said and not said ... signs, signals, body language, .... not luck ... but a mixture of knowledge and knowing instinctively when to stop ...
That was no guess by Jessica! That was thousands of years of "seeding" the myth by the Missionaria Protectiva to pave the way for a bene gesserit in time of peril to keep them safe. I can seed by reading the comment that a great many have read the novels by Mr. Herbert, many times, as I have. Well done! I am a Dune acolyte. This film exceeded all of my expectations! I got goose bumps...
0.53
I must warn you, whatever you are hiding?
It won’t be enough.
Great line.
The most badass scene in this entire film. When Jessica says 'It won't be enough", you finally get just a bare hint of how formidable she is in combat. And then she so quickly shifts the battleground to the mythical to win support. It's such an intimate little scene but by far the most pivotal of the entire film.
Yah and back on Caladan when the Reverend mother tells Paul that with Jessica on the other side of that door, "None will get past".
I think this is the best piece of worldbuilding in any sci fi story told so efficiently
this scene is SO HEAVY, I love the way she wails when Jessica understands the meaning. It such a great detail that speaks to the fact that this women spent a lifetime in this belief system not just some garden-variety "yea youre the chosen one, I'll serve you"
Ahhh that wail is visceral. Still having goosebumps.
Come back to this after seeing part two and you really see this scene for what it is.
2:05 you can hear the chant talking about the Bene Gesserit and Arrakis.
That guard represented my feelings on screen.
You know what, this scene is masterful. It's so in spirit with the book that It's honestly jaw-dropping we even got this.
The actress for Mapes did a stunning job, amazing acting.
I love that they got the Religious themes of the books. The other adaptations gloss over it.
*chefs kiss*
Part 2 of this film is one of the few things that's keeping me going man.
nah, I was just thinking the same 😂😂 November 2023, right??
@@dragon55855 yeah, it was initially October but got pushed up.
Almost here man
Ya life has been kicking me in the a$$ but we’re Almost there…march 1st
If you can, hold on
If you can, hold on
Hold on
I'm up and down with this movie but when Mapes screamed out like that, you know Herbert creamed his grave.
why did she scream like that?
@@googhan Combination of religious ecstasy, and grief. Her entire religion leads to Jessica and Paul; As someone else said it would be like a catholic meeting the Virgin Mary. Elation at the realization of prophecy right before your eyes, and grief for those who never got to see the day, etc.
I know some people are confused as to why the lady breaks down and cried for a moment, consider her family only and those that came before suffered greatly at the hands of the Harkonnens and all throughout her life the only glimmer of hope that kept her and the other dwellers of Arrakis both fremen and non going forward was the promise of the Mother and the son to break them from their bonds to her this is like meeting an angel or a messianic figure she rejoices in knowing truly for herself that the prophecy is true. Very interesting seeing how the Benne Gesserit really made these people believe in their fabrications that even a person who probably lost faith in the prophecy long ago has renewed belief.
I too miss the would you sheath it unbloodied, but I can forgive that. For me, it's a beautifully magnificent scene.
Edit: spelling
Agreed, you got a guy who loves the story creating a masterpiece, some cherished lines have to go. There's a precedent, somebody wake me when they do a Lord of the Rings trilogy that has Tom Bombadil in it.
Maybe new watchers, not avid readers will watch this movie and having a bloodied blade as a gift would confuse them.
Also they're saving the important elements of the Freman for part 2.
They could have filmed it but later cut it out during the montage due to timing.
Or I may have mixed it up.
How does it go in original book?
@@00bean00 In the book Shadout cuts herself slightly before sheathing the knife. Her blood coagulates so fast that she barely bleeds. Jessica notes that this is an adaptation to desert life. It is also explained in the book that if the Knife is kept away from a body or exposed to dry air for too long it will decompose.
Jessica was about to say "Maker of death" (since it was a weapon) but stopped at Maker because of the reaction she got. Fremen call the sandworms Makers and crysknifes are ground out of worms' teeth. Great scene.
This means Dune passes the Bechdel test
This scene is just played masterfully. All the details, the music, the acting.
Glad someone recognises high quality film-making. So sick of these nostalgia freaks defending the hot trash 1984 versions and shitting all over the new movies with just worst takes.
I’ve really been looking forward to seeing how they did this particular exchange, I always felt like the original 84 movie scene was very overplayed, despite the actress for shadout Mapes being very passionate.
It was far more believable, This Scene has no Power, it feels like a Paper Storyline.
@@michaelbiri6676lol another nostalgia freak who hates anything new. The acting in 1984 is absolutely atrocious. This is a master-class by comparison 😂
"Do you know what this is?"
"It's a Crys-Knife."
"Do you know its significance?"
"It is a maker a... d.."
"AIEEEEE!! The deep desert!! RIGHT!"
"dthh..."
"What?"
"Maker of the deepth deserthhhh yep that's what I was gonna say yep..."
"Well... ok so anyway, moment of revelation and all.... I've got some cleaning to do so uh... Yeah I gotta go..."
*_awkward fist bump, Shadout Mapes walks out looking miffed_*
I love that about part 1 that there were many "slow scenes" like this one, with a lot of meaning, thought through dialog and story building, but without any fast-paced action. Part 2 took a different path.
part 1 was better tbh
Oh my, the emotion is palpable.
"I like it a lot" is much more descriptive...lol
You can see that Jessica was cut off when she answered the meaning of the crysknife
In the books she was planning on saying it was a Maker of Death, but before she could finish the housekeeper already heard the keyword 'Maker'
Id give that actress a best supporting award just for that scene.
One small error. One can not re-shealth a Crys Knife until it has drawn blood. Other than that very good scene.
Clearly stolen from Napalese tradition, however you already knew that.
Writing is just really taking real world examples and cranking them to 100.
@@gunargundarson1626 Its an idea that just sounds cool and many people have thought up on their own. Hell i made up something similar when i was younger. Not everything is "stolen"
Fortunately, the audience completely went past thay detail
Agreed. I really didn't like how they excluded it from this version. They do show that custom happening later in the movie though.
Optional detail, that would ruin movie allowance rating.
My God. It is so rare that I can come to a comments' section, and be completely blown away by the intelligence of the authors. Thank you all SO much!
I love everything about dune movie, and is currently reading the novel to really know the writer’s true intention when writing it. Still cant process how he wrote this in 1965, like the imagination is unreal. And it’s still such a fresh concept in 2021, and 2024. Human mind is amazing when used properly.
Powerful - and the music is perfect.
Do you know the song? 🫂
"Well, that's all very compelling, Ms. Mapes. But Stephanie over there has experience with Microsoft Office Suite and she didn't bring a knife to her job interview, so we're going with her."
gotta rewatch sober. I was so captivated by the essence and aura of the film that I dont even remember scenes all that well. everything was so....eerie. It felt like a horror film without jumpscares.. I dunno. hard to describe.
That's exactly what dune is. Tension and seeping terror from the beginning
@@RazorO2Productions well said.
Nicely said. It has a real mystical quality to it too.
@@JayzVeez it does. it gives me the same feelings I got watching the green knight. slight dread & mysticism. love it.
"That's not a knife. THIS is a knife!" Oh, soz, wrong film....
Sorrows! Prayers!
I was recently reading this part and I gasped when I saw how well portrayed this scene was. 💯 👌🏻
Is it wrong to say I have being holding off seeing Dune till part 2 comes out so I can watch them together
My god, you're stronger than any of us
What are you doing watching Dune scenes on UA-cam, then? You're spoiling the experience. Also, Dune was marvelous in the cinema setting... you missed out.
It’s the actress who portrays the Queen in Bridgerton!
In the book lady Jessica was about to say “maker of death”, but Mapes interrupts her assuming that she’s about to say “maker of the deep desert” and Jessica just roles with it.
Although it’s subtle, I like that Rebecca Ferguson showed that she was cut off with “the maker o-” in her acting
I love the song that comes up. Too bad it's not on the soundtrack.
Its composed by Theo Green, the sound supervisor. Search for his UA-cam Account, he uploaded it in full length.
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@@racheloker2628THANKY YOU!!!
Queen Charlotte after a season when there is no diamond to choose from.
She sheathed the blade without drawing blood. That's sacrilege!
Perhaps it's not necessary when passing it to someone else
@@IwinMahWay no you must blood the blade no matter what.
I just gave me chill the very subtle hand sign telling the guards to be ready for violence
“It’s a maker-“ Mapes screams in joy. If only Mapes knew what Jessica was really going to say, this would’ve turned out VERY differently.
That's the thing about Fate...... It honestly was going to end this way no matter what. Even though the Bene Gesserit had inserted the mythos into Fremen culture, this was an inevitability, sewn into the fabric of time and destiny.
A very intense scene. Although Shadat Mapes has a very small role in the movie it is very memorable just as Linda Hunts portrayal of Shadat Mapes was in the 1984 version of Dune.
Lady Jessica was testing the Shadeout Mapes. Little did she know which of the two was testing to see if a prophecy was being fulfilled.
Jessica was not sure of the meaning of the knife, like it's shown in this scene. She sort of stumbled into the words from what she knew, and Mapes thought she was the one from the prophesy. The "thinking side" which is written in the book is harder to show on film. Jessica also had to make a little cut on the woman to draw blood using the knife, as custom was it can't be sheathed without drawing blood. If I remember right.
love the auto generated subtitles...."Its a Crisp Knife!"
Ikr it’s so hilarious
0:20
“What is your name?”
“Shout out Mapes, my lady.”
“Ok. MAPES!!!!!”
This scene is much more dramatic in the book. Jessica reminds the Shadout Mapes that if a crysknife is drawn, it must be blooded prior to resheathing. It gets blooded.
I've never read the book, but this movie was really good, and it's always cool to see when fans of a book are impressed by the movie adaptation
This is a Brilliant movie, I just wish more would view it, it is Deserving of Best Picture 📸
When she says "Tooth of Shai Halud" all I can think of is a sandworm with a goofy toothless smile.
Blessed is the maker and his water
"Who hired Yoko Ono?! "
That woman’s shriek is chilling
From what i have seen of this rendition of Dune, this scene sticks out as the best! So powerful !!
Now that I'm reading the book, I'm amazed how many of these little exchanges are included in the movie. The movie is incredibly faithful to the book.
In the book, anyone uninitiated who sees the Krysknife has to die, so that guard shouldn't have been there, maybe (it's just Jessica and Mapes in that scene, in the book)
Can’t wait for the 3 hour long director’s cut.
Holy crap this scene evokes almost uncontrollable emotion in me.
Anyone else get overcome by emotion here?
My only gripe with this scene is that Jessica didn’t say “…and the means of my destruction, should I prove otherwise.” Would have fit perfectly into the scene and more thoroughly established the stakes. That, and it’s just an awesome line.
I still get Goosbumbs every time
like i say the ground work had been done to make sure the whoever it was gonna be there because the spacing guild seen it and the bene gesserit used wisdom to make sure it worked and stuck but the kid haderach could have been anyone but no matter what as written it will happen and paul knew that and thats why he rebelled and didnt become the idiot they wanted
Kwisatz Haderach.
Utterly brilliant!!!!!!!
Still giving me goosebumps!!!!!
The once single mistake Denis Villeneuve made (or was forced to make) the crysknife should never ever be re-sheathed unblooded ...
In the books Jessica used all of her training to work this out, on the fly, and nearly made a mistake, the knife was a gift, or the gift of death to an imposter ... but this interaction sealed the utter loyalty of Shadout Mapes and so all the fremen
Man, you gotta love how they did the subtle hand signal language. Denis really did the books justice.
Shout to the mvp that got that tooth from a sandworm
In the book Mapes is already the housekeeper which explains how she was able to keep the crysknife hidden until she met Jessica. The movie takes the rather implausible step of the candidates not being screened thoroughly for weapons before the meeting.
and then the assassin gets through to the son, almost. kind of makes the mentat look incompetent
@@FuaConsternation that’s kinda the point tho, in the book Hawat and Jessica both suspect each other of being the traitor because Hawat fucked up a few times when they first got to Arrakis and they have a big argument about it that makes Hawat suspect Jessica
BUT. It can also show what formidable warriors Fremen are. Also a Crysknife might not be detected by traditional scanners. Also it could have been done as a gesture of good will, remember that the Atreides were trying to form a bond with the Fremen and it might also have been arrogance and overconfindence in Jessica's intuition and the Atreides training.
@@knightmareco Most likely answer is that the director wanted Hawat's exposition of the situation for the benefit of the audience.
if they went with that the movie would have 30 mins of extra writing- every movie from a book is a bargain- bargain between details and time and this was probably the best way to present the whole scene while keeping the flow and both terrifying and exciting the audience
It seems to me, instead of sci-fi, Dune's creator and admirers are more into mysteries, politics, history, and nature.
Definitely, very few times is the sci-fi element is even discussed, it's not even the focus of the books
why do you think there is no machines? the book starts off with the Butlerian Jihad where all machine or anything mechanical with any ability to perform calculations was destroyed and outlawed with a death penalty pretty much
The whole point that there is no machine and all are just basically humans is in order to focus on the human aspects, the whole series is just politics and human nature, religion and relationships being explored but in a sci fi universe
I typed in dune cringe knife scene and this scene popped up. This was exactly what I was looking for.
The books are amazing , this movie is amazing. I can not wait for pat 2.
"Hamare parivaar mein aane wala har member pahle se hi sab kuchh janta hai .... Fir chahe wo beta, ho bachha ho ,ya Bahu ho. "
Ye hi es family👪 ki khasiyat hai 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
1:31 is what I do when I'm about to be in trouble with my wife
Could someone shed some light and tell me what the name of the song is playing in the background? 🙏🏻
And how did she smuggle in that knife in the first place? I expect the Christmas bonuses will be slim this year in the Atreides bodyguard unit.
Imagine what you could do with a sharpened bit from a t-bone? People look for tech. Firearms. Metal. A sharpened bit of compact bone was enough to take down mammoths and the great bison of the ice age.
@@NorthForkFisherman "People look for tech." - I think you have missed a critical point of the Dune universe
Es un gran director. Juega con muchas referencias, no ya en el guion, sino en la forma de presentar las imágenes.
En las vestimentas parece haber referencias monásticas y mesiánicas que no se alejan demasiado del Cristianismo. Tampoco en el fuerte papel que la madre y el hijo juegan en toda la historia.
Jessica cut Mapes in the book to not sheath it unbloodied. She noticed the ultra fast coagulation of the blood on Mape’s breast. Evolution preserving body moisture.
Fuse to the powder keg is officially lit.