1884 Tacticool: Silver & Fletcher's "Expert" Auto-Ejector
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In 1884, High Silver and Walther Fletcher patented a system to rapidly unload a gate-style revolver. They negotiated an agreement to have their system integrated into Webley revolvers (specifically the New Model RIC) as an option, and sold about 350 of them, including some to both he Royal Irish Constabulary and the Metropolitan London Police, under the name “The Expert”. Not so different from today’s tactical widget market, eh? The practical use of the system was to bypass the glacially-slow manual ejector rod and instead unload a cylinder full of empty cases simply by pulling the trigger six times in rapid succession. To avoid the obvious potential safety hazard this entailed, they also added a safety to retract the firing pin. It’s this firing pin safety that people usually notice when seeing the guns, as it is much more visible than the ejection mechanism.
The system could also be used to eject empty cases one by one as the gun was fired, although doing so required leaving the loading gate open while firing. The Webley revolvers made with the system are devoid of Webley company markings, although they do have both a Webley serial number (most being in the 33,000 - 36,000 range) and a Silver & Fletcher number (between 1 and about 350).
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PSA for anyone planning to bid on the cased one: With how he was looking at it, you're probably gonna be bidding against Ian.
Yeah. That growing string of saliva hanging from the top of the screen was pretty gross.
So that is where our Patreon contributions are going!🤣
He can have it, as long as I can have the standard one
@@larryh502 good!
He is probably already figuring out which event to compete in with it.
2019: Tacticool
1884: Tacti-RESPLENDENT
Tacti-capital. Or possibly Tacti-splendid.
very cool video ian. more steampunk victorian tacti-splendid plz!
Tactidillydilly
Tacti-bloody-marvellous
Tacti-Bully
"If I might be allowed to surmise you are pondering the question regarding the less than clear fact that I would have fired five or six shots. I do feel obliged to inform you by this that this present firearm being a .450 calibre Webley-based revolver by Silver & Fletcher of London, being by all accounts a weapon of substantial potency, in which I go as far as venture that it might very well be the most effective against most common targets it is aimed at and fired upon. This effect for all purposes and intent would be most likely to cause a wound equivalent of losing one's head quite suddenly. Therefore I would implore you to cogitate with all due diligence the conviction of considering yourself under the protection of the proverbial Lady Fortuna. Therefore, if you will allow me, I shall ask you in a frank manner : "Do you consider your current position fortunate, you impudent scoundrel ?"
"Posh Harrison"
Well vocalized good sir.
Bravo!
rotwang2000 "I must confess that this current commotion has distracted me from maintaining an accurate count of shots fired."
I must have closure, yet that which is at present unknown to oneself, prevents me from achieving it.
I remember, in one of the original Sherlock Holmes novels, there’s mention of an autoejector. It thought it meant a semi-auto pistol, but I wonder if it meant this with the gate open.
More likely it’s simply the Webley top-break revolver.
What chapter? And name of the case?
I think I need to stop playing around and read Sherlock Holmes.
I read through 'the complete sherlock holmes' a couple of times, and didn't even find the chapter concerning the police gifting mr Sherlock Holmes his own personal revolver.
If forums were to be believed.
The Sign of Four, set in 1888 and published 1890 so feasible. I always got the impression that Doyle enjoyed firearms but was far from expert, so mentioning a 6-year-old technology that he's seen in a magazine, gun shop or pistol range so casually in one of his novels, assuming that the technology is either wider-spread or commonly-known than in reality, would be consistent with that.
EDIT: correction, it's The Adventure of the Dancing Men, published 1905. Feasibly an automatic pistol, but mentioned specifically as a revolver.
Open loading gate before shooting for +30% reload speed.
More than that the way the old ejerctor rods worked!
@@kg4boj the gun still has the same mechanism you just dont need to rotate it again if you hold it open.
@@juhomannela2160 What I'm saying is you will be able to reload way more than 30% faster. It is painfully slow to reload those old school revolvers with one chamber ejection rod at a time and that's if nothing gets stuck!
@@kg4boj With practice it looks like you'd be able to reload almost as fast as you could shoot.
Sorry for the thread necro.
A left handed shooter with a gift of deftness might be able to reload cartridges as he was firing
I was half expecting that front sight to have radium paint on it...
Except radium wasn't discovered until five years later.
maybe cesium. it glows blue but hey, its something.
Luminous paint had been around for many years. Needed 'charging' by letting daylight at it and it 'ran down' in just a few hours but it could have bee luminously painted.
Probably just a harmless bead of ivory. Well, harmless to the shooter, not so harmless to the elephant.
fallout reference? fallout reference.
I never realized how much I wanted a John wick prequel set in Victorian London until I saw this gun
What a totally awesome idea.
AGENT SMITH: "Greetings, Mister Anderson! Or should I say . . . [withering sneer] . . . _'John'_ ?"
Ben White no my good sir, I believe you mean “rubbish”
Keanu himself is a perfect fit to star in it seeing as he's immortal and was alive at the time
Johnathan Wickfield
When the guy at the range dressing like an operator is wearing a pith helmet.
"Just like today, you're not really an expert unless your gun says you're an expert" ... too true lol... and elite, never enough kit that says elite on it.
And yours says Replica
And tactical. Everything I own says tactical. From my tactical socks to my tacticool hat.
Don't forget the Punisher skull. Can't be an "operator" without one.
And the paracord wrap 😂
@@pbgd3 "And mine says Deseht Eagle, point Five Oh..."
"Accidents are the mother of safety mods."
Every safety improvement is the result of someone's "oops".
7:48 that little bottle of oil has probably congealed back into a dinossaur
It was probably based on vegetable or animal fat, not petroleum products, if it was really that old.
@@Kaboomf they had petroleum products in the 1860's....
Kaboomf um ackshually
@@gunfuego yes. However, refinery technique was far from perfected, and lubricants for guns and fine machinery was often whale oil.
Fun factoid: Automatic transmission fluid was originally formulated to closely duplicate the properties of sperm whale oil, which is what the first automatic transmissions used. That's way later than when this revolver was made.
@@Kaboomf I'd give a good chance of it being whale oil. Whale oil was noted as being a very good lubricant (and was used in clocks for years).
I really want to know if they came up with the hammer safety after some 'real world learning' experience.
The Full 9 Idk if this is relevant but a guy dropped his webley, it landed on the hammer and shot him through the skull. So they have been concerned about all sorts of safety for ages
@@1stdaybreaker707 Before transfer bars and hammer blocks were common, any revolver would do that.
I don't think so. The first thing that popped into my mind at the start of the video was that priority #1 for such a device is a hard guarantee that it doesn't interfere with normal operation when disengaged. And behold, ejection while firing seems to be optional, and not recommended; I think they thought of the implication.
I think they could have designed it better with some way to ensure it stays in one position or the other
I don't know who of the 4 replies I'm answering. I think his name is Hikock, does speed shooting videos made a point of this. All revolvers, if fully loaded have a hammer sitting on a live round. If a live round is in fire position any significant force on the hammer will cause discharge. My friend shot his couch when I told him to see if it worked.
Everyone need to get them a person that looks at them the way Ian looks at that cased Silver & Fletcher's patented auto ejection system Webley revolver.
Some empty cases would have been exciting here
Yah
Perhaps
I wish whoever bought it would post a video showing the ejection process
Zilver and Fletcher must have been furious when semi auto pistols became popular
Realistically, the appearance of swing-out cylinders and DA top breaks made this out of date within a couple of years.
It's a pity. I really like how simple their solution is.
On the embellished version, the firing pin appears much sturdier.
Probably saw much less use
@@duncanmcgee13 I must concur this to be a more than reasonable assumption.
@@duncanmcgee13 Sounds totally reasonable in theory, I think it's a completely different firing pin though. That would be an unholy amount of wear in a very even pattern, that never wore down the tip hitting the primer...
@@jameshealy4594 It actually looks like it has been re-profiled at some point and looks shorter. I wonder if the tip got bent or broke somewhere along the way and someone just filed it down to make it look right without concern for functionality.
And the other appears bent downward.
If having a gun labeled “expert” makes you and expert, imagine being a volcano or a Medusa
Shit, I'm a Judge.
You could be a Rhino but probably just a street sweeper.
I bought an old revolver and it made me go vegan and miss my mommy. (it was a colt.)
Apparently I am a peacemaker, or a smoke wagon, or a widow maker, or an equalizer. Wow
So I can be a honeybadger
It's a pity you did not have some empty brass to visually show how the system works.
range finder Or snap caps.
Victorian tacticool.
The more things change, the more they stay the same...
Steam Punk?
Steam Punk!
STEAMPUNK
Britain: home of the semi auto bolt action and now the semi auto revolver
Have you heard of webley fosbery
@@techpriest5452 Kind of a solution looking for a problem, but cool nonetheless.
Not technically a semi automatic revolver since it lacks the automatic loading of cartridges.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 neither is an SMLE. It's just a humorous exaggerated description
@@anthonyhayes1267
Fair enough. Although my question is if there has ever been a self loading revolver.
Also, if you add a gas system to a straight pull bolt action rifle, is does that make it a semi automatic bolt action?
you should test this out on the range just to see if it's actually practical to go ham with the loading gate open
That would be awesome!
...say, where do we get the .450 ammo for it? It hasn't been in production for almost 100 years...
@@brunoratto253 found a place that has it limit 1 round per customer 7.95 each so I'm sure there are 50 of us that want to see a firing video lol
i was curious of that and would expect the casing would fly straight to the face. such an interesting auto ejector to see nonetheless.
spaz14. Modern Glocks do that, too. Nothing really changes, LOL.
@@brunoratto253 It's easy to make. Just shorten .455 brass and load appropriately.
I’m just imagining a James Bond from the late 1800’s dashing around, riding on a horse with secret late 1800’s tacticool upgrades. He’s probably trying to steal the Declaration of Independence or something
The Wild, Wild West with the character, Jim West starring Robert Conrad.
@@shooterqqqq No, Kanye West.
"An ejector saddle? You're joking!"
7:43 It even comes with its own mini Connect Four game!
No but seriously what is that for? The holes are way too large to be a weird ammo holder thing
@@TheMegaPingasMobile .450 Boxer is quite a fat cartridge.
A Webley for “Operators “. I love it!
You spelled "Discerning Gentlemen" wrong
Tacticool has been going on a LOT longer than that! The loading bell on a Blunderbuss is the Tacticool mod for an Arquebus circa 1500.
The best way to start my morning
I'm expecting that embellished Silver & Fletcher to end up in Ian's collection now.
Same, you can see his wheels turning, I'd expect him to at least bid on it.
@@snek9353 i think he said he doesn't make videos on guns he's interested to buy
@@alessiocarlevaro6934 IDK, would be dumb to post a video that increases interest in something going for auction that you want to bid on. But... some guns go cheap, don't see why he wouldn't at least entertain the idea of a low bid. In particular with his interest in early autos, not an auto, but a precursor. RIA might not let him though, it would give him an unfair advantage his handling and inspection of the guns before the auction.
@@snek9353 I thought anyone could view the guns before the auction?
@@Kaboomf IDK, I'd assume view but not handle.
You know what could make this even better? A ludicrously long Alofs-like tube full of cartridges on the lower part of the open loading gate.
If you are firing with the gate open you could insert another round to keep your pistol topped off. Say you have a miscreant pinned behind cover. And you know as soon as you stop firing he will make a break for it and get away. So fire and load. Yelling give it up! Then fire and load. I've got you now! Fire and load. ... Then when he thinks you have to eject all the spent casings and reload another six rounds. You fire again. Shaken he throws his hands in the air. You've got your man.
If you are firing with the loading gate open would the recoil not throw out a live case or two?
Silver & Fletcher hmm..
Why do they sound like characters of some sea adventure novel??
They probably were on some crazy adventure in the jungles of asia or africa. They may have encountered a horrible monster that they tried to put down with their standard, 6 shot revolver. But with no way to quickly reload the cylinder, their man servant (possibly named Jenkins) was eaten alive before they could reload their slow revolvers and finish the job. The expert gate would have allowed them to reload the revolver and had the time to save Jenkins from the monster
@@ryridesmotox 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Depends. Does said adventure involve parrots, peg-legs and hooks?
@@Taistelukalkkuna I would submit the argument that it wouldn't be an adventure if it didnt include at least 2 of those 3 elements
I was thinking it sounded like a brand of tea. If its not a brand of tea it should be as it sounds thoroughly British.
“Glacially slow”
Never heard that before and probably won’t hear it again.
Thanks Ian👍
You are my grown up Mr Rogers. Your videos have an extraordinary ability to make all the bs fade into the background and everything is nice and for a few minutes while you levitate above it all hanging out in Mr Rogers house, or with Ian and a nifty machine, things are simple and satisfying. Thanks.
The screws on the sideplate are nearly perfectly timed. Don't see that very often.
IMO probably one the best "tactical" weapons of this era was a Winchester Lever Action Rifle.
Donald Kline Media If you watch the movie “ The league of Extraordinary Gentlemen”. You will see a pair of beautiful fully engraved Winchesters. The story is set in Victorian England and is a take on Jules Verne, Rider Haggard and all the best steampunk victorian novels. I saw these guns briefly as a master gun engraver that I knew was just packing them up for shipment to the client, who was the director of the movie. He craftily got them made as ‘props’ for the movie, and are now in his personal collection. And Sean Connery is in the movie too.
Howard Maryon-Davis I remember seeing that gun in the movie, and what a cool gun to have in a collection....😁👍
The pure genius that went into designing that system at that time is truly astounding, and the same with so many of the firearms you show, it's really something you just don't see these days!!
That’s really cool. Some designs and designers where just to far ahead of there times to be truly appreciated. However I truly appreciate you for bringing them to us to view. Thanks again for all you do.
would love to see slow motion footage of this gun firing
Tactical double-actions first thing in the morning. Lovely.
Now on to the cat video portion of my day...
I say, old boy, that is one splendid piece of kit. Positively brilliant!
Neat feature on an already nice looking piece. Did not know about these before. Love it!
4/10 Tacticool. Where's the under barrel grenade launcher? Where do you mount the flashlight?
Haha yeah! Unlock gold paint at 250 headshots 😁
No no no no! You NEED a _knife bipod._
PartiZAn18 what are you talking about, if my revolver cant equip a X30 zoom scope i don’t want it
needs bayonet lug and overy extrem looking flashhider
Where can I mount my tactical coffee maker?
Find someone who looks at you the way Ian looks at that engraved revolver.
Beautiful gun and a wonderful mechanism. I was already picturing the auto-ejection method before it was mentioned. This i will seek out throughout my life.
I love it! Some of these old innovations that never took off are fascinating!
A Webley that shoots its user in the face with empty shells...Excellent.
Brilliant! Can't wait to see these show up as blasters in a future Star Wars movie.
Just what I was thinking! It’s honestly what got me into forgotten weapons.
Not German enough.....
The figuring of that presentation case is beautiful! Will have to show this video to a friend of mine, for a reference in his next Victorian sci-fi game
Man, what a cool old revolver! I've never heard of such a thing. I'd love to try one of these out someday. I'm sure I'll never get the opportunity, but here's hoping.
There are actually two addreses. 22" Old Bond Street is in Mayfair, 67 Cornhill (Sun Court) is seperate. Both buildings still exist, they are both Graded historic buildings.
51WCDodge I think Bond Street was the showroom and Cornhill was the manufactory.
@@howardmaryon-davis666 That's what I thought, or Bond Street to sell and Cornhill the Solicitors office, company registered?
I would love to see a modern revolver with this system.
thats a cool design
I love how many neat ideas gunsmiths come up with
Such cool pieces! Thanks for the video Ian
Well I'm off to stamp "expert" on all my firearms.
god damn Ian, youre good at making quality videos!
That's a quality profile picture you got there.
Very high tech!! Thanks for explaining the function of the doodle!!
Wonderful to be able to wander into a shop on Old Bond Street and peruse the fine revolvers. Its a nice part of town but sadly lacking in gun shops.
Great video, would have been cool to see it ejecting an empty.
Because a Schofield-type top break design made too much sense, we present to you the Auto-Ejector.
Well you see how top break revolver technology has stayed around to the present-day don't you. Oh, wait. It hasn't.
@@davidmcguire6043 Same can be said for the Auto-Ejector.
@@mohawkdriver4155 no it can't. The auto-injector concept is alive and well. This is a crude but accurate version of what automatic pistols use today.
That’s actually pretty neat. I love the mechanical devices people come up with. I think that the auto eject feature would be really fun at the shooting gallery. But the option to keep the gate closed and shoot like a normal revolver would be better for combat/defensive role.
The first tactical gun, that is awesome! I am surprised that you said there was only 350 built and how rare this handgun really is. For an 1884 acting as a semi auto is really cool.
I thought we were about to hear Ian vom on camera at 4:38
Now i really want to see one of these ejecting revolvers firing
Hi, Ian. If I am ever shown the Expert Auto Ejector by a collector, I will ooh and ah! with real enthusiasm. If he offers to sell it to me, I would say "Nope." The pistols are in the same genré as British Humor, spelled humour. I can appreciate it, but not accept it. The engineering was over the top. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
man denkt , jemand der sich ständig mit waffen beschäftigt müsste martialisch
eingestellt sein - aber nee - du machst das prima .
sehr sympathisch :)
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that say "29" old bond st???
Silver & fletcher were clever buggers!
There plan was cunning.
That auto ejecting design is fucking ingeniously crafted!!!!
The craftsmanship is amazing.
I love these I want one!
What about a tacticool clockwork chainsaw bayonet for this.
I'm a 63yr old toolmaker. When I die, I hope I can go back in time to see how the guns of this era were made! To see and run the machines and use the tools of the day! The sheer genius of design and craftsmanship in manufacture! No CAD-CAM-CNC!
That is one cool looking revolver.
Where’s the narwhal tusk attachment?
1884- we make cool expert firearms
2019- we banned knives
You mean the automatic assault spork?
@@sidharthcs2110 Which is the problem.
The UK banned knives in 2019, did they? Must have missed that, sat here with a wide range of perfectly legal knives.
@DaibhidhBhoAlba whoa look out for this guy! He's sitting there with a WIDE RANGE of legal knives.. ur sharp objects are legal huh?! Jesus wild concept for sure. You guys are truly the face of freedom I'd say! Always the one dude who dosent catch onto the joke.. always one. And just so happens its you my man. Make sure u don't cut ur self!
It’s not always about “would you use it”. I love stuff like this for the engineering aspect. Obviously this one is a historical piece but even more contemporary stuff like the Laugo Alien or the AN-94.
You the man Ian! Yet another great video...
Where is your show on the history channel?
"Empty cases. what are we living for..."
Abandoned ranges, I guess we know the score, on and on...
@@Michael_Mohr Does anybody know what we're aimin' for?
@@kohinarec6580 Another spinner, another trespasser...
Most likely, if they made their own guns, the innovation would not have worked as well. Sometimes a collab. is best. Proven Webley revolvers with a new innovative feature.
I hope someone uses this concept in a game- where you start with the "painfully slow" standard reload with the rod and this is like an upgrade you get
Beautifull revolver with nice technical improvements.
When i shoot my revolvers i do so on expert difficulty.
Steampunk Tacticool.
needs more non-functional gears and at least three pairs of goggles to be steampunk
@@toolthoughts
This guy gets it. ☝️☝️
stereomike111 yeah, otherwise it’s just vintage
@@toolthoughts IDK the embellished one is close. Put on a 12" barrel, an old school brass scope, and coat a few parts in brass and it'd be darn close and functionally cool.
Love the Mechanics of this firearm!
Wow.. what a totally awesome ejecting system. That is crazy slick. As Ian kind of mentions. Totally "tactical" but does it really do anything? Exactly! The entire point of crazy tactical stuff! So cool. All that effort and engineering, when a little later a drop out cylinder is invented. DOOH!
You should really have some empty cases now.
I’d love to know the story of who owned this back in England when men were still somewhat free to posses arms without the blessing of law enforcement/the crown.
For anyone curious (since UA-cam has forced channels like this to stop "advertising" guns), the first gun sold for $2,875 and the engraved gun sold for $4,600. That $4,600 is seemingly a good deal since that exact gun (with case) sold for $7,157 in December of 2016 at a Bonhams auction in London.
On the cased gun, the embellishment looked like the man checkering the grips got carried away and continued onto the steel.
Guns at 6 in the morning? Ayup.
Whoops, how did i get here
Hol up
What ungodly magic did you use
1 week ago? How did... ah, Patreon.
@@Vagabond671 actually i just found this video from rock island's catalog lol
This reminds me of that Danish revolver that has a slightly more complicated autoejecting system. Hey wait a second, you actually covered that gun Ian! I can't believe you didn't mention it!
This seems like a really good design at its heart. Get rid of the flimsy loading gate and replace it with a smoothed off rib which still allows cartridges to be added without interfering with the ejection mechanism and you have a great auto-extracting pistol!
So at this time period would they be Promenade Ninjas?
In Victorian Britain, they would have been arcade ninjas.
That is an absolutely FANTASTIC solution to traditional loading! 😎👌
Cool to watch the evolution of automation in handguns.
Woah, waaayyyy smart; I watch this channel to know engineering solutions outside my domain; this seems like an exceptionally "out of the box" solution
Beautiful gun with a nice little quirk, case is nice too.
Thank you , Ian .
I just heard Gun Jesus say "tacti-cool" with my own two ears.
I'm using that now.
That gun with box is best ever design I had ever seen. 💛💛💛