The Many Murders of Charles Daines
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- The Many Murders of Charles Daines
News of the Times Episode 309 | 1839
It is 1839 in a small village outside Norwich.
Charles Daines, 50 year old carpenter by trade, has a secret.
In the next village is the highly attractive widow, Ann Lloyd. Mrs Lloyd has many admirers, Charles Daines is just one of many.
But Charles is already married and his wife, Hannah, stubbornly refuses to die despite his best repeated efforts.
Mrs Lloyd has now openly stated that she is considering marrying Mr Hawke who has been persuasively pleading his case. Charles pleads with her to remain single for him. In desperation, Charles widens his target from only his wife with deathly results.
We take a look at the many murders of Charkes Daines in today’s episode of Wicked Wednesdays.
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Thank you. 😊
He didn't love his family. He was totally infatuated with the other woman. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you -🙏. oooh, can we say mid-life crisis? He would have known the impact of his actions beyond just his wife. We find it bizarre that he could possibly have thought he would get away with it. And the old "someone must have come in and randomly poisoned them" got about as much credence then as it would in this day. Interestingly, Friday's stories also have an element of "it could not be me, it must have been some random person who did it" aspects to it. Thank you again!🙏
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This one really grabbed my attention. Is there any record on Mrs. Daines? As I understand it, sentences for the husband usually meant much suffering for the family.
Sorry - we have no further records on Hannah daines. We would expect that her older son, who was gainfully employed, would have helped his mother. The younger son was nearing an age when he too would have started employment. We would expect that she would have continued to suffer the effects of having had aresenical poisoning - the impact could last a lifetime and could include partial paralysis.You are quite right - the family would certainly financially be hit in a devastating way. It could also have an impact on a family socially - like a taint. However, it was a small community and she was the victim. It sounded as if the village gathered around her in her hour of need - we would like to think they did so again.🤔Thank you - great question! thank you for your support!🙏
This was a horrific crime by a "despicable," married man who wanted to marry another woman. I couldn't comprehend how the jury acquitted Charles on the first charges of poisoning his young daughter and a woman who was a friend of the family whom both died. Thrilled that the second charge of attempted murder of his wife, Hannah eventually sealed his ultimate fate. Glad he decided to confess to his heinous crimes. Do you know whatever happened to his wife and two sons? Also, whatever happened to the woman he wanted to marry? Great investigation, presentation, backstory, illustrations, photos and videos, too. Take care 🦋
Thank you - glad you liked! 🤗We do know that the much desired Mrs Lloyd does indeed get married probably thanking her lucky stars that she did not end up as the next Mrs Daines. We do not know what happened to hannah Daines. She would have continued to feel the effects of rthe arsenic most likely - arseneic poisoning was not something that tended to just go away. We hope her older son who was gainfully employed would have helped his mother. We do not know what happend with the younger son. He bounced back faster than any of the others so hopefully he was not too badly physically impacted. As for the trial - yes, he got off the first time (agreed - unbelievably) because of the lack of motive! No one had seen him place poison in the water - his son had not yet come downstairs. With no motive, and a highly circumstantial case, the case was missing parts - as the prosecutor alluded to at the time. But, the motive in the attempted killing of his wife was clearly established and it was an easy case to prosecute. He was utterly contrite in prison (he had before been heavily involved in the methodist community), wishing he could take it all back. Murder is a rather difficult one to take all back...🤔Thank you as always!🙏
He obviously did it as he confessed in prison but had he not the evidence was very circumstantial even with his wife , they had only one motive as to why he’d do it but that’s very weak to convict someone especially now a days
Imagine he hadn’t done it and it was a neighbour with a grudge
@@claresmith9261 Great point! 🙏We think, however, it was also a different world. It was a small community in which everyone knew everyone - there would have been a limited pool of peopele possible. He had said repeatedly ot Mrs Lloyd that his wife was unwell and would be going any day now...circumstatial for sure, but also persuasive we think. Thank you! Love the thoughts and comments!🙌
@@newsofthetimes Yes, sorry I’m forgetting how small and intimate communities were then and easier to investigate , different times 👍🏻
@@claresmith9261 😉
I'm late, I'm late for a very important date!
Thanks very much. Enjoyed.
hope all is well with you and yours. *concerned*😟
@@newsofthetimes I thank you for your concern. Very kind. All is well here, no worries. Just had a super busy day and ran out of steam when I would normally watch your video. Was just too pooped.
@@zero_bs_tolerance8646 Glad all ok!👍Did not want to pry.
@@newsofthetimes I'm touched by your concern. Thank you.
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Thank you!🤗🙏
What a VILE man Charles Daines was!! Poor little mite Elizabeth must have had an agonising death!!
As for the unfortunate Mrs Mills, I don't think she was his intended victim!! She was in the wrong place at the wrong time!!
I can't believe he was acquitted of the murders of the two Elizabeths!! I AM GLAD he paid the ultimate price for attempting to murder poor Hannah!!
Thanks for sharing this with us, Robin!! 😍👏💕❤👍💞🤗
Your point was exactly why he got off with his daughter and Elizabeth M - what was the motive? 🤔He had been known as an "ok" father - he did not beat his children even if he was not overtly affectionate with them. In the cell, he broke down, confessed and was mightily contrite wishing he could take it all back. We think he was having a bit of a breakdown. It reminds us a bit of that old old film "Ten" with Dudley Moore becoming obsessed with Bo Derrick (?). Poor Hannah. She would most likely have felt the physical repurcussions for the rest of her life. Arsenic poisoning does not just go away. And what she must have felt that an attack on her took away her child and best friend. It would have been very diffiuclt to recover...😔
@@newsofthetimes Wow!! Poor Hannah!! I NEVER knew that arsenic poisoning had long term effects on the body, even if the victim survived!! I suppose, in those days, without modern medicine, the after effects of the arsenic would have been horrific!! The loss of her daughter and best friend would have added to poor Hannah's anguish!!😥💔
I wonder what happened to Anne Lloyd, the widow?!
@@nadiabrook7871 The much admired Mrs Lloyd does indeed marrry and probably did at least a few prayers thanking her luck not have married him!😏
@@newsofthetimes Mrs Lloyd did indeed have a lucky escape!!
Well well well,blummern serial killers in rural Norfolk!
Bloomin' heck! How did that happen??? Sadly no pictures of the enchanting Ann Lloyd...killing a family for a woman is rather an extreme measure! 😏
@@newsofthetimes absolutely 🙂👍
We used to have bread and milk up until the early eighties.
In Yorkshire, it was called pobbs! You know things are a bit tight when.....😉
@@newsofthetimes yes,you knew what it was to go without in those days.
Yes, we had it in Ireland too and called it bitties or maybe my mother put that name on it to make me eat it but I loved it 😀
@@claresmith9261 Interetsng how things have changed....and the differnet names for the same thing!🤔
I was just thinking the same when I saw your comment, so had to join the replies😂. I was born in the early 1960s , and you brought back fond childhood memories for me. Could never persuade my own daughter to have some though 😂😂,