Fun fact. The 17hmr was originally developed by a rifle maker in Broken Hill Australia who would buy 22 mag rounds and pull them apart to neck down to 17. He contacted various cartridge makers trying to purchase 22 mag brass but they would not sell to him. After a while of testing he went to a few cartridge manufacturers to try and develop his new cartridge but none would offer any support. Lo and behold shortly after the 17 HMR was released by one of the company's. No recognition given.
Thank you Ron, very good show. I have a Ruger 10-22 set up for 100 yards, and a Savage bolt in the .17. Love them both. Great cheap pinker with the wife and kids.
Exactly. TV is all about indoctrination, manipulation, turning your mind off, taking from your bank account. This is educational, gets one to thinking, passes on valuable knowledge, gets community to interact.
Lifted above - spot on about tv - I stopped watching back when the nightly news became blatant, dishonest propaganda. I miss tha days of Walter Cronkite, when news was reasonably accurate, reasonably honest, and would actually investigate government corruption.
I’m glad you mentioned the 5mm Remington at the end. I have one that was a wall hanger and dust collector for years until Aquila started making ammo again . The ammo isn’t cheap but I’ve been stocking up little by little in case it becomes unavailable again. I take the money out of my budget for my other bad habits. The only ones unhappy to see 5mm available again are the starlings that hang around my farm buildings.
my uncle has one, henhad it new ammo went away it came back it went away It came back. Its a nice cartridge but there arent enough guns to expect it to live on.
I came across a Remington 591m, still in the box! A Remington collector had passed away, the family was selling everything! They said it was worthless because of ammo availability, I bought it for 50.00 and the dust continued, I happened to be at a old gun shop going out of business, they had pretty much sold out of everything except for a 100 boxes of 32 grain hollow points, I got em all for five dollars a box! Those days are long gone, but I still have plenty of ammo, and love nor money can buy my 5mm!
@@dannywilsher4165 a couple of my guns were stolen last year. Nothing very valuable but only one was recovered and I am still p.o.‘ed about it. Hope you find another 5mm to replace your loss.
Great video Ron, I love the .22lr but for me with the added range and knock down power the 17 hmr is very impressive and my go to rifle for small game. The CCI 20gn gamepoint ammo is brilliant as it opens up but still drills holes. I have punched holes through 4mm mild steel plates with it.
Savage A17 shoots 17 hmr. Excellent reliability, accuracy in an auto loader. Kinda picky about what it shoots best but I’ve been getting 3/4 to 1 inch groups at 75 yards.
I’ve got the Marlin and although it has a smooth wood stock and absolutely no features it’s one of my favourite rifles. (No problems with it ever and I’ve fired 200rds in a day on more then one occasion. I have close to 3,000 flawless rounds out of it. The magazines however are soft and definitely shouldn’t be mishandled or dropped.
Again, another well done , fact based presentation Ron. I appreciate the way you weave in useful information such as the spinning of the cartridge to settle the priming compound. Keep up the good work.
Love your analogy and breakdown of the small and large Rimfire cartridges. You definitely taught me a few things. Awesome, and thank you for sharing your knowledge and your passion.
I’ve shot every one of these cartridges, from 22 Short, ,22 Long Rifle, 22 Magnum, 17 HMR, & 17 WSM. In my opinion, if you’re looking for the best all-around rimfire cartridge, .22 Magnum is the one.
@@mac11380 If that’s the 22 LR cartridge with a 22 Short hull & a long 60 grain lead bullet, making it the length of a 22 LR, I have some of those. Hard hitting, from a pistol or rifle.
The 5mm Remington is an amazing round. I read that Remington wouldn't release the patent on the ammo. That's why it did not take off. I love my 5mm and all my rimfires. Thanks for a great video.
If you're considering which way to go for small game, you won't go wrong with the .17 HMR. I have one and the accuracy and range is far beyond what the tiny round should be capable of. It's ability to humanely dispatch varmint is also exceptional.
Just got me a 17hmr yesterday it is awesome i also own a 22 mag as well I like it as well but I use my .223 Remington for coyotes but a 17hmr or 22 mag will do it!!
I own quite a few rimfires as well as a Savage A17 Heavy Barrel chambered in 17HMR. Absolutely love this little rifle, lights out accurate and have not had any repeating issues as long as I run quality ammo.
"Quite a few people"? Did anyone else catch that at 6:56? Ron said he shoots red fox, raccoon and quite a few people...... that's a hell of a sound bite if you cut it off right at the end of people ;-)
I'm really surprised there isn't a lever action in that WSM with a box magazine. That oughta be a great combination...faster than a bolt gun without the issues of an autoloader.
Hi, I have a Savage Rifle in .17 HMR and Love it. Very flat shooting and accurate Round. I get 1/2” Groups at 100Yds all day long. Thanks Ron for all the information and the Chart. I really like all the details you go into about the development of the Cartridges, and even spinning the Casing to get the Powder to the edge of the Rim. I always learn a lot when I watch your Videos.
About the 22WMR and the accuracy of the same. I have an Anshutz 1518 Mannlicher with the double set triggers. When I bought it in Germany, it was a pleasure to shoot, and very accurate. When I got it back to the World, I enjoyed shooting it with a Weaver B4 scope, seeing three-quarter inch, five shot groups. Then, I ran out of RWS ammo, and could not find any more. Tried Winchester (the inventer, remember?) Instant 3 inch, 3 shot groups. I put the gun away for almost 20 years. When CCI came out with the MaxiMag+V, it was magical. Now I have RWS and CCI. Moral: Ammunition choice is critical to be able to maximize accuracy. The WMR can be very accurate.
And also good to know, I've been looking at getting a 17 and didn't think about that and I'd hate to go down range and all my steel has holes in it. Makes sense with the velocity, small diameter and high speed is how to defeat armor. Thanks for the PSA!
@@jaydunbar7538 I shoot AR450 and AR500 with my .17. It’s actually brutal on mild steel, even ballistic tip stuff. Btw ball does more damage on small targets and ballistic tip stuff well placed can take out bigger animals but placement is extremely important because I quartered a coyote and it tossed it’s guts out and broke it’s back. Absolutely terrible, and now I won’t use it for these animals again because it’s not reliably human in my hands for animals that size. .22-250 however gives me the option for quartering bigger animals like this.
Excellent presentation, Ron. You're a great speaker. I think rimfires are the most fun cartridges to shoot, although I don't get to do it often enough. Limited recoil, noise, but easy on the budget and super accurate.
Great video Ron, as an owner of many 22’s 22wmr 17 Hmr’s and a 17wsm i find my 17wsm savage b mag to be the most accurate with a close 2nd to my cz 455 night sky, I use my 17wsm for pretty much everything from gophers to coyotes, it’s my go to beaver gun, I use to believe nothing could beat a 22wmr for beaver head shots, my super mag proved me wrong this spring it does damage, I even stretched a few out just over 200 yards this spring across long ponds on calm nights, not sure why the WSM gets a bad wrap I’ve shot 1000’s of rounds through mine and it’s still accurate as hell
I have a cz 17 hmr 452 tack driver . It took 3 tries to get a 17wsm that would shoot accurate. It's a fluted barrell savage and l don't use the cz any more. Love my Wsm
Ron, I have a Love/Hate relationship with your videos. I love them because they're so informative and well done. I hate them because every time I watch one of your videos I find myself wanting another gun. Great video, thanks for sharing. JT
I have a 17 mach 2 and absolutely love it. It's my go to squirrel/rabbit/small varmint rifle. It doesn't make much noise and it has great precision and reach. For a while I about ran out of ammo. I picked up every box I could find of it. Now I probably have enough to last the rest of my life! Either way, not a popular round, but it's a great one for its intended purpose in my opinion.
Ron, thank you very kindly for your videos. I've spent considerable time watching these as well as the old Legends stuff. Fan for sure. It'd sure be cool to watch you do some more shooting!
Yeah, if it's early season and you're working a hickory they're cutting on, subsonic 22lr is hard to beat for squirrels. Later on when you're stalking the woods, 17 Mach 2 is king. My Mach 2 CZ 452 Varmint is a tack driver.
Hunting alone, ranges,generally less than 50yds, shelved the .22lr and used an airgun (neighbors didn't notice 'wire chewing little pests getting light on the roof). Worked ok.
I use the .17-WSM! I love that rifle and the cartridge! It has three different grains of bullets and they all perform with deadly accuracy out to 100-yards plus with ease... I bought a Savage 17-WSM heavy barrel, got rid of the factory stock, and got a nice Boyd Rifle Stock for it, and had it bedded lol! Went out west on a Gopher hunt and decimated them at 100 to 150 yards out with a Vortex Scope on it! I've whacked plenty of Coyotes, Badgers, Raccoons Opossum, Woodchucks, and squirrels .17-WSM the BOMB!
I purchased a heavy barrel for my 10-22 years ago in Aguila 17. It feeds great out of the standard 22 mags. A little fussy to load the mags because the bullet is so small to hold onto. Shoots great! Sub 1/2" groups at 50yrds.
Another great video....Love your comments on the Mach2...so glad that one made a comeback.....i dare to say it is the PERFECT squirrel gun....i'm not sure how it could be improved upon for anything squirrel sized
Really, I may need to get one. My favourite caliber is .22lr but .17hmr is a very close second. I love bigger stuff of course but tiny rounds are just so cool to me.
Thanks for all the information!!!! Love the channel. The 22lr or my 22mag is always my go to round when fishing or walking around in the woods with the hounds.
Great video ,thanks for the 5mm mention ,their great. I have rifles ina all the mentioned cal. And 17 HMR rules. That’s my opinion. I got stuck with one of the early savage rifles for the 17 WSM. So it’s hard to judge the cartridge till I get a rifle that works from a company that cares. Thanks for sharing.
I had reasonable perfoermance from the Ruger 77/17 in WSM when it first came out. Current users report the latest models are quite accurate. I've got my M85 Winchester/Browning single-shot shooting MOA and slightly better. Accurate 17 WSMs are out there!
I love my 5mm Remington rimfire magnum. And yes aquila is making the ammo again, they was also behind one of the older companies that made it years ago as well.
No love for the forgotten middle child, 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum? My Dad passed down a model 592M to me and it is a bonnie, beauty, and joy forever.
Rhubarb, only so much time and resources available, so I opted to not include the obsolete cartridges. I'm surprised no one has lambasted me for failing to cover the 44 Henry Flat, 32 Long Rifle, 56-50 Spencer and a dozen other old rimfires!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors oh and how dare you neglect the infamous 9mm Flobert! Haha. When my boots are on North American soil again, I wouldn't have an issue sending my rifle to an FFL near you for you to use and review, should you desire to do so.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, I don't think any of us are meaning to "lambast" you. I think we are just more of a curious lot and love to hear you talk about such things. Older obsolete cartages hold a special curiosity for a lot of us,..
Quickly becoming one my favorite channels. Ron really is THE straight shooter. Poly tip bullets really have allowed rimfires to come in to their own. The 22 WRF and 5mm Remington did not have superior bullets to make them special. Keep up the good work Ron!
Thanks Hillbilly. I intend to continue offering sound information and advice based on objective reality with but a smattering of personal bias sneaking it from time to time.
Yes, I was waiting for him to mention the WRF. They fit and fire just fine in the .22 WMR chamber. They use a heavier bullet than the .WMR, I think around 45 grains.
I have a friend that got a ton of 22 WRF ammo from a old store that closed and had it in the back. He shot it in his 22 mag just fine and had a lot of fun with them. Free ammo is always fun though lol
Very interesting points on the Mach 2. There is almost nothing for guns or ammo locally though for the Mach 2 (Saskatchewan) and the HMR is BY FAR the more popular .17 round here. I recently bought a CZ 457 in .22 WMR and boooooy does it ever shoot! Consistent 5 shot groups under a half inch at 100 yards with 30gr V-Max. The good old '22 mag' still holds her own I think. Excellent video as usual 👍 thanks for what you do!
I absolutely LOVE my 17 HMR (savage)its my most accurate rifle I own. Everyone i let shoot it falls in love and usually buys one. I loved it so much i bought a newer version of the same rifle the other day and cant wait to scope and shoot it. I wont break any world distance records of course. But i can get on a 8’ paper plate at 238 yds every single time. But 150 yards and in i can put most of the rounds in the same hole or next to it.
Good information as always Ron. Love your videos. Here in Sweden the ammo prices on the 17 hmr is ridiculous. Around 30 dollars for a box of 50 rounds. I think the prices for 6.5x55 is nearly the same. The 22lr is my choise but the 17 hmr is pretty popular on Grouse up in the mountains because the long distance an flatter trajectory. 22 wmr seams to be quite dead due to problems with finding the right ammo that will shoot good and tight at 80 yards and beyond, and ammo prices are little bit cheaper then 17hmr but not much.
@Chris Deaven 11-13 dollars sounds good, if we had those prices in Sweden for the 17hmr I would have got one. Seems to be quite devastating round on small critters.
Grouse is what I use 17HMR for here in Canada. They dont fly much, mostly freeze and rely on camouflage. 20-30 yards all you need is a consistently accurate rifle that can hit a 1/2" target (head shot). It is expensive yes. I can tolerate the price for hunting, I wouldnt spend too much time target shooting with that. That's where the 22LR is king
I use 22 CB Caps for rodent control in my garden...in town lot so I want something quiet and unobtrusive...ordanances against shooting in town. But what they don't know won't hurt them.
Being honest in all of my experiences the 22 lr an the 22 mag always perform the best at taking game. They may not have the speed and accuracy. But critters don't make it back into the hole and get lost. Sametime I am aeat hunter those 17s blow up to much meat on squirrels and rabbits. Plus they don't take groundhogs bobcats fox coyotes beavers without 2 shots. Then the pelts are ruined. The meat is also ruined enough we can't feed my friends bear dogs or his pet bear. Cuz we don't want them to get copper or lead cutting them inside. The 22s are an all around safer bet for how and what we do. Same time I'm sad to see you didn't say anything about the 5mm rim fire. Not comment here in the states but I own 4 of them and it's honestly a fun gun to shoot when I find ammo. It gives me that happy medium between a 22 long and a 22lr for how I've played with it.
Should make a video of the smaller centerfires, 22 hornet, 221 fireball, 218 bee.. For comparison, the 22 hornet has the same energy/velocity at 100 yards as the 22 wmr at muzzle. I'm a bit in love with the ugly ducking wich is the hornet, small caliber, works up to 150-200 yards depending on load and cheap (when reloading) as there is 9-13 grain powder depending on powder type.
@@brianhoxworth3881 isnt the 222 remmag almost exactly like the 223? case volume is like 5% smaller on the 223.. Never seen one live. Otoh 223 is quite uncommon in sweden, the 222 has reign supreme since it came.
Ron, you left out the Savage in the .17 WSM. I have one in a heavy barrel and it shoots 1/2” all day long. Mine is in stainless w/ a thumb hole stock and acccutrigger. Love it,
What would REALLY BE COOL, is to see a presentation on 3 cartridges rarely heard of, .218 Bee - .219 Wasp & .221 Rem FireBall...... Ron, wasn't there also a .217 ????? - something called the Zipper ????? Of course most of has heard of the .220 Swift,,, but it would be cool to learn more on they others........
.221 Fireball? Man, that brings me back to being a kid rifling through the Remington catalog and ogling their XP-100 space pistol that I knew I would never own since my dad only owned "utilitarian" firearms in "useful" calibers.
Gday Ron Great session Mate you are the first person that I have ever seen go the trouble and detail rimfire ammunition as you have I absolutely loved every second of your presentation you made it very interesting and clearly understood with your fact sheets , thank you very much for sharing your time and knowledge I have learned heaps from your videos since I have been following you , by the way if your ever in Australia I would love to take you hunting in our outback I’m sure you would enjoy that as much as I do , Steve from Australia .
I use CCI ammunition in all my rifles. I also use CCI 22 Mini Mags in my 10-22 Ruger with great results, but I never hear any mention of the round when others are being compared.
Thank you sir . 45 yrs old been shooting since I was a kid and always wondered how they got that shit into the rim to make it go bang . Love your videos
There was also a .22 CB cap and a .22 BB cap as well. They were meant for vermin and target practice in open spaces. A BB Cap was just a lead round ball seated over a much shortened case with only primer. The cartridge was almost as long as it was in diameter, about 1/4" x 1/4 ".
Switched to 17hmr years ago. Haven't lost any meat on squirrels or rabbits you are correct with head shots tiny hole on one side and the other side well it's gone. I am looking for the AR version in the 17 WSM. Great videos.
Fun fact. The 17hmr was originally developed by a rifle maker in Broken Hill Australia who would buy 22 mag rounds and pull them apart to neck down to 17. He contacted various cartridge makers trying to purchase 22 mag brass but they would not sell to him. After a while of testing he went to a few cartridge manufacturers to try and develop his new cartridge but none would offer any support. Lo and behold shortly after the 17 HMR was released by one of the company's. No recognition given.
He did it to control feral cats.hes My dad.
Wrong you made that up it was designed after a kid named not real put a 177. Pellet on top of a 22 mag with super glue and Hornady made them better.
You forgot about a bigger "17". What about a 17 Rem Fireball
@@scottgengler1986they’re a centrefire cartridge and this video is about rimfire only.
@@kelvinhill987417HMR is a rimfire
Thank you Ron, very good show. I have a Ruger 10-22 set up for 100 yards, and a Savage bolt in the .17. Love them both. Great cheap pinker with the wife and kids.
This channel is one more reason why I don't watch TV. Thanks, Ron!
Many thanks, Mnt Man!
Me too
Exactly. TV is all about indoctrination, manipulation, turning your mind off, taking from your bank account.
This is educational, gets one to thinking, passes on valuable knowledge, gets community to interact.
Lifted above - spot on about tv - I stopped watching back when the nightly news became blatant, dishonest propaganda. I miss tha days of Walter Cronkite, when news was reasonably accurate, reasonably honest, and would actually investigate government corruption.
@@deandeann1541 Certainly. Here's what happened: ua-cam.com/video/7wyji09rjTI/v-deo.html
I’m glad you mentioned the 5mm Remington at the end. I have one that was a wall hanger and dust collector for years until Aquila started making ammo again . The ammo isn’t cheap but I’ve been stocking up little by little in case it becomes unavailable again. I take the money out of my budget for my other bad habits. The only ones unhappy to see 5mm available again are the starlings that hang around my farm buildings.
my uncle has one, henhad it new ammo went away it came back it went away It came back. Its a nice cartridge but there arent enough guns to expect it to live on.
I came across a Remington 591m, still in the box! A Remington collector had passed away, the family was selling everything! They said it was worthless because of ammo availability, I bought it for 50.00 and the dust continued, I happened to be at a old gun shop going out of business, they had pretty much sold out of everything except for a 100 boxes of 32 grain hollow points, I got em all for five dollars a box! Those days are long gone, but I still have plenty of ammo, and love nor money can buy my 5mm!
Get those dirt bag starlings!
I was glad also! Mine was stolen, but hopefully I will find another someday...
@@dannywilsher4165 a couple of my guns were stolen last year. Nothing very valuable but only one was recovered and I am still p.o.‘ed about it. Hope you find another 5mm to replace your loss.
Dude, you got proof for everything you talk about, respect.
Great video Ron, I love the .22lr but for me with the added range and knock down power the 17 hmr is very impressive and my go to rifle for small game. The CCI 20gn gamepoint ammo is brilliant as it opens up but still drills holes. I have punched holes through 4mm mild steel plates with it.
Savage A17 shoots 17 hmr. Excellent reliability, accuracy in an auto loader. Kinda picky about what it shoots best but I’ve been getting 3/4 to 1 inch groups at 75 yards.
I’ve got the Marlin and although it has a smooth wood stock and absolutely no features it’s one of my favourite rifles. (No problems with it ever and I’ve fired 200rds in a day on more then one occasion. I have close to 3,000 flawless rounds out of it. The magazines however are soft and definitely shouldn’t be mishandled or dropped.
I have the savage A17 and love shooting it.
Pretty sure they make an A22 which is a 22 magnum to!
@@kennyorlikowski7704 Mmmmmmm, .22 magnum. 🤤
Can concur - picky on ammo. I’ll add that the trigger is way too heavy to be called an “accutrigger” but it is still an accurate rifle.
Again, another well done , fact based presentation Ron. I appreciate the way you weave in useful information such as the spinning of the cartridge to settle the priming compound. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Brock.
Love your analogy and breakdown of the small and large Rimfire cartridges. You definitely taught me a few things. Awesome, and thank you for sharing your knowledge and your passion.
I’ve shot every one of these cartridges, from 22 Short, ,22 Long Rifle, 22 Magnum, 17 HMR, & 17 WSM. In my opinion, if you’re looking for the best all-around rimfire cartridge, .22 Magnum is the one.
Try the .22 SSS it has a 60 grain projectile subsonic.
@@mac11380 If that’s the 22 LR cartridge with a 22 Short hull & a long 60 grain lead bullet, making it the length of a 22 LR, I have some of those. Hard hitting, from a pistol or rifle.
@@boomstick4054 That is the round I was talking about my friend.
@@mac11380 It’s amazing that they will cycle most semi automatic guns with such a low powder charge, due to the heavy projectile.
The 5mm Remington is an amazing round. I read that Remington wouldn't release the patent on the ammo. That's why it did not take off. I love my 5mm and all my rimfires. Thanks for a great video.
Knew a guy who had a Rem 5mm and swore by it. His biggest issue was locating a box of ammo before he shot up what he had on hand which wasn't much.
My cousin has one and loves it but finding ammo if I find ammo I buy it for him the only stuff I have found is Aguila
@@michaelthiboutot7944 They are amazing little rifles and rounds. Aguilla is it for ammo, unless you can find original Remington boxes.
If you're considering which way to go for small game, you won't go wrong with the .17 HMR. I have one and the accuracy and range is far beyond what the tiny round should be capable of. It's ability to humanely dispatch varmint is also exceptional.
Just got me a 17hmr yesterday it is awesome i also own a 22 mag as well I like it as well but I use my .223 Remington for coyotes but a 17hmr or 22 mag will do it!!
Especially with Remington magnum ammo. Great rifle, great caliber. Curious to see if I can take some small piglets. Nicer meat.
100 yds in that is@@danielworley5087
I own quite a few rimfires as well as a Savage A17 Heavy Barrel chambered in 17HMR. Absolutely love this little rifle, lights out accurate and have not had any repeating issues as long as I run quality ammo.
"Quite a few people"? Did anyone else catch that at 6:56? Ron said he shoots red fox, raccoon and quite a few people...... that's a hell of a sound bite if you cut it off right at the end of people ;-)
YES! LMFAO!
I literally just wrote this same comment haha. 🤣
glad i'm not the only one that heard that! ha
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I'm really surprised there isn't a lever action in that WSM with a box magazine. That oughta be a great combination...faster than a bolt gun without the issues of an autoloader.
Hi, I have a Savage Rifle in .17 HMR and Love it. Very flat shooting and accurate Round. I get 1/2” Groups at 100Yds all day long. Thanks Ron for all the information and the Chart. I really like all the details you go into about the development of the Cartridges, and even spinning the Casing to get the Powder to the edge of the Rim. I always learn a lot when I watch your Videos.
Savage has the A17 in the 17 HMR auto loader. Beautiful piece
Yes, that is a good one. Smart cycling system they came up with.
I second that. It’s a fun rifle, and so far very reliable.
Thank you Mr spomer, you my new favorite u tuber regards from South Africa 🇿🇦 great information videos👌
Thanks Jorge.
Thanks Ron, I really appreciate and enjoy your commentaries on different rifle ammunition, God bless 🤙🏽
Really enjoying these calibre reviews mate
About the 22WMR and the accuracy of the same. I have an Anshutz 1518 Mannlicher with the double set triggers. When I bought it in Germany, it was a pleasure to shoot, and very accurate. When I got it back to the World, I enjoyed shooting it with a Weaver B4 scope, seeing three-quarter inch, five shot groups. Then, I ran out of RWS ammo, and could not find any more. Tried Winchester (the inventer, remember?) Instant 3 inch, 3 shot groups. I put the gun away for almost 20 years. When CCI came out with the MaxiMag+V, it was magical. Now I have RWS and CCI. Moral: Ammunition choice is critical to be able to maximize accuracy. The WMR can be very accurate.
Thanks Ron. Rimfires let us shoot without the cost typically associated with centerfires making shooting much less of a financial burden.
5 mm Remington rimfire. Was a great rimfire. Most people never know existed. Love it.
PSA: 22 LR targets are not rated for 17 HMR
I have done the research
How much did that research cost you? Hopefully it wasn't a really nice target lol
And also good to know, I've been looking at getting a 17 and didn't think about that and I'd hate to go down range and all my steel has holes in it. Makes sense with the velocity, small diameter and high speed is how to defeat armor. Thanks for the PSA!
@@jaydunbar7538 I shoot AR450 and AR500 with my .17. It’s actually brutal on mild steel, even ballistic tip stuff. Btw ball does more damage on small targets and ballistic tip stuff well placed can take out bigger animals but placement is extremely important because I quartered a coyote and it tossed it’s guts out and broke it’s back. Absolutely terrible, and now I won’t use it for these animals again because it’s not reliably human in my hands for animals that size. .22-250 however gives me the option for quartering bigger animals like this.
17hmr shoots through coins at 100m and chair legs h,r,s steel
Yeah. I did the research too. I read the box.
Great info Ron, if you can’t have fun with a rimfire you don’t know how to have fun!!
You got that right!
Excellent presentation, Ron. You're a great speaker. I think rimfires are the most fun cartridges to shoot, although I don't get to do it often enough. Limited recoil, noise, but easy on the budget and super accurate.
Extremely friendly likeable personality
Extremely educational and informative
Thank you
MR RON SPOMER
Great video Ron, as an owner of many 22’s 22wmr 17 Hmr’s and a 17wsm i find my 17wsm savage b mag to be the most accurate with a close 2nd to my cz 455 night sky, I use my 17wsm for pretty much everything from gophers to coyotes, it’s my go to beaver gun, I use to believe nothing could beat a 22wmr for beaver head shots, my super mag proved me wrong this spring it does damage, I even stretched a few out just over 200 yards this spring across long ponds on calm nights, not sure why the WSM gets a bad wrap I’ve shot 1000’s of rounds through mine and it’s still accurate as hell
I have a cz 17 hmr 452 tack driver . It took 3 tries to get a 17wsm that would shoot accurate. It's a fluted barrell savage and l don't use the cz any more. Love my Wsm
I still have never seen a box of .17wsm, and I shoot .22wmr, so I’m in that section, often. Never once seen 50 let alone 1,000
Love my 17hmr.. very accurate and fun to shoot
Ron,
I have a Love/Hate relationship with your videos. I love them because they're so informative and well done. I hate them because every time I watch one of your videos I find myself wanting another gun.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
JT
Ron's a master of subliminal advertising. 😄
🤣🤣🤣@6:56 🤣🤣🤣 "....also on quite a few People..."🤣🤣🤣 Awesome Gaff lol...Love your Videos 😁 thanks for the Laugh 😁
I have a 17 mach 2 and absolutely love it. It's my go to squirrel/rabbit/small varmint rifle. It doesn't make much noise and it has great precision and reach. For a while I about ran out of ammo. I picked up every box I could find of it. Now I probably have enough to last the rest of my life! Either way, not a popular round, but it's a great one for its intended purpose in my opinion.
I bought 6 box's of hmr from gunbroker and for 3 of the box's are Mach 2
17 Mach 2 is an absolute awesome round. My go to for small game hunting.
17hm2 is my favorite rimfire round, great cartridge
Such a stellar round!
Ron, thank you very kindly for your videos. I've spent considerable time watching these as well as the old Legends stuff. Fan for sure. It'd sure be cool to watch you do some more shooting!
Yeah, if it's early season and you're working a hickory they're cutting on, subsonic 22lr is hard to beat for squirrels. Later on when you're stalking the woods, 17 Mach 2 is king. My Mach 2 CZ 452 Varmint is a tack driver.
You got that right!
Hunting alone, ranges,generally less than 50yds, shelved the .22lr and used an airgun (neighbors didn't notice 'wire chewing little pests getting light on the roof). Worked ok.
brother I LOVE your channel!!! It's fun taking a look back at the firearms of my youth and all the wonderful memories of hunting as a kid
I use the .17-WSM! I love that rifle and the cartridge! It has three different grains of bullets and they all perform with deadly accuracy out to 100-yards plus with ease... I bought a Savage 17-WSM heavy barrel, got rid of the factory stock, and got a nice Boyd Rifle Stock for it, and had it bedded lol! Went out west on a Gopher hunt and decimated them at 100 to 150 yards out with a Vortex Scope on it! I've whacked plenty of Coyotes, Badgers, Raccoons Opossum, Woodchucks, and squirrels .17-WSM the BOMB!
I enjoy your videos! Will subscribe!
I purchased a heavy barrel for my 10-22 years ago in Aguila 17. It feeds great out of the standard 22 mags. A little fussy to load the mags because the bullet is so small to hold onto. Shoots great!
Sub 1/2" groups at 50yrds.
Another great video....Love your comments on the Mach2...so glad that one made a comeback.....i dare to say it is the PERFECT squirrel gun....i'm not sure how it could be improved upon for anything squirrel sized
Couldn't agree more!
Since I have discovered your videos, I have been enjoying the education. Your presentations are full of interesting and useful information. Thank you!
Savage makes an autoloader for .17 hmr, buddy has one and has had success, didnt jam while I shot it, although I'm seeing mixed reviews online
I love my auto shoots fine
Really, I may need to get one. My favourite caliber is .22lr but .17hmr is a very close second. I love bigger stuff of course but tiny rounds are just so cool to me.
Savage A17, great with 20 grain pills. Love mine
@@hoglefish i emailed desert dog about my auto 17 but never heard from him. I heard he was sick. Maybe thats why
I swear to be watched 50 of your videos in the last couple months . Thanks for what you big guy.
Glad you like them!
.22 Magnum is an excellent round out to 125-150 yards. Beyond that range I will reach for a .223 or .22-250.
Thanks for all the information!!!! Love the channel. The 22lr or my 22mag is always my go to round when fishing or walking around in the woods with the hounds.
Great video ,thanks for the 5mm mention ,their great. I have rifles ina all the mentioned cal. And 17 HMR rules. That’s my opinion. I got stuck with one of the early savage rifles for the 17 WSM. So it’s hard to judge the cartridge till I get a rifle that works from a company that cares. Thanks for sharing.
I had reasonable perfoermance from the Ruger 77/17 in WSM when it first came out. Current users report the latest models are quite accurate. I've got my M85 Winchester/Browning single-shot shooting MOA and slightly better. Accurate 17 WSMs are out there!
I love my 5mm Remington rimfire magnum. And yes aquila is making the ammo again, they was also behind one of the older companies that made it years ago as well.
No love for the forgotten middle child, 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum? My Dad passed down a model 592M to me and it is a bonnie, beauty, and joy forever.
Why didn't the 5rem take off?
Rhubarb, only so much time and resources available, so I opted to not include the obsolete cartridges. I'm surprised no one has lambasted me for failing to cover the 44 Henry Flat, 32 Long Rifle, 56-50 Spencer and a dozen other old rimfires!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors oh and how dare you neglect the infamous 9mm Flobert! Haha. When my boots are on North American soil again, I wouldn't have an issue sending my rifle to an FFL near you for you to use and review, should you desire to do so.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, I don't think any of us are meaning to "lambast" you. I think we are just more of a curious lot and love to hear you talk about such things. Older obsolete cartages hold a special curiosity for a lot of us,..
@@RonSpomerOutdoors the 5mm isn't nearly as "obsolete" as the others you mentioned.
You can still buy 5mm ammo off the shelf.
Quickly becoming one my favorite channels. Ron really is THE straight shooter. Poly tip bullets really have allowed rimfires to come in to their own. The 22 WRF and 5mm Remington did not have superior bullets to make them special. Keep up the good work Ron!
Thanks Hillbilly. I intend to continue offering sound information and advice based on objective reality with but a smattering of personal bias sneaking it from time to time.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors if a little personal bias didn’t creep in now and then you wouldn’t be human.
I have a hm2 and absolutely love it.
I got 5 different 17m2 and I love to shoot grey and fox squirrels with them.
Should I have gotten the .17 HMR.
Sold my CZ mach2 when I couldnt find ammo anymore. Stopped using 22 and 17HMR when I started using my air rifles for squirrel hunting.
Dont forget about the 22 WRF that came before the 22 magnum! I love my winchester 1890 pump chambered for it, great squirrel round
Yes, I was waiting for him to mention the WRF. They fit and fire just fine in the .22 WMR chamber. They use a heavier bullet than the .WMR, I think around 45 grains.
Yep. Great little forgotten cartridge. 45 gr bullet running around 1550 fps. Great for small game n chuckin
I have a friend that got a ton of 22 WRF ammo from a old store that closed and had it in the back. He shot it in his 22 mag just fine and had a lot of fun with them. Free ammo is always fun though lol
Same as 22 Remington special
One of my favorite channels on youtube...wish we were neighbors
Oh this is gonna be a good one
Impeccable Contender!...and in the hands of someone who deserves the title: 'Rifleman'
Very interesting points on the Mach 2. There is almost nothing for guns or ammo locally though for the Mach 2 (Saskatchewan) and the HMR is BY FAR the more popular .17 round here.
I recently bought a CZ 457 in .22 WMR and boooooy does it ever shoot! Consistent 5 shot groups under a half inch at 100 yards with 30gr V-Max. The good old '22 mag' still holds her own I think. Excellent video as usual 👍 thanks for what you do!
CZ knows how to build a Rimfire rifle. They'll shoot just as fine as a bench gun in the same caliber.
Yup! My Anshutz likes the MaxiMag+V. One ragged hole 3-shot groups are common at 100M.
Thanks a lot that's the first time I've heard anyone talk about 17 wsw awesome man 👍
Savage A17 is amazing Auto Loader for 17HMR. very accurate.
LOL you did say that you used the 17hmr on "Raccoons and quite a few people" 6:54. Oops you let the cat out of the bag there, Ron!
I think the 17 WSM would've been better, ballistically and favorably, if it been a .204" bullet and called the 5mm WSM.
Absolutely- Winchester missed a great opportunity there. But bear in mind that this is the company that gave us the 325 WSM instead of a 338
A 20 cal version would be a great little cartridge. I think the .17 gets a bit too light on the bullet weight and 5mm would be perfect.
Thought this was about rim fire's
@@robertfandel9442 It is.
I had a 5mm in early 70 and loved it for ground hog . Ended up selling it when amo was stopped being made . Loved it .
I absolutely LOVE my 17 HMR (savage)its my most accurate rifle I own. Everyone i let shoot it falls in love and usually buys one. I loved it so much i bought a newer version of the same rifle the other day and cant wait to scope and shoot it. I wont break any world distance records of course. But i can get on a 8’ paper plate at 238 yds every single time. But 150 yards and in i can put most of the rounds in the same hole or next to it.
You should be able to do that with most high powered rifle rounds lol
Ron, you're my age, but you talk like my Grandfather when I was 11. I appreciate so much. Thank you
Good information as always Ron. Love your videos. Here in Sweden the ammo prices on the 17 hmr is ridiculous. Around 30 dollars for a box of 50 rounds. I think the prices for 6.5x55 is nearly the same. The 22lr is my choise but the 17 hmr is pretty popular on Grouse up in the mountains because the long distance an flatter trajectory. 22 wmr seams to be quite dead due to problems with finding the right ammo that will shoot good and tight at 80 yards and beyond, and ammo prices are little bit cheaper then 17hmr but not much.
@Chris Deaven 11-13 dollars sounds good, if we had those prices in Sweden for the 17hmr I would have got one. Seems to be quite devastating round on small critters.
Holy smokes , I'm rich . 😳
Grouse is what I use 17HMR for here in Canada. They dont fly much, mostly freeze and rely on camouflage. 20-30 yards all you need is a consistently accurate rifle that can hit a 1/2" target (head shot). It is expensive yes. I can tolerate the price for hunting, I wouldnt spend too much time target shooting with that. That's where the 22LR is king
I would love to know more about the 22 Hornet. Tia. Great knowledge.
I use 22 CB Caps for rodent control in my garden...in town lot so I want something quiet and unobtrusive...ordanances against shooting in town. But what they don't know won't hurt them.
In town also. Try some cci quiet. I get away with it.
I love talking about cartridge ballistics and I think you just talked me into getting the 22 WMR Upper for my AR.
Being honest in all of my experiences the 22 lr an the 22 mag always perform the best at taking game. They may not have the speed and accuracy. But critters don't make it back into the hole and get lost.
Sametime I am aeat hunter those 17s blow up to much meat on squirrels and rabbits. Plus they don't take groundhogs bobcats fox coyotes beavers without 2 shots. Then the pelts are ruined. The meat is also ruined enough we can't feed my friends bear dogs or his pet bear. Cuz we don't want them to get copper or lead cutting them inside. The 22s are an all around safer bet for how and what we do. Same time I'm sad to see you didn't say anything about the 5mm rim fire. Not comment here in the states but I own 4 of them and it's honestly a fun gun to shoot when I find ammo. It gives me that happy medium between a 22 long and a 22lr for how I've played with it.
Lots of info to digest in this rimfire overview Ron. I learned much about the 17 Mach2 / 17HMR / 17WSM.
Should make a video of the smaller centerfires, 22 hornet, 221 fireball, 218 bee..
For comparison, the 22 hornet has the same energy/velocity at 100 yards as the 22 wmr at muzzle.
I'm a bit in love with the ugly ducking wich is the hornet, small caliber, works up to 150-200 yards depending on load and cheap (when reloading) as there is 9-13 grain powder depending on powder type.
We'll get to those.
I’m with you on the Hornet. Really like that little cartridge.
Don't forget the 222 Remington magnum. The king of the. 22 line up. The 17 hornet would be nice to see.
@@brianhoxworth3881 isnt the 222 remmag almost exactly like the 223? case volume is like 5% smaller on the 223.. Never seen one live. Otoh 223 is quite uncommon in sweden, the 222 has reign supreme since it came.
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Ron, you left out the Savage in the .17 WSM. I have one in a heavy barrel and it shoots 1/2” all day long. Mine is in stainless w/ a thumb hole stock and acccutrigger. Love it,
What would REALLY BE COOL, is to see a presentation on 3 cartridges rarely heard of,
.218 Bee - .219 Wasp &
.221 Rem FireBall......
Ron, wasn't there also a
.217 ????? - something called the Zipper ????? Of course most of has heard of the
.220 Swift,,, but it would be cool to learn more on they others........
.221 Fireball? Man, that brings me back to being a kid rifling through the Remington catalog and ogling their XP-100 space pistol that I knew I would never own since my dad only owned "utilitarian" firearms in "useful" calibers.
Gday Ron
Great session Mate you are the first person that I have ever seen go the trouble and detail rimfire ammunition as you have I absolutely loved every second of your presentation you made it very interesting and clearly understood with your fact sheets , thank you very much for sharing your time and knowledge I have learned heaps from your videos since I have been following you , by the way if your ever in Australia I would love to take you hunting in our outback I’m sure you would enjoy that as much as I do , Steve from Australia .
Thanks Steve. I'll have to get back to Aus. again and soon!
You forgot about the 5 mm Remington
Watch the entire video. He mentions it toward the end of the video.
I use CCI ammunition in all my rifles. I also use CCI 22 Mini Mags in my 10-22 Ruger with great results, but I never hear any mention of the round when others are being compared.
Did not know there was a 17 WSM... I want to hear it some day. Btw... Uncle Ron, your rock wall is beautiful! Great Job!
Thank you Ron for the work you put in. Always enjoy the presentations.
Very welcome
Son and I love your videos. So Informative and you keep it fun. Thank you
Marlin in .17 HMR is my go-to bird hunting rifle (ruffed grouse). Love the rimfires! Just about everyone started with 22LR. Perfectly simple!
Thank you for teaching me about the .17HMR vs the .17HMR M2 because I knew there was a difference but nothing else.
Incredibly practical stuff!
Thank you sir . 45 yrs old been shooting since I was a kid and always wondered how they got that shit into the rim to make it go bang . Love your videos
I have a CZ .22 wmr and shoot Hornady v-max 30 gr. 2200 fps. Love it!
Great video Ron as always!
Always enjoyable to listen to Ron.
Right On Ron Thanks a Billion 😀👍🏼 Now I Need a .17 Rifle 😳
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Excellent marksmanship, Ron! Great work!
Love your videos and the always mentioned ethical matter, very impressed.
There was also a .22 CB cap and a .22 BB cap as well. They were meant for vermin and target practice in open spaces. A BB Cap was just a lead round ball seated over a much shortened case with only primer. The cartridge was almost as long as it was in diameter, about 1/4" x 1/4 ".
This is a excellent video....Great job Ron....Thanks my friend....!
One of my favorite times of the year is spring when the prairie dogs come out. My favorite cartridge to use on them is the .17 HMR.
Out standing thank you
The 17 Mach 2 is a great little cartridge ... accuracy is just spectacular.
Switched to 17hmr years ago. Haven't lost any meat on squirrels or rabbits you are correct with head shots tiny hole on one side and the other side well it's gone. I am looking for the AR version in the 17 WSM. Great videos.
The A 17 Savage is a really good auto , thanks for your knowledge
As usual, very informative and excellent video sir!
i really enjoy the videos of this guy alot of knowledge and a speaking Wikipedia about Ballistics,ammo and classic rifles just the best Channel
Watching this video during my lunch break, really made my day. What an awesome video. 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
6:56 "and quite a few people"😳😅😂