Pieper's 7-Barrel Mitrailleuse: Like a Shotgun But Accurate
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Manufactured in the 1880s and 1890s to serve the professional hunter market, Pieper’s 7-barrel Mitrailleuse was essentially a rimfire volley gun. It was offer in both .22 rimfire and .32 rimfire calibers, both models having clusters of 7 rifled barrels which fired simultaneously with a single trigger pull. The purpose was to offer an alternative to the large-bore punt gun for effective hunting of fowl at extended range. A volley from one of these was essentially like firing a round of buckshot, but with each pellet actually a rifled bullet, thus providing much improved accuracy.
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"So, do you want single shot, or a repeater?"
Monsieur Pieper: "Oui."
@@hansstrouf It is "Oui" in Belgian French too, though.
You did the joke right, congratulations
HellbirdIV has always happened when the one time oooo
@@noidontthinksolol And Pieper was from the French half.
@@noidontthinksolol 1. His name was Henri Pieper. 2. He lived and worked in Herstal. 3. All the material about his manufacturing company is in French.
It's almost like there's sources you can look up on the internet to find out these things.
littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20p/a%20pieper%20en%20tete%20gb.htm
I'm sorry if it offends you, but the guy behind this gun was definitely French Belgian.
The gun cost, 70 dollars in around 1880, would be about 1,840 dollars today (for those who were curious).
I think I would pay that much for one. I just have my doubts that the gun could be made at that price without $50,000 of tooling at least.
Well, a guy I worked with spent that on a 12 gauge semi, only to shoot it for a season and hate it.
Not that excessive for what you get, would cost more than that to get one of similar quality now.
What would it cost to fire all the barrels at once, today?
@@chrisneedham5803 less than 1 round of .308, less than curtis Jackson.
Archeological proof that people have always sought more dakka
Schnapps does funny things to a man.
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA
OI DAS RIGHT YA GIT MORE DAKKA TIL DE AIR WE BREEF IS FILLD TO DA BRIM WIT LEAD AND FIYAH!! WAAAAGH
OI, I SEE YOUZ A BOY OF KULTUR AZ WELL!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
when u gotta snipe but shotguns are life.
Sniping's a good job mate
725 intensifies
@@c1berserker744 .357 over intensifies
shotguns ARE life.
Shotty-snipes.
Peter Pieper picked a peck of puckered pepperboxes.
Would it be possible to have someone (Taofledermaus, Destin or the Slomo guys come to mind) film this thing firing seven rounds in ultra slow motion? That must look amazing.
It should be possible with the .22 provided it chambers one of the cartridges still available. The .32 would be harder, no one makes .32 rimfire any longer however there are a couple of kits using special reloadable cartridges. All we need to do is to crowd fund several thousand dollars and hope it's not illegal in California so Taofledermaus can film it.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot it would be fun. Fun is specifically outlawed in kalifornia, as it is known to cause cancer.
That would make the O.G's day 😂😂
I came here to ask the same thing
Randy Magnum That’s pretty much what I was thinking.
I'm probably "the odd one out" in the comment section when I say I don't know much about guns, but I really do like the more historical value these vids give me. It's fascinating to see how guns evolved and what people came up with throughout history. Cool stuff.
No same here, I'm here for the history. I've only fired a gun once, more of a bow and arrow person xD
I hardly know what a bolt is!
@@grizzly3793 its what you shoot from a crossbow! :D ;D
Welcome home guys. I'm fascinated by the engineering.
That's what this show is all about. For technical information on firearms you can find lots of channels, but this amount of historical insight is pretty rare.
I'd be interested to see some statistic but I would be surprised if people like you and me are really that rare among this channel's subscribers or even casual watchers. I do know a lot more about guns than when I started watching even if I never handled one since I was a teenager, a 22 rifle under adult supervision. I found shooting fun but I like the history better.
Doomguy: *Heavy breathing*
Also Doomguy: *Fuck it, how about Too Many Super Shotguns ?*
Perfect for those pesky chaingunners and archviles
DoomSlayer would love to have one but chambered in 12 gauge instead of.22
@@kainezilla3688 They're rifle rounds, so they would be in 5.56 or 7.62.
@@IndianaJoe3 nah, .308 probably
For when you truly possitively want someone to feel some hurt.
Yeah, don't be mean - go .45/70 & everybody gets hurt . . .'Call this one mah bear gun, I'll try it one day.'
I.E. the shooter
For when you truly, positively want someone to eat some goose.
What kind of damage will be go with it whet it hits his target.
I guess pretty devastating results,even with the .22 caliber
KRUG SAY YOU WANNA FEEL BIG HURT
-the guy who made this gun probably
I can't even begin to imagine how much work goes into regulating SEVEN damn barrels...
If I won the lottery I would start manufacturing modern day versions of this.
Do it in 45 70 just to be mean.
I see it more probable in 327 fed mag,or 22 mag. Usable but still strong.
17 win mag I'd like to see
It'd be a fun plinker in 22
@CycloneLeadworks Technically, if all the barrels fire at once, it is a "volley gun" and is legal under US law.
Instantly I thought "well if it's basically meant to act like a shotgun, wonder how effective a double barrel version would be"
If it had double the barrels it would probably be real real heavy, but boy would it look cool
@chris jackso for when you want to obliterate the broad side of a barn
I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK
You mean a fourteen barrel version?
14 no no no go the quard barely version 28 barrels.
When u want to go fly from recoil.
I ran into one of these about 20 years ago (.22lr) the old fella who had it said his family had used it for field goose hunting back in the day. I never knew what it was (by name) and neither did he but this solves it.
- up here in Canada by the way
Didn't it use 22long ?
Yes you are likely right, I didn't fire it or see it fired. It was just shown to me, maybe it could even function with shorts?
@@2spooky4me96 i heard some that claimed it used 22 short,others 22 long,i guess it was fine with both.
Now,just imagine a modern version in 22 mag.
Junichiro Yamashita be a great turkey gun lol
@Junichiro Yamashita unfortunately it wouldn’t be legal to manufacture for commercial sale, in the US anyway. Volley fire is in the same basket as a full blown MG.
*sees notification on phone about "pieper 7 barrel mitra*
Me= what idiot makes a 7 barrel gun??
*opens video and sees his country flag
Me= oh...i guess we do...
Natuurlijk is het een Belgische uitvinding
Hey you were the guys that gave us, the rest of the world, the concept of
"Why get one when you can get two of them, but we wont' stop there, order now and get a THIRD thrown in for free!" etc
Ik bedoel wie anders?
@@Hirosjimma Zuid-Nederland bedoel je
If it's dumb but it works, it's not dumb.
I want to see Paul Harrell test this on the meat target.
Need to get him one first.
@@matthewpaine6908 Maybe his Patreon can cover it.
@ I've estimated that a fresh meat target costs about $15.
@ Never try anything Paul does at home.
GO TO THE RANGE!
@@shawnr771 if my plans work out, the range will be my back yard.
fyi, I was using humor, something that not everyone appears to have. like the Harley guys say, "if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand anyway".
The Pieper pepper box. There's a tongue twister to be had.
Peppering pushy p(h)easants!
Sorry
Well pieper produced a perfect pair of posh pepper box poppers.
pieper prepped his pepper popper promptly pooty poo. priming pretty purposely he popped his polearm to his solder too. aligning the post and valley, he prepared to pull the pendulum. a paltry push and off it wooshed! in a puff of percussion the projectiles he made flew.
@@b.griffin317 well done sir, well done.
A popular way of extending the range for wildfoul using a ten bore in the UK was to create a wax slug out of the shot and then shoot it in to the water in front of a load of ducks. It would break up showering them with shot at long ranges.
Who told you this? I never heard this before. I wonder how 12 gauge birdshot wax shells would do if fired into water. Never heard anybody using wax shells that way
3:41 And that's how I would have lost the cartridge plate in tall grass.
Don't Go Into The Tall Grass!
Maybe not necessarily because the cases might hold it in place...
You would for sure have more than one.
@@thomasmorgan1433 Well, your man would. This kind of gun wasn't for men who loaded their _own_ guns. :)
Get a very big 🧲. Problem solved.
Imagine a gatling gun with these guns as the barrels
That would almost be enough dakka...
matthew hurley
Never.
Lead hosepipe.
He’s said they were “relatively”, light, but they look heavy! Those huge barrels must be dense.
The Meroka CIWS is 12 barreled, 20 mm cannon used for missile defence on Spanish Navy ships en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroka_CIWS
That .22 is absolutely gorgeous even today, I love the grain of the wood, and then the up close look on the metal made me find it even more beautiful than the opening shot did.
YEAH,
I cannot believe you listened to me! I have been eyeing this gun for at least a couple of years,i also started a thread on reddit because i want to have made a reproduction of it. I didn't know the 32 cal version was also available in 7 shots,always thought it had 5.
THANK YOU IAN!
@@sporkstar1911 i was dreaming about one in 220 Swift. Or in 25 06 ,which i heard is a very good hunting round.
"And that's how the food industry worked"
Two of the coolest guns you've ever featured! So neat.
I really enjoy your videos and the way you deliver the info
Wow almost at 1.5 mil! I feel like you hit 1 mil about a year ago congrats!
I wonder what it'd be like to have a modern version of this. "The Chiappa Beehive; From here to there in 7 shots. At once."
Like the Triple Threat but bigger.
Brilliant! Great idea and great guns.
Great camera work. You are really getting nice work. They look great.
Richard Sharpe and Sgt. Harper would approve of this video
This is something I've thought would be a thing for a long time. I'd really like to have one of these made in modern times to shoot.
This was great to see. I love old things, love old guns, and weird old guns are fascinating.
Top 5 coolest firearms you’ve shown. And that’s saying something. It would be very very cool to see these shot.
What a fascinating and beautiful firearm. I wonder why the idea wasn't more popular. I'm also curious about the recoil.
Thank you for the great video, as usual.
Speculating a bit about the recoil... The .22 version probably doesn't have that bad of a recoil. The barrels alone adds a lot of weight and the rest of the rifle is certainly chunky with nothing but steel and wood. Light metals were not often used for firearms at this time, and there were no polymers (AFAIK) so it will have some nice weight to offset the seven barrels.
The 32 might have a bit more kick to it though, and I think that you probably do not want to go to far up in caliber or power before it gets uncomfortable.
Thoughts on my musings?
Two thoughts at seeing this.
1) Would it work in .38?
2) Would it work as a cavalry carbine?
Really liked how the firing control works on this, especially the trigger guard and breech.
Thank you Ian they are very cool
It wouldve been fun to be a hunter back in the day
Nice. Never heard of these. Definitely a niche market. The cartridge plate makes a lot of sense. Assumedly it was possible to carry extra plates in a pouch of some sort, like a speedloader or moon clip. I imagine the first volley would spook the birds, but it would still be a good idea to reload quickly and keep walking. A modern version in a centerfire like .223 would be interesting, but for what practical purpose i do not know. Regulating the barrel assembly would be time consuming and expensive. But with today's precise line boring methods, maybe it would not be necessary? Still a lot of work just to blast side by side water jugs at 50 or 100 yards. Anyway, great video as always. Thank you
Gorgeous looking guns!
Great video, as always, Ian!:)-John in Texas
When it's the 19th century and you need to deal with 40 to 50 feral hogs.
Shooting
.22 s at hogs is pretty much a waste of time unless you can hit them in the head and have enough velocity to penetrate the skull.
Not sure .22 Long Rifle was a thing in 1898 so relegated to Long and Shorts. They certainly did not have CCI minimags.
The .32 version might be a little better but still probably have to be a head shot for a kill.
At the this weapon came out my choice for hogs would be a lever action 30 30.
Would not want to mess around with anything smaller and in case you missed this rifle is not exactly reloadable quickly.
With those two calibers, more like "pissing off 40 to 50 feral hogs"... I'll stick with waterfowl, thanks :)
The modern version of this is some twit opening up on some geese with a full-auto American 180.
what?
Wait what?
My wife wants an American 180
@@RalphReagan ...What?
Letting loose a hive of angry bees!
The stock on that .22 is gorgeous, those brindle stripes just add so much character.
Holy cow, these things are awsome!
This gun should be added to Hunt: Showdown...
Shoots the Butcher. Looks up.
Oh no!
Hell yeah!
Totally agree. Would it be compact or medium ammo?
@@ManiacMoomin people would complain it into special ammo.
Question: since this fires seven rounds with one trigger pull, does that count as a 'machine gun' under US law? IIRC the two-barreled Colt .45 has that limitation.
StevieB8363 no
What a concept!
That's so cool. Very clever shotgun like rifle.
Me: How many barrels would you like?
Pieper: Yes
You: *presents gun...*
Pieper: not enough barrels...
Me: *Visible confusion
“ALL OF THEM!”
I want to see it patterend at 100 yards. I bet there is some aerodynamic interference from bullet to bullett that causes scatter.
Interesting thought.
Was thinking the same thing. Even the muzzle blast of several projectiles in close proximity may effect the external ballistics and thereby degrade accuracy. Wonder if this possible effect played into how the gunsmith regulated the barrels to achieve optimal accuracy.
Thank you , Ian .
This is a remarkable weapon and video 👍
Gunfucious say "Double the barrel, double the fun." These nice looking guns go way beyond. Wonder if the .22 could handle modern rounds?
Well, there is long rifle, long, short and acorn
It has to handle acorn at least
@DeVon Taruex you never know though, back then companies often just used plain iron. not exactly built for high pressures
What kind of damage will be go with it when it hits his target.
I guess pretty devastating results,even with the .22 caliber
my brother owned one for about a week ,after some cleaning and a closer inspection it was determined that all of the chambers were cracked .the guns were made by inserting 7 small diameter barrels into a tube then apparently silver soldering them together . so the chamber walls were on the thin side.the guy he bought it from reluctantly bought it back , so if anyone happens to find one for sale check it for cracked chambers.
Out of the factory? It’s “gorgeous” now.
Very nice stock and action. Impressive technology for its time.
can't wait for the live firing video !
that 70 dollars back then was definitely worth it considering how beautiful they are 140 some odd years later.
It saddens me no company take risks like this anymore
Adam Wakefield facts but I think it’s because we’ve developed such reliable mechanisms there’s not really a need too
@@xannymanny9754it's more about the laws too I guess. Similar thing with cars.
Sweet guns love the 22
These are so cool
"Manufacture d'armes de st Etienne" is the company that made the famas( Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de St Etienne) and other french weapon like lebel rifle, chassepot and gras
I'm like, positive he knows that
I would love to see that shot any Target to see the accuracy pattern
Those are some beautiful pieces. You know a lot of craftsmanship went into creating these. It's too bad that they couldn't select single barrel firing but I suppose that's not what they had in mind.
What a handsome couple of guns.
Must be for pretty big birds. I can't imagine what it would look like after multiple .22 caliber projectiles have hit a quail but also a rabbit or a hare.
Its for professional hunters shooting into a flock of large birds at a large distance, multiple birds at once.
I'd say the Knox gun is probably pretty well known as Sergeant Harper's gun in the Sharpe stories.
At last someone knows Sharpe and the Knox.
God save Ireland! LOUDER FILTH! GOD SAVE IRELAND! SAY IT!
@@connorkilpatrick6283 I loved those books--and for that matter the Bolitho stories as well.
@@alltimelow2345 Daragh O'Malley was brilliant in that role. Perfect casting.
morelenmir he really was! I just binged watch the entire series last week. You can watch it on amazon Prime if you pay extra for Brit box. Well worth it to see the Royal green jackets and the south Essex kicking ass!
I live in Saint Étienne in France, and i love to see weapons of my city in your video
Vive forgotten weapons et vive la France
A single big ole *absolute* unit
Perfect for my steampunk warrior scientist.
And Rip n Tear some demons
Should probably call it a “shifle”, for shotrifle.
I love this idea.
Those stocks are gorgeous
"intended to be a long range equivalent or replacement to a shotgun"
Was there a 'side-by-side' or 'over-under' 'double volley gun', intended to be a long range equivalent or replacement to a double barreled shotgun? A double-seven-barreled-volley-gun, imagine.
Yes. Video coming. ;)
Forgotten Weapons God Be Praised!
@@ForgottenWeapons What!!!! they actually made a double barreled version of this??? Please tell me its still in working order! :)
DoomGuy saw this and the deathmetal started.
Someone should make this into a mod for GZDoom
I would love to see a gun like this in Doom
Huh. About to have supper and luck would have it, Gun Jesus decided to bless us with another great vid.
Thanks Gun Jesus
Just wonderful niche designs.
Did you pick a pair of Piepers?
You had to do it
@@donpaterson4476 At least I didn't say "to put on display"
49 views, 46 comments and 412 likes.... that’s funnily awesome. Oh and this thing is really cool.
from the muzzle view it looks like a bundle of seven barrels (hence individually regulated barrels) shrouded in a tube. may be lighter than it looks. I liked the rimfire "firing disk", simple and elegant solution to a complex task.
Again, amazing.
So, question. What would these transfer under? A normal 4473, or since they're pre-1898, do you just take it home, or since one trigger pull fires more than one round, does it count as an NFA item? I'm genuinely curious.
I don't think federal law would even recognize this as a firearm considering it's pre 1898 and black powder.
The questions is would you have to register a modern reproduction as an NFA item?
@@halo7oo Should be smokeless by that date.
Volley fire doesn't fall under NFA restrictions.
@@halo7oo It is not black powder.
It takes rimfire .22 and .32.
Imagine breaking into someone's house and the owner uses either of these for self defense. I picture massive damage to the criminal.
and speedloaders/moonclips as reloads :D
It is basically a single shot shotgun, where each pellet is bigger,heavier and has its own propellant charge.
It's roughly equivalent to a standard double-ought Buck charge if two pellets miss. Or a standard number four buck load if 30 of the pellets miss.
@@GunFunZS with its traditional loads,imagine one in modern calibers,like 22 mag.
"It shredded the pork steak pectorals, made a golf ball sized hole right through the ribs, decimated our orange lung tissue and made it through to about the second or third layer of fleece."
I would love to see a video of these put on a range, fixed in place and then fired at multiple ranges, to see how consistent the pattern is...
I want one of these so badly.
So could you load the .22 caliber one up with modern ammo and have it function?
Possibly .22 Long Rifle was introduced in 1884.
22 shorts would probably run real close in velocity to the .22 long cartridges of the era
@@agoogleaccount2861 They used to have a
.22 Long.
Imagine the poor sob in the factory that had to get all 7 barrels going exactly parallel, no thank you!
He wasnt poor.
His was master craftsman who probably got paid very very well for his work.
People with that level of skill get paid or they go find another job.
Shawn R oh dear god, not literally poor, what you’ve never heard that expression?
@@MrMisterDerp Yes I have but someone that skilled enjoys it.
"Exactly parallel" would probably have lead to the worker being let go from the job. The guns barrels were precisely "regulated", and I would guess that means that the center barrel is what the other barrels were regulated to--meaning those six are each very slightly angled in toward the center. That is a guess on my part about which barrel would be the primary, but it seems like the easiest way to go. Maybe the top barrel was the starting point and the others were regulated to that one.
rob biemer thought the same thing at first but it dawned on me, at one point, all 7 rounds will collide at some distance based on what angle they were drilled
That is really cool.
I'm thinking I saw one of those guns at the Remington Arms Museum at the factory in Illion NY. That museum has a little bit of everything from Remington production guns to Chinese hand cannon and large bore guns from the 17th century. If you haven't visited the museum I highly recommend it if you're ever in the Illion NY area. I did some contract work for a company I worked for that built CNC machines and installed a few of them at the factory back in the late 80's. The museum is in the factory complex.
The Belgian's name is pronounced as "peeper" my dear Ian.👍
😊👍
god save ireland
Vert cool. These should still be made...I would buy one
1:21 is where Ian's gun-knowledge experience matches up with the insanity that is my experience with modern trucking
$70 huh? Well since their used I’ll give you $40 each for them.
That .22 is gonna go for a small fortune.
First American Comment
Intended for waterfowl pass shooting at high flying birds. The French made the similar 3 barrel "Buffalo Stand" in .22 Long Rifle at MAS. The latter is rare in USA, last one I saw for sale went for over $4000.
Every time I think I have a new invention, Ian shows me it was already done 100 years ago.
That 22 version's wood is soo good
Love to see one of those shoot into a ballistic gel block. Some kind of quick repeating/automatic version would be interesting.
I've seen a photo of a 'Remington Goose Gun' - 7 x .22RF, no loading plate - allegedly made by Remington for the US market on a fairly standard rolling block action.
This really makes me want to get into making guns.